What happened at Walmart neighborhood sore

[Babubhat]

Eggs, bread, banana prices all up 33 percent plus over last week. So much for inflation decreasing . Are they not matching Aldi prices anymore? Ridiculous

[Garywt]

Eggs are increasing all over so you can’t count those. Never knew they tried to match Aldi. Does Aldi even sell those products?

[Babubhat]

Eggs are increasing all over so you can’t count those. Never knew they tried to match Aldi. Does Aldi even sell those products?

Walmart grocery prices higher on those products at 466 store. 466a store has been matching Aldi prices at Trailwinds. Publix egg prices dollars more than Walmart.

[rustyp]

Scab labor rebellion ?

[MSchad]

Heard on the news that Florida leads the nation on price of eggs.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

The "Handsome" brand eggs were the same $5.88 yesterday as they've been for most of the past year.

Factory farm eggs are high because of the avian flu that affects mostly birds that are forced to live in insanely close proximity to each other (tens of thousands in a single farm roost building). Eggs from hens that are raised on small farms, who roam freely within a fox-safe but open enclosure, and a spacious, airy shelter where they can sleep at night and lay their eggs in the morning, are not exposed as frequently to the avian flu as factory farm hens. So their price, while higher on average when the factory farm hens are healthy, don't fluctuate as much.

[Hacker1]

Eggs, bread, banana prices all up 33 percent plus over last week. So much for inflation decreasing . Are they not matching Aldi prices anymore? Ridiculous
I noticed that bananas were way up today -- .58/lb. Last week we happened to be in Mt. Dora, bananas there were .25.

[Hacker1]

Bananas .25/lb last week at Mt. Dora Walmart.

[Caymus]

...a cheaper source of eggs.

Egg smuggling up 108% at US-Mexico border as prices soar (https://nypost.com/2023/01/19/egg-smuggling-up-108-at-us-mexico-border-as-prices-soar/)

[DARFAP]

Are these the eggs that cause blood clots?

[mtdjed]

What happened at Walmart neighborhood store?
QUOTE=Babubhat;2180108]Eggs, bread, banana prices all up 33 percent plus over last week. So much for inflation decreasing . Are they not matching Aldi prices anymore? Ridiculous[/QUOTE]

Likely, nothing happened at the Walmart store other than marking up their input cost to yield their planned level of profit amid consistent competitors.

Article in the Daily Sun today discusses reasons for egg price increases. Bird Flu, packaging, feed and likely some supply chain price gouging.

Bird Flus have been around for years and have not been an extended cause of continuing price increases. No farm is going to produce eggs in small quantity without recovering cost and making a profit. Same with all involved in the supply chain. Is it possible that once they find that they can make the same profit for far less work, that there are forces in place to keep that scheme going? You see that in products such as sodas by Coke, Pepsi and others.

Not really caused by too many hens in the henhouse, but rather, too many pigs at the pig trough. Once they get us used to the higher prices, there is not a high incentive to return to the lower price unless there is healthy competition.

[Two Bills]

You have obviously never been in farming.
Producers have never been in control of prices.
Markets and buyers have always controlled the price of meat, eggs etc.
If true costs of production were paid by the market, what is deemed high prices now, would be the norm.
The big boys like their animal farmers like their meat, lean, and with little fat!
I've been there, done that, and got all the T shirts!

[RICH1]

Did you hear , The news Reported Wal Mart is Paying 17.50 an hour to their workers …. Last year 2022 & back to 2021 all the bleeding hearts wanted the minimum wage to increase… Now it’s here, who did they think would pay for it?

[Cobullymom]

This whole thread response is beyond bizarre...Really makes you wonder. The OP is correct that prices are much higher yet claims are that inflation is going down. Eggs are exceptionally high, and yes there is other issues with them. But we can surmize what the real issues are driving costs up in general. Fuel costs, labor costs, labor shortages have all contributed...2 more years.

[Captainpd]

Wow. Only 33%. Buy all you can. Eggs nation wide are up almost 100%. The BS about the bird flu is BS. 60 million bids were killed. 40 million of those were egg laying. They were 320 million total chickens. So less than 15% reduction in egg laying birds. . Nothing but price gouging.

[msilagy]

Aldi matches Walmart generally, not the other way around. Publix, the villagers dream store, is generally high priced except for most BOGO items. And the comment from the poster about Aldi's carrying the basics you must sleep in Publix's parking lot! LOL

[bowlingal]

Save A Lot!!!! Grocery store in Wildwood

[maistocars]

I'm not sure I know of anything that Walmart sells that Aldi does as well? In any case, I am getting a gallon of milk at the Walmart Neighborhood store for $2.86! I haven't seen a gallon of milk under $3.00 in a few years. Heck, Sam's club is selling it for $3.60.

[airstreamingypsy]

Did you hear , The news Reported Wal Mart is Paying 17.50 an hour to their workers …. Last year 2022 & back to 2021 all the bleeding hearts wanted the minimum wage to increase… Now it’s here, who did they think would pay for it?

"Bleeding hearts" You mean people who think others should be paid a living wage? If we are bleeding hearts, what do you call people who think it's okay that people need two or three jobs to stay afloat?

[golfing eagles]

"Bleeding hearts" You mean people who think others should be paid a living wage? If we are bleeding hearts, what do you call people who think it's okay that people need two or three jobs to stay afloat?

So, in your opinion, how much should an unskilled high school dropout, an ILLEGAL alien, or a 17 year old kid looking for his first job be paid?????

[chrissy2231]

Eggs, bread, banana prices all up 33 percent plus over last week. So much for inflation decreasing . Are they not matching Aldi prices anymore? Ridiculous
PLUS - it's so dumpy & crowded. I go across the street to Publix where every cashier has a ******.

[westernrider75]

I'm not sure I know of anything that Walmart sells that Aldi does as well? In any case, I am getting a gallon of milk at the Walmart Neighborhood store for $2.86! I haven't seen a gallon of milk under $3.00 in a few years. Heck, Sam's club is selling it for $3.60.

I don’t understand your comment…..Aldi’s and Walmart both sell groceries which is what this post is about!

[Sandy and Ed]

"Bleeding hearts" You mean people who think others should be paid a living wage? If we are bleeding hearts, what do you call people who think it's okay that people need two or three jobs to stay afloat?
Believe the point was that every cost added to producing or supplying a product needs to be offset by an increase in price if the profit is to be maintained. I only hope that the increase is an absolute dollar amount and not a percentage (e.g., 25% increase in cost of goods sold should not mean a 25% increase in profit). If you are making $5 on a sale before you should be allowed to make $5 now but not $6.25!!!

[golfing eagles]

Believe the point was that every cost added to producing or supplying a product needs to be offset by an increase in price if the profit is to be maintained. I only hope that the increase is an absolute dollar amount and not a percentage (e.g., 25% increase in cost of goods sold should not mean a 25% increase in profit). If you are making $5 on a sale before you should be allowed to make $5 now but not $6.25!!!

Is that because profit, which is in turn spent on reinvestment in the business, salary raises or dividends is not subject to inflation?????? Ever run a business?????

[rogerrice60]

So, in your opinion, how much should an unskilled high school dropout, an ILLEGAL alien, or a 17 year old kid looking for his first job be paid?????


$7:50 / hr

[Whitley]

Eggs are increasing all over so you can’t count those. Never knew they tried to match Aldi. Does Aldi even sell those products?

Aldis has those items, yes. Aldis is great but they do not carry everything. I go to aldi's first then Publix right after to get those items Aldis did not have.

[RiderOnTheStorm]

Eggs, bread, banana prices all up 33 percent plus over last week. So much for inflation decreasing . Are they not matching Aldi prices anymore? Ridiculous

Ever notice how prices go up instantly but take months, if ever, to drop? Merchants are clearly incentivized to take advantage of the higher margins caused by dropping costs (i.e. lower inflation). Classic example; gas prices. Something happens in the Middle East and pump prices go up over night, even though the new oil takes 3 months to be shipped, refined and delivered to market.

