Labor loves building houses

[RICH1]

Why all of a sudden do Villagers need to subsidize Workforce Housing apartments? Plenty of places to live in surrounding towns that house and support the working men and working ladies.. Changing the fabric of a Retirement Community will only cheapen the quality of Retiree life by creating more expenses to draw from a fixed income. Raising the minimum wage has become more than my High Skilled Tradesmen career I had 10 years ago! And this Tipping thing is over, do your job and make me a pizza

[Stu from NYC]

Will agree that tipping has gotten out of hand.

Someone handing me my dinner which I take to my table and than making me place used tray and plates and silverwear somewhere for them to clean or whatever is not going to get a tip from me.

Taking my order at a table and than bringing my food to the table and refilling my glass is a different story.

[LuvtheVillages]

Why all of a sudden do Villagers need to subsidize Workforce Housing apartments? Plenty of places to live in surrounding towns that house and support the working men and working ladies.. Changing the fabric of a Retirement Community will only cheapen the quality of Retiree life by creating more expenses to draw from a fixed income. Raising the minimum wage has become more than my High Skilled Tradesmen career I had 10 years ago! And this Tipping thing is over, do your job and make me a pizza

You are NOT subsidizing any workforce housing. Any apartments being built (other than at Brownwood, and they pay fees just like you) are OUTSIDE the Villages. None of your money or fees go to those apartments.

Within the Villages, the non-age-restricted housing is completely separate from the age-restricted housing. They have their own facilities and recreation, completely separate from yours.

The only expense I can think of is that some of your property taxes may be used to build roads and schools. Just like in any city in the country.

[blueash]

Why all of a sudden do Villagers need to subsidize Workforce Housing apartments? Plenty of places to live in surrounding towns that house and support the working men and working ladies.. Changing the fabric of a Retirement Community will only cheapen the quality of Retiree life by creating more expenses to draw from a fixed income. Raising the minimum wage has become more than my High Skilled Tradesmen career I had 10 years ago! And this Tipping thing is over, do your job and make me a pizza

There are not plenty of places in the surrounding communities. That is why capitalist entrepreneurs are building new housing. That is why the Morse clan, not stupid people at all, are building more family sections. The work force now comes from afar.

And do you expect us to be so gullible as to believe that you as a "High Skilled Tradesman" were paid less than $11 an hour ten years ago?

[Marathon Man]

You are NOT subsidizing any workforce housing. Any apartments being built (other than at Brownwood, and they pay fees just like you) are OUTSIDE the Villages. None of your money or fees go to those apartments.

Within the Villages, the non-age-restricted housing is completely separate from the age-restricted housing. They have their own facilities and recreation, completely separate from yours.

The only expense I can think of is that some of your property taxes may be used to build roads and schools. Just like in any city in the country.

Correct

[Marathon Man]

There are not plenty of places in the surrounding communities. That is why capitalist entrepreneurs are building new housing. That is why the Morse clan, not stupid people at all, are building more family sections. The work force now comes from afar.

And do you expect us to be so gullible as to believe that you as a "High Skilled Tradesman" were paid less than $11 an hour ten years ago?

Also correct.

[RICH1]

Disney is paying 20.00 bucks per hour to their Cast members, with 5 % increases every year…frustrating seeing these and other entry level jobs making these wages & pushing that tip jar in our faces… guess I’m just sick & tired of the system bleeding the Retiree on Fixed incomes… I’m comfortable now but the future looks bleak..

[Sandy and Ed]

Disney is paying 20.00 bucks per hour to their Cast members, with 5 % increases every year…frustrating seeing these and other entry level jobs making these wages & pushing that tip jar in our faces… guess I’m just sick & tired of the system bleeding the Retiree on Fixed incomes… I’m comfortable now but the future looks bleak..
And I remember when the 10% tip was the norm which then went to 15% and then 18% and now everyone is pushing 20%. Thankfully they do the math now and make tip suggestions on the check in case you can’t do math. All the while the base cost of the meal goes up and up and up. And why carrying a plate of porterhouse steak to your table warrants a higher tip than that plate of meatloaf makes no sense to me at all. Tip based on level of service not on the cost of the plat.

[golfing eagles]

There are not plenty of places in the surrounding communities. That is why capitalist entrepreneurs are building new housing. That is why the Morse clan, not stupid people at all, are building more family sections. The work force now comes from afar.

And do you expect us to be so gullible as to believe that you as a "High Skilled Tradesman" were paid less than $11 an hour ten years ago?

Agree

[RICH1]

There are not plenty of places in the surrounding communities. That is why capitalist entrepreneurs are building new housing. That is why the Morse clan, not stupid people at all, are building more family sections. The work force now comes from afar.

And do you expect us to be so gullible as to believe that you as a "High Skilled Tradesman" were paid less than $11 an hour ten years ago?
Nobody said “ Stupid People” please don’t put words in my mouth!, that’s how people get broken jaws…. And TWISTING my Post about my pay 10 years ago so others only read your TWISTED SPIN is a recipe for Disaster!

[JGibson]

OP managed to cover 3 complaints in one post.

Housing
Minimum Wage
Tipping

Maybe OP had a bad day or just needs to let up on consuming the media a little bit.

So TV is not paying for the housing.

The minimum wage in Florida is one of the lowest in the country.

Tipping is always optional.

I hope you have a better day.

[mikeycereal]

Don't get me stated on the tip jar. I remember when I first saw one of those back in the 80's at the register of our favorite pizza hut. Though it's been widely accepted for the past I don't know several years, it wasn't as much in the customer's view back then. Optional yes, but the idea to try to collect more money after being left a tip at the table seemed pretty outrageous. I don't think I've ever fed one of those... ever.

As for minimum wage... hmmm $20 now, $3 back when I first began working. I need to start upping my side job hourly rate... they pretty much caught me up!

[asianthree]

Starting for for new graduate RN can start at $22-24 hourly rate, state by state, unless you want to work in high crime area, then you get hazard pay.

So why go into health care, when you can work for Disney, get ticket perks, and have a stress free magical day.

[RICH1]

OP managed to cover 3 complaints in one post.

Housing
Minimum Wage
Tipping

Maybe OP had a bad day or just needs to let up on consuming the media a little bit.

So TV is not paying for the housing.

The minimum wage in Florida is one of the lowest in the country.

Tipping is always optional.

I hope you have a better day.
Thank you , I needed that ! Yes the minimum wage here in Florida is on of the lowest in the country…paid in Sunshine dollars….lol
The News does get my goat pretty easily lately, and I’m flipping all channels..that 20.00 per hour Walmart story, possibly took me over the edge, knowing most employees still qualify for supplemental government benefits..I’ll just take a chill pill and try to figure out how to process 20 million illegals getting Social Security numbers and 1099s. It might be less Stressful… anyway Thanks again …

[Janie123]

Let’s see, Villagers complain about service at restaurants… mostly due to lack of staff. I note some FB posts recently where a few of the CC restaurants cancelled breakfast service due to lack of staff. We were at Cody’s mid week. We can tell the staff was short. Handed. Our server was out of breath a few times coming to our table so her tips could suffer as the time between visits were too long.

I digress… Wildwood and other towns around the villages see and hear about short staffed establishments and decide to subsidize housing for more minimum wage workers. Is that any different that the state and cities giving large tax credits to large corporations to bring their businesses to FL? Subsidized housing is the same IMHO just 1-2 people at a time.

Also IMHO, the service is very good in and around the villages (with some exceptions) as I compare it to Denver/Aurora where we moved from… seems to me more hard working folks want to get out of poverty or just struggling workers vs. workers that have more of an entitled mindset… but just my $.02.

[Janie123]

Starting for for new graduate RN can start at $22-24 hourly rate, state by state, unless you want to work in high crime area, then you get hazard pay.

So why go into health care, when you can work for Disney, get ticket perks, and have a stress free magical day.
Because an RN has a lot of upside growth to make $50 an hour plus, a cast member is like a barista, just a stepping stone while working on maybe a higher education or it’s an internship. And all $100k+ jobs are not in crappy locations, we spend 8 months at the Mayo Clinic in Jacksonville (10 min from the beach)… and I’m sure there are lots of RNs doing well up there especially moving up the ladder from entry level to maybe getting into the OR or Oncology units. To be fair, some departments (like in the hospital post surgery floors) at the Mayo are also short staffed but I think that might be due to just a shortage of RNs.

[Marine1974]

I guess you shouldn’t complain about labor shortages in the villages if you think people should drive 40 minutes to an hour each way to come a serve you for ??? an hour . Apartments are a great idea for the workers in the villages . Schools to .

[Marine1974]

I guess you shouldn’t complain about labor shortages in the villages if you think people should drive 40 minutes to an hour each way to come a serve you for ??? an hour . Apartments are a great idea for the workers in the villages . Schools to .

[Dlpdo]

Starting for for new graduate RN can start at $22-24 hourly rate, state by state, unless you want to work in high crime area, then you get hazard pay.

So why go into health care, when you can work for Disney, get ticket perks, and have a stress free magical day.

Do you really believe working at Disney is stress free. I am not aware of any stress free service job where people have to work with the demanding and those who feel entitled.

[ahrens fox]

Why all of a sudden do Villagers need to subsidize Workforce Housing apartments? Plenty of places to live in surrounding towns that house and support the working men and working ladies.. Changing the fabric of a Retirement Community will only cheapen the quality of Retiree life by creating more expenses to draw from a fixed income. Raising the minimum wage has become more than my High Skilled Tradesmen career I had 10 years ago! And this Tipping thing is over, do your job and make me a pizza

Where is the subsidy? This housing is a business investment with an anticipated profit.

