Mind-Boggling

[Jerry101]

I don’t post often. I really detest the debate between all of the ‘smartest kids in the class’ this site features … yet here I go into the deep end. I work part time in The Villages. I made that point clear to both the multiple Community Watch employees that I talked to as well as to the man who leads that group … only as a reference that I too am employed here. The issue is the area on Morse Blvd. approaching 466 traveling south. Before Morse splits from 2 lanes to 4 … getting closer to 466 (prior to Hurricane Ian) there have always been gate arms … it’s purpose I think is to slow traffic approaching a dangerous intersection. Those gate arms haven’t returned. They placed 1 stop sign on the right side of the road. An hour after my 1st call to Community Watch a stop sign was added on the left side. The problem… no one stops. I have literally watched ( from my golf cart in a safe distance from that area) well over 100 cars travel through without braking let alone stop. I stop … and several times have had tailgaters to have to apply their brakes in a hurry! It’s a bad accident waiting to happen! Shame on Community Watch for not doing a better job at monitoring and remedying that part of Morse! Have at it.

[shut the front door]

There have been articles on various sites explaining that they are changing out the card readers, therefore numerous gates would be down.

[Taltarzac725]

They rarely stopped on Belvedere near the Villages High School during the recent days when there was no gate just one and then two stop signs. Cars ahead of me just went on through. I would stop. But then the cars behind me would also go through without any kind of stop.

[fdpaq0580]

There have been articles on various sites explaining that they are changing out the card readers, therefore numerous gates would be down.

True, but, OP has a point. When a traffic signal or other traffic safety device is out of service, other means of traffic control are employed, such as uniformed officers or mobile traffic lights and cameras. The Little stop signs are ok if someone is working on the gates, but they are otherwise useless.

[Mrs.Guy]

I don’t post often. I really detest the debate between all of the ‘smartest kids in the class’ this site features … yet here I go into the deep end. I work part time in The Villages. I made that point clear to both the multiple Community Watch employees that I talked to as well as to the man who leads that group … only as a reference that I too am employed here. The issue is the area on Morse Blvd. approaching 466 traveling south. Before Morse splits from 2 lanes to 4 … getting closer to 466 (prior to Hurricane Ian) there have always been gate arms … it’s purpose I think is to slow traffic approaching a dangerous intersection. Those gate arms haven’t returned. They placed 1 stop sign on the right side of the road. An hour after my 1st call to Community Watch a stop sign was added on the left side. The problem… no one stops. I have literally watched ( from my golf cart in a safe distance from that area) well over 100 cars travel through without braking let alone stop. I stop … and several times have had tailgaters to have to apply their brakes in a hurry! It’s a bad accident waiting to happen! Shame on Community Watch for not doing a better job at monitoring and remedying that part of Morse! Have at it.

:confused: How about shame on the people that don't STOP?

[JGibson]

Another problem is the gates are to close to the intersections this is throughout TV. It doesn't take much for traffic to back up into the intersections, especially if big trucks are involved.

[Oneiric]

I don’t post often. I really detest the debate between all of the ‘smartest kids in the class’ this site features … yet here I go into the deep end. I work part time in The Villages. I made that point clear to both the multiple Community Watch employees that I talked to as well as to the man who leads that group … only as a reference that I too am employed here. The issue is the area on Morse Blvd. approaching 466 traveling south. Before Morse splits from 2 lanes to 4 … getting closer to 466 (prior to Hurricane Ian) there have always been gate arms … it’s purpose I think is to slow traffic approaching a dangerous intersection. Those gate arms haven’t returned. They placed 1 stop sign on the right side of the road. An hour after my 1st call to Community Watch a stop sign was added on the left side. The problem… no one stops. I have literally watched ( from my golf cart in a safe distance from that area) well over 100 cars travel through without braking let alone stop. I stop … and several times have had tailgaters to have to apply their brakes in a hurry! It’s a bad accident waiting to happen! Shame on Community Watch for not doing a better job at monitoring and remedying that part of Morse! Have at it.

It would be more logical to have SLOW signs with cones rather than STOP which will just potentially cause rear ending.

[Fused Glass]

Why not just eliminate them (stop signs) and the guards since they all are useless.

