What do you think happens when you die?

[Velvet]

The Creator does not have to be an old man, to me, it is more like a force, electro-magnetic, or gravity - but different as this “force” emanates goodness and holiness. We were made in His image the good books say, not the other way around ie. that He is created in our image. Therefore, there are probably some human properties in this “force”. Paleontology is quite compatible with my understanding. I suspect that our human definition of “good” is quite different from what the Creator means by it. We tend to look at “good” in terms of, is it good for us (as humans?)

[chrissy2231]

You can buy "Seat of the Soul" by Gary Zukav on Amazon under $13. That book explains everything.

[chrissy2231]

Karma at its finest!

[chrissy2231]

wow!

[chrissy2231]

Belief is important. Karma is waiting for the cruel and evil people.

[chrissy2231]

For me, I combine spirituality (not structured religion) and science because they support each other. Physics states energy cannot be created, or destroyed, but only change molecular structure.

Energy is all that is…all matter in the universe is made from energy. Energy has always been, and will always be. Energy can’t be destroyed. Energy can’t die. Thereby, since I am made of matter (atoms, molecules, quarks etc), then when mu body stops functioning, the energy that made me is still there. I see collectively, all that is, as….God. God being an intelligent energy. The soul, is a small aspect of God, that collective divine intelligent energy that has always been, and will always be….because “energy cannot be created or destroyed…”

To answer your question my consciousness (also energy) will continue past the demise of the vessel it’s temporarily housed in.
Organized religion is the worst. Everyone needs a belief. Even Atheism is a belief. Reincarnation makes the most sense to me. We are all learning life lessons while we're here. The ones we haven't achieved will be present in next lifetime.

[chrissy2231]

I hope wherever I go , I can get a great slice of pizza
Hurry up and go to "RAYS" in NYC. It's "almost" safe there.

[chrissy2231]

So well written and a WOW. I believe you.

I believe in Reincarnation which makes the most sense to me. And I believe in God. I'm reading "Seat of the Soul" by Gary Zukav on Amazon under $13. web site seatofthesoul.com

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[chrissy2231]

… some say ‘don’t talk religion’. By my faith I am commanded to by the Lord Jesus, and I do it boldly!

Matthew 28: 19-20

[19] Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: [20] Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

… I honestly pray that God open the hearts & minds of people!
Everyone has Life Lessons to learn on Earth. Some are just evil or evil cuz of childhood issues. Payback is Karma. Then I believe you reincarnate to work on the Life Lessons you didn't finish. Makes the most sense to me.

[chrissy2231]

I'm not religious, but I feel sorry for God. He is the scapegoat for whatever followers of whatever religion want to promote. Just once I would love to see after a hurricane a reported interviewing a survivor the person says, thank God he spared my life, but look what he did to my house I'm homeless. Please, whatever you do don't tell me he's testing us. If he is powerful to cause a hurricane, he should be able to go to Staples and print out some type of written exams.
It's all Karma.

[chrissy2231]

I was taught in Catholic catechism as a child........
God is good.
God is all loving.
God is all knowing.
God is all powerful.

Yet, there is childhood disease that kills children, there are natural disasters that cause death and devastation and so forth. What I was taught in catechism can not possibly be accurate about a God that allows the incomprehensible to occur.

As a young teenager, I never reached the agnostic stage. I dove right into the atheist stage when I realized everything I was taught as a child was just not logical.
People are fearful of thinking on their own and outside the box. You would enjoy "Humanist" Club at Odell Rec Ctr. I was there past Sunday. I believe in Reincarnation. Many members have different beliefs. The best thing is all of us were accepted by the Atheist speaker and facilitator.

[chrissy2231]

The Creator does not have to be an old man, to me, it is more like a force, electro-magnetic, or gravity - but different as this “force” emanates goodness and holiness. We were made in His image the good books say, not the other way around ie. that He is created in our image. Therefore, there are probably some human properties in this “force”. Paleontology is quite compatible with my understanding. I suspect that our human definition of “good” is quite different from what the Creator means by it. We tend to look at “good” in terms of, is it good for us (as humans?)
What's needed good for mankind, not just the individual. What goes on in the world is an outer reflection of what goes on inside the heads of the population.

[Velvet]

What's needed good for mankind, not just the individual. What goes on in the world is an outer reflection of what goes on inside the heads of the population.

And in this whole universe why is good for mankind soooo important? It is possible that mankind like the dinosaurs is a temporary aberration? Their selfishness seems to know no bounds….

[PersonOfInterest]

Organized religion is the worst. Everyone needs a belief. Even Atheism is a belief. Reincarnation makes the most sense to me. We are all learning life lessons while we're here. The ones we haven't achieved will be present in next lifetime.

Atheism is NOT a belief. It is quite the opposite. Those who DO NOT believe cannot have a belief.

[chrissy2231]

And in this whole universe why is good for mankind soooo important? It is possible that mankind like the dinosaurs is a temporary aberration? Their selfishness seems to know no bounds….
I agree and humans will one day be extinct. It's important cuz the human thoughts are an outward reflection of what happens in the world.

[chrissy2231]

Atheism is NOT a belief. It is quite the opposite. Those who DO NOT believe cannot have a belief.
This is interesting Is Atheism a New Faith? | Closer to Truth (https://www.closertotruth.com/series/atheism-new-faith?gclid=CjwKCAjwwL6aBhBlEiwADycBIKqFtWJjvD_Unr FUiMM3W1sFSS2tOF3bc63o379NhGXrPSuG4W8YZBoC_CoQAvD_ BwE)

[chrissy2231]

Isn't that part of the definition of "faith?" Faith is the belief in something without the requirement of evidence, right?
Yes. Still, we need to be open minded. Childhood indoctrinations need to be examined.

[chrissy2231]

Paleontology proves differently. At least the theory of evolution has evidence one can SEE.
That's why there are Atheists. I went to The Humanist Club Sunday: "Did Jesus really exist?" It was fascinating, and I still believe in Reincarnation which makes the most sense to me. The most important thing about the presenter and facilitator is that when audience discussion was opened, everyone and everything they said was accepted. No rebuttals. They referred back to statements that were made. I will keep going back.

[chrissy2231]

But chaos just continues as chaos unless some force pushed things together. Big Bang Theory and all that.
It's all about control, domination and suffering from childhood issues.

[chrissy2231]

My tombstone will read, " He came and went!"
I donated my body to Medcure. After seeing a movie from the 1700s, graves were dug up so experimentation could be performed. That's when I knew organ donation is not enough.

[chrissy2231]

Yes, turnabout is fair play. And I was just joking about the, "hunter's lives matter".
So glad!

[chrissy2231]

Taxes, in general, are MERELY designed to provide revenue for various governments. "Fairness" isn't attempted because it would be impossible to please everyone. Too many people look for logic and "fairness" in the tax system. The system is created by lawmakers that are available and imperfect. Better to just accept taxes as part of modern life.

Estate taxes, the so-called death taxes, are not actually unfair as most would think - but actually in keeping with the VERY American ideal that each generation and each individual should be required to earn THEIR own wealth........not get their wealth HANDED to them on a platter from their parents. The basic HISTORIC principle is that without estate taxes the US would evolve FROM a Democracy into a KINGDOM, like the Old England that the Colonists ran (or sailed) away from. So, Estate or death taxes are basically a good thing that helps INNOVATION and helps the average man keep the KINGS away. There are and have been many schemes implemented by large estates to avoid paying estate taxes. These are all to the benefit of individual families, but to the detriment of American SOCIETY.

Therefore, after you die, if your estate has paid its FAIR share of estate taxes, you can float around in the clouds of heaven playing a harp and feeling GOOD that you left the world a better place.
So important to leave the world a better place and work on life lessons. Everyone needs to avoid inheritance taxes.

[chrissy2231]

Having been dead and not at all religious... it was quite peaceful. Never saw any supreme being either good or bad. Just an indescribable peace and understanding of everything. It took me months to relive what I had experienced in as many seconds. Still haven't completed the job as I've started to forget many of the finer details of the trip.
If and when it happens again, I Do Not want to come back.
I believe you. My father had the same experience while being revived from a major heart attack.

You would love reading the book "Seat of the Soul" by Gary Zukav on Amazon under $13. web site seatofthesoul.com
The Club "Seat of the Soul" is meeting tonight at Sea Breeze, 7-8:30, FREE, no membership required. It is fascinating and life changing!

[tvbound]

A big problem I have with those who 'claim' to be Christians (including other religious factions), is the rank hypocrisy so often shown by a lot of them. I know all too many who don't bother to even try to follow the tenets of their religion, when it comes to the way others are treated. I'm also tired of hearing, after their hypocrisy is pointed out and they make it plain that they don't plan on changing a thing, their refrain/excuse of..."I'm not perfect, just forgiven." As if that should excuse their disgusting/abhorrent actions (or support of those who take those actions) toward others now - while still expecting some kind of everlasting utopia. At the same time, I truly admire those who actually 'walk the talk.'

[tvbound]

Having been dead and not at all religious... it was quite peaceful. Never saw any supreme being either good or bad. Just an indescribable peace and understanding of everything. It took me months to relive what I had experienced in as many seconds. Still haven't completed the job as I've started to forget many of the finer details of the trip.
If and when it happens again, I Do Not want to come back.

The latest episode of 'The Good Doctor' examines this exact subject. A very interesting and thought-provoking episode, that looks at things from all perspectives - and I highly recommend it.

[Velvet]

A big problem I have with those who 'claim' to be Christians (including other religious factions), is the rank hypocrisy so often shown by a lot of them. I know all too many who don't bother to even try to follow the tenets of their religion, when it comes to the way others are treated. I'm also tired of hearing, after their hypocrisy is pointed out and they make it plain that they don't plan on changing a thing, their refrain/excuse of..."I'm not perfect, just forgiven." As if that should excuse their disgusting/abhorrent actions (or support of those who take those actions) toward others now - while still expecting some kind of everlasting utopia. At the same time, I truly admire those who actually 'walk the talk.'

Yes, but can I say that some people may intend to be good, do good, be unselfish, but find themselves, like an addict giving in to temptations. I speak from personal experience.

[tvbound]

Yes, but can I say that some people may intend to be good, do good, be unselfish, but find themselves, like an addict giving in to temptations. I speak from personal experience.

As I mentioned in my post ("all too many who don't bother to even try to follow the tenets of their religion"), since you've tried/intended to follow the tenets - it doesn't apply to those like yourself. Obviously, none of us are perfect and regardless of the intent to be "good" - we will all fail many times. I'm talking about those who purposely ignore the 'Golden Rule'...and don't give a second thought about doing so.

[chrissy2231]

A big problem I have with those who 'claim' to be Christians (including other religious factions), is the rank hypocrisy so often shown by a lot of them. I know all too many who don't bother to even try to follow the tenets of their religion, when it comes to the way others are treated. I'm also tired of hearing, after their hypocrisy is pointed out and they make it plain that they don't plan on changing a thing, their refrain/excuse of..."I'm not perfect, just forgiven." As if that should excuse their disgusting/abhorrent actions (or support of those who take those actions) toward others now - while still expecting some kind of everlasting utopia. At the same time, I truly admire those who actually 'walk the talk.'
I agree, and I know all religions are man-made. God is in our hearts, and we are God...no wonder dog is God spelled backward. People boast what is unbelievable and learned behavior from childhood. PLUS childhood issues. Everyone would benefit from reading the book: "Seat of the Soul," by Gary Zukav on Amazon under $13.
web site seatofthesoul.com
The Seat of the Soul club meets tonight at Sea Breeze, 7-8:30PM, FREE and membership not required. Fascinating, life changing, and explains every aspect of life.

[ex34449]

The Club "Seat of the Soul" is meeting tonight at Sea Breeze, 7-8:30, FREE, no membership required. It is fascinating and life changing!

You can tell when someone has experienced it as they will always attempt to describe the time/place but never have the ability to put it into words. It's 'simply tremendous' is a start though. Out Of Body trips are equally as emotional.

[ex34449]

The latest episode of 'The Good Doctor' examines this exact subject. A very interesting and thought-provoking episode, that looks at things from all perspectives - and I highly recommend it.

You should see/experience it in real life. I want to go back.

[chrissy2231]

You can tell when someone has experienced it as they will always attempt to describe the time/place but never have the ability to put it into words. It's 'simply tremendous' is a start though. Out Of Body trips are equally as emotional.
YES! You are an Advanced Soul & very wise...

[ex34449]

YES! You are an Advanced Soul & very wise...

You're too kind. I appreciate it but it was all an experience you couldn't help but learn from. No one ever forgets and some get driven pretty deep down the rabbit hole/s that they're led to because of it.

[chrissy2231]

You're too kind. I appreciate it but it was all an experience you couldn't help but learn from. No one ever forgets and some get driven pretty deep down the rabbit hole/s that they're led to because of it.
Yes, that is very sad! Much of Humanity is suffering and I try to help, understand and forgive all.

[ex34449]

Yes, that is very sad! Much of Humanity is suffering and I try to help, understand and forgive all.

Not really sad that I've experienced or heard but I've not met many that have gone there. Some are driven deeply into religion, others far far away. I think I was fortunate as I was never either and came out of it to examine the experience from and with an open outlook... if that makes any sense. lol
I wouldn't trade the experience for anything and look forward to it again to be honest.
I must say, I admire what you posted, I try and do the same. You have a good and warm heart!

[jimjamuser]

So important to leave the world a better place and work on life lessons. Everyone needs to avoid inheritance taxes.
I think that the point of my dissertation was NOT to avoid paying estate taxes because it prevents a return to kings, kingdoms, Princes, and dictators, which NO ONE of any good faith wants. Joseph Stalin FORCED communists to be atheists.

[tvbound]

You should see/experience it in real life. I want to go back.

"You should see/experience it in real life. I want to go back."


I can tell that you mean well and don't have any ill intentions toward me personally (unlike a few here ;) ), but nahhh, I think I'll pass on purposely wishing I was dead - even if it was only short & temporary. LOL

If you get the chance, you should really try to watch this weeks episode of 'The Good Doctor' I mentioned, as I think you would really enjoy the 'near death' story-line part of it.

