Why vote count so slow????

[jebartle]

48 states (some more populated states) out-count two states, will they change their procedure or is it their way to be noticed, hmmm!

Another question, I'll bet that most Americans would rather see campaigns can their ads (most misleading) and put those bucks to better use. Ga. Campaigns $250,000 spent, yipsters!

[Arctic Fox]

48 states out-count two states, will they change their procedure or is it their way to be noticed, hmmm!

I suspect that the initial count was very close, resulting in at least one recount

[tophcfa]

There never seemed to be any problems when everyone voted in person on Election Day?

[Taltarzac725]

If you mean AZ the officials there have explained their processing of the ballots and the laws governing them. And both parties have proctors watching everything in the counting rooms. And the election workers in AZ are working 14 to 18 hours a day to get the votes counted. WATCH: Arizona officials give an update on ballot counting for 2022 election | PBS NewsHour (https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/watch-live-2022-elections-update-from-maricopa-county-arizona)

[Bogie Shooter]

Probably because of the archaic rules/laws imposed by their state legislatures.

[collie1228]

Inability to count votes seems to be another symptom of governments' incompetence in many states. Florida has two time zones, and its votes are counted and reported in a matter of hours. Why can't Arizona, California and others?

[Marathon Man]

If you mean AZ the officials there have explained their processing of the ballots and the laws governing them. And both parties have proctors watching everything in the counting rooms. And the election workers in AZ are working 14 to 18 hours a day to get the votes counted. WATCH: Arizona officials give an update on ballot counting for 2022 election | PBS NewsHour (https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/watch-live-2022-elections-update-from-maricopa-county-arizona)

The only response that is not a guess. Thank you for the link.

[billethkid]

There never seemed to be any problems when everyone voted in person on Election Day?

The days when everybody voted on one day....election day.

When you open the drape to the booth the vote was registered....mechanically!!!

Results in before we went to bed.

And now with all the fancy electronics it takes (some) weeks/months!!!!

Everybody KNOWS there is a better way yet we continue to allow this game playing.

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[justjim]

There never seemed to be any problems when everyone voted in person on Election Day?

Our country was much smaller in those days. Florida had its problem with “hanging chads”. Nothing wrong with early voting or mail in ballots IMHO.

[kansasr]

Inability to count votes seems to be another symptom of governments' incompetence in many states. Florida has two time zones, and its votes are counted and reported in a matter of hours. Why can't Arizona, California and others?

Because Arizona, California and other western states have made it EASIER to vote by allowing vote by mail ballots to be counted if they are posted marked by election day and received within a certain time limit.

Unlike Florida, which every election cycle is making it harder and harder for people to vote.

At least Florida does allow each county to count their absentee and early votes BEFORE the polls close on election day, which greatly speeds up the actual vote reporting on election night.

[Hape2Bhr]

Because Arizona, California and other western states have made it EASIER to vote by allowing vote by mail ballots to be counted if they are posted marked by election day and received within a certain time limit.

Unlike Florida, which every election cycle is making it harder and harder for people to vote.

At least Florida does allow each county to count their absentee and early votes BEFORE the polls close on election day, which greatly speeds up the actual vote reporting on election night.

Baloney. I voted 2 weeks before Election Day after showing my ID (which every state should require).

[njbchbum]

Our country was much smaller in those days. Florida had its problem with “hanging chads”. Nothing wrong with early voting or mail in ballots IMHO.

Much smaller in what days?

Those mail in ballots are okay when they are requested by and only mailed to already registered voters. Blanket mailing of those ballots requires election staff to verify registered status after the fact raising another possibility for error in verifying/counting.

How do you feel about unmonitored drop boxes? Why are they necessary when mail-in ballots are available?

[Bill14564]

Much smaller in what days?
Number of citizens. Number of registered voters. Number of actual voters.

Those mail in ballots are okay when they are requested by and only mailed to already registered voters. Blanket mailing of those ballots requires election staff to verify registered status after the fact raising another possibility for error in verifying/counting.
And where does this blanket mailing happen? Not in Arizona.

