Cooling Is Coming

[sounding]

Global warming is producing the first of several large cold and snowy storms out West -- and yet to come Nor'easters out East. Notice that The Weather Channel (TWC) no longer talks about "global warming." They do, however, sometimes mention the minor cooling affects of La Nina, but ignore the major cooling affects of the PDO. Find out why this massive cooling is happening and why TWC is afraid to talk about the PDO. This and much more will be discussed Dec 15 at 1:30 PM at Laurel Manor.

[MrFlorida]

can of worms, coming up.......... 3-2-1

[Two Bills]

Yay!!
Another "show me the 'Data' thread!"

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Yes, worms cause global warming ... The power of earthworm poop and how it could influence climate change | CBC News (https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/earthworms-climate-change-carbon-research-1.5370724) So the more that are eaten, the cooler the earth will become.

[sounding]

Yay!!
Another "show me the 'Data' thread!"

Dec 15 at 1:30 PM as Laurel Manor, because you won't find it at The Weather Channel or the typical media.

[kkingston57]

Global warming is producing the first of several large cold and snowy storms out West -- and yet to come Nor'easters out East. Notice that The Weather Channel (TWC) no longer talks about "global warming." They do, however, sometimes mention the minor cooling affects of La Nina, but ignore the major cooling affects of the PDO. Find out why this massive cooling is happening and why TWC is afraid to talk about the PDO. This and much more will be discussed Dec 15 at 1:30 PM at Laurel Manor.

Massive cooling? Two years ago, we had 10 days in the 30's before Chrismas and 1st day in the 30's this year might be next weekend.

[walterray1]

Global warming is producing the first of several large cold and snowy storms out West -- and yet to come Nor'easters out East. Notice that The Weather Channel (TWC) no longer talks about "global warming." They do, however, sometimes mention the minor cooling affects of La Nina, but ignore the major cooling affects of the PDO. Find out why this massive cooling is happening and why TWC is afraid to talk about the PDO. This and much more will be discussed Dec 15 at 1:30 PM at Laurel Manor.

Sounds riveting.

[Chi-Town]

You don't need a weather man to know which way the wind blows - Bob Dylan

[ThirdOfFive]

Global warming is producing the first of several large cold and snowy storms out West -- and yet to come Nor'easters out East. Notice that The Weather Channel (TWC) no longer talks about "global warming." They do, however, sometimes mention the minor cooling affects of La Nina, but ignore the major cooling affects of the PDO. Find out why this massive cooling is happening and why TWC is afraid to talk about the PDO. This and much more will be discussed Dec 15 at 1:30 PM at Laurel Manor.
Hmmmmm...lessee...

The earth is getting warmer. So the earth is getting colder.

Yep. Makes perfect sense to me!

[Keefelane66]

It's beginning to sound like a broken record.

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Hmmmmm...lessee...

The earth is getting warmer. So the earth is getting colder.

Yep. Makes perfect sense to me!

Actually, that's what Obama's chief scientist (John Holdren) indicated ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQSSOnJgPpY

[Worldseries27]

global warming is producing the first of several large cold and snowy storms out west -- and yet to come nor'easters out east. Notice that the weather channel (twc) no longer talks about "global warming." they do, however, sometimes mention the minor cooling affects of la nina, but ignore the major cooling affects of the pdo. Find out why this massive cooling is happening and why twc is afraid to talk about the pdo. This and much more will be discussed dec 15 at 1:30 pm at laurel manor.
i've asked you this in the past. Assuming your a qualified individual why dont you tell us here of the plots vs public information if you know something say something. Let us your audience determine the strenght of your argument about your exposes holding my breath

[ChrisTinaBruce]

John Coleman is the founder of the Weather Channel, the original weatherman on Good Morning America and the lead meteorologist here at KUSI-TV.

https://youtu.be/AA3OA_2S4QY

https://youtu.be/AA3OA_2S4QY

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John Coleman is the founder of the Weather Channel, the original weatherman on Good Morning America and the lead meteorologist here at KUSI-TV.

https://youtu.be/AA3OA_2S4QY

https://youtu.be/AA3OA_2S4QY

I met Coleman at an American Meteorological Society event years ago, after he sold the Weather Channel, after which the Channel started going downhill and now shows junk shows like truck accident events. No wonder today's public has become climate clueless. Here's another great Coleman video ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RirQpfQUqX4

[mikempp]

31,000 scientists reject global warming and say "no convincing evidence" that humans can or will cause global warming. It's all bologna. The earth cycles, it has for centuries.

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i've asked you this in the past. Assuming your a qualified individual why dont you tell us here of the plots vs public information if you know something say something. Let us your audience determine the strenght of your argument about your exposes holding my breath

I don't have to prove anything. I'm not making the claim that man-made CO2 is causing climate change. So tell me, how much has man-made CO2 warmed the earth last year?

[sounding]

31,000 scientists reject global warming and say "no convincing evidence" that humans can or will cause global warming. It's all bologna. The earth cycles, it has for centuries.

Absolutely correct. I and at least one other here in The Villages signed that 31,487+ scientist "Global Warming Petition Project" in 2008.

[loutapes]

The large amounts of snow in the west is a Blessing for that area. They have had drought conditions for years. The current weather will provide the water to be used for the growing season and help avoid forest fires. Not every weather condition is a crisis. Mother Nature usually knows what to do. If the world changes it won’t be because of Global warming it will be because of tyrants running the world who unleash their fury. That’s a subject for another day.

[Byte1]

31,000 scientists reject global warming and say "no convincing evidence" that humans can or will cause global warming. It's all bologna. The earth cycles, it has for centuries.

That's why they call it "climate change." :laugh:

[bonrich]

It's called "winter."

[Bridget Staunton]

Thank you Sir I don’t really believe in global warming although I hate to see garbage on Gods earth thrown out of car windows. Keep our earth clean and let’s do our very best

[airstreamingypsy]

Ah the sir up you know what post that once again shows the uneducated don't know the difference between climate and weather.

[rogerrice60]

Amen

[JoelJohnson]

How many "scientists" said smoking wasn't bad for you? Back in the day?

[fcgiii]

points to ponder

1. The global climate is global. So chatting about this place or that is meaningless.

2. The earth's climate is always changing. 1000 years ago Greenland was green.

3. Wrecking the US energy industry to cool the planet while China, India and the developing world increase their use of coal and gas makes no sense.

4. The only practical green energy source is nuclear. But climate zealots hate nuclear.

5. The real goal of the climate change agenda is government control of the energy industry.

[ThirdOfFive]

The large amounts of snow in the west is a Blessing for that area. They have had drought conditions for years. The current weather will provide the water to be used for the growing season and help avoid forest fires. Not every weather condition is a crisis. Mother Nature usually knows what to do. If the world changes it won’t be because of Global warming it will be because of tyrants running the world who unleash their fury. That’s a subject for another day.
True that is.

I have family in Nevada and fly to Las Vegas with relative frequency, beginning about 1990.The difference in Lake Mead now as opposed to then is startling: MUCH smaller today. You can see the original high point on the rocks surrounding the lake, and even from the window of a 737 it is striking. Up close, I imagine even more so. Drought and higher demand for water have surely taken their toll. But as the post being responded to points out, every cloud has a silver lining. A lot of snow in the northwest mountains should improve those conditions significantly.

But this is far from the only example. Back in the early 1990s when I lived in Duluth, MN there was a lot of concern over falling lake levels. Hard on wildlife, spawning fish, etc. etc. But then things began to change and by 2014, Gitchee Gumee was at record or near-record highs--and THEN the concern changed to the eroding shoreline! Today, the lake has returned to just above average levels. But now the huge concern is the drought that has CAUSED the lake to return to "average"!

And in the prairie farm country of southern Minnesota a couple of decades or so back, much concern over the dramatically falling water table, brought on by drought and increased demand by farmers for irrigation water. Then several years of above-average rainfall, which alleviated concern over the water table but which (of course) raised significant concern over high waters causing eroding shoreline on the Mississippi and Minnesota rivers, habitat destruction for the pheasants, etc. etc.

What people don't realize is that "average" is a pipe dream. You can take a ten-year "average" of any natural phenomenon, then take the "average" of a 30-year span, ten years on either side of ten-year "average" and come up with something entirely different. It is essentially meaningless not just because so few "average" years of anything actually occur, but it is probably the most easily-manipulated datum around. Nature is cyclical, whether those cycles are millennia, centuries, decades, or years. Mother Nature ALWAYS compensates. And she always will, despite what the panic-mongers among us try to sow.

[Bay Kid]

This morning Yahoo blamed climate change for the inflation of some foods jumping 40% last month. Climate change is about money not climate. We have, and never will have, any control of the climate.

[Vermilion Villager]

i've asked you this in the past. Assuming your a qualified individual why dont you tell us here of the plots vs public information if you know something say something. Let us your audience determine the strenght of your argument about your exposes holding my breath

He never proves anything.....even admits he can't. He's some person stirring the pot waiting for his helping. of prunes to kick in.:a20:

[Andyb]

“Global warming creating cooling, sounds like a oxymoron to me.

[Beyond The Wall]

2 million-year-old DNA from northern Greenland has revealed that the region was once home to mastodons, lemmings and geese, offering unprecedented insights into how climate change can shape ecosystems.

"The breakthrough in ancient DNA analysis pushes back the DNA record by 1m years to a time when the Arctic region was 11-19 degrees C warmer than the present day. The analysis reveals that the northern peninsula of Greenland, now a polar desert, once featured boreal forests of poplar and birch trees teeming with wildlife. The work offers clues to how species might adapt, or be genetically engineered, to survive the threat of rapid global heating."

11 to 19 degrees warmer, and yet the planet survived -- without ice on Greenland.

Amazing.

It's as if not only is global warning bogus but on top of that, global warming is actually a good thing.

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Thank you Sir I don’t really believe in global warming although I hate to see garbage on Gods earth thrown out of car windows. Keep our earth clean and let’s do our very best

CO2 is not a pollutant, but garbage is -- they are 2 separate things. The CO2 problem is easily fixed -- just do nothing -- because it's not a problem. The garbage problem is easily fixed by using the trillions saved from fighting the non-problem called CO2. Just hire more cops, let the prosecutors do their jobs, and bring back public punishment. It's amazing how the Egyptians left us wonderful monuments called pyramids. And it's also amazing to see the legacy pyramids that modern society has created -- trash mountains.

[waterflower]

HAARP-CHEMTRAILS-CONTRAILS etc etc go down the rabbit hole

[sounding]

2 million-year-old DNA from northern Greenland has revealed that the region was once home to mastodons, lemmings and geese, offering unprecedented insights into how climate change can shape ecosystems.

"The breakthrough in ancient DNA analysis pushes back the DNA record by 1m years to a time when the Arctic region was 11-19 degrees C warmer than the present day. The analysis reveals that the northern peninsula of Greenland, now a polar desert, once featured boreal forests of poplar and birch trees teeming with wildlife. The work offers clues to how species might adapt, or be genetically engineered, to survive the threat of rapid global heating."

11 to 19 degrees warmer, and yet the planet survived -- without ice on Greenland.

Amazing.

It's as if not only is global warning bogus but on top of that, global warming is actually a good thing.

Ditto. It would good to someday hear someone give that presentation at the Civil Discourse Club. There's plenty of evidence to support that information -- and more is being found every year -- but the news media suppresses it in favor of climate alarmism.

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“Global warming creating cooling, sounds like a oxymoron to me.

That's why Obama's chief scientist (john Holdren) won the Genius award. And that's why climate alarmism is built upon junk science. There is no proof CO2 causes any climate problems, except helping plants to grow faster and bigger.

[jimkerr]

Global warming is producing the first of several large cold and snowy storms out West -- and yet to come Nor'easters out East. Notice that The Weather Channel (TWC) no longer talks about "global warming." They do, however, sometimes mention the minor cooling affects of La Nina, but ignore the major cooling affects of the PDO. Find out why this massive cooling is happening and why TWC is afraid to talk about the PDO. This and much more will be discussed Dec 15 at 1:30 PM at Laurel Manor.

It’s called winter.

[nhtexasrn]

can of worms, coming up.......... 3-2-1

:rant-rave:

[sounding]

It’s called winter.

Oh my ... haven't you heard ... snowfall is just a thing of the past ... Headline 2000: “Snowfalls are now just a thing of the past” | GlobalWarming.org (http://www.globalwarming.org/2010/12/27/headline-2000-snowfalls-are-now-just-a-thing-of-the-past/)

[jimschlaefer]

31,000 scientists reject global warming and say "no convincing evidence" that humans can or will cause global warming. It's all bologna. The earth cycles, it has for centuries.

Although they tout "follow the science", there are also thousands of politicians, academics and entertainers (all of whom don't know squat about meteorology technically) that claim the world is dying because of bovine flatulence and gas guzzling cars. Can't help but ask oneself, "Who ya gonna believe?". For dinner, I think I'll have a Texas Cut Sirloin tonight, thank Ol' Bossy for the great meal and ask "her" to keep 'em coming.

[Dantes]

Lol

[Daxdog]

If the world is getting warmer why did obama buy beach front property?

[billethkid]

Weather reporting is an entertainment episode laced with too much non meteorological bias.


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Weather reporting is an entertainment episode laced with too much non meteorological bias.


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Excellent description of The Weather Channel. Young meteorologists now know more about truck driving accidents and home repair construction than they know about weather and climate. This is a literal dumbing down on science, which makes propaganda easier to apply.

[Regorp]

Global warming is producing the first of several large cold and snowy storms out West -- and yet to come Nor'easters out East. Notice that The Weather Channel (TWC) no longer talks about "global warming." They do, however, sometimes mention the minor cooling affects of La Nina, but ignore the major cooling affects of the PDO. Find out why this massive cooling is happening and why TWC is afraid to talk about the PDO. This and much more will be discussed Dec 15 at 1:30 PM at Laurel Manor.
The Weather Channel is the top place for everything weather related for many reasons, among them their very knowledgeable meteorologists and sophisticated technology. Love this channel. Thanks!

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The Weather Channel is the top place for everything weather related for many reasons, among them their very knowledgeable meteorologists and sophisticated technology. Love this channel. Thanks!

Then why does TWC echo articles denying the existence of the AMO, when NOAA, NASA, and all the other major science organizations discuss its relevance to climate and weather ... After 20 Years, Researcher Now Says the Atlantic Multidecadal Oscillation Doesn'''t Really Exist | The Weather Channel (https://weather.com/news/news/2021-03-08-atlantic-multidecadal-oscillation-does-not-exist-michael-mann-says) . They never talk about key climate drivers, like the AMO, PDO, QBO, and other solar cycles, because to do so acknowledges that the SUN controls our climate -- not CO2. This hypocrisy is a key reason why the Weather Club membership continues to grow ... The Villages Weather Club (https://www.theweatherclubvillages.com/)

[maistocars]

How was that trip from California? My word...................

[Worldseries27]

i don't have to prove anything. I'm not making the claim that man-made co2 is causing climate change. So tell me, how much has man-made co2 warmed the earth last year?
in your video with cnn you state that 97% of government funding goes to researchers who are validators of climate change. Anti climate changers get 3%. Now maybe open dialogue can start when your audience has facts not only opinions.