[Dilligas]

I don’t post often. I really detest the debate between all of the ‘smartest kids in the class’ this site features … yet here I go into the deep end. I work part time in The Villages. I made that point clear to both the multiple Community Watch employees that I talked to as well as to the man who leads that group … only as a reference that I too am employed here. The issue is the area on Morse Blvd. approaching 466 traveling south. Before Morse splits from 2 lanes to 4 … getting closer to 466 (prior to Hurricane Ian) there have always been gate arms … it’s purpose I think is to slow traffic approaching a dangerous intersection. Those gate arms haven’t returned. They placed 1 stop sign on the right side of the road. An hour after my 1st call to Community Watch a stop sign was added on the left side. The problem… no one stops. I have literally watched ( from my golf cart in a safe distance from that area) well over 100 cars travel through without braking let alone stop. I stop … and several times have had tailgaters to have to apply their brakes in a hurry! It’s a bad accident waiting to happen! Shame on Community Watch for not doing a better job at monitoring and remedying that part of Morse! Have at it.
First problem is why the gate arms are down so long (many days)? Going south at that gate, people have no reason to stop, like other gates, as there is no multimodal crossing after the gate (all cross north of the gate), only CR466 lights. Fix gates one direction and one location at a time, so arms are only inoperable while lane is blocked for the repair.

[JGibson]

I suggested aggressive speed bumps in lieu of gates, most folks don't want to bottom out their car and it gives the camera enough time to do it's thing????? Thoughts?

[ThirdOfFive]

I suggested aggressive speed bumps in lieu of gates, most folks don't want to bottom out their car and it gives the camera enough time to do it's thing????? Thoughts?
It wouldn't take long for people to get the hint. One or two good bounces would do it.

The same problem existed at the El Santiago/El Diablo starter shack area. It runs two adjacent courses so there was probably twice as much cart traffic there as at (assumedly) other starter shacks. There were always the cowboys who could come blowing through there heedless of any other cart (or human) traffic, and as I understand it a lot of close calls (maybe some accidents too). But they did the trick. Cart traffic has slowed waaaaay down there.

[Bluerosy]

Hi Drivers in golf carts do not stop for stop signs here in Orange Blossom. The 4 way stop by the Church they go right through as if the stop sign isn’t there. Very dangerous for sure. Even the cars go through the stop sign where the gate is down. An accident just waiting to happen for sure. Please we all need to stop completely if you have a stop sign Not just roll on through. Be safe

[ThirdOfFive]

I don’t post often. I really detest the debate between all of the ‘smartest kids in the class’ this site features … yet here I go into the deep end. I work part time in The Villages. I made that point clear to both the multiple Community Watch employees that I talked to as well as to the man who leads that group … only as a reference that I too am employed here. The issue is the area on Morse Blvd. approaching 466 traveling south. Before Morse splits from 2 lanes to 4 … getting closer to 466 (prior to Hurricane Ian) there have always been gate arms … it’s purpose I think is to slow traffic approaching a dangerous intersection. Those gate arms haven’t returned. They placed 1 stop sign on the right side of the road. An hour after my 1st call to Community Watch a stop sign was added on the left side. The problem… no one stops. I have literally watched ( from my golf cart in a safe distance from that area) well over 100 cars travel through without braking let alone stop. I stop … and several times have had tailgaters to have to apply their brakes in a hurry! It’s a bad accident waiting to happen! Shame on Community Watch for not doing a better job at monitoring and remedying that part of Morse! Have at it.
You might want to give the V i l l a g e s - N e w s discussion groups a try.

It's a bit less "cerebral" over there.

[rsmurano]

Fire trucks and ambulances don’t like speed bumps.
For weeks now, the attendants on moyer loop are waving people thru the gate without stopping which is dangerous with golf cart traffic right after the gate because going north bound, the gate keepers shack hides the traffic from the golf cart driver

[mtomlinson]

This is also a golf cart community. That gate has always been a problem for southbound golf carts at busy times. Sitting in the middle awaiting a gap in the peak traffic and having to dash across when there is the hint of a gap was bad enough when the gates were in use. With no stopping of the northbound traffic, it will be almost impossible to cross in a golf cart. Yes, I know they don't want traffic backing up onto 466 but if hey let 2 residents through to every one visitor it would create better gaps for golf carts to cross. I look forward to the common sense responses as well as the comedians.

[NoMo50]

There have been articles on various sites explaining that they are changing out the card readers, therefore numerous gates would be down.

