First golf cart ride to the Village of Richmond

[Vermilion Villager]

And what did I see? A confederate flag....It was even on the same pole as the American flag.

[JSR22]

And what did I see? A confederate flag....It was even on the same pole as the American flag.

That is absolutely awful.

[Bill14564]

That is absolutely awful.

The flag, the post, or the comments that are soon to appear?

[Vermilion Villager]

The flag, the post, or the comments that are soon to appear?
The post is the truth..........

[JSR22]

The flag, the post, or the comments that are soon to appear?

flag

[Boffin]

Southern pride.

[Kenswing]

And what did I see? A confederate flag....It was even on the same pole as the American flag.

Where exactly was this? I’ve seen a pole with a Grand Union flag flown with the American flag down here but not a Confederate flag.

[Chi-Town]

Well, Richmond was the capital of the Confederacy.

[Bogie Shooter]

Well, Richmond was the capital of the Confederacy.

Key word, was.

[tophcfa]

Ya, but does it violate any deed restrictions like those seemingly offensive little white crosses?

[Keefelane66]

Well, Richmond was the capital of the Confederacy.
The First Looser Society

[Caymus]

And what did I see? A confederate flag....It was even on the same pole as the American flag.

Did you survive the experience?

[RICH1]

[QUOTE=Bill14564;2161069]The flag, the post, or the comments that are soon to appear?[/QUOTE

Did you see the line waiting to buy in ?

[RICH1]

That is absolutely awful.
Richmond isnt that bad, is it?

[JSR22]

Richmond isnt that bad, is it?

confederate flag is horrible. Don't they get they lost?

[fdpaq0580]

Southern pride.

Wouldn't US flag with Fla flag beneath it show the same? Sorry, but as a kid from Calif, I don't get it.

[Keefelane66]

It obviously it’s away of introducing yourself to the neighborhood. Since I don’t live in that area and if I did would just stay away from that type of person, far away. I’m sure they would be good Christian people.

[wisbad1]

That is absolutely awful.
Who cares, people kneel, others burn them. Is it right? Freedom comes with consequences sometimes. Just like people whining about it . Don’t like it ? Don’t look.

[asianthree]

Drive through Richmond everyday, so far no flags that OP reported. Did see the grand Union flag also.. Little more info, of general area. Have not traveled to the northern part because too much construction going on. In todays world most would post a pic of the flag

[JSR22]

Who cares, people kneel, others burn them. Is it right? Freedom comes with consequences sometimes. Just like people whining about it . Don’t like it ? Don’t look.

The confederate flag is very offensive. I would not be happy if that trash was flying next to my home!

[JMintzer]

Ya, but does it violate any deed restrictions like those seemingly offensive little white crosses?

The fact that they're crosses has absolutely nothing to do with the violation...

[Woodbear]

Must have been them dang Duke Boys. Never could trust Bo & Luke Duke

[Two Bills]

The First Looser Society

Is that like Weight Watchers?

[Worldseries27]

and what did i see? A confederate flag....it was even on the same pole as the american flag.
proverbial pandora's box

[bobeaston]

And what did I see? A confederate flag....It was even on the same pole as the American flag.

The usual response for posting stunning or far fetched things is "No picture; didn't happen." Where is your picture?

Lacking a first hand photo, is it This One (https://search.brave.com/images?q=confederate%20flaggrand%20union%20flag) or That One (https://search.brave.com/images?q=confederate%20flag)?

[Worldseries27]

the confederate flag is very offensive. I would not be happy if that trash was flying next to my home!
look away, look away, look away

[Nucky]

This happened several years back. I was told by the Flag Guru at Lady Lake Police Department that as long as the USA flag is flying higher than I had no beef! Very sad I’ll say.
On a trip through S.C. Last week we saw two confederate flags flying by themselves on a pole just off Route 95. S.O.B. what the hell’s going on here? I’m going to stay calm during this post. I almost had a stroke last time. God, I love our country. God, I love our flag

[Nucky]

The Confederate flag Is History, not (racist)!!!!!

Fly it inside the house.

[wsachs]

Bull

[lorilynch]

In slavery

[crash]

Southern pride.

Or racist pride welcome to free Florida.

[jljl62040]

For the first 30 years of my life the Confederate flag was only a symbol of Southern heritage to me. I didn't fly the flag because I'm from Illinois. Then some people decided the flag was a symbol of white supremacy, and only white supremacy. Why must the white supremacy reasoning now be the only reason that the flag is displayed?

[JoelJohnson]

The were Traitors!