[golfing eagles]

Ever notice how prices go up instantly but take months, if ever, to drop? Merchants are clearly incentivized to take advantage of the higher margins caused by dropping costs (i.e. lower inflation). Classic example; gas prices. Something happens in the Middle East and pump prices go up over night, even though the new oil takes 3 months to be shipped, refined and delivered to market.

Replacement cost, commodities futures and distribution cost all factors in.

[Daddymac]

Eggs, bread, banana prices all up 33 percent plus over last week. So much for inflation decreasing . Are they not matching Aldi prices anymore? Ridiculous

Here is your minimum $15,OO dollars per hour push!! :0000000000luvmyhors
Now they want $22,00 So load up on Eggs before they are $8,00 a Dozen.:icon_hungry:... PLUS INFLATION IS STILL OVER 5%. :pray:

[quietpine]

Here is a possible cause for higher prices. The stimulus and its after effects. Those trillions of dollars must be accounted for in the economic cycle and its payback time. Like the people and sectors that benefitted from the stimulus payback may not be fairly spread, or you might say, when elephants dance the price of eggs goes up.

[golfing eagles]

Here is a possible cause for higher prices. The stimulus and its after effects. Those trillions of dollars must be accounted for in the economic cycle and its payback time. Like the people and sectors that benefitted from the stimulus payback may not be fairly spread, or you might say, when elephants dance the price of eggs goes up.

That's pretty much what those posters in #14 and #25 were alluding to. Spend 7-9 trillion dollars on "fighting" COVID and global warming and you shall reap what you sow. :cus:

[ron32162]

I just don't understand why eggs, gas and Everything else has increased in price over the last two years its like it is on purpose hummmm.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

I noticed that bananas were way up today -- .58/lb. Last week we happened to be in Mt. Dora, bananas there were .25.

According to their website, they're 25c each if you buy them individually. If you buy by the lb they're 53c per lb.

That's at the Walmart at The Villages on 441.

[jimjamuser]

The "Handsome" brand eggs were the same $5.88 yesterday as they've been for most of the past year.

Factory farm eggs are high because of the avian flu that affects mostly birds that are forced to live in insanely close proximity to each other (tens of thousands in a single farm roost building). Eggs from hens that are raised on small farms, who roam freely within a fox-safe but open enclosure, and a spacious, airy shelter where they can sleep at night and lay their eggs in the morning, are not exposed as frequently to the avian flu as factory farm hens. So their price, while higher on average when the factory farm hens are healthy, don't fluctuate as much.
Factory chickens (and turkeys) raised for slaughter are placed in small areas that they can't move in. So, they get sick and to stop that they are all fed too much antibiotics, which goes up the chain to humans. Not sure, but I suspect that the factory (Not free ranging) egg layers are also constrained and given antibiotics.
.....Some cities like Portland, Or. allow free-ranging chickens in the city limits. Fringe benefit, they consume massive quantities of insects like most birds. Incidentally, pet cats kill many, many more birds than MOST PEOPLE realize. There were some studies about that, so kitty .....bad, bad for the environment.

[Bogie Shooter]

Factory chickens (and turkeys) raised for slaughter are placed in small areas that they can't move in. So, they get sick and to stop that they are all fed too much antibiotics, which goes up the chain to humans. Not sure, but I suspect that the factory (Not free ranging) egg layers are also constrained and given antibiotics.
.....Some cities like Portland, Or. allow free-ranging chickens in the city limits. Fringe benefit, they consume massive quantities of insects like most birds. Incidentally, pet cats kill many, many more birds than MOST PEOPLE realize. There were some studies about that, so kitty .....bad, bad for the environment.

You mean feral cats not pet cats, right?

[jimjamuser]

I just don't understand why eggs, gas and Everything else has increased in price over the last two years its like it is on purpose hummmm.
Oil prices went up due to Russia attacking the Ukraine. So shipping costs went up and the fed had to raise interest rates to prevent runaway inflation. Also, the Chinese mishandling of their Covid vaccine led to China producing less and shipping less important products like for the US automobile industry.

[jimjamuser]

Did you hear , The news Reported Wal Mart is Paying 17.50 an hour to their workers …. Last year 2022 & back to 2021 all the bleeding hearts wanted the minimum wage to increase… Now it’s here, who did they think would pay for it?
Other 1st would countries manage to pay their workers proportionally more than the US does. Maybe compare CEO salaries from those countries to US CEOs to see the REAL PROBLEM.

[jimjamuser]

"Bleeding hearts" You mean people who think others should be paid a living wage? If we are bleeding hearts, what do you call people who think it's okay that people need two or three jobs to stay afloat?
CEOs are the problem.

[jimjamuser]

So, in your opinion, how much should an unskilled high school dropout, an ILLEGAL alien, or a 17 year old kid looking for his first job be paid?????
Well, the illegals should not be here.....at least we agree on one (uno) thing. Not likely to agree on WHY US workers are and were so underpaid. One theory is that way back like 1940 or 1950 the rich 1% (that wanted to stifle UNIONS and therefore keep worker pay low -- decided to stop white workers and black workers from liking each other and aligning their mutual needs through mutual union representation -- the 1% adopted a divide and conquer strategy. They encouraged blacks and whites to have some animosity between themselves. This allowed the 1% to resist UNIONS and therefore keep wages low.
.........Apparently today this strategy has worked and still works. Black and white workers should be united and true brothers, but that is NOT the way it is. Black and white workers have been twisted apart and the institution of the Police has been used to keep up the division. Today Florida is out to ruin the teachers' unions.
........In Germany workers and management tend to COOPERATE with each other more than in the US. If this were done more (cooperating) we would NOT BE trying to worry about if US workers are paid too much . Or what is the cause of high prices? And is Walmart eggs cheaper than BJs or visa-versa? That would be "small potatoes" compared to the "Big Picture" US economic problems.

[JMintzer]

Oil prices went up due to Russia attacking the Ukraine. So shipping costs went up and the fed had to raise interest rates to prevent runaway inflation. Also, the Chinese mishandling of their Covid vaccine led to China producing less and shipping less important products like for the US automobile industry.

Oil prices went up well before Russia invaded Ukraine...

Inflation was caused by massive spending, and not controlled by rate raises...

[JMintzer]

Other 1st would countries manage to pay their workers proportionally more than the US does. Maybe compare CEO salaries from those countries to US CEOs to see the REAL PROBLEM.

You could pay CEOs NOTHING and it wouldn't make a dent in workers wages...

[JMintzer]

CEOs are the problem.

:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[JMintzer]

Well, the illegals should not be here.....at least we agree on one (uno) thing. Not likely to agree on WHY US workers are and were so underpaid. One theory is that way back like 1940 or 1950 the rich 1% (that wanted to stifle UNIONS and therefore keep worker pay low -- decided to stop white workers and black workers from liking each other and aligning their mutual needs through mutual union representation -- the 1% adopted a divide and conquer strategy. They encouraged blacks and whites to have some animosity between themselves. This allowed the 1% to resist UNIONS and therefore keep wages low.
.........Apparently today this strategy has worked and still works. Black and white workers should be united and true brothers, but that is NOT the way it is. Black and white workers have been twisted apart and the institution of the Police has been used to keep up the division. Today Florida is out to ruin the teachers' unions.
........In Germany workers and management tend to COOPERATE with each other more than in the US. If this were done more (cooperating) we would NOT BE trying to worry about if US workers are paid too much . Or what is the cause of high prices? And is Walmart eggs cheaper than BJs or visa-versa? That would be "small potatoes" compared to the "Big Picture" US economic problems.

