END the South Noise petition

[RICH1]

Lack of Due Diligence shouldn’t cost every Villager money… Stop the Madness
Signed,

Jake Brake

[PugMom]

Lack of Due Diligence shouldn’t cost every Villager money… Stop the Madness
Signed,

Jake Brake

how?

[Bilyclub]

A petition is just a waste of paper. The Turnpike Authority will eventually expand and they will build an ugly sound wall.

[heron848]

Is the turnpike brand new since the residents moved in?

[PugMom]

yeah, i wanted to give a respectful reply, but really? i'd have thought residents would've considered this before the move. maybe it's in the eye of the beholder? it doesn't bother me, i grew up in the city, & lived there many years. to me, it's quiet, lol.
but seriously, how would the OP suggest resolving the problem? thx

[Stu from NYC]

For most likely the biggest purchase ever made, how do people not look and listen before signing on the dotted line?

Good luck getting something done now.

[Velvet]

Sorry, maybe I don’t understand: someone wants people in the northern part of TV to pay for noise reduction in the southern part?

[Altavia]

True, buyer beware, but they might have better luck with a safety risk due to design.

The design didn't include extending the berm typically used to protect the homes the full length of that area.

There's a portion at the entrance to the Service Plaza with nothing but grass between the Turnpike and homes.

It's a matter of time before an accident sends a vehicle into someone's bedroom.

[ThirdOfFive]

For most likely the biggest purchase ever made, how do people not look and listen before signing on the dotted line?

Good luck getting something done now.
Not enough, from the looks of things.

I know several people here in TV who purchased their homes here ONLINE. Industrial-strength stupid, IMO. You get to see the house (probably staged for viewing), garage, lanai, maybe most of the yard. You do NOT get to see the neighborhood, ask questions of the locals, see the conditions of the streets, check out the availability of local shopping, restaurants, etc.--AND check for noise.

In my opinion part of it is panic. Houses were selling in record numbers as fast as they were being listed (not so much now, thank goodness), some even before they were listed, and people were afraid that if they didn't get their slice of the pie today, that slice would cost them several thousands (in some cases, tens of thousands) dollars more in a few months.

[retiredguy123]

For most likely the biggest purchase ever made, how do people not look and listen before signing on the dotted line?

Good luck getting something done now.
I agree, but I don't think I have seen a "dotted line" in about 40 years.

[pauld315]

The whole reason we never moved into a house in the south end was because of the turnpike noise. The turnpike never sleeps. All you had to do was go see in the house in person before buying and you couldn't have missed the noise.

[Kenswing]

This is a big nothing burger. A whopping 200 people signed that petition.

[Tvflguy]

We played Southern Oaks course a few months ago. The noise from the TPike was disconcerting. The semis downshifting to slow getting into the Rest Area. Could only imagine those sounds at night when there’s more trucks…. No way. Thankful we live where we do in TV. Ahhhhhh

[PugMom]

Sorry, maybe I don’t understand: someone wants people in the northern part of TV to pay for noise reduction in the southern part?

maybe he/she wants to move here, or has friends

[Papa_lecki]

I know several people here in TV who purchased their homes here ONLINE. Industrial-strength stupid, IMO. You get to see the house (probably staged for viewing), garage, lanai, maybe most of the yard. You do NOT get to see the neighborhood, ask questions of the locals, see the conditions of the streets, check out the availability of local shopping, restaurants, etc.--AND check for noise.
Never understood spending 400k/500k/600k and not spending a few thousand for a trip to FLA to see the place.

[dwoodley1975]

Think before you buy. The noise is not that bad at all.

[I'm Popeye!]

Sorry, maybe I don’t understand: someone wants people in the northern part of TV to pay for noise reduction in the southern part?

The Northern population part of the Villages is willing to make a ONE-TIME payment for these earplugs to be handed out to the Southern Villagers.
but', Next time (if any), look and listen before you buy!!!

[VApeople]

how do people not look and listen before signing on the dotted line?


Because there are too many things to think about when we buy a house.

We get sidetracked by the little things like the color the tile or the bathroom fixtures and forget the main thing is location.

[VApeople]

We played Southern Oaks course a few months ago. The noise from the TPike was disconcerting.

We played the new executive course in Richmond and had the same experience. We liked the course, with the nice shots across the water hazards and the tricky mounds and swales in front of the greens, but the noise from the turnpike was terrible.

And they were building homes right next to the golf course.

[Bjeanj]

I think they are petitioning the wrong entity. Need to petition the state.

[charlie1]

One thing that I am surprised nobody mentioned - The houses near the turnpike were priced LESS for a home than the same model blocks away. I believe all the reason people have given played a part in the decision, but I think price was also a big draw! Maybe they should take the money they saved and pool it to build their wall. I know I do not want to contribute as I did not get the turnpike discount when I bought my home during this time period!

[MrFlorida]

Stop, Look, and Listen before you buy. A petition after the fact is worthless.

[vintageogauge]

The whole reason we never moved into a house in the south end was because of the turnpike noise. The turnpike never sleeps. All you had to do was go see in the house in person before buying and you couldn't have missed the noise.

There are villages down here where you cannot hear turnpike noise. We live in Fenney and I've never heard it, Hammock of Fenney is even further from it as are the villages that are going to be built west of 501 down toward 470 and beyond. I find it very quiet and peaceful in our area of the south. The homes that were/are built near the turnpike were sold at greatly reduced prices because of the noise and as someone else noted there are a lot of people that the noise doesn't bother.

[Battlebasset]

In DeSoto. If I have my windows open at night, and wake up around 2:00 am, I hear it. Don't notice it during the day.

So my solution is to keep my windows closed at night. I looked at places closer to the turnpike and within sight of power lines. If that was all I could have gotten, I would have passed. Same for homes near Warm Springs/Morse and now 301.

Location, location, location. It's the only thing you can't change.

[Pairadocs]

For most likely the biggest purchase ever made, how do people not look and listen before signing on the dotted line?

Good luck getting something done now.

It's emotional is my "guess", people tend to "see" ONLY the positive aspects of something when in the thralls of positive excitement. Some other examples are personal friends of ours who, in the excitement of the many positives of The Villages, purchased a villa right behind the Villages high school. While they did realize a school means traffic, buses, etc. they readily admit it never occurred to them what sports games, blazing lights, bands, band practices, roaring crowds, etc. would mean. We've met others who never realized that the trains near Oxford would be as audible as they are in some villages. When people ask us about what to consider when purchasing, we just tell them to SLOW DOWN, don't "jump" too fast, investigate what being near certain features might mean. Another example, some people might welcome being next door to a rec center, for some would be like having their own pool, but for some who did not "think" about what the sound of early morning pickle ball games could be, it can turn out to be a nightmare ! Glass half empty, glass half full !

[BrianL99]

The Northern population part of the Villages is willing to make a ONE-TIME payment for these earplugs to be handed out to the Southern Villagers.
but', Next time (if any), look and listen before you buy!!!

I heard that the Developer hired David Copperfield to "disappear" the highway, during Open Houses.

As someone else mentioned, everyone who bought near significant highway noise, got a "discount". They seem have forgotten that aspect of their purchase.

[VApeople]

We live in Fenney and I've never heard it, Hammock of Fenney is even further from it as are the villages that are going to be built west of 501 down toward 470 and beyond.

As I'm sure you know, Route 301 is being changed so it will bypass Coleman and go much closer to the Hammock at Fenney.