What has been reported is there will be a software change, not the readers themselves. That should not necessitate the gate arms being down for weeks.

[midiwiz]

I suggested aggressive speed bumps in lieu of gates, most folks don't want to bottom out their car and it gives the camera enough time to do it's thing????? Thoughts?

it doesn't require agressive speed bumps..... speed humps are much more effective on the vehicle suspension without breaking rims and such. go take a well laid speed hump at 15 or 20 sometime and enjoy the ride..... not good.

[Stu from NYC]

I suggested aggressive speed bumps in lieu of gates, most folks don't want to bottom out their car and it gives the camera enough time to do it's thing????? Thoughts?

Terrible idea hate speed bumps. Not to mention slow down fire trucks and ambulances? Why would you want to do that.

[ThirdOfFive]

Terrible idea hate speed bumps. Not to mention slow down fire trucks and ambulances? Why would you want to do that.
Well, speed bumps just might help to cut back on the NEED for ambulances.

[dewilson58]

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm.


You contend the issue is at the point where the road splits from 2 to 4 lanes, no gate and no one stops @ sign.

How is this any different than many, many other intersections when a road splits from 2 to 3 or 4 lanes???

Example: Right at the same intersection.......466 traveling East or West, the road splits from two lanes and there are no gates prior to the split (& no stop signs).

:shrug:

:popcorn::popcorn:

[Steve]

I don’t post often. I really detest the debate between all of the ‘smartest kids in the class’ this site features … yet here I go into the deep end. I work part time in The Villages. I made that point clear to both the multiple Community Watch employees that I talked to as well as to the man who leads that group … only as a reference that I too am employed here. The issue is the area on Morse Blvd. approaching 466 traveling south. Before Morse splits from 2 lanes to 4 … getting closer to 466 (prior to Hurricane Ian) there have always been gate arms … it’s purpose I think is to slow traffic approaching a dangerous intersection. Those gate arms haven’t returned. They placed 1 stop sign on the right side of the road. An hour after my 1st call to Community Watch a stop sign was added on the left side. The problem… no one stops. I have literally watched ( from my golf cart in a safe distance from that area) well over 100 cars travel through without braking let alone stop. I stop … and several times have had tailgaters to have to apply their brakes in a hurry! It’s a bad accident waiting to happen! Shame on Community Watch for not doing a better job at monitoring and remedying that part of Morse! Have at it.

We had the same situation at both ends of Southern Trace. But as of yesterday the new company has replaced the gate arms at both locations. Have a little patience. There are a lot of gate arms and other hardware that need to be transitioned. It just didn't make sense to replace damaged or missing hardware that was going to be replaced anyway.

[togabill]

Jerry, you make too much sense!

[ex34449]

When and how bad was the last wreck there? If bad or often, put up a new gate or light. If nothing... take all the useless crap drown as it obviously isn't needed to maintain a safe flow of traffic.

[Jerry101]

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm.


You contend the issue is at the point where the road splits from 2 to 4 lanes, no gate and no one stops @ sign.

How is this any different than many, many other intersections when a road splits from 2 to 3 or 4 lanes???

Example: Right at the same intersection.......466 traveling East or West, the road splits from two lanes and there are no gates prior to the split (& no stop signs).

:shrug:

:popcorn::popcorn:

… the issue is ‘stop signs’ that few are adhering to … I also think they should remove them … it is an accident waiting to happen.

[dewilson58]

… the issue is ‘stop signs’ that few are adhering to … I also think they should remove them … it is an accident waiting to happen.

"Removing a stop sign because most people don't stop"..................not a good concept.

[beaglebrain]

I don’t post often. I really detest the debate between all of the ‘smartest kids in the class’ this site features … yet here I go into the deep end. I work part time in The Villages. I made that point clear to both the multiple Community Watch employees that I talked to as well as to the man who leads that group … only as a reference that I too am employed here. The issue is the area on Morse Blvd. approaching 466 traveling south. Before Morse splits from 2 lanes to 4 … getting closer to 466 (prior to Hurricane Ian) there have always been gate arms … it’s purpose I think is to slow traffic approaching a dangerous intersection. Those gate arms haven’t returned. They placed 1 stop sign on the right side of the road. An hour after my 1st call to Community Watch a stop sign was added on the left side. The problem… no one stops. I have literally watched ( from my golf cart in a safe distance from that area) well over 100 cars travel through without braking let alone stop. I stop … and several times have had tailgaters to have to apply their brakes in a hurry! It’s a bad accident waiting to happen! Shame on Community Watch for not doing a better job at monitoring and remedying that part of Morse! Have at it.