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[Caymus]

Factory chickens (and turkeys) raised for slaughter are placed in small areas that they can't move in. So, they get sick and to stop that they are all fed too much antibiotics, which goes up the chain to humans. Not sure, but I suspect that the factory (Not free ranging) egg layers are also constrained and given antibiotics.
.....Some cities like Portland, Or. allow free-ranging chickens in the city limits. Fringe benefit, they consume massive quantities of insects like most birds. Incidentally, pet cats kill many, many more birds than MOST PEOPLE realize. There were some studies about that, so kitty .....bad, bad for the environment.

Cities like Portland also allow residents to defecate on city streets.

[Sabella]

We all know who’s fault this is- but we’re not allowed to say.

[Two Bills]

We all know who’s fault this is- but we’re not allowed to say.

Orange or Lemon?

[Sabella]

What?

[Sabella]

[QUOTE=Sabella;2180545

What? Sage LOL

[jackandbeth]

Eggs are up everywhere because egg framers lost over 43 million egg laying hens due to the avian flu.

[Causey]

Ten percent for the big guy?

[JGibson]

We’re not allowed to talk about the root cause.

We’re only allowed to blame Walmart.

[DPWM21]

If it is one person’s fault in US…why is every country experiencing same inflation? Does that person cause it over there too? Or does a different person cause it in each country? I traveled to separate continents in 2022 and there is inflation on at least three continents. I am seriously asking as I do not understand and am willing to learn. Thank you.

[golfing eagles]

If it is one person’s fault in US…why is every country experiencing same inflation? Does that person cause it over there too? Or does a different person cause it in each country? I traveled to separate continents in 2022 and there is inflation on at least three continents. I am seriously asking as I do not understand and am willing to learn. Thank you.

I don't know for sure either, but is it possible the largest economy in the world could have a ripple effect across the globe????? After all, the US spent over $7 trillion on COVID alone, which is more than 7% of the combined GDP of the world. Would seem to be inflationary, not to mention all the unmentionable garbage we spend $$$ on.

[Jazzman]

Ever notice how prices go up instantly but take months, if ever, to drop? Merchants are clearly incentivized to take advantage of the higher margins caused by dropping costs (i.e. lower inflation). Classic example; gas prices. Something happens in the Middle East and pump prices go up over night, even though the new oil takes 3 months to be shipped, refined and delivered to market.

Oil pricing is determined by the futures market. Because the price of a barrel drops today doesn’t mean the price at the pump will go down the very same day.

[Jazzman]

We’re not allowed to talk about the root cause.

We’re only allowed to blame Walmart.

The store most people like to hate, but the parking lots are always full 😎

[Jazzman]

Other 1st would countries manage to pay their workers proportionally more than the US does. Maybe compare CEO salaries from those countries to US CEOs to see the REAL PROBLEM.

And the consumers in those countries pay higher costs for goods and services, not to mention the higher sales tax in most countries in the EU for example.

[Janie123]

$7:50 / hr
Whatever the market bears… so $7.50 or so today at a food stand, learn something about the business and get a raise as you prove yourself of change jobs in 6 months with new skill set and make $15+ at overpriced coffee shop, learn more about business and economics, maybe in a year, move to Publix and make $50k or more as asst manager, learn some more, get a 2 year degree in finance or business and get a manager position at say Bucce’s making $100k a year, etc…

[melpetezrinski]

We all know who’s fault this is- but we’re not allowed to say.

EXACTLY! I know I have stocked up on food and maintain a 6 month supply of canned goods ever since January 6th. I guess if enough people take these precautions, it will drive up food costs.

[TrapX]

Oil prices went up due to Russia attacking the Ukraine. So shipping costs went up and the fed had to raise interest rates to prevent runaway inflation. Also, the Chinese mishandling of their Covid vaccine led to China producing less and shipping less important products like for the US automobile industry.

Oil prices went up when Biden took office. Well before Russia. Biden terminated land leases used for oil and natural gas wells. That reduced the supply. Caused the supply/demand to shift the US into a net oil importer. Now other countries can dictate the price, and it went way up.
Then getting land leases were restricted. So as old wells dry up, no new ones are happening. Lowering supply more. Leases were partially allowed to happen, but on the worst land possible, and no guarantees they won't be revoked again. What CEO would risk trillions of dollars constructing new wells?
Reducing natural gas supply, which powers electricity generation, forces generators to shut off. Oil powered generation is forced online to make up for that. And to generate power to charge all these green electric cars.
Increased oil demand caused gasoline prices to go way up. That raises the cost to transport everything. Manufacturers and farmers pay more to get raw materials. There is a higher cost to get those goods to stores. Costs for equipment needed to manufacture, store, transport, warehouse, display, and sell all go up.
Biden's "green" actions caused a huge portion of this inflation.
And you pay for all of it,

[rustyp]

Oil prices went up when Biden took office. Well before Russia. Biden terminated land leases used for oil and natural gas wells. That reduced the supply. Caused the supply/demand to shift the US into a net oil importer. Now other countries can dictate the price, and it went way up.
Then getting land leases were restricted. So as old wells dry up, no new ones are happening. Lowering supply more. Leases were partially allowed to happen, but on the worst land possible, and no guarantees they won't be revoked again. What CEO would risk trillions of dollars constructing new wells?
Reducing natural gas supply, which powers electricity generation, forces generators to shut off. Oil powered generation is forced online to make up for that. And to generate power to charge all these green electric cars.
Increased oil demand caused gasoline prices to go way up. That raises the cost to transport everything. Manufacturers and farmers pay more to get raw materials. There is a higher cost to get those goods to stores. Costs for equipment needed to manufacture, store, transport, warehouse, display, and sell all go up.
Biden's "green" actions caused a huge portion of this inflation.
And you pay for all of it,

See you after time out

[mtdjed]

Well, the illegals should not be here.....at least we agree on one (uno) thing. Not likely to agree on WHY US workers are and were so underpaid. One theory is that way back like 1940 or 1950 the rich 1% (that wanted to stifle UNIONS and therefore keep worker pay low -- decided to stop white workers and black workers from liking each other and aligning their mutual needs through mutual union representation -- the 1% adopted a divide and conquer strategy. They encouraged blacks and whites to have some animosity between themselves. This allowed the 1% to resist UNIONS and therefore keep wages low.
.........Apparently today this strategy has worked and still works. Black and white workers should be united and true brothers, but that is NOT the way it is. Black and white workers have been twisted apart and the institution of the Police has been used to keep up the division. Today Florida is out to ruin the teachers' unions.
........In Germany workers and management tend to COOPERATE with each other more than in the US. If this were done more (cooperating) we would NOT BE trying to worry about if US workers are paid too much . Or what is the cause of high prices? And is Walmart eggs cheaper than BJs or visa-versa? That would be "small potatoes" compared to the "Big Picture" US economic problems.

Well, that is certainly one opinion of why the price of eggs and bananas has risen in the Walmart Neighborhood Store. Not to mention global warming.

[Byte1]

Other 1st would countries manage to pay their workers proportionally more than the US does. Maybe compare CEO salaries from those countries to US CEOs to see the REAL PROBLEM.

Obviously, "some" have not lived in other countries or "they" would know that educated professionals in many countries do not make anywhere near what they would make in this country. Lawyers working as security guards at American installations overseas. Doctors working as receptionists, teachers working as maids, etc. Of course, when someone suggests that "1st world" countries pay more "proportionally" then that is also debatable. I've seen how middle class earners live in other countries, including those that I suppose are considered 1st World countries in Europe. It seems that SOME folks are always looking at the grass on the other side of the fence and attempting to make comparisons with what we have here. Out of all the countries I have lived in or visited in my lifetime, I did not see one that I would consider living in permanently. I did see one that might have been decent, had it not had a corrupt and dangerous government, and the criminal element was not so prominent. Just remember that if other countries subsidize transportation, health care, etc. the money has to come from somewhere. Most any country that "GIVES" the most freebies, have the highest tax rates. Our low income and even poverty level folks live a lifestyle equal to many other country middle class earners.

