Just curious

[Pairadocs]

Over the years of using TOTV, I've never paid much attention to "statistics", mine or anyone else's. But recently, due to a comment someone made on a very different subject, but called attention to the "statistics" of the person who made the comment, I noticed them for the first time really. I was surprised to find those who have made literally thousands of posts and been "thanked" thousands of times, but have never (0) thanked anyone ever for a their comment, helpful tip, or post. Could that really be accurate ? Just seemed a bit hard to believe that people on here that many times have never found anything helpful or worth a "thanks" ?? Have no idea, just struck me as very curious was all ! I thought....LOL... are these actually "bots", LOL, so they don't "thank" others, like human beings...LOL ! ? In all seriousness, just seemed strange and never noticed in all the years since they first started this over at Crisper's on Fridays ! BTW, I miss Crisper's...but apparently I'm in the minority for sure...LOL !

[retiredguy123]

I think the statistics are accurate. I wonder about the posters who often criticize threads, but they have never actually started a thread themselves.

[stevecmo]

Yes, they walk amung us.

[eweissenbach]

Over the years of using TOTV, I've never paid much attention to "statistics", mine or anyone else's. But recently, due to a comment someone made on a very different subject, but called attention to the "statistics" of the person who made the comment, I noticed them for the first time really. I was surprised to find those who have made literally thousands of posts and been "thanked" thousands of times, but have never (0) thanked anyone ever for a their comment, helpful tip, or post. Could that really be accurate ? Just seemed a bit hard to believe that people on here that many times have never found anything helpful or worth a "thanks" ?? Have no idea, just struck me as very curious was all ! I thought....LOL... are these actually "bots", LOL, so they don't "thank" others, like human beings...LOL ! ? In all seriousness, just seemed strange and never noticed in all the years since they first started this over at Crisper's on Fridays ! BTW, I miss Crisper's...but apparently I'm in the minority for sure...LOL !

I miss the Crispers get togethers too. Back in 11, 12, 13, and 14 it was a chance to actually get to know other posters. I think it makes it less likely to give or receive a snarky or downright mean reply if you actually know the other posters. Of course there were a lot fewer regular posters in those days. Typically on any thread I would actually know half and more of the posters and that made it fun. A lot of those “old timers” are either gone or decided to pursue other interests.

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

I don’t know why someone cares whether they get likes or no likes , if I post something , it’s just my opinion . For those that need to be validated , maybe they can make a virtual participation trophy to make you feel warm and fuzzy . Go Eagles

[Ecuadog]

... I was surprised to find those who have made literally thousands of posts and been "thanked" thousands of times, but have never (0) thanked anyone ever for a their comment, helpful tip, or post. ...

Personally, I would rather post a thank-you-note than click a button.

[Bogie Shooter]

Personally, I would rather post a thank-you-note than click a button.

I agree and do.

[CoachKandSportsguy]

could be a bot which goes through posts and if anyone says thanks in the post, the OP gets a thanks count. ..

just a programmers point of view

[Velvet]

could be a bot which goes through posts and if anyone says thanks in the post, the OP gets a thanks count. ..

just a programmers point of view

When I first joined the forum there was no “like” button and I preferred it that way. The “like” probably came about as a popular item on other forums, Facebook etc. I refused to use it for a whole year. Then I started to see that hitting “like” can mean agreeing with a post or thanking other posters for considering and often helping you in your situation. So I started to use it myself. The reason you may see thousands of “thank you” for one poster, is because if one writes a post many people agree with, that post can get 20 “likes”. Ten such post, 200 likes/thank you.

I’ve kept tabs on my count occasionally, and it has always been accurate. You get a feeling for most posters from what they write, how consistent they are, etc to recognize them. You also get a feeling for trolls after you’ve been on the forum enough.

Some people never say “like” because they are not used to it, like I was initially. They may actually not like the “like” function. So we are different. It’s all good.

[Mortal1]

Well if it happened face-to-face or by cell I'd thank them. On-line...meh! a person may or may not thank them. either way that attitude reeks of virtue signaling. if someone posts something on line and it helps some people I think that's great. I do not expect a thank and am happy to believe I helped someone. There is something wrong if they always expect a thank you. it's like that is the reason when in fact doing something good is really it's own reward.