An observation: In Denver, and possibly other places, stop lights are installed on entrances to expressways. They are red when a vehicle approaches and then turn green long enough to allow the vehicle through. After the vehicle leaves, they turn red until another vehicle arrives. They stay red for a few seconds. Not sure if cameras are involved or tickets are issued but the Denver folks obey these to the letter.

[Jokomo]

True, but, OP has a point. When a traffic signal or other traffic safety device is out of service, other means of traffic control are employed, such as uniformed officers or mobile traffic lights and cameras. The Little stop signs are ok if someone is working on the gates, but they are otherwise useless.

The stop signs are only “useless” because we’ve become a community of law breakers in every small way possible. The “rules don’t apply to me” mentality is pervasive here. Try and drive 35 mph on Buena Vista or Morse south of 466. Bikers run every stop sign and some red lights. Carts are speeding and driving aggressively on the cart paths. Lawn ornaments are pervasive and now political signs are popping up in scattered locations. Every one of these examples show a deliberate and intentional violation of the laws and rules we agreed to. Each separate act contributes to the decline and collapse of our community.

[Jerry101]

"Removing a stop sign because most people don't stop"..................not a good concept.

… the stop signs are really not necessary at that location… I just drove thru that area 15 minutes ago. None of the 7 cars ahead of me stopped. The ‘guy’ behind me stopped. The other three didn’t. I don’t feel safe stopping … but I do. I’d love to see Sumter County enforce it … write some tickets… get the word out that running the stop could be costly.

[dewilson58]

… I don’t feel safe stopping … but I do.

Well the good thing is........................if you were going 30 mph, decelerating up to the stop sign, applying brakes gently and your brake lights work...................and if the driver behind you is not paying attention..............it should be nothing more than a minor bump.

:angel:

[jneibert]

There have been articles on various sites explaining that they are changing out the card readers, therefore numerous gates would be down.

The gate arms in question are not affected by the card reader issue, since they automatically open when a car is approaching. The reason the gate arms are not up has to be for some other reason. That said, I really see no need for the arms except to make it easier for people to perform a u-turn from the northbound lanes into the southbound lanes. Otherwise there is no more of a hazard as people slow down approaching the this intersection than any other intersection controlled by signal lights.

[Jerry101]

[QUOTE=dewilson58;2154137]Well the good thing is........................if you were going 30 mph, decelerating up to the stop sign, applying brakes gently and your brake lights work...................and if the driver behind you is not paying attention..............it should be nothing more than a minor bump.

John Morgan’s ‘team’ or Dan Newlin could turn that into 6 figures (whiplash)!!!

Kidding!!! 😎

[MidWestIA]

Morse to Hillsborough round about had gates and stop signs - somebody is going to crash the gates get rid of the stop signs or the gate

[mikeycereal]

I suggested aggressive speed bumps in lieu of gates, most folks don't want to bottom out their car and it gives the camera enough time to do it's thing????? Thoughts?

1 speed bump entering where the gate is would be tolerable, but none throughout the village itself. My vote would be to just keep the gate.

[EdFNJ]

… the stop signs are really not necessary at that location… I just drove thru that area 15 minutes ago. None of the 7 cars ahead of me stopped. The ‘guy’ behind me stopped. The other three didn’t. I don’t feel safe stopping … but I do. I’d love to see Sumter County enforce it … write some tickets… get the word out that running the stop could be costly. Exactly. Never figured the need for a gate IN THAT DIRECTION which is heading south on Morse towards 466 already passed the golf cart crossing and about 200 yards from the 466/Morse traffic light. Even worse, there are times in the early afternoon going in that south direction the sun and the trees above the gates causes that set of gate arms to be much less visible due to the foliage color (hard to explain but if you think about it as you drive into it you'll see). The only POSSIBLE reason for that gate would be to allow someone heading NORTH on Morse to make a U-Turn after the gatehouse which IMO is really dumb anyway. That direction at that location has always been a strange place for gates considering how close it is to the 466 traffic signals.. The other direction they are totally needed. I doubt a ticket can be written for temporary signs as the signs likely aren't registered with the county or proper specs (height etc). They just can't just put any signs anywhere and have them be "proper" for ticket issuance.