[JMintzer]

Obviously, "some" have not lived in other countries or "they" would know that educated professionals in many countries do not make anywhere near what they would make in this country. Lawyers working as security guards at American installations overseas. Doctors working as receptionists, teachers working as maids, etc. Of course, when someone suggests that "1st world" countries pay more "proportionally" then that is also debatable. I've seen how middle class earners live in other countries, including those that I suppose are considered 1st World countries in Europe. It seems that SOME folks are always looking at the grass on the other side of the fence and attempting to make comparisons with what we have here. Out of all the countries I have lived in or visited in my lifetime, I did not see one that I would consider living in permanently. I did see one that might have been decent, had it not had a corrupt and dangerous government, and the criminal element was not so prominent. Just remember that if other countries subsidize transportation, health care, etc. the money has to come from somewhere. Most any country that "GIVES" the most freebies, have the highest tax rates. Our low income and even poverty level folks live a lifestyle equal to many other country middle class earners.

Correct...

[New Englander]

Eggs are increasing all over so you can’t count those. Never knew they tried to match Aldi. Does Aldi even sell those products?

Yes

[New Englander]

Oil prices went up due to Russia attacking the Ukraine. So shipping costs went up and the fed had to raise interest rates to prevent runaway inflation. Also, the Chinese mishandling of their Covid vaccine led to China producing less and shipping less important products like for the US automobile industry.

Did raising the interest rates control runaway inflation.?

[Dusty_Star]

"Bleeding hearts" You mean people who think others should be paid a living wage? If we are bleeding hearts, what do you call people who think it's okay that people need two or three jobs to stay afloat?

Some low skilled jobs do not pay a living wage. These are jobs for people to get experience in the working world. ie: show up on time, every day, do what the boss directs, wear a silly smock, what ever. These are not skills taught in schools & rarely taught at home. But they are critical for many to succeed in higher skilled jobs.

[Dusty_Star]

Ever notice how prices go up instantly but take months, if ever, to drop? Merchants are clearly incentivized to take advantage of the higher margins caused by dropping costs (i.e. lower inflation). Classic example; gas prices. Something happens in the Middle East and pump prices go up over night, even though the new oil takes 3 months to be shipped, refined and delivered to market.

Well known, economist's call it stickiness. Prices rise quickly, but very sticky to come down (if ever). Good reason to avoid printing money to increase the supply.

[rustyp]

Did raising the interest rates control runaway inflation.?

Unequivocally it will if it is raised high enough. For every action there is an opposite and equal reaction.

[Aces4]

Did raising the interest rates control runaway inflation.?

Raised too little way too late. Free money for loans was ridiculous but that’s what happens when you try to force money into the stock market to prop it up and print money constantly.

[jimjamuser]

Obviously, "some" have not lived in other countries or "they" would know that educated professionals in many countries do not make anywhere near what they would make in this country. Lawyers working as security guards at American installations overseas. Doctors working as receptionists, teachers working as maids, etc. Of course, when someone suggests that "1st world" countries pay more "proportionally" then that is also debatable. I've seen how middle class earners live in other countries, including those that I suppose are considered 1st World countries in Europe. It seems that SOME folks are always looking at the grass on the other side of the fence and attempting to make comparisons with what we have here. Out of all the countries I have lived in or visited in my lifetime, I did not see one that I would consider living in permanently. I did see one that might have been decent, had it not had a corrupt and dangerous government, and the criminal element was not so prominent. Just remember that if other countries subsidize transportation, health care, etc. the money has to come from somewhere. Most any country that "GIVES" the most freebies, have the highest tax rates. Our low income and even poverty level folks live a lifestyle equal to many other country middle class earners.
The US was the ONLY main country that exited WW2 without having its industry decimated - look at Europe and Japan then. Both Japan and Europe have done a remarkable job of getting back on par with the US. I was NOT comparing countries today and I certainly think that the US has a world lead in Silicon Valley software production.
.....What I was talking about is INCOME disparity in the US, which has more of that than Finland, Sweden,
Germany, New Zealand, Japan, and etc, etc. It is a KNOWN FACT that the discrepancy (wages difference) between the US is like 100 to 150 times greater for US CEOs than the average line workers. In JAPAN the discrepancy is about 10 times. And it is similar in Europe and other far east countries. The US has the most dicrepency. it was NOT that way in 1950 or 1960. The US rich have gotten richer and greedier than in other counties. That is part of the reason why costs are rising so much in the US. And the OIL and GAS industry and others are partly responsible because of US pay discrepancies. Tax % and brackets are BIG factor. All these factors are playing into current US Inflation, potential recession, and potential problems for Seniors on fixed incomes.

[JMintzer]

The US was the ONLY main country that exited WW2 without having its industry decimated - look at Europe and Japan then. Both Japan and Europe have done a remarkable job of getting back on par with the US. I was NOT comparing countries today and I certainly think that the US has a world lead in Silicon Valley software production.
.....What I was talking about is INCOME disparity in the US, which has more of that than Finland, Sweden,
Germany, New Zealand, Japan, and etc, etc. It is a KNOWN FACT that the discrepancy (wages difference) between the US is like 100 to 150 times greater for US CEOs than the average line workers. In JAPAN the discrepancy is about 10 times. And it is similar in Europe and other far east countries. The US has the most dicrepency. it was NOT that way in 1950 or 1960. The US rich have gotten richer and greedier than in other counties. That is part of the reason why costs are rising so much in the US. And the OIL and GAS industry and others are partly responsible because of US pay discrepancies. Tax % and brackets are BIG factor. All these factors are playing into current US Inflation, potential recession, and potential problems for Seniors on fixed incomes.

"Both Japan and Europe have done a remarkable job of getting back on par with the US."

Who do you think helped pay for all of that???


"CEOs"... The new "coral"...

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Whatever the market bears… so $7.50 or so today at a food stand, learn something about the business and get a raise as you prove yourself of change jobs in 6 months with new skill set and make $15+ at overpriced coffee shop, learn more about business and economics, maybe in a year, move to Publix and make $50k or more as asst manager, learn some more, get a 2 year degree in finance or business and get a manager position at say Bucce’s making $100k a year, etc…

Which is why there's so much turnover at low-paying jobs. No one is willing to stick around in them. Employers refuse to pay more for what amounts to "temporary help" and the help won't stay without better pay.

If you are at Publix you have to be willing to change locations to anywhere within the district. So that $50k/year doesn't really make up for the fact that you have to drive an hour each way, you get no breaks, and if the next shift's boss can't make it, you're stuck there pulling a double - even if it's your kid's birthday and you promised to be home to make supper. Basically your $50/year job has to be your life. You don't get to say no.

The only thing you learn about business and economics working at a diner is that some people overtip, and some people don't tip at all, and some people walk out without paying, you get pinched, abused, called "hey you," yelled at because your customer's steak was a shade too pink on the inside, threatened, pushed and kicked by little kids, tripped by "comfort animals," and if you don't smile and bend over and take it however the boss and your customers feel like dishing it out, you can business and economy yourself into a different job.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Oil prices went up when Biden took office. Well before Russia. Biden terminated land leases used for oil and natural gas wells. That reduced the supply. Caused the supply/demand to shift the US into a net oil importer. Now other countries can dictate the price, and it went way up.
Then getting land leases were restricted. So as old wells dry up, no new ones are happening. Lowering supply more. Leases were partially allowed to happen, but on the worst land possible, and no guarantees they won't be revoked again. What CEO would risk trillions of dollars constructing new wells?
Reducing natural gas supply, which powers electricity generation, forces generators to shut off. Oil powered generation is forced online to make up for that. And to generate power to charge all these green electric cars.
Increased oil demand caused gasoline prices to go way up. That raises the cost to transport everything. Manufacturers and farmers pay more to get raw materials. There is a higher cost to get those goods to stores. Costs for equipment needed to manufacture, store, transport, warehouse, display, and sell all go up.
Biden's "green" actions caused a huge portion of this inflation.
And you pay for all of it,

There were land leases that hadn't been drilled in yet - producing no oil at all. Other drilled land was carrying oil for export, not domestic use. Prices of oil went up because the oil companies chose to raise them. The president of the united states doesn't dictate the price of crude oil or refined oil, and the us government doesn't subsidize crude or refined oil prices. The former president wasn't responsible for lowering the prices, and the current president isn't responsible for raising them. He is ALSO not responsible for them having gone back down to pre-2020 prices in the last month, either.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

So, in your opinion, how much should an unskilled high school dropout, an ILLEGAL alien, or a 17 year old kid looking for his first job be paid?????