[Siegfried]

It must have been terrible for you.

[donfey]

And what did I see? A confederate flag....It was even on the same pole as the American flag.

Looks like an American who loves history lives there.,

[BlackHarley]

That flag is called the St. Andrews Cross. It is not a symbol of racism or slavery. It's, as mentioned by the OP, Southern Pride. If someone flew the ISIS flag, or a BLM flag y'all wouldn't have the b*lls to say a peep.
So look the other way if you don't like it.

[dadcat]

So what’s the problem here? Real southerners (born and raised in the southern state) are proud of their heritage, not something people have made up about a flag. Freedom of speech.
If it offends you, turn your head away and look at the road instead.

[dadcat]

Who only wanted to be left alone to carry on their way of life. They were still US citizens when war was declared upon them.

[mkjelenbaas]

And what did I see? A confederate flag....It was even on the same pole as the American flag.
Relax and move in.

[dadcat]

If you’re offended, move out. What offends me is all the other types of flags that are being flown around this country.

[VApeople]

When we lived in Virginia, we would often visit the Civil War battlefields, with Gettysburg being our favorite. The Florida monument is one of the smallest state monuments but it is my favorite because of this meaningful inscription:

"Like all Floridians who participated in the Civil War, they fought with courage and devotion for the ideals in which they believed. By their noble example of bravery and endurance, they enable us to meet with confidence any sacrifice which confronts us as Americans."

Even though my ancestor Lewis Dear fought for the North, I definitely respect people honoring their ancestors who fought for the South.

[dadcat]

look away, look away, look away

dixieland…….

[sallyg]

Welcome to the Villages.

[Jazzman]

This happened several years back. I was told by the Flag Guru at Lady Lake Police Department that as long as the USA flag is flying higher than I had no beef! Very sad I’ll say.
On a trip through S.C. Last week we saw two confederate flags flying by themselves on a pole just off Route 95. S.O.B. what the hell’s going on here? I’m going to stay calm during this post. I almost had a stroke last time. God, I love our country. God, I love our flag

Those flags have been there for a long, long time and they are on a pole on private property. The owner probably has just as many opinions as those posting on here. There are bigger issues we face then the flag someone is flying on their property along an interstate.

[Blackbird45]

Though they have the right, I don't understand the need for people having to display their ideology. In my neighborhood there is an American flag flying with a picture of our former president in the middle and before that they had a flag with Go Brandon. It doesn't bother me. I just don't get it. What's next a Nazi flag.

[Kgcetm]

For the first 30 years of my life the Confederate flag was only a symbol of Southern heritage to me. I didn't fly the flag because I'm from Illinois. Then some people decided the flag was a symbol of white supremacy, and only white supremacy. Why must the white supremacy reasoning now be the only reason that the flag is displayed?

To Southern people growing up in the last half of the 20th century the flag represented cultural pride and was not a racist symbol. It still isn’t. I love my country and all 50 states. I would die to save any or all today. There are many flags I do not like but in today’s world every cause has a flag. We have become accepting of different people and their causes. The Confederate flag has no cause today other than a movie prop for redneck pickup trucks or perhaps something for people to complain about. I suggest getting over it and being happy. I predict the flag will be gone in 3 months without a March on Richmond.

[Kenswing]

I’m starting to think this whole thing is fake news. All this anger wasted on NOTHING.

[The Chipster]

The Confederate Flag and Florida flag are now pretty much the same thing.

[Petersweeney]

This was a troll post plain and simple.

[Andyb]

This is the south and it represents heritage and history, nothing else, unless your trying to conjure some kind of racist narrative.

[fdpaq0580]

When we lived in Virginia, we would often visit the Civil War battlefields, with Gettysburg being our favorite. The Florida monument is one of the smallest state monuments but it is my favorite because of this meaningful inscription:

"Like all Floridians who participated in the Civil War, they fought with courage and devotion for the ideals in which they believed. By their noble example of bravery and endurance, they enable us to meet with confidence any sacrifice which confronts us as Americans."

Even though my ancestor Lewis Dear fought for the North, I definitely respect people honoring their ancestors who fought for the South.

Well said. Honor the courage and commitment of those who fought for what they believed in, on both sides. Don't judge by todays standards or you will always be disappointed.

[MrFlorida]

When is it my turn to be offended ?

[Chi-Town]

Come to think of it, growing up in Illinois I never knew Florida went Dixie. Didn't make any difference when finding out. But I can see in some previous posts that history dies hard.

[airstreamingypsy]

And what did I see? A confederate flag....It was even on the same pole as the American flag.

