Bike Path Courtesy

[SHIBUMI]

The bike paths attract a lot of users. The speed racers, those that wear the bright colored nylon clothing need to slow down or go onto the roadways. The hummingbirds, electric bikers seem to be okay. The bottle bikers, the ones on regular bikes with a water bottle on the frame seems fine too. The recliner bikers, those that layout and pedal seem fine too. The walkers/ dog walkers and joggers are the main worry. A lot of them are listening to music and are unable to hear the bikers coming. The bikers need to give them plenty of warning to step out of the way. That is the courtesy. Bikers need to forewarn the walkers/joggers before they get to them, they are off in another world. The bikers need to get a louder horn for warning and not just a bike tinkler. And give them plenty of time to now you are coming thru. I would suggest a nice squeeze ball horn to protect all from incident. Walkers are an endangered species. Lets protect them and us.

[Carla B]

I think an air horn, like boaters use in the fog, might work.

[Oldragbagger]

The bike paths attract a lot of users. The speed racers, those that wear the bright colored nylon clothing need to slow down or go onto the roadways. The hummingbirds, electric bikers seem to be okay. The bottle bikers, the ones on regular bikes with a water bottle on the frame seems fine too. The recliner bikers, those that layout and pedal seem fine too. The walkers/ dog walkers and joggers are the main worry. A lot of them are listening to music and are unable to hear the bikers coming. The bikers need to give them plenty of warning to step out of the way. That is the courtesy. Bikers need to forewarn the walkers/joggers before they get to them, they are off in another world. The bikers need to get a louder horn for warning and not just a bike tinkler. And give them plenty of time to now you are coming thru. I would suggest a nice squeeze ball horn to protect all from incident. Walkers are an endangered species. Lets protect them and us.

We have issues from time to time with the walkers that are wearing earbuds and can’t hear a warning. We ring bells AND call out but honestly, with some of them you could set off a bomb and they wouldn’t hear it. I get the appeal of listening to music or your favorite podcast while walking. It’s relaxing. It would be very helpful to wear the earbud in just one ear, the ear that’s closest to the shoulder you’re walking next to.
That being said we try to watch their body language to see if they heard us, which may or may not help because some walkers never flinch regardless. All you can do is slow down, give them as much room as you can and watch for unexpected movements.

[tophcfa]

The bike paths attract a lot of users

I think the above quote sums up the issue. They are NOT bike paths.

[Stu from NYC]

Why are they in the car lanes in the first place? This morning a fellow peddling along at about 10 mph down Buena Vista in the right lane and tons of cars have to switch lanes to go around him

An accident waiting to happen

[fdpaq0580]

We have issues from time to time with the walkers that are wearing earbuds and can’t hear a warning. We ring bells AND call out but honestly, with some of them you could set off a bomb and they wouldn’t hear it. I get the appeal of listening to music or your favorite podcast while walking. It’s relaxing. It would be very helpful to wear the earbud in just one ear, the ear that’s closest to the shoulder you’re walking next to.
That being said we try to watch their body language to see if they heard us, which may or may not help because some walkers never flinch regardless. All you can do is slow down, give them as much room as you can and watch for unexpected movements.

(Just for fun. Nobody freak out.)
Compressed air horn. If no response, a warning shot across the bow. If still no response, employ cattle guard, like the old locomotives had.

[Velvet]

I think the above quote sums up the issue. They are NOT bike paths.

Yes, I was wondering, where could those “bike” paths be because I haven’t seen any in TV.

[Oldragbagger]

Yes, I was wondering, where could those “bike” paths be because I haven’t seen any in TV.

Excellent point. I believe they are more commonly referred to as pedestrian paths, although I am happy to be able to ride my bike on them. 😊

[Mortal1]

I think the above quote sums up the issue. They are NOT bike paths.

cycling paths as well. Where on earth do you get your information?

[Mortal1]

First off they are "cyclists". I know that seems trivial to some, but being precise is necessary to help prevent misunderstandings.

There are multi-modal paths(for everyone, but scooters, bikers and cars). Then there are walking/cycling paths. They are...wait for it...for people walking and biking. if you expect people who don't wear helmets, wear dark clothes to walk and cycle, on the phone while doing either then you've ignored the fact that they're people who have never learned how to apply common sense to the real world.

[Toymeister]

Loud Bicycle | Car horn for bikes (http://WWW.loudbicycle.com)

Having told you about this I have never sounded this horn for pedestrians, golf carts and cars most certainly.

For pedestrians I use a bike bell

[fdpaq0580]

AAAoooooGaa!

They will notice.

[ThirdDonE]

I ran, jogged and walked in an area with few sidewalks for years, but NEVER ONCE with my back to on coming traffic, cars, cycles or bikes. My mother taught me to be safe and to use common sense!!! Dad was more direct: “watch where you’re going and pay attention to what is coming!.Both pieces of wisdom I have found very helpful!

[Gerrir]

Multimodal paths are meant to be shared by carts, bikes, walkers, handicap mobiles, etc. Remember that in this senior community there are people who are deaf and cannot hear your warnings be it by horn or voice. Simply slow down, no one form of moving has dominance, share the path.

[Diane F]

I ran, jogged and walked in an area with few sidewalks for years, but NEVER ONCE with my back to on coming traffic, cars, cycles or bikes. My mother taught me to be safe and to use common sense!!! Dad was more direct: “watch where you’re going and pay attention to what is coming!.Both pieces of wisdom I have found very helpful!