[Charlie'sDad]

The cleaning ladies gave me an estimate of $120 for 2 Bedrooms, 2 bath rooms, kitchen, open dining/living room and den. They (there were 3 of them) were here for 45 minutes !!! That's over $40 an hour. Did they clean very well ? NO. They are not coming back.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Family communities have always existed in The Villages. As far as I know, Villagers don't subsidize them. Residents of family villages do not have access to amenities nor are they golf cart accessible.
I suppose that the Morse family sees an opportunity to derive income from that particular segment of the market. Why would they not? It does not, as you suggest change the fabric of the community.

Raising the minimum wage only creates inflation which actually makes it more difficult for those making minimum wage. Minimum wage was never meant to be something that people could survive or raise a family on.

As far as tipping. I never tip for counter service. It has never been requested until recently. I resent the fact that it is often included in the credit card machines that many fast food companies now use.

Table service on the other hand is a different matter. Service people work hard and take care of our needs. They make a lower minimum age and deserved to be tipped.
Now some might say, just raise their minimum wage to the same level as all other workers. All that would do would be increase the prices on everything in the restaurant. This is especially true since people are not going to do that job for minimum wage. People get into the service business because they know if they do a good job, they will be rewarded.
If you worked this increase into the prices of the product, you need to consider that not only will the restaurant owners have to increase prices by the new wage but they would also have to include the increases in taxes and workman's comp and other expenses into the prices. So if you tip 20% now, imagine a price increase of 25%-30& across the board. Also, if your server does not do a very good job, you have the option of tipping less.

[Vermilion Villager]

Why all of a sudden do Villagers need to subsidize Workforce Housing apartments? Plenty of places to live in surrounding towns that house and support the working men and working ladies.. Changing the fabric of a Retirement Community will only cheapen the quality of Retiree life by creating more expenses to draw from a fixed income. Raising the minimum wage has become more than my High Skilled Tradesmen career I had 10 years ago! And this Tipping thing is over, do your job and make me a pizza
Thank you for doing such a good job defining the word: ENTITLED! :BigApplause:

[Vermilion Villager]

Nobody said “ Stupid People” please don’t put words in my mouth!, that’s how people get broken jaws…. And TWISTING my Post about my pay 10 years ago so others only read your TWISTED SPIN is a recipe for Disaster!

Look out everyone....Popeye's gonna eat some spinach!!!!!:boxing2:

[newgirl]

You are incorrect , there is Very little affordable housing within 60 minutes by car to The Villages, that is why there is such a shortage of employees. And when a place under $1.500 a month ( remember most here make $10 hr or less) one has to pay a $100 non refundable
fee just to apply to get it ( usually at least 50 apply to every non 55 plus rental that comes up) I know 4 young families that had to move to Orlando or other areas because they could not find a place to live. If the developer wants to continue to build,

he needs to build some affordable housing that people working for the wages paid here, can afford to buy. The family housing close homes are more outrageous then the homes in The Villages. Most can not afford $200.000 for a 800 sq ft house not including bond assessments, taxes,and Villages usage fee's.
If they don't start building true affordable housing, The Villages will have a bunch or retires that paid lots of money , have money, but they will have no place to go due to lack of employees. As of today, most employees drive at least 45 min to go to work. Not good for the future.

[newgirl]

You are incorrect , there is Very little affordable housing within 60 minutes by car to The Villages, that is why there is such a shortage of employees. And when a place under $1.500 a month ( remember most here make $10 hr or less) one has to pay a $100 non redundant fee just to apply to get it ( usually at least 50 apply to every non 55 plus rental that comes up) I know 4 young families that had to move to Orlando or other areas because they could not find a place to live. If the developer wants to continue to go he needs to build some affordable housing that people working for the wages paid here, can afford to buy. The family housing close homes are more outrageous then the homes in The Villages. Most can not afford $200.000 for a 800 sq ft house not including bond assessments, taxes,and Villages usage fee's.
If they don't start building true affordable housing, The Villages will have a bunch or retires that paid lots of money , have money, but they will have no place to go due to lack of employees. As of today, most employees drive at least 45 min to go to work. Not good for the future
Florida has one of the lowest min wages in the country, and most of the schools are rated lowest in the US. It is time more is done to help young folks.

[Pete Swanson]

Why all of a sudden do Villagers need to subsidize Workforce Housing apartments? Plenty of places to live in surrounding towns that house and support the working men and working ladies.. Changing the fabric of a Retirement Community will only cheapen the quality of Retiree life by creating more expenses to draw from a fixed income. Raising the minimum wage has become more than my High Skilled Tradesmen career I had 10 years ago! And this Tipping thing is over, do your job and make me a pizza

Seriously????

[VApeople]

If the developer wants to continue to go he needs to build some affordable housing that people working for the wages paid here, can afford to buy.

Why does the Developer need to do it?

The local communities like Wildwood seem to be building a lot of housing for non-villagers, and I think that is great.

[blueash]

Originally Posted by RICH1 [edited]
Why all of a sudden do Villagers need to subsidize Workforce Housing apartments? Plenty of places to live in surrounding towns that house and support the working men and working ladies.. ... Raising the minimum wage has become more than my High Skilled Tradesmen career I had 10 years ago! ...

Reply by Blueash:
[edited]. That is why capitalist entrepreneurs are building new housing. That is why the Morse clan, not stupid people at all, are building more family sections. The work force now comes from afar.

And do you expect us to be so gullible as to believe that you as a "High Skilled Tradesman" were paid less than $11 an hour ten years ago?

Nobody said “ Stupid People” please don’t put words in my mouth!, that’s how people get broken jaws…. And TWISTING my Post about my pay 10 years ago so others only read your TWISTED SPIN is a recipe for Disaster!

I said the Morse clan members are not stupid people.. Why are you threatening me and suggesting that my recognition of their financial skills should cause you or anyone to break my jaw. Or maybe you don't read well and somehow think I called you stupid or suggested you thought the Morses were stupid. I did not do either of those things. Read what I wrote again. See post #4

And then you threaten me with disaster??? What is wrong with you? I did not twist your comment which despite the poor wording seems to say that the minimum wage today is higher than your salary 10 years ago. If that is not the meaning of "the minimum wage has become more than my High Skilled Tradesmen career I had 10 years ago" you write very unclearly.
Then you accuse me of only presenting my TWISTED SPIN when I 100% completely included your exact words in my post which is so obvious I don't know how you can make up such a lie about what I wrote. Again see post #4 where your entire post is included above my comment.
Please consider why you need to threaten physical violence even if someone did call you stupid or suggest why a disaster is somehow forthcoming if someone misquotes your words. Wow, just Wow.

[tvbound]

I said the Morse clan members are not stupid people.. Why are you threatening me and suggesting that my recognition of their financial skills should cause you or anyone to break my jaw. Or maybe you don't read well and somehow think I called you stupid or suggested you thought the Morses were stupid. I did not do either of those things. Read what I wrote again. See post #4

And then you threaten me with disaster??? What is wrong with you? I did not twist your comment which despite the poor wording seems to say that the minimum wage today is higher than your salary 10 years ago. If that is not the meaning of "the minimum wage has become more than my High Skilled Tradesmen career I had 10 years ago" you write very unclearly.
Then you accuse me of only presenting my TWISTED SPIN when I 100% completely included your exact words in my post which is so obvious I don't know how you can make up such a lie about what I wrote. Again see post #4 where your entire post is included above my comment.
Please consider why you need to threaten physical violence even if someone did call you stupid or suggest why a disaster is somehow forthcoming if someone misquotes your words. Wow, just Wow.


"Please consider why you need to threaten physical violence even if someone did call you stupid or suggest why a disaster is somehow forthcoming if someone misquotes your words. Wow, just Wow."


I can only assume that there aren't any mods around right now, because they normally would have instantly deleted that threatening post, as they're usually pretty good about keeping impotent keyboard warriors/extremists from getting away with things like that...which was beyond the pale.

[RICH1]

Originally Posted by RICH1 [edited]
Why all of a sudden do Villagers need to subsidize Workforce Housing apartments? Plenty of places to live in surrounding towns that house and support the working men and working ladies.. ... Raising the minimum wage has become more than my High Skilled Tradesmen career I had 10 years ago! ...

Reply by Blueash:
[edited]. That is why capitalist entrepreneurs are building new housing. That is why the Morse clan, not stupid people at all, are building more family sections. The work force now comes from afar.

And do you expect us to be so gullible as to believe that you as a "High Skilled Tradesman" were paid less than $11 an hour ten years ago?



I said the Morse clan members are not stupid people.. Why are you threatening me and suggesting that my recognition of their financial skills should cause you or anyone to break my jaw. Or maybe you don't read well and somehow think I called you stupid or suggested you thought the Morses were stupid. I did not do either of those things. Read what I wrote again. See post #4

And then you threaten me with disaster??? What is wrong with you? I did not twist your comment which despite the poor wording seems to say that the minimum wage today is higher than your salary 10 years ago. If that is not the meaning of "the minimum wage has become more than my High Skilled Tradesmen career I had 10 years ago" you write very unclearly.
Then you accuse me of only presenting my TWISTED SPIN when I 100% completely included your exact words in my post which is so obvious I don't know how you can make up such a lie about what I wrote. Again see post #4 where your entire post is included above my comment.
Please consider why you need to threaten physical violence even if someone did call you stupid or suggest why a disaster is somehow forthcoming if someone misquotes your words. Wow, just Wow.
Don’t go narcissist on us, I didn’t want my Jaw broken… please re read my comment and not think about yourself…. I guess word spinners think like that..

[tvbound]

Thank you for doing such a good job defining the word: ENTITLED! :BigApplause:

The best and most hilarious part being, the "entitled" poster actually thanked you! LOL Methinks he doesn't quite understand your dead on comment on his post.