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in your video with cnn you state that 97% of government funding goes to researchers who are validators of climate change. Anti climate changers get 3%. Now maybe open dialogue can start when your audience has facts not only opinions.

Have you tried to get government funding for a global cooling study? There are numerous cases where funding was not only denied, but existing funding was removed from those (often tenured professors) who decided to instead study how the sun (versus CO2) affects climate. Students today are faced with either doing CO2-warming research or get no faculty support for alternative interests. Honest climate science is being set back many years under this junk-science movement. It took the Vatican 350 years to acknowledge they were wrong to imprison Galileo for life for talking about how the Earth revolves around the Sun -- and not the reverse ... and let's hope it doesn't take 350 years to recognize the Sun controls our climate -- not CO2.

[jimjamuser]

Actually, that's what Obama's chief scientist (John Holdren) indicated ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQSSOnJgPpY
That IS a cute, well-produced link that I would suggest was sponsored by the US oil and gas industry. The actual facts are today that the World is experiencing great HEAT problems. There is MASSIVE population dislocation from Africa and South America toward the North. World temperatures for the LAST 7 out of 8 years have been record HEAT. The reason that snow is increasing like in the Western US is NOT because those areas are cooler than normal - it is because they are warmer and the oceans and lakes are warmer than normal. And warm air holds more moisture than cold air, therefore we have large amounts of snow. Rush Limbaugh used to wait until December or January when airports were closing up north and say, " See ALL that snow PROVES that we have global cooling". Very clever of Mr. Rush but he was using OIL Company propaganda instead of scientific facts. I imagine that most people in The Villages that take the time to do a little Google research will come to the conclusion that the earth is WARMING. The Gulf of Mexico water was at RECORD temperatures this summer and produced the GIANT hurricane IAN. I worry about next summer and fall.

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That IS a cute, well-produced link that I would suggest was sponsored by the US oil and gas industry. The actual facts are today that the World is experiencing great HEAT problems. There is MASSIVE population dislocation from Africa and South America toward the North. World temperatures for the LAST 7 out of 8 years have been record HEAT. The reason that snow is increasing like in the Western US is NOT because those areas are cooler than normal - it is because they are warmer and the oceans and lakes are warmer than normal. And warm air holds more moisture than cold air, therefore we have large amounts of snow. Rush Limbaugh used to wait until December or January when airports were closing up north and say, " See ALL that snow PROVES that we have global cooling". Very clever of Mr. Rush but he was using OIL Company propaganda instead of scientific facts. I imagine that most people in The Villages that take the time to do a little Google research will come to the conclusion that the earth is WARMING. The Gulf of Mexico water was at RECORD temperatures this summer and produced the GIANT hurricane IAN. I worry about next summer and fall.

Sorry ... not only was Holdren hired by Obama, but that John Holdren video was sponsored by the Obama White House -- that's why it has "WH.gov" in the upper-right corner. Of course, in the long term, the earth is warming -- but there is no proof that man-made CO2 causes it -- unless you have that data to share. And regarding Ian, that was a small storm compared to Typhoon Tip (see image). Tell me ... why have hurricane numbers dramatically dropped over the past 2 years -- and why won't the Weather Channel talk about it? Why has CO2 been under-performing so badly?

[Worldseries27]

john coleman is the founder of the weather channel, the original weatherman on good morning america and the lead meteorologist here at kusi-tv.

https://youtu.be/aa3oa_2s4qy

https://youtu.be/aa3oa_2s4qy
i'm a little confused. You say john coleman is the lead meteorologist at kusi-tv

[Ksfirefighter]

Global warming is producing the first of several large cold and snowy storms out West -- and yet to come Nor'easters out East. Notice that The Weather Channel (TWC) no longer talks about "global warming." They do, however, sometimes mention the minor cooling affects of La Nina, but ignore the major cooling affects of the PDO. Find out why this massive cooling is happening and why TWC is afraid to talk about the PDO. This and much more will be discussed Dec 15 at 1:30 PM at Laurel Manor.


And Santa Clause is coming to town!!!

[fdpaq0580]

And Santa Clause is coming to town!!!

I never got the pony he promised me as a child. Santa lied. I'll never trust him again.

[jimjamuser]

Yes, worms cause global warming ... The power of earthworm poop and how it could influence climate change | CBC News (https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/earthworms-climate-change-carbon-research-1.5370724) So the more that are eaten, the cooler the earth will become.
The link about earthworm poop said that most likely the effect would be like a forest fire, which produces CO2 which will drift upward into the upper atmosphere and form a "blanket". The blanket traps heat from the sun and adds to Global Warming. The same process occurs from the man-made burning of fossil fuels in gasoline and diesel engines. So, earthworm migration further north BECAUSE of Global Warming will THEN ADD more Global Warming to the equation of the Earth's heat problems. The only HOPE on the horizon is California's upcoming mandate for electric vehicles and the corresponding adoption of E-vehicles in the rest of the US.

[jimjamuser]

I met Coleman at an American Meteorological Society event years ago, after he sold the Weather Channel, after which the Channel started going downhill and now shows junk shows like truck accident events. No wonder today's public has become climate clueless. Here's another great Coleman video ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RirQpfQUqX4
We all saw what happened here in Florida in October with record heat in the Gulf and the large KILLER hurricane IAN. Pretty hard to ignore that event, which will take Florida years to recover from - and strong hurricanes likely next year. Everyone is complaining about the masses of people migrating northward to the US southern border. And it is the SAME in Europe. And what is causing this migration? Why, its Global Warming making areas of South America and Africa uninhabitable. Trying to ignore these facts and the cause being MAN-MADE Global Warming is becoming more and more impossible despite the naysayers, that are highly paid by the Oil and Gas Conglomerate with their sophisticated propaganda!

[jimjamuser]

The large amounts of snow in the west is a Blessing for that area. They have had drought conditions for years. The current weather will provide the water to be used for the growing season and help avoid forest fires. Not every weather condition is a crisis. Mother Nature usually knows what to do. If the world changes it won’t be because of Global warming it will be because of tyrants running the world who unleash their fury. That’s a subject for another day.
Wars burn up a lot of fossil fuel. So, that would add to warming.

[jimjamuser]

How many "scientists" said smoking wasn't bad for you? Back in the day?
Cigarette lobbyists then and oil and gas lobbyists today. Slowly and eventually, the truth MUST be faced head-on.

[jimjamuser]

points to ponder

1. The global climate is global. So chatting about this place or that is meaningless.

2. The earth's climate is always changing. 1000 years ago Greenland was green.

3. Wrecking the US energy industry to cool the planet while China, India and the developing world increase their use of coal and gas makes no sense.

4. The only practical green energy source is nuclear. But climate zealots hate nuclear.

5. The real goal of the climate change agenda is government control of the energy industry.
Newer nuclear energy plants are becoming safer by design. Warfare would be an exception that is hard to design against. More like a human nature problem that won't be solved in our lifetimes.

[jimjamuser]

2 million-year-old DNA from northern Greenland has revealed that the region was once home to mastodons, lemmings and geese, offering unprecedented insights into how climate change can shape ecosystems.

"The breakthrough in ancient DNA analysis pushes back the DNA record by 1m years to a time when the Arctic region was 11-19 degrees C warmer than the present day. The analysis reveals that the northern peninsula of Greenland, now a polar desert, once featured boreal forests of poplar and birch trees teeming with wildlife. The work offers clues to how species might adapt, or be genetically engineered, to survive the threat of rapid global heating."

11 to 19 degrees warmer, and yet the planet survived -- without ice on Greenland.

Amazing.

It's as if not only is global warning bogus but on top of that, global warming is actually a good thing.
So Global Warming is a GOOD thing? Then, I guess that the Gulf water record temperature that helped Hurricane IAN become such a LARGE killer hurricane as it ruined and took the lives of many on the Florida coast........I guess that was a GOOD thing. And I guess it is also a GOOD thing that insurance companies are jacking up insurance payments for ALL Floridians - and many are leaving Florida altogether.

What caused those insurance companies to leave........ if we are in a SO-CALLED cooling period or a SO-CALLED normal period? I think NOT.

[jimjamuser]

CO2 is not a pollutant, but garbage is -- they are 2 separate things. The CO2 problem is easily fixed -- just do nothing -- because it's not a problem. The garbage problem is easily fixed by using the trillions saved from fighting the non-problem called CO2. Just hire more cops, let the prosecutors do their jobs, and bring back public punishment. It's amazing how the Egyptians left us wonderful monuments called pyramids. And it's also amazing to see the legacy pyramids that modern society has created -- trash mountains.
Normal CO2 is NOT a pollutant. But EXCESS CO2 from a large AND INCREASING earth population burning fossil fuels IS a POLLUTION PROBLEM. The earth's land mass, decreasing forests, atmosphere, and the oceans are NOT able to handle the EXCESS. Human population increased from 1 billion in 1800 to 8 billion today. More people means more burning of fossil fuel and MORE of a pollution problem. if the earth had the population that it did in 1900, we would NOT be talking about Global Warming.

[jimjamuser]

CO2 is not a pollutant, but garbage is -- they are 2 separate things. The CO2 problem is easily fixed -- just do nothing -- because it's not a problem. The garbage problem is easily fixed by using the trillions saved from fighting the non-problem called CO2. Just hire more cops, let the prosecutors do their jobs, and bring back public punishment. It's amazing how the Egyptians left us wonderful monuments called pyramids. And it's also amazing to see the legacy pyramids that modern society has created -- trash mountains.
Garbage would be producing spontaneous combustion, which would produce heat and cause some MORE excess CO2. So, it is incongruous to be against excess garbage, yet for or even denying Global Warming.

[jimjamuser]

in your video with cnn you state that 97% of government funding goes to researchers who are validators of climate change. Anti climate changers get 3%. Now maybe open dialogue can start when your audience has facts not only opinions.
The oil and gas industry dishes out more money than the Government does. In the 50s through 70s Universities did the bulk of the pure research. Now big corporations do the research. There might just be a TINY bit of self-interest today!

[sounding]

The link about earthworm poop said that most likely the effect would be like a forest fire, which produces CO2 which will drift upward into the upper atmosphere and form a "blanket". The blanket traps heat from the sun and adds to Global Warming. The same process occurs from the man-made burning of fossil fuels in gasoline and diesel engines. So, earthworm migration further north BECAUSE of Global Warming will THEN ADD more Global Warming to the equation of the Earth's heat problems. The only HOPE on the horizon is California's upcoming mandate for electric vehicles and the corresponding adoption of E-vehicles in the rest of the US.

Good luck using coal-poweredd EVs when the its cloudy (like today) and when the wind barely blows (like today) ... Can Battery-Powered Vehicles Compete? - Donn Dears (https://ddears.com/2022/10/05/can-battery-powered-vehicles-compete/)

[sounding]

Garbage would be producing spontaneous combustion, which would produce heat and cause some MORE excess CO2. So, it is incongruous to be against excess garbage, yet for or even denying Global Warming.

More CO2 is good. Who's denying global warming -- it is warming because we are still under the influence of at least 4 solar-driven warming cycles. Plus, more warming is also good. There is no problem that a little more warming and CO2 can't solve. Problem is it's cold outside. If the earth doesn't heat up soon, I want a government refund because they promised a very hot earth -- and I don't see it. We obviously need to start producing much more CO2.

[sounding]

The oil and gas industry dishes out more money than the Government does. In the 50s through 70s Universities did the bulk of the pure research. Now big corporations do the research. There might just be a TINY bit of self-interest today!

If they are dishing it out, where do I sign up to get some?

[sounding]

Normal CO2 is NOT a pollutant. But EXCESS CO2 from a large AND INCREASING earth population burning fossil fuels IS a POLLUTION PROBLEM. The earth's land mass, decreasing forests, atmosphere, and the oceans are NOT able to handle the EXCESS. Human population increased from 1 billion in 1800 to 8 billion today. More people means more burning of fossil fuel and MORE of a pollution problem. if the earth had the population that it did in 1900, we would NOT be talking about Global Warming.

Jacques Cousteau gave the population problem marching orders years ago. Who's first ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1dOujw3et4

[JMintzer]

So Global Warming is a GOOD thing? Then, I guess that the Gulf water record temperature that helped Hurricane IAN become such a LARGE killer hurricane as it ruined and took the lives of many on the Florida coast........I guess that was a GOOD thing. And I guess it is also a GOOD thing that insurance companies are jacking up insurance payments for ALL Floridians - and many are leaving Florida altogether.

What caused those insurance companies to leave........ if we are in a SO-CALLED cooling period or a SO-CALLED normal period? I think NOT.

We only talk about Ian is because it HAPPENED to hit land. The vast majority of hurricanes founder about in the Atlantic and peter out...

It is proof of nothing...

[Papa_lecki]

We only talk about Ian is because it HAPPENED to hit land. The vast majority of hurricanes founder about in the Atlantic and peter out...

It is proof of nothing...

Plus the forecasters completely missed where Ian was going to hit land, 2 days before it hit land. So the evacuation were wrong.
The same forecasters who are telling us next year will be an even bigger hurricane year, and Miami will be under water in 10 years.

[jimjamuser]

Good luck using coal-poweredd EVs when the its cloudy (like today) and when the wind barely blows (like today) ... Can Battery-Powered Vehicles Compete? - Donn Dears (https://ddears.com/2022/10/05/can-battery-powered-vehicles-compete/)
Boy, that was a confusing and confused couple of statements about E-vehicles. EVs don't care if the wind is blowing or not, they are NOT powered by sails......that is how sailboats are powered. And coal does NOT have to be the generating energy for a large power generating center. Natural gas is cleaner and cheaper than coal in the US. China uses a lot of coal. The US can use nuclear power generation, wind, tides, and waterfalls, which are all cleaner than coal.

[jimjamuser]

More CO2 is good. Who's denying global warming -- it is warming because we are still under the influence of at least 4 solar-driven warming cycles. Plus, more warming is also good. There is no problem that a little more warming and CO2 can't solve. Problem is it's cold outside. If the earth doesn't heat up soon, I want a government refund because they promised a very hot earth -- and I don't see it. We obviously need to start producing much more CO2.
Who's denying Global Warming? W E L L, it seems to me like you are because the title of your thread is, "COOLING IS COMING". So, make up my mind. Is the Globe warming or cooling? I know that 7 of the last 8 years have been record temperatures for the earth and I have written about WHY. And that the predictions are for an increasingly warm next 30 years.

[jimjamuser]

If they are dishing it out, where do I sign up to get some?
Simply become an oil and gas industry lobbyist.

[jimjamuser]

Plus the forecasters completely missed where Ian was going to hit land, 2 days before it hit land. So the evacuation were wrong.
The same forecasters who are telling us next year will be an even bigger hurricane year, and Miami will be under water in 10 years.
I would NOT advise anyone to buy property in Miami.

[Ksfirefighter]

If they weathermen are so smart why do they stand out in the middle of the storm? Just for ratings!

