Who Is Going To Pay For The New Paradise Rec. Center?

[Jim 9922]

I am surprised that there has been little or no discussion about spending at least $19.5 million to replace the Paradise Rec. Center. All at the time when debates raged over some minor possible increase in fire/ambulance fees; constantly rising $5 or $10 increases in amenity fees; "the Million Dollar Mile"; and talk by District supervisors of possibly freezing/capping amenities fees (maybe for a year).

So how do we pay $19.5 million for a new rec center? (Especially when the old one seems to work just fine after a major renovation less than 15 years ago): More bonds/debt to be paid off over the years thru higher monthly amenities fees? Maybe there is a hidden super contingency fund available to underwrite $19.5 million? Maybe a "new surcharge fee" added to our possibly "frozen" monthly amenities fee? Maybe the reserves in the current contingency reserve fund have grown too large and needs reducing? Maybe a onetime surcharge of $141 to all 135,000 current Villages residents? Maybe the Developer is gifting the new center to us?

[Keefelane66]

Fat chance of the Developer gifting it the property was turned over to the VCDD years ago and has moved on.

[Mrs.Guy]

:)https://www.districtgov.org/community/Paradise_Recreation.pdf

And the discussion has been going on for several years.

[rustyp]

A $40 million settlement was won by the residents in 2008 over The Paradise Rec Center. The settlement had a payment schedule over a long period of time with a very large final payment.

Villages settles lawsuit, will fund $40M in upgrades – Orlando Sentinel (https://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/os-xpm-2008-03-09-villages09-story.html)

[shut the front door]

I'm surprised someone has lived here for so long and doesn't have a clue how this works.

[Chi-Town]

Nice to see the north end hasn't been forgotten.

[Bogie Shooter]

I am surprised that there has been little or no discussion about spending at least $19.5 million to replace the Paradise Rec. Center. All at the time when debates raged over some minor possible increase in fire/ambulance fees; constantly rising $5 or $10 increases in amenity fees; "the Million Dollar Mile"; and talk by District supervisors of possibly freezing/capping amenities fees (maybe for a year).

So how do we pay $19.5 million for a new rec center? (Especially when the old one seems to work just fine after a major renovation less than 15 years ago): More bonds/debt to be paid off over the years thru higher monthly amenities fees? Maybe there is a hidden super contingency fund available to underwrite $19.5 million? Maybe a "new surcharge fee" added to our possibly "frozen" monthly amenities fee? Maybe the reserves in the current contingency reserve fund have grown too large and needs reducing? Maybe a onetime surcharge of $141 to all 135,000 current Villages residents? Maybe the Developer is gifting the new center to us?

The Amenity Authority Committee (AAC) meets on the Wednesday before the Second Friday of the month at 9:00 a.m. at the Savannah Regional Recreation Center in the Ashley Wilkes Room. Audio recordings of Committee meetings, workshops or public hearings are available for purchase per Florida Statute 119.07 through the District Clerk for $1.00 per CD requested. Residents may also arrange to listen to audio recordings at the District office. Please call 352-751-3939 for requests or information.

[Jim 9922]

I'm surprised someone has lived here for so long and doesn't have a clue how this works.

I fairly know how it works.
Most of the examples were meant to be tongue-and-cheek. The intended point of the posting is how nickel-dime spending and proposals receive great attention, but major commitments seem to pass right on by. As for the years ago big settlement with the Developer; the last of those funds was used for the First Responders Center.

[Garywt]

So renovations of $18.5 million were needed so $19.5 million for all new made sense. Other than any settlements there are some large amounts of cash around to be used for upkeep and replacements of things around The Villages. People care about what comes out of their pocket each month but not so much if they are not asked to give money directly.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

:)https://www.districtgov.org/community/Paradise_Recreation.pdf

And the discussion has been going on for several years.

Not sure why the documentation refers to it as Villages of Marion and Marion County Future Recreation Center. It's in Lake County, in the town of Lady Lake.

Also I'm a resident of the Paradise region (as is obvious by my handle, Orange Blossom Baby). I haven't seen or heard about any survey that will theoretically be tabulated some time this month, according to their schedule.

[Nucky]

I am surprised that there has been little or no discussion about spending at least $19.5 million to replace the Paradise Rec. Center. All at the time when debates raged over some minor possible increase in fire/ambulance fees; constantly rising $5 or $10 increases in amenity fees; "the Million Dollar Mile"; and talk by District supervisors of possibly freezing/capping amenities fees (maybe for a year).

So how do we pay $19.5 million for a new rec center? (Especially when the old one seems to work just fine after a major renovation less than 15 years ago): More bonds/debt to be paid off over the years thru higher monthly amenities fees? Maybe there is a hidden super contingency fund available to underwrite $19.5 million? Maybe a "new surcharge fee" added to our possibly "frozen" monthly amenities fee? Maybe the reserves in the current contingency reserve fund have grown too large and needs reducing? Maybe a onetime surcharge of $141 to all 135,000 current Villages residents? Maybe the Developer is gifting the new center to us?