Good news for Coleman.

[kcrazorbackfan]

It's a matter of time before an accident sends a vehicle into someone's bedroom.

Nah, probably not.

[bsloan1960]

For most likely the biggest purchase ever made, how do people not look and listen before signing on the dotted line?

Good luck getting something done now.

With the lottery system we were told, "There is no guarantee you'll get a house- Ever". And there is only a window of a couple of hours to say, "Yes" or "No" when you get the call telling you you are #1 on the lottery (beating up to 20 others who were in the lottery for the same house). So if you are 2,000 mile away- like we are when the phone call comes: 1) You feel REALLY lucky that you have gone from "Maybe Never" to "We have a house". There is no time to fly down, so you say, "YES". To make it even more difficult you can only be in 1 lottery for 1 house at a time. I hope this gives people an understanding of why people are desperate to get any house that is offered- and worry about moving, or making a petition later.

[Aces4]

As I'm sure you know, Route 301 is being changed so it will bypass Coleman and go much closer to the Hammock at Fenney.

Good news for Coleman.


Not such good news for Fenney residents…

[Aces4]

With the lottery system we were told, "There is no guarantee you'll get a house- Ever". And there is only a window of a couple of hours to say, "Yes" or "No" when you get the call telling you you are #1 on the lottery (beating up to 20 others who were in the lottery for the same house). So if you are 2,000 mile away- like we are when the phone call comes: 1) You feel REALLY lucky that you have gone from "Maybe Never" to "We have a house". There is no time to fly down, so you say, "YES". To make it even more difficult you can only be in 1 lottery for 1 house at a time. I hope this gives people an understanding of why people are desperate to get any house that is offered- and worry about moving, or making a petition later.

You can’t even consult an online map as to locations of services and where the homes were built? Hmmm

[Stu from NYC]

With the lottery system we were told, "There is no guarantee you'll get a house- Ever". And there is only a window of a couple of hours to say, "Yes" or "No" when you get the call telling you you are #1 on the lottery (beating up to 20 others who were in the lottery for the same house). So if you are 2,000 mile away- like we are when the phone call comes: 1) You feel REALLY lucky that you have gone from "Maybe Never" to "We have a house". There is no time to fly down, so you say, "YES". To make it even more difficult you can only be in 1 lottery for 1 house at a time. I hope this gives people an understanding of why people are desperate to get any house that is offered- and worry about moving, or making a petition later.

If people like their location good for them but would never buy a lot or house without considering what we are getting ourselves into. Grew up a few miles from JFK airport with planes coming over every 90 or so seconds and taught us to look before we leap.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

With the lottery system we were told, "There is no guarantee you'll get a house- Ever". And there is only a window of a couple of hours to say, "Yes" or "No" when you get the call telling you you are #1 on the lottery (beating up to 20 others who were in the lottery for the same house). So if you are 2,000 mile away- like we are when the phone call comes: 1) You feel REALLY lucky that you have gone from "Maybe Never" to "We have a house". There is no time to fly down, so you say, "YES". To make it even more difficult you can only be in 1 lottery for 1 house at a time. I hope this gives people an understanding of why people are desperate to get any house that is offered- and worry about moving, or making a petition later.

The lottery is if you want THAT SPECIFIC house. It's not the only house in the Villages for sale. If you want THAT specific house and it's on a lottery system, then you're taking your chances. I don't know why you'd do that, but that's your choice and your decision, and you're the one who has to live with the results.

We saw a pre-owned place we liked in the Villages while we were up north, listed on the internet. We called a Villages sales rep. Told him what we liked about it, and what we were concerned about it. Asked them to check it out. He called from the living room and said "I'm calling from your new home."

Did we give him our bank account and routing number? No. Of course not. That'd be stupid. Instead, I booked a flight down and a bus trip from the airport, had the agent bring me to the hotel, and arranged for a visit to the property the next day.

It was lovely. I saw things that concerned me, but weren't deal-breakers. So I put down a deposit, and the sale was a contingency sale, pending inspection.

Since it was a cash sale we didn't have to wait for a mortgage company to sign off on a loan, and we started moving our stuff in the following month. We've been living in it for the past three years.

I would do that for a brand new house, or a vintage home, or anything in-between.

[vintageogauge]

As I'm sure you know, Route 301 is being changed so it will bypass Coleman and go much closer to the Hammock at Fenney.

Good news for Coleman.

Yes but it won't be closer to The Village of Fenney. DeLuna is going to have a big problem too when they widen it. That's several years down the road according to the last report I read but it's coming along with more industry and family housing.

[vintageogauge]

Not such good news for Fenney residents…

Fenney is on the other side of the golf courses no nearer to 301 as it is now, it is not good news for Hammock of Fenney though.

[Marathon Man]

Lack of Due Diligence shouldn’t cost every Villager money… Stop the Madness
Signed,

Jake Brake

This again. I just don't understand why anyone would give a second thought to a petition asking for sound abatement. It's not going to happen. Just ignore it.

[Marathon Man]

With the lottery system we were told, "There is no guarantee you'll get a house- Ever". And there is only a window of a couple of hours to say, "Yes" or "No" when you get the call telling you you are #1 on the lottery (beating up to 20 others who were in the lottery for the same house). So if you are 2,000 mile away- like we are when the phone call comes: 1) You feel REALLY lucky that you have gone from "Maybe Never" to "We have a house". There is no time to fly down, so you say, "YES". To make it even more difficult you can only be in 1 lottery for 1 house at a time. I hope this gives people an understanding of why people are desperate to get any house that is offered- and worry about moving, or making a petition later.

Everything in this post involves making a choice. The choice you make is on you. If you allow yourself to act out of desperation, it's on you.

[Plinker]

You can’t even consult an online map as to locations of services and where the homes were built? Hmmm

In my 40’s, I bought a home across from a train station. Imagine my surprise when I put my head on my pillow that first night.
In my 50’s, I bought a home across from an airport. Imagine my surprise when I went to bed that first evening.
In my 60’s, I bought a home next to the power lines across from the turnpike. Imagine my surprise that first evening. I also should have paid more attention to the power lines as, 6 months after moving in, I appear to be growing an extra thumb.
Give me a break.

[bsloan1960]

You can’t even consult an online map as to locations of services and where the homes were built? Hmmm

A portion of my post: "With the lottery system we were told, 'There is no guarantee you'll get a house- Ever'".

This doesn't explain why, even after consulting an online map someone will take any house that's offered to them?

[Aces4]

A portion of my post: "With the lottery system we were told, 'There is no guarantee you'll get a house- Ever'".

This doesn't explain why, even after consulting an online map someone will take any house that's offered to them?

Who, when buying their home, would take a chance in a lottery that could put them living next to hell on earth? Maps would indicate what trouble would be in the range of your new home, lottery or not.

[ohioshooter]

Yes but it won't be closer to The Village of Fenney. DeLuna is going to have a big problem too when they widen it. That's several years down the road according to the last report I read but it's coming along with more industry and family housing.
DeLuna already has a problem. During the day it can take up to 20 minutes to get to 44. When we bought our house 6 months ago I was thrilled to be so close to 301. Now sometimes we have to go south to Warm Springs to go north, and we are just getting into the busy season.

[Bogie Shooter]

Violins playing softly in the background……………

[LAFwUs]

We had a new construction house in one of the south end villages that bordered the turn pike.
Recently moved to the north end. :) I am not surprised by one (of many, no doubt) petitions popping up.