[sounding]

Who's denying Global Warming? W E L L, it seems to me like you are because the title of your thread is, "COOLING IS COMING". So, make up my mind. Is the Globe warming or cooling? I know that 7 of the last 8 years have been record temperatures for the earth and I have written about WHY. And that the predictions are for an increasingly warm next 30 years.

That's the point ... warming and cooling are happening at the same time via 10 different solar driven cycles -- not by CO2. Currently, over the past 7 or so years there is slight global cooling, which is within a longer term warming from the Bray and Eddy cycles, which is modulated by the even larger scale Milankovitch cycle which has started cooling. On top of that is the ongoing Feynman sunspot cycle which has been cooling for the past 40 years and the PDO ocean cycle which has also been cooling for the past few years -- which many believe is causing the current cooling trend. These are all discussed at the Weather Club ... The Villages Weather Club (https://www.theweatherclubvillages.com/)

[sounding]

Who's denying Global Warming? W E L L, it seems to me like you are because the title of your thread is, "COOLING IS COMING". So, make up my mind. Is the Globe warming or cooling? I know that 7 of the last 8 years have been record temperatures for the earth and I have written about WHY. And that the predictions are for an increasingly warm next 30 years.

No one can predict the future -- especially the climate, so quoting climate model predictions is like palm reading -- useless -- because they have all been wrong for 30+ years. Those models are forecasting continued warming -- and yet the atmosphere has been cooling for at least 7 years and we don't know for how much longer. And they missed today's max temperature by 6 degrees too high. This is what happens when you force plant food (CO2) into a weather model.

[sounding]

I would NOT advise anyone to buy property in Miami.

Here's a horrific 3-minute video of massive Miami beach sea-rise flooding ...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mB-r7DGkTvE

[Worldseries27]

Here's a horrific 3-minute video of massive Miami beach sea-rise flooding ...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mB-r7DGkTvE
Duh

[ithos]

We all saw what happened here in Florida in October with record heat in the Gulf and the large KILLER hurricane IAN. Pretty hard to ignore that event, which will take Florida years to recover from - and strong hurricanes likely next year. Everyone is complaining about the masses of people migrating northward to the US southern border. And it is the SAME in Europe. And what is causing this migration? Why, its Global Warming making areas of South America and Africa uninhabitable. Trying to ignore these facts and the cause being MAN-MADE Global Warming is becoming more and more impossible despite the naysayers, that are highly paid by the Oil and Gas Conglomerate with their sophisticated propaganda!

I hate to break the news to you but any professional in a weather related career, will have a much harder time being employed if they "deny" the global warming theory. In fact many have lost their jobs because of it.

Al Gore earned hundreds of millions of dollars on the global warming hoax. Remember that hockey stick chart? Complete fiction.

In science, theories are supposed to be challenged and subject to open debates. But that does not happen in this field because it is treated more like a religion. And we all know why.

[Gunny2403]

So glad your so Woke this time of day.

[sounding]

So glad your so Woke this time of day.

Meteorology is a 24/7/365 job.

[MidWestIA]

Post a article or site or it's not worth going there

[Keefelane66]

Here's a horrific 3-minute video of massive Miami beach sea-rise flooding ...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mB-r7DGkTvE
Only thing I got out of the video it is a wonderful song “Highwayman” Wille Nelson...

[OhioBuckeye]

It’s just a money thing!. You can’t pay Mother Nature!

[Keefelane66]

Global warming is producing the first of several large cold and snowy storms out West -- and yet to come Nor'easters out East. Notice that The Weather Channel (TWC) no longer talks about "global warming." They do, however, sometimes mention the minor cooling affects of La Nina, but ignore the major cooling affects of the PDO. Find out why this massive cooling is happening and why TWC is afraid to talk about the PDO. This and much more will be discussed Dec 15 at 1:30 PM at Laurel Manor.
People get confused between CO and CO2.
“How long does carbon monoxide stay in the atmosphere?
Chemical oxidation of CO in the lower atmosphere by molecular oxygen is very slow. The exact duration of CO in the lower atmosphere is not known with certainty; however, the mean residence time has been variously estimated to be between 0.3 and 5.0 years”.
Can you elaborate

[sounding]

Post a article or site or it's not worth going there

And the cold just keeps coming ... “Goofy” Celebrities Blind to Cold and Snow – Watts Up With That? (https://wattsupwiththat.com/2022/12/10/goofy-celebrities-blind-to-cold-and-snow/)

[Bay Kid]

If the world is getting warmer why did obama buy beach front property?

Because he has money to burn.

[TomSpasm]

Ditto. It would good to someday hear someone give that presentation at the Civil Discourse Club. There's plenty of evidence to support that information -- and more is being found every year -- but the news media suppresses it in favor of climate alarmism.

If the news media was suppressing the story about Greenland, I wouldn't have read it in the New York Times this week.

[JMintzer]

Who's denying Global Warming? W E L L, it seems to me like you are because the title of your thread is, "COOLING IS COMING". So, make up my mind. Is the Globe warming or cooling? I know that 7 of the last 8 years have been record temperatures for the earth and I have written about WHY. And that the predictions are for an increasingly warm next 30 years.

7-8 years is WEATHER change, not CLIMATE change...

[JMintzer]

Here's a horrific 3-minute video of massive Miami beach sea-rise flooding ...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mB-r7DGkTvE

Thoughts and prayers!

[Gettingoutofdodge]

Guess they forget about the Ice Age! Guess it was the result of global warming.

[Worldseries27]

only thing i got out of the video it is a wonderful song “highwayman” wille nelson...
it was pathetic

[YeOldeCurmudgeon]

31,000 scientists reject global warming and say "no convincing evidence" that humans can or will cause global warming. It's all bologna. The earth cycles, it has for centuries.

It's actually more than 80 percent, which still is a pretty strong indicator and this is based on information from hardcore scientists. Also, this takes into account scientists who work for the fossil fuels industry who are getting paid to take the opposing view. See this article in Forbes:

Fact Checking The Claim Of 97% Consensus On Anthropogenic Climate Change (https://www.forbes.com/sites/uhenergy/2016/12/14/fact-checking-the-97-consensus-on-anthropogenic-climate-change/?sh=189399d21157)

[jimjamuser]

That's the point ... warming and cooling are happening at the same time via 10 different solar driven cycles -- not by CO2. Currently, over the past 7 or so years there is slight global cooling, which is within a longer term warming from the Bray and Eddy cycles, which is modulated by the even larger scale Milankovitch cycle which has started cooling. On top of that is the ongoing Feynman sunspot cycle which has been cooling for the past 40 years and the PDO ocean cycle which has also been cooling for the past few years -- which many believe is causing the current cooling trend. These are all discussed at the Weather Club ... The Villages Weather Club (https://www.theweatherclubvillages.com/)
OK, I get the general point there as a way of JUSTIFYING the conclusion expressed in the original thread that "Cooling is coming". Just mix together a nice WORD SALAD of this CYCLE and that CYCLE and come to whatever conclusion suits you. Sure, MAYBE (?) the mixed CYCLE SALAD sets up the earth to start cooling in about 2190. Then Our great-grandchildren may be talking in forums about the Global Cooling that is taking place.

But, today right now, in REAL America and REAL earth ........REAL scientists are WARNING (to deaf ears of the LAY people) that Global Warming is a REAL event that has been proven by Climatologists. They have done this through years of observation. The climate NOISE of conflicting CYCLES is overcome by observations of both long-term and short-term trends of KEY indicators. One such indicator would be direct temperature measurement at many points around the globe. Another would be ocean temperatures around the earth. Another would be changes in ocean CO2. Another would be the study of coral reefs - which are predicted to be DOWN to only 15% of live coral by 2100. Another indicator would be tree ring analysis. Another would be upper atmosphere measurements of CO2, which is increasing and forming a HEAT blanket. Another indicator is something that every layperson in the world knows..........that old-growth forests around the world are being removed at an alarming rate - the Amazon is one example. Another indicator is that TUNDRA in Russia and elsewhere is burning and releasing MORE excess CO2. Another would be the Chinese middle class driving more automobiles and producing MORE EXCESS CO2. Another would be earthworms moving further northward into Canada and elsewhere. Another factor is world population increase since 1800 by a factor of 8 times.

There are many other indicators that could be researched. BUT, the final conclusion is that over 90% of climate scientists believe that the earth will continue to HEAT up for the next 30 years.

[jimjamuser]

I hate to break the news to you but any professional in a weather related career, will have a much harder time being employed if they "deny" the global warming theory. In fact many have lost their jobs because of it.

Al Gore earned hundreds of millions of dollars on the global warming hoax. Remember that hockey stick chart? Complete fiction.

In science, theories are supposed to be challenged and subject to open debates. But that does not happen in this field because it is treated more like a religion. And we all know why.
When people do NOT like the message, they shoot the messenger. That happened in the past with Ak Gore. The oil and gas lobby did NOT like the message.
........Today, the messenger to be shot is one of HISTORY'S greatest medical professionals - Dr. Fauci. The fact that anyone has a bad word to say about Dr. Fauci shows how inverted and bizarre US values have become.

[DAVES]

Global warming is producing the first of several large cold and snowy storms out West -- and yet to come Nor'easters out East. Notice that The Weather Channel (TWC) no longer talks about "global warming." They do, however, sometimes mention the minor cooling affects of La Nina, but ignore the major cooling affects of the PDO. Find out why this massive cooling is happening and why TWC is afraid to talk about the PDO. This and much more will be discussed Dec 15 at 1:30 PM at Laurel Manor.

Global warming has been stirred into a world panic. REALITY is well real. First of all even the label is spun. It is no longer GLOBAL WARMING, it is now CLIMATE CHANGE. Reality is climate is always changing. I recall going to the Museum of Natural History they had a cross section of a Giant Sequoia tree rings were marked for events in history. They also pointed out that some years the growth rings were wider indicating more growth due to more favorable weather. Roughly 40 years ago the concern was global cooling. Without Al Gore paying for his huge home telling the rest of us we should it NATURALLY evolved into global warming.

I can honestly SCREAM that my carbon footprint is far less than it used to be and that is true.
Also, true is the fact that I am retired and no longer producing anything.

[sounding]

7-8 years is WEATHER change, not CLIMATE change...

Climate is not the issue. Why is it cooling for 7 years when the media says it should be warming, especially when CO2 keeps skyrocketing up up up up up ..... ?

[sounding]

Global warming has been stirred into a world panic. REALITY is well real. First of all even the label is spun. It is no longer GLOBAL WARMING, it is now CLIMATE CHANGE. Reality is climate is always changing. I recall going to the Museum of Natural History they had a cross section of a Giant Sequoia tree rings were marked for events in history. They also pointed out that some years the growth rings were wider indicating more growth due to more favorable weather. Roughly 40 years ago the concern was global cooling. Without Al Gore paying for his huge home telling the rest of us we should it NATURALLY evolved into global warming.

I can honestly SCREAM that my carbon footprint is far less than it used to be and that is true.
Also, true is the fact that I am retired and no longer producing anything.

They aren't talking about the CO2 carbon footprint -- they are talking about human footprints. Jacques Cousteau issued marching orders years ago at a 1991 UNESCO event where he said, "World population must be stabilized and to do that we must eliminate 350,000 people per day."

[sounding]

OK, I get the general point there as a way of JUSTIFYING the conclusion expressed in the original thread that "Cooling is coming". Just mix together a nice WORD SALAD of this CYCLE and that CYCLE and come to whatever conclusion suits you. Sure, MAYBE (?) the mixed CYCLE SALAD sets up the earth to start cooling in about 2190. Then Our great-grandchildren may be talking in forums about the Global Cooling that is taking place.

But, today right now, in REAL America and REAL earth ........REAL scientists are WARNING (to deaf ears of the LAY people) that Global Warming is a REAL event that has been proven by Climatologists. They have done this through years of observation. The climate NOISE of conflicting CYCLES is overcome by observations of both long-term and short-term trends of KEY indicators. One such indicator would be direct temperature measurement at many points around the globe. Another would be ocean temperatures around the earth. Another would be changes in ocean CO2. Another would be the study of coral reefs - which are predicted to be DOWN to only 15% of live coral by 2100. Another indicator would be tree ring analysis. Another would be upper atmosphere measurements of CO2, which is increasing and forming a HEAT blanket. Another indicator is something that every layperson in the world knows..........that old-growth forests around the world are being removed at an alarming rate - the Amazon is one example. Another indicator is that TUNDRA in Russia and elsewhere is burning and releasing MORE excess CO2. Another would be the Chinese middle class driving more automobiles and producing MORE EXCESS CO2. Another would be earthworms moving further northward into Canada and elsewhere. Another factor is world population increase since 1800 by a factor of 8 times.

There are many other indicators that could be researched. BUT, the final conclusion is that over 90% of climate scientists believe that the earth will continue to HEAT up for the next 30 years.

Nope ... 91% of scientists say CO2 is not a problem.

[sounding]

People get confused between CO and CO2.
“How long does carbon monoxide stay in the atmosphere?
Chemical oxidation of CO in the lower atmosphere by molecular oxygen is very slow. The exact duration of CO in the lower atmosphere is not known with certainty; however, the mean residence time has been variously estimated to be between 0.3 and 5.0 years”.
Can you elaborate

They are distraction questions. Here's the main issue ... how much has "man-made" CO2 warmed the earth last year?

[sounding]

Ditto. It would good to someday hear someone give that presentation at the Civil Discourse Club. There's plenty of evidence to support that information -- and more is being found every year -- but the news media suppresses it in favor of climate alarmism.

Greenland was very warm back then, because there were no ice caps on earth way back then. We are now in a very cold period of earth's history -- but the media will never tell you that. That "Greenland" topic (and related climate data) has been mentioned at the Weather Club and will be also presented at the Civil Discourse Club. A related CO2 talked was just given today at 10 AM at Savannah. For notifications of these weather & climate talks just send a request to "info@theweatherclubvillages.com" In the meantime, here is more Greenland info ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=folh5yyFyl8

[Keefelane66]

They are distraction questions. Here's the main issue ... how much has "man-made" CO2 warmed the earth last year?
How much MAN MADE CO has been made in the last year. Burning petroleum products create CO (Carbon Monoxide) not Carbon Dioxide (CO2)

[sounding]

How much MAN MADE CO has been made in the last year. Burning petroleum products create CO (Carbon Monoxide) not Carbon Dioxide (CO2)

Wonderful! Since CO is not a greenhouse gas, then there's no need to cut greenhouse gas emissions -- the emergency is over. Merry Christmas!

[Keefelane66]

Wonderful! Since CO is not a greenhouse gas, then there's no need to cut greenhouse gas emissions -- the emergency is over. Merry Christmas!
As I mentioned in a previous post CO does get converted to CO2. Carbon Monoxide becomes oxidized and a converts into CO2 contributing to global changes. Just like Carbon Monoxide detectors are placed towards the ceiling and not on the floors in homes CO is lighter than air

[sounding]

As I mentioned in a previous post CO does get converted to CO2. Carbon Monoxide becomes oxidized and a converts into CO2 contributing to global changes. Just like Carbon Monoxide detectors are placed towards the ceiling and not on the floors in homes CO is lighter than air

"CO2 contributing to global changes" ... what change?