Really? Was it white? As I recall, from when kids were allowed to read about history, the last Confederate flag was white.

[Daddymac]

And what did I see? A confederate flag....It was even on the same pole as the American flag.

Head to your Safe Room !!

[airstreamingypsy]

Well said. Honor the courage and commitment of those who fought for what they believed in, on both sides. Don't judge by todays standards or you will always be disappointed.

You honor traitors who declared war on my country...... I'll pass.

[Daddymac]

Wouldn't US flag with Fla flag beneath it show the same? Sorry, but as a kid from Calif, I don't get it.

But you moved here !!

[Regorp]

And what did I see? A confederate flag....It was even on the same pole as the American flag.

I see one in DeLuna near the entrance to a home, near a civil war soldier statue.

[Vermilion Villager]

Where exactly was this? I’ve seen a pole with a Grand Union flag flown with the American flag down here but not a Confederate flag.

I don't know the exact street, but if you enter thru the north gate then drive to the end of that road. There's a community center parking lot. Take a right on the street prior to the parking lot. The house is on a corner just prior to the end of the street. They are doing some landscaping and there is a sign for that. There is a flag pole in the front yard with an American flag. The confederate one is just below it. Several people have seen it, and this is how I heard about it. If it is not there now then they took it down.

As far as the comments the confederate flag not racist… Please don't insult our intelligence. I lived in Mississippi for many years, and yes it is very much a symbol of racism. If you don't believe that look up the articles of secession that each state who flew that flag during the Civil War wrote. In every single article of succession within the first paragraph is the word slavery. I'm really hoping this is a bridge too far for The Villages.

[Wondering]

And what did I see? A confederate flag....It was even on the same pole as the American flag.
Dumb and dumber must live there. Be glad they aren't your neighbor!

[nancyre]

All Veterans of the Confederacy are considered Veterans of the United States with all right and privileges.

[Wondering]

Southern pride.
Dumb "pride" - racist!

[Chamo]

Freedom of speech

[GATORBILL66]

And what did I see? A confederate flag....It was even on the same pole as the American flag.
Remember, you are now living in the South. Southerners have SOUTHERN PRIDE! If this offends you, you should have moved to a state in the North,.

[HRDave]

And what did I see? A confederate flag....It was even on the same pole as the American flag.

It’s called free speech. Let them be them and you be you. 😎

[GATORBILL66]

Dumb "pride" - racist!

It is not racist. Soldiers fought for the South and died. Their decendants are still proud of them, just the same as any soldier that died in any other war. Florida is a southern state. Be proud that you are living in a southern state where soldiers fought for what they believed in.

[GATORBILL66]

That is absolutely awful.
Not aweful, but patriotic for southerners to show support for American soldiers that died fighting for what they believed in well over a hundred years ago. If you live in a southern state, be proud of the confederate flag.

[Villagevip]

Oh, the horror! Did you faint?

[Jokomo]

For the first 30 years of my life the Confederate flag was only a symbol of Southern heritage to me. I didn't fly the flag because I'm from Illinois. Then some people decided the flag was a symbol of white supremacy, and only white supremacy. Why must the white supremacy reasoning now be the only reason that the flag is displayed?

Or maybe it’s distasteful because it was the flag of traitors to the United States of America…the Civil War was an armed insurrection with the express intent of destroying America.

[JSR22]

Not aweful, but patriotic for southerners to show support for American soldiers that died fighting for what they believed in well over a hundred years ago. If you live in a southern state, be proud of the confederate flag.

I will never be proud of the confederate flag.

[maistocars]

And what did I see? A confederate flag....It was even on the same pole as the American flag.
And....?

[Vermilion Villager]

Not aweful, but patriotic for southerners to show support for American soldiers that died fighting for what they believed in well over a hundred years ago. If you live in a southern state, be proud of the confederate flag.

If what you say is true, and I assume you would know, then you do know those soldiers died because their side wanted to succeed from The United States of America, and form a new country where you were allowed to enslave another person to farm your crops and do other duties exclusively for you. Am I missing anything here?

[Caymus]

If what you say is true, and I assume you would know, then you do know those soldiers died because their side wanted to succeed from The United States of America, and form a new country where you were allowed to enslave another person to farm your crops and do other duties exclusively for you. Am I missing anything here?


Do you think the average southern soldier was rich enough to own slaves?

[asianthree]

If what you say is true, and I assume you would know, then you do know those soldiers died because their side wanted to succeed from The United States of America, and form a new country where you were allowed to enslave another person to farm your crops and do other duties exclusively for you. Am I missing anything here?