When we toured the south end house and the surrounding neighborhood- in person, more than once, we could not hear the turnpike noise, or least it was not noticeable at all.
At night however, when the village quiets down, air temp is cooler, its readily heard, even inside the house!
So, it absolutely depends on WHEN you are outside/viewed the house, if a buyer even had the chance to do so in-person, as we did.

I can also attest that certain blocks of homes within the very same village, one can not hear the turnpike at all, (same with music from Sawgrass) while the next block over, even on a block of homes that is further away from source, it was impossible to miss. Sound can do weird things.

The general lack of trees, bushes, combined with large, flat, open areas, often with zero barrier other than 2 strands of century old chain link "fence", between golf course/homes & the turn pike in many areas, means that the sound of 70mph semi-trucks, tractor trailers, sirens, motorcycles, etc. travel unabated for long distances and can "stack up" coming from different directions.

That lack of any kind of real barrier, also lead to other issues, but I digress...

[ThirdOfFive]

We had a new construction house in one of the south end villages that bordered the turn pike.
Recently moved to the north end. :) I am not surprised by one (of many, no doubt) petitions popping up.

When we toured the south end house and the surrounding neighborhood- in person, more than once, we could not hear the turnpike noise, or least it was not noticeable at all.
At night however, when the village quiets down, air temp is cooler, its readily heard, even inside the house!
So, it absolutely depends on WHEN you are outside/viewed the house, if a buyer even had the chance to do so in-person, as we did.

I can also attest that certain blocks of homes within the very same village, one can not hear the turnpike at all, (same with music from Sawgrass) while the next block over, even on a block of homes that is further away from source, it was impossible to miss. Sound can do weird things.

The general lack of trees, bushes, combined with large, flat, open areas, often with zero barrier other than 2 strands of century old chain link "fence", between golf course/homes & the turn pike in many areas, means that the sound of 70mph semi-trucks, tractor trailers, sirens, motorcycles, etc. travel unabated for long distances and can "stack up" coming from different directions.

That lack of any kind of real barrier, also lead to other issues, but I digress...
Did you talk to the neighbors when you toured? I certainly would have. Odds are they'd have given you the straight dope about the noise at night.

[coffeebean]

Because there are too many things to think about when we buy a house.

We get sidetracked by the little things like the color the tile or the bathroom fixtures and forget the main thing is location.

Sorry, but there is no excuse to not check out the location. Location, location, location is a real estate mantra for a very good reason. For those who did not even see their lot and location first hand, there is google maps. Being close to The Turnpike is one big blaring deterrent to anyone who has good hearing.

[vintageogauge]

DeLuna already has a problem. During the day it can take up to 20 minutes to get to 44. When we bought our house 6 months ago I was thrilled to be so close to 301. Now sometimes we have to go south to Warm Springs to go north, and we are just getting into the busy season.

They are building 425 family homes on 301 at the Marsh Bend stop light, about 1/2 miles south of the light a 35 acre industrial park, and about 1/2 mile north of the light a large retail complex plus a few smaller developments. All of that plus the fact that if there is a wreck on I-75 or the Turnpike 301 is the detour route be it north or south. I plan on staying home a lot.

[Pairadocs]

Because there are too many things to think about when we buy a house.

We get sidetracked by the little things like the color the tile or the bathroom fixtures and forget the main thing is location.

Hit that proverbial nail right on the head...LOL !

[Pairadocs]

We played the new executive course in Richmond and had the same experience. We liked the course, with the nice shots across the water hazards and the tricky mounds and swales in front of the greens, but the noise from the turnpike was terrible.

And they were building homes right next to the golf course.

Well, ONE of those things will eventually come to an end.... the other, unfortunately, has no end ! For those who have ever stayed at a motel directly off the interstate, or an airport on sight hotel.... You know the experience.

[Pairadocs]

If people like their location good for them but would never buy a lot or house without considering what we are getting ourselves into. Grew up a few miles from JFK airport with planes coming over every 90 or so seconds and taught us to look before we leap.

Sounds like people considering the Villages are really being subjected to an unreasonable amount of pressure. And way does something like that even happen.....usually the answer is "because they CAN". But that does not mean one has to be so desperate as to accept any amount of pressure. I suppose, like most things in life, IF you accept the "sight unseen and make up your mind on the phone, you have 30 minutes, or 60 minutes, then you accept that risk ! ? Seems there "should" be some kind of consumer protection, but we've all come to know better than that.

[coffeebean]

Hit that proverbial nail right on the head...LOL !

Sorry, do not agree. Location is first and foremost of a concern when purchasing a new home but that is just me.

[Caymus]

We played Southern Oaks course a few months ago. The noise from the TPike was disconcerting. The semis downshifting to slow getting into the Rest Area. Could only imagine those sounds at night when there’s more trucks…. No way. Thankful we live where we do in TV. Ahhhhhh


Just wait, in 40 or 50 years all trucks will be electric, and the noise will be reduced.:laugh:

[Hardlyworking]

Just wait, in 40 or 50 years all trucks will be electric, and the noise will be reduced.:laugh:

They will still have tires.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Sorry, do not agree. Location is first and foremost of a concern when purchasing a new home but that is just me.

It's not the first, for me. But it's up there on the top 5 and there are definitely dealbreakers. For me "location" is a pretty broad category. For instance - I wouldn't want to be on the inside corner of a sharp turn, in New England where icy roads + sharp turn = car skidding through your living room window. A location dealbreaker for me here in the Villages would be the part of the golf course where the first ball can easily hit my living room window.

Highway noise for me isn't much of a dealbreaker. I can always just turn off my hearing aids, and it ends up being just generic white noise when the windows are open. Our house up north backed up to a Senior Housing apartment complex (just two buildings) - and the highway was right behind the complex. We could watch the traffic, and hear it if we were paying attention. It was only bad when there was a convoy of motorcycles. The kid living next door to us made more noise than the highway with his car speaker turned on full blast while he polished the car in the driveway.

Location for me is - anything that at least -appears- to be natural, mature plantlife. Brand new neighborhood that I might have to wait 3-5 years to enjoy looking at shade trees that actually provide shade to myself or my neighbors - is a deal-breaker. A courtyard villa area where everyone is sandwiched in like sardines with solid walls dividing their yards from each other - is a deal-breaker.

[RICH1]

With the lottery system we were told, "There is no guarantee you'll get a house- Ever". And there is only a window of a couple of hours to say, "Yes" or "No" when you get the call telling you you are #1 on the lottery (beating up to 20 others who were in the lottery for the same house). So if you are 2,000 mile away- like we are when the phone call comes: 1) You feel REALLY lucky that you have gone from "Maybe Never" to "We have a house". There is no time to fly down, so you say, "YES". To make it even more difficult you can only be in 1 lottery for 1 house at a time. I hope this gives people an understanding of why people are desperate to get any house that is offered- and worry about moving, or making a petition later.
Got caught up in their rouse!

[RICH1]

Well, ONE of those things will eventually come to an end.... the other, unfortunately, has no end ! For those who have ever stayed at a motel directly off the interstate, or an airport on sight hotel.... You know the experience.
Noise till death do us part !