Jealousy is is terrible thing, it will eat you up! :spoken:

[Mrs.Guy]

Not sure why the documentation refers to it as Villages of Marion and Marion County Future Recreation Center. It's in Lake County, in the town of Lady Lake.

Also I'm a resident of the Paradise region (as is obvious by my handle, Orange Blossom Baby). I haven't seen or heard about any survey that will theoretically be tabulated some time this month, according to their schedule.

:confused: The link I posted is a Power Point Presentation about the "Paradise Recreation Complex". The Marion County Future Recreation Center you mention is the "First Responders Rec. Center".
Repairing or replacing Paradise has been talked about for a long time. Why you have not heard about it is anyone's guess. I don't know. It's been in The "Sun", the online news site, and below is a post from a week ago on this site. I remember reading they wanted to wait til 1st. Responders was built before starting Paradise. That was a couple years ago.

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/gazette-news-566/paradise-recreation-resident-survey-335679/?highlight=Paradise

[Villages Kahuna]

The residents won a lawsuit quite a few years ago wherein amounts were paid by the Developer for future major expenditures for the repair or replacement of major recreational facilities. The amounts were negotiated and agreed upon by the resident/plaintiffs, and approved by the court.

The decision on the major replacement of that Rec center was agreed upon by the Recreation Authority board, who are all elected residents.

We’re on our own dime on this one.

[fdpaq0580]

the residents won a lawsuit quite a few years ago wherein amounts were paid by the developer for future major expenditures for the repair or replacement of major recreational facilities. The amounts were negotiated and agreed upon by the resident/plaintiffs, and approved by the court.

The decision on the major replacement of that rec center was agreed upon by the recreation authority board, who are all elected residents.

We’re on our own dime on this one.

"dime"?

[rustyp]

I fairly know how it works.
Most of the examples were meant to be tongue-and-cheek. The intended point of the posting is how nickel-dime spending and proposals receive great attention, but major commitments seem to pass right on by. As for the years ago big settlement with the Developer; the last of those funds was used for the First Responders Center.

Proof ?

The First Responders Rec Center was funded partially by the developer as part of the negotiations of adding 300 new homes to district 4. In addition 300 new amenity fees per year were added to The AAC coffers. Look at the AAC balance sheet - the money is there to rebuild Paradise Rec Center. It has always been earmarked for either upgrade or replacement. One of the few times a local government had a long range plan and stuck with it. My hat is off to the AAC.

[jmpalladino]

:)https://www.districtgov.org/community/Paradise_Recreation.pdf

And the discussion has been going on for several years.

Your link did not mention costs or how it would be paid. This is what the OP was asking. If it has been discussed for several years then can you enlighten us on the cost and who will pay.

[Rzepecki]

Not sure why the documentation refers to it as Villages of Marion and Marion County Future Recreation Center. It's in Lake County, in the town of Lady Lake.

Also I'm a resident of the Paradise region (as is obvious by my handle, Orange Blossom Baby). I haven't seen or heard about any survey that will theoretically be tabulated some time this month, according to their schedule.

If the District had your email (so that you would receive the district weekly newsletter and hurricane updates), you would have received the survey when it was emailed a few weeks ago. I received it. It’s already been tabulated.

[Rodneysblue]

Not sure why the documentation refers to it as Villages of Marion and Marion County Future Recreation Center. It's in Lake County, in the town of Lady Lake.

Also I'm a resident of the Paradise region (as is obvious by my handle, Orange Blossom Baby). I haven't seen or heard about any survey that will theoretically be tabulated some time this month, according to their schedule.

The survey is available at districtgov.org quick links menu, click Paradise

[A-2-56]

Not sure why the documentation refers to it as Villages of Marion and Marion County Future Recreation Center. It's in Lake County, in the town of Lady Lake.

Also I'm a resident of the Paradise region (as is obvious by my handle, Orange Blossom Baby). I haven't seen or heard about any survey that will theoretically be tabulated some time this month, according to their schedule.

I am sorry if you missed the opportunity to offer your desires for the new Recreation center. It was available for quite some time. It was online out it could be picked up at Paradise or Hacienda rec centers.
It just asked about your preference for pool design, activities you prefer inside and out and for comment.

The results came out this week.
A free form resort style pool, tabletop shuffleboard and corn hole.

[dewilson58]

Admin:


Can't we get a Pot Stirring emoji???

While we are at it, get a sarcasm emoji too...................it will help the slow people.

:wave:

[Mrs.Guy]

Admin:


Can't we get a Pot Stirring emoji???

While we are at it, get a sarcasm emoji too...................it will help the slow people.

:wave:

:rolleyes::rolleyes:

[Mrs.Guy]

Your link did not mention costs or how it would be paid. This is what the OP was asking. If it has been discussed for several years then can you enlighten us on the cost and who will pay.

:wave: Sometimes it helps to read all posts and then do your own homework...... :oops:

[champion6]

<snip> Also I'm a resident of the Paradise region (as is obvious by my handle, Orange Blossom Baby). I haven't seen or heard about any survey that will theoretically be tabulated some time this month, according to their schedule.There was an article about the survey results on the front page of the Daily Sun on Thursday, Nov. 10.