I also hope that some of the usual suspects, don't jump on your "I want to go back" comment...as that would simply be mean and unwarranted.

[fdpaq0580]

When you hear Eric Clapton sing as well as many others it seems that is proof of God.

Saw him in concert in Mesa or Tempe, AZ in July of 1974. 18 July 1974 - Eric Clapton & His Band (https://www.whereseric.com/eric-clapton-tour/18/07/1974)

Seeing Clapton does not prove God. It only proves Clapton. Sorry!

[fdpaq0580]

Atheism is NOT a belief. It is quite the opposite. Those who DO NOT believe cannot have a belief.

Disagree! Atheism is not a "religion". But, believing God does not exist is still "believing".

[MorTech]

We revert back into stardust...Like everything else in physical reality.

[PersonOfInterest]

Disagree! Atheism is not a "religion". But, believing God does not exist is still "believing".

A 'Belief' is an acceptance that a statement is true or that something exists. To 'Believe' something is to accept something as true.

To believe in a negative is misinterpretation of meaning. It is simply NOT believing.

But if anyone wants to 'Believe' that Atheists are people who 'Believe' that God does not exist rather than people who don't believe there is a God, please feel free.

Should we also believe that Religion is believing that those who do not believe in God are wrong rather than just being belief in God? Okay, makes sense to me.

[chrissy2231]

Thank you and I'm glad I got to meet you electronically.

[chrissy2231]

A 'Belief' is an acceptance that a statement is true or that something exists. To 'Believe' something is to accept something as true.

To believe in a negative is misinterpretation of meaning. It is simply NOT believing.

But if anyone wants to 'Believe' that Atheists are people who 'Believe' that God does not exist rather than people who don't believe there is a God, please feel free.

Should we also believe that Religion is believing that those who do not believe in God are wrong rather than just being belief in God? Okay, makes sense to me.
Agree to believing in God. Organized Religion is dangerous. God is in our heart.

[chrissy2231]

"You should see/experience it in real life. I want to go back."


I can tell that you mean well and don't have any ill intentions toward me personally (unlike a few here ;) ), but nahhh, I think I'll pass on purposely wishing I was dead - even if it was only short & temporary. LOL

If you get the chance, you should really try to watch this weeks episode of 'The Good Doctor' I mentioned, as I think you would really enjoy the 'near death' story-line part of it.

I also hope that some of the usual suspects, don't jump on your "I want to go back" comment...as that would simply be mean and unwarranted.
I didn't write about wishing to be dead. I will watch it. Ex34449 is the poster. I am never mean.

[ex34449]

"A 'Belief' is an acceptance that a statement is true or that something exists. To 'Believe' something is to accept something as true."
That's part of it. This is also from Merriam Webster
: something that is accepted, considered to be true, or held as an opinion : something believed
an individual's religious or political beliefs
especially : a tenet or body of tenets held by a group
the beliefs of the Catholic Church

"To believe in a negative is misinterpretation of meaning. It is simply NOT believing."
Not believing and choosing to not have a belief are two entirely different situations.

"But if anyone wants to 'Believe' that Atheists are people who 'Believe' that God does not exist rather than people who don't believe there is a God, please feel free."
haha Again from Websters... : a person who does not believe in the existence of a god or any gods : one who subscribes to or advocates atheism

"Should we also believe that Religion is believing that those who do not believe in God are wrong rather than just being belief in God? Okay, makes sense to me."
It doesn't to me but who cares. = )

[chrissy2231]

A 'Belief' is an acceptance that a statement is true or that something exists. To 'Believe' something is to accept something as true.

To believe in a negative is misinterpretation of meaning. It is simply NOT believing.

But if anyone wants to 'Believe' that Atheists are people who 'Believe' that God does not exist rather than people who don't believe there is a God, please feel free.

Should we also believe that Religion is believing that those who do not believe in God are wrong rather than just being belief in God? Okay, makes sense to me.
God is in our heart. Organized religion is man made and one of the causes of war.

[chrissy2231]

I guess the good news is that my cell phone is still working, somewhere
We are God and God is in us. Most are not working on their life lessons. People live in fear or love. Most have trouble choosing the best option.

[fdpaq0580]

You should see/experience it in real life. I want to go back.

I am not being facetious, but I ask why you don't take steps to get back to "that place"? What is your reason for staying here if you would rather be there?
Again, serious inquiry.

[ex34449]

I am not being facetious, but I ask why you don't take steps to get back to "that place"? What is your reason for staying here if you would rather be there?
Again, serious inquiry.
Nope, valid question. I have a wife and dog I have to outlive to provide them safety, comfort, and security. I'd never take myself out of the picture but I sure miss the place greatly. I'll say this, when the time comes, I'll have a smile on my face.

[fdpaq0580]

"A 'Belief' is an acceptance that a statement is true or that something exists. To 'Believe' something is to accept something as true."
That's part of it. This is also from Merriam Webster
: something that is accepted, considered to be true, or held as an opinion : something believed
an individual's religious or political beliefs
especially : a tenet or body of tenets held by a group
the beliefs of the Catholic Church

"To believe in a negative is misinterpretation of meaning. It is simply NOT believing."
Not believing and choosing to not have a belief are two entirely different situations.

"But if anyone wants to 'Believe' that Atheists are people who 'Believe' that God does not exist rather than people who don't believe there is a God, please feel free."
haha Again from Websters... : a person who does not believe in the existence of a god or any gods : one who subscribes to or advocates atheism

"Should we also believe that Religion is believing that those who do not believe in God are wrong rather than just being belief in God? Okay, makes sense to me."
It doesn't to me but who cares. = )

To me, one can not simply choose to believe. Like Yoda said to young Luke, "you "do", or you "do not". There is no "try" (choose). Belief or lack of belief in God(s) is visceral.

[fdpaq0580]

Nope, valid question. I have a wife and dog I have to outlive to provide them safety, comfort, and security. I'd never take myself out of the picture but I sure miss the place greatly. I'll say this, when the time comes, I'll have a smile on my face.

Thank you. I feel the same way.

[ex34449]

To me, one can not simply choose to believe. Like Yoda said to young Luke, "you "do", or you "do not". There is no "try" (choose). Belief or lack of belief in God(s) is visceral.

I've no idea as there is only one mind I'm sure of, mine. Whatever happens that makes a another believe or not to a God or anything for that matter is a trip they took.
To me, one can choose anything to believe in. Or not.

[Byte1]

I know where I am going after I die and it is not due to religion. It is due to my faith and the grace of my GOD. Not everyone is going where I am going, but anyone that wants to can. The ONLY person holding you back from going to a better place when you depart this life, is YOU. So, if you do not arrive in the place you expected, you can only blame yourself.

[chrissy2231]

I am not being facetious, but I ask why you don't take steps to get back to "that place"? What is your reason for staying here if you would rather be there?
Again, serious inquiry.
You're mixing me up with two others who replied, or you may have misinterpretated my responses to them.. I'm in The Now and believe in Reincarnation.

[fdpaq0580]

You're mixing me up with two others who replied, or you may have misinterpretated my responses to them.. I'm in The Now and believe in Reincarnation.

Page 15, post 212. My question to that poster was a serious question. The answer I received was, imo, humble, caring, rational, and healthy.
As to your belief in reincarnation, there are those cases who seem to provide evidence toward that possibility that cannot be dismissed. I find those cases very interesting.

[chrissy2231]

I know where I am going after I die and it is not due to religion. It is due to my faith and the grace of my GOD. Not everyone is going where I am going, but anyone that wants to can. The ONLY person holding you back from going to a better place when you depart this life, is YOU. So, if you do not arrive in the place you expected, you can only blame yourself.
Would you tell me where that is?
I'm working on my Life Lessons to lessen how many I'll have to work on when I reincarnate.

[chrissy2231]

Yah! If you had to be reincarnated, and could choose, what would you be and why. Go for it. Could be a funny thread.
Hopefully, I would become a Mother. Didn't want to in this life.
I lived in Phila, & I won 1st place in my office's "best resemblance to a dog" contest. I won as an Afghan at age 24.

What about you?

[chrissy2231]

Having been dead and not at all religious... it was quite peaceful. Never saw any supreme being either good or bad. Just an indescribable peace and understanding of everything. It took me months to relive what I had experienced in as many seconds. Still haven't completed the job as I've started to forget many of the finer details of the trip.
If and when it happens again, I Do Not want to come back.
Sometimes I wonder if Earth is Hell, although I do not believe in Heaven or Hell?

[tvbound]

I know where I am going after I die and it is not due to religion. It is due to my faith and the grace of my GOD. Not everyone is going where I am going, but anyone that wants to can. The ONLY person holding you back from going to a better place when you depart this life, is YOU. So, if you do not arrive in the place you expected, you can only blame yourself.

"I know where I am going after I die..."

Actually, you have faith/belief of where/what you're going to after dying...you don't/can't really "know." It's akin to those who falsely say "I just tell it like it is," when in fact - they are only 'telling it as they see it.'

[rhood]

Kind of like the question "What is Love?":thumbup::thumbup:

When you're dead, you don't know that you're dead. All the pain os felt by others. Same thing happens when you're stupid.

[Byte1]

"I know where I am going after I die..."

Actually, you have faith/belief of where/what you're going to after dying...you don't/can't really "know." It's akin to those who falsely say "I just tell it like it is," when in fact - they are only 'telling it as they see it.'

Yep, I have FAITH. Is that hard to believe? Do I really "KNOW?" I am just counting on the promise that Jesus/GOD gave us in the Bible. They call that "faith." Better to have faith than to die miserably with nothing to look forward to. I have not seen ANY indication that reincarnation exists. But I am counting on the promise that GOD gave us that we do not just cease to exist. Jesus said that where he was going there was many rooms and that he was going to prepare a place for us when we went (paraphrased). Christians call that heaven. I am counting on having one of those rooms. I think that I would rather live with GOD than be reincarnated as something that lives in today's world. But hey, everyone has their own preference. God never mentions anything about reincarnation but their IS reference to an alternative to Heaven. I am not trying to convince anyone to join me; just explaining my "faith" to you in response. It would be the easy way out to believe that when you passed, there was nothing on the other side. That way, there would be no threat of moral or ethical reckoning for sin. Unfortunately, GOD states that "all have sinned..." so if GOD is real and one passes, they have a reckoning whether or not they believe. The ONLY way to forgo the punishment is via Jesus, according to the Holy Bible. BUT, that is my belief/faith as you mentioned. Of course, if I am wrong and the non-believers are right, then I have lost nothing. If I am right and the non-believers are wrong, they have lost EVERYTHING. I am no better than anyone else. I just accepted GOD's promise/gift. I hate to see others suffer, but GOD does not force anyone to accept HIS gift. That's each individual's choice. Kind of like having a complete stranger walk up to you and give you a check for $5000 with a stack of old references stating that this person is an honorable and honest person. It is your choice as to whether or not you believe that check is legit or not. Until you cash it, you don't know. However, if there is an expiration date on that check you might lose that gift if you do not believe(have faith) it's legit and do not cash it while you can. Maybe that is not a good analogy.
By the way, the Bible is the most widely published book in the world. It is historically and mathematically accurate. Just an interesting fact.

"What do you think happens when you die?"
I believe that I will go to be with the Lord.

[chrissy2231]

"I know where I am going after I die..."

Actually, you have faith/belief of where/what you're going to after dying...you don't/can't really "know." It's akin to those who falsely say "I just tell it like it is," when in fact - they are only 'telling it as they see it.'
I'm not in the "telling it like it is" category. Having been a searcher and seeker all my life, I was constantly drawn to meetings and literature about Reincarnation. Makes the most sense to me. I never try to convince anyone to switch their belief or lack therefore.

[chrissy2231]

John 3:16 says it all. "For God so loved the world (all of us) that He gave His only begotten son (Jesus) so that whoever believes in Him will not perish (be banned to an eternity away from God, in Hell) but will live everlasting life (will live in eternal paradise with God)." Think about it, Jesus left Heaven to come down to earth, live a perfect, sinless life as a human, then in obedience to the Father went to a terrible death on the cross to pay the price for all of our sins so that we would not have to pay the price for our sins. ---posted in love from a Bible-believing Christian---
I can't make sense out of "then in obedience to the father went to a terrible death on the cross to pay the price for all of our sins so that we would not have to pay the price for our sins." God is All Powerful. He gives Life Lessons to Earth's humans every lifetime. Don't understand why he wouldn't instill in each of the sinners consciousness that would not allow them to commit anymore sin? God always forgives, and he created each of us in his image. I question what needs answers for me. I also question Reincarnation statements that confuse me; then research tofind the answers.

[chrissy2231]

Evangelical atheist...?
No, Reincarnationalist. I am a searcher and a seeker. Humanist Club's last discussion "Did Jesus Really Exist?" The most amazing thing is that this Club is ACCEPTANCE at its finest. Anyone who wants to speak in the follow up discussion can. I spoke 4 times and a few others spoke multiple times. It is important to me to find out peoples' beliefs; hence, this post!

[chrissy2231]

Sounds great to me.😴
When you wake up, it's a "New Life" with oodles of "wake-up" calls so you can learn the Life Lessons you didn't in your last lifetime.

[chrissy2231]

And like Snow White, you will be awoken in a "New Life" so you can work on the Life Lessons you didn't learn in your last life I'm sure you and most people have seen/met people who are very far advanced along life's journey.

[Byte1]

When you wake up, it's a "New Life" with oodles of "wake-up" calls so you can learn the Life Lessons you didn't in your last lifetime.

Interesting. So, where did you come from, previously? I've never met anyone that has been reincarnated. Or, is there some unwritten law that says you are not allowed to know anything of your past life?