Which unskilled high school dropouts, illegal aliens, and 17-year-old kids looking for their first job, are working at Walmart? I haven't checked credentials but all the employees I see there appear to be well over 18. No idea what their education is, because it's none of my business. As long as they know how to do their jobs, I frankly don't give a flying fart where they're from or how many jobs they've had or what their education is.

If they do their job, they should be paid a living wage. If they don't do their job they should be fired.

[golfing eagles]

Which unskilled high school dropouts, illegal aliens, and 17-year-old kids looking for their first job, are working at Walmart? I haven't checked credentials but all the employees I see there appear to be well over 18. No idea what their education is, because it's none of my business. As long as they know how to do their jobs, I frankly don't give a flying fart where they're from or how many jobs they've had or what their education is.

If they do their job, they should be paid a living wage. If they don't do their job they should be fired.

Define "a living wage". Is it the same for a 17-year old's first job as it is for a 35-year-old father of 4??? If not, then should the pay scale be the same for both??? Does experience count??? Should the stock boy get paid the same as the CEO????

Of course there is, and needs to be, a stratification of wages based on responsibilities of the job, and the prerequisite education and experience. But by raising the minimum wage to $15-22/hour, it pushes first time job seekers out of the market. Perhaps that is why you observe all the Walmart workers to be "well over 18"----we have seniors flipping burgers at McDonald's because some are getting paid more than they ever earned in their working life.

[JMintzer]

There were land leases that hadn't been drilled in yet - producing no oil at all. Other drilled land was carrying oil for export, not domestic use. Prices of oil went up because the oil companies chose to raise them. The president of the united states doesn't dictate the price of crude oil or refined oil, and the us government doesn't subsidize crude or refined oil prices. The former president wasn't responsible for lowering the prices, and the current president isn't responsible for raising them. He is ALSO not responsible for them having gone back down to pre-2020 prices in the last month, either.

Then why are they taking credit for the recent (albeit temporary) drop in prices?

[CoachKandSportsguy]

but what about the price of eggs at Walmart again?

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

but what about the price of eggs at Walmart again?

Handsome brand eggs are currently out of stock at the local Walmarts. That's my usual brand. But the Happy Egg brand are still in stock. They're a bit more expensive, at $6.32/dozen. Handsome are only $5.88/dozen. Happy Eggs have gone up around 80 cents over the last year, they're premium organic brown eggs from pasture-raised hens.

Vital Farms is also still available, those are $6.42/dozen. Also a premium organic pasture-raised brown.

The Walmart factory farm white eggs are $5.22/dozen, which is highway robbery but that's what you get when you buy factory farm eggs.

If you're gonna pay that much money, pay a little more and get the good stuff. Better taste, better baking, more protein in the whites, more nutrition in the yolks.

[Bay Kid]

but what about the price of eggs at Walmart again?

The cost to raise hens to lay eggs has gone up and up. Most of the store eggs come from inferior chickens, terrible conditions and cheap chicken feed. To get great FRESH eggs the cost will be $7-8.00. There is great difference in eggs.

[jimjamuser]

Did raising the interest rates control runaway inflation.?
The FED is TRYING. They are trying their BEST as we speak. They may NOT succeed and the US could tumble into a dep RECESSION. Or just as possible what they are doing could keep the recession relatively mild. Historically, The Fed has ONLY been successful 8 out of 10 times. Why this dismal record? Some say that the FED is incompetent. Others say that the US economy is so BIG and diversified that the FED can NOT get a handle on it. The FED only big TOOL is to raise the interest rate, which is a 2 edged sword and will NOT satisfy hardly anyone - especially Seniors on FIXED incomes.
........Personally, I think that large-group psychology has a bigger effect than is generally realized. If people THINK that there is GOING to BE a recession, then likely there WILL be one ! It is like a "self-fulfilling prophesy" . !!!!!

[jimjamuser]

Some low skilled jobs do not pay a living wage. These are jobs for people to get experience in the working world. ie: show up on time, every day, do what the boss directs, wear a silly smock, what ever. These are not skills taught in schools & rarely taught at home. But they are critical for many to succeed in higher skilled jobs.
Germany has lots of apprenticeship job openings. The US has some, a few.

[rustyp]

The FED is TRYING. They are trying their BEST as we speak. They may NOT succeed and the US could tumble into a dep RECESSION. Or just as possible what they are doing could keep the recession relatively mild. Historically, The Fed has ONLY been successful 8 out of 10 times. Why this dismal record? Some say that the FED is incompetent. Others say that the US economy is so BIG and diversified that the FED can NOT get a handle on it. The FED only big TOOL is to raise the interest rate, which is a 2 edged sword and will NOT satisfy hardly anyone - especially Seniors on FIXED incomes.
........Personally, I think that large-group psychology has a bigger effect than is generally realized. If people THINK that there is GOING to BE a recession, then likely there WILL be one ! It is like a "self-fulfilling prophesy" . !!!!!

Something wrong with this statement. 80% success is not dismal in my opinion.

[jimjamuser]

Raised too little way too late. Free money for loans was ridiculous but that’s what happens when you try to force money into the stock market to prop it up and print money constantly.
i agree with the 1st sentence, the FED was late to the game.

[jimjamuser]

"Both Japan and Europe have done a remarkable job of getting back on par with the US."

Who do you think helped pay for all of that???


"CEOs"... The new "coral"...
Very TRUE. And now because of that at least 50% of the world has thrived under US lead CAPITALISM, which we can be justly PROUD of. And we created friends and uplifted them and now we have good strong trading partners and great, immeasurable GOODWILL. And today we have allies against RUSSIA.
.........Capitalism succeeded in providing the services and GOODS that we now expect on the shelves of Walmart and Target !!!!! The US did the RIGHT thing after WW2 ........we extended a hand of FREEDOM.

[Aces4]

Oil and gas profits last qtr of 2022 were the highest ever, ever in History. Currently, there is NO restriction on permits for drilling. Oil was ALLOWED to be taken out of the Federal Oil Reserve for the purposes of bringing DOWN gas prices at the pump - for the benefit of the WORKING middle class and lower class. (and seniors on a fixed income) The OIL and Gas industry CHOSE to NOT drill and WHY would they because they are enjoying RECORD PROFITS?
......Why IS this important? Because EVERY product or fresh produce that a Senior on a fixed income MUST buy at one of our local Walmart stores or BJ stores has a markup due to HIGH fuel costs to operate the delivery vehicles.
........a good site to check out is - www.themoneybalance.com

This is complete “bull roar”, but too political to touch this hot button.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Raised too little way too late. Free money for loans was ridiculous but that’s what happens when you try to force money into the stock market to prop it up and print money constantly.

Free money for loans to groups/companies who didn't actually need it, you mean. Like a certain state official who had $482,321 in PPP loans forgiven. Even though he doesn't own a business and doesn't run a company.