[Caymus]

I wouldn't be surprised if the threads that generate the most "thanks" are the ones that are eventually closed.

[JMintzer]

I would surmise that many do not even know that feature exists...

A "LIKE" button would be more appropriate...

[REDCART]

I would surmise that many do not even know that feature exists...

A "LIKE" button would be more appropriate...

I have to admit my stupidity. Is the thumbs-up button the like button?

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Over the years of using TOTV, I've never paid much attention to "statistics", mine or anyone else's. But recently, due to a comment someone made on a very different subject, but called attention to the "statistics" of the person who made the comment, I noticed them for the first time really. I was surprised to find those who have made literally thousands of posts and been "thanked" thousands of times, but have never (0) thanked anyone ever for a their comment, helpful tip, or post. Could that really be accurate ? Just seemed a bit hard to believe that people on here that many times have never found anything helpful or worth a "thanks" ?? Have no idea, just struck me as very curious was all ! I thought....LOL... are these actually "bots", LOL, so they don't "thank" others, like human beings...LOL ! ? In all seriousness, just seemed strange and never noticed in all the years since they first started this over at Crisper's on Fridays ! BTW, I miss Crisper's...but apparently I'm in the minority for sure...LOL !

The "thanks" thing is comparatively new to ToTV. Some folks just aren't interested in participating it. That's fine. It also doesn't mean they have nothing to contribute, or that their posts aren't thanks-worthy. So they get thanked. But they don't reciprocate because they're really not interested in that aspect of the forum.

I'm fine with that. I participate and don't fault anyone for choosing not to.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

I would surmise that many do not even know that feature exists...

A "LIKE" button would be more appropriate...

The thumbs up /is/ the like button. It's a common symbol in most fora, and on other social media.

[retiredguy123]

I don't understand why people don't thank all of my posts all of the time.

[Taltarzac725]

I don't understand why people don't thank all of my posts all of the time.

I just did.

[retiredguy123]

I just did.
Thanks!

[Toymeister]

When I first joined the forum there was no “like” button and I preferred it that way. The “like” probably came about as a popular item on other forums, Facebook etc. I refused to use it for a whole year. Then I started to see that hitting “like” can mean agreeing with a post or thanking other posters for considering and often helping you in your situation. So I started to use it myself. The reason you may see thousands of “thank you” for one poster, is because if one writes a post many people agree with, that post can get 20 “likes”. Ten such post, 200 likes/thank you.

I’ve kept tabs on my count occasionally, and it has always been accurate. You get a feeling for most posters from what they write, how consistent they are, etc to recognize them. You also get a feeling for trolls after you’ve been on the forum enough.

Some people never say “like” because they are not used to it, like I was initially. They may actually not like the “like” function. So we are different. It’s all good.

Blame me. I posted the absence of the like button, it appeared a few weeks later.

[bragones]

Does a click on the thumbs up/ like button result in giving a poster a thanked statistic? I assume yes as I don’t see a specific “thank” button but thought I’d check to see if I’m missing something.

[me4vt]

We’ll bless Your Heart;)

[La lamy]

I do use the thumbs up 'like' icon and/or reply my thanks/like on the thread. I personally am curious whether people agree or disagree with my opinions, so I do look to see if I got 'likes' or replied to with various opinions.
I wish I could see which people 'liked' my opinions though. I can't seem to find that info in my statistic page.

[TOMCAT]

When I first joined the forum there was no “like” button and I preferred it that way. The “like” probably came about as a popular item on other forums, Facebook etc. I refused to use it for a whole year. Then I started to see that hitting “like” can mean agreeing with a post or thanking other posters for considering and often helping you in your situation. So I started to use it myself. The reason you may see thousands of “thank you” for one poster, is because if one writes a post many people agree with, that post can get 20 “likes”. Ten such post, 200 likes/thank you.

I’ve kept tabs on my count occasionally, and it has always been accurate. You get a feeling for most posters from what they write, how consistent they are, etc to recognize them. You also get a feeling for trolls after you’ve been on the forum enough.

Some people never say “like” because they are not used to it, like I was initially. They may actually not like the “like” function. So we are different. It’s all good.
I did not know the thumbs up button was the thanks button. I am just finding this out in this post. Thank you for letting me know. I had no idea that it existed before.