[chrissy2231]

I believe you because you believe it. And all your other posts seemed to be logical and normal. In 1992 my wife and I were babysitting a friend's children one summer night in Arizona near Sedona. We saw some lights circling in a large ring about mid-sky, or about 45 degrees. I said that I was going to walk up with the friend's dog and maybe get a better look at it. My wife was spooked and did NOT want me to go. Of course, I went anyway. out of curiosity, I suppose. I watched and petted the dog for about 1/2 of an hour and walked back. It kept up all night. And the sunrise washed it out. Our friend lived there for 10 years and had never seen that. And definitely, no mushrooms were involved. It was probably an inversion layer of some kind reflecting light from some airport. But, the light rotation looked like something from a Star Wars movie!
I believe in Aliens and always have. They are a much more advanced civilization, and their "TV" time must be watching we humans of which many are violent, mean, uncaring and lacking empathy. I'm sure no one will believe this...BUT...while living in LI, NY, quite a few times, I woke up with needle marks on my arms (no, not those needles!) I have no recollection, but do believe experiment were performed to understand human life. On rare occasion over the last 6 years, here in The Villages, the same thing has happened to me.

[Two Bills]

So many beliefs, and not a shred of evidence too prove any of them!

[chrissy2231]

I don't remember; many do. In the 1980s, I had a reading from Past Life Regressionalist who had my name and nothing else. Through 5 lifetimes, she spoke of issues about my not having children. In this lifetime, I didn't want children. So, she had Multi-Sensory Perception. This will probably make you laugh: My FAVE food hobby is picking clean the meat off turkey and chicken frames. This leads me to believe I POSSIBLY was a cannibal in last lifetime. My KARMA was having a horrific childhood filled with emotional and physical abuse. I have worked on oodles and oodles of Life Lessons, and my next lifetime will give me the opportunity to work on the ones I didn't.

[Byte1]

I don't remember; many do. In the 1980s, I had a reading from Past Life Regressionalist who had my name and nothing else. Through 5 lifetimes, she spoke of issues about my not having children. In this lifetime, I didn't want children. So, she had Multi-Sensory Perception. This will probably make you laugh: My FAVE food hobby is picking clean the meat off turkey and chicken frames. This leads me to believe I POSSIBLY was a cannibal in last lifetime. My KARMA was having a horrific childhood filled with emotional and physical abuse. I have worked on oodles and oodles of Life Lessons, and my next lifetime will give me the opportunity to work on the ones I didn't.

Duh!! Ok, so you got me. I should have caught on from your first posts, but I went along with it. I actually thought you were being serious and that you really were a few fries short of a Happy Meal. Thanks for the laugh..............

[chrissy2231]

duh!! Ok, so you got me. I should have caught on from your first posts, but i went along with it. I actually thought you were being serious and that you really were a few fries short of a happy meal. Thanks for the laugh..............
i am authentic and very serious. What i wrote is the absolute truth!

[chrissy2231]

So many beliefs, and not a shred of evidence too prove any of them!
What you believe and think is drawn to you. Check out what's going on in your life and your thoughts, beliefs. It's "The Law of Attraction."

[chrissy2231]

Dead is dead. It is permanent. No one's ever proven it to be different.
Same for heaven and hell. They've never been proven to be real "places."
There are those who want to think they're real because of blind faith.

No one really cares anyway and no one is reading this because we're almost beyond the 10th page of this thread!

:girlneener:
No, so far up to pg 22, PLUS, same question on Next Door with 287 replies. Work on your Life Lessons B4 it's too late!

[chrissy2231]

That is a totally untrue and rude statement! I think members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints are some of the kindest and most service oriented people I know.
So, too, are The Atheists. They have an open mind and listen to beliefs of people while keeping their own belief. I believe in Reincarnation, and was listened and responded to by meeting's speaker and facilitator. ACCEPTANCE AT ITS FINEST!!!

[chrissy2231]

Be sure to join The Humanist Club Villages Discussion Groups (https://www.villagesdiscussiongroups.com/)
Where are the locations of heaven and hell, and what do they do there, and for how long?

[chrissy2231]

amen
Sun will change colour, becoming a large red sphere.

This will be the beginning of the death of the Sun, and it will reach this stage in 11 billion years when it will become a small white star with almost no light.

SO, we have 11 billion years left of REINCARNATION...

[chrissy2231]

And don't forget the part where the Dr drops you on the head and says, "Oops!". Or doesn't that happen to everyone? 😯
I know it happened to some of the responders on this site!

[tvbound]

By the way, the Bible is the most widely published book in the world. It is historically and mathematically accurate. Just an interesting fact.


Like those who believe the earth is only about 10,000 years old, dinosaurs never existed and incest was acceptable? I'll take a pass.

"Humanists reject the claim that the Bible is the word of God. They are convinced the book was written solely by humans in an ignorant, superstitious, and cruel age. They believe that because the writers of the Bible lived in an unenlightened era, the book contains many errors and harmful teachings.'

Some Reasons Why Humanists Reject The Bible - American Humanist Association (/what-is-humanism/reasons-humanists-reject-bible/)

[Velvet]

Yep, I have FAITH. Is that hard to believe? Do I really "KNOW?" I am just counting on the promise that Jesus/GOD gave us in the Bible. They call that "faith." Better to have faith than to die miserably with nothing to look forward to. I have not seen ANY indication that reincarnation exists. But I am counting on the promise that GOD gave us that we do not just cease to exist. Jesus said that where he was going there was many rooms and that he was going to prepare a place for us when we went (paraphrased). Christians call that heaven. I am counting on having one of those rooms. I think that I would rather live with GOD than be reincarnated as something that lives in today's world. But hey, everyone has their own preference. God never mentions anything about reincarnation but their IS reference to an alternative to Heaven. I am not trying to convince anyone to join me; just explaining my "faith" to you in response. It would be the easy way out to believe that when you passed, there was nothing on the other side. That way, there would be no threat of moral or ethical reckoning for sin. Unfortunately, GOD states that "all have sinned..." so if GOD is real and one passes, they have a reckoning whether or not they believe. The ONLY way to forgo the punishment is via Jesus, according to the Holy Bible. BUT, that is my belief/faith as you mentioned. Of course, if I am wrong and the non-believers are right, then I have lost nothing. If I am right and the non-believers are wrong, they have lost EVERYTHING. I am no better than anyone else. I just accepted GOD's promise/gift. I hate to see others suffer, but GOD does not force anyone to accept HIS gift. That's each individual's choice. Kind of like having a complete stranger walk up to you and give you a check for $5000 with a stack of old references stating that this person is an honorable and honest person. It is your choice as to whether or not you believe that check is legit or not. Until you cash it, you don't know. However, if there is an expiration date on that check you might lose that gift if you do not believe(have faith) it's legit and do not cash it while you can. Maybe that is not a good analogy.
By the way, the Bible is the most widely published book in the world. It is historically and mathematically accurate. Just an interesting fact.

"What do you think happens when you die?"
I believe that I will go to be with the Lord.

Same. At least if I get a choice that’s what I want too.

[chrissy2231]

Like those who believe the earth is only about 10,000 years old, dinosaurs never existed and incest was acceptable? I'll take a pass.

"Humanists reject the claim that the Bible is the word of God. They are convinced the book was written solely by humans in an ignorant, superstitious, and cruel age. They believe that because the writers of the Bible lived in an unenlightened era, the book contains many errors and harmful teachings.'

Some Reasons Why Humanists Reject The Bible - American Humanist Association (/what-is-humanism/reasons-humanists-reject-bible/)
"The Bible was written over a span of 1500 years, by 40 writers. Unlike other religious writings, the Bible reads as a factual news account of real events, places, people, and dialogue." It is men, sadly I doubt any women; HMPF!, and man crested the religions. The most important thing is to learn and work on your Life Lessons so those Lessons do not carry over to your next life.

[Velvet]

Like those who believe the earth is only about 10,000 years old, dinosaurs never existed and incest was acceptable? I'll take a pass.

"Humanists reject the claim that the Bible is the word of God. They are convinced the book was written solely by humans in an ignorant, superstitious, and cruel age. They believe that because the writers of the Bible lived in an unenlightened era, the book contains many errors and harmful teachings.'

Some Reasons Why Humanists Reject The Bible - American Humanist Association (/what-is-humanism/reasons-humanists-reject-bible/)

I think that it is how people interpret in the holy books. First, it is written by people, who are guided by the divine but the people themselves are not perfect. Second, we are reading the original scripts in translation. Meanings are in different contexts, meanings can change. People wrote in terms of the culture in those days. And somethings were relevant only to those days (notice there are no mention of car etiquette, space exploration etc.) Somethings were allegories, parables and some, history. Then somethings were written for all times. Again interpretation. And then there is revelation. Only those see whom the Lord chooses can see. This must be very difficult for those who are not chosen. Since they don’t see, they don’t know or believe. Perfectly understandable. But with the right attitude any person is guaranteed to be chosen. Some people prefer their own version of what SHOULD be. And there is a possibility that THEY may even get it.

[fdpaq0580]

We revert back into stardust...Like everything else in physical reality.

I think you have THE answer. 😴💥🌌

[fdpaq0580]

Hopefully, I would become a Mother. Didn't want to in this life.
I lived in Phila, & I won 1st place in my office's "best resemblance to a dog" contest. I won as an Afghan at age 24.

What about you?

You must be beautiful, elegant and have gorgeous hair.

With my luck, all the good choices will be gone and I'll come back as a dung beetle. 💩

[fdpaq0580]

I know it happened to some of the responders on this site!

76, and I still have the lump on my head.

[chrissy2231]

that's why it's called evolution
Hm, Reincarnation

[chrissy2231]

I hope not. I tend to miss a lot of STUFF that I lost in the past - like my stolen green and green hardtop 57 Chevy!
Me, too! Way too attached to my stuff. I admire Minimalists...

[chrissy2231]

I don't ascribe to any religion that started after 1825. Or any after the age of the dinosaurs. But, I might try to start my own if I could just get enough followers and donations.
From Seinfeld: ""The Human Fund" is a fake charity used by George Costanza. After getting a similar gift from his friend Tim Whatley, George gave out cards to his co-workers stating that a donation had been made to a charity called "The Human Fund", with the slogan, "Money For People."

[chrissy2231]

Seat of the Soul meets the 1st and 3rd Weds at Sea Breeze 7-8:30PM
IF ONLY! Not in our lifetime...

[jimjamuser]

Like those who believe the earth is only about 10,000 years old, dinosaurs never existed and incest was acceptable? I'll take a pass.

"Humanists reject the claim that the Bible is the word of God. They are convinced the book was written solely by humans in an ignorant, superstitious, and cruel age. They believe that because the writers of the Bible lived in an unenlightened era, the book contains many errors and harmful teachings.'

Some Reasons Why Humanists Reject The Bible - American Humanist Association (/what-is-humanism/reasons-humanists-reject-bible/)
Nice post. Adds a lot to think about.

[Velvet]

Humanists:
‘Humanists stand for the building of a more humane, just, compassionate, and democratic society using a pragmatic ethics based on human reason, experience, and reliable knowledge-an ethics that judges the consequences of human actions by the well-being of all life on Earth.’
So basically I take from that - humanists are strictly concerned with life on earth, as determined by humans. A very, very tiny portion of the universe and infinite time.

[Taltarzac725]

There were and are Christian Humanists. Erasmus - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erasmus)

Humanists:
‘Humanists stand for the building of a more humane, just, compassionate, and democratic society using a pragmatic ethics based on human reason, experience, and reliable knowledge-an ethics that judges the consequences of human actions by the well-being of all life on Earth.’
So basically I take from that - humanists are strictly concerned with life on earth, as determined by humans. A very, very tiny portion of the universe and infinite time.

[chrissy2231]

Nice post. Adds a lot to think about.
Same question posted on NextDoor.com
Around 300 replies.

[chrissy2231]

Don't confuse faith and religion.

Faith is a personal relationship between a person and his/her God/Higher Power/Whatever. It is "the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen". Faith, by definition, has to be sincere, or it cannot be faith. I respect faith.


Religion on the other hand, is a construct of man, not of God, and no matter how nobly or flawlessly they begin, the one thing in common is that they ALL, over time, become corrupt, profiteering in innumerable ways from how the sincerity of the believers is channeled to meet the ends of the religious hierarchy. Everything from temple moneychangers, to selling indulgences, to burning witches, to inflaming the masses to war by insisting that "God wills it", to convincing the "believers" that the more money they contribute the greater the proof will be of their faith and the greater God will reward them, to using adolescent boys as sexual objects, to overlook the crimes of persons in power because those persons have great value to their particular sect, to hiding behind various tax regulations while amassing huge fortunes, to...you name it.

I despise religion.
Me, too!

[chrissy2231]

There were and are Christian Humanists. Erasmus - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erasmus)
The "Humanist" is a club in The Villages that meets twice a month. They accept everyone and allow all to voice their feelings and beliefs.

[chrissy2231]

You must be beautiful, elegant and have gorgeous hair.

With my luck, all the good choices will be gone and I'll come back as a dung beetle. 💩
Well, those were the days. Now I'm 76 and, luckily, aging well. Work on your Life Lessons, and you will be a FAB new person!

[chrissy2231]

It all depends on how you lived your life.
Very simple! If you accepted Jesus as your Lord and Savior then you go to Heaven, if you didn't accept Jesus, then you go to HELL!
Eternity is a VERY long time.
Make the correct decision!!
Hm, where are heaven and hell, and what do they do there?

[chrissy2231]

"If they have time for me". Of course they will have time for you. They and you will have have FOREVER. Time never ending in an existence where even the concept of time is meaningless.
Dracula movies stole this idea

[chrissy2231]

Like climate change?????:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl: (Sorry, cross-threading---10 yard penalty)
People herd. That's why we see a small line at the toll booths when everyone is waiting on huge lines. Can't think out of the box. Childhood beliefs are hammered in. They know what they are dealing with, so change is too scary, even when they realize it is important to move forward.

[chrissy2231]

For me, I combine spirituality (not structured religion) and science because they support each other. Physics states energy cannot be created, or destroyed, but only change molecular structure.

Energy is all that is…all matter in the universe is made from energy. Energy has always been, and will always be. Energy can’t be destroyed. Energy can’t die. Thereby, since I am made of matter (atoms, molecules, quarks etc), then when mu body stops functioning, the energy that made me is still there. I see collectively, all that is, as….God. God being an intelligent energy. The soul, is a small aspect of God, that collective divine intelligent energy that has always been, and will always be….because “energy cannot be created or destroyed…”

To answer your question my consciousness (also energy) will continue past the demise of the vessel it’s temporarily housed in.
The Soul is ours; the Spirit belongs to God. I'm working on my Soul having realized 4 months ago, I never gave it any notice.

[chrissy2231]

Some people think when you die it's like turning off a light switch, nothing. Others believe in heaven and hell. None of us are going to change what will actually happen by believing or not believing something. It's up to us to seek the truth. Eternity is a long long time. Claiming ignorance after the fact sounds like a poor strategy to me. I chose Jesus.
Admirable. I choose Reincarnation.

[chrissy2231]

Since we are finite creatures with a begining, middle, and end, infinity is a concept that, imho, is impossible to convey or conceive. My spur of the moment attempt goes like this. "With out end. No up, down, right, left, begining, ending. No point of reference. FOREVER."

Can you imagine you are on a line that goes to your righ and to your left. You go one we and I go the other. We both set out. We travel a trillion times the speed of light and we live a million life times. Neither of us are any closer to the end of the line because there is no end. No end! That would be infinity in one dimension. We exist in 3 dimensions. No mater what direction you go you are never any closer to an end, because the is no end. Eternal life would not get you closer to an end, and since you have eternal (never ending, infinite) life, even death can't release your never ending travel.

So, Infinity, could be a curse or a blessing. There is always the possibility of infinite joy and love.

What do you think?
You are touching on Reincarnation. There is never death. Hopefully, we work on our life lessons in each life so we can move forward int the New Life. For example, we get lots of chemistry or instant chemistry with some and nothing w/others. I believe that chemistry exists having walked through previous lifetimes w/that Soul.

[chrissy2231]

I don’t believe in hell, if I did I would say it’s what happens here on earth to people that have suffered or are now suffering from the way their fellow humans treat them…..
Possible this may be hell!

[chrissy2231]

Amen
War is about control, possession of land, becoming the mighty power. Peace is what the world was meant to be.

[chrissy2231]

since you asked. I've always pondered why some of us are born in good circumstances where one can thrive
to aspire to salvation. Others, say mongol warriors were born into a culture that demanded of them pillaging and murder. They had no choice. Why was i given one and not them? Hence i believe that some of us are granted another life, a different chance to gain salvation.
In reply to:
"since you asked. I've always pondered why some of us are born in good circumstances where one can thrive
to aspire to salvation. Others, say mongol warriors were born into a culture that demanded of them pillaging and murder. They had no choice. Why was i given one and not them? Hence i believe that some of us are granted another life, a different chance to gain salvation."

It's about Karma.

[chrissy2231]

It doesn't matter if there is anything after you die you deal with it.
I'm not a believer. I always looked at the promise of a better place was to keep people in line.
If you're good boys and girls Santa will bring you gifts.
I've signed up to donate my organs after I die.
Does that mean if there is a better place, I will show up missing body parts
I donated my body to Medcure. Having watch a movie taking place in the 1700s, interns had to rob graves to perform their work.

[chrissy2231]

Ecclesiastes 9:10 - Whatever your hand finds to do, do it with your might; for there is no work or device or knowledge or wisdom in the grave where you are going.

So, there you go. Your body is buried and your consciousness ceases completely. You do not go to heaven. You sleep and await a resurrection.

John 3:13 - No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man who is in heaven.

Revelation 20:4-6 And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years.

Anything else any church teaches is lies and deception. Read your Bible. There is a good chance that what you have been taught is not in there.
The Bible written by 40. Organized religion created by man.

[chrissy2231]

I appreciate the lightheartedness in some of the answers to this very important question. “Laughter is good medicine”
However, I feel I must interject to say that if we are honest with ourselves we somehow know that there is more after this life. I’m convinced in that same awareness that Jesus is the Way, the Truth and the Life; and no one gets to Heaven except through Him. Please take time to connect with Him, and His Word, on a regular basis.
And be sure to connect to your Soul...

[Michael 61]

Wow, Chrissy has a lot of time on her hands.

[Velvet]

There were and are Christian Humanists. Erasmus - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erasmus)

Didn’t know that, thank you.

[PersonOfInterest]

I really don't know what happens when you die. For those who believe in a God there is Heaven and Hell and the eternity of afterlife. For those non believers or followers of other religious or other factions, there are any number of answers to the question.

There is one thing I think we ALL can agree on, however. We will all find out and we will all have the answer to the question. Some will know in the very near future and others just a little while longer. Patience.

[tvbound]

Humanists:
‘Humanists stand for the building of a more humane, just, compassionate, and democratic society using a pragmatic ethics based on human reason, experience, and reliable knowledge-an ethics that judges the consequences of human actions by the well-being of all life on Earth.’
So basically I take from that - humanists are strictly concerned with life on earth, as determined by humans. A very, very tiny portion of the universe and infinite time.

"So basically I take from that - humanists are strictly concerned with life on earth, as determined by humans."

Not exactly or fully, but close enough. Let me start by saying that I have absolutely no ill-will toward those that choose faith/belief in the plethora of religions out there, over that which is actually provable (which is why I lean Agnostic and not Atheist). I would also respectfully point out, and as I've mentioned in other posts, it's the blatant hypocrisy from those (not you) who treat fellow humans horribly now, but use the excuse/justification of it because they believe they are going somewhere great when they die that bothers me the most. Then there's the whole history thing of My religion/belief is the correct/only one and I'm willing to start wars, or kill, to prove it." I would just rather 'try' to be a decent fellow human being - right now.




"A very, very tiny portion of the universe and infinite time."

In that we agree. Which makes me wonder even more, why so many on this one planet think they're unique/special/alone? The odds are astronomically against that being the case, so how many other Gods are worshiped in this infinite time/universe?

Anyway, I really DO appreciate being able to have a respectable conversation about this with you, instead of what is all too common...with extremists.

[Byte1]

Believe what you wish, but some things will happen regardless of what you believe. Death of the body is a given and for some on here, sooner than later. If you knew you were going to die tomorrow and were given a choice between someone's idea of coming back as a cricket (which can live for up to a year), or a dog or a short lived butterfly, or having your spirit/soul live forever, which choice would you make? I have never seen any evidence or heard of anyone that came back as another living organism but I do have historic documentation that there is the existence of a better place (usually called Heaven). Some folks believe that we just cease to exist. That would be pretty convenient, right? Personally, I believe in Divine Design and the creation of mankind, as well as the rest of our universe. I believe in GOD. Now, there is documentation that a man named Jesus existed over 2000 years ago. He claimed to be the Son of GOD, and he claimed to be GOD. Documentation shows that he performed miracles and made predictions. It was claimed that he was without sin and that he was a good man. All this is documented by hundreds of witnesses. Because of his claim, he was put to death. We don't need to go into the details of his punishment but it was predicted in old documentation (Old Testament/Scrolls) a thousand or more years previous to his birth. Jesus promised us a place with him in heaven. Some believed and some didn't. He rose from the grave and there were many witnesses to his return. HE gave us proof of what he claimed would happen. Then he ascended. The reasoning for this whole action was for Jesus (without sin) to take upon himself all of our sin, but only if we let him. Since ALL men (and women) have sinned and GOD does not accept sin, the only way for the promised afterlife with GOD is by allowing Jesus to take the blame and punishment for all our sin. But, it's not automatic. One MUST believe in Jesus and allow him to take their sin upon himself. The Bible claims that the penalty for sin is DEATH. The Bible states that those that believe in Jesus as the son of GOD will NOT die but have eternal life (in spirit form). Other places in the Bible suggest that those with sin will endure eternal torture.
OK, so that is what is documented(paraphrased).
So, if given a choice and ONLY the choice between eternal life or eternal torture, it seems like a no brainer what the choice would be. So, lets say I believe in eternal life (I do) as promised by thousands of years of prophecy, I die and I am wrong. What have I lost?
Someone else believes that when you die, you cease to exist. They die and they are wrong. What have they lost? The have lost an eternal life in GOD's glory. If I happen to be right, then they also endure an eternal punishment.
If I am wrong, then I have lost nothing by believing. If they are wrong, ouch!
This is what I believe happens when I die. I also believe that there will be some harsh punishment for those that attempt to persuade others that GOD does not exist. The question was asked and it was my obligation to pass on what I believe. I won't argue my point, only that this is what I believe.

[Two Bills]

Believe what you wish, but some things will happen regardless of what you believe.
If I am wrong, then I have lost nothing by believing. If they are wrong, ouch!
This is what I believe happens when I die. I also believe that there will be some harsh punishment for those that attempt to persuade others that GOD does not exist. The question was asked and it was my obligation to pass on what I believe. I won't argue my point, only that this is what I believe.


If all the predictions and beliefs are wrong, my sympathy goes out to all the Nuns, and all the fun they have missed out on!
To be quite honest, I find your whole diatribe to be quite arrogant and offensive.

[Byte1]

If all the predictions and beliefs are wrong, my sympathy goes out to all the Nuns, and all the fun they have missed out on!
To be quite honest, I find your whole diatribe to be quite arrogant and offensive.

Then I apologize for the misconception of my intent. It seems to me that it would be "arrogant and offensive" to many when someone suggests that there is no GOD/Creator. Believing man is the ultimate power in the universe would be "arrogant" in my opinion. Not sure what I said was "offensive" to you, but I apologize for your misunderstanding of whatever offended you.
By the way, if the lack of "fun" is related to "sympathy" as you suggest, then I have "sympathy" for all those that have not or will not have the chance to enjoy the Villages lifestyle. :mornincoffee:

[chrissy2231]

Wow, Chrissy has a lot of time on her hands.
I'm retired, high functioning and a multi-tasker. My intention is to understand what others believe, and give them thought provoking info about Life Lessons, Karma and Reincarnation. Read "Seat of the Soul" by Gary Zukav on Amazon under $13. It changed my life. The Villages has a Club "Seat of the Soul" that meets twice monthly at Sea Breeze.
web site seatofthesoul.com
If you would like to see my funny, outrageous and outlandish side as well as very funny actors, I invite you to:

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[chrissy2231]

"So basically I take from that - humanists are strictly concerned with life on earth, as determined by humans."

Not exactly or fully, but close enough. Let me start by saying that I have absolutely no ill-will toward those that choose faith/belief in the plethora of religions out there, over that which is actually provable (which is why I lean Agnostic and not Atheist). I would also respectfully point out, and as I've mentioned in other posts, it's the blatant hypocrisy from those (not you) who treat fellow humans horribly now, but use the excuse/justification of it because they believe they are going somewhere great when they die that bothers me the most. Then there's the whole history thing of My religion/belief is the correct/only one and I'm willing to start wars, or kill, to prove it." I would just rather 'try' to be a decent fellow human being - right now.




"A very, very tiny portion of the universe and infinite time."

In that we agree. Which makes me wonder even more, why so many on this one planet think they're unique/special/alone? The odds are astronomically against that being the case, so how many other Gods are worshiped in this infinite time/universe?

Anyway, I really DO appreciate being able to have a respectable conversation about this with you, instead of what is all too common...with extremists.
I'm sad for you that you profligate killing and war. Find Inner Peace and work on your Life Lessons. Read "Seat of the Soul" by Gary Zukav on Amazon under $13. web site seaofthesoul.com
I am sending you "Healing White Light."

[chrissy2231]

Believe what you wish, but some things will happen regardless of what you believe. Death of the body is a given and for some on here, sooner than later. If you knew you were going to die tomorrow and were given a choice between someone's idea of coming back as a cricket (which can live for up to a year), or a dog or a short lived butterfly, or having your spirit/soul live forever, which choice would you make? I have never seen any evidence or heard of anyone that came back as another living organism but I do have historic documentation that there is the existence of a better place (usually called Heaven). Some folks believe that we just cease to exist. That would be pretty convenient, right? Personally, I believe in Divine Design and the creation of mankind, as well as the rest of our universe. I believe in GOD. Now, there is documentation that a man named Jesus existed over 2000 years ago. He claimed to be the Son of GOD, and he claimed to be GOD. Documentation shows that he performed miracles and made predictions. It was claimed that he was without sin and that he was a good man. All this is documented by hundreds of witnesses. Because of his claim, he was put to death. We don't need to go into the details of his punishment but it was predicted in old documentation (Old Testament/Scrolls) a thousand or more years previous to his birth. Jesus promised us a place with him in heaven. Some believed and some didn't. He rose from the grave and there were many witnesses to his return. HE gave us proof of what he claimed would happen. Then he ascended. The reasoning for this whole action was for Jesus (without sin) to take upon himself all of our sin, but only if we let him. Since ALL men (and women) have sinned and GOD does not accept sin, the only way for the promised afterlife with GOD is by allowing Jesus to take the blame and punishment for all our sin. But, it's not automatic. One MUST believe in Jesus and allow him to take their sin upon himself. The Bible claims that the penalty for sin is DEATH. The Bible states that those that believe in Jesus as the son of GOD will NOT die but have eternal life (in spirit form). Other places in the Bible suggest that those with sin will endure eternal torture.
OK, so that is what is documented(paraphrased).
So, if given a choice and ONLY the choice between eternal life or eternal torture, it seems like a no brainer what the choice would be. So, lets say I believe in eternal life (I do) as promised by thousands of years of prophecy, I die and I am wrong. What have I lost?
Someone else believes that when you die, you cease to exist. They die and they are wrong. What have they lost? The have lost an eternal life in GOD's glory. If I happen to be right, then they also endure an eternal punishment.
If I am wrong, then I have lost nothing by believing. If they are wrong, ouch!
This is what I believe happens when I die. I also believe that there will be some harsh punishment for those that attempt to persuade others that GOD does not exist. The question was asked and it was my obligation to pass on what I believe. I won't argue my point, only that this is what I believe.
It's good to have beliefs. I believe in God, and I believe in Life Lessons, Karma and Reincarnation. God does forgive, and we are created in his Image. God was the one who sentenced his son to death. "The suffering servant’s death was nothing less than a punishment administered by God for sins others had committed."
Article Sin Didn't Kill Jesus—God Did | Crossway Articles (https://www.crossway.org/articles/sin-didnt-kill-jesusgod-did/)

[chrissy2231]

Then I apologize for the misconception of my intent. It seems to me that it would be "arrogant and offensive" to many when someone suggests that there is no GOD/Creator. Believing man is the ultimate power in the universe would be "arrogant" in my opinion. Not sure what I said was "offensive" to you, but I apologize for your misunderstanding of whatever offended you.
By the way, if the lack of "fun" is related to "sympathy" as you suggest, then I have "sympathy" for all those that have not or will not have the chance to enjoy the Villages lifestyle. :mornincoffee:
I am the authoress of this post.
One of the ways to enjoy The Villages lifestyle is:
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[Byte1]

It's good to have beliefs. I believe in God, and I believe in Life Lessons, Karma and Reincarnation. God does forgive, and we are created in his Image. God was the one who sentenced his son to death. "The suffering servant’s death was nothing less than a punishment administered by God for sins others had committed."
Article Sin Didn't Kill Jesus—God Did | Crossway Articles (https://www.crossway.org/articles/sin-didnt-kill-jesusgod-did/)

No offense meant, but that is an odd way to look at it.

[chrissy2231]

"So basically I take from that - humanists are strictly concerned with life on earth, as determined by humans."

Not exactly or fully, but close enough. Let me start by saying that I have absolutely no ill-will toward those that choose faith/belief in the plethora of religions out there, over that which is actually provable (which is why I lean Agnostic and not Atheist). I would also respectfully point out, and as I've mentioned in other posts, it's the blatant hypocrisy from those (not you) who treat fellow humans horribly now, but use the excuse/justification of it because they believe they are going somewhere great when they die that bothers me the most. Then there's the whole history thing of My religion/belief is the correct/only one and I'm willing to start wars, or kill, to prove it." I would just rather 'try' to be a decent fellow human being - right now.




"A very, very tiny portion of the universe and infinite time."

In that we agree. Which makes me wonder even more, why so many on this one planet think they're unique/special/alone? The odds are astronomically against that being the case, so how many other Gods are worshiped in this infinite time/universe?

Anyway, I really DO appreciate being able to have a respectable conversation about this with you, instead of what is all too common...with extremists.
Great post! One man actually said: "he is willing to kill and start wars about his religion." I responded and also sent him Healing White Light. I'm glad I created this post, and also posted it to NextDoor.com

[jimjamuser]

"So basically I take from that - humanists are strictly concerned with life on earth, as determined by humans."

Not exactly or fully, but close enough. Let me start by saying that I have absolutely no ill-will toward those that choose faith/belief in the plethora of religions out there, over that which is actually provable (which is why I lean Agnostic and not Atheist). I would also respectfully point out, and as I've mentioned in other posts, it's the blatant hypocrisy from those (not you) who treat fellow humans horribly now, but use the excuse/justification of it because they believe they are going somewhere great when they die that bothers me the most. Then there's the whole history thing of My religion/belief is the correct/only one and I'm willing to start wars, or kill, to prove it." I would just rather 'try' to be a decent fellow human being - right now.




"A very, very tiny portion of the universe and infinite time."

In that we agree. Which makes me wonder even more, why so many on this one planet think they're unique/special/alone? The odds are astronomically against that being the case, so how many other Gods are worshiped in this infinite time/universe?

Anyway, I really DO appreciate being able to have a respectable conversation about this with you, instead of what is all too common...with extremists.
Nice positive post !

[jimjamuser]

I'm retired, high functioning and a multi-tasker. My intention is to understand what others believe, and give them thought provoking info about Life Lessons, Karma and Reincarnation. Read "Seat of the Soul" by Gary Zukav on Amazon under $13. It changed my life. The Villages has a Club "Seat of the Soul" that meets twice monthly at Sea Breeze.
web site seatofthesoul.com
If you would like to see my funny, outrageous and outlandish side as well as very funny actors, I invite you to:

IMPROV 2022, Saturday 10/28, 6-7:30PM, ONLY $7 at Rohan.
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You go.........high functioner!

[jimjamuser]

I'm sad for you that you profligate killing and war. Find Inner Peace and work on your Life Lessons. Read "Seat of the Soul" by Gary Zukav on Amazon under $13. web site seaofthesoul.com
I am sending you "Healing White Light."
I believe that there is a misinterpretation there. The gentleman's statement was the opposite of his belief in violence. He just stated that it is unfortunate that those things happen in the world. He himself chooses to avoid violence.

[tvbound]

I'm sad for you that you profligate killing and war. Find Inner Peace and work on your Life Lessons. Read "Seat of the Soul" by Gary Zukav on Amazon under $13. web site seaofthesoul.com
I am sending you "Healing White Light."

"I'm sad for you that you profligate killing and war."

No need to be sad, you just need to reread what I said...and its actual context. It is that history of "killing/war," in the name of (insert one) religion - that I am very much against.

[tvbound]

Great post! One man actually said: "he is willing to kill and start wars about his religion." I responded and also sent him Healing White Light. I'm glad I created this post, and also posted it to NextDoor.com

You're very confused. The person you sent some kind of "Healing White Light" to because you thought he was advocating "war/killing," is the same one that wrote the post - you are now calling "Great."

That would be...ME. ;) LOL

[coffeebean]

If all the predictions and beliefs are wrong, my sympathy goes out to all the Nuns, and all the fun they have missed out on!
To be quite honest, I find your whole diatribe to be quite arrogant and offensive.

Nuns......married to God. Yeah right!

[Two Bills]

You're very confused. The person you sent some kind of "Healing White Light" to because you thought he was advocating "war/killing," is the same one that wrote the post - you are now calling "Great."

That would be...ME. ;) LOL

Lady probably still a bit confused after the latest alien abduction.

[jimjamuser]

Lady probably still a bit confused after the latest alien abduction.
That made me laugh.

[Byte1]

Lady probably still a bit confused after the latest alien abduction.

:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[fdpaq0580]

Dracula movies stole this idea

Not just Dracula. Ever see The Incredible Shrinking Man?

[fdpaq0580]

Possible this may be hell!

Equally possible it is heaven. I don't believe in either, but the possibilities are there for consideration.
👼👹

[fdpaq0580]

I really don't know what happens when you die. For those who believe in a God there is Heaven and Hell and the eternity of afterlife. For those non believers or followers of other religious or other factions, there are any number of answers to the question.

There is one thing I think we ALL can agree on, however. We will all find out and we will all have the answer to the question. Some will know in the very near future and others just a little while longer. Patience.

Sorry to disagree, but like a movie that ends with a person looking out a door. You see them looking, but you can't see beyond the door. You have no idea what, if anything, is beyond that door. Then the movie leaves you hanging, wondering as it fades to black. It is over. No explanation. No sequel. Nothing.
Was it a movie, or a dream. You will never know, or even care. Stuff of the cosmos. Stuff of infinity. RIP!

[PersonOfInterest]

Believe what you wish, but some things will happen regardless of what you believe. Death of the body is a given and for some on here, sooner than later. If you knew you were going to die tomorrow and were given a choice between someone's idea of coming back as a cricket (which can live for up to a year), or a dog or a short lived butterfly, or having your spirit/soul live forever, which choice would you make? I have never seen any evidence or heard of anyone that came back as another living organism but I do have historic documentation that there is the existence of a better place (usually called Heaven). Some folks believe that we just cease to exist. That would be pretty convenient, right? Personally, I believe in Divine Design and the creation of mankind, as well as the rest of our universe. I believe in GOD. Now, there is documentation that a man named Jesus existed over 2000 years ago. He claimed to be the Son of GOD, and he claimed to be GOD. Documentation shows that he performed miracles and made predictions. It was claimed that he was without sin and that he was a good man. All this is documented by hundreds of witnesses. Because of his claim, he was put to death. We don't need to go into the details of his punishment but it was predicted in old documentation (Old Testament/Scrolls) a thousand or more years previous to his birth. Jesus promised us a place with him in heaven. Some believed and some didn't. He rose from the grave and there were many witnesses to his return. HE gave us proof of what he claimed would happen. Then he ascended. The reasoning for this whole action was for Jesus (without sin) to take upon himself all of our sin, but only if we let him. Since ALL men (and women) have sinned and GOD does not accept sin, the only way for the promised afterlife with GOD is by allowing Jesus to take the blame and punishment for all our sin. But, it's not automatic. One MUST believe in Jesus and allow him to take their sin upon himself. The Bible claims that the penalty for sin is DEATH. The Bible states that those that believe in Jesus as the son of GOD will NOT die but have eternal life (in spirit form). Other places in the Bible suggest that those with sin will endure eternal torture.
OK, so that is what is documented(paraphrased).
So, if given a choice and ONLY the choice between eternal life or eternal torture, it seems like a no brainer what the choice would be. So, lets say I believe in eternal life (I do) as promised by thousands of years of prophecy, I die and I am wrong. What have I lost?
Someone else believes that when you die, you cease to exist. They die and they are wrong. What have they lost? The have lost an eternal life in GOD's glory. If I happen to be right, then they also endure an eternal punishment.
If I am wrong, then I have lost nothing by believing. If they are wrong, ouch!
This is what I believe happens when I die. I also believe that there will be some harsh punishment for those that attempt to persuade others that GOD does not exist. The question was asked and it was my obligation to pass on what I believe. I won't argue my point, only that this is what I believe.

I think we all know the story, but something being 'Documented' does not make it True or Factual. What 'harsh punishment' have you seen God take against those attempting to persuade others that he does not exist?

[Byte1]

I think we all know the story, but something being 'Documented' does not make it True or Factual. What 'harsh punishment' have you seen God take against those attempting to persuade others that he does not exist?

"True and Factual" is that the documentation shows that there were many, many witnesses. It's interesting that many even on here will take a scientist's view or theory on a subject such as man caused climate control, as fact even though they have not witnessed evidence of it. I wasn't around for any of the Great Wars or the Civil War, but I take most of history documentation as factual or at least credible. Even if one does not believe in the Bible, it's hard to refute the accuracy of it historically and mathematically, when many have made the attempt. But, I said I would not argue my answer as to what I believe will happen to me when I die. Historically, Jesus did exist and was put to death. That was documented. I suggest that either he was/is what he claimed, GOD's son or he was the greatest documented magician, conman and liar the world has ever known.

[Velvet]

"True and Factual" is that the documentation shows that there were many, many witnesses. It's interesting that many even on here will take a scientist's view or theory on a subject such as man caused climate control, as fact even though they have not witnessed evidence of it. I wasn't around for any of the Great Wars or the Civil War, but I take most of history documentation as factual or at least credible. Even if one does not believe in the Bible, it's hard to refute the accuracy of it historically and mathematically, when many have made the attempt. But, I said I would not argue my answer as to what I believe will happen to me when I die. Historically, Jesus did exist and was put to death. That was documented. I suggest that either he was/is what he claimed, GOD's son or he was the greatest documented magician, conman and liar the world has ever known.

And archeological findings. The various cities and countries mentioned in the Bible eg how Babylonians used the bodies of ( probably live) children to build into the walls of their houses to keep the walls up; many, many other physical artifacts all documented in the Old Testament which by the way was written also as a history book. The Dead Sea scrolls, carbon dated etc.

[coffeebean]

Lady probably still a bit confused after the latest alien abduction.

Yup.

[PersonOfInterest]

"True and Factual" is that the documentation shows that there were many, many witnesses. It's interesting that many even on here will take a scientist's view or theory on a subject such as man caused climate control, as fact even though they have not witnessed evidence of it. I wasn't around for any of the Great Wars or the Civil War, but I take most of history documentation as factual or at least credible. Even if one does not believe in the Bible, it's hard to refute the accuracy of it historically and mathematically, when many have made the attempt. But, I said I would not argue my answer as to what I believe will happen to me when I die. Historically, Jesus did exist and was put to death. That was documented. I suggest that either he was/is what he claimed, GOD's son or he was the greatest documented magician, conman and liar the world has ever known.

It easier for most to accept Civil War accounts over documented accounts of a man performing miracles. What one accepts as true and factual is entirely their choice. I find your suggestion of Jesus as the son of God or magician, conman and liar to be interesting when combined with the defense of historical documentation. I appreciate your views.

[chrissy2231]

I believe that there is a misinterpretation there. The gentleman's statement was the opposite of his belief in violence. He just stated that it is unfortunate that those things happen in the world. He himself chooses to avoid violence.
"My religion/belief is the correct/only one and I'm willing to start wars, or kill, to prove it." VERY CLEAR! A tragedy!

[chrissy2231]

It easier for most to accept Civil War accounts over documented accounts of a man performing miracles. What one accepts as true and factual is entirely their choice. I find your suggestion of Jesus as the son of God or magician, conman and liar to be interesting when combined with the defense of historical documentation. I appreciate your views.
God put Jesus to death because of our sins...and here I thought I had an awful childhood.

[chrissy2231]

I think we all know the story, but something being 'Documented' does not make it True or Factual. What 'harsh punishment' have you seen God take against those attempting to persuade others that he does not exist?
I believe in God, and Reincarnation makes the most sense to me. We Reincarnate to learn the Life Lessons we didn't learn in previous life. Human form; not what you suggest.

God put Jesus to death because of our sins...and here I thought I had an awful childhood.

Where is Heaven and what happens there?

[Velvet]

It easier for most to accept Civil War accounts over documented accounts of a man performing miracles. What one accepts as true and factual is entirely their choice. I find your suggestion of Jesus as the son of God or magician, conman and liar to be interesting when combined with the defense of historical documentation. I appreciate your views.

When we don’t understand something we call it a “miracle” perhaps because we don’t yet know the science behind it. Remember when people thought that thunder and lightning was caused by angry Gods? Are we so much more advanced in science today that we understand the cause of everything?

[chrissy2231]

i think we all know the story, but something being 'documented' does not make it true or factual. What 'harsh punishment' have you seen god take against those attempting to persuade others that he does not exist?
karma!

[chrissy2231]

Nuns......married to God. Yeah right!
They have those Habits that can cover up pregnancy. I'm sure there are many dead babies buried between priest/nun housings. Just look at the tragedy of what priests did to young boys.

[chrissy2231]

Lady probably still a bit confused after the latest alien abduction.
I don't see where i wrote "Great?" Would you please copy to send to me?

If you think we are the only life form. our planet is a speck in the Universe. There are far more intelligent life forms that laugh at us with our wars, killings and meanness!

[jimjamuser]

"My religion/belief is the correct/only one and I'm willing to start wars, or kill, to prove it." VERY CLEAR! A tragedy!
He was using that quote as an example of what NOT, NOT. NOT TO DO. Think of it as sarcasm

[jimjamuser]

I believe in God, and Reincarnation makes the most sense to me. We Reincarnate to learn the Life Lessons we didn't learn in previous life. Human form; not what you suggest.

God put Jesus to death because of our sins...and here I thought I had an awful childhood.

Where is Heaven and what happens there?
Heaven is the BAIT on the hook used to extract money from the masses and build churches to impress and create an environment best suited for mind control and the replication of a carefully selected set of ideas. Repetition, singing, ceremony, and socialization are used as Pavlovian rewards.

[jimjamuser]

When we don’t understand something we call it a “miracle” perhaps because we don’t yet know the science behind it. Remember when people thought that thunder and lightning was caused by angry Gods? Are we so much more advanced in science today that we understand the cause of everything?
Science is when people are looking forward for answers. Religion is when people look backward for answers.

[Two Bills]

I don't see where i wrote "Great?" Would you please copy to send to me?

I didn't write "Great?" either.

[Byte1]

Heaven is the BAIT on the hook used to extract money from the masses and build churches to impress and create an environment best suited for mind control and the replication of a carefully selected set of ideas. Repetition, singing, ceremony, and socialization are used as Pavlovian rewards.

So, you are saying that anyone that believes are morons, susceptible to brainwashing and grift. Well, if you are wrong I guess you are in a bit of a fix in the future.

[Byte1]

Science is when people are looking forward for answers. Religion is when people look backward for answers.

And you left "FAITH" out of your statement.

[chrissy2231]

He was using that quote as an example of what NOT, NOT. NOT TO DO. Think of it as sarcasm
I'm sure others thought as I did.

[tvbound]

He was using that quote as an example of what NOT, NOT. NOT TO DO. Think of it as sarcasm

"He was using that quote as an example of what NOT, NOT. NOT TO DO."


I do appreciate the effort, but I think it's best to just let it go at this point, as it seems the "high-functioning/multi-tasking" chip - is temporarily on the fritz. LOL

[chrissy2231]

"He was using that quote as an example of what NOT, NOT. NOT TO DO."


I do appreciate the effort, but I think it's best to just let it go at this point, as it seems the "high-functioning/multi-tasking" chip - is temporarily on the fritz. LOL
Then you must come see me in "Two-Bit Computer!"

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[chrissy2231]

Heaven is the BAIT on the hook used to extract money from the masses and build churches to impress and create an environment best suited for mind control and the replication of a carefully selected set of ideas. Repetition, singing, ceremony, and socialization are used as Pavlovian rewards.
Like Branch Davidian - all man-made

[fdpaq0580]

War is about control, possession of land, becoming the mighty power. Peace is what the world was meant to be.

Disagree. Look at the universe we exist in. Stars exploding, galaxies colliding, solar systems being wiped out. Black holes sucking every thing withing its gravitational influence spiraling to oblivion. Plants getting life giving nutrition from the very rocks and earth. Animals killing and eating the plants. Other animals killing and eating animals. No, peace is not what the world was meant to be. Peace is simply our dream of what we would like it to be. Heaven on Earth!

[chrissy2231]

Disagree. Look at the universe we exist in. Stars exploding, galaxies colliding, solar systems being wiped out. Black holes sucking every thing withing its gravitational influence spiraling to oblivion. Plants getting life giving nutrition from the very rocks and earth. Animals killing and eating the plants. Other animals killing and eating animals. No, peace is not what the world was meant to be. Peace is simply our dream of what we would like it to be. Heaven on Earth!
Where is Heaven, and what do they do there? Heaven and Hell make no sense, and I believe in Reincarnation.

[Two Bills]

I'm sure others thought as I did.

To be honest, I think your thoughts are quite unique!

[coffeebean]

God put Jesus to death because of our sins...and here I thought I had an awful childhood.

People seriously believe this????? I will never buy into that belief. Never did. Never will. I was a kid when I made up my mind not to believe in the fairy tales of the Christian faith that were being fed to me in Catholic catechism.

Just one example..........the "story" of the Virgin Mother was stolen from the Pagans. For crying out loud, the least the Christians could have done was make up their own story. When I got older and learned about the "facts of life", it only verified to me those fairy tales were just that........fairy tales.

[coffeebean]

karma!

I have said OUT LOUD several times, 'If God does exist, if there is a God, may God strike me dead right now, right where I stand at this moment in time". Guess what? I'm still here.

[chrissy2231]

To be honest, I think your thoughts are quite unique!
Thanks, and I am unique.

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[fdpaq0580]

Where is Heaven, and what do they do there? Heaven and Hell make no sense, and I believe in Reincarnation.

That is the point. Nobody REALLY knows. Inducement to act one way, threat of punishment if you don't do as I say. So much for "free" will.
As for reincarnation, I think the few examples of regression investigation that I am aware of remind me of watching Ancient Aliens. Entertaining curiosity, but not convincing any more than just saying "God made it".
Have you gone through regression? If so, who/what were you in a past life. Not teasing here. Would like to know.

[Kenswing]

To be honest, I think your thoughts are quite unique!

To say the least. :1rotfl: :1rotfl:

[Byte1]

I have said OUT LOUD several times, 'If God does exist, if there is a God, may God strike me dead right now, right where I stand at this moment in time". Guess what? I'm still here.

Relish that point now, because...............

[Whitley]

People seriously believe this????? I will never buy into that belief. Never did. Never will. I was a kid when I made up my mind not to believe in the fairy tales of the Christian faith that were being fed to me in Catholic catechism.

Just one example..........the "story" of the Virgin Mother was stolen from the Pagans. For crying out loud, the least the Christians could have done was make up their own story. When I got older and learned about the "facts of life", it only verified to me those fairy tales were just that........fairy tales.


Ahh now this explains a lot.

[Whitley]

Yup.

I have noticed that those who believe in God do not belittle and make fun of others with a different view. Yup.

[Whitley]

Admirable. I choose Reincarnation.

Reincarnation...for how long? Until we get it right? Then what?
I recall an older movie called defending your life. I liked it. That is all. Nothing more to say.

[Whitley]

So well written and a WOW. I believe you.

I believe in Reincarnation which makes the most sense to me. And I believe in God. I'm reading "Seat of the Soul" by Gary Zukav on Amazon under $13. web site seatofthesoul.com

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Friends I made in the SW taught me their beliefs; when we die, our spirit floats up into the sky where it is eaten by the great Eagle (God). We once again become one with the creator. I'm sure it went into greater detail but I was not myself (they had lots of rules for these discussions) at the moment. You need to prepare for the convos. Preperation makes you a bit loopy.

[Whitley]

And in this whole universe why is good for mankind soooo important? It is possible that mankind like the dinosaurs is a temporary aberration? Their selfishness seems to know no bounds….

The beauty we create, the love we show others, the endless possibilities of our dreams; I do not deny the ugliness of man, but there is also great beauty and wonder.

[Whitley]

Paleontology proves differently. At least the theory of evolution has evidence one can SEE.

The missing link is really thousands of missing links. Thousands of steps missing, with thousands, hundreds of thousands, perhaps millions of examples of each step and not one found?

[Whitley]

Sounds like it is that orgasm that kills ya.

It is called the little death in french

[fdpaq0580]

I have noticed that those who believe in God do not belittle and make fun of others with a different view. Yup.

I certainly hope you are being sarcastic. They not only make of fun of different religions, they ridicule, dismiss as foolishness and threaten with Eternity In HELL.
Hah! Such fun!

[buzzy]

I hope that when you die, you get logged off of TOTV

[Aces4]

I have said OUT LOUD several times, 'If God does exist, if there is a God, may God strike me dead right now, right where I stand at this moment in time". Guess what? I'm still here.

I think it takes a supernatural mind to fully understand the existence of God. Even the brilliant Einstein declared himself an agnostic. He felt his imperfect human mind could not conclusively know there is no grand designer. He felt the factor of God was too vast for our limited minds.

I had an instance occur in my life in my mid-agnostic twenties that turned my life and heart instantly. Thank you, God!

[MorTech]

You will finally get your 72 virgins...It sounds like a lot of work :)

[Velvet]

I think it takes a supernatural mind to fully understand the existence of God. Even the brilliant Einstein declared himself an agnostic. He felt his imperfect human mind could not conclusively know there is no grand designer. He felt the factor of God was too vast for our limited minds.

I had an instance occur in my life in my mid-agnostic twenties that turned my life and heart instantly. Thank you, God!

Same with me. After searching to find IF there was a God, or several, or nothing or… doing nothing else (also in my twenties) I found my answer. Blood, sweat and tears… I put everything I had, everything I was, to find it.

[MorTech]

I really don't know but when I do die, I am going to punch Zeus right in the nose.

The origin of existence is unknown. A Creator appears from nothingness is just irrational...Who created the Creator? ...And from what? The prime scientific axiom is "Existence exists".

[Two Bills]

To say the least. :1rotfl: :1rotfl:

Even 'certifiable!'

[chrissy2231]

That is the point. Nobody REALLY knows. Inducement to act one way, threat of punishment if you don't do as I say. So much for "free" will.
As for reincarnation, I think the few examples of regression investigation that I am aware of remind me of watching Ancient Aliens. Entertaining curiosity, but not convincing any more than just saying "God made it".
Have you gone through regression? If so, who/what were you in a past life. Not teasing here. Would like to know.
I LUV picking the frames of turkeys and chickens. The meat is more tender. Perhaps I was a cannibal in my last life. Had so much KARMA in this life; mainly, a horrid childhood.

Went to a Past Life Regressionist in my 30s. All she had was my name. Through 5 lives, she wove a thread about my not having children for a variety of reasons. Maybe next lifetime I will be a mother?

[Velvet]

I really don't know but when I do die, I am going to punch Zeus right in the nose.

The origin of existence is unknown. A Creator appears from nothingness is just irrational...Who created the Creator? ...And from what? The prime scientific axiom is "Existence exists".

See the problem is with “who” is the Creator, the question should more likely be “what” is the Creator? Nothing is possible, given the separation of matter and anti matter. I agree that we don’t know exactly the origin of existence. And “rational” refers to human reason, so we understand only what that allows. Nothing beyond it.

[Byte1]

I certainly hope you are being sarcastic. They not only make of fun of different religions, they ridicule, dismiss as foolishness and threaten with Eternity In HELL.
Hah! Such fun!

Is it "threaten" or are they WARNING you? I have never threatened anybody with Hell, but I have quoted the Bible in regards to the punishment for sin. I sincerely hope that is not offensive or threatening, when some of us are not joyful that others may suffer. Most Christian believers wish only for our fellow man and women's salvation from punishment. If we wished folks ill will, we would simply keep the promise of salvation a secret. Yes, some believers have/do "make fun, ridicule and dismiss as foolishness other religions. It's wrong to do so, but it is human nature isn't it? That's not an excuse.
I have found that in the Villages there are many, many more believers than non-believers. Perhaps, some are hedging their bet when it comes to being so close to their expiration date? What have they got to lose by accepting the promise of eternal life? I have also found several on here that make fun of believers and call GOD a myth. My sympathy goes out them, because that may be like accelerating a car toward the cliff.
The subject of this thread is in regards to what we think happens to us when we die. Perhaps a better question would be "what do you WANT to happen to you when you die?" Then, think about whether or not anyone has given you any reason to believe that this will happen to you. If you want [fill in the blank] to happen to you, how do you think that you will accomplish that? If someone promises you something, what do you have to do to get that result?
No use arguing over who is right. The question is "what do think happens when you die?"

[Boomer]

I think it takes a supernatural mind to fully understand the existence of God. Even the brilliant Einstein declared himself an agnostic. He felt his imperfect human mind could not conclusively know there is no grand designer. He felt the factor of God was too vast for our limited minds.

I had an instance occur in my life in my mid-agnostic twenties that turned my life and heart instantly. Thank you, God!



One of my favorite quotes is……

“Coincidence is God’s way of remaining anonymous.”
— Albert Einstein

[jimjamuser]

So, you are saying that anyone that believes are morons, susceptible to brainwashing and grift. Well, if you are wrong I guess you are in a bit of a fix in the future.
Yes and sorry to the 1st part. And to the 2nd........I have made my decision, I can live with it, or die........no worries mate!

[jimjamuser]

"He was using that quote as an example of what NOT, NOT. NOT TO DO."


I do appreciate the effort, but I think it's best to just let it go at this point, as it seems the "high-functioning/multi-tasking" chip - is temporarily on the fritz. LOL
I tried my best. Sort of like "one small step for man".

[jimjamuser]

Then you must come see me in "Two-Bit Computer!"

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It is spelled you'se and I hope that it is an enjoyable time and I can appreciate acting or comedy talent.....break a leg!

[jimjamuser]

The missing link is really thousands of missing links. Thousands of steps missing, with thousands, hundreds of thousands, perhaps millions of examples of each step and not one found?
That made no sense to me?

[chrissy2231]

Is it "threaten" or are they WARNING you? I have never threatened anybody with Hell, but I have quoted the Bible in regards to the punishment for sin. I sincerely hope that is not offensive or threatening, when some of us are not joyful that others may suffer. Most Christian believers wish only for our fellow man and women's salvation from punishment. If we wished folks ill will, we would simply keep the promise of salvation a secret. Yes, some believers have/do "make fun, ridicule and dismiss as foolishness other religions. It's wrong to do so, but it is human nature isn't it? That's not an excuse.
I have found that in the Villages there are many, many more believers than non-believers. Perhaps, some are hedging their bet when it comes to being so close to their expiration date? What have they got to lose by accepting the promise of eternal life? I have also found several on here that make fun of believers and call GOD a myth. My sympathy goes out them, because that may be like accelerating a car toward the cliff.
The subject of this thread is in regards to what we think happens to us when we die. Perhaps a better question would be "what do you WANT to happen to you when you die?" Then, think about whether or not anyone has given you any reason to believe that this will happen to you. If you want [fill in the blank] to happen to you, how do you think that you will accomplish that? If someone promises you something, what do you have to do to get that result?
No use arguing over who is right. The question is "what do think happens when you die?"
A gut instinct gives us many answers. I believe the answer to what happens when you die is there, and it feels right.

