In case you missed it

[shut the front door]

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Twitter removes, then restores Florida Surgeon General's warning tweet (https://www.gulf-insider.com/twitter-removes-then-restores-florida-surgeon-generals-warning-tweet/)

Guidance for Mrna COVID-19 Vaccine | Florida Department of Health (https://www.floridahealth.gov/newsroom/2022/10/20220512-guidance-mrna-covid19-vaccine.pr.html)

[Mortal1]

Please explain why I should even care. Can I affect it? Can I solve it? Nope. Got enough issues without someone trying to add more.

If folks(good folks mind you)find something that bothers them that can't be affected by others please let it go. If you've nothing else to do but post things that cause angst to anyone you aren't doing them any favors. Thank you.

STAY AWAY FROM TWITTER!!!!

[Altavia]

Thanks for the info, very interesting.

[Djean1981]

Seems like everything about the covid vax was fake.

[Altavia]

Seems like everything about the covid vax was fake.

Well - maybe it is because everything evolved.

As cited in the publication Florida Health Dept. referenced, COVID is no longer the threat it was.

According to the publication, due to new therapies, natural immunity and vaccines, the risk of COVID infection today is so low the MRNA vaccines may have more Myocarditis risk to that age group than the disease.

There now are more traditional non MRNA vaccines that may be more appropriate to that risk group.

Things change.

[Cobullymom]

Good for our Surgeon General for speaking up. And shame on Twitter, the censoring is unbelievable.

[oneclickplus]

Please explain why I should even care. Can I affect it? Can I solve it? Nope. Got enough issues without someone trying to add more.

If folks(good folks mind you)find something that bothers them that can't be affected by others please let it go. If you've nothing else to do but post things that cause angst to anyone you aren't doing them any favors. Thank you.

STAY AWAY FROM TWITTER!!!!

Most of the news falls into the category you define. I guess you never read the news or watch television news?

[Miekies]

Well - maybe it is because everything evolved.

As cited in the publication Florida Health Dept. referenced, COVID is no longer the threat it was.

According to the publication, due to new therapies, natural immunity and vaccines, the risk of COVID infection today is so low the MRNA vaccines may have more Myocarditis risk to that age group than the disease.

There now are more traditional non MRNA vaccines that may be more appropriate to that risk group.

Things change.

Actually they never did a comprehensive study to weigh the risks, especially in young people. There was never a great risk for children or healthy (especially young adults). It's always been the elderly and immune compromised. The point of the article was the jab is a higher risk than covid, always has been. There is nothing wrong for high risk people to take but the young and healthy were never at great risk. And please don't point out the exception to the rule of the 20 year old that died because I know just as many elderly with health issues that lived through covid.

[MandoMan]

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Twitter removes, then restores Florida Surgeon General's warning tweet (https://www.gulf-insider.com/twitter-removes-then-restores-florida-surgeon-generals-warning-tweet/)

Guidance for Mrna COVID-19 Vaccine | Florida Department of Health (https://www.floridahealth.gov/newsroom/2022/10/20220512-guidance-mrna-covid19-vaccine.pr.html)

This is odd. The Florida Surgeon General “can’t be silent about the truth” that there is an increased risk of cardiac problems among men aged 18-39 during the four weeks after they get an mRNA COVID vaccination. This is a bit like the calumny about The Villages having a high rate of STIs, when it was based on an increase of a much smaller number than in the surrounding areas.

To make sense of this, you have to read the eight page unpublished anonymous paper linked at the bottom of the second link above. In this case the number in this age group was increased a little, but it was still less than one tenth the number of cardiac problems in the 40-59 age group, which was not considered unusual. Again: cardiac problems are unusual among 18-39 year old men, and if they go up slightly, they are still only a tenth as many as 40-59 year old men and perhaps 3% as common as among men 60 and older.

The study also says this, which the Florida Surgeon General conveniently failed to mention: “Risk for both all-cause and cardiac-related deaths was substantially higher 28 days following COVID-19 infection. The risk associated with mRNA vaccination should be weighed against the risk associated with COVID-19 infection.” What does that mean? Yes, men in that age group have a very slightly increased chance of cardiac problems for a month after getting vaccinated, but if they DO get COVID, even a mild case, their chances are much higher!

Do your homework! Don’t just grab a headline and assume that it is true. In this case, the Florida Surgeon General is publishing something true but not very significant while failing to mention things in the same study that are much more significant.
1) There is a statistically significant risk increase of cardiac-related death only for one month among one group that has very little cardiac-related death—not for the rest of us.
2) The risk for that group and all others is substantially higher if they get COVID than if they get vaccinated.

I’m disappointed that the Florida Surgeon General would do this. How many lives will be lost because of his stunt?

[rsmurano]

Most of the news falls into the category you define. I guess you never read the news or watch television news?