This solves it! If you are walking towards oncoming bikes or carts, you will see them coming! I do bike and this is not always the case. Please walk facing the traffic for everyones safety!

[RICH1]

after traveling behind a couple of ladies dragging what seemed to resemble a couple sacks of potato’s, may I suggest the paths be widened. Sharing is caring

[Mrmean58]

Why are they in the car lanes in the first place? This morning a fellow peddling along at about 10 mph down Buena Vista in the right lane and tons of cars have to switch lanes to go around him

An accident waiting to happen

Because the motor vehicle code says bicyclist can ride on the roads. Plain and simple.

[LivingOnSunshine]

I think the above quote sums up the issue. They are NOT bike paths.
You’re correct, they aren’t bike paths - they’re multi-modal paths meant for everyone to use...cyclists, walkers, golf carts, etc. Being considerate and aware of others is the responsibility of ALL who use the paths.

[LivingOnSunshine]

Multimodal paths are meant to be shared by carts, bikes, walkers, handicap mobiles, etc. Remember that in this senior community there are people who are deaf and cannot hear your warnings be it by horn or voice. Simply slow down, no one form of moving has dominance, share the path.
Yes! We’ll said. 😊

[lauber]

We bicycle every morning. We have found that the main problem is no lights on bikes and walkers wearing dark clothing.

[Jdburns11]

The multi-modal paths (as has been mentioned) are used by carts, bikers, walkers - and sometimes other modes - in my opinion, ALL users have a mutual responsibility to use safely, communicate and respect other modes of transportation.

I can’t speak for all of them but bikers should not be wearing devices that preclude hearing noises or distract them from safely observing (hearing) or communicating with other participants on the trail. I would argue the same for walkers & golf carts.

In short, for all my thoughts would be a) wear something that people can see or reflective devices that increase visibility, b) slow down when around others, c) communicate via horn or verbally when passing in enough time to let people know your intentions at turns or other times, and d) follow generally accepted practices of walking near the edge of the path, passing only when safe to do so and width provides for safety. I use the paths in all modes of transport & try to respect all other modes of transport as I would hope to receive when using. This is not just a bike thing in my opinion.

Respectfully, DB

[Gunny2403]

In my experience, less than 20% of bikers yell a warning ( “passing on the left” ) or make a sound. I have less tolerance for them today because of this.

[Toymeister]

In my experience, less than 20% of bikers yell a warning ( “passing on the left” ) or make a sound. I have less tolerance for them today because of this.

Over a six week period I tried several means of signalling pedestrians on MMPs. Although the test isn't scientific I wager that I've thought more about this than most. Hands down this bell beat 'on your left' https://a.co/d/fS3lrWk

Second was this extra large ding dong bell. https://a.co/d/c36rPtH.

On your left does beat the cheap, tiny single tink bells that come on bikes when you buy them.

Bells are often acknowledged by a friendly wave of acknowledgement, far more than on your left.

My conclusion is pedestrians recognize bells as a signal whereas a voiced on your left is, well, just someone talking to you.

[JMintzer]

Multimodal paths are meant to be shared by carts, bikes, walkers, handicap mobiles, etc. Remember that in this senior community there are people who are deaf and cannot hear your warnings be it by horn or voice. Simply slow down, no one form of moving has dominance, share the path.

You’re correct, they aren’t bike paths - they’re multi-modal paths meant for everyone to use...cyclists, walkers, golf carts, etc. Being considerate and aware of others is the responsibility of ALL who use the paths.

Oh, please! With logic like that, we wouldn't have these repetitive "cyclists ruin everything", "it's the elitist golf carts who don't follow the rules, why are they in such a hurry, must be late for a t-time", no, "it's the walkers who walk three abreast who are dangerous", threads that pop up as regular as the love-bugs...

[JMintzer]

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[rrtjp]

I ran, jogged and walked in an area with few sidewalks for years, but NEVER ONCE with my back to on coming traffic, cars, cycles or bikes. My mother taught me to be safe and to use common sense!!! Dad was more direct: “watch where you’re going and pay attention to what is coming!.Both pieces of wisdom I have found very helpful!
Always walk facing oncoming traffic.

[sallyg]

The bike paths attract a lot of users. The speed racers, those that wear the bright colored nylon clothing need to slow down or go onto the roadways. The hummingbirds, electric bikers seem to be okay. The bottle bikers, the ones on regular bikes with a water bottle on the frame seems fine too. The recliner bikers, those that layout and pedal seem fine too. The walkers/ dog walkers and joggers are the main worry. A lot of them are listening to music and are unable to hear the bikers coming. The bikers need to give them plenty of warning to step out of the way. That is the courtesy. Bikers need to forewarn the walkers/joggers before they get to them, they are off in another world. The bikers need to get a louder horn for warning and not just a bike tinkler. And give them plenty of time to now you are coming thru. I would suggest a nice squeeze ball horn to protect all from incident. Walkers are an endangered species. Lets protect them and us.
Agree 100%. It is the courteous and safe thing to do. Please bikers, warn others of your approach and slow down.

[srswans]

Always walk facing oncoming traffic.

No.

Walk against motorized traffic (e.g., road, MMP).

