Accident at Buena Vista - 446A [Archive] - Talk of The Villages Florida

Happydaz

11-01-2022, 10:51 AM

Left turning cars are one of the most common causes of accidents between a car and a motorcycle. The auto driver either doesn’t see the motorcyclist or doesn’t gauge the speed correctly and enters into a left turn across the oncoming traffic and hits the motorcyclist. If motorcyclists run their high beams in the daytime oncoming traffic may see them better and may hesitate before crossing in front of them. As a motorcyclist you have to enter every intersection with your hand over the brake and look at every car as a threat and expect some of them to pull out in front of you.

drbales

11-01-2022, 11:44 AM

All major intersections in the Villages area need to ban turning left on green and only allow with the turn arrow. This intersection is a problem when turning left from any direction.

villagetinker

11-01-2022, 12:12 PM

all major intersections in the villages area need to ban turning left on green and only allow with the turn arrow. This intersection is a problem when turning left from any direction.

amen.

Bill14564

11-01-2022, 12:46 PM

All major intersections in the Villages area need to ban turning left on green and only allow with the turn arrow. This intersection is a problem when turning left from any direction.

Disagree. Never liked the idea of catering to the lowest common denominator. Teach people to drive correctly, DEMAND that they drive correctly, but don't punish us all for the inadequacies of the few.

In another thread there is talk of changing the inefficient timing of the lights at Lake Sumter. Now this comment wants to make all intersections less efficient by requiring me to wait for my light to cycle rather than turning left across an empty road.

I appreciated the flashing yellow heading south from Morse onto 44. That's gone now.

gurnee_steve

11-01-2022, 01:13 PM

I appreciate all the input. Here’s what happened:
I was westbound on 466A going to turn left onto Buena Vista. I was the first car in line and I was a car length into the intersection. Traffic was heavy and I waited for the light to turn yellow. When it did I proceed slowly as the oncoming traffic came to a stop. I then, still carefully, proceeded to make the turn. Suddenly my passenger door exploded with a crash. I don’t know where he came from but he was driving very fast, judging by the damage. After the light turned yellow it was 5-6 seconds later that I was struck. It was NOT as the paper said that it was a green light and I failed to yield. I would very much like someone that saw the accident to verify my account.

Taltarzac725

11-01-2022, 01:21 PM

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You should talk to a lawyer and not post stuff about the accident on social media.

Babubhat

11-01-2022, 01:30 PM

All vehicles need cameras. Spend 30 bucks on Amazon. It saved me from a traffic violator. Other party flat out lied and caved when insurance got video,
Disgusted the other party does not get charged with false police statements

gurnee_steve

11-01-2022, 02:20 PM

Although I appreciate the advise, I am really looking for a witness.

mikeycereal

11-01-2022, 02:44 PM

2nd case of auto accident lying that I heard in 1 week. Friend just told us a story about a young girl hitting their car with her mom's car who after hitting her came out of the car and asked if she was all right. Young girl admitted it was her fault, then called her mom (who was a paralegal), then changed her story not admitting to fault. Mom advised her what to say. Be careful out there, get written statements if you can, or quickly record their confession if possible. People BS to get out of paying and it just isn't right. While this doesn't assist the OP question, whoever reading keep this in mind. You should never have to pay for someone else's mistake involving damage to your vehicle or yourself.

My sister replied to her story saying last time someone caused an accident to her car she quickly grabbed a witness and took their info. Whatever you can do in the quickest amount of time to help your case. Just figure that they're gonna lie at some point.

Chi-Town

11-01-2022, 02:59 PM

Second that idea about left turns on signal only. Anyone expecting drivers to adhere to the rules of the road as the Bible is deluded.

bagboy

11-01-2022, 03:04 PM

There seems to be several unbiased witnesses. Law enforcement is pretty good at getting to the facts.