[Two Bills]

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[RICH1]

The best and most hilarious part being, the "entitled" poster actually thanked you! LOL Methinks he doesn't quite understand your dead on comment on his post.
Crystal Clear … loved the depth of it! I said I was a machinist, not a barber…

[asianthree]

Because an RN has a lot of upside growth to make $50 an hour plus, a cast member is like a barista, just a stepping stone while working on maybe a higher education or it’s an internship. And all $100k+ jobs are not in crappy locations, we spend 8 months at the Mayo Clinic in Jacksonville (10 min from the beach)… and I’m sure there are lots of RNs doing well up there especially moving up the ladder from entry level to maybe getting into the OR or Oncology units. To be fair, some departments (like in the hospital post surgery floors) at the Mayo are also short staffed but I think that might be due to just a shortage of RNs.

Yep tell that to a 18 yo, that future is more important than the next 4 years. Health care is not the calling it used to be. I have 45 plus years in Operating Room, and counting. The reason hospitals are short is many retired during the two year hiatus of Covid. With the option of returning, however most chose to just walk away.

We could see what every position made in my system that owned 300 plus facilities, all over the country. It was incentive to post hourly wages from starting to top. Oncology for an RN, not much up grade.

ICU, ED, OR, are at the middle, depending on added on certification. However, $100,000 isn’t in any RN scale. NP, ORNP, PA, PAOR, can make six figures, but not all.

House RN mom, which was mid management, but never enough money to put up with all the crap.
Even with many of us working 60 plus hours a week durning Covid, $100,000 was never in the mix. Many were furloughed or hours cut.

Both of us have 45 years each in multi healthcare facilities, our kids, are Doctors, PAOR and RNOR, certified.

Granddaughter is started med school this year, trauma orthopedic is her passion, like her grandfather. But conversation this weekend was “ I just figured out by the time I finish residency, I will be $700,000 in debt”. And then I still have to enter into my trauma orthopedics specialty.

She said sometimes she questions debt could reach a million dollars and will it worth it. Then she goes to cadaver lab, sees how fractured bones could have been repaired better, and knows it’s all worth the money,

[JMintzer]

There are not plenty of places in the surrounding communities. That is why capitalist entrepreneurs are building new housing. That is why the Morse clan, not stupid people at all, are building more family sections. The work force now comes from afar.

And do you expect us to be so gullible as to believe that you as a "High Skilled Tradesman" were paid less than $11 an hour ten years ago?

Yup. People who know more than anyone on this board about housing needs are investing their capital into building housing...

[JMintzer]

Starting for for new graduate RN can start at $22-24 hourly rate, state by state, unless you want to work in high crime area, then you get hazard pay.

So why go into health care, when you can work for Disney, get ticket perks, and have a stress free magical day.

It's significantly higher than that. It ranges from just over $60K to well over $100K...

[asianthree]

It's significantly higher than that. It ranges from just over $60K to well over $100K...

16 facilities listed 62 positions today, for RN new grad $22-24. I get posting daily for no less than 100 facilities, plus 13 traveling sites. As I stated some states are lower than others. Advent has postings for new grad RN start $24. Travelers posting starting at $31-35, VA this week have tons of LPN, but very few RN posting.

[JMintzer]

16 facilities listed 62 positions today, for RN new grad $22-24. I get posting daily for no less than 100 facilities, plus 13 traveling sites. As I stated some states are lower than others. Advent has postings for new grad RN start $24. Travelers posting starting at $31-35, VA this week have tons of LPN, but very few RN posting.

"According to Salary.com, the average nurse starting salary in the United States is $65,775, or $31.62 per hour. "

Nurse Starting Salary | 2023 (https://nurse.org/education/nurse-starting-salary/)

"The average hourly wage for a New Graduate Registered Nurse in the United States is $32 as of December 27, 2022, but the salary range typically falls between $29 and $37."

Hourly wage for New Graduate Registered Nurse | Salary.com (https://www.salary.com/research/salary/posting/new-graduate-registered-nurse-hourly-wages)

[Indydealmaker]

Nobody said “ Stupid People” please don’t put words in my mouth!, that’s how people get broken jaws…. And TWISTING my Post about my pay 10 years ago so others only read your TWISTED SPIN is a recipe for Disaster!

Anger issues?

[jimjamuser]

Why all of a sudden do Villagers need to subsidize Workforce Housing apartments? Plenty of places to live in surrounding towns that house and support the working men and working ladies.. Changing the fabric of a Retirement Community will only cheapen the quality of Retiree life by creating more expenses to draw from a fixed income. Raising the minimum wage has become more than my High Skilled Tradesmen career I had 10 years ago! And this Tipping thing is over, do your job and make me a pizza
That's assuming that ALL the workforce doing jobs in the Villages are HONEST. Some, not so much. Some work as landscapers or lawn cutters by day and come back at night to rob and pillage. What a surprise, some people don't like RICH, entitled, old caucasian people - hard to blame them. Some residents in the old days did NOT even lock their doors when they went out. Today, you NEED security cameras and hidden safes. And going for a several-day trip somewhere and having newspapers pile up is like saying, "please, please break in.

[jimjamuser]

You are NOT subsidizing any workforce housing. Any apartments being built (other than at Brownwood, and they pay fees just like you) are OUTSIDE the Villages. None of your money or fees go to those apartments.

Within the Villages, the non-age-restricted housing is completely separate from the age-restricted housing. They have their own facilities and recreation, completely separate from yours.

The only expense I can think of is that some of your property taxes may be used to build roads and schools. Just like in any city in the country.
How about the increased cost of Police protection? Unless someone thinks that the crime rate for young people isn't higher than for retired people.

[jimjamuser]

There are not plenty of places in the surrounding communities. That is why capitalist entrepreneurs are building new housing. That is why the Morse clan, not stupid people at all, are building more family sections. The work force now comes from afar.

And do you expect us to be so gullible as to believe that you as a "High Skilled Tradesman" were paid less than $11 an hour ten years ago?
A highly skilled tradesman could have been paid less than $11 per hour - IN FLORIDA - probably NOT up NORTH.

[Boomer]

Thank you , I needed that ! Yes the minimum wage here in Florida is on of the lowest in the country…paid in Sunshine dollars….lol
The News does get my goat pretty easily lately, and I’m flipping all channels..that 20.00 per hour Walmart story, possibly took me over the edge, knowing most employees still qualify for supplemental government benefits..I’ll just take a chill pill and try to figure out how to process 20 million illegals getting Social Security numbers and 1099s. It might be less Stressful… anyway Thanks again …


Maybe it's time to think about stepping away from that television "news" -- spun to make viewers angry.

Ever notice how those obscenely paid "news" deliverers hammer -- hammer-- hammer -- tapping into the emotional part of their viewers' brains -- winding up their fans into a heightened state of negative emotion (anger, panic, fear, paranoia)?

Sometimes that constant pounding will tip viewers into a state of urgency -- gotta do something, gotta do it NOW.

Ironically, that constant tapping into negative emotion is the same method used by scammers -- but those who buy into it on a screen of their own choice can't seem to see the parallels. It's all emotional manipulation for money, lots of it. All from the same playbook.

I know someone whose husband spends so much time in front of television "news" that it is changing his personality by negatively affecting his mood, day after day. She cannot convince him to connect the dots, to see the cause-and-effect -- and turn off that &%$#ing television.

Lucy Boomer (Advice 5 Cents)

[jimjamuser]

Disney is paying 20.00 bucks per hour to their Cast members, with 5 % increases every year…frustrating seeing these and other entry level jobs making these wages & pushing that tip jar in our faces… guess I’m just sick & tired of the system bleeding the Retiree on Fixed incomes… I’m comfortable now but the future looks bleak..
Fixed incomes look especially precarious in times (like today) of relatively high INFLATION. And a possible recession could drive down a stock portfolio or an IRA. So, the time to accumulate stocks was probably 2 years ago. Not much to do today to get ahead.........maybe put 5% of ANY investible income into a GOLD ETF......which might (?) allow you to "tread water" or get a little gain.
.......If you can do that or hold relatively big amounts of cash, then wait for the US recession and BUY then.
........It would be nice if growing old were PAINLESS........maybe next world ?

[Robbb]

Starting for for new graduate RN can start at $22-24 hourly rate, state by state, unless you want to work in high crime area, then you get hazard pay.

So why go into health care, when you can work for Disney, get ticket perks, and have a stress free magical day.

Noooo not in Minnesota, starting pay for an RN is app $45, with just a touch of overtime they are in the 100K range.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

How about the increased cost of Police protection? Unless someone thinks that the crime rate for young people isn't higher than for retired people.
As I understand it, the people that own those apartment buildings and other rental income properties pay taxes. I would think that the more properties that exist the more tax monies go into the city, town and county coffers to pay for additional police, fire, schools and other essential services.

[jimjamuser]

Why all of a sudden do Villagers need to subsidize Workforce Housing apartments? Plenty of places to live in surrounding towns that house and support the working men and working ladies.. Changing the fabric of a Retirement Community will only cheapen the quality of Retiree life by creating more expenses to draw from a fixed income. Raising the minimum wage has become more than my High Skilled Tradesmen career I had 10 years ago! And this Tipping thing is over, do your job and make me a pizza
The problem IS that ALL around the country EMPLOYERS are having trouble getting enough employees at the wages that they have become accustomed to paying. Note : real wages with respect to inflation have stagnated for about the last 15 years. However, in the last 2 years, the EMPLOYEES have realized that they have SOME small amount of POWER and they are asking and getting small wage increases.
.....it seems unavoidable that both YOUNGER residents and live-in-the-bubble workers will be an increasing part of life in the NEWER southern regions of the Villages. And just as an aside, both groups may be interested in new sports and activities and less in the longer, bigger GOLF courses. We talked about that in another thread. Face it TV Land is EVOLVING. And that is NOT necessarily a BAD THING.
.......I believe the reason that there are fewer available WORKERS has something to do with the Pandemic because this worker shortage started AFTER the Pandemic. I have NOT heard the exact reason as to WHY many workers got out of the labor market ???????
......It is possible that here in the Villages and especially in the new southern region that the Village Administration decided that they NEEDED to entice workers to come or stay in this area, (WITHOUT greatly increasing their wages) by providing them good local housing benefits. I do NOT know that for a fact, just my guess.