Most of the so called news was fake news coming from cnn/msnbc and others. There was so much corruption going on so hospitals and health centers can make more $$$. Look at California and Oregon today, they are still pushing the Covid theatrics.

[srswans]

Please explain why I should even care. Can I affect it? Can I solve it? Nope. Got enough issues without someone trying to add more.

If folks(good folks mind you)find something that bothers them that can't be affected by others please let it go. If you've nothing else to do but post things that cause angst to anyone you aren't doing them any favors. Thank you.

STAY AWAY FROM TWITTER!!!!

Why should we care? That’s easy - so we can vote effectively at each election.

Twitter censorship is a problem because it makes finding the truth more difficult.

[Halbraun]

Why should we care? That’s easy - so we can vote effectively at each election.

Twitter censorship is a problem because it makes finding the truth more difficult.

Twitter (Facebook, social media in general) is NOT news…. It is the Wild West where you can say pretty much anything you want. Much like forums :-)

If you make your voting decisions based on Social Media.. well, just look around.

[Vermilion Villager]

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Twitter removes, then restores Florida Surgeon General's warning tweet (https://www.gulf-insider.com/twitter-removes-then-restores-florida-surgeon-generals-warning-tweet/)

Guidance for Mrna COVID-19 Vaccine | Florida Department of Health (https://www.floridahealth.gov/newsroom/2022/10/20220512-guidance-mrna-covid19-vaccine.pr.html)
Florida and Surgeon General......Boy is that a contradiction of terms!

[blueash]

The statement from the state's surgeon general was based on unpublished data internal to the health department. Only broad numbers have been made available. But others have reviewed the methodology he used to reach his errant conclusion.
Serious flaws have been identified including

1. There were very few deaths in the age group and there was absolutely no consideration of how many lives were saved and health protected by getting a vaccine.

Example: I review all drownings while inside an automobile an extremely rare evet. I discover that, oh lordy, that people wearing seat belts are more likely to die than those who were unbelted. Then I announce to great fanfare, that as an official government authority on staying alive, you should not wear a seat belt. I have failed to include in my analysis any other benefit vs risk that a seat belt might provide. This is exactly what the surgeon general did.

2. The surgeon general failed to have the medical records of these few cases of cardiac deaths examined. Were these people with pre-existing cardiac conditions? If so his recommendation might have been to be cautious about getting the vaccine if you have pre-existing disease A, B, or C not a general statement. Again even if you are known to have cardiomyopathy... would being vaccinated prevent more deaths than it causes? That is very important and ignored by the surgeon general.

You can find fairly detailed discussions online. It is shameful that our chief medical officer has carelessly made a suggestion that is not science based as his data is incomplete and his analysis in failing to consider any benefit to offset any risk is deeply, profoundly, dangerous to the public health.

The actual paper, unlike the surgeon general's tweet, is available

HERE (https://floridahealthcovid19.gov/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/20221007-guidance-mrna-covid19-vaccines-analysis.pdf)
In that paper you will read lots of precautionary comments about how they know the data is flawed
"this method has been used to assess risk of death following COVID-19 vaccination,
it violates the assumption that an event does not affect subsequent exposure (for mRNA vaccines), which may introduce bias."
They admit they do not know why the patient died
This study cannot determine the causative nature of a participant’s death. ..., the underlying cause of death may not be cardiac-related.



There are many similar statements, cautions about interpretation of the methods and about drawing any conclusion from what they had available to date.


Consider the difference in these two statements:

A. We have found a small increased risk of cardiac death in the age range 18 to 39 in males shortly after mRNA vaccines. We are doing more investigation of these cases and will provide further information transparently as well as risk vs benefit for that population segment

B. We have found a small increased risk of death in the age range 18 to 39 in males shortly after mRNA vaccines. The Florida Health Dept does not recommend you get the shot.

[Altavia]

Thanks for weighing in Blueash, much appreciated.

[Two Bills]

Why should we care? That’s easy - so we can vote effectively at each election.

Twitter censorship is a problem because it makes finding the truth more difficult.

Surely removing the word 'censorship' from that sentence would give the statement a better meaning!

[JMintzer]

Twitter (Facebook, social media in general) is NOT news…. It is the Wild West where you can say pretty much anything you want. Much like forums :-)

If you make your voting decisions based on Social Media.. well, just look around.

Not really. You will be banned (sometimes permanently) for saying things that upset those who hold the keys to the castle...

[Altavia]

Myocarditis in SARS-CoV-2 infection vs. COVID-19 vaccination: A systematic review and meta-analysis

Myocarditis in SARS-CoV-2 infection vs. COVID-19 vaccination: A systematic review and meta-analysis - PMC (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9467278/)


Background

This study aimed to compare the incidence of myocarditis in COVID-19 vaccines and in severe acute respiratory syndrome-coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) infection groups.