[YeOldeCurmudgeon]

Nope ... 91% of scientists say CO2 is not a problem.

Not true. Here is what is misunderstood even by some scientists, especially those who say Climate Change is not Anthropogenic:

CO2 does not create heat so it does not cause the warming directly. It does it indirectly by blocking the escape of the earth's warming, which prevents its natural cooling. It is essentially a Greenhouse Effect, as the process is called. The energy, the metabolism if you will, of earth and its life forms gives off heat. The CO2 seals it in and this accumulation of warmth causes warming.

[sounding]

Not true. Here is what is misunderstood even by some scientists, especially those who say Climate Change is not Anthropogenic:

CO2 does not create heat so it does not cause the warming directly. It does it indirectly by blocking the escape of the earth's warming, which prevents its natural cooling. It is essentially a Greenhouse Effect, as the process is called. The energy, the metabolism if you will, of earth and its life forms gives off heat. The CO2 seals it in and this accumulation of warmth causes warming.

Sure. So ... how much did "man-made" CO2 warm the earth last year? Should be very easy to find via Google since everyone knows for sure that it is happening.

[Taltarzac725]

Climate change: evidence and causes | Royal Society (https://royalsociety.org/topics-policy/projects/climate-change-evidence-causes/basics-of-climate-change/)

I tend to believe scientific consensus and not some loud mouths looking for TV rating boosts.

[sounding]

Climate change: evidence and causes | Royal Society (https://royalsociety.org/topics-policy/projects/climate-change-evidence-causes/basics-of-climate-change/)

I tend to believe scientific consensus and not some loud mouths looking for TV rating boosts.

That video said temps rose 0.8 C between 1950 and 2010. Three questions ...

1. How much of that rise was due to "human" CO2 and how much was due to natural warming which has been happening since the Little Ice Age 300 years ago?

2. Why did the temperature graph "cool" from 1950 to 1975? What caused that cooling?

3. How much of the quoted 40% CO2 increase was from natural sources?

This is why Al Gore and his minions refuse to have a public debate. They only utter opinions (like this video) but no verifiable data. This is why "consensus" is never uttered in The Weather Club because Einstein said, "Genius abhors consensus because when consensus is reached, thinking stops."

[jimjamuser]

They aren't talking about the CO2 carbon footprint -- they are talking about human footprints. Jacques Cousteau issued marching orders years ago at a 1991 UNESCO event where he said, "World population must be stabilized and to do that we must eliminate 350,000 people per day."
Interesting to go back 30 years for a quote that would be hard to verify and may have been taken out of context. Nonetheless, I will guess that the meaning is that it is FINE and dandy for the population to KEEP going up and up. And I can't begin to imagine how that increase would equate to. " Cooling is coming" as was stated as the premise of the thread? There was a RAT experiment in psychology where rats were kept well fed but more and more rats were placed into an enclosure. As the rat density increased, there developed "bullying rats" and submissive rats. Then strange behavior problems. Then ulcers and other health problems. And finally, all got sterile and violent. Then they all died out. It seems to me that if human population kept going up that wars would occur which would INCREASE gas and oil consumption and increase CO2 emission and further heat the planet. Then when
humans were done "nuking" each other, any that survived would be driven back into the stone age. And maybe then that. " Colling is coming" would finally happen.

[jimjamuser]

Not true. Here is what is misunderstood even by some scientists, especially those who say Climate Change is not Anthropogenic:

CO2 does not create heat so it does not cause the warming directly. It does it indirectly by blocking the escape of the earth's warming, which prevents its natural cooling. It is essentially a Greenhouse Effect, as the process is called. The energy, the metabolism if you will, of earth and its life forms gives off heat. The CO2 seals it in and this accumulation of warmth causes warming.
Agreed. Very much EXACTLY what I have been saying.

[sounding]

Interesting to go back 30 years for a quote that would be hard to verify and may have been taken out of context. Nonetheless, I will guess that the meaning is that it is FINE and dandy for the population to KEEP going up and up. And I can't begin to imagine how that increase would equate to. " Cooling is coming" as was stated as the premise of the thread? There was a RAT experiment in psychology where rats were kept well fed but more and more rats were placed into an enclosure. As the rat density increased, there developed "bullying rats" and submissive rats. Then strange behavior problems. Then ulcers and other health problems. And finally, all got sterile and violent. Then they all died out. It seems to me that if human population kept going up that wars would occur which would INCREASE gas and oil consumption and increase CO2 emission and further heat the planet. Then when
humans were done "nuking" each other, any that survived would be driven back into the stone age. And maybe then that. " Colling is coming" would finally happen.

"Nuclear winter cooling" is another fake, scare-mongering term echoed by Carl Sagan, just like his "Runaway Greenhouse Effect." The Runaway Greenhouse scare will be discussed at the January Weather Club meeting -- and shown to be based on junk science. And about that cooling "would finally happen" -- just why has it been cooling for the past 7 years?

[Worldseries27]

that video said temps rose 0.8 c between 1950 and 2010. Three questions ...

1. How much of that rise was due to "human" co2 and how much was due to natural warming which has been happening since the little ice age 300 years ago?

2. Why did the temperature graph "cool" from 1950 to 1975? What caused that cooling?

3. How much of the quoted 40% co2 increase was from natural sources?

This is why al gore and his minions refuse to have a public debate. They only utter opinions (like this video) but no verifiable data. This is why "consensus" is never uttered in the weather club because einstein said, "genius abhors consensus because when consensus is reached, thinking stops."
do the numbers.

[Taltarzac725]

That video said temps rose 0.8 C between 1950 and 2010. Three questions ...

1. How much of that rise was due to "human" CO2 and how much was due to natural warming which has been happening since the Little Ice Age 300 years ago?

2. Why did the temperature graph "cool" from 1950 to 1975? What caused that cooling?

3. How much of the quoted 40% CO2 increase was from natural sources?

This is why Al Gore and his minions refuse to have a public debate. They only utter opinions (like this video) but no verifiable data. This is why "consensus" is never uttered in The Weather Club because Einstein said, "Genius abhors consensus because when consensus is reached, thinking stops."

Einstein would not debate general scientific principles of observations by many people getting conclusions based on sound logic.

Some climate deniers have simply thrown out logic for debates you might find in college dorm late at night.

[Bill14564]

"Nuclear winter cooling" is another fake, scare-mongering term echoed by Carl Sagan, just like his "Runaway Greenhouse Effect." The Runaway Greenhouse scare will be discussed at the January Weather Club meeting -- and shown to be based on junk science. And about that cooling "would finally happen" -- just why has it been cooling for the past 7 years?

Because if you picked any other timeframe the data would show warming. Cherry picking data is evidence of confirmation bias, nothing else.

[joelfmi]

31,000 scientists reject global warming and say "no convincing evidence" that humans can or will cause global warming. It's all bologna. The earth cycles, it has for centuries. Nothing has changed so stop worrying about what was said

[JMintzer]

When people do NOT like the message, they shoot the messenger. That happened in the past with Ak Gore. The oil and gas lobby did NOT like the message.
........Today, the messenger to be shot is one of HISTORY'S greatest medical professionals - Dr. Fauci. The fact that anyone has a bad word to say about Dr. Fauci shows how inverted and bizarre US values have become.

Well, he lied to us, several times... So there's that...

And while he may have been a great researcher IN THE PAST, that train left the station when he started believing his own press...

[JMintzer]

Climate is not the issue. Why is it cooling for 7 years when the media says it should be warming, especially when CO2 keeps skyrocketing up up up up up ..... ?

No idea. I don't care about 7-8 years... It's a blip on the radar...

[jimjamuser]

"Nuclear winter cooling" is another fake, scare-mongering term echoed by Carl Sagan, just like his "Runaway Greenhouse Effect." The Runaway Greenhouse scare will be discussed at the January Weather Club meeting -- and shown to be based on junk science. And about that cooling "would finally happen" -- just why has it been cooling for the past 7 years?
Personally speaking. I would not have the temerity to knock a genius like Carl Sagan. I would knock George Washington for losing a few battles BEFORE I would say ONE bad word about Carl Sagan. Next someone will say that Nikolai Tesla was NOT very smart. And Socrates stuttered too much. And Joan of Arc was a hippy! It seems like some people want to knock Carl Sagan, Al Gore, and Dr. Fauci. Who is next - Winston Churchill?

The last 7 OUT OF 8 years have been record WARMING, NOT cooling. Pakistan is practically underwater from tropical rains. Living coral is dying rapidly. Europe is in a drought and crops are failing. Google Earth Sky for an article titled," Aug 2022 Drought Around the World in Dramatic Images". There is a world map showing drought in the Horn of Africa. (That is affecting 22 million people and many will try to get to Europe) There is drought in China. Also other parts of Africa. Rivers are drying up in Europe. The whole map of the earth shows Global Warming happening right now. The conclusion is unavoidable!

[jimjamuser]

Well, he lied to us, several times... So there's that...

And while he may have been a great researcher IN THE PAST, that train left the station when he started believing his own press...
Dr Fauci did NOT lie. The Pandemic was NEW and unique so the medical knowledge CHANGED as new scientific facts came in. Fauci was the main spokesman for Pandemic knowledge as it came AVAILABLE. So, of course if someone compared an EARLIER Fauci statement with a statement 6 months later and some TV host showed one a current video clip, and then compared it to an earlier Fauci video clip it might appear that Fauci lied, when in fact, he did not. He was a spokesman about CHANGING INFORMATION so naturally, he changed with each new piece of knowledge. Fauchi had about a 60 year history of service to medical science. HISTORY will remember him well, and so will I. He was also a good basketball player in College. (a little known fact)

[jimjamuser]

No idea. I don't care about 7-8 years... It's a blip on the radar...
The last 7 years of the Gulf of Mexico WARMING was pretty important to the many Floridians living in Fort Meyers Beach that either DIED or lost homes during Hurricane Ian. So, I am suggesting, that whether a short warming period IS important depends on who you are, where you are, and when you are somewhere.

[YeOldeCurmudgeon]

[QUOTE=sounding;2165749]Sure. So ... how much did "man-made" CO2 warm the earth last year? Should be very easy to find via Google since everyone knows for sure that it is happening.[/QUOTE

Home – Climate Change: Vital Signs of the Planet (https://climate.nasa.gov/)

Check out the website that shows the increases in temperature since the advent of the Industrial Revolution. It's an incremental process. If you don't see it, it's because you're not paying attention or simply ignoring it. And it doesn't have to increase that much to cause disastrous effects.

[YeOldeCurmudgeon]

Sure. So ... how much did "man-made" CO2 warm the earth last year? Should be very easy to find via Google since everyone knows for sure that it is happening.

Sounding, are you a scientist? So, whether or not you are, can you explain why the GHE is based on junk science. If you make such a statement you should be able to explain it. Just saying it is meaningless because if you don't understand the mechanisms of how it works, then you shouldn't be saying it -- because you're only basing your statement on what someone tells you. How do you know they're telling the truth if you don't understand how it works? Oh, I know that greatest of all scientists and foremost genius of all time, Donald Trump, told you.

[JMintzer]

Dr Fauci did NOT lie. The Pandemic was NEW and unique so the medical knowledge CHANGED as new scientific facts came in. Fauci was the main spokesman for Pandemic knowledge as it came AVAILABLE. So, of course if someone compared an EARLIER Fauci statement with a statement 6 months later and some TV host showed one a current video clip, and then compared it to an earlier Fauci video clip it might appear that Fauci lied, when in fact, he did not. He was a spokesman about CHANGING INFORMATION so naturally, he changed with each new piece of knowledge. Fauchi had about a 60 year history of service to medical science. HISTORY will remember him well, and so will I. He was also a good basketball player in College. (a little known fact)

He admitted he lied... Not changed his opinion, but LIED...

[JMintzer]

The last 7 years of the Gulf of Mexico WARMING was pretty important to the many Floridians living in Fort Meyers Beach that either DIED or lost homes during Hurricane Ian. So, I am suggesting, that whether a short warming period IS important depends on who you are, where you are, and when you are somewhere.

Living in a costal area has been dangerous ever since people decided to live in costal areas...

It only matters IF the hurricane happens to make landfall... The vast majority of them don't...

[JMintzer]

The last 7 years of the Gulf of Mexico WARMING was pretty important to the many Floridians living in Fort Meyers Beach that either DIED or lost homes during Hurricane Ian. So, I am suggesting, that whether a short warming period IS important depends on who you are, where you are, and when you are somewhere.

What about the Galveston Hurricane of 1900? Did the last 7-8 years of so called warming cause that one?

[YeOldeCurmudgeon]

What about the Galveston Hurricane of 1900? Did the last 7-8 years of so called warming cause that one?

You don't judge a weather pattern by one event. Go to NASA and look at the graphs, look at the changes, especially since the year 2000. The Global Warming and related events are increasing at a faster pace. If you have been watching the Weather Channel, you would know that catastrophic weather events have been increasing and have been more damaging.

Why do people try to deny it? Why do they listen to politicians and not professional scientists like those that work for NASA and the NOAA? I guess you simply don't want to accept it, so it's better to try to deny it so you can ignore it and live as you have been living. Yes, an "Inconvenient Truth" was the perfect title for Gore's film and what he was predicting is coming true and yet people continue to deny it.

[sounding]

do the numbers.

So what ... in addition to humans, polar bears have tripled -- and neither harm the climate.

[sounding]

You don't judge a weather pattern by one event. Go to NASA and look at the graphs, look at the changes, especially since the year 2000. The Global Warming and related events are increasing at a faster pace. If you have been watching the Weather Channel, you would know that catastrophic weather events have been increasing and have been more damaging.

Why do people try to deny it? Why do they listen to politicians and not professional scientists like those that work for NASA and the NOAA? I guess you simply don't want to accept it, so it's better to try to deny it so you can ignore it and live as you have been living. Yes, an "Inconvenient Truth" was the perfect title for Gore's film and what he was predicting is coming true and yet people continue to deny it.

All of Gore's climate change predictions failed.

[sounding]

Sounding, are you a scientist? So, whether or not you are, can you explain why the GHE is based on junk science. If you make such a statement you should be able to explain it. Just saying it is meaningless because if you don't understand the mechanisms of how it works, then you shouldn't be saying it -- because you're only basing your statement on what someone tells you. How do you know they're telling the truth if you don't understand how it works? Oh, I know that greatest of all scientists and foremost genius of all time, Donald Trump, told you.

Who or what I am is not important. What is important is data and truth. Any idiot can make a forecast, but only an experienced forecaster who has made many verified forecasts can be trusted -- which is why all of Al Gore's climate change forecasts failed. So show me the data which supports the human danger to climate. Specifically, tell me how much "man-made" CO2 warmed the earth last year. It's easy -- just use your thermometer as a starting point.

[fdpaq0580]

So what ... in addition to humans, polar bears have tripled -- and neither harm the climate.

1. Polar bear numbers are up thanks to hunting restrictions, not climate change which is bad for them.
2. The approximately 8 billion humans and the effects of their polution and habitat destruction has very definitely contributed to global warming. No amount of evidence, nothing will convince you. So, continue to ignore truth and continue to preach your misinformation and maybe, just maybe a miracle will happen to vindicate your opinions in the end.
Actually, I wish you were right, but you're not.