[jimjamuser]

Yep tell that to a 18 yo, that future is more important than the next 4 years. Health care is not the calling it used to be. I have 45 plus years in Operating Room, and counting. The reason hospitals are short is many retired during the two year hiatus of Covid. With the option of returning, however most chose to just walk away.

We could see what every position made in my system that owned 300 plus facilities, all over the country. It was incentive to post hourly wages from starting to top. Oncology for an RN, not much up grade.

ICU, ED, OR, are at the middle, depending on added on certification. However, $100,000 isn’t in any RN scale. NP, ORNP, PA, PAOR, can make six figures, but not all.

House RN mom, which was mid management, but never enough money to put up with all the crap.
Even with many of us working 60 plus hours a week durning Covid, $100,000 was never in the mix. Many were furloughed or hours cut.

Both of us have 45 years each in multi healthcare facilities, our kids, are Doctors, PAOR and RNOR, certified.

Granddaughter is started med school this year, trauma orthopedic is her passion, like her grandfather. But conversation this weekend was “ I just figured out by the time I finish residency, I will be $700,000 in debt”. And then I still have to enter into my trauma orthopedics specialty.

She said sometimes she questions debt could reach a million dollars and will it worth it. Then she goes to cadaver lab, sees how fractured bones could have been repaired better, and knows it’s all worth the money,
University and College Presidents and their staff make WAY too much money. But, people want DESPERATELY to get an education and a degree so that THEY, in turn, can make the BIG bucks. It's kind of like a human hampster wheel.

[jimjamuser]

And I remember when the 10% tip was the norm which then went to 15% and then 18% and now everyone is pushing 20%. Thankfully they do the math now and make tip suggestions on the check in case you can’t do math. All the while the base cost of the meal goes up and up and up. And why carrying a plate of porterhouse steak to your table warrants a higher tip than that plate of meatloaf makes no sense to me at all. Tip based on level of service not on the cost of the plat.
I NEVER liked the concept of tips when I figured they were STUPID at about 7th grade. But, I am an outlier.

[jimjamuser]

I NEVER liked the concept of tips when I figured they were STUPID at about 7th grade. But, I am an outlier.
Sorry....duplicate

[jimjamuser]

OP managed to cover 3 complaints in one post.

Housing
Minimum Wage
Tipping

Maybe OP had a bad day or just needs to let up on consuming the media a little bit.

So TV is not paying for the housing.

The minimum wage in Florida is one of the lowest in the country.

Tipping is always optional.

I hope you have a better day.
Possibly OVER-caffination ?

[jimjamuser]

Thank you , I needed that ! Yes the minimum wage here in Florida is on of the lowest in the country…paid in Sunshine dollars….lol
The News does get my goat pretty easily lately, and I’m flipping all channels..that 20.00 per hour Walmart story, possibly took me over the edge, knowing most employees still qualify for supplemental government benefits..I’ll just take a chill pill and try to figure out how to process 20 million illegals getting Social Security numbers and 1099s. It might be less Stressful… anyway Thanks again …
Not sure that it is 20 million, but whatever, any number IS too much for me.....we agree about that. And that will influence wage structure and hospital costs and a multitude of situations.

[jimjamuser]

Let’s see, Villagers complain about service at restaurants… mostly due to lack of staff. I note some FB posts recently where a few of the CC restaurants cancelled breakfast service due to lack of staff. We were at Cody’s mid week. We can tell the staff was short. Handed. Our server was out of breath a few times coming to our table so her tips could suffer as the time between visits were too long.

I digress… Wildwood and other towns around the villages see and hear about short staffed establishments and decide to subsidize housing for more minimum wage workers. Is that any different that the state and cities giving large tax credits to large corporations to bring their businesses to FL? Subsidized housing is the same IMHO just 1-2 people at a time.

Also IMHO, the service is very good in and around the villages (with some exceptions) as I compare it to Denver/Aurora where we moved from… seems to me more hard working folks want to get out of poverty or just struggling workers vs. workers that have more of an entitled mindset… but just my $.02.
With inflation, that would NOW be $ .035

[jimjamuser]

The cleaning ladies gave me an estimate of $120 for 2 Bedrooms, 2 bath rooms, kitchen, open dining/living room and den. They (there were 3 of them) were here for 45 minutes !!! That's over $40 an hour. Did they clean very well ? NO. They are not coming back.
Please clean your own place or get a smaller place. You can't complain about those who you are creating a magnet for by paying them.

[jimjamuser]

Look out everyone....Popeye's gonna eat some spinach!!!!!:boxing2:
That was EXTREMELY humorous. It lightened things up nicely.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by RICH1 [edited]
Why all of a sudden do Villagers need to subsidize Workforce Housing apartments? Plenty of places to live in surrounding towns that house and support the working men and working ladies.. ... Raising the minimum wage has become more than my High Skilled Tradesmen career I had 10 years ago! ...

Reply by Blueash:
[edited]. That is why capitalist entrepreneurs are building new housing. That is why the Morse clan, not stupid people at all, are building more family sections. The work force now comes from afar.

And do you expect us to be so gullible as to believe that you as a "High Skilled Tradesman" were paid less than $11 an hour ten years ago?



I said the Morse clan members are not stupid people.. Why are you threatening me and suggesting that my recognition of their financial skills should cause you or anyone to break my jaw. Or maybe you don't read well and somehow think I called you stupid or suggested you thought the Morses were stupid. I did not do either of those things. Read what I wrote again. See post #4

And then you threaten me with disaster??? What is wrong with you? I did not twist your comment which despite the poor wording seems to say that the minimum wage today is higher than your salary 10 years ago. If that is not the meaning of "the minimum wage has become more than my High Skilled Tradesmen career I had 10 years ago" you write very unclearly.
Then you accuse me of only presenting my TWISTED SPIN when I 100% completely included your exact words in my post which is so obvious I don't know how you can make up such a lie about what I wrote. Again see post #4 where your entire post is included above my comment.
Please consider why you need to threaten physical violence even if someone did call you stupid or suggest why a disaster is somehow forthcoming if someone misquotes your words. Wow, just Wow.
True.......that the wording WAS confusing.

[jimjamuser]

"Please consider why you need to threaten physical violence even if someone did call you stupid or suggest why a disaster is somehow forthcoming if someone misquotes your words. Wow, just Wow."


I can only assume that there aren't any mods around right now, because they normally would have instantly deleted that threatening post, as they're usually pretty good about keeping impotent keyboard warriors/extremists from getting away with things like that...which was beyond the pale.
As usual, a voice of reason !

[jimjamuser]

Maybe it's time to think about stepping away from that television "news" -- spun to make viewers angry.

Ever notice how those obscenely paid "news" deliverers hammer -- hammer-- hammer -- tapping into the emotional part of their viewers' brains -- winding up their fans into a heightened state of negative emotion (anger, panic, fear, paranoia)?

Sometimes that constant pounding will tip viewers into a state of urgency -- gotta do something, gotta do it NOW.

Ironically, that constant tapping into negative emotion is the same method used by scammers -- but those who buy into it on a screen of their own choice can't seem to see the parallels. It's all emotional manipulation for money, lots of it. All from the same playbook.

I know someone whose husband spends so much time in front of television "news" that it is changing his personality by negatively affecting his mood, day after day. She cannot convince him to connect the dots, to see the cause-and-effect -- and turn off that &%$#ing television.

Lucy Boomer (Advice 5 Cents)
Facebook uses sophisticated, SECRET programming to try to KEEP users on for longer and longer periods of time. Thus exposing them to more advertisements. They have found that anger and other emotions get users to move away from the middle of the road to more and more extremes of thought. And NOT just Facebook. When this programming strategy aligns with users with mental problems, then society suffers. I believe that the US is experiencing a large number of murders and serious crime to start 2023. And 2022 had those same problems.
.......I believe that America is doing a worse job of controlling internet media that the Europeans. Also, we lead the world in FIREARMS by a HUGE margin. that is another factor that works against the US.

[jimjamuser]

As I understand it, the people that own those apartment buildings and other rental income properties pay taxes. I would think that the more properties that exist the more tax monies go into the city, town and county coffers to pay for additional police, fire, schools and other essential services.
I doubt that there is a simple LINEAR relationship between the population of any city or area like The Villages and the tax money NEEDED to be collected. For example, it takes MORE equipment and specialized people to fight 5 story fires than all single story. Most everything has a bell-shaped curve, so some amounts of population would be more or less efficient than some other points. For example, younger families would have more children than senior residents , therefore requiring more schools, classrooms, and buses.
..... A lot of factors would have to be analyzed to determine the optimal quality of life and the most efficient use of taxes. Growth for growth's sake might NOT be optimal.

[Vermilion Villager]

The best and most hilarious part being, the "entitled" poster actually thanked you! LOL Methinks he doesn't quite understand your dead on comment on his post.

:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[JMintzer]

That's assuming that ALL the workforce doing jobs in the Villages are HONEST. Some, not so much. Some work as landscapers or lawn cutters by day and come back at night to rob and pillage. What a surprise, some people don't like RICH, entitled, old caucasian people - hard to blame them. Some residents in the old days did NOT even lock their doors when they went out. Today, you NEED security cameras and hidden safes. And going for a several-day trip somewhere and having newspapers pile up is like saying, "please, please break in.

I've had security systems, stopped newspapers when away, and locked my doors for decades... My parents did the same when I was a child...

I't not an issue unique to TV...

[JMintzer]

How about the increased cost of Police protection? Unless someone thinks that the crime rate for young people isn't higher than for retired people.

Paid for by the increased tax revenue the new residents pay into the system...

[JMintzer]

A highly skilled tradesman could have been paid less than $11 per hour - IN FLORIDA - probably NOT up NORTH.

Not according to the Google Machine"...

https://www.cisco.org/wp-content/pdf/IBEW90513.pdf

[JMintzer]

The problem IS that ALL around the country EMPLOYERS are having trouble getting enough employees at the wages that they have become accustomed to paying. Note : real wages with respect to inflation have stagnated for about the last 15 years. However, in the last 2 years, the EMPLOYEES have realized that they have SOME small amount of POWER and they are asking and getting small wage increases.
.....it seems unavoidable that both YOUNGER residents and live-in-the-bubble workers will be an increasing part of life in the NEWER southern regions of the Villages. And just as an aside, both groups may be interested in new sports and activities and less in the longer, bigger GOLF courses. We talked about that in another thread. Face it TV Land is EVOLVING. And that is NOT necessarily a BAD THING.
.......I believe the reason that there are fewer available WORKERS has something to do with the Pandemic because this worker shortage started AFTER the Pandemic. I have NOT heard the exact reason as to WHY many workers got out of the labor market ???????
......It is possible that here in the Villages and especially in the new southern region that the Village Administration decided that they NEEDED to entice workers to come or stay in this area, (WITHOUT greatly increasing their wages) by providing them good local housing benefits. I do NOT know that for a fact, just my guess.

REAL WAGES were at an ALL TIME HIGH until about 2 years ago...

And contrary to what you THINK, REAL wages have DROPPED in the past year, due to the RECENT massive inflation, which was extremely low just a few years back (1.4%, IIFC, vs 8.9% last Summer/Fall)...

And The VILLAGES isn't PROVIDING anything. They are building houses for sale to families. And exactly what jobs are the villages supplying at minimum wage (other than part time rec center and golf course jobs)?

And new sports? You mean like "rock climbing" and "roller blade obstacle courses"? AKA, "broken hip specials"? We get it, you hate golf, but your incessant bashing and false claims about the sport are getting tiresome...

[JMintzer]

University and College Presidents and their staff make WAY too much money. But, people want DESPERATELY to get an education and a degree so that THEY, in turn, can make the BIG bucks. It's kind of like a human hampster wheel.

Yes, all of those "gender studies" degrees will get them the BIG bucks, working at Starbucks...

But I'll agree on university staff wasting money... The administration costs for colleges have SKYROCKETED, with no effect on the quality of education...

"Between 2004 and 2014, the University only expanded the number of tenured or tenure-track faculty by 8 percent. During the same period, administrative faculty grew by a whopping 60 percent."

Administrative bloat, budget mismanagement explain UC’s falling global rankings - Daily Bruin (https://dailybruin.com/2018/09/19/administrative-bloat-budget-mismanagement-explain-ucs-falling-global-rankings)

"During the 1980-1981 school year, public and private institutions spent $20.7 billion in total on instruction, and $13 billion on academic support, student services and institutional support combined, according to data from the National Center for Educational Statistics. By the 2014-2015 school year, total instructional costs had climbed to $148 billion, while the same grouping of administrative expenses had risen to $122.3 billion."

Bureaucrats And Buildings: The Case For Why College Is So Expensive (https://www.forbes.com/sites/carolinesimon/2017/09/05/bureaucrats-and-buildings-the-case-for-why-college-is-so-expensive/?sh=38f93cf1456a)

[JMintzer]

I NEVER liked the concept of tips when I figured they were STUPID at about 7th grade. But, I am an outlier.

I'm sure your waitstaff appreciates that...

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Why all of a sudden do Villagers need to subsidize Workforce Housing apartments? Plenty of places to live in surrounding towns that house and support the working men and working ladies.. Changing the fabric of a Retirement Community will only cheapen the quality of Retiree life by creating more expenses to draw from a fixed income. Raising the minimum wage has become more than my High Skilled Tradesmen career I had 10 years ago! And this Tipping thing is over, do your job and make me a pizza

If you really were paid only $11/hour 10 years ago as a "high skilled tradesman" then you were either a) grossly underpaid or b) not skilled at all.

*I* was paid more than that as a part-time office associate 10 years ago, as an entry level employee in an electrician's office. I did the payroll. I know what the actual "high skilled tradesmen" made 10 years ago. It was around $28/hour. Plumbers were making $55/hour. A journeyman printer was earning around $20/hour in their first year, up to $45/hour after 20 years work in the same company. Carpenters were making more than $20/hour. Roofers - more than $15/hour. Construction workers - definitely more than $20/hour, that's union work.

So - you were either being cheated, or you are misrepresenting your own abilities.

[JMintzer]

Please clean your own place or get a smaller place. You can't complain about those who you are creating a magnet for by paying them.

But you CAN complain about not getting enough for your money...

We have a cleaning company in TV (and up North).

The one in TV comes when the boss is down for more than a month. Fair price, for an excellent job.

Same with up north. A much bigger home, so it costs more. Again, a fair price for excellent work. Add to than, the same women have been coming for about 15 years, and we don't have to worry about theft...

[JMintzer]

Please clean your own place or get a smaller place. You can't complain about those who you are creating a magnet for by paying them.

Also, Some people are not physically able to do the work to scrub toilets and such...

[JMintzer]

I doubt that there is a simple LINEAR relationship between the population of any city or area like The Villages and the tax money NEEDED to be collected. For example, it takes MORE equipment and specialized people to fight 5 story fires than all single story. Most everything has a bell-shaped curve, so some amounts of population would be more or less efficient than some other points. For example, younger families would have more children than senior residents , therefore requiring more schools, classrooms, and buses.
..... A lot of factors would have to be analyzed to determine the optimal quality of life and the most efficient use of taxes. Growth for growth's sake might NOT be optimal.

And who is it that is paying to build those brand spankin' new schools, that will able to handle more than DOUBLE the # of students, right off 470?

Let's see, I knew it yesterday...

https://media4.giphy.com/media/777Aby0ZetYE8/giphy.gif

[CoachKandSportsguy]

Maybe it's time to think about stepping away from that television "news" -- spun to make viewers angry.

Ever notice how those obscenely paid "news" deliverers hammer -- hammer-- hammer -- tapping into the emotional part of their viewers' brains -- winding up their fans into a heightened state of negative emotion (anger, panic, fear, paranoia)?

Sometimes that constant pounding will tip viewers into a state of urgency -- gotta do something, gotta do it NOW.

Ironically, that constant tapping into negative emotion is the same method used by scammers -- but those who buy into it on a screen of their own choice can't seem to see the parallels. It's all emotional manipulation for money, lots of it. All from the same playbook.

I know someone whose husband spends so much time in front of television "news" that it is changing his personality by negatively affecting his mood, day after day. She cannot convince him to connect the dots, to see the cause-and-effect -- and turn off that &%$#ing television.

Lucy Boomer (Advice 5 Cents)

yes, totally agree, and good post! That's why I stopped watching local /national news, and stuck with financial and sports news. . . My intuition says you are doing well with the behavioral finance and economics. .

[Kgcetm]

You don’t have to tip. And if you do, you decide how much.

[mkjelenbaas]

Why all of a sudden do Villagers need to subsidize Workforce Housing apartments? Plenty of places to live in surrounding towns that house and support the working men and working ladies.. Changing the fabric of a Retirement Community will only cheapen the quality of Retiree life by creating more expenses to draw from a fixed income. Raising the minimum wage has become more than my High Skilled Tradesmen career I had 10 years ago! And this Tipping thing is over, do your job and make me a pizza
Help me out - where are some of the areas that you mention where the work force could live - just wondering.

[RosiePosie]

The cleaning ladies gave me an estimate of $120 for 2 Bedrooms, 2 bath rooms, kitchen, open dining/living room and den. They (there were 3 of them) were here for 45 minutes !!! That's over $40 an hour. Did they clean very well ? NO. They are not coming back.
Could you please share the company name.

[VApeople]

Help me out - where are some of the areas that you mention where the work force could live - just wondering.

One of the areas is Wildwood.

If you drive along Powell Road (Route 462) you will see a lot of new housing being built. Going west along 466A you will see Beaumont and Tradewinds with a lot of new housing.

[Marine1974]

Well said . Some people think they deserve to have others serve them for peanuts and then complain when there are labor shortages. Entitlement

[Snprentice]

Agree

[conman5652@aol.com]

Did u really count them or is another overstatement by Fox News

[Vermilion Villager]

One of the areas is Wildwood.

If you drive along Powell Road (Route 462) you will see a lot of new housing being built. Going west along 466A you will see Beaumont and Tradewinds with a lot of new housing.
Go online and check out the prices… They start at $1395 a month plus utilities. You have to have first and last months rent, and a security deposit that amounts to one months rent. That's $4185 just to get into the place… Then you have to pay the rent. Now take into consideration what the average unskilled worker is getting. Somewhere between $10 an hour and $15 an hour is the norm. Assuming the high end at $15 an hour and 30 hours a week. That is $450 a week or $1800 a month. 77% of your gross income just went for the rent alone. I'm sure someone will then mention the tips to make up the difference. The original poster who believes that they shouldn't even be tipped and just shut up and serve him his pizza. Hopefully with that attitude "the help" will not serve him a complementary piece of chocolate pie. (movie goers know what I'm talking about):mmmm:

[DebMil]

Correct
I do not mind the all ages. It will bring in more doctors, nurses etc, who could not live here before with their kids.