That's just one. There were millions of dollars handed out to people who didn't need it. Tell ya what - if I had known that it was THAT easy to just take taxpayer money from the fed and use it to pay for luxuries, I would've bought a brand spankin new golf cart, a fully restored vintage Jaguar, and a second home back north - and charged it to the Fed.

Because if elected officials and wealthy corporate suits can do it and get away with it, so should I.

Or maybe - they should be forced to pay those loans back, and be good citizens like the rest of us are expected to be.

[Aces4]

Free money for loans to groups/companies who didn't actually need it, you mean. Like a certain state official who had $482,321 in PPP loans forgiven. Even though he doesn't own a business and doesn't run a company.

That's just one. There were millions of dollars handed out to people who didn't need it. Tell ya what - if I had known that it was THAT easy to just take taxpayer money from the fed and use it to pay for luxuries, I would've bought a brand spankin new golf cart, a fully restored vintage Jaguar, and a second home back north - and charged it to the Fed.

Because if elected officials and wealthy corporate suits can do it and get away with it, so should I.

Or maybe - they should be forced to pay those loans back, and be good citizens like the rest of us are expected to be.

The whole thing was an unregulated mess. I personally think the American people own an expensive sewer.

[jimjamuser]

Which is why there's so much turnover at low-paying jobs. No one is willing to stick around in them. Employers refuse to pay more for what amounts to "temporary help" and the help won't stay without better pay.

If you are at Publix you have to be willing to change locations to anywhere within the district. So that $50k/year doesn't really make up for the fact that you have to drive an hour each way, you get no breaks, and if the next shift's boss can't make it, you're stuck there pulling a double - even if it's your kid's birthday and you promised to be home to make supper. Basically your $50/year job has to be your life. You don't get to say no.

The only thing you learn about business and economics working at a diner is that some people overtip, and some people don't tip at all, and some people walk out without paying, you get pinched, abused, called "hey you," yelled at because your customer's steak was a shade too pink on the inside, threatened, pushed and kicked by little kids, tripped by "comfort animals," and if you don't smile and bend over and take it however the boss and your customers feel like dishing it out, you can business and economy yourself into a different job.
That was a good reality check, a heavy dose of it. Well stated !

[jimjamuser]

There were land leases that hadn't been drilled in yet - producing no oil at all. Other drilled land was carrying oil for export, not domestic use. Prices of oil went up because the oil companies chose to raise them. The president of the united states doesn't dictate the price of crude oil or refined oil, and the us government doesn't subsidize crude or refined oil prices. The former president wasn't responsible for lowering the prices, and the current president isn't responsible for raising them. He is ALSO not responsible for them having gone back down to pre-2020 prices in the last month, either.
True, ALL of that !!!!!!

[jimjamuser]

Handsome brand eggs are currently out of stock at the local Walmarts. That's my usual brand. But the Happy Egg brand are still in stock. They're a bit more expensive, at $6.32/dozen. Handsome are only $5.88/dozen. Happy Eggs have gone up around 80 cents over the last year, they're premium organic brown eggs from pasture-raised hens.

Vital Farms is also still available, those are $6.42/dozen. Also a premium organic pasture-raised brown.

The Walmart factory farm white eggs are $5.22/dozen, which is highway robbery but that's what you get when you buy factory farm eggs.

If you're gonna pay that much money, pay a little more and get the good stuff. Better taste, better baking, more protein in the whites, more nutrition in the yolks.
Free-ranging chickens and their eggs taste better than the factory-farmed variety.

[Aces4]

Which is why there's so much turnover at low-paying jobs. No one is willing to stick around in them. Employers refuse to pay more for what amounts to "temporary help" and the help won't stay without better pay.

If you are at Publix you have to be willing to change locations to anywhere within the district. So that $50k/year doesn't really make up for the fact that you have to drive an hour each way, you get no breaks, and if the next shift's boss can't make it, you're stuck there pulling a double - even if it's your kid's birthday and you promised to be home to make supper. Basically your $50/year job has to be your life. You don't get to say no.

The only thing you learn about business and economics working at a diner is that some people overtip, and some people don't tip at all, and some people walk out without paying, you get pinched, abused, called "hey you," yelled at because your customer's steak was a shade too pink on the inside, threatened, pushed and kicked by little kids, tripped by "comfort animals," and if you don't smile and bend over and take it however the boss and your customers feel like dishing it out, you can business and economy yourself into a different job…
QUOTE FROM ORANGEBLOSSOMBABY

I get it now, the newest generation, heaven forbid, should not have to pay the dues our generations paid. We would have liked fine compensation for our hard and often dirty labor so we could have lived high on the horse for our service jobs.

We lived with small compensation and much less in our lives and sometimes the money was gone before the food ran out. But we worked so hard, did without and slowly pulled ourselves up with ambition and focus and pride.

[JMintzer]

Oil and gas profits last qtr of 2022 were the highest ever, ever in History. Currently, there is NO restriction on permits for drilling. Oil was ALLOWED to be taken out of the Federal Oil Reserve for the purposes of bringing DOWN gas prices at the pump - for the benefit of the WORKING middle class and lower class. (and seniors on a fixed income) The OIL and Gas industry CHOSE to NOT drill and WHY would they because they are enjoying RECORD PROFITS?
......Why IS this important? Because EVERY product or fresh produce that a Senior on a fixed income MUST buy at one of our local Walmart stores or BJ stores has a markup due to HIGH fuel costs to operate the delivery vehicles.
........a good site to check out is - www.themoneybalance.com

They chose not to drill because while they had permits to drill, they DID NOT have permits to build pipelines to move the oil...

Add to that, what business will spend $$$MILLIONS of dollars, investing in new wells, when the current administration Has PUBLICLY STATED THAT THEY WANT TO SHUT THEM DOWN?

[jimjamuser]

Something wrong with this statement. 80% success is not dismal in my opinion.
Sorry, I misspoke. I did an error, please forgive me. The FED is unsuccessful 80% of the time. Thanks.

[jimjamuser]

Which is why there's so much turnover at low-paying jobs. No one is willing to stick around in them. Employers refuse to pay more for what amounts to "temporary help" and the help won't stay without better pay.

If you are at Publix you have to be willing to change locations to anywhere within the district. So that $50k/year doesn't really make up for the fact that you have to drive an hour each way, you get no breaks, and if the next shift's boss can't make it, you're stuck there pulling a double - even if it's your kid's birthday and you promised to be home to make supper. Basically your $50/year job has to be your life. You don't get to say no.

The only thing you learn about business and economics working at a diner is that some people overtip, and some people don't tip at all, and some people walk out without paying, you get pinched, abused, called "hey you," yelled at because your customer's steak was a shade too pink on the inside, threatened, pushed and kicked by little kids, tripped by "comfort animals," and if you don't smile and bend over and take it however the boss and your customers feel like dishing it out, you can business and economy yourself into a different job…
QUOTE FROM ORANGEBLOSSOMBABY

I get it now, the newest generation, heaven forbid, should not have to pay the dues our generations paid. We would have liked fine compensation for our hard and often dirty labor so we could have lived high on the horse for our service jobs.

We lived with small compensation and much less in our lives and sometimes the money was gone before the food ran out. But we worked so hard, did without and slowly pulled ourselves up with ambition and focus and pride.
I believe that the expression is to live, "high on the HOG". It has something to do with the cuts of meat on a hog above the stomach being better cuts and therefore, cost more. Thank me VERY much !

[Aces4]

I believe that the expression is to live, "high on the HOG". It has something to do with the cuts of meat on a hog above the stomach being better cuts and therefore, cost more. Thank me VERY much !

What are you babbling about?:shrug:

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Which is why there's so much turnover at low-paying jobs. No one is willing to stick around in them. Employers refuse to pay more for what amounts to "temporary help" and the help won't stay without better pay.