Walk with non-motorized traffic (sidewalk, pathway).

This is especially important on blind corners.

[TNLAKEPANDA]

The bike paths attract a lot of users. The speed racers, those that wear the bright colored nylon clothing need to slow down or go onto the roadways. The hummingbirds, electric bikers seem to be okay. The bottle bikers, the ones on regular bikes with a water bottle on the frame seems fine too. The recliner bikers, those that layout and pedal seem fine too. The walkers/ dog walkers and joggers are the main worry. A lot of them are listening to music and are unable to hear the bikers coming. The bikers need to give them plenty of warning to step out of the way. That is the courtesy. Bikers need to forewarn the walkers/joggers before they get to them, they are off in another world. The bikers need to get a louder horn for warning and not just a bike tinkler. And give them plenty of time to now you are coming thru. I would suggest a nice squeeze ball horn to protect all from incident. Walkers are an endangered species. Lets protect them and us.

Everyone needs to be mindful of others. We are all adults not children!

[Stu from NYC]

Because the motor vehicle code says bicyclist can ride on the roads. Plain and simple.

Seems rather dangerous to me

[VApeople]

Everyone needs to be mindful of others.

Everyone needs to be mindful of their own safety.

We assess every situation and decide what is best for us.

[bark4me]

Good point. However, walkers listening to music or whatever should consider wearing only 1 ear bud not both. Not a sermon just a thought.

[ThirdOfFive]

Multimodal paths are meant to be shared by carts, bikes, walkers, handicap mobiles, etc. Remember that in this senior community there are people who are deaf and cannot hear your warnings be it by horn or voice. Simply slow down, no one form of moving has dominance, share the path.
Excellent point. The MMPs do NOT ban deaf people. But it is more than that. Many people here, as a natural result of aging, have lost some (or a lot) of their hearing, and with most hearing loss it is the ability to hear higher-pitched sounds that is lost first. Bells, whistles, etc. might work just fine for people with normal hearing but to expect everyone hear to be able to hear a bell or whistle is not realistic. If you're on anything with wheels approaching a walker, it is YOUR responsibility to proceed in a manner that minimizes the possibility of harm.

Yeah, I know that most people walking on the MMPs know enough to always walk on the left, toward oncoming traffic, but some don't and the number who don't will be increasing as the snowbird population swells in the coming months.

[bark4me]

Actually they are! They for pedestrians and bicyclists not golf cars.

[Fastskiguy]

We bicycle every morning. We have found that the main problem is no lights on bikes and walkers wearing dark clothing.

Just say no to being a darkwad!

Joe

[bark4me]

Exactly. That way you can at least see the hazard coming towards you.

[shut the front door]

In a least a half dozen threads, people keep talking about bikers warning pedestrians that they are coming up behind. If the pedestrian is following the law, they are walking AGAINST bikers and carts and there is no need to warn them. If they aren't following the law and get hit, that's on them.

[Sgt Ed]

Why are they in the car lanes in the first place? This morning a fellow peddling along at about 10 mph down Buena Vista in the right lane and tons of cars have to switch lanes to go around him

An accident waiting to happen
Bicycles are on the roadways because state laws say they can be. They have just as much right on the highway as autos and trucks do. Another thing to get know is bike riders WILL ride down the center of the lane, it's safer for them. Riding on the far right allows cars to pass without going to the passing lane and tend to run the bikes off the road. Just get over it, wait till clear to pass and do it correctly.

[Bill14564]

In a least a half dozen threads, people keep talking about bikers warning pedestrians that they are coming up behind. If the pedestrian is following the law, they are walking AGAINST bikers and carts and there is no need to warn them. If they aren't following the law and get hit, that's on them.

And this kind of misinformation is exactly why there are a half dozen threads.

[Larchap49]

Why are they in the car lanes in the first place? This morning a fellow peddling along at about 10 mph down Buena Vista in the right lane and tons of cars have to switch lanes to go around him

An accident waiting to happen

Forest Gump had a saying for that. "STUPID IS AS STUPID DOES"

[ohioshooter]

No.

Walk against motorized traffic (e.g., road, MMP).

Walk with non-motorized traffic (sidewalk, pathway).

This is especially important on blind corners.
I’ve been saying this since I arrived here, but people are going to do what they think is right or whatever they want.

[dgaffga]

Completly agree!!!!

[FranCook]

Vehicles on the right, walkers on left. Always has been the standard anywhere.

[coralway]

After reading through 3 pages of comments, one thing is clear.

Every man, and woman, for themselves. It’s the other guy who needs to be more aware.

[Bill14564]

Vehicles on the right, walkers on left. Always has been the standard anywhere.

On roads (highways). Also logically applies to MMPs since you have large, motorized vehicles which, while smaller than cars, can still leave a bruise.

On sidewalks and walking paths, walk on the right, run/pass on the left. Sometimes bicycles share those sidewalks and paths - they ride on the right and pass on the left as well.

[ohioshooter]

I just want to add, this is from the Ohio Erie Towpath 87 mile bike and hike trail. We walked and rode this beautiful trail for years.

Ohio & Erie Canalway – Trail & Preserve Etiquette (https://www.ohioanderiecanalway.com/explore/the-towpath-trail/trail-preserve-etiquette/)

[maistocars]

Yes, I was wondering, where could those “bike” paths be because I haven’t seen any in TV.
Bike paths are all south of 44, starting in Chitty Chatty. They go for miles and miles.