My only objection, is that they will crowd up our rec centers even more than they are now. In the Villages, I don' t believe they will say no to a Mom 30 yo and her child of 10 for cardio drumming.

Senior classes should be senior and the same in reverse. We do require a bit of specialization in our class due to restrictions.

[retiredguy123]

I do not mind the all ages. It will bring in more doctors, nurses etc, who could not live here before with their kids.

My only objection, is that they will crowd up our rec centers even more than they are now. In the Villages, I don' t believe they will say no to a Mom 30 yo and her child of 10 for cardio drumming.

Senior classes should be senior and the same in reverse. We do require a bit of specialization in our class due to restrictions.
You need a Villages ID to use the rec centers. I didn't think these workers were able to get an ID.

[JMintzer]

Did u really count them or is another overstatement by Fox News

"FOX News"! Everybody drink!

[JMintzer]

I do not mind the all ages. It will bring in more doctors, nurses etc, who could not live here before with their kids.

My only objection, is that they will crowd up our rec centers even more than they are now. In the Villages, I don' t believe they will say no to a Mom 30 yo and her child of 10 for cardio drumming.

Senior classes should be senior and the same in reverse. We do require a bit of specialization in our class due to restrictions.

You need a Villages ID to use the rec centers. I didn't think these workers were able to get an ID.

Retiredguy is correct. They will not pay amenity fees nor be about to use the amenities...

The family housing TV is building will have their own pools, rec centers, etc...

[Caymus]

Retiredguy is correct. They will not pay amenity fees nor be about to use the amenities...

The family housing TV is building will have their own pools, rec centers, etc...

.....but what if their rec centers are "better"??? :smiley::smiley::smiley::smiley:

[jimjamuser]

I've had security systems, stopped newspapers when away, and locked my doors for decades... My parents did the same when I was a child...

I't not an issue unique to TV...
Actually, 7 years ago most people could leave their doors open here in La,La Land and keys in golf carts. it is relatively recently that crime has caught up with the "Bubble" here. Parts of New Jersey and New York seem to have been high crime areas for maybe 4 generations.

[Aces4]

Actually, 7 years ago most people could leave their doors open here in La,La Land and keys in golf carts. it is relatively recently that crime has caught up with the "Bubble" here. Parts of New Jersey and New York seem to have been high crime areas for maybe 4 generations.

Bah, we’ve seen crime here 7 years ago and prior to that. More people, more crime.

[jimjamuser]

REAL WAGES were at an ALL TIME HIGH until about 2 years ago...

And contrary to what you THINK, REAL wages have DROPPED in the past year, due to the RECENT massive inflation, which was extremely low just a few years back (1.4%, IIFC, vs 8.9% last Summer/Fall)...

And The VILLAGES isn't PROVIDING anything. They are building houses for sale to families. And exactly what jobs are the villages supplying at minimum wage (other than part time rec center and golf course jobs)?

And new sports? You mean like "rock climbing" and "roller blade obstacle courses"? AKA, "broken hip specials"? We get it, you hate golf, but your incessant bashing and false claims about the sport are getting tiresome...
The 1st sentence IS true, but misleading. Wages were high in terms of actual dollars. But, wages have been STAGNATE in terms of CONSTANT DOLLARS for at least the last 20 years. Constant dollars factor in inflation, which even back 2 years or more had been moving at about a 2% CLIP year over year. Constant dollars give a person the idea of what could have BEEN purchased say for 10 dollars in 1990 and how much LESS you can buy with $10 today.
.......In other words, money CHANGES VALUE over time. IN 1965 if I looked around I could buy a running (with some cosmetic problems) USED automobile for $600. I even purchased a 1981 station wagon AUDI with a slant FIVE engine in about 1995 for $600. Today $ 600 will barely buy you a nice new bicycle.
.........The reason I "bash" golf is that I don't consider it a sport - much like shooting pool. Pool is a skill not a sport. Golf is just played on a BIGGER green table. Which wastes good forest land, but I digress. I just find it humorous how SO MANY people in V Land go ALL ga,ga over GOLF. it's like follow the leader......you golf so I MUST FOLLOW AND golf. Golf has some small redeaming qualities. I have sometimes at twilight when no one is looking......taken out a 9 iron and a plastic ball and hit it around a park and ran after it. I have even used a real golf ball and hit some 9 iron shots on a nearby fairway.SSSHHHHUUUSSSHHHH don't DARE tell anyone, I don't want to ruin my reputation. Golf NEEDS people like me to balance out all the Ga, Ga men golfers, and all the Lady GA GA golfers. See how I got to the punch line. Anyone, anyone.

[Aces4]

The 1st sentence IS true, but misleading. Wages were high in terms of actual dollars. But, wages have been STAGNATE in terms of CONSTANT DOLLARS for at least the last 20 years. Constant dollars factor in inflation, which even back 2 years or more had been moving at about a 2% CLIP year over year. Constant dollars give a person the idea of what could have BEEN purchased say for 10 dollars in 1990 and how much LESS you can buy with $10 today.
.......In other words, money CHANGES VALUE over time. IN 1965 if I looked around I could buy a running (with some cosmetic problems) USED automobile for $600. I even purchased a 1981 station wagon AUDI with a slant FIVE engine in about 1995 for $600. Today $ 600 will barely buy you a nice new bicycle.

Full-time loan officer in a bank in 1965 made less than $5,000 gross.

[jimjamuser]

Yes, all of those "gender studies" degrees will get them the BIG bucks, working at Starbucks...

But I'll agree on university staff wasting money... The administration costs for colleges have SKYROCKETED, with no effect on the quality of education...

"Between 2004 and 2014, the University only expanded the number of tenured or tenure-track faculty by 8 percent. During the same period, administrative faculty grew by a whopping 60 percent."

Administrative bloat, budget mismanagement explain UC’s falling global rankings - Daily Bruin (https://dailybruin.com/2018/09/19/administrative-bloat-budget-mismanagement-explain-ucs-falling-global-rankings)

"During the 1980-1981 school year, public and private institutions spent $20.7 billion in total on instruction, and $13 billion on academic support, student services and institutional support combined, according to data from the National Center for Educational Statistics. By the 2014-2015 school year, total instructional costs had climbed to $148 billion, while the same grouping of administrative expenses had risen to $122.3 billion."

Bureaucrats And Buildings: The Case For Why College Is So Expensive (https://www.forbes.com/sites/carolinesimon/2017/09/05/bureaucrats-and-buildings-the-case-for-why-college-is-so-expensive/?sh=38f93cf1456a)
Yes, actually we agree on another something....strange they must be putting something in the water of La, La Land. University Admins are MILKING THE SYSTEM. And do we know WHY and WHEN ? Anyone, anyone? I the 1980s DE CEO Jack "the welcher" Welsh made a salary of $ 350 MILLION buckos, me bucko. And, the story continues, the University Presidents decided that if Jack "the jerk" could make THAT much money why can't they interc----- the system also? Then the US was off to the races with the GRAND GOAL of being the country with the biggest SALARY discrepancy between the upper 1% and the middle and lower class worker, SALARY SLAVES !!!!!
.........So here we now stand - Back in the US of A working our way to "back in the USSR oh, how happy we are"

[Kenswing]

Yes, actually we agree on another something....strange they must be putting something in the water of La, La Land. University Admins are MILKING THE SYSTEM. And do we know WHY and WHEN ? Anyone, anyone? I the 1980s DE CEO Jack "the welcher" Welsh made a salary of $ 350 MILLION buckos, me bucko. And, the story continues, the University Presidents decided that if Jack "the jerk" could make THAT much money why can't they interc----- the system also? Then the US was off to the races with the GRAND GOAL of being the country with the biggest SALARY discrepancy between the upper 1% and the middle and lower class worker, SALARY SLAVES !!!!!
.........So here we now stand - Back in the US of A working our way to "back in the USSR oh, how happy we are"
It was the student loan program. Once anyone could borrow enough money to go to school colleges started spending like drunken sailors and raising tuition to cover their excesses. Now we have a generation with more debt than their degrees can pay for.

[Vermilion Villager]

Yes, actually we agree on another something....strange they must be putting something in the water of La, La Land. University Admins are MILKING THE SYSTEM. And do we know WHY and WHEN ? Anyone, anyone? I the 1980s DE CEO Jack "the welcher" Welsh made a salary of $ 350 MILLION buckos, me bucko. And, the story continues, the University Presidents decided that if Jack "the jerk" could make THAT much money why can't they interc----- the system also? Then the US was off to the races with the GRAND GOAL of being the country with the biggest SALARY discrepancy between the upper 1% and the middle and lower class worker, SALARY SLAVES !!!!!
.........So here we now stand - Back in the US of A working our way to "back in the USSR oh, how happy we are"
I'll have what he's drinking! :loco:

[jimjamuser]

I'm sure your waitstaff appreciates that...
I am my waitstaff.......we cook for ourselves and eat on paper plates as I watch the Nicole Wallace show or get ready to work on the house or the yard. Or I sit at a keyboard and PRETEND to be as smart as a couple of Medical Doctors..........but I keep coming in 3rd place in that pack. Poor, poor Mr. Irrelevant me !!!!!
........Since the Pandemic I have not even been to Paneras, which is my idea of a $600 dinner. They do (or did) have killer COFFEE to die for.

[jimjamuser]

But you CAN complain about not getting enough for your money...