[sounding]

1. Polar bear numbers are up thanks to hunting restrictions, not climate change which is bad for them.
2. The approximately 8 billion humans and the effects of their polution and habitat destruction has very definitely contributed to global warming. No amount of evidence, nothing will convince you. So, continue to ignore truth and continue to preach your misinformation and maybe, just maybe a miracle will happen to vindicate your opinions in the end.
Actually, I wish you were right, but you're not.

"No amount of evidence"? So, tell me ... how much has "man-made" CO2 warmed the earth last year?

[fdpaq0580]

Sounding, are you a scientist? So, whether or not you are, can you explain why the GHE is based on junk science. If you make such a statement you should be able to explain it. Just saying it is meaningless because if you don't understand the mechanisms of how it works, then you shouldn't be saying it -- because you're only basing your statement on what someone tells you. How do you know they're telling the truth if you don't understand how it works? Oh, I know that greatest of all scientists and foremost genius of all time, Donald Trump, told you.

Some are so committed to their belief that they would "rather die" (figuratively speaking) than be wrong. Others are so immersed in their denial that virtually no amount of evidence contrary to their position will be enough. Ever.
The earth is warming and human activity is helping to speed things up.

[sounding]

Some are so committed to their belief that they would "rather die" (figuratively speaking) than be wrong. Others are so immersed in their denial that virtually no amount of evidence contrary to their position will be enough. Ever.
The earth is warming and human activity is helping to speed things up.

And now you know why Al Gore (and the others) are afraid of public debate -- because they are afraid to talk about data -- the key to truth. All they have is narrative -- and no data proving "man-made" CO2 affects our climate. In the meantime, enjoy our ongoing global cooling. And for data-driven information you are welcome here ... The Villages Weather Club (https://www.theweatherclubvillages.com/)

[fdpaq0580]

"No amount of evidence"? So, tell me ... how much has "man-made" CO2 warmed the earth last year?

Why should I tell you? I'm not your secretary. You can look it up if you really cared. Besides, no matter what I or anyone tells you or the other deniers you call it bs and go off on another rant.

[fdpaq0580]

And now you know why Al Gore (and the others) are afraid of public debate -- because they are afraid to talk about data -- the key to truth. All they have is narrative -- and no data proving "man-made" CO2 affects our climate. In the meantime, enjoy our ongoing global cooling. And for data-driven information you are welcome here ... The Villages Weather Club (https://www.theweatherclubvillages.com/)

I think you are intentionally mischaracterizing " Al Gore (and the others)" as being afraid of debate. They just don't want to waste their time talking with those who only want a platform to spew their misinformation and will never accept truth over ideology.
As to data, it was data from years of global studies that brought the subject in the first place.

[sounding]

Why should I tell you? I'm not your secretary. You can look it up if you really cared. Besides, no matter what I or anyone tells you or the other deniers you call it bs and go off on another rant.

Good try, but that's not the answer -- and neither does Al Gore know. It's not my responsibility to look it up, since I am not claiming that CO2 is harming the climate. If you truly believe "man-made" CO2 is harming the climate then you should be able to say how much man-made CO2 has warmed the earth last year. Everyone knows that to be true - right?

[sounding]

I think you are intentionally mischaracterizing " Al Gore (and the others)" as being afraid of debate. They just don't want to waste their time talking with those who only want a platform to spew their misinformation and will never accept truth over ideology.
As to data, it was data from years of global studies that brought the subject in the first place.

Great ... so how much has "man-made" CO2 warmed the earth last year? Just ask Al Gore, but he won't tell you. Guess why.

[fdpaq0580]

Great ... so how much has "man-made" CO2 warmed the earth last year? Just ask Al Gore, but he won't tell you. Guess why.

You sure seem to know a lot about Al Gore. You some kind of spy?? Or are you psycho, I mean psychic? Besides, I don't really care about Gore.
Its late, I'm tired and I have an appointment in the morning. We can continue this nonsense tomorrow, but I'm going to bed. Good night, and pleasant dreams. 😴

[MorTech]

If the earth warms 9F, the land mass will turn into one big jungle from high atmospheric H2O and CO2 (aka, plant food)...The dinosaurs will come back and I for one am jonesing for a brontosaurus burger.

[sounding]

You sure seem to know a lot about Al Gore. You some kind of spy?? Or are you psycho, I mean psychic? Besides, I don't really care about Gore.
Its late, I'm tired and I have an appointment in the morning. We can continue this nonsense tomorrow, but I'm going to bed. Good night, and pleasant dreams. 😴

Al Gore won the Nobel Peace Prize for making a science fiction movie (Inconvenient Truth), and yet world peace was never achieved and so far all his climate change forecasts have never verified. First time in history an award was given to someone for making a forecast. Any fool make a forecast -- but only an experienced forecaster who has made several verifiable forecasts can be trusted.

[sounding]

You sure seem to know a lot about Al Gore. You some kind of spy?? Or are you psycho, I mean psychic? Besides, I don't really care about Gore.
Its late, I'm tired and I have an appointment in the morning. We can continue this nonsense tomorrow, but I'm going to bed. Good night, and pleasant dreams. 😴

Did you know solar panels on your roof can charge your car for free overnight? This is what happens when people listen to Al Gore and others who don't understand science, but prefer to utter nonsense about climate change ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyS9uqRLbB8

[Keefelane66]

Did you know solar panels on your roof can charge your car for free overnight? This is what happens when people listen to Al Gore and others who don't understand science, but prefer to utter nonsense about climate change ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyS9uqRLbB8
Actually with Generac and Tesla power wall system solar energy is collected during the day making it available in the evening. I watched the video I received my 5th Covid shot and there wasn’t a tracking device in suringe.

[OhioBuckeye]

Besides I thought Al Gore fixed it! He made hundreds of millions off of it but it must of came back because Biden & his cons seem to think it’s back.

[JMintzer]

You don't judge a weather pattern by one event. Go to NASA and look at the graphs, look at the changes, especially since the year 2000. The Global Warming and related events are increasing at a faster pace. If you have been watching the Weather Channel, you would know that catastrophic weather events have been increasing and have been more damaging.

Why do people try to deny it? Why do they listen to politicians and not professional scientists like those that work for NASA and the NOAA? I guess you simply don't want to accept it, so it's better to try to deny it so you can ignore it and live as you have been living. Yes, an "Inconvenient Truth" was the perfect title for Gore's film and what he was predicting is coming true and yet people continue to deny it.

Exactly my point! And you don't judge "Climate Change" by 7-8 years... Or even 20 years...

[sounding]

Exactly my point! And you don't judge "Climate Change" by 7-8 years... Or even 20 years...

Exactly my point ... why is there global cooling (last 7 years) during global warming? Is this the tipping point?

[JMintzer]

Exactly my point ... why is there global cooling (last 7 years) during global warming? Is this the tipping point?

Because it's neither... It's "weather"...

[sounding]

Because it's neither... It's "weather"...

Yes. Why has the weather been cooling for the past 7 years, when as Al Gore insists, should be heating up as CO2 increases?

[PugMom]

This morning Yahoo blamed climate change for the inflation of some foods jumping 40% last month. Climate change is about money not climate. We have, and never will have, any control of the climate.

it won't stop them from trying! :cold:

[sounding]

it won't stop them from trying! :cold:

Ditto. The government has many times tried to change the weather, no less the climate, with no success. Even stop a tornado no-less a hurricane. It's all a myth ... just like DDT causes cancer, 2nd-hand smoke causes cancer, and CFCs cause the ozone hole. CO2 has only been proven to benefit plants, even helps human civilization during periods of global warming -- called climatic optimums.

[JP]

Personally, I feel most of the world's current "problems" are related to overpopulation. That being said, to put the current human population in perspective, you can put the ENTIRE world population of humans in Texas with 10 square feet around each person. Pretty crazy. So does this level of humans cause a planetary shift in CO2 amounts? Maybe some effect but the total cause and hence the total fix....no.

[jimjamuser]

So what ... in addition to humans, polar bears have tripled -- and neither harm the climate.
Wow, that polar bear comment came out of left field. Since polar bears do NOT drive CO2-producing, fossil fuel burning - automobiles, then they do NOT affect the climate at all. But, humans do.......big time.

[jimjamuser]

1. Polar bear numbers are up thanks to hunting restrictions, not climate change which is bad for them.
2. The approximately 8 billion humans and the effects of their polution and habitat destruction has very definitely contributed to global warming. No amount of evidence, nothing will convince you. So, continue to ignore truth and continue to preach your misinformation and maybe, just maybe a miracle will happen to vindicate your opinions in the end.
Actually, I wish you were right, but you're not.
True!

[jimjamuser]

Good try, but that's not the answer -- and neither does Al Gore know. It's not my responsibility to look it up, since I am not claiming that CO2 is harming the climate. If you truly believe "man-made" CO2 is harming the climate then you should be able to say how much man-made CO2 has warmed the earth last year. Everyone knows that to be true - right?
Real climate scientists measure the temperatures at various points on the earth and have found INCREASING temperatures in 7 out of the last 8 years. They measure sea level RISE and find that INCREASING in the last decade. They have found CO2 INCREASING in the upper atmosphere and in the oceans in the last decade.

That, and I assume other indicators, is why 80% of global scientists agree that Global Warming is man-made.

[jimjamuser]

Ditto. The government has many times tried to change the weather, no less the climate, with no success. Even stop a tornado no-less a hurricane. It's all a myth ... just like DDT causes cancer, 2nd-hand smoke causes cancer, and CFCs cause the ozone hole. CO2 has only been proven to benefit plants, even helps human civilization during periods of global warming -- called climatic optimums.
I believe that 2nd hand smoke can cause cancer.

[JMintzer]

Yes. Why has the weather been cooling for the past 7 years, when as Al Gore insists, should be heating up as CO2 increases?

Because it has... 7 years does not a trend make...

[MorTech]

Al Gore won the Nobel Peace Prize for making a science fiction movie (Inconvenient Truth), and yet world peace was never achieved and so far all his climate change forecasts have never verified. First time in history an award was given to someone for making a forecast. Any fool make a forecast -- but only an experienced forecaster who has made several verifiable forecasts can be trusted.

Obama won a Nobel Peace Prize and then proceeded to drop 100,000 bombs on people's heads. What does that tell you about the stupid freaks on the Nobel committee?...And Yasser Arafat?

[sounding]

Obama won a Nobel Peace Prize and then proceeded to drop 100,000 bombs on people's heads. What does that tell you about the stupid freaks on the Nobel committee?...And Yasser Arafat?

To top it off, Professor Manabe who created the IPCC climate model which produced the worst verification results, won the 1991 Nobel Prize in Physics for his climate modeling expertise. The Nobel Prize has now become a political propaganda tool ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98zl8SlObLE

[sounding]

I believe that 2nd hand smoke can cause cancer.

Religion is based on beliefs, because it does not require data. Science is based on data. There is no data proving 2nd-hand smoke causes cancer -- unless you can provide that data.

[sounding]

Because it has... 7 years does not a trend make...

So why is the non-trend cooling for 7 years?

[sounding]

Real climate scientists measure the temperatures at various points on the earth and have found INCREASING temperatures in 7 out of the last 8 years. They measure sea level RISE and find that INCREASING in the last decade. They have found CO2 INCREASING in the upper atmosphere and in the oceans in the last decade.

That, and I assume other indicators, is why 80% of global scientists agree that Global Warming is man-made.

If "man" really is making earth warm, then how much did "man-made" CO2 warm the earth last year?

[jimjamuser]

Obama won a Nobel Peace Prize and then proceeded to drop 100,000 bombs on people's heads. What does that tell you about the stupid freaks on the Nobel committee?...And Yasser Arafat?
The logic of WHY that happens is easy enough. The Peace Prize is given for a point in time - for promoting peace for that ONE YEAR that it was given. They do not wait until someone dies and then give out a Peace Prize as a lifetime achievement award. Life CHANGES and people change - one year they are the best in the world and then another year comes along and they are ordinary or even disliked. Obama made the MISTAKE of being the 1st black president. That's difficult territory to be in..........not everyone is going to applaud him for that achievement.

[JMintzer]

So why is the non-trend cooling for 7 years?

Because it is... Get back to me in a couple hundred years and we'll talk...

[sounding]

The logic of WHY that happens is easy enough. The Peace Prize is given for a point in time - for promoting peace for that ONE YEAR that it was given. They do not wait until someone dies and then give out a Peace Prize as a lifetime achievement award. Life CHANGES and people change - one year they are the best in the world and then another year comes along and they are ordinary or even disliked. Obama made the MISTAKE of being the 1st black president. That's difficult territory to be in..........not everyone is going to applaud him for that achievement.

Everyone that pays their taxes should get a Nobel Peace Prize.

[jimjamuser]

Religion is based on beliefs, because it does not require data. Science is based on data. There is no data proving 2nd-hand smoke causes cancer -- unless you can provide that data.
OK. I am sure that there is a scientific study somewhere that shows that rats were given cancer by exposing them to 2nd hand smoke. But, I value my time too much to go chasing around and finding a study that PROVES WHAT IS INTUITIVELY LOGICAL to myself. Namely, since smoking produces cancer ; 2nd hand smoke indoors MUST produce cancer. Sometimes, I am fine with intuition. For example, I don't personally need to measure the curvature of the earth to not believe in a flat earth society.

[jimjamuser]

Everyone that pays their taxes should get a Nobel Peace Prize.
On the scale of STRANGE STATEMENTS from 1 to 100 - that is a WHOPPER !

[golfing eagles]

Everyone that pays their taxes should get a Nobel Peace Prize.

Don't you mean anyone who wins any election, even for dog catcher????:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[golfing eagles]

OK. I am sure that there is a scientific study somewhere that shows that rats were given cancer by exposing them to 2nd hand smoke. But, I value my time too much to go chasing around and finding a study that PROVES WHAT IS INTUITIVELY LOGICAL to myself. Namely, since smoking produces cancer ; 2nd hand smoke indoors MUST produce cancer. Sometimes, I am fine with intuition. For example, I don't personally need to measure the curvature of the earth to not believe in a flat earth society.

Interestingly, those statements are both right and wrong at the same time.

Yes, there are plenty of studies linking cancer to second-hand smoke---and while many are just agenda driven, there are many legitimate studies as well

However, the "logic" of smoking causes cancer therefore second-hand smoke must as well is deeply flawed. There are significant differences between what the smoker inhales and what he exhales-----just as there are significant differences between what we eat and what----well, you know the rest :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[sounding]

The logic of WHY that happens is easy enough. The Peace Prize is given for a point in time - for promoting peace for that ONE YEAR that it was given. They do not wait until someone dies and then give out a Peace Prize as a lifetime achievement award. Life CHANGES and people change - one year they are the best in the world and then another year comes along and they are ordinary or even disliked. Obama made the MISTAKE of being the 1st black president. That's difficult territory to be in..........not everyone is going to applaud him for that achievement.

Obama was not the first black president for 2 reasons.

(1). Clinton was the first ... Bernie Sanders Calls Bill Clinton “The First Real Black President” – The Hollywood Reporter (https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/general-news/bernie-sanders-calls-bill-clinton-881300/)

(2). Ask Obama's mother.

[sounding]

Interestingly, those statements are both right and wrong at the same time.

Yes, there are plenty of studies linking cancer to second-hand smoke---and while many are just agenda driven, there are many legitimate studies as well

However, the "logic" of smoking causes cancer therefore second-hand smoke must as well is deeply flawed. There are significant differences between what the smoker inhales and what he exhales-----just as there are significant differences between what we eat and what----well, you know the rest :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Narratives are fine, but a data-driven study is what works in the field of science. You can assume and believe anything you wish, but there is no data to support your claims -- just like man-made global warming.

[golfing eagles]

Narratives are fine, but a data-driven study is what works in the field of science. You can assume and believe anything you wish, but there is no data to support your claims -- just like man-made global warming.

My claims or the poster I was responding to????

[sounding]

My claims or the poster I was responding to????

Your claims are on target, so it must be the "poster" which probably claimed man is causing climate change or something silly like that.

[Taltarzac725]

Saskatchewan - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saskatchewan)

Effects of Global Warming on Saskatchewan.

Climate change in Saskatchewan - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_change_in_Saskatchewan)

[Taltarzac725]

Scientific consensus on climate change - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_consensus_on_climate_change)

It is kind of like chemistry as far as consensus is concerned. Some dark areas in brand new discoveries, etc. in chemistry or in new drugs and their interactions.

History of chemistry - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_chemistry)

[sounding]

Saskatchewan - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saskatchewan)

Effects of Global Warming on Saskatchewan.

Climate change in Saskatchewan - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_change_in_Saskatchewan)

That was edible until the part ... "most likely caused by greenhouse gas emissions" ... which is junk science. Notice that they never say how much "man-made" CO2 warmed the earth last year. Any fool can make that claim. Only "data" can prove it.

[jimjamuser]

Interestingly, those statements are both right and wrong at the same time.

Yes, there are plenty of studies linking cancer to second-hand smoke---and while many are just agenda driven, there are many legitimate studies as well

However, the "logic" of smoking causes cancer therefore second-hand smoke must as well is deeply flawed. There are significant differences between what the smoker inhales and what he exhales-----just as there are significant differences between what we eat and what----well, you know the rest :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:
I read this to mean that intuitive logic can be correct often.

[sounding]

I read this to mean that intuitive logic can be correct often.

Name one study.

[jimjamuser]

Obama was not the first black president for 2 reasons.

(1). Clinton was the first ... Bernie Sanders Calls Bill Clinton “The First Real Black President” – The Hollywood Reporter (https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/general-news/bernie-sanders-calls-bill-clinton-881300/)

(2). Ask Obama's mother.
OK. Another attempt to rewrite history, very similar to the oft-mentioned 7 years of cooling that popped out of some fever dream. In the US it is generally assumed that people with an amount of Black DNA may speak of themselves as Black (if they wish). And I believe that President Obama spoke that way of himself. Incidentally, Obama and Fauci would make a strong 2 on 2 basketball team.

I believe that History will go along with the 80% of scientists who state that Global Warming is taking place and that the cause is likely human use of fossil fuel engines. We here in Florida will likely be further exposed to the detriments of Global Warming and come to more respect Mother Nature in the next 3 to 5 years. So, we will be able easily to INTUITIVELY know that Global warming exists (like the 80% of scientists today do). Likely, in that short time period, Florida will be hit with one or more KILLER hurricanes. We will measure further increase in ocean level rise. We will see further loss of precious reef coral due to further CO2 increases and more acid bleaching. We and Europe will have to deal with 1,000 southern natives per day pouring into our borders due to dislocation from climate change. (that will be difficult as it's happening today)

So, the US and Europe need to be working on those problems rather than spinning their wheels and listening to the 20% of scientists, likely on the oil and gas payroll, that are Climate Change deniers.

[sounding]

OK. Another attempt to rewrite history, very similar to the oft-mentioned 7 years of cooling that popped out of some fever dream. In the US it is generally assumed that people with an amount of Black DNA may speak of themselves as Black (if they wish). And I believe that President Obama spoke that way of himself. Incidentally, Obama and Fauci would make a strong 2 on 2 basketball team.

I believe that History will go along with the 80% of scientists who state that Global Warming is taking place and that the cause is likely human use of fossil fuel engines. We here in Florida will likely be further exposed to the detriments of Global Warming and come to more respect Mother Nature in the next 3 to 5 years. So, we will be able easily to INTUITIVELY know that Global warming exists (like the 80% of scientists today do). Likely, in that short time period, Florida will be hit with one or more KILLER hurricanes. We will measure further increase in ocean level rise. We will see further loss of precious reef coral due to further CO2 increases and more acid bleaching. We and Europe will have to deal with 1,000 southern natives per day pouring into our borders due to dislocation from climate change. (that will be difficult as it's happening today)

So, the US and Europe need to be working on those problems rather than spinning their wheels and listening to the 20% of scientists, likely on the oil and gas payroll, that are Climate Change deniers.

Thar you go again with a "belief" in something. Happy religion, happy beliefs. I prefer to sick with data -- where none prove man causes climate change. In the past many "believed" CFC's caused ozone holes, and got suckered into paying more money for less efficient cooling gases. Note: the sun makes ozone, and lack of sun makes holes in the ozone because ozone is unstable and breaks apart during night hours. Those holes just keep coming and going, just like the 4-seasons.

[golfing eagles]

I read this to mean that intuitive logic can be correct often.

True. And even a blind squirrel finds an acorn on occasion :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[skarra]

I've concluded that climate change deniers don't really want to listen, and they don't really care about future generations. It's a head in the sand mentality. The scientific community has reached consensus about the issue, and it is supported by data. Pick up any reputable Science journal and you will find that to be the case. e.g. November Scientific American - Meltdown is faster than expected.

The bigger question is what to do about it.

[sounding]

I've concluded that climate change deniers don't really want to listen, and they don't really care about future generations. It's a head in the sand mentality. The scientific community has reached consensus about the issue, and it is supported by data. Pick up any reputable Science journal and you will find that to be the case. e.g. November Scientific American - Meltdown is faster than expected.

The bigger question is what to do about it.

The best thing to do is nothing, because "consensus" is just political science, not factual science ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1-FxwVkQ60

[Taltarzac725]

I would call the global warming deniers the proponents of junk science.

[Keefelane66]

The best thing to do is nothing, because "consensus" is just political science, not factual science ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1-FxwVkQ60
Beware of false knowledge; it is more dangerous than ignorance.

[Taltarzac725]

Beware of false knowledge; it is more dangerous than ignorance.

Climate-and-energy | Bill Gates (https://www.gatesnotes.com/Climate-and-energy)

Bill Gates take on Global Warming looks smart.

How to Avoid a Climate Disaster by Bill Gates: 9780593081853 | PenguinRandomHouse.com: Books (https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/633968/how-to-avoid-a-climate-disaster-by-bill-gates/?ref=PRHC41C719572&aid=21898&linkid=PRHC41C719572)

[jimjamuser]

Your claims are on target, so it must be the "poster" which probably claimed man is causing climate change or something silly like that.
"Silly" ????? If that is SO, then 80% of all Climate Scientists are "silly". We all know the old Egyptian proverb, "silly is as silly says".

[Aces4]

As I posted in the other climate thread…

Perhaps all the hand wringing and head shaking will cease soon. Did anyone see the headlines yesterday stating US Scientists have made a major breakthrough in ‘limitless, zero-carbon’ fusion energy discovery? I would think if we can develop a vaccine in less than a year, we should be able to develop this fusion energy with lightspeed shortly, if this pans out. This appears to be phenomenal news!

*Notice I didn’t say implement, I said develop…

[jimjamuser]

Saskatchewan - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saskatchewan)

Effects of Global Warming on Saskatchewan.

Climate change in Saskatchewan - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_change_in_Saskatchewan)
YES! The 1st paragraph pretty much is a "drop the mike" definitive Scientific statement on the VALIDITY of Global Warming and the need to mitigate against it.
......Apparently, the REAL scientists in Saskatchewan published their report WITHOUT consulting our vaunted, world-renowned Weather Club. Those stupid "Canucks", how dare they!

[jimjamuser]

Scientific consensus on climate change - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_consensus_on_climate_change)

It is kind of like chemistry as far as consensus is concerned. Some dark areas in brand new discoveries, etc. in chemistry or in new drugs and their interactions.

History of chemistry - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_chemistry)
So, the consensus of 99% of the scientific papers is that Climate Change is real and is caused by humans. The 1% that disagree can't be replicated or have errors. I guess that I am going to have to revise my 80% figure significantly UPWARD. Well, live and learn! I imagine that the Weather Club is happy to have that 1% distinction. Maybe they sell T-Shirts saying, "We are the PROUD 1% Climate Change deniers. Maybe they can stay for the next club meeting in the same room.......the Flat Earth Society.

You have to LOVE the grit and tenacity to stand up against the opinions of 99% of Climate Scientists. Sort of like the Spartans who were outnumbered 100 to 1 by the Persians at the famous Battle of Thermopylae!

[jimjamuser]

Name one study.
The Saskatchewan Government study.

[jimjamuser]

True. And even a blind squirrel finds an acorn on occasion :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:
Well, my eyesight IS failing and my tailbone IS starting to grow fur.

[sounding]

I would call the global warming deniers the proponents of junk science.

You can say that, but someone can say how much "man-made" CO2 warmed the earth last year -- man-made climate change just a myth.

[jimjamuser]

I've concluded that climate change deniers don't really want to listen, and they don't really care about future generations. It's a head in the sand mentality. The scientific community has reached consensus about the issue, and it is supported by data. Pick up any reputable Science journal and you will find that to be the case. e.g. November Scientific American - Meltdown is faster than expected.

The bigger question is what to do about it.
Absolutely, exactly. The Federal and State governments and even local senior centers need to provide money or tax credits to owners of hybrid vehicles, E-vehicles, E-bikes, and E-golf carts. Efforts should be made to limit the population of the world's biggest CO2-producing countries - the US and China. Overpopulating a country's resource capacities has historically resulted in wars and famine.

The world currently has both wars and famine going for it. People are streaming north to enter the US at a rate estimated to grow to 1,000 per day due to famine in areas of South America and general greed for wealth. People are streaming north from Africa to get to Europe due to Global warming making their countries uninhabitable. Poor countries are busy starving and rich countries are busy burning excess fossil fuel, which makes the earth's problems greater. Eventually, these 2 groups will clash, with neither of them remembering that the root cause of their problems was Global Warming. Meanwhile back in the USA, most people are NOT even mentioning Global Warming or even outright denying its existence. Hard to SOLVE a problem that isn't talked about routinely on TV.

[jimjamuser]

As I posted in the other climate thread…

Perhaps all the hand wringing and head shaking will cease soon. Did anyone see the headlines yesterday stating US Scientists have made a major breakthrough in ‘limitless, zero-carbon’ fusion energy discovery? I would think if we can develop a vaccine in less than a year, we should be able to develop this fusion energy with lightspeed shortly, if this pans out. This appears to be phenomenal news!

*Notice I didn’t say implement, I said develop…
Fusion energy IS a great development and has FUTURE great potential. But, will it be here quick enough to reverse ALL the problems caused by Climate Change, or will that take 5 decades? Will the people in South America and Africa be willing to return to their original countries........I don't think so!

[Aces4]

Fusion energy IS a great development and has FUTURE great potential. But, will it be here quick enough to reverse ALL the problems caused by Climate Change, or will that take 5 decades? Will the people in South America and Africa be willing to return to their original countries........I don't think so!

If this is confirmed to be viable, you won’t be able to stop it and it will evolve full speed. Contrary to some beliefs, the earth is not going to collapse from climate change in ten years.

I don’t understand your desire to return African and South Americans to their original countries. Surely that isn’t meant to be racist…

[golfing eagles]

Fusion energy IS a great development and has FUTURE great potential. But, will it be here quick enough to reverse ALL the problems caused by Climate Change, or will that take 5 decades? Will the people in South America and Africa be willing to return to their original countries........I don't think so!

Guess what? If it takes 5 decades that will be fine, since the global warming people are worried about won't max out for another 20-25,000 years

[JMintzer]

OK. Another attempt to rewrite history, very similar to the oft-mentioned 7 years of cooling that popped out of some fever dream. In the US it is generally assumed that people with an amount of Black DNA may speak of themselves as Black (if they wish). And I believe that President Obama spoke that way of himself. Incidentally, Obama and Fauci would make a strong 2 on 2 basketball team.

Yup. You're re-writing history... Obama would have make a better mason (brick layer) than a basketball player...

Watch him miss 20 of 22 shots...

https://youtu.be/4IjDqm-JHrA

[jimjamuser]

If this is confirmed to be viable, you won’t be able to stop it and it will evolve full speed. Contrary to some beliefs, the earth is not going to collapse from climate change in ten years.

I don’t understand your desire to return African and South Americans to their original countries. Surely that isn’t meant to be racist…
Not racist, just a matter of numbers. Too many NUMBERS of people are coming in. I don't care if they are white, black, brown, yellow, green or purple. Global Warming is caused by TOO MANY humans driving vehicles that are burning fossil fuel. The US and China are the top polluters. So the solution would be to have fewer people driving and fewer fossil fuel burners. A centuries-old, great philosopher once said that wars and pestilence will control population. OK. As far as pestilence goes the US has already lost 1 million souls to the Pandemic and it's not yet over. And maybe it is cooking up another variant. Since we live in an interdependent world, things like trade and airline travel can spread diseases around rapidly. As far as war goes, the world seems to be devolving into 2 groups - free and dictatorship. That leaves a lot of potential for a nasty conflict. And China has a ton of people and not so much natural resources. And their rivers are drying up as are Europes and ours. (courtesy of G.W. - Global Warming)

As far as fewer people go......I would propose that besides tight borders and minimum immigration, the US could have started in about 1950 to give tax credits for ONLY 2 children maximum. Today that may have limited the US population to about 250 million, which would have increased the GNP per person and be about right for today's infrastructure. But, it may be too late now and we will be controlled against our will by wars and pestilence.
........All of that forms a base of a pyramid with Global Warming being closer to the peak with respect to the factors that have driven the last 7 out of 8 years to be the warmest on earth. And the further prediction for increases for the next 30 years. Meanwhile, we are ignoring warning signs like animal species extinction, ocean rise, and the coral bleaching effect. And there are numerous other signs being ignored !

[jimjamuser]

If this is confirmed to be viable, you won’t be able to stop it and it will evolve full speed. Contrary to some beliefs, the earth is not going to collapse from climate change in ten years.

I don’t understand your desire to return African and South Americans to their original countries. Surely that isn’t meant to be racist…
OK, so you are guaranteeing no climate collapse in the next 10 years. I am guaranteeing that in the next 3 to 5 years that Florida will get hit with MORE killer hurricanes and preparation and lessons learned from Hurricane IAN will be MINIMAL. Miami will keep getting flooded. In 10 years the earth and the US will be much hotter with lots of fires and rivers and lakes drying up. Nuclear weapons will be deployed on regular basis. In 10 years wars and pestilence will be common factors. Also by 2100 90% of ALL coral reefs will be dead. Signed Nostrajimjam.

[Aces4]

Not racist, just a matter of numbers. Too many NUMBERS of people are coming in. I don't care if they are white, black, brown, yellow, green or purple. Global Warming is caused by TOO MANY humans driving vehicles that are burning fossil fuel. The US and China are the top polluters. So the solution would be to have fewer people driving and fewer fossil fuel burners. A centuries-old, great philosopher once said that wars and pestilence will control population. OK. As far as pestilence goes the US has already lost 1 million souls to the Pandemic and it's not yet over. And maybe it is cooking up another variant. Since we live in an interdependent world, things like trade and airline travel can spread diseases around rapidly. As far as war goes, the world seems to be devolving into 2 groups - free and dictatorship. That leaves a lot of potential for a nasty conflict. And China has a ton of people and not so much natural resources. And their rivers are drying up as are Europes and ours. (courtesy of G.W. - Global Warming)

As far as fewer people go......I would propose that besides tight borders and minimum immigration, the US could have started in about 1950 to give tax credits for ONLY 2 children maximum. Today that may have limited the US population to about 250 million, which would have increased the GNP per person and be about right for today's infrastructure. But, it may be too late now and we will be controlled against our will by wars and pestilence.
........All of that forms a base of a pyramid with Global Warming being closer to the peak with respect to the factors that have driven the last 7 out of 8 years to be the warmest on earth. And the further prediction for increases for the next 30 years. Meanwhile, we are ignoring warning signs like animal species extinction, ocean rise, and the coral bleaching effect. And there are numerous other signs being ignored !


This is politically polluted and you are dwelling on a fossil fuel fixation which fusion energy would greatly reduce or in the long term, eliminate.

If reducing the population is the answer, why wasn’t China successful in this endeavor?

Your’s and my end date are looming and your climate obsession has taken so much of your time, life quality is missing. I would go into a longer explanation of why many of your statements are flawed but I won’t go political.

[Aces4]

OK, so you are guaranteeing no climate collapse in the next 10 years. I am guaranteeing that in the next 3 to 5 years that Florida will get hit with MORE killer hurricanes and preparation and lessons learned from Hurricane IAN will be MINIMAL. Miami will keep getting flooded. In 10 years the earth and the US will be much hotter with lots of fires and rivers and lakes drying up. Nuclear weapons will be deployed on regular basis. In 10 years wars and pestilence will be common factors. Also by 2100 90% of ALL coral reefs will be dead. Signed Nostrajimjam.

How do you get up in the morning? I guarantee the climate won’t collapse in ten years. I can’t guarantee you or I will be alive in ten years. I have no guarantees about nuclear wars but then that wasn’t the subject, was it? Have faith and be the positive force in the world and not the negative Nellie who can’t accomplish anything.

[sounding]

This is politically polluted and you are dwelling on a fossil fuel fixation which fusion energy would greatly reduce or in the long term, eliminate.

If reducing the population is the answer, why wasn’t China successful in this endeavor?

Your’s and my end date are looming and your climate obsession has taken so much of your time, life quality is missing. I would go into a longer explanation of why many of your statements are flawed but I won’t go political.

Ditto. It's amazing what 30+ years of propaganda can accomplish.

[fdpaq0580]

The best thing to do is nothing, because "consensus" is just political science, not factual science ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1-FxwVkQ60

Consensus happens when there is agreement because the data supports it in science.

[fdpaq0580]

Name one study.

Show us the proof that no studies have been done. How much did man-made CO2 combined with the effects of all of mankind's worldwide activities and habitat distrution raise the overall average global temperature?

[sounding]

Consensus happens when there is agreement because the data supports it in science.

When consensus is reached, thinking stops. Einstein.

Furthermore ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOF7pPmMYY0

[fdpaq0580]

When consensus is reached, thinking stops. Einstein.

Furthermore ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOF7pPmMYY0

Even Einstein made mistakes.

[sounding]

Show us the proof that no studies have been done. How much did man-made CO2 combined with the effects of all of mankind's worldwide activities and habitat distrution raise the overall average global temperature?

Sorry. As is the legal system, one is innocent until proven guilty. Those who claim guilt -- such as 2nd hand smoke causes harm -- must produce the evidence. Otherwise, 2nd hand smoke is innocent -- by law.

[JMintzer]

Show us the proof that no studies have been done. How much did man-made CO2 combined with the effects of all of mankind's worldwide activities and habitat distrution raise the overall average global temperature?

You can't prove a negative...

[golfing eagles]

You can't prove a negative...

Yet it can be asserted that there are invisible space aliens causing global warming :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[JMintzer]

Yet it can be asserted that there are invisible space aliens causing global warming :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

https://compote.slate.com/images/7bebd458-dfe9-4c35-beee-da10caaaa99b.jpg

[sounding]

Global warming is producing the first of several large cold and snowy storms out West -- and yet to come Nor'easters out East. Notice that The Weather Channel (TWC) no longer talks about "global warming." They do, however, sometimes mention the minor cooling affects of La Nina, but ignore the major cooling affects of the PDO. Find out why this massive cooling is happening and why TWC is afraid to talk about the PDO. This and much more will be discussed Dec 15 at 1:30 PM at Laurel Manor.

Because of a Cold Front ... The Dec 15 Weather Club meeting is cancelled due to the threat of severe weather. However, the same talk (How The Oceans Influence Our Weather) will be given Dec 16 (Friday) at 4 PM at the Lake Miona Recreation Center for the Philosophy Club.

[jimjamuser]

This is politically polluted and you are dwelling on a fossil fuel fixation which fusion energy would greatly reduce or in the long term, eliminate.

If reducing the population is the answer, why wasn’t China successful in this endeavor?

Your’s and my end date are looming and your climate obsession has taken so much of your time, life quality is missing. I would go into a longer explanation of why many of your statements are flawed but I won’t go political.
Just to be informative, I did not say ANYTHING CLOSE to political in my post that was referred to. Fossil fuel usage, excess CO2 production (that is producing ocean acids that are killing coral reefs, the earth's temperature increase, and China and the US being top polluters (making their populations most important in terms of trying to SOLVE problems associated with Global Warming!) Nothing about that statement has anything to do with any particular party and is neither political nor biased against ANY ethnic group or even religion.

As far as fusion is concerned I just yesterday hear a scientist say that the recent news, while important, is MERELY proof of CONCEPT. He listed SO many problems taking years to go from concept proof to practical application. Most likely, none of us will be alive to see electricity generated in practical quantities. If someone in Villageland wanted to do something constructive for their grandchildren, they would buy an electric golf cart.

As far as

It is a COLDLY calculated statement of PROBLEMS facing the WORLD. which are so LARGE and comprehensive that they make politics seem like a child's game. China does NOT even have political parties or Russia, but they DO have CO2-emitting fossil fuel vehicles. And Russia has a WAR machine that contributes NOTHING to the
world and wastes fossil fuel for the purpose of killing people and destroying grain and agriculture that the whole world needs. That is part of the war and pestilence PROBLEM that I have been speaking about. Compared to these world climate and other large problems, individual countries' internal politics PALE in comparison.

As far as China's past attempt at population control failing.......I am NOT a Chinese history expert. I believe that they MANDATED married couples to have only one child. Then people wanted ONLY male children and they were even killing female babies. Apparently, that was NOT a well-thought-out solution and they gave it up. I will give them credit for the concept of TRYING to equate their population with their resources at the time. But, they maybe should have tried some different solution like maybe (just spitballing here) having a LOTTERY to pick the parents to have children. Using CHANCE to determine parenthood would at least be fair and they could have ended up with about 50% males and an equal number of females. I am sure that someone in Villageland is more capable of discussing Chinese history that what I just presented.

[Aces4]

Just to be informative, I did not say ANYTHING CLOSE to political in my post that was referred to. Fossil fuel usage, excess CO2 production (that is producing ocean acids that are killing coral reefs, the earth's temperature increase, and China and the US being top polluters (making their populations most important in terms of trying to SOLVE problems associated with Global Warming!) Nothing about that statement has anything to do with any particular party and is neither political nor biased against ANY ethnic group or even religion.

As far as fusion is concerned I just yesterday hear a scientist say that the recent news, while important, is MERELY proof of CONCEPT. He listed SO many problems taking years to go from concept proof to practical application. Most likely, none of us will be alive to see electricity generated in practical quantities. If someone in Villageland wanted to do something constructive for their grandchildren, they would buy an electric golf cart.

As far as

It is a COLDLY calculated statement of PROBLEMS facing the WORLD. which are so LARGE and comprehensive that they make politics seem like a child's game. China does NOT even have political parties or Russia, but they DO have CO2-emitting fossil fuel vehicles. And Russia has a WAR machine that contributes NOTHING to the
world and wastes fossil fuel for the purpose of killing people and destroying grain and agriculture that the whole world needs. That is part of the war and pestilence PROBLEM that I have been speaking about. Compared to these world climate and other large problems, individual countries' internal politics PALE in comparison.

As far as China's past attempt at population control failing.......I am NOT a Chinese history expert. I believe that they MANDATED married couples to have only one child. Then people wanted ONLY male children and they were even killing female babies. Apparently, that was NOT a well-thought-out solution and they gave it up. I will give them credit for the concept of TRYING to equate their population with their resources at the time. But, they maybe should have tried some different solution like maybe (just spitballing here) having a LOTTERY to pick the parents to have children. Using CHANCE to determine parenthood would at least be fair and they could have ended up with about 50% males and an equal number of females. I am sure that someone in Villageland is more capable of discussing Chinese history that what I just presented.

Yeah, you need to update your knowledge regarding Chinese population control which includes the fact that they were now attempting to encourage couples to have children due to the severe drop in population. Search under China being haunted by it’s one child policy. I’ll wait to hear from you after you done the extensive research.

And I personally find your earlier post to be extremely political and slanted. IMHO.

[jimjamuser]

How do you get up in the morning? I guarantee the climate won’t collapse in ten years. I can’t guarantee you or I will be alive in ten years. I have no guarantees about nuclear wars but then that wasn’t the subject, was it? Have faith and be the positive force in the world and not the negative Nellie who can’t accomplish anything.
It is part of human nature to choose to avoid thinking about problems. Historically, the US tried everything to avoid the PROBLEM of getting involved in WW2. Winston Churchill even had that famous quote about the US ALWAYS doing the right thing AFTER all other options are eliminated. I guess what I am saying is that Global Warming is a PROBLEM that 99% of scientists are fully aware of, BUT that the LAY public seems to blindly ignore for the most part. I am merely suggesting that ignoring the PROBLEM is going to soon bite the world in its collective backside!

[jimjamuser]

When consensus is reached, thinking stops. Einstein.

Furthermore ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOF7pPmMYY0
Normally the act of and the work put into arriving at a consensus by the scientific method REVEALS other issues and fertile areas to be further EXPLORED. Science NEVER STOPS !

Although sometimes the FUNDING does stop.

[Aces4]

Normally the act of and the work put into arriving at a consensus by the scientific method REVEALS other issues and fertile areas to be further EXPLORED. Science NEVER STOPS !

Although sometimes the FUNDING does stop.

So science is reporting a great discovery in fusion energy and all you can do is say it’s too late. And how is your research on Chinese population control issues coming along?

[JMintzer]

Normally the act of and the work put into arriving at a consensus by the scientific method REVEALS other issues and fertile areas to be further EXPLORED. Science NEVER STOPS !

Although sometimes the FUNDING does stop.

Wait, I thought "The Science was settled"...

[sounding]

So science is reporting a great discovery in fusion energy and all you can do is say it’s too late. And how is your research on Chinese population control issues coming along?

Ditto. Once one believes in man-made climate change, then the sky's the limit on being able to make up anything they tickles their fancy -- especially telling others how to live, but not them -- like the global warming establishment telling us to ride bikes while they fly private jets.

[Stu from NYC]

Yeah, you need to update your knowledge regarding Chinese population control which includes the fact that they were now attempting to encourage couples to have children due to the severe drop in population. Search under China being haunted by it’s one child policy. I’ll wait to hear from you after you done the extensive research.

And I personally find your earlier post to be extremely political and slanted. IMHO.

You beat me to it. China wanted population control but unfortunately the whole idea has gotten away from them.

They have a disaster in the making as the population ages and they have to figure out how to finance their version of social security while facing a huge shortage of workers as their population quickly ages..

[jimjamuser]

Wait, I thought "The Science was settled"...
Well, it appears that 99% of scientists have reached the consensus that Global Warming is real and man-made. Now they are turning their attention to things like improving battery life for electric vehicles and improving the power grid and hardening sub-stations, Science never stops.

[jimjamuser]

You beat me to it. China wanted population control but unfortunately the whole idea has gotten away from them.

They have a disaster in the making as the population ages and they have to figure out how to finance their version of social security while facing a huge shortage of workers as their population quickly ages..
Part of China's worker shortage is that they killed them off by having a bad, ineffective "HOMEGROWN" Covid vaccine. They refused to use effective ones like the US developed. China crashed headlong into the principle that wars and pestilence control populations. And the Russian war with the Ukraine is an example of war controlling both their populations.

[Aces4]

Part of China's worker shortage is that they killed them off by having a bad, ineffective "HOMEGROWN" Covid vaccine. They refused to use effective ones like the US developed. China crashed headlong into the principle that wars and pestilence control populations. And the Russian war with the Ukraine is an example of war controlling both their populations.

The population issue was pre-covid and I personally find these premises ridiculous. You can’t sell your positions to anyone who is even slightly educated in the current climate debate. I’m moving on.

[JMintzer]

Well, it appears that 99% of scientists have reached the consensus that Global Warming is real and man-made. Now they are turning their attention to things like improving battery life for electric vehicles and improving the power grid and hardening sub-stations, Science never stops.

I wish you would make up your mind. In one post, you state they've reached a consensus, and in another you state that "Science never stops"... Which is it?

And "Global Warming"? Really? You, of all people should know they dropped that mantra years ago in favor of "Climate Change"...

And I'm pretty sure that it's not scientists who are working on "Hardening sub-stations"... That sounds like a job for security experts, or even the military... Not guys in white lab coats...

[JMintzer]

Part of China's worker shortage is that they killed them off by having a bad, ineffective "HOMEGROWN" Covid vaccine. They refused to use effective ones like the US developed. China crashed headlong into the principle that wars and pestilence control populations. And the Russian war with the Ukraine is an example of war controlling both their populations.

You're blaming China's worker shortage on COVID??? :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

And you're actually stating that the US Vaccine was "EFFECTIVE"?

Lest I repeat myself... :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[JMintzer]

The population issue was pre-covid and I personally find these premises ridiculous. You can’t sell your positions to anyone who is even slightly educated in the current climate debate. I’m moving on.

https://media4.giphy.com/media/15BuyagtKucHm/giphy.gif

[MorTech]

Well, it appears that 99% of scientists have reached the consensus that Global Warming is real and man-made.