[DaleDivine]

Bike paths are all south of 44, starting in Chitty Chatty. They go for miles and miles.

BUTTT, they are not just for bikes. They're for walkers and joggers as well. Just not for Golf cars...
:bowdown::bowdown:

[Oldragbagger]

I just want to add, this is from the Ohio Erie Towpath 87 mile bike and hike trail. We walked and rode this beautiful trail for years.

Ohio & Erie Canalway – Trail & Preserve Etiquette (https://www.ohioanderiecanalway.com/explore/the-towpath-trail/trail-preserve-etiquette/)

Excellent link. Rules I have seen posted at many rail trail and community paths all over this country (we traveled by RV and biked extensively for several years) all have the same rules posted at the trailheads. I have shared this, not the exact same link, many times in other threads and yet there will always be those that will argue endlessly that they feel safer walking facing traffic on the paths.

Here is the problem……those pedestrian/bike paths are not nearly as wide as a cart path (pedestrians SHOULD be walking facing traffic whenever there are motorized vehicles present) so having traffic going in two different directions on both sides of a narrow path can lead to dangerous conditions when they converge on each other. A walker should never have to jump off into the dirt to be passed if things are working the way they should.

When we are riding our bikes and are preparing to pass we give a walker signals that we are preparing to pass. We have already determined that we can pass them safely without them having to do anything at all except to stay to the right and continue walking in a predictable manner. It’s also nice if they acknowledge our signal somehow to let us know they heard it. Then it’s on us to make sure we can get around them SAFELY without disrupting their walk.

[SGR720]

Excellent link. Rules I have seen posted at many rail trail and community paths all over this country (we traveled by RV and biked extensively for several years) all have the same rules posted at the trailheads. I have shared this, not the exact same link, many times in other threads and yet there will always be those that will argue endlessly that they feel safer walking facing traffic on the paths.

Here is the problem……those pedestrian/bike paths are not nearly as wide as a cart path (pedestrians SHOULD be walking facing traffic whenever there are motorized vehicles present) so having traffic going in two different directions on both sides of a narrow path can lead to dangerous conditions when they converge on each other. A walker should never have to jump off into the dirt to be passed if things are working the way they should.

When we are riding our bikes and are preparing to pass we give a walker signals that we are preparing to pass. We have already determined that we can pass them safely without them having to do anything at all except to stay to the right and continue walking in a predictable manner. It’s also nice if they acknowledge our signal somehow to let us know they heard it. Then it’s on us to make sure we can get around them SAFELY without disrupting their walk.

This is the statute on the books in Florida regarding pedestrians:

316.130 Pedestrians; traffic regulations.—
(1) A pedestrian shall obey the instructions of any official traffic control device specifically applicable to the pedestrian unless otherwise directed by a police officer.
(2) Pedestrians shall be subject to traffic control signals at intersections as provided in s. 316.075, but at all other places pedestrians shall be accorded the privileges and be subject to the restrictions stated in this chapter.
(3) Where sidewalks are provided, no pedestrian shall, unless required by other circumstances, walk along and upon the portion of a roadway paved for vehicular traffic.
(4) Where sidewalks are not provided, any pedestrian walking along and upon a highway shall, when practicable, walk only on the shoulder on the left side of the roadway in relation to the pedestrian’s direction of travel, facing traffic which may approach from the opposite direction.

I read this as I was taught walkers face oncoming traffic by walking on the left side of the roadway and bicycles and golf carts travel on the right side of the roadway. Therefore, bicycles should not have to alert walkers that they are approaching as the walkers should be facing them.

[Bill14564]

This is the statute on the books in Florida regarding pedestrians:

316.130 Pedestrians; traffic regulations.—
...
I read this as I was taught walkers face oncoming traffic by walking on the left side of the roadway and bicycles and golf carts travel on the right side of the roadway. Therefore, bicycles should not have to alert walkers that they are approaching as the walkers should be facing them.

Correct, on a ROADWAY. This thread is about walking/biking paths.

[ohioshooter]

This is the statute on the books in Florida regarding pedestrians:

316.130 Pedestrians; traffic regulations.—
(1) A pedestrian shall obey the instructions of any official traffic control device specifically applicable to the pedestrian unless otherwise directed by a police officer.
(2) Pedestrians shall be subject to traffic control signals at intersections as provided in s. 316.075, but at all other places pedestrians shall be accorded the privileges and be subject to the restrictions stated in this chapter.
(3) Where sidewalks are provided, no pedestrian shall, unless required by other circumstances, walk along and upon the portion of a roadway paved for vehicular traffic.
(4) Where sidewalks are not provided, any pedestrian walking along and upon a highway shall, when practicable, walk only on the shoulder on the left side of the roadway in relation to the pedestrian’s direction of travel, facing traffic which may approach from the opposite direction.

I read this as I was taught walkers face oncoming traffic by walking on the left side of the roadway and bicycles and golf carts travel on the right side of the roadway. Therefore, bicycles should not have to alert walkers that they are approaching as the walkers should be facing them.
Once again, this is not for a walk/bike trail. It says “roadway”.