We have a cleaning company in TV (and up North).

The one in TV comes when the boss is down for more than a month. Fair price, for an excellent job.

Same with up north. A much bigger home, so it costs more. Again, a fair price for excellent work. Add to than, the same women have been coming for about 15 years, and we don't have to worry about theft...
Cool !

[jimjamuser]

Also, Some people are not physically able to do the work to scrub toilets and such...
Yes, of course, that goes understood.

[jimjamuser]

And who is it that is paying to build those brand spankin' new schools, that will able to handle more than DOUBLE the # of students, right off 470?

Let's see, I knew it yesterday...

https://media4.giphy.com/media/777Aby0ZetYE8/giphy.gif
Property taxes normally, which are progressive so those (OF YOU) with lots of property (2 homes) pay the most for school taxes. So riddle me this Batphysician.........would that INCENTIVIZE LARGE property owners to eliminate Vocation Ed ( too expensive) and force ALL students to bend toward academic fields (even though they are good with their hands). Incentivize large owners to put people on the school board to keep public school budgets low. And encourage private schools.

I imagine that SOME will find flaws with my dissertation. Anyone, anyone ?????

[jimjamuser]

Could you please share the company name.
Sure. In the Yellow Pages, look for LA La Land Servitude Inc.

[jimjamuser]

Well said . Some people think they deserve to have others serve them for peanuts and then complain when there are labor shortages. Entitlement
Wow !!!!!! An actual something to agree on. Whooppee Beejangles Batman!

[jimjamuser]

I do not mind the all ages. It will bring in more doctors, nurses etc, who could not live here before with their kids.

My only objection, is that they will crowd up our rec centers even more than they are now. In the Villages, I don' t believe they will say no to a Mom 30 yo and her child of 10 for cardio drumming.

Senior classes should be senior and the same in reverse. We do require a bit of specialization in our class due to restrictions.
Well stated.

[jimjamuser]

.....but what if their rec centers are "better"??? :smiley::smiley::smiley::smiley:
Oh, a Shakespearian Tragedy is forthcoming. Foresouthe.

[jimjamuser]

It was the student loan program. Once anyone could borrow enough money to go to school colleges started spending like drunken sailors and raising tuition to cover their excesses. Now we have a generation with more debt than their degrees can pay for.
I agree. Yes, part of the reason. There IS something being put into our water........people are agreeing. Wow, I am going to start a Hippy Commune for over age 55 dudes and dudesses and Ludites and lewdites. High five !!

[JMintzer]

Actually, 7 years ago most people could leave their doors open here in La,La Land and keys in golf carts. it is relatively recently that crime has caught up with the "Bubble" here. Parts of New Jersey and New York seem to have been high crime areas for maybe 4 generations.

I wouldn't know. I've never lived in either of those places...

And statistics will show that when you increase the population by X%, crime will also increase by X%...

[JMintzer]

The 1st sentence IS true, but misleading. Wages were high in terms of actual dollars. But, wages have been STAGNATE in terms of CONSTANT DOLLARS for at least the last 20 years. Constant dollars factor in inflation, which even back 2 years or more had been moving at about a 2% CLIP year over year. Constant dollars give a person the idea of what could have BEEN purchased say for 10 dollars in 1990 and how much LESS you can buy with $10 today.
.......In other words, money CHANGES VALUE over time. IN 1965 if I looked around I could buy a running (with some cosmetic problems) USED automobile for $600. I even purchased a 1981 station wagon AUDI with a slant FIVE engine in about 1995 for $600. Today $ 600 will barely buy you a nice new bicycle.
.........The reason I "bash" golf is that I don't consider it a sport - much like shooting pool. Pool is a skill not a sport. Golf is just played on a BIGGER green table. Which wastes good forest land, but I digress. I just find it humorous how SO MANY people in V Land go ALL ga,ga over GOLF. it's like follow the leader......you golf so I MUST FOLLOW AND golf. Golf has some small redeaming qualities. I have sometimes at twilight when no one is looking......taken out a 9 iron and a plastic ball and hit it around a park and ran after it. I have even used a real golf ball and hit some 9 iron shots on a nearby fairway.SSSHHHHUUUSSSHHHH don't DARE tell anyone, I don't want to ruin my reputation. Golf NEEDS people like me to balance out all the Ga, Ga men golfers, and all the Lady GA GA golfers. See how I got to the punch line. Anyone, anyone.

More nonsense...

REAL wages were increasing AHEAD of inflation. That means the average American was INCREASING their purchase power.

You comparing prices from almost 60 years ago means nothing.

In 1985, I was paid $9500 as a resident... My first year in practice, I made $25K...

None of that means a thing today...

To your second "point"...

Sport:

noun

1. an activity involving physical exertion and skill in which an individual or team competes against another or others for entertainment.

Since you've never played the game, you haven't a clue as to the actual physical exertion and hand-eye coordination needed to play competitively... (a 9 iron and a plastic ball doesn't count...)

[JMintzer]

Yes, actually we agree on another something....strange they must be putting something in the water of La, La Land. University Admins are MILKING THE SYSTEM. And do we know WHY and WHEN ? Anyone, anyone? I the 1980s DE CEO Jack "the welcher" Welsh made a salary of $ 350 MILLION buckos, me bucko. And, the story continues, the University Presidents decided that if Jack "the jerk" could make THAT much money why can't they interc----- the system also? Then the US was off to the races with the GRAND GOAL of being the country with the biggest SALARY discrepancy between the upper 1% and the middle and lower class worker, SALARY SLAVES !!!!!
.........So here we now stand - Back in the US of A working our way to "back in the USSR oh, how happy we are"

What in god's green earth does the CEO of GE have to do with colleges hiring un-needed "social justice" administrators?

And that led to "SALARY SLAVES"??? :loco::loco::loco:

[JMintzer]

It was the student loan program. Once anyone could borrow enough money to go to school colleges started spending like drunken sailors and raising tuition to cover their excesses. Now we have a generation with more debt than their degrees can pay for.

Yup! Every time the gubmint raised how much you could borrow, schools increased tuition by a similar amount...

But that doesn't take into account that less and less money is being spent on actually teaching the students as more and more money is being spent on useless administrators...

[JMintzer]

Property taxes normally, which are progressive so those (OF YOU) with lots of property (2 homes) pay the most for school taxes. So riddle me this Batphysician.........would that INCENTIVIZE LARGE property owners to eliminate Vocation Ed ( too expensive) and force ALL students to bend toward academic fields (even though they are good with their hands). Incentivize large owners to put people on the school board to keep public school budgets low. And encourage private schools.

I imagine that SOME will find flaws with my dissertation. Anyone, anyone ?????

BZZZT! Nope. It's those "GREEDY" developers, paying for the schools out of their own pocket...


P.S. Your envy is also duly noted... (Not an attractive trait...)

BTW, you should be grateful that I own two homes. That means, while I pay full property taxes and amenity fees year round, I only use the services "part time"... You're welcome...

[JMintzer]

It was the student loan program. Once anyone could borrow enough money to go to school colleges started spending like drunken sailors and raising tuition to cover their excesses. Now we have a generation with more debt than their degrees can pay for.

Except drunken sailors stop spending when they run out of money...:p

[Ndomines]

Chill

[jimjamuser]

I wouldn't know. I've never lived in either of those places...

And statistics will show that when you increase the population by X%, crime will also increase by X%...
I am a person that believes the optimal population of the US SHOULD be about 250 million peeps. I am aware that I am an outlier on this and am "spitting in the wind". That said, let me finish with this........If you have 1X number of people and you the add 1X number of illegal immigrants with no education or shots and disease then you end up with 2.5 times the crime. Now, before someone calls me a racist, let me say that I think the same thing would apply if the illegals were Canadians or Swedish. It's the number of peeps that is the problem.....POPULATION. Every animal species has a HOLDING CAPACITY which depends on their range and territory (like wolves) and also like the human population in the US OVER 250 MILLION.
.......But, America has a FRONTIER mentality (too many John Wayne movies). And builders of estates can't help themselves - they build til they drop. Remember everything about America IS........bigger is better. Bigger homes, bigger cars, louder motorcycles, bigger cell phones, bigger waistlines, bigger appetites, get an operation and have BIGGER bust and whatever !

[JMintzer]

I am a person that believes the optimal population of the US SHOULD be about 250 million peeps. I am aware that I am an outlier on this and am "spitting in the wind". That said, let me finish with this........If you have 1X number of people and you the add 1X number of illegal immigrants with no education or shots and disease then you end up with 2.5 times the crime. Now, before someone calls me a racist, let me say that I think the same thing would apply if the illegals were Canadians or Swedish. It's the number of peeps that is the problem.....POPULATION. Every animal species has a HOLDING CAPACITY which depends on their range and territory (like wolves) and also like the human population in the US OVER 250 MILLION.
.......But, America has a FRONTIER mentality (too many John Wayne movies). And builders of estates can't help themselves - they build til they drop. Remember everything about America IS........bigger is better. Bigger homes, bigger cars, louder motorcycles, bigger cell phones, bigger waistlines, bigger appetites, get an operation and have BIGGER bust and whatever !

1+1 = 2.5? That's some interesting math you got going on there...

But I'm glad to see you're fore securing the border...

And if you think it's only "America" who think "bigger is better", you haven't traveled much...

[jimjamuser]

More nonsense...

REAL wages were increasing AHEAD of inflation. That means the average American was INCREASING their purchase power.

You comparing prices from almost 60 years ago means nothing.

In 1985, I was paid $9500 as a resident... My first year in practice, I made $25K...

None of that means a thing today...

To your second "point"...

Sport:

noun

1. an activity involving physical exertion and skill in which an individual or team competes against another or others for entertainment.