ThirdOfFive

11-01-2022, 03:13 PM

It's the reason I sold my bike within a month after having it shipped here. I had more close calls in that month than in the previous five years in Minnesota.

I am a strong advocate of

1) Driver's license renewal after age 60 every two years rather than every eight as it is now;

2) periodic testing (road and general knowledge) for every driver's license renewal after age 60; and

3) Strong enforcement of traffic laws AND more stringent penalties for those who violate them. The "punishment" doled out in Florida for violation of traffic laws would be laughable in just about every other state.

Bill14564

11-01-2022, 03:40 PM

Second that idea about left turns on signal only. Anyone expecting drivers to adhere to the rules of the road as the Bible is deluded.

But in this case, if the OP's story is accurate, the problem wasn't the left turn it was the other driver running a red light. I've experienced that, though as a near miss, and can believe it.

retiredguy123

11-01-2022, 03:52 PM

The other Villages' news site has information about that crash with pictures.
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JSR22

11-01-2022, 04:01 PM

Not anymore

It is still there. Now on the 2nd page

Mrs.Guy

11-01-2022, 04:03 PM

Not anymore

:confused: What did I just look at and read? :shrug:

Velvet

11-01-2022, 04:07 PM

OMG, from the photo - the motorcyclist had enough room to swerve! He is young and perhaps hasn‘t been taught defensive riding. Doesn’t matter what light, as a rider you avoid anything in front of you.

retiredguy123

11-01-2022, 04:17 PM

It is still there. Now on the 2nd page
Sorry. It was moved down from the top story.

charlieo1126@gmail.com

11-01-2022, 04:47 PM

Disagree. Never liked the idea of catering to the lowest common denominator. Teach people to drive correctly, DEMAND that they drive correctly, but don't punish us all for the inadequacies of the few.

In another thread there is talk of changing the inefficient timing of the lights at Lake Sumter. Now this comment wants to make all intersections less efficient by requiring me to wait for my light to cycle rather than turning left across an empty road.

I appreciated the flashing yellow heading south from Morse onto 44. That's gone now.your correct there is absolutely nothing wrong with making the left turn if you do it the way your supposed to . The rule works everywhere in USA , but we should have to change it here, just like the roundabouts , , and don’t get me started on how many times I’ve had to honk my horn because people won’t turn right on red , FYI the guy who wants the rule changes for over 60 drivers should just pay attention to his own driving ,I’m in Orlando 3or 4 nights a month and driving back at all hours , I’m still going up to ocala to eat some nights and I drive to Miami every 4 or 5 weeks , I’m 83 no tickets and knock on wood no accidents , worry about your own driving and I’ll do the same

charlieo1126@gmail.com

11-01-2022, 04:51 PM

But in this case, if the OP's story is accurate, the problem wasn't the left turn it was the other driver running a red light. I've experienced that, though as a near miss, and can believe it. hmmmm sounds like lawyers pleading there clients case in the papers before the trial . I mean who does this , pleading your case on a talk site

retiredguy123

11-01-2022, 05:01 PM

One problem is that people know that, if you are turning left when the light is yellow and it turns red, you still have 3 or 4 seconds before the oncoming traffic will get a green light. So, some people will play the odds and assume that they have time to make the turn on red.

Stu from NYC

11-01-2022, 05:58 PM

your correct there is absolutely nothing wrong with making the left turn if you do it the way your supposed to . The rule works everywhere in USA , but we should have to change it here, just like the roundabouts , , and don’t get me started on how many times I’ve had to honk my horn because people won’t turn right on red , FYI the guy who wants the rule changes for over 60 drivers should just pay attention to his own driving ,I’m in Orlando 3or 4 nights a month and driving back at all hours , I’m still going up to ocala to eat some nights and I drive to Miami every 4 or 5 weeks , I’m 83 no tickets and knock on wood no accidents , worry about your own driving and I’ll do the same

Very well said

Pairadocs

11-01-2022, 08:45 PM

The other Villages' news site has information about that crash with pictures.