Methods

Electronic databases (MEDLINE, Scopus, Cochrane Central Register of Controlled Trials, Cochrane Database of Systematic Reviews, and the WHO Global Literature on Coronavirus Disease) and trial registries were searched up to May 2022, for randomized controlled trials and observational cohort studies reporting the risk of myocarditis associated with the COVID-19 vaccines and the risk associated with SARS-CoV-2 infection.

We estimated the effect of COVID-19 infection and vaccines on rates of myocarditis by random-effects meta-analyses using the generic inverse variance method. Meta-regression analyses were conducted to assess the effect of sex and age on the incidence of myocarditis.

Results

We identified 22 eligible studies consisting of 55.5 million vaccinated cohorts and 2.5 million in the infection cohort.

The median age was 49 years (interquartile range (IQR): 38–56), and 49% (IQR: 43 to 52%) were men. Of patients diagnosed with myocarditis (in both vaccination and COVID-19 cohort) 1.07% were hospitalized and 0.015% died. The relative risk (RR) for myocarditis was more than seven times higher in the infection group than in the vaccination group [RR: 15 (95% CI: 11.09–19.81, infection group] and RR: 2 (95% CI: 1.44-2.65, vaccine group).

Of patients who developed myocarditis after receiving the vaccine or having the infection, 61% (IQR: 39–87%) were men. Meta-regression analysis indicated that men and younger populations had a higher risk of myocarditis.

A slow decline in the rates of myocarditis was observed as a function of time from vaccination. The risk of bias was low.

Conclusion

In this systematic review and meta-analysis, we found that the risk of myocarditis is more than seven fold higher in persons who were infected with the SARS-CoV-2 than in those who received the vaccine.

These findings support the continued use of mRNA COVID-19 vaccines among all eligible persons per CDC and WHO recommendations.

...

[justjim]

Twitter (Facebook, social media in general) is NOT news…. It is the Wild West where you can say pretty much anything you want. Much like forums :-)

If you make your voting decisions based on Social Media.. well, just look around.

You are spot on regarding social media. Opinion Cable Television is a close second as where you don’t want to go to get the facts.

[Pairadocs]

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/members/shut-the-front-door-115064/albums/pics/9626-fl-surgeon-gen.png

Twitter removes, then restores Florida Surgeon General's warning tweet (https://www.gulf-insider.com/twitter-removes-then-restores-florida-surgeon-generals-warning-tweet/)

Guidance for Mrna COVID-19 Vaccine | Florida Department of Health (https://www.floridahealth.gov/newsroom/2022/10/20220512-guidance-mrna-covid19-vaccine.pr.html)

Thanks for the post, yes, might have missed it. Yet, we know how every fortunate we are to live in a state where at least free speech is still at least tolerated ! I count my blessings everyday... still have relatives living under very severe conditions: tax, speech, covid, education indoctrination, crime, violence, etc. Yes, the villages is getting more dangerous everyday (won't see it in the crime blotter of the daily paper though), but still, much to be thankful for !

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

This is odd. The Florida Surgeon General “can’t be silent about the truth” that there is an increased risk of cardiac problems among men aged 18-39 during the four weeks after they get an mRNA COVID vaccination. This is a bit like the calumny about The Villages having a high rate of STIs, when it was based on an increase of a much smaller number than in the surrounding areas.

To make sense of this, you have to read the eight page unpublished anonymous paper linked at the bottom of the second link above. In this case the number in this age group was increased a little, but it was still less than one tenth the number of cardiac problems in the 40-59 age group, which was not considered unusual. Again: cardiac problems are unusual among 18-39 year old men, and if they go up slightly, they are still only a tenth as many as 40-59 year old men and perhaps 3% as common as among men 60 and older.

The study also says this, which the Florida Surgeon General conveniently failed to mention: “Risk for both all-cause and cardiac-related deaths was substantially higher 28 days following COVID-19 infection. The risk associated with mRNA vaccination should be weighed against the risk associated with COVID-19 infection.” What does that mean? Yes, men in that age group have a very slightly increased chance of cardiac problems for a month after getting vaccinated, but if they DO get COVID, even a mild case, their chances are much higher!

Do your homework! Don’t just grab a headline and assume that it is true. In this case, the Florida Surgeon General is publishing something true but not very significant while failing to mention things in the same study that are much more significant.
1) There is a statistically significant risk increase of cardiac-related death only for one month among one group that has very little cardiac-related death—not for the rest of us.
2) The risk for that group and all others is substantially higher if they get COVID than if they get vaccinated.

I’m disappointed that the Florida Surgeon General would do this. How many lives will be lost because of his stunt?

Whatever lives are attached to people who believe whatever they read on the internet without checking the resources. Thoughts and prayers - whatevs.

[Bogie Shooter]

And off we go……….