If you are at Publix you have to be willing to change locations to anywhere within the district. So that $50k/year doesn't really make up for the fact that you have to drive an hour each way, you get no breaks, and if the next shift's boss can't make it, you're stuck there pulling a double - even if it's your kid's birthday and you promised to be home to make supper. Basically your $50/year job has to be your life. You don't get to say no.

The only thing you learn about business and economics working at a diner is that some people overtip, and some people don't tip at all, and some people walk out without paying, you get pinched, abused, called "hey you," yelled at because your customer's steak was a shade too pink on the inside, threatened, pushed and kicked by little kids, tripped by "comfort animals," and if you don't smile and bend over and take it however the boss and your customers feel like dishing it out, you can business and economy yourself into a different job…
QUOTE FROM ORANGEBLOSSOMBABY

I get it now, the newest generation, heaven forbid, should not have to pay the dues our generations paid. We would have liked fine compensation for our hard and often dirty labor so we could have lived high on the horse for our service jobs.

We lived with small compensation and much less in our lives and sometimes the money was gone before the food ran out. But we worked so hard, did without and slowly pulled ourselves up with ambition and focus and pride.


Once upon a time, minimum wage at a full time job could actually get basic expenses covered in most parts of the country. Food, shelter, transportation to your job. That's what it was designed to do, that was its function. That is no longer true. Minimum wage didn't keep up with inflation. Inflation isn't caused by an increase in minimum wage. Were that the case, the *federal* minimum wage would be well over $12/hour. Instead, it's still $7.25/hour. There are still some states that only require $7.25/hour minimum wage, and many jobs that still only pay $7.25/hour minimum wage.

That is not the cause of inflation. It is a symptom of inflation.

[Aces4]

Once upon a time, minimum wage at a full time job could actually get basic expenses covered in most parts of the country. Food, shelter, transportation to your job. That's what it was designed to do, that was its function. That is no longer true. Minimum wage didn't keep up with inflation. Inflation isn't caused by an increase in minimum wage. Were that the case, the *federal* minimum wage would be well over $12/hour. Instead, it's still $7.25/hour. There are still some states that only require $7.25/hour minimum wage, and many jobs that still only pay $7.25/hour minimum wage.

That is not the cause of inflation. It is a symptom of inflation.

That’s not true, we just allowed fewer things in our life. We didn’t have cellphones, computers, cable TV, bought used baby furniture and supplies, bought any necessities on sale if possible, didn’t take our children on vacation until they were preteens and that was for 2 nights.

There was one car only, we never did pot or put drugs up our noses. We did the physical labor for our home repairs, upkeep and remodeling. College education was out of reach so we utilized libraries and common sense to teach ourselves. AND we had respect for our bosses, elders without groveling and were a two parent family.

It wasn’t and hasn’t been a cakewalk but totally satisfying knowing we were responsible for our achievements and goals.

[jimjamuser]

Once upon a time, minimum wage at a full time job could actually get basic expenses covered in most parts of the country. Food, shelter, transportation to your job. That's what it was designed to do, that was its function. That is no longer true. Minimum wage didn't keep up with inflation. Inflation isn't caused by an increase in minimum wage. Were that the case, the *federal* minimum wage would be well over $12/hour. Instead, it's still $7.25/hour. There are still some states that only require $7.25/hour minimum wage, and many jobs that still only pay $7.25/hour minimum wage.

That is not the cause of inflation. It is a symptom of inflation.
In the US Historically minimum wages and, in general, workers' wages have been able to be held LOW compared to Europe by historically creating schisms between the 2 major groups of workers (Blacks and Caucasians) for the purpose of discouraging Unionization and thus keeping wages lower than otherwise.......pretty cleaver of the cabal of large employers.

[jimjamuser]

What are you babbling about?:shrug:
Sounds like my wife. Is that you there honey?

[jimjamuser]

That’s not true, we just allowed fewer things in our life. We didn’t have cellphones, computers, cable TV, bought used baby furniture and supplies, bought any necessities on sale if possible, didn’t take our children on vacation until they were preteens and that was for 2 nights.

There was one car only, we never did pot or put drugs up our noses. We did the physical labor for our home repairs, upkeep and remodeling. College education was out of reach so we utilized libraries and common sense to teach ourselves. AND we had respect for our bosses, elders without groveling and were a two parent family.

It wasn’t and hasn’t been a cakewalk but totally satisfying knowing we were responsible for our achievements and goals.
Interesting...........solid middle-class, patriotic value system. I am guessing born in the USA..........in the Midwest. Just a guess. I lived in Nebraska for a while, and attended a College in Kansas in the early 60s.......surprisingly good parties there.

[Aces4]

In the US Historically minimum wages and, in general, workers' wages have been able to be held LOW compared to Europe by historically creating schisms between the 2 major groups of workers (Blacks and Caucasians) for the purpose of discouraging Unionization and thus keeping wages lower than otherwise.......pretty cleaver of the cabal of large employers.

If you are trying to cause division between the races, you push your agenda. Why don’t you just live and stop noting skin color?

Treat people without judging them, whatever their color. We are more interested in “the content of their character” as suggested by a famous individual.

[Aces4]

Interesting...........solid middle-class, patriotic value system. I am guessing born in the USA..........in the Midwest. Just a guess. I lived in Nebraska for a while, and attended a College in Kansas in the early 60s.......surprisingly good parties there.

Lol, patriotic value system? How about… integrity, character, individualism and work ethic. You’re right though, we were raised by hard working parents with the same ethics and the public t*t was for those who physically, mentally had actual disabilities.

[CoachKandSportsguy]

You’re right though, we were raised by hard working parents with the same ethics and the public t*t was for those who physically, mentally had actual disabilities.

My family as well, but can that continue as capitalism replaces labor with automation? and not at the lowest level, but continues in middle management as well?

have seen it and participated in it in over 30 years of working in and with technology. .

[Aces4]

My family as well, but can that continue as capitalism replaces labor with automation? and not at the lowest level, but continues in middle management as well?

have seen it and participated in it in over 30 years of working in and with technology. .


This discussion with one of our sons had him advising us of, (I believe this is the correct acronym), the future of UBI otherwise known as universal basic income. Interesting and depressing future that is probably on the horizon down the road.

[jimjamuser]

If you are trying to cause division between the races, you push your agenda. Why don’t you just live and stop noting skin color?

Treat people without judging them, whatever their color. We are more interested in “the content of their character” as suggested by a famous individual.
Well, I would say that someone interpreted what I said to suit themselves. I am the most pro-integration person on this planet.

[jimjamuser]

My family as well, but can that continue as capitalism replaces labor with automation? and not at the lowest level, but continues in middle management as well?

have seen it and participated in it in over 30 years of working in and with technology. .
I do not see a big problem there. The work week MAY decrease to 20 hours / week. It has decreased Historically for many years. It may be replaced with lots of free time for self-improvement. Like retired people do line dancing classes, hula hoop classes, yoga classes, and get away from your spouse classes, and everyone's favorite........wait for it...........Cat Juggling !!!!

[Aces4]

Well, I would say that someone interpreted what I said to suit themselves. I am the most pro-integration person on this planet.


Hardly, judging by your previous statements.

[Aces4]

I do not see a big problem there. The work week MAY decrease to 20 hours / week. It has decreased Historically for many years. It may be replaced with lots of free time for self-improvement. Like retired people do line dancing classes, hula hoop classes, yoga classes, and get away from your spouse classes, and everyone's favorite........wait for it...........Cat Juggling !!!!

Then you have blinders. Idleness is the devils workshop and you’ll see crime like never before.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

That’s not true, we just allowed fewer things in our life. We didn’t have cellphones, computers, cable TV, bought used baby furniture and supplies, bought any necessities on sale if possible, didn’t take our children on vacation until they were preteens and that was for 2 nights.

There was one car only, we never did pot or put drugs up our noses. We did the physical labor for our home repairs, upkeep and remodeling. College education was out of reach so we utilized libraries and common sense to teach ourselves. AND we had respect for our bosses, elders without groveling and were a two parent family.