How do you feel about unmonitored drop boxes? Why are they necessary when mail-in ballots are available?
As concerns ballots, I feel the same way about unmonitored drop boxes as I feel about unmonitored mail boxes. Are *any* mail boxes monitored?

Why are they necessary? Because dropping an envelope in the mailbox does not ensure it arrives by election day while dropping the envelope in the drop box does. Second, because a single drop box in Wildwood doesn't do much for the voter in Tarrytown, Webster, or Bushnell. Third, because hiring sufficient staff to monitor a reasonable number of ballot boxes would be cost prohibitive.

[Bill14564]

Baloney. I voted 2 weeks before Election Day after showing my ID (which every state should require).

So if it's easy for you then it's easy for everyone??? No chance that others in the State may have a work schedule or school schedule or child schedule to contend with? No chance that others in the State may not have a vehicle conveniently at their disposal?

Every election cycle more and more voting rules, regulations, and restrictions are put in place. These are absolutely intended to make it more difficult for someone to vote. They are not necessarily bad rules, regulations, or restrictions but it is foolish to argue that they do not make it more difficult to vote.

[coralway]

Accuracy is better than speed

[Taltarzac725]

Accuracy is better than speed

True. Looks like Arizona allows people to drop off their ballots up to the election day.

So. They are dealing with a lot of paperwork.

[CoachKandSportsguy]

Inability to count votes seems to be another symptom of governments' incompetence in many states. Florida has two time zones, and its votes are counted and reported in a matter of hours. Why can't Arizona, California and others?

CA has 4.7 M mailed in ballots, and they can't start counting until election day.
Then any ballot mailed up until and including election day is eligible, which means all ballots won't be received until about 5 days after election day.

its kind of the same with places like dunkin donuts where the store is organized for for walkins, but can get overwhelmed with order ahead orders such that the total orders can easily be double the store walkin capacity for the same period of time.

so some decisions sound great, but they don't scale well into operational efficiency

operations guy

[Rainger99]

Just saw that for the election for mayor of Los Angeles, only 59% of the expected votes are in - three days after the election! They say it might take weeks to get the final tally. At this point, the lead is less than 3,000 votes!

There does seem to be a problem here.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

There never seemed to be any problems when everyone voted in person on Election Day?

Mail-in voting has been a thing since Colonial times. Since the 1700s, there has NEVER been a time when "everyone voted in person." People have been voting by mail since before the State of Florida was incorporated. Deployed military personnel, railroad employees, travelling salesmen, airline pilots - most of them are not in their "authorized" voting precinct on Election Day.

[Garywt]

Where I vote you fill in a circle and place the ballot in a box that counts the number of ballots. At the end of the day the ballots run through a machine to count the votes. As long as the ballots at the end of the night match the total cast during the day all is good. Others use electronic ballots so the tallies are kept throughout the day. Anyone who is hand counting anything needs to move to the current century. Of course Trump could be out there hiding behind a curtain filling out ballots, lol.

[Bertram00]

Why vote count so slow????
Why you ask um question like in bad old Western movie?🤔

[rlcooper70]

Mail in ballots in our country are valid if postmarked the day of the election - slow mail - slow ballot count in close elections. No mystery.

[Love2Swim]

Unlike Florida which is making it harder for people to vote.

Baloney. I voted 2 weeks before Election Day after showing my ID (which every state should require).

Under Florida's new law, absentee voters must request a mail-in ballot every two years instead of every four years. And again, that's going to be taking effect going into the 2024 elections. And those ballot requests can even be retroactively canceled, meaning some voters might not realize that they're not automatically receiving a mail-in ballot because of that change to the vote-by-mail laws.

[Cobullymom]

Because Arizona, California and other western states have made it EASIER to vote by allowing vote by mail ballots to be counted if they are posted marked by election day and received within a certain time limit.

Unlike Florida, which every election cycle is making it harder and harder for people to vote.

At least Florida does allow each county to count their absentee and early votes BEFORE the polls close on election day, which greatly speeds up the actual vote reporting on election night.




Just what is harder? People are given multiple early voting days, and if done properly mail in, and day of voting. If that's not easy enough people are just plain lazy, and making excuses. If there was a one day free 1000.00 check being given out and you had to come claim it, you bet it would have folks figuring out a way to get there, and they would do it...

[MandoMan]

48 states (some more populated states) out-count two states, will they change their procedure or is it their way to be noticed, hmmm!

Another question, I'll bet that most Americans would rather see campaigns can their ads (most misleading) and put those bucks to better use. Ga. Campaigns $250,000 spent, yipsters!

I only watch Netflix and Amazon Prime. No network TV at all. I’m delighted to say that I didn’t see a single campaign ad on TV, though I did receive several dozen flyers in the mail which I tossed. Political campaigns seem to think that the more millions they put into TV ads, the more people will vote for their candidates. But do they? Yes, we need to know there is an election coming. We need to know the positions of candidates. But couldn’t that be better done by sending out a non-partisan pamphlet with a table that gives issues on the left column and candidates names at the top and checks off their specific positions? Instead of asking us for more millions for more ads, stop all the ads.

In my experience, virtually no one changes votes because of signs and ads. So why bother? Furthermore, people who believe TV political ads are so gullible that they may not be bright enough to deserve to vote.. When I have seen these ads in the past, ALL sides lie about the other side and claim to have done things they haven’t really done. Voting should be based on better information.

[GizmoWhiskers]

I suppose AZ will be checking for creases on those mail in ballots this time around? FL dropped the hanging chads, AZ learned what from 2020?

[srswans]

True. Looks like Arizona allows people to drop off their ballots up to the election day.

So. They are dealing with a lot of paperwork.

Because Arizonians don’t like to wait in line.

Also, AZ screwed up signature verification big time in 2020 so they are being very careful (i.e., slow) this time.

It all makes sense now.

[ithos]

Every vote that is fraudulent or eliminated illegally denies a citizen of their right to participate in an election. There should be the highest standards of validation and verification. I would hope that most people would agree but unfortunately about half the country doesn't.

The standards to ensure integrity should be as strict as when withdrawing money from a bank. Do you think that you could go to a teller and withdraw money without some sort of ID or verification? If they used the same slack standards of some of our states NO ID rules they could.

I keep hearing that there is no proof of election fraud. That is a ridiculous standard. The onus should be on election officials to prove beyond any reasonable doubt that there was not fraud. And who wouldn't suspect something is wrong when machines break down, poll monitors are thrown out, there are more votes than registered voters and ballots are dropped off in essentially unmonitored ballot boxes. And most of all when every attempt to do a thorough bipartisan audit is met with a firestorm of protest from the media, politicians and the FBI.

And when you takes days and weeks to count votes then you have a very flawed system and no I don't trust them. Trust for such a vital element of democracy has to be earned not taken for granted.

[RiderOnTheStorm]

48 states (some more populated states) out-count two states, will they change their procedure or is it their way to be noticed, hmmm!

Another question, I'll bet that most Americans would rather see campaigns can their ads (most misleading) and put those bucks to better use. Ga. Campaigns $250,000 spent, yipsters!

I think you have your numbers wrong: A total of ten billion ($10,000,000,000) was spent on all campaigns, including two hundred million ($200,000,000) on Beto O'Rourke for Texas governor. I suspect the Georgia campaigns spent about 1,000X the number you claim. Your point still applies.

[bark4me]

Inability to count votes seems to be another symptom of governments' incompetence in many states. Florida has two time zones, and its votes are counted and reported in a matter of hours. Why can't Arizona, California and others?
Because those 2 states live in a state of confusion

[Jacob85]

I agree about the ads as they are mostly lies and misleading on purpose and they are protected by the first amendment! If they had to tell the truth, they would be helpfu. As it is they are irritating and negative