[jimjamuser]

This solves it! If you are walking towards oncoming bikes or carts, you will see them coming! I do bike and this is not always the case. Please walk facing the traffic for everyones safety!
I would normally walk or jog facing the traffic on the MM trails. But, I would ALWAYS step into the grass when an oncoming bike or skater came by.

[Laker14]

OK, for all of you posters who insist that I should walk with traffic on the "bike-walking" paths, because that's what one is supposed to do when walking on paths closed to motorized traffic, I have two questions.

Are electric bikes motorized?
Are electric bikes allowed on the "bike-walkers" paths in TV? Hogeye for example.

[Bill14564]

OK, for all of you posters who insist that I should walk with traffic on the "bike-walking" paths, because that's what one is supposed to do when walking on paths closed to motorized traffic, I have two questions.

Are electric bikes motorized?
Are electric bikes allowed on the "bike-walkers" paths in TV? Hogeye for example.

Yep
An E-bike is considered a bike in the Villages (perhaps all of Florida, perhaps all the US) and is allowed wherever bicycles are allowed

And to the implied question: No, it doesn't change a thing.

[ohioshooter]

OK, for all of you posters who insist that I should walk with traffic on the "bike-walking" paths, because that's what one is supposed to do when walking on paths closed to motorized traffic, I have two questions.

Are electric bikes motorized?
Are electric bikes allowed on the "bike-walkers" paths in TV? Hogeye for example.
No, yes and yes. Are you curious or an anti ebiker?

[Laker14]

Yep
An E-bike is considered a bike in the Villages (perhaps all of Florida, perhaps all the US) and is allowed wherever bicycles are allowed

And to the implied question: No, it doesn't change a thing.

Well, it changes a lot to me. I don't want those things buzzing up behind me, unseen by me. Heck, I can hear a golf car a lot better than I can hear an e-bike, and some of them go just as fast, or faster, than some golf cars.

So, logically, I don't give a rat's a$$ about what is written on a document that doesn't acknowledge that fact. That document is not my concern. My concern is not getting hurt. And my best chance to avoid getting hurt is making sure I can see what's coming at me.

[Laker14]

No, yes and yes. Are you curious or an anti ebiker?

I am not an anti-biker. I rode for years.
I am in disagreement with any "rule" that says I should walk in the same direction as a motorized bike that might buzz by me at 15-20 mph.

[Oldragbagger]

This is the statute on the books in Florida regarding pedestrians:

316.130 Pedestrians; traffic regulations.—
(1) A pedestrian shall obey the instructions of any official traffic control device specifically applicable to the pedestrian unless otherwise directed by a police officer.
(2) Pedestrians shall be subject to traffic control signals at intersections as provided in s. 316.075, but at all other places pedestrians shall be accorded the privileges and be subject to the restrictions stated in this chapter.
(3) Where sidewalks are provided, no pedestrian shall, unless required by other circumstances, walk along and upon the portion of a roadway paved for vehicular traffic.
(4) Where sidewalks are not provided, any pedestrian walking along and upon a highway shall, when practicable, walk only on the shoulder on the left side of the roadway in relation to the pedestrian’s direction of travel, facing traffic which may approach from the opposite direction.

I read this as I was taught walkers face oncoming traffic by walking on the left side of the roadway and bicycles and golf carts travel on the right side of the roadway. Therefore, bicycles should not have to alert walkers that they are approaching as the walkers should be facing them.

Yes, this is correct for a road that contains vehicular traffic. As I stated in my post, walkers should be facing traffic when motorized vehicles are present. But no on a pedestrian/bike path.

[donnamayo]

Why are they in the car lanes in the first place? This morning a fellow peddling along at about 10 mph down Buena Vista in the right lane and tons of cars have to switch lanes to go around him

An accident waiting to happen

I had to switch lanes yesterday on Buena Vista to go around a golf cart

[rogerrice60]

Why are they in the car lanes in the first place? This morning a fellow peddling along at about 10 mph down Buena Vista in the right lane and tons of cars have to switch lanes to go around him

An accident waiting to happen

I totally agree with your assessment!
These bikers on the main roadway create a major hazard. They seem to have an attitude of entitlement; cars must switch lanes or put on brakes to keep from running over these clowns. Most times the bike/golf cart/pedestrian Path is 10 yds away

[glsatterlee]

Bikes are considered traffic, that is why they ride on the right side of the multimodal trails, that’s why they are allowed to ride on the road, because they are traffic.

Quoting from a letter posted in the district bulletin from the risk management team for pedestrian safety, it states if there is no sidewalk, walk facing traffic and as far from traffic as possible on both roads and multi modal paths. Another bullet point states, never assume a driver sees you make Eye contact with drivers as they approach to make sure you are seen .

From our far south area vice president Dave Fountaine states in the VHA letter: Another question that sometimes arises is which side of the multimodal path should pedestrians be on? Florida statute 316.130.4 states: where sidewalks are not provided, walking trails are not sidewalks because there is traffic on them also, any pedestrian walking along and upon a highway shall, when practical, walk only on the shoulder on the left side of the roadway in relation to the pedestrians direction of travel, facing traffic which may approach from the opposite direction. Sounds like pedestrian should walk on the left side of multimodal paths facing traffic.

Bikes are traffic, especially E bikes that can go 30 miles an hour with a 200 pound man on a 75 pound bike can kill you if they hit you from behind and knock you down and crack your skull open. Your life is in your own hands, walk on whichever side you want to. I will walk on the left.