It wasn’t and hasn’t been a cakewalk but totally satisfying knowing we were responsible for our achievements and goals.

Yes people in the 1950's smoked pot and did drugs. But they didn't pay for disposable diapers. The mortality rate was higher, people died younger. Most cancers weren't yet diagnosable, so people died from cancer with no treatment. By the 1960's a large percentage of women were working, until the 1970's when most women in a 2-parent household were working. During that decade, the cost of living went up such that the man as breadwinner ceased to be a thing, because most mens' incomes were no longer sufficient to provide for their family without their wife working as well.

I mean this is over 50 years ago. Living in the past is kind of silly, especially when you ignore that the rest of the world has progressed, whether you like it or not. You can keep up, or you can bow out. But life will go on, with or without your input. And it will demand what it demands, whether you choose to acknowledge it or not.

[Sabella]

Then why are they taking credit for the recent (albeit temporary) drop in prices?

If you think oil companies are the only factor that causes high gas prices you better think again.

[Jerseygirl08]

Oil prices went up well before Russia invaded Ukraine...

Inflation was caused by massive spending, and not controlled by rate raises...

Correct. People are forgetting that piece, especially since Pres. Biden told everyone the price of oil went up BECAUSE RUSSIA INVADED UKRAINE. No, the price of oil went up months before the Ukraine was invaded. And then came massive spending. And then came covid and more massive spending. And then came the invasion across our border and more massive spending. IE: Hope nobody believes all the immigrants came over here with enough money to support themselves; food, shelter, medical bills, transportation, cell phones, clothing, etc. Once they arrived, the gifts they received enroute - did not keep-on-giving!! IMHO.

[Aces4]

Yes people in the 1950's smoked pot and did drugs. But they didn't pay for disposable diapers. The mortality rate was lower, people died younger. Most cancers weren't yet diagnosable, so people died from cancer with no treatment. By the 1960's a large percentage of women were working, until the 1970's when most women in a 2-parent household were working. During that decade, the cost of living went up such that the man as breadwinner ceased to be a thing, because most mens' incomes were no longer sufficient to provide for their family without their wife working as well.

I mean this is over 50 years ago. Living in the past is kind of silly, especially when you ignore that the rest of the world has progressed, whether you like it or not. You can keep up, or you can bow out. But life will go on, with or without your input. And it will demand what it demands, whether you choose to acknowledge it or not.

What’s even sillier is to think people aren’t capable of working hard, thinking and acting responsibly, creating two parent families and saving. Isn’t it silly to think that the world has progressed so everyone must be paid a “living wage” for menial labor?

These poor people which you expound are so beaten down had better not be wearing phony nails, hair extensions, designer shoes and clothing, tattoos, piercings and so forth. If paper diapers are so expensive, buy cloth like we did.

Please don’t tell me that the people now don’t need to earn their keep or work hard. It’s insulting. Btw, I know many, many people from our parent’s generation and ours who are living lengthy lives even though they didn’t have things handed to them.

[Keefelane66]

“And then came covid and more massive spending.” Covid was already here not just starting maybe you meant inoculations

[JMintzer]

If you think oil companies are the only factor that causes high gas prices you better think again.

I never suggested that...

[Maker]

There were land leases that hadn't been drilled in yet - producing no oil at all. Other drilled land was carrying oil for export, not domestic use. Prices of oil went up because the oil companies chose to raise them. The president of the united states doesn't dictate the price of crude oil or refined oil, and the us government doesn't subsidize crude or refined oil prices. The former president wasn't responsible for lowering the prices, and the current president isn't responsible for raising them. He is ALSO not responsible for them having gone back down to pre-2020 prices in the last month, either.

Somebody needs to learn basic economics. When supply goes down, prices go up. It really is that simple. Previous president was instrumental with increasing supply (prices go down). Current president lowered supply so much that USA forced to buy a lot more crude at prevailing arab market prices (which they eventually also raised). Lowered supply and prices doubled.
Economics 101 is not politics based. But actions by politicians have consequences.

[golfing eagles]

Somebody needs to learn basic economics. When supply goes down, prices go up. It really is that simple. Previous president was instrumental with increasing supply (prices go down). Current president lowered supply so much that USA forced to buy a lot more crude at prevailing arab market prices (which they eventually also raised). Lowered supply and prices doubled.
Economics 101 is not politics based. But actions by politicians have consequences.

Yeah, but think of how much better they are doing with fighting "global warming" :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

I'll gladly pay you in 20,000 years for a hamburger today :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[Two Bills]

Somebody needs to learn basic economics. When supply goes down, prices go up. It really is that simple. Previous president was instrumental with increasing supply (prices go down). Current president lowered supply so much that USA forced to buy a lot more crude at prevailing arab market prices (which they eventually also raised). Lowered supply and prices doubled.
Economics 101 is not politics based. But actions by politicians have consequences.

For over two years, Covid lowered demand world wide, and production dropped accordingly.
Later demand was greater than production and supply.
It is a world market, not solely a US market.
I did not see any US based petroleum companies making any effort to lower prices for home market, just increasing production to enlarge their profits.
Nothing to do with presidents, politicians of whatever color, market and demand sets the price.

[jimjamuser]

Then you have blinders. Idleness is the devils workshop and you’ll see crime like never before.
"The devil's workshop" Huh. That explains a lot of things.

[jimjamuser]

Correct. People are forgetting that piece, especially since Pres. Biden told everyone the price of oil went up BECAUSE RUSSIA INVADED UKRAINE. No, the price of oil went up months before the Ukraine was invaded. And then came massive spending. And then came covid and more massive spending. And then came the invasion across our border and more massive spending. IE: Hope nobody believes all the immigrants came over here with enough money to support themselves; food, shelter, medical bills, transportation, cell phones, clothing, etc. Once they arrived, the gifts they received enroute - did not keep-on-giving!! IMHO.
Pretty good post.

[jimjamuser]

Correct. People are forgetting that piece, especially since Pres. Biden told everyone the price of oil went up BECAUSE RUSSIA INVADED UKRAINE. No, the price of oil went up months before the Ukraine was invaded. And then came massive spending. And then came covid and more massive spending. And then came the invasion across our border and more massive spending. IE: Hope nobody believes all the immigrants came over here with enough money to support themselves; food, shelter, medical bills, transportation, cell phones, clothing, etc. Once they arrived, the gifts they received enroute - did not keep-on-giving!! IMHO.
Agreed about immigrants, especially the ILLEGAL variety. And once again I do NOT care if they come from Switzerland or anywhere particularly - it is al same / same. The US long ago STOPPED having a frontier, so that's when unbridled immigration SHOULD HAVE stopped.

[jimjamuser]

“And then came covid and more massive spending.” Covid was already here not just starting maybe you meant inoculations
NOT cool.

[jimjamuser]

Yeah, but think of how much better they are doing with fighting "global warming" :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

I'll gladly pay you in 20,000 years for a hamburger today :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:
Both cattle and humans will be long extinct - how do I know.......just by reading some people's posts.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

For over two years, Covid lowered demand world wide, and production dropped accordingly.
Later demand was greater than production and supply.
It is a world market, not solely a US market.
I did not see any US based petroleum companies making any effort to lower prices for home market, just increasing production to enlarge their profits.
Nothing to do with presidents, politicians of whatever color, market and demand sets the price.

You won't convince anyone of facts, if facts don't fit the narrative they've chosen to believe.

[Aces4]

"The devil's workshop" Huh. That explains a lot of things.

And a lot of people…:clap2:

[Aces4]

You won't convince anyone of facts, if facts don't fit the narrative they've chosen to believe.

Yes, I’ve noticed that. If the facts don’t fit their mindset and narrative, they refuse to accept they could be wrong!:icon_wink: