Suspect arrested in U of Idaho student murders.

[Taltarzac725]

Live updates: Latest on the Idaho University student killings (https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/idaho-university-student-murders-update-12-30-22/index.html)

This is a very current event.

The arrest is of Bryan Christopher Kohberger, 28.

Who Is Bryan Christopher Kohberger? Suspect Arrested in Idaho Murders (https://www.newsweek.com/bryan-christopher-kohberger-suspect-arrested-idaho-murders-1770447)

[manaboutown]

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[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

I don’t know how they caught him , but I always thought when the DNA came back that they would have there guy. You can’t stab that many people without cutting your own hands , the knife slips as the blood gushes even with one person being multiple stabbed

[retiredguy123]

I don’t know how they caught him , but I always thought when the DNA came back that they would have there guy. You can’t stab that many people without cutting your own hands , the knife slips as the blood gushes even with one person being multiple stabbed
I heard on TV that he was tracked down using "ancestrial DNA" which means that they can identify someone who has no DNA stored in the Federal database. I don't know much about DNA, but I am skeptical that this would be possible, unless they had knowledge of who his relatives are.

[Taltarzac725]

I heard on TV that he was tracked down using "ancestrial DNA" which means that they can identify someone who has no DNA stored in the Federal database. I don't know much about DNA, but I am skeptical that this would be possible, unless they had knowledge of who his relatives are.

They can probably investigate through various ancestry type sites where people send their DNA in to get knowledge about their forefathers and mothers.

GEDMatch and the Fourth Amendment: No Warrant Required | The Heritage Foundation (https://www.heritage.org/crime-and-justice/commentary/gedmatch-and-the-fourth-amendment-no-warrant-required)

[Pairadocs]

I heard on TV that he was tracked down using "ancestrial DNA" which means that they can identify someone who has no DNA stored in the Federal database. I don't know much about DNA, but I am skeptical that this would be possible, unless they had knowledge of who his relatives are.

As usual with these types of events, a lot of "speculation", but at least one "media" person mentioned that the MOST often used source of ancestral DNA is U.S. military records...meaning that IF the suspect's father or mother was an active military member at one time, that could provide the source/record.

Also interesting (but only mentioned once on another network) was one mention that the suspect had worked at one time as a PUBLIC HIGH SCHOOL security guard. Certainly could be, after all, NO criminal record, universally spoken of as a very good student, a person who obviously presented as calm, unemotional, a Bachelor's and Master's in criminology.... seems a perfect "hire" of a school offering part time security work ! Drip, drip, drip....in the weeks to come we can expect an never ending stream of revelations on this guy, it's already started. Class mates have described him as "intelligent but socially awkward", not a totally unusual circumstance, a profile millions must fit, but there will be much more to come..... drip, drip, drip....

[Taltarzac725]

As usual with these types of events, a lot of "speculation", but at least one "media" person mentioned that the MOST often used source of ancestral DNA is U.S. military records...meaning that IF the suspect's father or mother was an active military member at one time, that could provide the source/record.

Also interesting (but only mentioned once on another network) was one mention that the suspect had worked at one time as a PUBLIC HIGH SCHOOL security guard. Certainly could be, after all, NO criminal record, universally spoken of as a very good student, a person who obviously presented an calm, unemotional, and a Bachelor's and Master's in criminology.... seems a perfect "hire" of a school offering part time security work !

The whole thing reminds me of Crime and Punishment the Russian novel. Crime and Punishment - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_and_Punishment)

Crime and Punishment by Fyodor Dostoyevsky - Free Ebook (https://gutenberg.org/ebooks/2554)

[tvbound]

I just hope they have the right/only person involved, with enough evidence beyond a reasonable doubt that holds up in court and haven't been pressured to just get someone...while the real scumbag is sitting back laughing.

[CoachKandSportsguy]

My first reaction is an imitation of the show "How to get away with Murder", which is also in an academic setting, but also starts to go a bit haywire absurd as the show progresses. Stopped watching because of the absurdities, plus the show starting getting really dark. .

anyway, the same person, or a person with the same name, posted a very dark PhD research request on a website
I saw several tweets like this on Twitter, before the announcement of his arrest. The internet sleuths are pretty good. A similar eerie show is a Netflix show, "Don't F* with Cats" in case you want to sort of get an idea on how creative sleuths find some really good clues.

criminology guy

[Taltarzac725]

I just hope they have the right/only person involved, with enough evidence beyond a reasonable doubt that holds up in court and haven't been pressured to just get someone...while the real scumbag is sitting back laughing.

It is hard to game science if the science is there. DNA is how they finally solved the Michelle Mitchell murder in Reno, Nevada. Rodney Halbower's DNA on a cigarette left on the 2-24-1976 scene. Chain of custody can be a problem but was not with that case.

[msilagy]

They match his DNA with similar DNA in the ancestral data base and go from there. Someone in his family must have completed a swab and sent it in. I did it myself so IF someone in my family committed these crimes they would find him thru my DNA. He may have worn gloves but this will all come out. Gonclaves father said they don't know him but believes there was a connection - he just can't say right now. Kayla was most likely his target. It will all come to light. I have followed this closely. He is a definite suicide risk I think if he gets the chance - although he might love the limelight too. He has no soul and may have been a mass murderer. I believe he skinned that dog also. RIP to these beautiful kids. Peace ultimately to their families.