[Papa_lecki]

Sounds like people considering the Villages are really being subjected to an unreasonable amount of pressure. And way does something like that even happen.....usually the answer is "because they CAN". But that does not mean one has to be so desperate as to accept any amount of pressure. I suppose, like most things in life, IF you accept the "sight unseen and make up your mind on the phone, you have 30 minutes, or 60 minutes, then you accept that risk ! ? Seems there "should" be some kind of consumer protection, but we've all come to know better than that.

Seriously, it’s the developer’s fault?
It’s called supply/demand. Despite the posts on this forum, The Villages is one of the hottest real estate buys in the country, demand is WAY outrunning supply.
The turnpike has been there for years.

[Garywt]

Lack of Due Diligence shouldn’t cost every Villager money… Stop the Madness
Signed,

Jake Brake
I have read this, read some responses and ha zero clue as what you are saying, end the noise, end a petition, do nothing? No idea what this post is trying to accomplish.

[LAFwUs]

Seriously, it’s the developer’s fault?
It’s called supply/demand. Despite the posts on this forum, The Villages is one of the hottest real estate buys in the country, demand is WAY outrunning supply.
The turnpike has been there for years.

Our VLS agent - last month - stated they average around 700-800 houses being listed for sale per month between MLS & VLS, with 400 or so of those selling.

Busy market, absolutely, but "demand outstripping supply",
umm, not so sure on that.
There is plenty of supply. In fact last I checked, there were still new homes in Deluna that had not sold for what?, 6-9 months post opening up...

Its clear the turnpike was already there. I don't think anyone is debating that. What is the complaint(s), is that TPTB have done little and in some cases, literally nothing at all, to abate even the obvious noise pollution from it, that has always been there before the first foundation was laid in the south end. (let alone the visual & air pollution concerns living so close, etc) They have only reduce the purchasing price on some, as if this wont affect the homes value & potential buyers of any said property, for as long as the turnpike is in use (ie: forever).
This is not a small issue involving a few unhappy buyers.
Lower home values, reputation, petitions of public record & lawsuits anywhere in the villages, can draw down all properties within it, even those in unrelated areas. The more they build at/near/over/around the turnpike, the greater the impact this all will have. I fear this is just the start of it.

I do feel bad for those that bought sight unseen, pressured by a perceived lack of availability, thinking everything shown in village sales publications from 2010, was how it actually is in the newly constructed areas of the far south end.
Having now lived in both sections, as many others have, the two areas are not at all the same.

[retiredguy123]

Just wait, in 40 or 50 years all trucks will be electric, and the noise will be reduced.:laugh:
Almost all of the traffic noise is caused by the friction between the tires and the road. Electric vehicles will do very little to reduce highway traffic noise.

[BlueStarAirlines]

Not true. Almost all of the traffic noise is caused by the friction between the tires and the road. Electric vehicles will not reduce highway traffic noise.

So downshifting before the serviced entrance will still be noisy because of tire friction?

[Caymus]

Almost all of the traffic noise is caused by the friction between the tires and the road. Electric vehicles will do very little to reduce highway traffic noise.

Rumor has it that they will also be self-driving hover vehicles. :jester:

[sowilts]

We live south of 44, Linden. Checked it out before we purchased our lot and cannot hear any turnpike noise. Some that live near to the turnpike may have more noise. Play Southern Oaks and it is a great 18. Fantastic place to be.

[westernrider75]

We played Southern Oaks course a few months ago. The noise from the TPike was disconcerting. The semis downshifting to slow getting into the Rest Area. Could only imagine those sounds at night when there’s more trucks…. No way. Thankful we live where we do in TV. Ahhhhhh

Lumping every house “in the south” together is just ignorant. Where we are in Monarch Grove we hear only a white noise type sound at times and at other times we hear nothing. It doesn’t bother us at all. We hear no trucks downshifting or any other noises like that. We also have played Southern Oaks and I agree it can be loud at certain holes, but you would expect that since it’s literally right next to the roadway.

[WingedFoot78]

Is it really necessary for the Villages to keep expanding? Where will it stop? Tampa? Orlando? We were told in 2016 that the Villages would stop at CR 44. That lasted a year or two. Since then, the TOTV has been rehashing this issue ad nausium. How about ripping up the offending portion of the turnpike and put in homes, golf courses, and, of course, pickle ball courts. Oh, yes, more roundabouts. What to do with the turnpike? I haven't figured that one out yet. I'll get back to you on that later.

[GizmoWhiskers]

Lack of Due Diligence shouldn’t cost every Villager money… Stop the Madness
Signed,

Jake Brake

Close your eyes and listen... the turnpike sounds like the ocean (saves you the 2 hr ride to the beach) with ocassional fire crackers. At night, invest in a white noise machine. Works like a charm... zonks ya out in minutes.

[RICH1]

Lumping every house “in the south” together is just ignorant. Where we are in Monarch Grove we hear only a white noise type sound at times and at other times we hear nothing. It doesn’t bother us at all. We hear no trucks downshifting or any other noises like that. We also have played Southern Oaks and I agree it can be loud at certain holes, but you would expect that since it’s literally right next to the roadway.
White noise ?

[retiredguy123]

So downshifting before the serviced entrance will still be noisy because of tire friction?
I don't know how much downshifting contributes to noise, but according to Google:

"Tire and road noise are the two biggest factors when it comes to traffic noise. Since electric vehicles don't improve that part of the equation, overall traffic noise will still be there. When isolated, electric vehicles are very quiet, but from afar, highways and busy roads will still sound roughly the same."

[RICH1]

Sounds like people considering the Villages are really being subjected to an unreasonable amount of pressure. And way does something like that even happen.....usually the answer is "because they CAN". But that does not mean one has to be so desperate as to accept any amount of pressure. I suppose, like most things in life, IF you accept the "sight unseen and make up your mind on the phone, you have 30 minutes, or 60 minutes, then you accept that risk ! ? Seems there "should" be some kind of consumer protection, but we've all come to know better than that.
Well said….

[defrey12]

I live in Fenney. There’s a petition? To do what? By whom? Yes, that’s how well organized they are…Caveat Emptor.

[sallyg]

We live in Marsh Bend. Lots of green space, beautiful facilities. We've heard the turnpike once in a while outside, late at night, taking the dog out. Not an issue here.

[RICH1]

Lol…

[Manders]

Lack of Due Diligence shouldn’t cost every Villager money… Stop the Madness
Signed,

Jake Brake

Sounds reasonable. Move a highway because someone didn’t do their research and moved next to it.

If you were king, what solution would you propose? Close the highway??

[Stu from NYC]

Is it really necessary for the Villages to keep expanding? Where will it stop? Tampa? Orlando? We were told in 2016 that the Villages would stop at CR 44. That lasted a year or two. Since then, the TOTV has been rehashing this issue ad nausium. How about ripping up the offending portion of the turnpike and put in homes, golf courses, and, of course, pickle ball courts. Oh, yes, more roundabouts. What to do with the turnpike? I haven't figured that one out yet. I'll get back to you on that later.

If you were the Morse family and your business makes a good return on investment by continuing to expand would you stop?

[Veracity]

Sounds like people considering the Villages are really being subjected to an unreasonable amount of pressure. And way does something like that even happen.....usually the answer is "because they CAN". But that does not mean one has to be so desperate as to accept any amount of pressure. I suppose, like most things in life, IF you accept the "sight unseen and make up your mind on the phone, you have 30 minutes, or 60 minutes, then you accept that risk ! ? Seems there "should" be some kind of consumer protection, but we've all come to know better than that.