[Laker14]

Yes, this is correct for a road that contains vehicular traffic. As I stated in my post, walkers should be facing traffic when motorized vehicles are present. But no on a pedestrian/bike path.

And if one considers a bike with an electric MOTOR, to be a MOTORIZED vehicle, then should walk facing traffic.

[Toymeister]

And if one considers a bike with an electric MOTOR, to be a MOTORIZED vehicle, then should walk facing traffic.

It does not matter if anyone 'considers' an ebike a motorized vehicle. What matters is what is in statute. Ebikes are specifically covered under the Federal Code of Regulations, you will find it under the the authority of the Consumer Product Safety Commission as (wait for it...)

Bicycles

Motor vehicles are under the Department of Transportation, it specifically excludes....

Bicycles.

[Oldragbagger]

[
And if one considers a bike with an electric MOTOR, to be a MOTORIZED vehicle, then should walk facing traffic.

That’s a real grey area and there has been so much debate about it over the years in the cycling community at large. There are three classes of electric bicycles and each of them could be a separate conversation.

Class I eBikes use a battery and electric motor to provide assistance at up to 20 MPH when the rider is pedaling (pedal assist). Class I eBikes can go faster than 20 MPH, for example, when going downhill, but the electric motor will stop providing assistance once 20 MPH is reached.

Class II eBikes work in two ways. First, the electric motor provides assistance at up to 20 MPH when the rider is pedaling, just like a Class I eBike. Second, Class II eBikes include a throttle, which can go up to 20 MPH without the rider pedaling.

Class III eBikes provide pedal assist at up to 28 MPH. These more powerful electric bicycles are capable of higher speeds than their Class I and Class II peers.

Most of the bikes we see are Class I or Class II. Both are limited to 20 mph and then the power assist cuts off. I ride a class I bike myself. My husband and I have both been avid riders for most of our lives but I had to get one two years ago due to muscle weakening from MS. I rarely ride over 13 mph unless I am going downhill or have the wind at my back. I try to use the lowest power setting I can manage with and still go at a pace that lets my husband have a decent ride on his regular road bike. I suspect in a senior community you might hear a lot of similar stories…..people who got a pedal assist bike just so they could keep riding in spite of decreasing strength, not because they want to be speed demons.

The way this issue is dealt with on most rail trails, greenways, and community paths is to set speed limits, 15 mph is common. That doesn’t mean every one follows it, but that is usually the standard on most trails we have been on. At 20 mph on the multi model path you’d barely be keeping up with the carts, but I believe that is too fast for the walking/biking trails. I have never had my bike up to 20 mph, ever.

[Laker14]

It does not matter if anyone 'considers' an ebike a motorized vehicle. What matters is what is in statute. Ebikes are specifically covered under the Federal Code of Regulations, you will find it under the the authority of the Consumer Product Safety Commission as (wait for it...)

Bicycles

Motor vehicles are under the Department of Transportation, it specifically excludes....

Bicycles.

nope. what matters is me taking care of me. And what matters is me NOT getting blindsided by a (MOTORIZED) e-bike. The statute is out of date. It will be changed eventually. In the meantime, I'll do my best to keep my body intact.

[Laker14]

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That’s a real grey area and there has been so much debate about it over the years in the cycling community at large. There are three classes of electric bicycles and each of them could be a separate conversation.

Class I eBikes use a battery and electric motor to provide assistance at up to 20 MPH when the rider is pedaling (pedal assist). Class I eBikes can go faster than 20 MPH, for example, when going downhill, but the electric motor will stop providing assistance once 20 MPH is reached.

Class II eBikes work in two ways. First, the electric motor provides assistance at up to 20 MPH when the rider is pedaling, just like a Class I eBike. Second, Class II eBikes include a throttle, which can go up to 20 MPH without the rider pedaling.

Class III eBikes provide pedal assist at up to 28 MPH. These more powerful electric bicycles are capable of higher speeds than their Class I and Class II peers.

Most of the bikes we see are Class I or Class II. Both are limited to 20 mph and then the power assist cuts off. I ride a class I bike myself. My husband and I have both been avid riders for most of our lives but I had to get one two years ago due to muscle weakening from MS. I rarely ride over 13 mph unless I am going downhill or have the wind at my back. I try to use the lowest power setting I can manage with and still go at a pace that lets my husband have a decent ride on his regular road bike. I suspect in a senior community you might hear a lot of similar stories…..people who got a pedal assist bike just so they could keep riding in spite of decreasing strength, not because they want to be speed demons.

The way this issue is dealt with on most rail trails, greenways, and community paths is to set speed limits, 15 mph is common. That doesn’t mean every one follows it, but that is usually the standard on most trails we have been on. At 20 mph on the multi model path you’d barely be keeping up with the carts, but I believe that is too fast for the walking/biking trails. I have never had my bike up to 20 mph, ever.

I appreciate your explanation. I totally agree that 15mph is too fast for the walker/bike paths. I know, and I think most people would agree, that if 20mph is in the realm of capability, there will be folks going 20mph.
I want to see them coming.

[ohioshooter]

nope. what matters is me taking care of me. And what matters is me NOT getting blindsided by a (MOTORIZED) e-bike. The statute is out of date. It will be changed eventually. In the meantime, I'll do my best to keep my body intact.

Or, you could just stay in doors.

[Laker14]

When I rode, and I once rode a lot, I would be much more comfortable with pedestrian traffic looking at me. I could tell if they were paying attention. I could tell if they saw me. If I made a move away from them, from 150 feet, I could tell if they acknowledged that and moved away from me. That equals safety, and comfort. On the other hand, if they were walking on the right, with traffic, with their back to me, I don't know if they know I exist. It's a guessing game. Obviously they can't see me. Can they hear me? Who knows? Will they be startled when I announce my presence? Likely they will be. It's a guessing game. Not safe. Not fun.

[Laker14]

nope. what matters is me taking care of me. And what matters is me NOT getting blindsided by a (MOTORIZED) e-bike. The statute is out of date. It will be changed eventually. In the meantime, I'll do my best to keep my body intact.

Or, you could just stay in doors.

that reply deserves a reply that would get me banned. Instead, I'll just acknowledge that you don't have a logical, sensible rebuttal and have consequently resorted to fatuity.

[JMintzer]

I totally agree with your assessment!
These bikers on the main roadway create a major hazard. They seem to have an attitude of entitlement; cars must switch lanes or put on brakes to keep from running over these clowns. Most times the bike/golf cart/pedestrian Path is 10 yds away

Just like cars slowing down to make a turn, or other traffic conditions that require you to actually pay attention and occasionally slow down?

[Laker14]

I totally agree with your assessment!
These bikers on the main roadway create a major hazard. They seem to have an attitude of entitlement; cars must switch lanes or put on brakes to keep from running over these clowns. Most times the bike/golf cart/pedestrian Path is 10 yds away

Just like cars slowing down to make a turn, or other traffic conditions that require you to actually pay attention and occasionally slow down?

rogerrice's post is a sample of the thinking and awareness that turned me into a former bicyclist.

[VApeople]

Most times the bike/golf cart/pedestrian Path is 10 yds away

Many bikers find the "bike/golf cart/pedestrian Path" to be more dangerous than riding in the highway.

[Davonu]

Many bikers find the "bike/golf cart/pedestrian Path" to be more dangerous than riding in the highway.
Not this biker.

I feel much safer on the MMPs. With a few easy precautions, I feel like I am in control of my own safety. Not so on the highway.

[fdpaq0580]

And if one considers a bike with an electric MOTOR, to be a MOTORIZED vehicle, then should walk facing traffic.

Statute or not, to me, a car with an electric motor is still a car. And a bicycle with a motor, gas or electric is a moped.

[Laker14]

Statute or not, to me, a car with an electric motor is still a car. And a bicycle with a motor, gas or electric is a moped.

It seems pretty straightforward to me.

[Toymeister]

Like most threads this has quickly degenerated into 'I FEEL this way, therefore it is fact' what gets overlooked is why. Ebikes are bicycles as it is statute regardless of how you feel, but a bit of introspection is useful.

Ebikes are useful in a retirement community for one reason, maximum heart rate.

Let's say you are a healthy 80 yo. Your max heart rate is 140 this places an aerobic heart rate 118 to 126.

At that rate the 80 yo would be cycling at 8 - 12 mph. What if that person wishes to cycle at 15 or travel further? For many, before ebikes, it simply wasn't possible.

This is one reason ebikes are popular in TV. The demographics of TV and the entirety of Florida will keep in the fabric of outdoor locomotion.

[Laker14]

Like most threads this has quickly degenerated into 'I FEEL this way, therefore it is fact' what gets overlooked is why. Ebikes are bicycles as it is statute regardless of how you feel, but a bit of introspection is useful.

Ebikes are useful in a retirement community for one reason, maximum heart rate.

Let's say you are a healthy 80 yo. Your max heart rate is 140 this places an aerobic heart rate 118 to 126.

At that rate the 80 yo would be cycling at 8 - 12 mph. What if that person wishes to cycle at 15 or travel further? For many, before ebikes, it simply wasn't possible.

This is one reason ebikes are popular in TV. The demographics of TV and the entirety of Florida will keep in the fabric of outdoor locomotion.

I have no problem with Ebikes. I agree with your science. I take issue with putting the statute ahead of common sense. Very often these statutes are hammered out without an awareness of the entirety of a situation.

Logically, if it makes sense to be walking facing traffic of motorized vehicles, such as electric golf carts, gasoline powered golf carts, and mopeds, then it makes sense to be facing traffic of electric motorized bicycles. They move just as fast. In fact, an argument can be made that it is even more important to walk facing Ebikes because they are so quiet you can't rely on your hearing to warn you of their arrival from your blind side.

It is more than just how one "FEELS" about Ebikes. It is just common sense. Elaborating on how Ebikes affect the heart rate doesn't change the common sense. It makes no sense to have these quiet, heavy, and fast machines sneaking up on people from behind. It may well be the statute to have this situation, but the statute isn't going to help me if I get nailed by one.
My personal responsibility to keeping myself safe exceeds my willingness to abide by a statute that endangers me.

[Laker14]

Frankly, I'm not sure Ebikes are any more appropriate on the "walking and biking" trails than mopeds or golf cars. While some riders use Ebikes as an assist to leisurely pedaling, many, if not most, use them more like mopeds than bicycles.