[Blackbird45]

I think the statistics are accurate. I wonder about the posters who often criticize threads, but they have never actually started a thread themselves.

I've never started a thread; how do you go about that?
Also, I'm curious, I will open the site sometimes as soon as it comes in and there are dozens of responses already listed.

[TOMCAT]

I do use the thumbs up 'like' icon and/or reply my thanks/like on the thread. I personally am curious whether people agree or disagree with my opinions, so I do look to see if I got 'likes' or replied to with various opinions.
I wish I could see which people 'liked' my opinions though. I can't seem to find that info in my statistic page.
In your profile, you will find a category titled “Total Thanks” in the statistics. I have just found this feature myself.

[retiredguy123]

I've never started a thread; how do you go about that?
Also, I'm curious, I will open the site sometimes as soon as it comes in and there are dozens of responses already listed.
Click on a forum title, like "computer questions" or "landscape talk". Then, scroll down and click on "post new thread".

[Byte1]

I do use the thumbs up 'like' icon and/or reply my thanks/like on the thread. I personally am curious whether people agree or disagree with my opinions, so I do look to see if I got 'likes' or replied to with various opinions.
I wish I could see which people 'liked' my opinions though. I can't seem to find that info in my statistic page.

When you see a plus sign (+) under your post, click on it and it will tell you the ID of the "thanks" or thumbs up that you have on that comment.

[ronwinger]

I think, I thought, I sorta-kinda knew what the Thumbs-Up button was there for, now I do not know. As with most things on the internet today. The new language of today is not too easy to understand. Now I understand how my parents felt as they did not understand setting the VCR etc, back in the day. For instance what does "Post Quick Reply" actually mean? What kind of statement is that? Sometimes, I have to wonder.... is it just me? I truly don't think so. Thank You for your time/ Have a wonderful day!

[MandoMan]

Over the years of using TOTV, I've never paid much attention to "statistics", mine or anyone else's. But recently, due to a comment someone made on a very different subject, but called attention to the "statistics" of the person who made the comment, I noticed them for the first time really. I was surprised to find those who have made literally thousands of posts and been "thanked" thousands of times, but have never (0) thanked anyone ever for a their comment, helpful tip, or post. Could that really be accurate ? Just seemed a bit hard to believe that people on here that many times have never found anything helpful or worth a "thanks" ?? Have no idea, just struck me as very curious was all ! I thought....LOL... are these actually "bots", LOL, so they don't "thank" others, like human beings...LOL ! ? In all seriousness, just seemed strange and never noticed in all the years since they first started this over at Crisper's on Fridays ! BTW, I miss Crisper's...but apparently I'm in the minority for sure...LOL !

Yes, you are correct. Some people simply never hit the like button. I “like” posts that I find thoughtful, interesting, or helpful. That doesn’t usually include one sentence responses. I don’t “like” posts just because I agree. I like posts by, say, the guys who know how to fix things and explain how to do it. I like posts by people who recommend excellent businesses or people.

If I write something here, usually I think about it and try to write something worth reading, helpful, substantial. (Note: if you respond EARLY, the day before something reaches the e-mail version, it will be seen by more people and perhaps get liked more. But I never get around to doing that.) I’ve noticed that I may spend a half hour writing a useful response with links and photos, yet no one likes it. But if I write something in line with one of our many local prejudices or peeves, I might get several likes. Ten likes on one post? Never on mine, so far as I can remember.

[Larchap49]

Over the years of using TOTV, I've never paid much attention to "statistics", mine or anyone else's. But recently, due to a comment someone made on a very different subject, but called attention to the "statistics" of the person who made the comment, I noticed them for the first time really. I was surprised to find those who have made literally thousands of posts and been "thanked" thousands of times, but have never (0) thanked anyone ever for a their comment, helpful tip, or post. Could that really be accurate ? Just seemed a bit hard to believe that people on here that many times have never found anything helpful or worth a "thanks" ?? Have no idea, just struck me as very curious was all ! I thought....LOL... are these actually "bots", LOL, so they don't "thank" others, like human beings...LOL ! ? In all seriousness, just seemed strange and never noticed in all the years since they first started this over at Crisper's on Fridays ! BTW, I miss Crisper's...but apparently I'm in the minority for sure...LOL !