[ThirdOfFive]

"Removing a stop sign because most people don't stop"..................not a good concept.
Sign of the times.

In Minneapolis they basically decriminalized shoplifting because everybody was doing it.

[dewilson58]

Sign of the times.

In Minneapolis they basically decriminalized shoplifting because everybody was doing it.

I hope they can take Minneapolis back.

WAS a great place.

[ThirdOfFive]

I hope they can take Minneapolis back.

WAS a great place.
Was.

[Two Bills]

You might want to give the V i l l a g e s - N e w s discussion groups a try.

It's a bit less "cerebral" over there.

Less cerebral?

Place is inhabited with dribblers and knuckle draggers

[JGibson]

If they're not willing to do my speed bump suggestion they should at least put blinking lights on those gates, the little reflective tape is not going to cut it. Make them more visible and maybe less people will crash into them.

[ThirdOfFive]

Less cerebral?

Place is inhabited with dribblers and knuckle draggers
I was being (ahem) diplomatic.

[OhioBuckeye]

Yea, I don’t understand why someone that’s retired could be in such a hurry either. I guess they want to get home so they don’t miss their favorite show or their tee time. I see & know what you’re talking about!

[GoPacers]

If you don't enforce rules then people will not follow rules. This is not unique to The Villages, to seniors or anyone else. It's a societal thing, always has been and always will be.

Pull a few cars over for not stopping and you'll start to see compliance. In the interim, if/when an accident happens then lawyers will litigate who was at fault at great benefit to themselves.

[Jerry101]

You might want to give the V i l l a g e s - N e w s discussion groups a try.

It's a bit less "cerebral" over there.

… to be honest I don’t think this site is the ‘home room’ for Rhodes Scholars!

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Yea, I don’t understand why someone that’s retired could be in such a hurry either. I guess they want to get home so they don’t miss their favorite show or their tee time. I see & know what you’re talking about!

This isn't a "retirement" community. It's a 55+ community. In addition, Morse is a public road, there are thousands of people who work in the area and use that road, who don't live in the Villages. But they serve Villagers as waiters, fire fighters, police officers, insurance agents, lawyers, doctors, sales clerks, etc. etc. You not being in a rush doesn't entitle you to decide whether or not everyone else should be in a rush.

Some people need to get home and take care of their children. They may not be speeding or running red lights, but they're also wanting to get home. And you going slow as molasses and saying "what's the rush, you're retired!" only points out your false sense of entitlement and myopic view of your surroundings.

[Aacosner]

Exactly. Never figured the need for a gate IN THAT DIRECTION which is heading south on Morse towards 466 already passed the golf cart crossing and about 200 yards from the 466/Morse traffic light. Even worse, there are times in the early afternoon going in that south direction the sun and the trees above the gates causes that set of gate arms to be much less visible due to the foliage color (hard to explain but if you think about it as you drive into it you'll see). The only POSSIBLE reason for that gate would be to allow someone heading NORTH on Morse to make a U-Turn after the gatehouse which IMO is really dumb anyway. That direction at that location has always been a strange place for gates considering how close it is to the 466 traffic signals.. The other direction they are totally needed. I doubt a ticket can be written for temporary signs as the signs likely aren't registered with the county or proper specs (height etc). They just can't just put any signs anywhere and have them be "proper" for ticket issuance.

I think this post is spot on. I am the biggest fan of gates, but this one particular gate (in the south direction), serves no purpose because 1.) there is no cart traffic beyond, 2.) it doesn't help with the cart traffic crossing at a considerable distance before this gate, and 3.) it is just before the stoplight. Further, I agree with another post that the visibility is more difficult here than most gates.

[lawgolfer]

I've gone through that gate numerous times, including today, I'll slow down at the guard shack but will not stop for fear of being hit from the rear.

The absence of a gate adds to another problem, that being the "cross-over" required for S/B golf carts. This might be the most dangerous location in all of TV for carts. Without a gate ahead, drivers in cars are not slowing in anticipation of stopping. This reduces the opportunity for cart drivers to make the cross-over.

Even when the gates are in operation, the cross-over is dangerous. As it is the only cross-over in TV, at least to my knowledge, it comes as a surprise to many cart drivers, certainly to those who do not frequently pass through the area.