Most of the true bicycles I see on the trails are not racing around at 12-17 mph. Most cyclists I know, if they wish to go that fast, prefer not to be dodging the pedestrian traffic, and slower bike traffic that confronts them on the trails. Also, they want a longer haul than the trail affords them, so typically they will be on the open roads. Most of these cyclists don't really like the MMPs either, for the same reason with the additional hazard of golf cars.

The Ebikers are another matter. It's too easy and fun to zip around at 15mph on an Ebike, and that's what most of them do. Most of them are not keeping their heart rate in the aerobic zone. They are barely moving their legs, and enjoying the breeze and the speed.

I don't think Ebikes are going away, and I don't expect them to banned from the trails, unless there are a rash of nasty accidents that result in an outcry from the population for them to be banned. I think having them mingling with pedestrian traffic makes this a possibility, we'll see. But in the meantime, I'll walk facing traffic. I encourage others to do so, as well. You'll be safer, regardless of what the statutes or regulations might say.

[Jerry F2]

Still can not understand people walking with their back to the traffic

[Fltpkr]

On roads (highways). Also logically applies to MMPs since you have large, motorized vehicles which, while smaller than cars, can still leave a bruise.

On sidewalks and walking paths, walk on the right, run/pass on the left. Sometimes bicycles share those sidewalks and paths - they ride on the right and pass on the left as well.

Agree!

[Toymeister]

My personal responsibility to keeping myself safe exceeds my willingness to abide by a statute that endangers me.

Statutes do not endanger you, people's behavior does. That said no one should expect a statute to be protect them when what they want runs counter to the same statute which allows it.

Essentially, we are saying the same thing.

[golfing eagles]

Just like cars slowing down to make a turn, or other traffic conditions that require you to actually pay attention and occasionally slow down?

And don't forget those idiotic "street legal" golf carts

[collie1228]

I ride the multimode paths daily on my bicycle. I have a speedometer and always keep my speed under 10MPH. I get aggravated by people walking on the wrong side (not facing traffic), people walking side by side (they seem to be entitled to their half of the middle, I think), walkers with earbuds in their ears, and the occasional ebike (moped) traveling at 20MPH or more, oblivious to their surroundings. I never have any problem with golf carts, other than the rare occasion of a tailgater. Just slow it down, walk on the correct side, put only one earbud in so you can hear what's around you, and we'll all get along just fine.

[Dantes]

Do you every see them stop at the gates or stop signs Not!!!!!

[JMintzer]

Not this biker.

I feel much safer on the MMPs. With a few easy precautions, I feel like I am in control of my own safety. Not so on the highway.

Then for you, the solution is to ride on the MMPs... Others apparently feel differently...

[Laker14]

On roads (highways). Also logically applies to MMPs since you have large, motorized vehicles which, while smaller than cars, can still leave a bruise.

On sidewalks and walking paths, walk on the right, run/pass on the left. Sometimes bicycles share those sidewalks and paths - they ride on the right and pass on the left as well.

Agree!

Well, if you folks are comfortable walking with your backs to Ebikes traveling at 15-20 mph, driven by old people, approaching you from your blind side, have at it. Good luck, and I hope you don't get creamed.

[MX rider]

My wife and I ride our mountain bikes on the MMP. I feel safer than on the road.
When we go out for a run we use the sidewalks when we can, Otherwise always walk/run against traffic.
Bikes shoud go with traffic,

[ohioshooter]

I’m really glad that walking or riding my bike isn’t scary.

[Laker14]

I’m really glad that walking or riding my bike isn’t scary.

With a nod to our Good Buddy, JMintzer...

[Oldragbagger]

I keep seeing posts claiming that folks don’t feel safe with all those Ebikes out there going 15-20 mph. Honestly, where are you guys seeing all those speed demons on two wheels? I ride a pedal assisted (class 1) bike and rarely exceed 12 mph. We ride almost every day and to all different areas. I see many pedal assisted bikes on the trail and usually going my speed, sometimes slightly faster, but often slower. Cyclists on the pedestrian/bike trails seem to usually be riding at an even more relaxed pace than on the MMPs.

[Laker14]

I keep seeing posts claiming that folks don’t feel safe with all those Ebikes out there going 15-20 mph. Honestly, where are you guys seeing all those speed demons on two wheels? I ride a pedal assisted (class 1) bike and rarely exceed 12 mph. We ride almost every day and to all different areas. I see many pedal assisted bikes on the trail and usually going my speed, sometimes slightly faster, but often slower. Cyclists on the pedestrian/bike trails seem to usually be riding at an even more relaxed pace than on the MMPs.

I agree with you that most bicyclists on the trails are moving at a more relaxed pace than on the MMPs, and I'd say that most bicyclists on the MMPs are moving at a more relaxed pace than on the open roads.
It may very well be that on the "trails" most Ebikes are moving at your pace, or slightly faster, or slightly slower. However, even at 10-15mph, I'd still like to see you coming.

[charmed59]

I’d been riding with a few neighbor ladies for a month or two before I realized their bikes weren’t cruisers like mine, but were e bikes. They just always pedaling too. I think the e bikes might be more prevalent in the southern areas, as up here near Sumter it is mostly road bikes in groups on the roads and cruisers or mountain bikes on the MMPs.

[JMintzer]

With a nod to our Good Buddy, JMintzer...

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[Laker14]

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