Thanks I never noticed

[Chamo]

Hmmm you have to wonder is the Chinese behind the post like tic-toc

[Worldseries27]

well if it happened face-to-face or by cell i'd thank them. On-line...meh! A person may or may not thank them. Either way that attitude reeks of virtue signaling. If someone posts something on line and it helps some people i think that's great. I do not expect a thank and am happy to believe i helped someone. There is something wrong if they always expect a thank you. It's like that is the reason when in fact doing something good is really it's own reward.
does that mean i have to give the money back ?

[JMintzer]

The thumbs up /is/ the like button. It's a common symbol in most fora, and on other social media.

"Most"? Not the one's I frequent...

It took me a while to realize it was a "Like" button since the response to clicking on it (a thank) is also odd...

[jojo]

I miss the Crispers get togethers too. Back in 11, 12, 13, and 14 it was a chance to actually get to know other posters. I think it makes it less likely to give or receive a snarky or downright mean reply if you actually know the other posters. Of course there were a lot fewer regular posters in those days. Typically on any thread I would actually know half and more of the posters and that made it fun. A lot of those “old timers” are either gone or decided to pursue other interests.

Crispers was a great place to meet TOTV friends. I started in 2008 when my husband was still working in Ohio. I still have friends from those days. And yes the platform was friendlier and likely our face-to-face meetings helped.

[PugMom]

I would surmise that many do not even know that feature exists...

A "LIKE" button would be more appropriate...

i just 'liked' that!! :highfive:

[Ken D.]

Over the years of using TOTV, I've never paid much attention to "statistics", mine or anyone else's. But recently, due to a comment someone made on a very different subject, but called attention to the "statistics" of the person who made the comment, I noticed them for the first time really. I was surprised to find those who have made literally thousands of posts and been "thanked" thousands of times, but have never (0) thanked anyone ever for a their comment, helpful tip, or post. Could that really be accurate ? Just seemed a bit hard to believe that people on here that many times have never found anything helpful or worth a "thanks" ?? Have no idea, just struck me as very curious was all ! I thought....LOL... are these actually "bots", LOL, so they don't "thank" others, like human beings...LOL ! ? In all seriousness, just seemed strange and never noticed in all the years since they first started this over at Crisper's on Fridays ! BTW, I miss Crisper's...but apparently I'm in the minority for sure...LOL !
Maybe I should start a new post, but isn't the LOL acronym grossly overused by many?

[TOTV Team]

We wanted to provide some more content on this post.

1) There are no bots that we run on the website. Since a user would have to be registered and logged into their account to have the 'like' or 'thumbs up' button, we are confident that numbers are actual numbers.

2) The '+' will show you on your specific post who 'liked' or 'thanked' you for the information.

3) The Crispers lunch was very popular. It was most recently being organized by users on the website and not TOTV. TOTV would support and announce the luncheon for the users who were organizing it. There were occasions where TOTV would pay for the entire luncheon. If any users would like to organize this in the future you can reach out to us for support.

Thanks for all your support!

TOTV Team

[La lamy]

When you see a plus sign (+) under your post, click on it and it will tell you the ID of the "thanks" or thumbs up that you have on that comment.

Got it. Thank you!!!

[La lamy]

In case you come back to this thread the "quick reply" has less options to add to your reply hence "quick". If you want to add font sizes, colours etc... you'll want to hit the "reply" icon.

[La lamy]

In case you come back to this thread the "quick reply" has less options to add to your reply hence "quick". If you want to add font sizes, colours etc... you'll want to hit the "reply" icon.

Also just realized when you do "quick reply" it doesn't add any other posts to your comment. Only "reply" seems to add the post you want to reply to.

[graciegirl]

The thumbs up /is/ the like button. It's a common symbol in most fora, and on other social media.

Although acceptable,the word fora to me sounds a bit gooney as a plural. I like the plural; FORUMS.

If we all liked the same thing, they would only sell vanilla. And Reeces.

[Ecuadog]

... I like the plural; FORUMS. ...

Me too, Gracie.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Although acceptable,the word fora to me sounds a bit gooney as a plural. I like the plural; FORUMS.

If we all liked the same thing, they would only sell vanilla. And Reeces.

Although acceptable, the word FORUMS sounds loud and pedestrian. I like the etymologically correct plural; fora.

If we all liked the same thing, they would only sell chocolate. And M&Ms.