This is simply not true. The "lottery system" is used only for new-construction houses so as not to create "bidding wars" which could unreasonably inflate the prices of new houses (and The Villages and their sales agents would be making windfall profits on certain homes). If they were to take the highest bidder, instead of using the "lottery system" they could not control the price of some houses from going through the roof, and many newly constructed houses would most likely be beyond the reach of the average home buyer. Bidding wars would probably be in the best interest of The Developer, but they have instead come up with a system to protect consumers against price gouging. We threw our name into the hat for a couple homes in Richmond which we did NOT get. It does not cost anything to enter the lottery for the opportunity to buy a specific house. We were told that if we won the lottery that we would have a short amount of time to put down a deposit to finalize the deal because there would be others on the waiting list. No one forces you to buy the house, even after winning the lottery. They don't care if you back out because they will simply offer it to the next person, until they eventually get a serious buyer who puts down a deposit. You have 24 hours to move forward...or not. Each time we entered the lottery, our Villages Sales Agent told us to consider the noise from the turnpike. Eventually, we gave up on Richmond because we were getting too close to the turnpike for our liking. Sure, we were disappointed that we didn't get the house we wanted, but someone else is happy, and no one got the house by paying more than what it is worth. Our sales agent is looking for another house and with the recent slowdown in the housing market, we are certain that we will find a great location within our tolerance to the turnpike noise (we want to be south because that is where we are currently renting a house and we love the walking paths and nature trails in the southern area). I think that people are very quick to blame the Developer, or a Sales Agent instead of themselves for their own impulse buying. There is enough demand for these houses, that there is no need to put pressure on anyone to buy. If anything, we found that they are trying to tamp down the pressure by using a a process that does not pit buyer-against-buyer and gives people the opportunity to easily back out, but like everything else, the buyer needs to do their own due diligence and know what they are buying. That's on you, not The Developer and not the Sales Agent.

[Karmanng]

The whole reason we never moved into a house in the south end was because of the turnpike noise. The turnpike never sleeps. All you had to do was go see in the house in person before buying and you couldn't have missed the noise.


I actually bought near the turnpike much to my surprise! I never heard it once when we were outside discussing what to offer. AND again when I went back there in late fall still did not hear it. Heard if mildly when on the exercise area but no biggy. Renters say depending on the way the wind blows they can hear it only if in front of house. My section must be blocked pretty good....Village of LINDEN

[Vermilion Villager]

Sorry, maybe I don’t understand: someone wants people in the northern part of TV to pay for noise reduction in the southern part?

Sorry...I do understand. There is always someone like you who wants to make it "us vs, them"

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

If you were the Morse family and your business makes a good return on investment by continuing to expand would you stop?

I'm actually curious, in a morbid sort of way. I wonder what happens to the Villages if the next generation of Morse Family members decide they're not interested in the business at all, and go on to other things. Does the entire Villages close due to lack of interest of the holding company? If they sold it, well at this point you'd need a major corporation or an insanely wealthy person to buy them out. What would the community be like, if that happened?

[Karmanng]

They are building 425 family homes on 301 at the Marsh Bend stop light, about 1/2 miles south of the light a 35 acre industrial park, and about 1/2 mile north of the light a large retail complex plus a few smaller developments. All of that plus the fact that if there is a wreck on I-75 or the Turnpike 301 is the detour route be it north or south. I plan on staying home a lot.

When visiting I did not care at all for Deluna or Richmond but mainly due to the fact that it was very swampy there. Where I bought its much nicer and YES ON THE MAP it shows I am close to the turnpike but 2 visits and a few golf cart drive bys can not even hear it..

[olliesnorth@aol.com]

If one makes the purchase near the highway. Then now complain.
You didn’t do your due diligence before your purchase.
3 options
Live with it
Sell it
Or continue to complain

[Kenswing]

This is simply not true. The "lottery system" is used only for new-construction houses so as not to create "bidding wars" which could unreasonably inflate the prices of new houses (and The Villages and their sales agents would be making windfall profits on certain homes). If they were to take the highest bidder, instead of using the "lottery system" they could not control the price of some houses from going through the roof, and many newly constructed houses would most likely be beyond the reach of the average home buyer. Bidding wars would probably be in the best interest of The Developer, but they have instead come up with a system to protect consumers against price gouging. We threw our name into the hat for a couple homes in Richmond which we did NOT get. It does not cost anything to enter the lottery for the opportunity to buy a specific house. We were told that if we won the lottery that we would have a short amount of time to put down a deposit to finalize the deal because there would be others on the waiting list. No one forces you to buy the house, even after winning the lottery. They don't care if you back out because they will simply offer it to the next person, until they eventually get a serious buyer who puts down a deposit. You have 24 hours to move forward...or not. Each time we entered the lottery, our Villages Sales Agent told us to consider the noise from the turnpike. Eventually, we gave up on Richmond because we were getting too close to the turnpike for our liking. Sure, we were disappointed that we didn't get the house we wanted, but someone else is happy, and no one got the house by paying more than what it is worth. Our sales agent is looking for another house and with the recent slowdown in the housing market, we are certain that we will find a great location within our tolerance to the turnpike noise (we want to be south because that is where we are currently renting a house and we love the walking paths and nature trails in the southern area). I think that people are very quick to blame the Developer, or a Sales Agent instead of themselves for their own impulse buying. There is enough demand for these houses, that there is no need to put pressure on anyone to buy. If anything, we found that they are trying to tamp down the pressure by using a a process that does not pit buyer-against-buyer and gives people the opportunity to easily back out, but like everything else, the buyer needs to do their own due diligence and know what they are buying. That's on you, not The Developer and not the Sales Agent.
Perfectly stated.

[Kenswing]

I'm actually curious, in a morbid sort of way. I wonder what happens to the Villages if the next generation of Morse Family members decide they're not interested in the business at all, and go on to other things. Does the entire Villages close due to lack of interest of the holding company? If they sold it, well at this point you'd need a major corporation or an insanely wealthy person to buy them out. What would the community be like, if that happened?
Or if they couldn’t find someone to buy it in whole and had to sell it piecemeal? What kind of can of worms would that be?

[Velvet]

Sorry...I do understand. There is always someone like you who wants to make it "us vs, them"

??? I didn’t start this thread. I am just amazed that someone wants others to subsidize their comfort level.

[VApeople]

ON THE MAP it shows I am close to the turnpike but 2 visits and a few golf cart drive bys can not even hear it..

Maybe that is because the turnpike near your house is at a lower elevation and the land around it muffles the sound. Or maybe the sound was less because of the wind direction.

We live north of Route 44 but spend a lot of time in the Southern Area because we like the amenities. We often walk on the Hawkins nature trail and sometimes the Turnpike noise is very noticeable, but sometimes it isn't.

[I'm Popeye!]