What is the other side of the villages ? You mean the Daily Sin ? Or does T V's have another site too ?

golfing eagles

11-01-2022, 08:52 PM

The OP has stated he is OK. The details of the accident appear to be in dispute. But more important, is there any word on the motorcyclist?

Taltarzac725

11-01-2022, 09:07 PM

What is the other side of the villages ? You mean the Daily Sin ? Or does T V's have another site too ?

It is a computer news source for the Villages. Links from TOTV to it do not work.

Bill14564

11-01-2022, 09:31 PM

The OP has stated he is OK. The details of the accident appear to be in dispute. But more important, is there any word on the motorcyclist?

FWIW, FB posts don't sound good.

Rainger99

11-02-2022, 03:28 AM

Aren’t there cameras at that intersection?

Chi-Town

11-02-2022, 07:29 AM

My point was that a left turn on arrow only eliminates the need to enter an intersection and wait for oncoming traffic to clear before completing the turn. There would be no discussion here if that were this case.

ThirdOfFive

11-02-2022, 07:31 AM

Jawohl, mein Fuhrer
Vielen Dank. Damit legen wir gleich los.

I've often wondered just how many people see driving as some kind of inalienable right. It isn't, you know. It is a PRIVILEGE granted to you by the laws of whatever state you're living in. You pass a written test (once) to show that you understand the laws, you take a road test (once, in most cases) to show your competency, and the State issues you a little card saying that you have the right to drive on their roads.

It can be a problem, though. Competencies start failing as we age, and possibly moving from a state with relatively unchallenging driving (South Dakota, for example) to Florida where a sort of wild-west ethic seems to reign on the crowded roadways can be especially challenging. Maybe our skills were good enough for South Dakota. But Florida? Add to that the fact that state driving laws vary by state, sometimes significantly.

I doubt anyone here can deny that driving skills as exemplified in TV are pretty suspect; often dangerous, and even deadly. The ONLY way to effectively control that is periodic testing, and denial of license if we don't measure up.

VApeople

11-02-2022, 10:15 AM

don’t get me started on how many times I’ve had to honk my horn because people won’t turn right on red

Do you think all of your silly honking has any effect on the person who doesn't want to turn right on a red light?

In my case, sometimes I turn right on red and sometimes I don't feel like it.

golfing eagles

11-02-2022, 10:32 AM

retiredguy123

11-02-2022, 10:33 AM

GoPacers

11-02-2022, 12:25 PM

Doesn't everyone just love people who make up their own rules and then shove them down your throat??????:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Right turn on red is "allowed" but is not a rule. Nobody is going to cause an accident if they don't turn on red.

Honk away.

golfing eagles

11-02-2022, 12:29 PM

Right turn on red is "allowed" but is not a rule. Nobody is going to cause an accident if they don't turn on red.

Honk away.

Correct----you are not required by law to turn on red, but it is pretty much the norm as well as common courtesy.

You are not required by law to cover your mouth when coughing or sneezing either, nor does the law required you to hold your flatulence until you exit the elevator.

So most of us will continue to "honk away", incessantly, until they get the hint.

retiredguy123

11-02-2022, 12:39 PM

Correct----you are not required by law to turn on red, but it is pretty much the norm as well as common courtesy.

You are not required by law to cover your mouth when coughing or sneezing either, nor does the law required you to hold your flatulence until you exit the elevator.

So most of us will continue to "honk away", incessantly, until they get the hint.
So, a driver has the right to not turn on red, but the driver behind him/her has the right to honk. Got it.

VApeople

11-02-2022, 12:46 PM

It depends on the person you are honking at.

Yeah, you are correct.

Driving thru roundabouts, I always have one hand on the horn and I honk at people a lot, especially if they do not yield when I have the right-of-way.