You are missing a great deal.

And many of those were called to arms from the south, had no choice. They had No slaves, zero education of reading or writing, and only had the knowledge of what was told to them.

Those who choose not to leave their family for the cause, they had very little knowledge of, were to be shot. Yes my family is from the south, our family men who were taken to war, never returned home, it was a given they died.

What happened to women and children left on the farms as the North moved south, was unspeakable, the words passed down from my Great grandmother, ( she lived to 104 sharp until the day she died) then to us as children

Great Great grandmother, and her sister were the only ones left to live, all others, after things she would not speak of, we’re hung in the barn. She believed mother, aunts and older sister, and 2 brothers were alive when they were hung, but had hoped they were not.

My Great grandmother was proud of her southern roots, her native mixed heritage, and her family that sacrificed their lives,

We have my great grandmothers saddest times, and her happy times recorded. so her children’s children, and so on, will know the proud family she came from, and the sacrifices she faced.

So have very good knowledge of the war, passed down from our generation’s, with a confederate flag that many never witnessed in person, and none of which had ever owned slaves.

Just like the majority of the men who were taken to war, died, and now like another generation who fought for their country, and died were not recognized for their sacrifice.

Can you name that war for the second time in history veterans came back to hate and discriminated against for fighting a war they had no control of?

[JMintzer]

The Confederate Flag and Florida flag are now pretty much the same thing.

How so?

[haysus7]

look away, look away, look away

Good one. You have humor

[Boffin]

Dumb "pride" - racist!
Nope.

[Hardlyworking]

I was over there this morning, didn’t see any confederate flag.

[DDToto41]

confederate flag is horrible. Don't they get they lost?

Just because they fly a confederate flag doesn't mean they are from the south; they could be a Yankee racist.

[Bridget Staunton]

The southern people are proud people and its history, cannot erase history, it happened. It needs to be taught in school period

[jimjamuser]

Wouldn't US flag with Fla flag beneath it show the same? Sorry, but as a kid from Calif, I don't get it.
When I was in the USAF I met MANY southerners that were OUTWARDLY prejudiced against northerners. It seemed strange to me, but they were VERY serious about it. I imagine some of them have moved to The Villages and still retain their prejudices......which can be easily expressed by a Confederate flag. Anthropologically speaking, it is about tribalism ; they wish to show their tribal colors. It is like a don't tread on me flag. It may be intended to express dissatisfaction with Washington DC. It is like putting down the "system" and being a "rebel without a cause."

There are several Confederate flags in the Historic area.

[Byte1]

They call it free speech. It's a Constitutional thing. There is no law forbidding anyone from being "racist" but there are laws about action upon their racist ideology. Flying a flag of choice is not breaking any law. It may not be tasteful in the area of Northern migrants here in the Villages, but we have that freedom and those that do not approve have the freedom to move elsewhere. It appears that the WOKE crowd has once again proven how hysterical they can get.
Just out of curiosity, how many here have passed Ukrainian flags being displayed? For the many of those that are Russian-American do you think that would offend? I don't see any drop in housing prices. My home has doubled in value according to the present selling prices of similar homes.
Someone asked me what the black American flag with a blue strip was when we passed it. I told that person that it represented support for law enforcement or Blue Lives Matter. I bet that offends some also, right? Everyone has loyalty and pride to something and many like to display their loyalty.
Get over it. I live across the street from someone of a differing political party. Oh my! They are great neighbors.

[Bogie Shooter]

When in doubt, just use WOKE, commonly used today.

[manaboutown]

If what you say is true, and I assume you would know, then you do know those soldiers died because their side wanted to succeed from The United States of America, and form a new country where you were allowed to enslave another person to farm your crops and do other duties exclusively for you. Am I missing anything here?

Did you intend secede from the union? The Confederacy did not succeed in seceding.

Well, I was born in NJ and raised in NM and recall no acquaintances having strong feelings on either side. Doing active duty in SC in 1965 was my first southern experience. About all I can say about it is I did not care for grits - still don't. I recall seeing the Confederacy's battle flag around Columbia, SC but thought nothing of it as I accepted it as their heritage - still do. I have ancestors who were on both sides as my father was from MO and my mother from MD, both border states.

[Mrs.Guy]

When in doubt, just use WOKE, commonly used today.

:wave: We usually agree..... but not on this one. I think the appropriate word was used in this instance. :oops:

[Bogie Shooter]

When in doubt, just use WOKE, commonly used today.

:wave: We usually agree..... but not on this one. I think the appropriate word was used in this instance. :oops:

Thank you for pointing out my error, I did reread the post and you are right. :)

[Mortal1]

it's called freedom of speech. you do know who owned and wanted slaves right???

[Mortal1]

Wouldn't US flag with Fla flag beneath it show the same? Sorry, but as a kid from Calif, I don't get it.

and I lived there 6 years...did they not teach history in your schools?

[JMintzer]

Just because they fly a confederate flag doesn't mean they are from the south; they could be a Yankee racist.

Or, like my cousin (a Jewish, New York Hippy from the 60's), who grew up to be a Science Teacher, and has a fascination with all things "Civil War" related...

He'd visit us every Summer, when I was a kid, as he took his family on tours of the regional Civil War Battlegrounds in Gettysburg, MD and VA... He would wear a big ole belt buckle with the "Stars and Bars" on it...

He's had a Confederate Battle Flag and relic swords mounted on his walls for decades... He's as far from a "Yankee Racist" as one can get...

[JMintzer]

When in doubt, just use WOKE, commonly used today.

If the sleep status fits...

[JMintzer]

Did you intend secede from the union? The Confederacy did not succeed in seceding.

Well, I was born in NJ and raised in NM and recall no acquaintances having strong feelings on either side. Doing active duty in SC in 1965 was my first southern experience. About all I can say about it is I did not care for grits - still don't. I recall seeing the Confederacy's battle flag around Columbia, SC but thought nothing of it as I accepted it as their heritage - still do. I have ancestors who were on both sides as my father was from MO and my mother from MD, both border states.

YOU DON'T LIKE GRITS??? The HORROR! :laugh::laugh::laugh:

[Caymus]

About all I can say about it is I did not care for grits - still don't.

Just quadruple the price and call it polenta.

[manaboutown]

Just quadruple the price and call it polenta.


Polenta? Yuk! Anche!

Spoonbread? Also yuk.

[Garywt]

The fact that they're crosses has absolutely nothing to do with the violation...

I believe it was the fact that they were crosses that started it but has gone way passed it now.

[shut the front door]

So what’s the problem here? Real southerners (born and raised in the southern state) are proud of their heritage, not something people have made up about a flag. Freedom of speech.
If it offends you, turn your head away and look at the road instead.

Great response. I hope the OP made it to their safe space before having a stroke.

[asianthree]

Did you intend secede from the union? The Confederacy did not succeed in seceding.

Well, I was born in NJ and raised in NM and recall no acquaintances having strong feelings on either side. Doing active duty in SC in 1965 was my first southern experience. About all I can say about it is I did not care for grits - still don't. I recall seeing the Confederacy's battle flag around Columbia, SC but thought nothing of it as I accepted it as their heritage - still do. I have ancestors who were on both sides as my father was from MO and my mother from MD, both border states.

My spouse wouldn’t ever try grits, even though they were on the table couple times a week. While at our son’s restaurant in Louisville, he tried a bite of my Shrimp and Grits. Then traded plates and finish My dinner. He now realizes he never had a properly good grit, until that night.

Grits are only good if they are long cooking, to correct consistency, usually stone ground. I find most restaurants can’t properly make grits, since you can’t reheat, and usually use a quick grit mix.

Flying Biscuit makes a ok grit, if you would like to try again.

[Garywt]

For the first 30 years of my life the Confederate flag was only a symbol of Southern heritage to me. I didn't fly the flag because I'm from Illinois. Then some people decided the flag was a symbol of white supremacy, and only white supremacy. Why must the white supremacy reasoning now be the only reason that the flag is displayed?

The American history is slowly being erased by certain groups of the American people. Unfortunately not all history is positive or great but it is the history that shaped our country. Many things or people that people find offensive were actually excepted practices at the time they happed. We grew from our mistakes but our past does not need to be eliminated.

[G.R.I.T.S.]

Well, Richmond was the capital of the Confederacy.

Love it!

[JSR22]

Love it!

I am so happy I am not southern!

[manaboutown]

My spouse wouldn’t ever try grits, even though they were on the table couple times a week. While at our son’s restaurant in Louisville, he tried a bite of my Shrimp and Grits. Then traded plates and finish My dinner. He now realizes he never had a properly good grit, until that night.

Grits are only good if they are long cooking, to correct consistency, usually stone ground. I find most restaurants can’t properly make grits, since you can’t reheat, and usually use a quick grit mix.

Flying Biscuit makes a ok grit, if you would like to try again.