[Samcat13]

I got to many other things to worry about. And most people don't care who is paying for it. It is what it is. It easy. Call them and ask. Their answer is as good as anybody will give you here. The big worry is if your going to be alive tomorrow, what golf course is open tomorrow, what restaurant will i be eating at. You know the big worries.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

There was an article about the survey results on the front page of the Daily Sun on Thursday, Nov. 10.

I don't get the Daily Sun. And an article about the /results/ of it would not have helped me when the survey was first sent out, before there existed any results.

Where I come from (yep) - if the town needed to inform everyone about something, they'd mail out a flyer. It wasn't up to the resident to think "oh I should check every day to make sure I don't miss something important." It was the town's responsibility to inform its citizens.

Posting a big notice on the postal station board might've helped but I don't recall seeing one there either.

[JoMar]

I don't get the Daily Sun. And an article about the /results/ of it would not have helped me when the survey was first sent out, before there existed any results.

Where I come from (yep) - if the town needed to inform everyone about something, they'd mail out a flyer. It wasn't up to the resident to think "oh I should check every day to make sure I don't miss something important." It was the town's responsibility to inform its citizens.

Posting a big notice on the postal station board might've helped but I don't recall seeing one there either.

Those days are pretty much gone....even the small town I lived in stopped doing any direct mailings years ago, labor, printing costs, postage made it prohibitive. They went to a web page only. At least here, you get emails plus an easy to navigate website. It is now up to the residents.....we can choose to play or not.

[Mrs.Guy]

I don't get the Daily Sun. And an article about the /results/ of it would not have helped me when the survey was first sent out, before there existed any results.

Where I come from (yep) - if the town needed to inform everyone about something, they'd mail out a flyer. It wasn't up to the resident to think "oh I should check every day to make sure I don't miss something important." It was the town's responsibility to inform its citizens.

Posting a big notice on the postal station board might've helped but I don't recall seeing one there either.

If you prefer the FREE (so called) News Site do a search by entering "PARADISE REC". They have several stories about the AAC and the future of the Paradise Recreation Center back to March 12, 2021

Or

You can always get factual information on the District Site and can sign up for different notifications..... like AAC meetings and Budget Meetings. :ho:

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

If you prefer the FREE (so called) News Site do a search by entering "PARADISE REC". They have several stories about the AAC and the future of the Paradise Recreation Center back to March 12, 2021

Or

You can always get factual information on the District Site and can sign up for different notifications..... like AAC meetings and Budget Meetings. :ho:

I just signed up for AAC and VCCDD notifications. I've been to that website a few dozen times in the past three years and never noticed the option. Usually because I was looking for something specific. Thanks!

[ScottFenstermaker]

Proof ?

The First Responders Rec Center was funded partially by the developer as part of the negotiations of adding 300 new homes to district 4. In addition 300 new amenity fees per year were added to The AAC coffers. Look at the AAC balance sheet - the money is there to rebuild Paradise Rec Center. It has always been earmarked for either upgrade or replacement. One of the few times a local government had a long range plan and stuck with it. My hat is off to the AAC.
Where can the AAC balance sheet be found?

[skippy05]

Short answer: (Plural) YOU are going to pay for this. One way or the other. Via front door or back door.

[Bogie Shooter]

I just signed up for AAC and VCCDD notifications. I've been to that website a few dozen times in the past three years and never noticed the option. Usually because I was looking for something specific. Thanks!

Subscribing to those notifications and how to do that......has probably been mentioned on this site 50 times!

[UsuallyLurking]

Where can the AAC balance sheet be found?

VCDD Amenity Authority Committee - AAC (https://districtgov.org/committees/aac.aspx). Look for the budget links.

[ScottFenstermaker]

Fat chance of the Developer gifting it the property was turned over to the VCDD years ago and has moved on.

An important clarification: The "property was not turned over to the VCDD". It was sold by the Developer to the VCDD (which the Developer controlled and still controls). The POA-backed class action law suit, which was settled by the Developer for about $43 million, alleged that the price was inflated.

[ScottFenstermaker]

VCDD Amenity Authority Committee - AAC (https://districtgov.org/committees/aac.aspx). Look for the budget links.
I tried that. Are you sure that there is such a thing a an "AAC" balance sheet? The AAC is merely a committee of the VCCDD, and I don't believe it owns anything and thus can't have a balance sheet. Could you provide a link to its balance sheet to which you refer? Maybe it is some kind of pro forma.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

I tried that. Are you sure that there is such a thing a an "AAC" balance sheet? The AAC is merely a committee of the VCCDD, and I don't believe it owns anything and thus can't have a balance sheet. Could you provide a link to its balance sheet to which you refer? Maybe it is some kind of pro forma.

It's a PDF. On that page, click on "Capital Improvement Plan." You'll get the Recreation Amenity Division budget plan that starts in FY 2018/2019 and ends in 2022/2023.

Under Amenity Authority Committee, the most recent link is the Capital Projects Status Report for FY 2020/2021, adopted in 2019. They haven't kept that up to date.