Is that a particularly unique house with many perks to fall under a "Lottery System"? If so, stop beefing and enjoy the perks that most of us don't have! :ho:

[Michael 61]

Here’s my input - After years of much researching TV, took my first lifestyle visit in July 2022 - fell in love with TV, and the south end in particular - wanted a new build close to Brownwood and to the nature/walking trails of the South. Returned for second lifestyle visit in August 2022 - DeLuna was the only village selling new builds at time. Researched the available homes - most at that time were in the northern section (next to Turnpike) or against 301 on the far western side. Although I didn’t want a home with a backyard that faces the turnpike - I thought I could tolerate being just a block or two away. Drove my golf cart to all new patio villas for sale in DeLuna, as well as those soon to come up for sale, so I knew the location, as I would be bidding from outside the state. During the day, I thought the turnpike noise was like “white noise” once you begin to get several blocks away from it. When I rode my golf cart back at night (like 11pm) the noise was more noticeable, so I decided to pass on northern/western DeLuna and wait for Richmond. Returned for third visit in October 2022. Rented a patio villa off Hillsborough trial. Liked the neighborhood and area, but the villa, though a few years old, felt dated compared to the homes I stayed in during my lifestyle visits - confirmed I wanted a new build further south. During this visit, Richmond had not yet come online, but I drove my golf cart all around the construction in Richmond to get to know the lay of the land, and yes, check out turnpike noise. I needed to know the area well, since if lucky, I would be in the lottery from out of state, not seeing the home in person. I realized there were going to be two areas of patio villas in Richmond - one on the extreme north end of Richmond, and another alongside the turnpike to the south. The south end was not an option due to noise. The north, however, was different. You have to strain to hear it during the day, and at most time not noticeable. At night, you hear a little bit, not from the turnpike, but from 44 along with a little bit of music from Brownwood. In November, after many attempts, I secured a win in the lottery in north Richmond. I was a little nervous buying a house sight-unseen, but because I had previously done my homework regarding noise, I wasn’t too worried. This has worked out fine. I can walk to Brownwood if I want, and any noise from turnpike/44 is almost non-existent during the day and very minimal at night. So, you can not lump the entire area south of 44 as having terrible turnpike noise.

[Signguy]

The plan should have included a barrier.

I went to the area in Richmond for three days, several times a day, the noise was light hum. I decided to go for it and I got "Lucky". Living here now for almost two months, the noise does seem louder at times.

When I put in my pool, I will put in a Privacy Wall on the side that faces the highway.

[Strom]

When we purchased in 2012, there was to be no expansion below 466A. Odell was a quiet road. We specifically chose this area for its peace and had checked it out numerous times before purchasing. Now traffic has increased due to expansion in The Villages. We installed shrubs and trees for privacy and some noise reduction. I would put up my own wall but not allowed. Sometimes despite all your due diligence you have no control.

[Lisanp@aol.com]

There will never be a sound barrier or wall installed. It is the goal of the developer to have beautiful golf courses flanking both sides of the turnpike as you drive through, as a living billboard to their community and it’s amenities. Anyone who wastes their time and energy trying to change that is just a fool!

[ohioshooter]

There will never be a sound barrier or wall installed. It is the goal of the developer to have beautiful golf courses flanking both sides of the turnpike as you drive through, as a living billboard to their community and it’s amenities. Anyone who wastes their time and energy trying to change that is just a fool!

A little harsh, aren’t you?

[Papa_lecki]

There will never be a sound barrier or wall installed. It is the goal of the developer to have beautiful golf courses flanking both sides of the turnpike as you drive through, as a living billboard to their community and it’s amenities. Anyone who wastes their time and energy trying to change that is just a fool!

Yes there will be a wall. The state is expanding the third lane on the turnpike, moving north. As they do that, the state is adding the wall.

[Caymus]

There will never be a sound barrier or wall installed. It is the goal of the developer to have beautiful golf courses flanking both sides of the turnpike as you drive through, as a living billboard to their community and it’s amenities. Anyone who wastes their time and energy trying to change that is just a fool!

Wouldn't the wall be built and owned by the state?

[vintageogauge]

Our VLS agent - last month - stated they average around 700-800 houses being listed for sale per month between MLS & VLS, with 400 or so of those selling.

Busy market, absolutely, but "demand outstripping supply",
umm, not so sure on that.
There is plenty of supply. In fact last I checked, there were still new homes in Deluna that had not sold for what?, 6-9 months post opening up...

Its clear the turnpike was already there. I don't think anyone is debating that. What is the complaint(s), is that TPTB have done little and in some cases, literally nothing at all, to abate even the obvious noise pollution from it, that has always been there before the first foundation was laid in the south end. (let alone the visual & air pollution concerns living so close, etc) They have only reduce the purchasing price on some, as if this wont affect the homes value & potential buyers of any said property, for as long as the turnpike is in use (ie: forever).
This is not a small issue involving a few unhappy buyers.
Lower home values, reputation, petitions of public record & lawsuits anywhere in the villages, can draw down all properties within it, even those in unrelated areas. The more they build at/near/over/around the turnpike, the greater the impact this all will have. I fear this is just the start of it.

I do feel bad for those that bought sight unseen, pressured by a perceived lack of availability, thinking everything shown in village sales publications from 2010, was how it actually is in the newly constructed areas of the far south end.
Having now lived in both sections, as many others have, the two areas are not at all the same.

The homes lingering in DeLuna for sale are those that are really near the turnpike and 301 or the power lines, same thing happened in Chitty Chatty and they were discounting them, homes in desirable areas are sold instantly. Try to find an Ivy or Woodside on water or the golf course, there are none unless they are totally overpriced. The smaller homes on interior lots are available for sure but larger homes on premium lots are not and that is where demand is higher than supply.

[Braddock]

I’ve been told that the turnpike authority is planning on closing the turnpike from 10 PM to 8 AM to mitigate the noise for the villagers. They may try it first on even days only and if that doesn’t work they will reroute the toll road and I 75. I’ve been also told that due to airplanes flying over that the Orlando airport will also be closed accordingly.

[Braddock]

The Northern population part of the Villages is willing to make a ONE-TIME payment for these earplugs to be handed out to the Southern Villagers.
but', Next time (if any), look and listen before you buy!!!

Can also be used as but plugs. But, but, butt

[MillerD]

This is a big nothing burger. A whopping 200 people signed that petition.
Never saw the petition. Please advise.

We live near it. Sometimes very bad, others not at all.

But I would prefer it without. I use a sound machine at night if necessary.
I do have concerns about resale.

[Papa_lecki]

Never saw the petition. Please advise.

We live near it. Sometimes very bad, others not at all.

But I would prefer it without. I use a sound machine at night if necessary.
I do have concerns about resale.

Was the turnpike there when you bought?

[MillerD]

I’ve been told that the turnpike authority is planning on closing the turnpike from 10 PM to 8 AM to mitigate the noise for the villagers. They may try it first on even days only and if that doesn’t work they will reroute the toll road and I 75. I’ve been also told that due to airplanes flying over that the Orlando airport will also be closed accordingly.
Where did you hear that? They will never close the turnpike. Truck drivers need to supply food and gas, people work all hours.

[MillerD]

Wouldn't the wall be built and owned by the state?
Do you know how much pull the Morse family has?

[MillerD]

Can also be used as but plugs. But, but, butt
We would have preferred the Northern end, but the prices are quite high for all original, 20 year homes. So we were priced out.

[Altavia]

I’ve been told that the turnpike authority is planning on closing the turnpike from 10 PM to 8 AM to mitigate the noise for the villagers. They may try it first on even days only and if that doesn’t work they will reroute the toll road and I 75. I’ve been also told that due to airplanes flying over that the Orlando airport will also be closed accordingly.

Actually... The Turnpike shuts down almost daily due to accidents and backups on I75. And it's getting worse.

[Aces4]

Where did you hear that? They will never close the turnpike. Truck drivers need to supply food and gas, people work all hours.