Thank you! I knew little about grits except they were served in the mess hall and at local restaurants. My spouse made them mixing in red NM chile. That and butter made them passably palatable to me.

[Santiagogirl]

Get over it.

[Hardlyworking]

I am so happy I am not southern!

Well, aren’t you special?

[HoosierPa]

It obviously it’s away of introducing yourself to the neighborhood. Since I don’t live in that area and if I did would just stay away from that type of person, far away. I’m sure they would be good Christian people.

What about tolerance?

[Singerlady]

Southern pride.
Find another symbol.

[Two Bills]

From what I can make out from this thread, is all these years later, the Civil War rumbles on.
Plenty of time left to sort out differences of opinion.

The war of the Roses in England lasted 32 years, and happened nearly 600 years ago, and Yorkshire and Lancashire still can't stand the sight each other!

[Hardlyworking]

What about tolerance?

That’s a one way street.

[barbnick]

I wonder if a Nazi flag is acceptable

[BlackHarley]

Few know there's a cemetary in Wildwood behind Russell Stover on CR 232 named Oak Grove. When you enter, there's a large granite Confederate monument listing the names of the proud Florida soldiers that fought and died for the South. Very touching!

[Baldawgdad]

American by birth, Southern by the Grace of God! Confederate states seceded the rest attacked! I guess you never wonder why they seceded? Not the first to consider but the first to do it. States rights were a lot bigger issue without the federal bureaucratic jungle there is today so the lack of control and high tariffs on everything Southern to benefit enterprises up yonder. By the way, reconstruction is over so I'd be careful throwing words like that around.

[Baldawgdad]

The were Traitors!
American by birth, Southern by the Grace of God! Confederate states seceded the rest attacked! I guess you never wonder why they seceded? Not the first to consider but the first to do it. States rights were a lot bigger issue without the federal bureaucratic jungle there is today so the lack of control and high tariffs on everything Southern to benefit enterprises up yonder. By the way, reconstruction is over so I'd be careful throwing words like that around.

[Gunny2403]

What’s your point. First Amendment!

[VApeople]

I wonder if a Nazi flag is acceptable

Yeah, it probably is. After our Supreme Court ruled that it is OK to burn an American flag, pretty much anything goes. We Americans love our freedoms.

If you really want to fly a Nazi flag, then take yours out of your garage, put it up, and see how many people gather to admire it.

[Lindaws]

So! This is part of our great history.

[The Chipster]

Whether it is the confederate flag, statues of confederate generals, or other southern pride tokens, can you imagine if there were these items of idolatry to Hitler displayed around Germany? Perhaps you scoff, but the confederate flags are highly offensive to the majority of Americans, just like a Nazi flag would be abhorrent to almost all Germans.

[Two Bills]

Whether it is the confederate flag, statues of confederate generals, or other southern pride tokens, can you imagine if there were these items of idolatry to Hitler displayed around Germany? Perhaps you scoff, but the confederate flags are highly offensive to the majority of Americans, just like a Nazi flag would be abhorrent to almost all Germans.

The further south you get in Germany, and even into Austria, you might be surprised how many people would fly that flag.

[manaboutown]

Upon reflection I recall many of the Southerners I encountered in SC back in 1965 referred to what I call "The Civil War" as "The War Between The States".

Over the years I spent periods of time in various regions of the USA and found that the cultures all varied a bit from one another. People were for the most part pretty friendly but they looked at things a little differently, spoke with varying degrees of politeness/gruffness and had somewhat differing diets. It is after all, a large country.

[mikeycereal]

Perhaps the more attention these people require, the better. Helps me to identify who the knuckleheads are. :duck:

[Kenswing]

Upon reflection I recall many of the Southerners I encountered in SC back in 1965 referred to what I call "The Civil War" as "The War Between The States".

Over the years I spent periods of time in various regions of the USA and found that the cultures all varied a bit from one another. People were for the most part pretty friendly but they looked at things a little differently, spoke with varying degrees of politeness/gruffness and had somewhat differing diets. It is after all, a large country.
I’ve also heard it referred to as the war of northern aggression.

I just can’t get myself all worked up over this. This flag doesn’t bother me any more than all the stupid political flags, pride flags or even college flags. If someone wants to fly a purple turtle flag I just don’t care. It’s not something I’m willing to waste the energy to get upset about.

[Rodneysblue]

Where exactly was this? I’ve seen a pole with a Grand Union flag flown with the American flag down here but not a Confederate flag.

I agree. Please post a picture of this flag with the American flag. They may be mistaken, it could even be the Union Jack.