[chrissy2231]

It is spelled you'se and I hope that it is an enjoyable time and I can appreciate acting or comedy talent.....break a leg!
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[fdpaq0580]

Fade to black! End of existence! End

[Calisport]

I'm a dreamtime clairvoyant so I've had experiences with some spirits good and bad. There really are spirits. I'd still like to know for sure if there are beings from other planets though.

[Taltarzac725]

I'm a dreamtime clairvoyant so I've had experiences with some spirits good and bad. There really are spirits. I'd still like to know for sure if there are beings from other planets though.

Probably but alien intelligent life would probably avoid us as much as possible given the violence of the past 2000 years or so. They would keep eyes and ears on us. If and when we become a threat then they would make their presence better known.

[fdpaq0580]

I'm a dreamtime clairvoyant so I've had experiences with some spirits good and bad. There really are spirits. I'd still like to know for sure if there are beings from other planets though.

Since the building blocks of life are scattered throughout the universe, it is highly likely there is some kind of life "out there". 👽

[BigSteph]

Only 4 heavens? 😠 Surely there will be an unlimited number to move through as you like.

You know they say the residents of The Heavens move, on average, about 3 times.

[chrissy2231]

I'm a dreamtime clairvoyant so I've had experiences with some spirits good and bad. There really are spirits. I'd still like to know for sure if there are beings from other planets though.
For sure. Both
Earthlings & Aliens.

[chrissy2231]

Probably but alien intelligent life would probably avoid us as much as possible given the violence of the past 2000 years or so. They would keep eyes and ears on us. If and when we become a threat then they would make their presence better known.
Yes, we are their laughter!
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[fdpaq0580]

You know they say the residents of The Heavens move, on average, about 3 times.

😄 That is GREAT! Funny as H----eck! 😄😃😄

[fdpaq0580]

I'm a dreamtime clairvoyant so I've had experiences with some spirits good and bad. There really are spirits. I'd still like to know for sure if there are beings from other planets though.

I have also had some experience with good and bad spirits. Find I prefer my spirits to be single malt, the older the better. 😝🍹

[Velvet]

I have also had some experience with good and bad spirits. Find I prefer my spirits to be single malt, the older the better. 😝🍹

You!! are a mischief!

[KJ1325]

George Carlin had an interesting take on religion. You can Google it. He also had a great skit on the government

[coffeebean]

I just want to address the use of colors when using the quote function. I use the new version of TOTV and the quote box is dark green. Reds, purples and blues do not show up on that dark green back round. Just a heads up if you decide to use colors when you post. The default black text displays white on the dark green back round of the quote box. That is easy to read.

[coffeebean]

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I'm quoting this post just so I can see if the green font actually disappears completely against the dark green quote box. Here goes>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.

[coffeebean]

I'm quoting this post just so I can see if the green font actually disappears completely against the dark green quote box. Here goes>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.

Yup....the green text completely disappears in the quote box when using the new version of this forum. Just as I thought.

[fdpaq0580]

Yup....the green text completely disappears in the quote box when using the new version of this forum. Just as I thought.

Just like we do when we, you know?

[MorTech]

See the problem is with “who” is the Creator, the question should more likely be “what” is the Creator? Nothing is possible, given the separation of matter and anti matter. I agree that we don’t know exactly the origin of existence. And “rational” refers to human reason, so we understand only what that allows. Nothing beyond it.

Creator must be all-knowing conscious being...therefore "Who" or "I-ness"
Matter and anti-matter are not nothing...nothing cannot exist.
Something cannot magically appear from nothingness...Null and Infinity/eternity do not exist in physical reality.

[MorTech]

If you really want to have your mind blown on this subject, then read "The Prime Cure" or "Neothink Superpuzzle" by Mark Hamilton.

[fdpaq0580]

Creator must be all-knowing conscious being...therefore "Who" or "I-ness".

Why "must" a creator be all knowing, or even conscious? Humans create many things, as do other animals. We are not all knowing. Earth, fire, water, wind, the natural forces create but are neither all knowing or conscious. Why "must" there even be a creator? I have heard many times that the universe works like a fine watch, and that was their proof. Look at the universe. Chaos! Galaxies colliding. Stars exploding. Black holes sucking up everything that comes within their gravitational influence. The universe is more like the swirling chaos of an explosion, rather than a fine, smoothly running watch.

[Challenger]

Probably but alien intelligent life would probably avoid us as much as possible given the violence of the past 2000 years or so. They would keep eyes and ears on us. If and when we become a threat then they would make their presence better known.

Perhaps they would view us as a good source of protein !!!

[fdpaq0580]

Perhaps they would view us as a good source of protein !!!

Smothered in some Sweet Baby Ray's bbq sauce with collard greens and corn. Yum, yum!
👽

[Velvet]

Creator must be all-knowing conscious being...therefore "Who" or "I-ness"
Matter and anti-matter are not nothing...nothing cannot exist.
Something cannot magically appear from nothingness...Null and Infinity/eternity do not exist in physical reality.

In your definition. I think that we are all crippled by the smallness of our human minds and how far they stretch. Things we understand. We try to define the infinite in our own terms. In calculus, we approach limits. “Magic” is just a term to say we don’t understand something. I, personally, don’t accept the current limits of our knowledge as the be all and end all…. example, science keeps progressing, we keep “discovering” new things.

[Byte1]

The question was "what do you think happens to you when you die?"
Not, what is the universe or what is GOD, or are you more intelligent than some aliens from a Syfy movie.

What happens? What do I think?
You either go to Heaven or to Hell, period. Your choice, and only you are able to decide. It's not a threat, it's a promise. It's a 50/50 proposition. You either get it right or you don't. Whatever you think of your life right now, eternity can be hundred times better or a hundred times worse. And it ain't going to be over in 80 or 90 years. That's what I think. Of course, if I have been wrong all these years, I lose nothing. Why? Because if we only turn to worm food when we die, I have lost nothing.
By the way, if I am right (I am) then all those answers to the questions you all wonder about above, will be answered. If not, I guess the questions won't matter anymore.

[coffeebean]

Just like we do when we, you know?

Good one!!!!

[coffeebean]

Perhaps they would view us as a good source of protein !!!

But......I've "heard" we don't taste good.

[coffeebean]

The question was "what do you think happens to you when you die?"
Not, what is the universe or what is GOD, or are you more intelligent than some aliens from a Syfy movie.

What happens? What do I think?
You either go to Heaven or to Hell, period. Your choice, and only you are able to decide. It's not a threat, it's a promise. It's a 50/50 proposition. You either get it right or you don't. Whatever you think of your life right now, eternity can be hundred times better or a hundred times worse. And it ain't going to be over in 80 or 90 years. That's what I think. Of course, if I have been wrong all these years, I lose nothing. Why? Because if we only turn to worm food when we die, I have lost nothing.
By the way, if I am right (I am) then all those answers to the questions you all wonder about above, will be answered. If not, I guess the questions won't matter anymore.

How do you know you are right? Have you had an epiphany? Anyone from "beyond" come to you while you were AWAKE and tell you what there is beyond life? Any photographic evidence? Has anyone been privy to the beyond?

I don't think so. If there were a heaven or hell, there would be some sort of evidence. Right? That is why I believe heaven and hell is all bunk.

"The devil made me do it". Yeah right!!!

Everyone is entitled to their beliefs. I don't believe in God or the "beyond" or an after life. I know I am in the minority, especially around these parts. I do not begrudge anyone for their beliefs. What I do begrudge is someone, such as a cashier at a retail store, telling me "Have a blessed day". I say nothing. Just walk away wondering why they do not realize not everyone "believes".

[fdpaq0580]

But......I've "heard" we don't taste good.

"Long pig". That is what cannibals called their human food. We taste like pork. Or, so I have been told.
😏🍗

[Byte1]

How do you know you are right? Have you had an epiphany? Anyone from "beyond" come to you while you were AWAKE and tell you what there is beyond life? Any photographic evidence? Has anyone been privy to the beyond?

I don't think so. If there were a heaven or hell, there would be some sort of evidence. Right? That is why I believe heaven and hell is all bunk.

"The devil made me do it". Yeah right!!!

Everyone is entitled to their beliefs. I don't believe in God or the "beyond" or an after life. I know I am in the minority, especially around these parts. I do not begrudge anyone for their beliefs. What I do begrudge is someone, such as a cashier at a retail store, telling me "Have a blessed day". I say nothing. Just walk away wondering why they do not realize not everyone "believes".

You have a problem when someone wishes you a good day because of what they might believe? I don't have a problem when an atheist wishes me a good day. When I remember Jewish holidays, I try to greet my Jewish friends with the appropriate greeting, just as they wish me Merry Christmas during the holiday season. I wonder what is really behind folks getting upset when someone is kind to them and uses a religious greeting of good will.
Have a GREAT day. :wave:

[Boomer]

How do you know you are right? Have you had an epiphany? Anyone from "beyond" come to you while you were AWAKE and tell you what there is beyond life? Any photographic evidence? Has anyone been privy to the beyond?

I don't think so. If there were a heaven or hell, there would be some sort of evidence. Right? That is why I believe heaven and hell is all bunk.

"The devil made me do it". Yeah right!!!

Everyone is entitled to their beliefs. I don't believe in God or the "beyond" or an after life. I know I am in the minority, especially around these parts. I do not begrudge anyone for their beliefs. What I do begrudge is someone, such as a cashier at a retail store, telling me "Have a blessed day". I say nothing. Just walk away wondering why they do not realize not everyone "believes".


Good morning, coffeebean,

Although I see the flaws in organized religion, I remain a practicing Protestant — but I cannot comprehend certain churches where the sole — though they pretend it’s ‘soul’ — purpose is pounded into congregants by the “The Sermon on the Amount”…….

and all too often, the underlying — and not so underlying— misogyny and homophobia oozing from the pulpit. I also think churches that make politics a focus should lose their tax exempt status. But ( sigh) that ship has sailed.

But, per your comment about “a blessed day” — that does not offend me, but you wanna know what does…..

I about puke when I read posts that say, “Ohhhhh, we are so blessed to live in The Villages.” That kind of comment makes me think of that SNL “Church Lady” (Dana Carvey) doing the “Superior Dance”— perfect satire, illustrating one of the reasons organized religion keeps people out of a church community.

Good day, and back to topic now.

Boomer (who must be feeling like being a bit incendiary this morning)

[Byte1]

Good morning, coffeebean,

Although I see the flaws in organized religion, I remain a practicing Protestant — but I cannot comprehend certain churches where the sole — though they pretend it’s ‘soul’ — purpose is pounded into congregants by the “The Sermon on the Amount”…….

and all too often, the underlying — and not so underlying— misogyny and homophobia oozing from the pulpit. I also think churches that make politics a focus should lose their tax exempt status. But ( sigh) that ship has sailed.

But, per your comment about “a blessed day” — that does not offend me, but you wanna know what does…..

I about puke when I read posts that say, “Ohhhhh, we are so blessed to live in The Villages.” That kind of comment makes me think of that SNL “Church Lady” (Dana Carvey) doing the “Superior Dance”— perfect satire, illustrating one of the reasons organized religion keeps people out of a church community.

Good day, and back to topic now.

Boomer (who must be feeling like being a bit incendiary this morning)

I get what you are saying. I think that I probably feel the same way to a certain extent. I do not care for organized religion. Why? Well, because it makes me feel like the hypocrite that I am, when I look about me and realize that everyone there is also a hypocrite(my judging). I don't condemn religions because I see a place for them. I don't practice a particular religion. I honor a FAITH/Belief. To me religion is a discipline based on a belief/faith. Religion came AFTER belief. I won't disparage a religion, but I may not totally agree with their beliefs.
That said, I have no problem with someone saying that they feel "blessed" for one reason or another. I chose to move to the Villages, but I believe that I have been blessed to have been able to work hard enough to afford to live here. When I say I am "blessed" I believe it because I do not always think that I deserve some of the things I have, including a fantastic wife that has stayed with me for 50 years. When someone says "GOD bless you" I consider it to be a very nice thing for them to say to me. To me, it is the demeanor and intent when someone says it that makes it a compliment.
Sorry about veering off the subject about what we might think happens when we die. I gave my honest opinion, and someone took offense with my statement.

[Boomer]

I get what you are saying. I think that I probably feel the same way to a certain extent. I do not care for organized religion. Why? Well, because it makes me feel like the hypocrite that I am, when I look about me and realize that everyone there is also a hypocrite(my judging). I don't condemn religions because I see a place for them. I don't practice a particular religion. I honor a FAITH/Belief. To me religion is a discipline based on a belief/faith. Religion came AFTER belief. I won't disparage a religion, but I may not totally agree with their beliefs.
That said, I have no problem with someone saying that they feel "blessed" for one reason or another. I chose to move to the Villages, but I believe that I have been blessed to have been able to work hard enough to afford to live here. When I say I am "blessed" I believe it because I do not always think that I deserve some of the things I have, including a fantastic wife that has stayed with me for 50 years. When someone says "GOD bless you" I consider it to be a very nice thing for them to say to me. To me, it is the demeanor and intent when someone says it that makes it a compliment.
Sorry about veering off the subject about what we might think happens when we die. I gave my honest opinion, and someone took offense with my statement.


I think it’s OK to veer a little. I just see it as conversation. :)

Boomer

[Aces4]

Everyone is entitled to their beliefs. I don't believe in God or the "beyond" or an after life. I know I am in the minority, especially around these parts. I do not begrudge anyone for their beliefs. What I do begrudge is someone, such as a cashier at a retail store, telling me "Have a blessed day". I say nothing. Just walk away wondering why they do not realize not everyone "believes".