You realize that was tongue in cheek?

[Papa_lecki]

Where did you hear that? They will never close the turnpike. Truck drivers need to supply food and gas, people work all hours.

Don’t worry, the plan allows deliveries to WInn Dixie and Publix and gas stations on Villages Commercial property

[VApeople]

Never saw the petition. Please advise.

We live near it.

So you live near the petition?

I tell you, the posts in this DG are getting kinda weird!

[mtdjed]

Look at Interstates around the country. Homes are built along all of them. Anybody old enough to buy in The Villages has had ample time to learn that traffic produces noise. If the first thing you looked at was home color schemes, then live with your selected colors. You likely got a discounted price because of where the home is. If you now find that you don't like it because of noise, then sell it. Make sure you tell any prospective buyer that you find that the reason you are selling is because of noise. I guess that is what you are complaining that The Villages failed to tell you.

Remember that the Turnpike is not new. Next will be complaints that somebody will have about hearing that there is a Prison in their back yard.

[Flyers999]

If one makes the purchase near the highway. Then now complain.
You didn’t do your due diligence before your purchase.
3 options
Live with it
Sell it
Or continue to complain

I believe you can't resell a new house for one year.

[retiredguy123]

I believe you can't resell a new house for one year.
You can sell the house in less than a year, but, any profit in excess of the cost of the house plus upgrades and the real estate commission must be paid to the developer.

[Kenswing]

I believe you can't resell a new house for one year.

You can sell at any time you want. What happens when you sell within the first year is you give the developer all profits above upgrades and expenses.

[fdpaq0580]

I’ve been told that the turnpike authority is planning on closing the turnpike from 10 PM to 8 AM to mitigate the noise for the villagers. They may try it first on even days only and if that doesn’t work they will reroute the toll road and I 75. I’ve been also told that due to airplanes flying over that the Orlando airport will also be closed accordingly.

Well! Its about time! 😣

[Lesdavenator]

I’m south of 44 and don’t have noise issues. I can’t afford to pay for buyers that didn’t do their due diligence.

[RobertScott]

When we still lived up north, and were looking to buy, I would often check in on TOTV. So for the benefit of others doing the same, we live in Citrus Grove, and the turnpike noise is no big deal, no buyer's remorse.

[mikeycereal]

If people like their location good for them but would never buy a lot or house without considering what we are getting ourselves into. Grew up a few miles from JFK airport with planes coming over every 90 or so seconds and taught us to look before we leap.

I recently moved here from Vegas and lived in apartments right next to the airport. We were so close that one time when I was walking into my kitchen the flight attendant told me to sit down.

:pepper2: :duck:

[Altavia]

Look at Interstates around the country. Homes are built along all of them. Anybody old enough to buy in The Villages has had ample time to learn that traffic produces noise. If the first thing you looked at was home color schemes, then live with your selected colors. You likely got a discounted price because of where the home is. If you now find that you don't like it because of noise, then sell it. Make sure you tell any prospective buyer that you find that the reason you are selling is because of noise. I guess that is what you are complaining that The Villages failed to tell you.

Remember that the Turnpike is not new. Next will be complaints that somebody will have about hearing that there is a Prison in their back yard.

Yep!

There are millions of homes in south Florida with the turnpike on one side and I95 the other that have no problem finding buyers.

[joelfmi]

Wisdom and Due Diligence when buying a home here are more precious than pearls. There is more to buying into a community than amenities.

[ThirdOfFive]

A little harsh, aren’t you?
The truth often hurts.

That post was right on the money.

[ThirdOfFive]

Where did you hear that? They will never close the turnpike. Truck drivers need to supply food and gas, people work all hours.
Lol!

Sometimes tongue-in-cheek doesn't come over too well when it is just lines of type on a screen.

[Bogie Shooter]

Where did you hear that? They will never close the turnpike. Truck drivers need to supply food and gas, people work all hours.

Duh!

[JSR22]

Where did you hear that? They will never close the turnpike. Truck drivers need to supply food and gas, people work all hours.

Sarcasm!

[Nucky]

The noise in De Luna and Richmond is like music to my ears. The proximity to The Scary Jail makes it feel even more like home.

Find something real to complain about. It’s a non issue, either subject! Plus who are you to poke fun at the place that another person decides to live? The people with the petition should try a slip and fall at a retail giant to score a couple of bucks. Maybe just maybe if these buyers had a local lawyer they may have tipped them off to the evil turnpike noise. Ooooooh!

[jercoppola]

True, buyer beware, but they might have better luck with a safety risk due to design.

The design didn't include extending the berm typically used to protect the homes the full length of that area.

There's a portion at the entrance to the Service Plaza with nothing but grass between the Turnpike and homes.

It's a matter of time before an accident sends a vehicle into someone's bedroom.

Seriously, I would doubt a vehicle could leave the Turnpike and drive into someone's home. I understand your concern with the noise created by the Turnpike but feel it was/is the developer's responsibility to build some sort of barrier to prevent as much noise as possible. I also feel it was the homeowner's responsibility to have realized where they where moving to
and the pros and cons of the location. The developer should do what they can to prevent as much noise as is possible if for no other reason but DOING THE RIGHT THING. The developer knew when the homes were built of the noise problem and should have addressed it at that time. Now the residents have to go hat in hand to the developer to correct the problem.

[jrref]

Besides noise you are breathing in all that pollution living close to the turnpike.

The bottom line is many don't care about the noise and pollution but you need to do your homework when buying a house.

[Papa_lecki]

Vegas sports book has set the over/under on this thread at 185….

Where are you putting your money?

[Keninches]

Is the turnpike brand new since the residents moved in?
No. Been there for years.

[Altavia]

Seriously, I would doubt a vehicle could leave the Turnpike and drive into someone's home.

...
.

All it takes is someone falling a sleep at the wheel.

Semi-truck crashes into house off I-90 (https://www.dakotanewsnow.com/2022/08/10/semi-truck-vs-house-crash-i-90/?outputType=amp)

8-month-old boy killed when tractor-trailer crashes into home off interstate in Wisconsin (https://www.live5news.com/2022/07/26/tractor-trailer-crashes-into-occupied-house-off-interstate-wisconsin/?outputType=amp)

[Altavia]

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[OrangeBlossomBaby]

The noise in De Luna and Richmond is like music to my ears. The proximity to The Scary Jail makes it feel even more like home.

Find something real to complain about. It’s a non issue, either subject! Plus who are you to poke fun at the place that another person decides to live? The people with the petition should try a slip and fall at a retail giant to score a couple of bucks. Maybe just maybe if these buyers had a local lawyer they may have tipped them off to the evil turnpike noise. Ooooooh!

My husband actually has a complaint about The Villages (he drank the kool-aid 10 years before we started looking for a house here). He complains that he misses the sound of the train.

Up north we didn't live next to the tracks but we could hear the trains in the distance, around 1/4 mile away. It was one of those "comforting" sounds.

[yankygrl]

My husband actually has a complaint about The Villages (he drank the kool-aid 10 years before we started looking for a house here). He complains that he misses the sound of the train.

Up north we didn't live next to the tracks but we could hear the trains in the distance, around 1/4 mile away. It was one of those "comforting" sounds.
I live in buttonwood and can hear train whistles from the tracks in Wildwood day and night as well as car traffic from Buena Vista and 466A.