[Kenswing]

Fora or Forums. Call them whatever you want. Hasn’t this nit been picked already?

[CoachKandSportsguy]

"Most"? Not the one's I frequent...

It took me a while to realize it was a "Like" button since the response to clicking on it (a thank) is also odd...

and can you even see your results? like who did i thank or who thank me?

seems mysterious.

troglodyte guy

[JMintzer]

Although acceptable, the word FORUMS sounds loud and pedestrian.

https://media1.giphy.com/media/wcSiwjzmtVDbO/giphy.gif

[JMintzer]

and can you even see your results? like who did i thank or who thank me?

seems mysterious.

troglodyte guy

Yes. Once someone has "liked/thanked" or "thumbs upped" your post, the thumb up will change to a "plus sign"...

If you click on that, there will be the person, or a list of people, who have given you said "thumb up"...

[JMintzer]

Yes. Once someone has "liked/thanked" or "thumbs upped" your post, the thumb up will change to a "plus sign"...

If you click on that, there will be the person, or a list of people, who have given you said "thumb up"...

AFA seeing who you've thanked? No idea... Except maybe checking the "plus sign" on individual posts to see if your name is there. I don't think there's a list of all of the thanks you've given anywhere

[manaboutown]

Although acceptable,the word fora to me sounds a bit gooney as a plural. I like the plural; FORUMS.

If we all liked the same thing, they would only sell vanilla. And Reeces.

By any chance do you mean Reese's? Reese's Peanut Butter Cups - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reese%27s_Peanut_Butter_Cups)

Also I will stick with fora vs. forums and with flora vs. florums.

[CoachKandSportsguy]

Join Date: Feb 2021
Location: No matter where you go, there you are.
Posts: 6,117
Thanks: 396
Thanked 4,977 Times in 2,474 Posts


That's like a 2:1 ratio of thanks on thanked post, and 40% of the posts have been thanked. . .

pretty impressive stats, i guess the sage rating correctly means old man pundit.
:bigbow:

[Pairadocs]

I think the statistics are accurate. I wonder about the posters who often criticize threads, but they have never actually started a thread themselves.

Yes, that one thing started me wondering about the whole "statistics" thing...

[Pairadocs]

I don't understand why people don't thank all of my posts all of the time.

LOL. LOL, LOL... love it. Now that's the fun part of all this, a smile once in awhile and subtle, and not so subtle.... humor. Here's to a smile and civility !

[Pairadocs]

Blame me. I posted the absence of the like button, it appeared a few weeks later.

:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh: No way....LOL... already a little too much "blame" running around these villages...LOL !

[Pairadocs]

I did not know the thumbs up button was the thanks button. I am just finding this out in this post. Thank you for letting me know. I had no idea that it existed before.

Well since I went years without noticing any of that, didn't even know you could "check" the statistics, that's why I posted I was only "curious". I don't do FB (I know, shocking anyone left in the world who does not...LOL!) but I know the "like" is HUGE on that platform, it's ALL about having others "like" you !

[Pairadocs]

Hmmm you have to wonder is the Chinese behind the post like tic-toc


Another smile for the day.... "thanks" ! :mademyday:

[Pairadocs]

Crispers was a great place to meet TOTV friends. I started in 2008 when my husband was still working in Ohio. I still have friends from those days. And yes the platform was friendlier and likely our face-to-face meetings helped.

Oh I totally agree, at one time there was no subtle, or overt, putting others down. When they first started, it was ALL about helping each other, giving "heads up" on various things going on, people posted items they found such as (found _____ on golf cart path near _____. Call to identify). And people offered things they could not longer use, it's definitely expanded and evolved over the years. I do think people were kinder in their remarks when so many met and socialized with others, but there were FAR fewer residents back then ! I LIKED Crisper's food, apparently I was in the minority or it would sill be there....LOL !

[Worldseries27]

by any chance do you mean reese's? reese's peanut butter cups - wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/reese%27s_peanut_butter_cups)

also i will stick with fora vs. Forums and with flora vs. Florums.
fora this
GOODNIGHT GRACIE

[RobinM]

I would surmise that many do not even know that feature exists...

A "LIKE" button would be more appropriate...

I am one of those who didn’t know about this feature. Now that I do, I may use it. I would also like to have the opportunity to click a ‘dislike’ button.