Earlier this year I was playing Tierra Del Sol and was on the tee box to the west of the cross-over. There was screech of tires and a loud "thud". One of the players laughed and said "there goes a set of club". All of us looked over the hedge and saw a cart sideways in the street; its driver jumping out of the cart; and, hurrying to the rear of his cart. In the next moment, a woman came into view, brushing herself off, and screaming at the man. Thankfully, she did not appear to be hurt. However, I doubt if he had the best evening of his life.

[OhioBuckeye]

First of all I’m not here to argue. It is a retirement community, at 55 yrs. old 95% of the people in TV don’t work so it’s pretty much a retirement community 2nd the only one that have any children are the resident (55) & at 55 yrs. old I doubt anyone at that age have children in school. So yes some people are just mean spirited. Like I said I didn’t comment to start an argument. I think you knew exactly what I was talking about, & I do understand what your saying.

[Laker14]

I just came through the gate, inbound, off of Buena Vista at Bailey Trail in front of Miona Rec Center. The visitor lane had no gate, but had THREE stop signs. The first one was positioned right where it always is, and two more before the cart crossing path (or pedestrian or bike crossing, whatever you want to call it).

The most awkward thing about the way they are using the stop signs in lieu of the gates is putting one right before the crossing. Anyone not privy to the particular way we deal with the right-of-way between cars and carts would be justified in assuming that the cars are to STOP at the crossing and allow golf cars, bikes, and pedestrians the right-of-way.

Awkward, and maybe even dangerous.

[VApeople]

The most awkward thing about the way they are using the stop signs in lieu of the gates is putting one right before the crossing. Anyone not privy to the particular way we deal with the right-of-way between cars and carts would be justified in assuming that the cars are to STOP at the crossing and allow golf cars, bikes, and pedestrians the right-of-way.


No, they would not be justified in thinking that.

When I drive thru our gate in Osceola Hills, there is a stop sign for the cars and also for the golf carts and bikes. It is a three-way stop. The first vehicle to the intersection, be it a car, cart, or bike, has the right to cautiously go first.

[ThirdOfFive]

Bottom line: Until we solve the problem of bad drivers, everything else is just a band-aid.

[Bill14564]

No, they would not be justified in thinking that.

When I drive thru our gate in Osceola Hills, there is a stop sign for the cars and also for the golf carts and bikes. It is a three-way stop. The first vehicle to the intersection, be it a car, cart, or bike, has the right to cautiously go first.

Osceola Hills may be an exception because those crossings are normally not three way stops. Normally, the carts have stop signs but the incoming traffic does not. Put a stop sign for incoming traffic right at the crossing and you have created an out-of-the-ordinary three way stop.

When did the stop sign for cars go up? There is no stop sign for cars visible in Google Maps Street View at either of the Deskin Lane gates.

[Laker14]

No, they would not be justified in thinking that.

When I drive thru our gate in Osceola Hills, there is a stop sign for the cars and also for the golf carts and bikes. It is a three-way stop. The first vehicle to the intersection, be it a car, cart, or bike, has the right to cautiously go first.

I can't speak to that particular gate, as I have only been through it a few times. I don't think what you describe is consistent with the vast majority of gates in TV.
I can't think of a single one that has a stop sign for cars before the cart path crossing, other than the "visitor" lane on the gates that have a manned gate operator. Those stop signs aren't there to necessarily yield right-of-way to golf carts, but to get the cars to stop and wait for the gate to be manually switched open by the attendant.

Typically on the egress, cars drive through the cart crossing path, to get right up to the gate. Automobiles have the ROW, golf carts wait. Often if there is a line, an automobile driver will stop short, and wave a cart or two through, which is fine and appreciated. What is awkward is when there is no line of automobiles waiting, and an automobile driver stops and waves the golf cart through.
The temporary stop sign placed short of the crossing path creates that situation where it wouldn't normally exist. Nobody knows exactly what is expected of them.

[VApeople]

When did the stop sign for cars go up? There is no stop sign for cars visible in Google Maps Street View at either of the Deskin Lane gates.

On our entrance near Burnsed Rec Center, the right gate has often been broken, so there is a stop sign for cars at that gate.

When there is a stop sign, I either stop or slow down to a speed of 1 mpd*.

* 'mpd' = miles per day