[DonnaNi4os]

The turnpike was there long before the homes in the south end. It’s like buying a house near a railroad track and expecting them to cater to you because you realize that trains make noise.

[Aces4]

All it takes is someone falling a sleep at the wheel.

Semi-truck crashes into house off I-90 (https://www.dakotanewsnow.com/2022/08/10/semi-truck-vs-house-crash-i-90/?outputType=amp)

8-month-old boy killed when tractor-trailer crashes into home off interstate in Wisconsin (https://www.live5news.com/2022/07/26/tractor-trailer-crashes-into-occupied-house-off-interstate-wisconsin/?outputType=amp)

That could happen on any street, road or highway where there is traffic. One could choke eating puréed soup and die also but the odds are slim. The only answer in your eyes is to have a 500’ driveway. Have you heard that planes have crashed into homes in the middle of nowhere? What do we do about that, build cement bunkers underground for our homes?

[Altavia]

That could happen on any street, road or highway where there is traffic. One could choke eating puréed soup and die also but the odds are slim. The only answer in your eyes is to have a 500’ driveway. Have you heard that planes have crashed into homes in the middle of nowhere? What do we do about that, build cement bunkers underground for our homes?

Tell that to the family of the 8 mo old that died were first responders reported: "He said it was a “horrible, sad situation” and one of the worst scenes he’s been to in 30 years.

Most interstates have some form of protective barrier where there is risk to homes. Especially a high speed, high traffic zones like the Turnpike.

There are barriers protecting cars from trees in the same area, placed before Villages construction.

[Aces4]

Most interstates have some form of protective barrier where there is risk to homes.

There are barriers protecting trees in the same area...

Barriers don’t always work and they certainly don’t mitigate noise enough to remove the factor that people bought next door to a roaring, noisy beast.

I truly don’t understand the mindset of people buying homes next to an interstate and then having the nerve to complain about the noise.

[Altavia]

Barriers don’t always work and they certainly don’t mitigate noise enough to remove the factor that people bought next door to a roaring, noisy beast.

I truly don’t understand the mindset of people buying homes next to an interstate and then having the nerve to complain about the noise.

I don't disagree with your second point.

[ThirdOfFive]

The turnpike was there long before the homes in the south end. It’s like buying a house near a railroad track and expecting them to cater to you because you realize that trains make noise.
Some decades back, I told my wife that I'd pay extra for a home next to railroad tracks.

She looked at me sort of weirdly...

[mtdjed]

You can sell at any time you want. What happens when you sell within the first year is you give the developer all profits above upgrades and expenses.

That may be what it says but a good lawyer may be able to challenge that for many reasons. May even use the argument that any loss should be absorbed by the developer for failure to disclose. Never can tell what a court case will result in when it goes to trial. Just saying that if the developer is selling to a buyer, knowing that there is a noise issue that is pending and does not disclose to an absentee buyer, there may be sympathetic ears. Would the developer allow that to go to court?

[Bogie Shooter]

Vegas sports book has set the over/under on this thread at 185….

Where are you putting your money?

What is the line on the two round a bout threads, combined at 223 posts?:clap2:

[Papa_lecki]

That may be what it says but a good lawyer may be able to challenge that for many reasons. May even use the argument that any loss should be absorbed by the developer for failure to disclose. Never can tell what a court case will result in when it goes to trial. Just saying that if the developer is selling to a buyer, knowing that there is a noise issue that is pending and does not disclose to an absentee buyer, there may be sympathetic ears. Would the developer allow that to go to court?

What did the developer not disclose? The existence of the turnpike? There’s a cool new tool, called goolge maps.

[mtdjed]

What did the developer not disclose? The existence of the turnpike? There’s a cool new tool, called goolge maps.

Just presenting possible issues. If they sell to an offsite buyer and if there was a contentious open issue such as a "Noise petition", that could be used by a Lawyer as non disclosure.

Kind of like if you had a leaky basement and didn't disclose it and then the new buyer had water in basement soon after buying your home.

I agree with you that the buyer should know but just saying there might be defenses against the developer saying you cannot sell for a profit in the first year.

[keithwand]

Wow that is so cool!
Hope the attendant at the least got you a free drink.
Starting on a Monday the turnpike will be open every other day to provide respite.
Traffic is being rerouted to 27 until those residents complain of noise.

[Fastskiguy]

When we toured the south end house and the surrounding neighborhood- in person, more than once, we could not hear the turnpike noise, or least it was not noticeable at all.
At night however, when the village quiets down, air temp is cooler, its readily heard, even inside the house!
So, it absolutely depends on WHEN you are outside/viewed the house, if a buyer even had the chance to do so in-person, as we did.

I can also attest that certain blocks of homes within the very same village, one can not hear the turnpike at all, (same with music from Sawgrass) while the next block over, even on a block of homes that is further away from source, it was impossible to miss. Sound can do weird things.


Totally with you on this, sometimes in Linden we can't hear it at all, other times it's pretty loud. It didn't ever seem that loud when we visited the site before any of the homes were built. I'm not complaining and we love our home and location but sometimes it's a bit noisy.

Joe

[coffeebean]

Where did you hear that? They will never close the turnpike. Truck drivers need to supply food and gas, people work all hours.
That post was pure snark. You didn't realize that?

[Aces4]

That post was pure snark. You didn't realize that?

Probably the same way you didn’t realize that post was addressed early.:mornincoffee:

[coffeebean]

Probably the same way you didn’t realize that post was addressed early.:mornincoffee:

I'm just catching up on this thread and had to read several pages. Those responses you are referring to came after I responded.

[Gatorgreen]

For most likely the biggest purchase ever made, how do people not look and listen before signing on the dotted line?

Good luck getting something done now.

A lot of homeowners are purchasing their new TV home sight unseen.

[MrChip72]

I truly don’t understand the mindset of people buying homes next to an interstate and then having the nerve to complain about the noise.

Some people become biased in their decisions and fail to take into account the weight of the negatives of a particular area.

As someone that lives in DeLuna, I'm confident that over 80% of DeLuna doesn't experience excessive turnpike noise. I can hear a dull hum from my lanai which is like background noise, but it's nothing like golf cart noise when you're backing onto Morse or Buena Vista for around 16 hours per day.

For the remaining 20% of DeLuna, those are almost exclusively smaller courtyard villas with a miniscule backyard. Clearly these were aimed at people that wanted a more affordable option at the sacrifice of space and some irritating turnpike noise.

[Stu from NYC]

A lot of homeowners are purchasing their new TV home sight unseen.

I know, just scratch my head in bewilderment over this.

[Challenger]

My readings on this site over the past 12 years leave me in awe of how ignorant and naive people who have lived on earth for at 55 years can be so ignorant.

I have seen the same syndrome in new developments build near existing airports.

[Altavia]

Some people become biased in their decisions and fail to take into account the weight of the negatives of a particular area.

As someone that lives in DeLuna, I'm confident that over 80% of DeLuna doesn't experience excessive turnpike noise. I can hear a dull hum from my lanai which is like background noise, but it's nothing like golf cart noise when you're backing onto Morse or Buena Vista for around 16 hours per day.

For the remaining 20% of DeLuna, those are almost exclusively smaller courtyard villas with a miniscule backyard. Clearly these were aimed at people that wanted a more affordable option at the sacrifice of space and some irritating turnpike noise.

Depends on what floats your boat.

Many can just ten off their hearing aids.

I'd take Turnpike noise over kissing Lanais any day.