[JMintzer]

That's like a 2:1 ratio of thanks on thanked post, and 40% of the posts have been thanked. . .

pretty impressive stats, i guess the sage rating correctly means old man pundit.
:bigbow:

Nah... It just means I post a lot... :o

Your post count determines those titles...

[TOMCAT]

Well since I went years without noticing any of that, didn't even know you could "check" the statistics, that's why I posted I was only "curious". I don't do FB (I know, shocking anyone left in the world who does not...LOL!) but I know the "like" is HUGE on that platform, it's ALL about having others "like" you !
I think when I first went on TOTV, the thumbs-up button did not exist. I could be wrong, though. Maybe I did not notice it.

[MidWestIA]

this gets WAY to cluttered already with comments that don't say much we don't need to add to it with a thanks

[coffeebean]

I would surmise that many do not even know that feature exists...

A "LIKE" button would be more appropriate...

I would think most people have noticed the “thumbs up” button and clicked on it to see what it does. Human nature. No?

[retiredguy123]

I would think most people have noticed the “thumbs up” button and clicked on it to see what it does. Human nature. No?
Reminds me of the "Born Loser" cartoon. There is a red button on the wall with a sign that says "Do Not Press the Button".

He presses it and falls through a trap door in the floor.

[coffeebean]

Although acceptable,the word fora to me sounds a bit gooney as a plural. I like the plural; FORUMS.

If we all liked the same thing, they would only sell vanilla. And Reeces.

Hi GG……good to see you back on this forum.

[coffeebean]

Reminds me of the "Born Loser" cartoon. There is a red button on the wall with a sign that says "Do Not Press the Button".

He presses it and falls through a trap door in the floor.

Yup. Human nature.

[JMintzer]

I would think most people have noticed the “thumbs up” button and clicked on it to see what it does. Human nature. No?

I did, after several months... But I'm the kind of guy who likes to "Push Buttons"...


:evil6::evil6::evil6:

[Boomer]

Never mind

[Boomer]

Over the years of using TOTV, I've never paid much attention to "statistics", mine or anyone else's. But recently, due to a comment someone made on a very different subject, but called attention to the "statistics" of the person who made the comment, I noticed them for the first time really. I was surprised to find those who have made literally thousands of posts and been "thanked" thousands of times, but have never (0) thanked anyone ever for a their comment, helpful tip, or post. Could that really be accurate ? Just seemed a bit hard to believe that people on here that many times have never found anything helpful or worth a "thanks" ?? Have no idea, just struck me as very curious was all ! I thought....LOL... are these actually "bots", LOL, so they don't "thank" others, like human beings...LOL ! ? In all seriousness, just seemed strange and never noticed in all the years since they first started this over at Crisper's on Fridays ! BTW, I miss Crisper's...but apparently I'm in the minority for sure...LOL !


Hi Pairadocs,

I have been around here forever, too. Yes. Things have certainly changed in a lot of ways and everywhere. TOTV is a microcosm often reflecting those changes. I do appreciate the fact that the moderators keep things from getting out of hand. If they did not do so, TOTV would have turned into just another internet cesspool of dysinformation and divisive behavior — and I would have left.

I am not on Facebook. TOTV is my only social media. I show up to post as kind of a hobby, like some people do puzzles or crochet. I get more into posting on days when I am procrastinating because I have work to do that I don’t want to do.

Sometimes when I think about all the posts I have written here, I say to myself, “Geez, Boomer, you coulda written 3 plays or gone to law school with all the words you have spent on TOTV.”

But I keep on posting. (sigh) Having been around since long before the thank you thing, I guess I am not doing it for validation.

Boomer

[Two Bills]

I did, after several months... But I'm the kind of guy who likes to "Push Buttons"...
:evil6::evil6::evil6:

Understatement of the Year Winner!
:eclipsee_gold_cup:

[JMintzer]

Understatement of the Year Winner!
:eclipsee_gold_cup:

https://66.media.tumblr.com/9694967deb5d9da0c32e544ad4d8a4de/tumblr_ptui4u01y31r2pp2to1_500.gif

[jimjamuser]

I did, after several months... But I'm the kind of guy who likes to "Push Buttons"...


:evil6::evil6::evil6:
True that !