Sometimes they ignore me, but usually they pay attention and yield to me. If they ignore me, I let them go, but I keep honking until they are out of earshot. I have never come close to hitting anyone.

mikeycereal

11-02-2022, 12:51 PM

Ah some of my favorite people on the road are the ones in the far right lane sitting at the red light while it is legal and clear to go but wait for the green before turning right.

I'd watch your honking though, these days goofballs shoot other drivers for just the slightest things, like windshield washer fluid sprinkling water onto their car.

VApeople

11-02-2022, 12:58 PM

Ah some of my favorite people on the road are the ones in the far right lane sitting at the red light while it is legal and clear to go but wait for the green before turning right.

I am one of your favorite people.

I often leave Osceola Hills, drive south on Morse, and turn right on Route 44.

If the stop light is red at 44, I wait in the right lane until it turns green.

golfing eagles

11-02-2022, 01:07 PM

I am one of your favorite people.

I often leave Osceola Hills, drive south on Morse, and turn right on Route 44.

If the stop light is red at 44, I wait in the right lane until it turns green.

My first question was going to be "why"?

But let me move that to second, the first now being: Does anyone who actually does that have even the most miniscule of driving skills whatsoever, and do they consider themselves a hazardous obstruction on the roadways as they should?

ohioshooter

11-02-2022, 01:25 PM

OP, were you cited? If what you say is true, I hope you find someone that can verify that. As a person that rode motorcycles for over 50 years, I don’t always side with the rider. I see so many new riders riding above their ability and going too fast for the circumstances. With that said, my biggest fear as a rider was some old person turning in front of me. I quit riding at 72, back problems. Good luck.

Mrs.Guy

11-02-2022, 01:47 PM

My first question was going to be "why"?

But let me move that to second, the first now being: Does anyone who actually does that have even the most miniscule of driving skills whatsoever, and do they consider themselves a hazardous obstruction on the roadways as they should?

:oops: A little insight into how this person thinks: FROM THE BELT LADY THREAD - "Things like this irritate me."

"I might have stood there for a couple hours arguing with her and saying how unhappy I was with the product she was selling and I would keep asking for my money back. During my diatribe, she would probably not make any sales.

In any confrontation, physical or verbal, the goal is to cause the other person more unhappiness than they cause you."

Can we spell G-R-U-M-P-Y O-L-D M-A-N? :sad:

golfing eagles

11-02-2022, 01:51 PM

:oops: A little insight into how this person thinks: FROM THE BELT LADY THREAD - "Things like this irritate me."

"I might have stood there for a couple hours arguing with her and saying how unhappy I was with the product she was selling and I would keep asking for my money back. During my diatribe, she would probably not make any sales.

In any confrontation, physical or verbal, the goal is to cause the other person more unhappiness than they cause you."

Can we spell G-R-U-M-P-Y O-L-D M-A-N? :sad:

I'm not sure I understand where you were going with this

charlieo1126@gmail.com

11-02-2022, 02:02 PM

Do you think all of your silly honking has any effect on the person who doesn't want to turn right on a red light?

In my case, sometimes I turn right on red and sometimes I don't feel like it.I do it once because some people either are not looking or don’t know they can do it ,it works they move , should I sit there and wait through a whole traffic cycle so not to offend them . I am not surprised at all by your statement , after reading many of your posts

mikeycereal

11-02-2022, 02:08 PM

I'm not sure I understand where you were going with this

I think she may be pointing to the poster just wanting to annoy people either here or on the road. But I agree with you.. why? Why wait if they are clear to go? Only thing I come up with is that in some states they have to stop on red and wait no matter. So it's habit, ignorance, or whatever else when they do that in states that allow you to turn right. But there are some signs for that in a few places that specifically tell you to wait for green even when turning right. In Vegas it was a double lane going right that had the stop & wait for green at the intersection. Probably for safety but that I get.

I used to just lightly tap the horn when I came across one of "those people." Most appear to wake up and go like they should. But these days like I mentioned... the easily offended may be armed.