[mlmarr]

yes, but you moved here.. sound like more issues then a flag of freedom .. your in the south ..

[Whitley]

Originally Posted by Vermilion Villager View Post
And what did I see? A confederate flag....It was even on the same pole as the American flag.


That is absolutely awful.

Would you rather it had its own flagpole?

[Whitley]

Originally Posted by Keefelane66 View Post
The First Looser Society

Is that like Weight Watchers?

I am thinking the first looser (as opposed to tighter?) comment was made by a kid. Let us be nice now.

[Whitley]

I was over there this morning, didn’t see any confederate flag.

Fake Virtue Signal is all.

[Oldragbagger]

I grew up in Kentucky, technically a state loyal to the Union, but being a border state loyalties were divided and often members of the same household served on opposite sides. As a previous poster accurately stated it was called The War of Northern Aggression by many in the south. I had a great-great grandfather who served on each side of the conflict. I have spent many years studying my family history and the gggfather who fought for the Confederacy owned no slaves so I doubt he fought and died to protect other’s rights to do so. The war was about more than just slavery. It was also about the economy, resources, and states rights in an era where people felt the government had become radical and too controlling. (Ring any bells?) Much like the issues that led to the American Revolution. I am no less or more proud of one ancestor over another and I make no claim to know what their personal motivations were at the time. Just as no one knows what that person’s motivation is for flying that flag in the Village of Richmond. Maybe they’re saying it’s time for another civil war. Maybe they are history buffs and the Civil War was their area of expertise. Maybe they are just proud of their southern heritage, and not because of slavery necessarily. There are areas of the country today where conversations are being had about secession by serious and intelligent people. Whether or not they are right is very subjective, but their right to discuss whatever they want is not.

At any rate, we are grown people here who have lived through a lot of history and an overwhelming amount of change. We have all been exposed to many radical ideas over the course of our fairly long lives and we have survived. Our skins should be thick enough to be able to handle being around people of differing ideas without melting down. The day they outlaw the right to have differing opinions is the day you should really start to worry, not the day you see a piece of cloth of a certain design on a flagpole.

[Gracelane]

look away, look away, look away
🤣🤣🤣 Perfect response! 🎶You win the internet! Oh, pardon me🤪 I meant “Y’all”! 🤣🤣🤣

[JMintzer]

I believe it was the fact that they were crosses that started it but has gone way passed it now.

I believe that what you believe is incorrect...

Lawn Ornaments in general...

[JMintzer]

My spouse wouldn’t ever try grits, even though they were on the table couple times a week. While at our son’s restaurant in Louisville, he tried a bite of my Shrimp and Grits. Then traded plates and finish My dinner. He now realizes he never had a properly good grit, until that night.

Grits are only good if they are long cooking, to correct consistency, usually stone ground. I find most restaurants can’t properly make grits, since you can’t reheat, and usually use a quick grit mix.

Flying Biscuit makes a ok grit, if you would like to try again.

Take a trip to Charleston, SC... Go to "Fleet's Landing"... The best Shrimp & Grits I've ever had...

[JMintzer]

Whether it is the confederate flag, statues of confederate generals, or other southern pride tokens, can you imagine if there were these items of idolatry to Hitler displayed around Germany? Perhaps you scoff, but the confederate flags are highly offensive to the majority of Americans, just like a Nazi flag would be abhorrent to almost all Germans.

I declare a violation of Godwin's Law... Your point is invalid...

[Love2Swim]

The confederate flag was flown during the Civil War when 11 states broke from the nation to defend the practice of slavery. And most recently it has been claimed by white supremacists and other hate groups , such as those who stormed our capitol on January 6. It has been used by the Ku Klux Klan for decades. In 1956, two years after the Supreme Court had declared school segregation illegal, the state of Georgia incorporated the battle flag into its official state flag as a symbol of resistance to integration. In 1960, when six-year-old Ruby Bridges became the first Black child to attend an all-white school in the South, she was met by crowds of white people who threw stones at her, called her the N-word, and waved the Confederate flag. So I laugh at those who say the flag represents Southern Heritage. For black southerners it certainly represents their southern heritage - terror, torture, and oppression.

[Gracelane]

Take a trip to Charleston, SC... Go to "Fleet's Landing"... The best Shrimp & Grits I've ever had...

Nothing as good as True Grits.❤️*🔥🫶🏻

[Whitley]

The were Traitors!

Now you are being silly.

[asianthree]

Take a trip to Charleston, SC... Go to "Fleet's Landing"... The best Shrimp & Grits I've ever had...

Lou Lou’s in Louisville. Chef and owner is from Louisville, trained in NOLA. (Restaurant is named after both, There isn’t one thing I don’t love at that restaurant. Origami site is small, but they are opening a new place near downtown.

I have eaten at Fleet’s, and while I really liked their S&G, Lou Lou’s is still my favorite. I grew up making grits at a young age. Alway got our grits directly from a stone mill. Now we add different cheeses, and always use pink shrimp

[JMintzer]

The confederate flag was flown during the Civil War when 11 states broke from the nation to defend the practice of slavery. And most recently it has been claimed by white supremacists and other hate groups , such as those who stormed our capitol on January 6. It has been used by the Ku Klux Klan for decades. In 1956, two years after the Supreme Court had declared school segregation illegal, the state of Georgia incorporated the battle flag into its official state flag as a symbol of resistance to integration. In 1960, when six-year-old Ruby Bridges became the first Black child to attend an all-white school in the South, she was met by crowds of white people who threw stones at her, called her the N-word, and waved the Confederate flag. So I laugh at those who say the flag represents Southern Heritage. For black southerners it certainly represents their southern heritage - terror, torture, and oppression.

Interesting...

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/06/30/why-some-black-defenders-of-the-confederate-flag-believe-slavery-was-a-choice/

[Joe C.]

I have lived in New England all my life ..... until I moved here 5 years ago. I'm a dyed in the wool Yankee. However, I find nothing wrong with seeing the "Confederate" flag waving in the breeze. It's a source of pride for many southeners, and it really has nothing to do with slavery. It's just the misinformation that has been put out there for several generations, that people start to believe that misnomer. And if the Confederate flag offends people, then I feel sorry for them because they really are emotionally weak, thin skinned people.
Go visit a Civil War cemetery in S. Carolina and read the headstones. There are hundreds of Yankee dead buried there, and their burial was respectful and honorable. The headstones are engraved with the soldier's name, unit, state and date of death, and even today, the cemetery is well preserved, and open to all visitors.

[CorZd]

It is flying at the entrance of Verandas North/Richmond North, Henrico Ave.

[CorZd]

I agree. Please post a picture of this flag with the American flag. They may be mistaken, it could even be the Union Jack.
Nope, it’s the confederate flag. Flying at the entrance of Verandas North, Henrico Ave

[JMintzer]

With the recent state of Wokeism Florida will be rewriting laws to revise history, everything will be alright. Someday you will never hear or read about the Rosewood (1923)and Ocoee (1920) Massacre or the Dade (1835) Massacre and Axe Handle Saturday (1960).

Care to cite a source for that ridiculous claim?

[CorZd]

I was over there this morning, didn’t see any confederate flag.
Henrico Ave. Entrance to Verandas North.

[Love2Swim]

I have lived in New England all my life ..... until I moved here 5 years ago. I'm a dyed in the wool Yankee. However, I find nothing wrong with seeing the "Confederate" flag waving in the breeze. It's a source of pride for many southeners, and it really has nothing to do with slavery. It's just the misinformation that has been put out there for several generations, that people start to believe that misnomer. And if the Confederate flag offends people, then I feel sorry for them because they really are emotionally weak, thin skinned people.
Go visit a Civil War cemetery in S. Carolina and read the headstones. There are hundreds of Yankee dead buried there, and their burial was respectful and honorable. The headstones are engraved with the soldier's name, unit, state and date of death, and even today, the cemetery is well preserved, and open to all visitors.

Good one. :a20:

[Brynnie]

And what did I see? A confederate flag....It was even on the same pole as the American flag.

Last I heard, this was still the United States of America. We “Northerners” came down here for the warm weather and comfortable standard of living. If someone wants to fly the confederate flag on their private property, that’s their right. We may be offended by it, but everyone will be offended by something at some point. As another commenter said, if you don’t like it, don’t look at it. We can’t live our lives trying to please other people. That’s what’s called Freedom. Ask the protesters in China about that.

[VApeople]

Last I heard, this was still the United States of America. We “Northerners” came down here for the warm weather and comfortable standard of living. If someone wants to fly the confederate flag on their private property, that’s their right. We may be offended by it, but everyone will be offended by something at some point. As another commenter said, if you don’t like it, don’t look at it. We can’t live our lives trying to please other people. That’s what’s called Freedom. Ask the protesters in China about that.

Thanks, Brynnie. That is one of the many very intelligent posts in this thread.

[manaboutown]

One flag makes me very happy when I see it. Martini Time!