[Johnsocat]

Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty? If it turns out this guy is truly innocent then his life is now ruined...

[RiderOnTheStorm]

I heard on TV that he was tracked down using "ancestrial DNA" which means that they can identify someone who has no DNA stored in the Federal database. I don't know much about DNA, but I am skeptical that this would be possible, unless they had knowledge of who his relatives are.

The DNA of the suspect's relatives is alike in many aspects (but not in its entirety). If one of these relatives (i.e. mother, father, brother, sister, etc.) has their DNA on file it is a simple matter to compare crime-scene DNA to the DNA of these relatives and narrow down the field of suspects to just a few candidates. Subsequent police work (i.e. verifying candidate's whereabouts) can then usually eliminate all but a prime suspect. The police don't necessarily need to know the suspect's relatives, since they can easily search our very broad DNA data base for matches.

[Taltarzac725]

Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty? If it turns out this guy is truly innocent then his life is now ruined...

The press often tries the person before he or she ever gets to trial. That has always happened as long as there have been crimes that are of interest to many people. At least, the press is more professional than in the 1920s, 1950s, 1960s, etc.

The Moscow PD were probably very careful with the steps they took because of the worldwide attention these 4 murders have received.

[jimjamuser]

They match his DNA with similar DNA in the ancestral data base and go from there. Someone in his family must have completed a swab and sent it in. I did it myself so IF someone in my family committed these crimes they would find him thru my DNA. He may have worn gloves but this will all come out. Gonclaves father said they don't know him but believes there was a connection - he just can't say right now. Kayla was most likely his target. It will all come to light. I have followed this closely. He is a definite suicide risk I think if he gets the chance - although he might love the limelight too. He has no soul and may have been a mass murderer. I believe he skinned that dog also. RIP to these beautiful kids. Peace ultimately to their families.
I have watched several newscasts about these murders and I never heard about "skinning a dog". If true that would be newsworthy and very provocative. I like many people will have this on my radar for future news.

[Taltarzac725]

I have watched several newscasts about these murders and I never heard about "skinning a dog". If true that would be newsworthy and very provocative. I like many people will have this on my radar for future news.

That happened a week or so before these murders. The police believe these are unrelated.

[Barborv]

I read that the car was a big factor in his capture.

[Smalley]

This development of using ancestral DNA to find relatives of a suspect is fascinating and dates back only to 2018. I want to understand how it works in more detail. When they find the relatives which are more often cousins or distant cousins, I believe they search for last names and regions of the country. This is how to capture a criminal who's DNA is found at the crime scene but who is not in the police DNA database. It was used in CA to find the "Golden State Killer" in 2018.

[dougawhite]

This development of using ancestral DNA to find relatives of a suspect is fascinating and dates back only to 2018. I want to understand how it works in more detail.

Search Goolge for "dna genealogy crime solving". You'll find several interesting articles.

[PugMom]

a short while ago, i read a report with comments from the killer BTK's daughter. she came forward & claims there may be a link between her dad, the (BTK), & Kohberger . from MSN: The daughter of serial killer BTK has said she was sickened to learn that Bryan Kohberger, the man accused of killing four University of Idaho students, studied her father.
and the plot thickens :popcorn:
Accused Idaho killer was studying under serial killer expert (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/accused-idaho-killer-was-studying-under-serial-killer-expert/ar-AA15SmMI)

[Taltarzac725]

Timeline: University of Idaho murders | krem.com (https://www.krem.com/article/news/crime/university-of-idaho-students-killed/idaho-murders-explained/293-892df869-5e3e-4526-825d-6b9a2a2468a1)

I would be hard pressed to find any hole in this case against the accused.

Most of my legal training at the U of MN Law School of any practical value was through the clinic Legal Assistance to Minnesota Prisoners. I was a student and one of two Student Directors connected with Minnesota Correctional Facility--Stillwater. I had other courses that were more practical too but they seemed to be kind of frowned on by some of the more traditional minded professors.

They did try to teach it so you approach from various perspectives like that of the prosecution, defense, and the judge.

[Taltarzac725]

Idaho murders: Suspect Bryan Kohberger was seen multiple times wearing gloves, also placing garbage bags outside Pennsylvania home, source says | CNN (https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/06/us/idaho-killings-suspect-bryan-kohberger-friday/index.html)

This looks rather damning.

[Caymus]

Interesting, that his sister was in an indie slasher movie years ago.

University Of Idaho Suspect’s Sister Did A Horror Movie About A College Stabbing (https://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/news/university-of-idaho-suspect-s-sister-did-a-horror-movie-about-a-college-stabbing/ar-AA161sh4)

[Taltarzac725]

Interesting, that his sister was in an indie slasher movie years ago.

University Of Idaho Suspect’s Sister Did A Horror Movie About A College Stabbing (https://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/news/university-of-idaho-suspect-s-sister-did-a-horror-movie-about-a-college-stabbing/ar-AA161sh4)

On a different approach, I remember that Winona Ryder was a big help to the family and community of Petaluma during the Polly Klaas investigation. We lived near there in the mid 1980s through 1996 or so in Rohnert Park, CA. My parents moved there from Scottsdale, AZ but I was away at Minnesota for about half of that or in Illinois.

Movies do influence the behavior of criminals as well as many others. I do not think Brad Pitt made me do it or whatever star is a trigger should be a defense.