Do you have a citation for this? Do you mean political scientists?

What do you even know about science...What's your CV?

[Dan2020]

Did 30,000 Scientists Declare Climate Change a Hoax? | Snopes.com (https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/30000-scientists-reject-climate-change/)

[Byte1]

Well, it appears that 99% of scientists have reached the consensus that Global Warming is real and man-made. Now they are turning their attention to things like improving battery life for electric vehicles and improving the power grid and hardening sub-stations, Science never stops.

Improving battery life? Yes, I believe you will find that it is NOT gov sponsored "scientists" that are attempting to improve the life of batteries, but private corporations that are doing so. Power grid hardening? Power stations and sub-stations have always been a target in wars and terrorism, so what's the point you are attempting to make?
Wasn't the original reason for chicken little's "the sky is falling" warning was that we would run OUT of fossil fuels during our lifetime? By the way, the first electric powered auto was somewhere around 1830ish and was not created with the purpose of saving the planet from pollution or global warming.

[jimjamuser]

I wish you would make up your mind. In one post, you state they've reached a consensus, and in another you state that "Science never stops"... Which is it?

And "Global Warming"? Really? You, of all people should know they dropped that mantra years ago in favor of "Climate Change"...

And I'm pretty sure that it's not scientists who are working on "Hardening sub-stations"... That sounds like a job for security experts, or even the military... Not guys in white lab coats...
We all know that the military (of any country) has the money and the NEED to support scientists and technicians in the development of NEW technologies. You can't HARDEN a substation by putting a physical person there to guard it. (too many substations) (too easy a target). The hardening problem is going to require at least old technology like cameras on the ground or cameras in the air on drones and people monitoring multiple substations. ............OR the US is going to need to develop NEW technologies to harden substations and other vulnerable targets within the US borders, like key bridges. The US has enemies abroad AND within and has often been able to RELY on having the BEST weapons to fight because of US innovations and patents produced by .........wait for it.......... laboratory SCIENTISTS.

Space is also a potential laboratory and possible battlefield where the US needs to dominate the scientific field. Incidentally, this brings up the need for home-grown scientists that are produced by world-class high schools and colleges. Currently, the US public and private high schools are rated poorly compared to the rest of the world. For Americans to properly understand and support (with tax dollars) EVERYTHING from Global Warming (there I said it again) to modern military science we need better secondary education and for the "best and the brightest" college students to enter the science and engineering fields INSTEAD of being drawn by the big money toward the business and science fields. This will take a realignment of social goals similar to the 1960s goal of being the 1st to get to the MOON.

[jimjamuser]

You're blaming China's worker shortage on COVID??? :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

And you're actually stating that the US Vaccine was "EFFECTIVE"?

Lest I repeat myself... :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:
Yes to question #1

Yes to question #2
........and I will spare others the teenage-inspired laughing icons doing sit-ups or whatever they are doing?

[jimjamuser]

Improving battery life? Yes, I believe you will find that it is NOT gov sponsored "scientists" that are attempting to improve the life of batteries, but private corporations that are doing so. Power grid hardening? Power stations and sub-stations have always been a target in wars and terrorism, so what's the point you are attempting to make?
Wasn't the original reason for chicken little's "the sky is falling" warning was that we would run OUT of fossil fuels during our lifetime? By the way, the first electric powered auto was somewhere around 1830ish and was not created with the purpose of saving the planet from pollution or global warming.
That's a great picture of MY car. I ride it around the golf courses and everyone thinks that it is a custom golf cart. It is SO very quiet and NEVER needs to visit a gas station and it doesn't smell at all like most gas golf carts. It gives off ZERO pollution so I am NOT adding to Global Warming and therefore saving the planet. And people buy me free drinks because I am so KIND to the environment. It's a win-win. I feel like an environmental Santa Claus for giving a present to Mother Earth.

Mother Earth needs her pick-me-up present because her upper atmosphere is polluted with EXCESS CO2 from those villainous fossil fuel-burning golf carts. Her oceans are polluted with coral reef-killing bleaching acid caused by EXCESS CO2. Her pet furry animals are going extinct and the average US citizen could give a flying ..........raindeer. And her lakes and rivers are drying up. Poor old girl - mother earth.

[JMintzer]

That's a great picture of MY car. I ride it around the golf courses and everyone thinks that it is a custom golf cart. It is SO very quiet and NEVER needs to visit a gas station and it doesn't smell at all like most gas golf carts. It gives off ZERO pollution so I am NOT adding to Global Warming and therefore saving the planet. And people buy me free drinks because I am so KIND to the environment. It's a win-win. I feel like an environmental Santa Claus for giving a present to Mother Earth.

Mother Earth needs her pick-me-up present because her upper atmosphere is polluted with EXCESS CO2 from those villainous fossil fuel-burning golf carts. Her oceans are polluted with coral reef-killing bleaching acid caused by EXCESS CO2. Her pet furry animals are going extinct and the average US citizen could give a flying ..........raindeer. And her lakes and rivers are drying up. Poor old girl - mother earth.

I thought this was your car...

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/92/93/a4/9293a4f74903befbf93046e4ee20250b--robert-crumb-hanna-barbera.jpg

[golfing eagles]

I thought this was your car...

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/92/93/a4/9293a4f74903befbf93046e4ee20250b--robert-crumb-hanna-barbera.jpg

Sorry, you have it backwards:

Our modern SUVs are what the climate change believers THINK Fred Flintstone drove

The picture you posted is what they WANT the rest of us to drive. :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[JMintzer]

Yes to question #1

Yes to question #2
........and I will spare others the teenage-inspired laughing icons doing sit-ups or whatever they are doing?

Well, since China has had a worker shortage for decades before Covid, you would be wrong...

And to call a vaccine that:

1: Doesn't stop you from getting Covid (as it was promised to do), and...
2: Doesn't stop transmission of Covid (as it was promised to do)... and
3: That MAY make your infection less severe, and
4: May be linked to Myocarditis in young men, Blood Clots in women "EFFECTIVE", takes a Cirque de Soleil caliber contortionist...

But, you're free to believe whatever you want, and repeat yourself over and over and over again...

[JMintzer]

Sorry, you have it backwards:

Our modern SUVs are what the climate change believers THINK Fred Flintstone drove

The picture you posted is what they WANT the rest of us to drive. :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Touche´

[MorTech]

Good overview of climate science...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wt2dAq6CQas&list=PLHSoxioQtwZcqdt3LK6d66tMreI4gqIC-&index=2

Atmospheric CO2 is not the cause of climate change...It is the outcome.

[jimjamuser]

I thought this was your car...

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/92/93/a4/9293a4f74903befbf93046e4ee20250b--robert-crumb-hanna-barbera.jpg
That's my wife's car. Notice the missing front windshield. That is so she can yell at all the bad drivers that pass her and cut her off. And stop and talk to the neighbors.

[fdpaq0580]

That's my wife's car. Notice the missing front windshield. That is so she can yell at all the bad drivers that pass her and cut her off. And stop and talk to the neighbors.

My wife won't drive, but she still yells at the bad drivers.

[jimjamuser]

Well, since China has had a worker shortage for decades before Covid, you would be wrong...

And to call a vaccine that:

1: Doesn't stop you from getting Covid (as it was promised to do), and...
2: Doesn't stop transmission of Covid (as it was promised to do)... and
3: That MAY make your infection less severe, and
4: May be linked to Myocarditis in young men, Blood Clots in women "EFFECTIVE", takes a Cirque de Soleil caliber contortionist...

But, you're free to believe whatever you want, and repeat yourself over and over and over again...
Thanka, but I am not the only one that repeats things often here. Also, China may have done many things before Covid like participating in the Korean War. But their population and middle class started to increase only AFTER they opened up trade with the US (and stole our technology). I never really thought that the US got real benefits from the trade with China. Recently, our dependency on China as a parts supplier to automobiles has played out. And in the future with Robotics and A.I. ,we need them a lot less.

As far as the Chinese worker shortage goes......that's their problem. I just stated that their totally messed up response to Covid has hurt our supply lines and shown the downsides of outsourcing in general. From China's point of view, they badly handled their Covid problem and they locked down whole cities. Some people locked in small apartments may have gotten so "stir crazy" that they committed suicide by pills or jumping off roofs. China is not going to release statistics about THOSE deaths. Then, there would be X - unknown deaths from Covid itself. And MORE deaths from the clash between Police and rioters.

So, the net result is FEWER available Chinese factory workers because of Covid (I can't say AFTER Covid because after Covid does not exist anywhere) - (a 40% increase in the US currently). That IS my point. Covid has caused the deaths of many Chinese workers. I don't see how that statement can be argued against.

[jimjamuser]

Well, since China has had a worker shortage for decades before Covid, you would be wrong...

And to call a vaccine that:

1: Doesn't stop you from getting Covid (as it was promised to do), and...
2: Doesn't stop transmission of Covid (as it was promised to do)... and
3: That MAY make your infection less severe, and
4: May be linked to Myocarditis in young men, Blood Clots in women "EFFECTIVE", takes a Cirque de Soleil caliber contortionist...

But, you're free to believe whatever you want, and repeat yourself over and over and over again...
ONE MILLION US citizens died from Covid, basically, before the VERY EFFECTIVE shots were available. Some that refused the shots have died. And SOME died that need NOT have died because they were infected by asymptomatic individuals that basically killed others by refusing to take the well-tested and VERY EFFECTIVE CV shots. There has NEVER been a perfect vaccine and really NOTHING in life is PERFECT, even me. The Covid shots are very close to perfect and if they had taken longer to develop, we may have had 2 million Americans DIE from Covid. So, that is something to be grateful for.

[golfing eagles]

ONE MILLION US citizens died from Covid, basically, before the VERY EFFECTIVE shots were available. Some that refused the shots have died. And SOME died that need NOT have died because they were infected by asymptomatic individuals that basically killed others by refusing to take the well-tested and VERY EFFECTIVE CV shots. There has NEVER been a perfect vaccine and really NOTHING in life is PERFECT, even me. The Covid shots are very close to perfect and if they had taken longer to develop, we may have had 2 million Americans DIE from Covid. So, that is something to be grateful for.

Maybe. One million died during or after having tested positive for COVID, how many died BECAUSE of Covid is debatable. And then there were the reports of those that were DOA after an accident and tested positive post-mortem. All I can say is the true number is probably less than a million and more than zero.

[Byte1]

I don't believe that COVID is related to warming or cooling.

[Byte1]

BUT...............I don't believe we can completely blame China for COVID, when it came from here and then was given to them for research and development into whatever.......
I guess we will never get the whole truth about it.....since it will probably embarrass D.C. a bit it the truth came out.

[JMintzer]

ONE MILLION US citizens died from Covid, basically, before the VERY EFFECTIVE shots were available. Some that refused the shots have died. And SOME died that need NOT have died because they were infected by asymptomatic individuals that basically killed others by refusing to take the well-tested and VERY EFFECTIVE CV shots. There has NEVER been a perfect vaccine and really NOTHING in life is PERFECT, even me. The Covid shots are very close to perfect and if they had taken longer to develop, we may have had 2 million Americans DIE from Covid. So, that is something to be grateful for.

From? No, they died WITH Covid...

[JMintzer]

I don't believe that COVID is related to warming or cooling.

But it has to be related to the Coral Reefs dying, right?

[MrChip72]

How a climate change "debate" got morphed into a platform for some people clinging to questionable opinions on COVID vaccines after 2 years of data from multiple countries is beyond me.

Especially the same people saying that the China vaccines are no good, and the US ones are better, but still fake at the same time.

[jimjamuser]

Maybe. One million died during or after having tested positive for COVID, how many died BECAUSE of Covid is debatable. And then there were the reports of those that were DOA after an accident and tested positive post-mortem. All I can say is the true number is probably less than a million and more than zero.
OK, I can go along with a MAYBE on the CDC figure with respect to Covid deaths. I don't have access to any better numbers or any reason to question their statistics. That said, the Covid death count is STILL going up, but, thankfully, at a rate much less than during the Delta surge. I recently heard a Doctor on TV say that Covid hospitalizations have recently risen 40% to the point of causing problems for some Hospitals. And he was worried about the combination of Holiday travel and colder winter weather.

As a medical note .....recent research has produced a nasal inhaler that takes the place of a Covid shot. I am sure that you are aware of this. The problem was stated that the inhaler concept REQUIRED more money to be invested and that may NOT happen. Any thoughts?

[sounding]

OK, I can go along with a MAYBE on the CDC figure with respect to Covid deaths. I don't have access to any better numbers or any reason to question their statistics. That said, the Covid death count is STILL going up, but, thankfully, at a rate much less than during the Delta surge. I recently heard a Doctor on TV say that Covid hospitalizations have recently risen 40% to the point of causing problems for some Hospitals. And he was worried about the combination of Holiday travel and colder winter weather.

As a medical note .....recent research has produced a nasal inhaler that takes the place of a Covid shot. I am sure that you are aware of this. The problem was stated that the inhaler concept REQUIRED more money to be invested and that may NOT happen. Any thoughts?

Just one thought about this "Cooling Is Coming" thread ... why has the earth been cooling for the last 7 years? Or better yet, why is the earth experiencing record cold and record snowfalls so early? Both Bloomberg and the Telegraph (and others) all said there will be no more snow, and children will suffer from not knowing what snow is. And yet, they are sledding and skiing in England -- and it ain't even winter yet.

[Hardlyworking]

I’ll give up my gas burner when the climate czars all give up their private jets and 7000 sq ft mansions as well as contributing 90% of their net worth to the cause. Put up or shut up.

[jimjamuser]

I don't believe that COVID is related to warming or cooling.
There IS a relationship. Today's modern world is FULL of interrelationships, especially between the US and China, which we know are the world's biggest polluters. And China currently has a population of 1.4 Billion people. The world population is about 8 Trillion compare to about 1 Trillion in 1800. The Chinese middle-class increased rapidly and they are all driving vehicles that are burning fossil fuel, which is greatly adding to the problems of Global Warming. So, the Chinese population is a big factor in the increasing or decreasing pressure on Global Warming. China has handled its Covid problem badly and is desperate for a solution. Their Covid problem has decreased their factory outputs and decreased their middle class's driving habits. The overall result could (?) be to
produce less EXCESS CO2 and be good for the planet's environment and, hopefully, help combat Global Warming.

[jimjamuser]

From? No, they died WITH Covid...
Isn't that what people call "a distinction without a difference"?

[ThirdOfFive]

Isn't that what people call "a distinction without a difference"?
Nope. Big difference. I know of people who died in auto accidents who were diagnosed post-mortem with Covid. Guess what went on their death certificate? The CDC even has guidelines how post-mortem swabs that reveal COVID should be treated:


Collection and Submission of Postmortem Specimens from Deceased Persons with Confirmed or Suspected COVID-19

Postmortem Guidance
Updated Apr. 4, 2022
(CDC Website)

And not just accident victims. I personally knew a guy who was hospitalized for COVID. He was uneventfully recovering: I called him and he was looking forward to getting out and back to work. That night, he died of a cardiac arrest.

Another COVID statistic? You can bet the farm on that.