Wow, “have a blest day”, what are those people thinking? I don’t know how anyone can go on after being attacked with that simple wish!:shrug:

Now in all seriousness, imagine this earth without faith. If one thinks the religious wars throughout the early centuries were something, watch what happens should faith be erased. If one can’t see the evil and tyranny in the countries which ban faith, he is truly lacking clarity.:pray:

Be careful for which you wish!

[Velvet]

To me “blessed” simply means “lucky” and the person saying it just wishes me well. I’d rather hear that than swearing, any time. It’s a reflection on them, not me.

[fdpaq0580]

To me “blessed” simply means “lucky” and the person saying it just wishes me well. I’d rather hear that than swearing, any time. It’s a reflection on them, not me.

How about just a simple, "Thank you for stopping in"? Or even "Have a nice day", "Great day", "wonderful day".
What is wrong with a generic pleasantry?
To you blessed = lucky. Not to the person who said it to you. They have invoked their God (most likely, Jesus) to intervene in your life. They are ministering to you in a very small and subtle way. It seems so bland and innocent and harmless. But it can be seen by those of other faiths as an insult and worse.
Keep it business like and generic. "Bye". "Enjoy the rest of your day".

[PersonOfInterest]

You have a problem when someone wishes you a good day because of what they might believe? I don't have a problem when an atheist wishes me a good day. When I remember Jewish holidays, I try to greet my Jewish friends with the appropriate greeting, just as they wish me Merry Christmas during the holiday season. I wonder what is really behind folks getting upset when someone is kind to them and uses a religious greeting of good will.
Have a GREAT day. :wave:

May Allah be with you!

May Satan lick your soul today.


Would those be kind good greetings of good will to you? They are kind sayings if you are of the same belief. If your beliefs differ they can become offensive. Christians have a knack for thinking theirs is the only religion and their God is the one and only God. I'd love to see the reaction of a Christian being placed in a predominately Muslim environment or a Hindu environment. Would they then enjoy the religious greetings of goodwill they encountered?

[Byte1]

May Allah be with you!

May Satan lick your soul today.


Would those be kind good greetings of good will to you? They are kind sayings if you are of the same belief. If your beliefs differ they can become offensive. Christians have a knack for thinking theirs is the only religion and their God is the one and only God. I'd love to see the reaction of a Christian being placed in a predominately Muslim environment or a Hindu environment. Would they then enjoy the religious greetings of goodwill they encountered?

I guess this is what WOKE must be about. I've lived in Muslim countries and have never been insulted. Should I be? Guess I am not an easily offended type. As for the salutation related to Satan, I would have taken it as a joke.....still not offended.
Oh, and I have also lived in a Hindu country. Try being out and about during "Holi" ......it's a lark.

[Aces4]

How about just a simple, "Thank you for stopping in"? Or even "Have a nice day", "Great day", "wonderful day".
What is wrong with a generic pleasantry?
To you blessed = lucky. Not to the person who said it to you. They have invoked their God (most likely, Jesus) to intervene in your life. They are ministering to you in a very small and subtle way. It seems so bland and innocent and harmless. But it can be seen by those of other faiths as an insult and worse.
Keep it business like and generic. "Bye". "Enjoy the rest of your day".

Why say anything? A good grunt would suffice and it’s nobody’s business what the rest of my day should be like! :loco:

[Velvet]

So I give them slack, if a person would say, “May Allah bless you!” I would smile. Not because of Allah but because the person is wishing me well, the way they would like to be wished well. Especially if they were saying this while I was visiting a Muslim country. The golden rule applies; do onto others what you would have them do onto you. If it was a witch who talked about Satan, I still would think, well that’s what they probably hope for. Now if I was wearing a nun’s habit with a giant cross necklace when they said it, I maybe more suspicious….

[Byte1]

Why say anything? A good grunt would suffice and it’s nobody’s business what the rest of my day should be like! :loco:

And PLEASE don't smile when wishing someone a good day, because it might be offensive to some sensitive types.
To those that are offended when I say "Bless you" or "Merry Christmas" sue me. Maybe I am just too old to change my ways, even if I wished to.
But, the thread has strayed from the subject of what happens to you when you die.
"..faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen." In my opinion, without hope/faith what happens to you after you die wouldn't matter. It would mean that you could do whatever you wish without penalty. Without believing in an afterlife, life would be pretty simple and pretty miserable (in my opinion).

[chrissy2231]

How about just a simple, "Thank you for stopping in"? Or even "Have a nice day", "Great day", "wonderful day".
What is wrong with a generic pleasantry?
To you blessed = lucky. Not to the person who said it to you. They have invoked their God (most likely, Jesus) to intervene in your life. They are ministering to you in a very small and subtle way. It seems so bland and innocent and harmless. But it can be seen by those of other faiths as an insult and worse.
Keep it business like and generic. "Bye". "Enjoy the rest of your day".
Just like Merry Christmas

[MorTech]

Why "must" a creator be all knowing, or even conscious? Humans create many things, as do other animals. We are not all knowing. Earth, fire, water, wind, the natural forces create but are neither all knowing or conscious. Why "must" there even be a creator? I have heard many times that the universe works like a fine watch, and that was their proof. Look at the universe. Chaos! Galaxies colliding. Stars exploding. Black holes sucking up everything that comes within their gravitational influence. The universe is more like the swirling chaos of an explosion, rather than a fine, smoothly running watch.

There are only two things that exist in physical reality...mass/energy dynamic and consciousness. Consciousness is the controlling force in the universe...Therefore Consciousness is God. Consciousness evolves from the mass/energy dynamic (E=MC^2) as does all biolife. That is all that we know about the origin of existence.

"Creator" does not exist. How would Creator be created without a Creator?

[Velvet]

There are only two things that exist in physical reality...mass/energy dynamic and consciousness. Consciousness is the controlling force in the universe...Therefore Consciousness is God. Consciousness evolves from the mass/energy dynamic (E=MC^2) as does all biolife. That is all that we know about the origin of existence.

"Creator" does not exist. How would Creator be created without a Creator?

It sounds like you assume that the Creator must be part of creation and not outside of it.
‘In the beginning was the one who is called the Word. The Word was with God and was truly God’
So what could that Word have been? It could have been consciousness, it could have been energy. I think the Creator is that Word.

[rhood]

When you die, you don't know you are dead. The pain is felt by others. Same thing if you are stupid.

[fdpaq0580]

Just like Merry Christmas

Good Day!

[fdpaq0580]

it sounds like you assume that the creator must be part of creation and not outside of it.
‘in the beginning was the one who is called the word. The word was with god and was truly god’
so what could that word have been? It could have been consciousness, it could have been energy. I think the creator is that word.

"fire in the hole!"

[fdpaq0580]

Why say anything? A good grunt would suffice and it’s nobody’s business what the rest of my day should be like! :loco:

Going home after finding out I had cancer, stopped to pick up a couple things. At checkout, the bored and tired employee said, "Have a blest day", with the same enthusiasm that you would feel mentioning that you have a flat tire. She didn't mean it. It was what she was told to say. And I sure didn't feel "BLEST" that day. Quite the contrary.

[Richard Tahara]

If you believe in the after life, we don't actually die. We enter or transition into another state of being.

[PersonOfInterest]

If you believe in the after life, we don't actually die. We enter or transition into another state of being.

That would be nice. Do we get a body to go with it or are we just consciousness floating in space ?

[fdpaq0580]

If you believe in the after life, we don't actually die. We enter or transition into another state of being.

Yes. Like a sugar crystal dissolving in a cup of tea. Dispersed among the stars. Each atomic particle, each bit of energy blending with the whole of the universe.

[Byte1]

It sounds like you assume that the Creator must be part of creation and not outside of it.
‘In the beginning was the one who is called the Word. The Word was with God and was truly God’
So what could that Word have been? It could have been consciousness, it could have been energy. I think the Creator is that Word.

An interesting point, since you used the quote in reference to the "WORD" used in the Bible. Many Christians believe that the "WORD" is also synonymous and referencing the SON of GOD in spirit form. So, Jesus had many labels, one of them being the "WORD."

[Aces4]

Going home after finding out I had cancer, stopped to pick up a couple things. At checkout, the bored and tired employee said, "Have a blest day", with the same enthusiasm that you would feel mentioning that you have a flat tire. She didn't mean it. It was what she was told to say. And I sure didn't feel "BLEST" that day. Quite the contrary.


At this point in our lives, sadly most of us have had our own crisis or family crisis with which to deal at one time or another.

That “bored, tired”, (in your opinion), person may have been dealing with an even larger crisis than yours. Extra kindness from your side of the register may have made a difference for her and you may be surprised what it can do for you. Unless someone is being intentional cruel, I try to give them the benefit of the doubt. We can’t change everyone in the world.

[MorTech]

It sounds like you assume that the Creator must be part of creation and not outside of it.
‘In the beginning was the one who is called the Word. The Word was with God and was truly God’
So what could that Word have been? It could have been consciousness, it could have been energy. I think the Creator is that Word.

It sounds like you assume there was an imaginary "Nothingness" and then a "Beginning" somehow occurred and "One" appeared via magic when there was not a "One" to perform the magic.

[MorTech]

Why say anything? A good grunt would suffice and it’s nobody’s business what the rest of my day should be like! :loco:

LOL! Especially because it's forced and insincere. It's like a mocking lie :)

[MorTech]

But......I've "heard" we don't taste good.

Humans are too salty and Vegans are too gamey.

[fdpaq0580]

Humans are too salty and Vegans are too gamey.

Wait! Are you saying Vegans are not Human? WOW!
😱

[Velvet]

It sounds like you assume there was an imaginary "Nothingness" and then a "Beginning" somehow occurred and "One" appeared via magic when there was not a "One" to perform the magic.

I follow what you are saying, I think … and I accept your understanding, it is your truth. Nice discussion.

[MorTech]

Wait! Are you saying Vegans are not Human? WOW!
😱

That is correct :) Was A. Robustus human? :)

[jimschlaefer]

A Poem to Live By

“So live your life that the fear of death can never enter your heart.
Trouble no one about their religion; respect others in their view, and demand that they respect yours.
Love your life, perfect your life, beautify all things in your life. Seek to make your life long and its purpose in the service of your people.
Prepare a noble death song for the day when you go over the great divide.
Always give a word or a sign of salute when meeting or passing a friend, even a stranger, when in a lonely place.
Show respect to all people and grovel to none.
When you arise in the morning give thanks for the food and for the joy of living. If you see no reason for giving thanks, the fault lies only in yourself.
Abuse no one and no thing, for abuse turns the wise ones to fools and robs the spirit of its vision.
When it comes your time to die, be not like those whose hearts are filled with the fear of death, so that when their time comes they weep and pray for a little more time to live their lives over again in a different way. Sing your death song and die like a hero going home.”

– Tecumseh, Native American warrior and leader of the Shawnee

[Aces4]

A Poem to Live By

“So live your life that the fear of death can never enter your heart.
Trouble no one about their religion; respect others in their view, and demand that they respect yours.
Love your life, perfect your life, beautify all things in your life. Seek to make your life long and its purpose in the service of your people.
Prepare a noble death song for the day when you go over the great divide.
Always give a word or a sign of salute when meeting or passing a friend, even a stranger, when in a lonely place.
Show respect to all people and grovel to none.
When you arise in the morning give thanks for the food and for the joy of living. If you see no reason for giving thanks, the fault lies only in yourself.
Abuse no one and no thing, for abuse turns the wise ones to fools and robs the spirit of its vision.
When it comes your time to die, be not like those whose hearts are filled with the fear of death, so that when their time comes they weep and pray for a little more time to live their lives over again in a different way. Sing your death song and die like a hero going home.”

– Tecumseh, Native American warrior and leader of the Shawnee

He was one wise Indian, it appears.

[fdpaq0580]

At this point in our lives, sadly most of us have had our own crisis or family crisis with which to deal at one time or another.

That “bored, tired”, (in your opinion), person may have been dealing with an even larger crisis than yours. Extra kindness from your side of the register may have made a difference for her and you may be surprised what it can do for you. Unless someone is being intentional cruel, I try to give them the benefit of the doubt. We can’t change everyone in the world.

Actually, "bored and tired" was giving her the benefit of the doubt. My opinion, for certain. There are times in life when life seems to lose its luster. When your cup of human kindness curdles.

[fdpaq0580]

That would be nice. Do we get a body to go with it or are we just consciousness floating in space ?

Sorry. No body. And no consciousness either.

[coffeebean]

You have a problem when someone wishes you a good day because of what they might believe? I don't have a problem when an atheist wishes me a good day. When I remember Jewish holidays, I try to greet my Jewish friends with the appropriate greeting, just as they wish me Merry Christmas during the holiday season. I wonder what is really behind folks getting upset when someone is kind to them and uses a religious greeting of good will.
Have a GREAT day. :wave:

When someone says, "Have a blessed day", that is not the same as saying "Have a good day". Not to me it isn't.

[coffeebean]

Good morning, coffeebean,

Although I see the flaws in organized religion, I remain a practicing Protestant — but I cannot comprehend certain churches where the sole — though they pretend it’s ‘soul’ — purpose is pounded into congregants by the “The Sermon on the Amount”…….

and all too often, the underlying — and not so underlying— misogyny and homophobia oozing from the pulpit. I also think churches that make politics a focus should lose their tax exempt status. But ( sigh) that ship has sailed.

But, per your comment about “a blessed day” — that does not offend me, but you wanna know what does…..

I about puke when I read posts that say, “Ohhhhh, we are so blessed to live in The Villages.” That kind of comment makes me think of that SNL “Church Lady” (Dana Carvey) doing the “Superior Dance”— perfect satire, illustrating one of the reasons organized religion keeps people out of a church community.

Good day, and back to topic now.

Boomer (who must be feeling like being a bit incendiary this morning)

Thank you, Boomer!

[coffeebean]

I think it’s OK to veer a little. I just see it as conversation. :)

Boomer

Very true. That is how conversations evolve. Happens all the time when conversing in person.