Since you've never played the game, you haven't a clue as to the actual physical exertion and hand-eye coordination needed to play competitively... (a 9 iron and a plastic ball doesn't count...)
Oh, too bad, i can hit a plastic ball 9 iron with the best of them. An accurate 30 yards.
.......And get a new recent History and economics teacher because Real wages have ONLY increased in the last 2 years. No real change (taking inflation into consideration since 1990. And I have covered ALL that in prior posts. Maybe I need to water down the economic vocabulary.
........So, you admit that back then, you were just PRACTICING! Sorry, I could NOT resist that Bad, old Doctor joke.

[jimjamuser]

I'll have what he's drinking! :loco:
I have been drinking coffee to the point of being a fully caffeinated and functional human being. The drug of choice for the bottom 90% of the economic food chain. Pure Puerto Rican coffee beans, mis Amigos and Amigas.
Also, the drug of choice for the construction and mill workers of America. I believe that Native Americans had an upper-type similar. History, anyone, anyone?

[jimjamuser]

What in god's green earth does the CEO of GE have to do with colleges hiring un-needed "social justice" administrators?

And that led to "SALARY SLAVES"??? :loco::loco::loco:
I would POLITELY suggest that my post should be re-read !

[jimjamuser]

Yup! Every time the gubmint raised how much you could borrow, schools increased tuition by a similar amount...

But that doesn't take into account that less and less money is being spent on actually teaching the students as more and more money is being spent on useless administrators...
I abso-toot-ly agree with that last sentence. High-five, or at least high-4.

[jimjamuser]

BZZZT! Nope. It's those "GREEDY" developers, paying for the schools out of their own pocket...


P.S. Your envy is also duly noted... (Not an attractive trait...)

BTW, you should be grateful that I own two homes. That means, while I pay full property taxes and amenity fees year round, I only use the services "part time"... You're welcome...
OK, I'll show up with some suitcases and we can party.
.........As far as ENVY goes, I am GREEN with it. Everybody knows I believe in the GREEN revolution.

[jimjamuser]

1+1 = 2.5? That's some interesting math you got going on there...

But I'm glad to see you're fore securing the border...

And if you think it's only "America" who think "bigger is better", you haven't traveled much...
Roger Doger on sentence 2. '
......And sentence 3.....YES, I have lived a sheltered life, just hanging out in my Mother's basement.
........And building and designing a home can be a "labor of love", but economics, financing, and laborers MUST ALL work together smoothly or The whole thing falls through (the floor). It is LIKELY that a recession is approaching, so the LITTLE PEOPLE (peeps) will get HURT the most (it always happens that way, funny). And the BIG people will come and buy up your mortgages at pennies on the dollar. Beware the SUITS !

[JMintzer]

Oh, too bad, i can hit a plastic ball 9 iron with the best of them. An accurate 30 yards.
.......And get a new recent History and economics teacher because Real wages have ONLY increased in the last 2 years. No real change (taking inflation into consideration since 1990. And I have covered ALL that in prior posts. Maybe I need to water down the economic vocabulary.
........So, you admit that back then, you were just PRACTICING! Sorry, I could NOT resist that Bad, old Doctor joke.

Real wages HAVE NOT increased in the last 2 years. The average American family has $4200 LESS in spending power...

They have SHRUNK 3% with the current administration.

Per the U.S. Gubmint:

Real Wages Have Shrunk 3 Percent Since President Biden Took Office - House Committee on Ways and Means (https://waysandmeans.house.gov/real-wages-have-shrunk-3-percent-since-president-biden-took-office/)

Even CNN says they have SHRUNK...

Fact check: Biden makes false and misleading claims in economic speech | CNN Politics (https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/28/politics/fact-check-biden-economic-speech-january-2023/index.html)

[Laker14]

Anyone who thinks $20/hour is gross overpayment should try to live on $41,600/year.

When the cast member at Disney walks into his/her Walmart, guess what? Their eggs cost just as much as Joe Retiree living on a "fixed income". Gas costs just as much, but the working stiff has to buy more of it.

If you can't afford to tip the person behind the counter, or it brings a financial hardship to you, don't do it. But if that's the case, probably spending money on fast-food meals is not a great choice either.

I totally agree with whoever it was in a previous post who said watching too much TV news, whether it be CNN or FOX is a recipe for misery. Get out, breathe some Florida air, be glad we are not bracing for that ice storm. Try to enjoy the few precious days we have left. Don't let some TV newsperson with too much make-up spoil your day.

Carry on.

[Boomer]

Anyone who thinks $20/hour is gross overpayment should try to live on $41,600/year.

When the cast member at Disney walks into his/her Walmart, guess what? Their eggs cost just as much as Joe Retiree living on a "fixed income". Gas costs just as much, but the working stiff has to buy more of it.

If you can't afford to tip the person behind the counter, or it brings a financial hardship to you, don't do it. But if that's the case, probably spending money on fast-food meals is not a great choice either.

I totally agree with whoever it was in a previous post who said watching too much TV news, whether it be CNN or FOX is a recipe for misery. Get out, breathe some Florida air, be glad we are not bracing for that ice storm. Try to enjoy the few precious days we have left. Don't let some TV newsperson with too much make-up spoil your day.

Carry on.


Hey, thanks- :) The post you are referencing was #44 in this bizarro thread. That post was mine,

The “news” is causing so much anger— along with all those other negative emotions — to run rampant.

Add FB and its spawn to what those television channels grind on and on about and we sure are in a mess.

The so-called “news” is calculated by the power brokers to keep the viewers in a heightened state of negativity.

It is interesting — though actually terrifying — to read about something known as the amygdala hijack. That’s when the emotional part of the brain takes over the thinking part of the brain.

The amygdala is the emotional response territory of the brain and when it is constantly under siege it can take over normal thinking and cause behaviors that can wreck all kinds of important, in-person relationships.

Pogo was right. (sigh)

Boomer

[Laker14]

Hey, thanks- :) The post you are referencing was #44 in this bizarro thread. That post was mine,

The “news” is causing so much anger— along with all those other negative emotions — to run rampant.

Add FB and its spawn to what those television channels grind on and on about and we sure are in a mess.

The so-called “news” is calculated by the power brokers to keep the viewers in a heightened state of negativity.

It is interesting — though actually terrifying — to read about something known as the amygdala hijack. That’s when the emotional part of the brain takes over the thinking part of the brain.

The amygdala is the emotional response territory of the brain and when it is constantly under siege it can take over normal thinking and cause behaviors that can wreck all kinds of important, in-person relationships.

Pogo was right. (sigh)

Boomer

Totally coincidentally, I was having a conversation yesterday with a friend of mine, who approaches politics from the opposite end of the conservative-liberal spectrum, than I do..He was telling me about a friend who has a family member glued to TV news. All day, every day, always tuned into the same network, never hearing any other message. It has so affected her personality that nobody wants to have anything to do with her, regardless of their political leanings. She has become so unpleasant to be around that nobody will do it.

[jimjamuser]

Real wages HAVE NOT increased in the last 2 years. The average American family has $4200 LESS in spending power...

They have SHRUNK 3% with the current administration.

Per the U.S. Gubmint:

Real Wages Have Shrunk 3 Percent Since President Biden Took Office - House Committee on Ways and Means (https://waysandmeans.house.gov/real-wages-have-shrunk-3-percent-since-president-biden-took-office/)

Even CNN says they have SHRUNK...

Fact check: Biden makes false and misleading claims in economic speech | CNN Politics (https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/28/politics/fact-check-biden-economic-speech-january-2023/index.html)
I read the 1st link and i could tell EASILY that it was TOTALLY biased.
.......I read the 2nd link and it said that SOME of the statements were incorrect. Some NOT so earthshaking errors. May the 1st among US who has never misspoken please throw the 1st STONE.

[jimjamuser]

Hey, thanks- :) The post you are referencing was #44 in this bizarro thread. That post was mine,

The “news” is causing so much anger— along with all those other negative emotions — to run rampant.

Add FB and its spawn to what those television channels grind on and on about and we sure are in a mess.

The so-called “news” is calculated by the power brokers to keep the viewers in a heightened state of negativity.

It is interesting — though actually terrifying — to read about something known as the amygdala hijack. That’s when the emotional part of the brain takes over the thinking part of the brain.

The amygdala is the emotional response territory of the brain and when it is constantly under siege it can take over normal thinking and cause behaviors that can wreck all kinds of important, in-person relationships.

Pogo was right. (sigh)

Boomer
"Amygdala highjack"......I believe that is the MAIN TOOL of fascists. Just watch old clips of Hitler's speeches to know that it CAN work and practically create mindless, non-thinking ZOMBIE followers. Beware America !!!!!!

[jimjamuser]

Totally coincidentally, I was having a conversation yesterday with a friend of mine, who approaches politics from the opposite end of the conservative-liberal spectrum, than I do..He was telling me about a friend who has a family member glued to TV news. All day, every day, always tuned into the same network, never hearing any other message. It has so affected her personality that nobody wants to have anything to do with her, regardless of their political leanings. She has become so unpleasant to be around that nobody will do it.
Great post! That is becoming more and more of a problem in the US and here locally. I hear more distasteful conversations at the swimming pool now that many are polarized. Let's just HOPE that the middle holds.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

I NEVER liked the concept of tips when I figured they were STUPID at about 7th grade. But, I am an outlier.
Sorry....duplicate

The alternative would be to add 24-30% to the price of restaurant food or other products and services where tipping is the norm.
Would you like that better?
At least with tipping, you can determine how much you felt the service was worth.

[Aces4]

Totally coincidentally, I was having a conversation yesterday with a friend of mine, who approaches politics from the opposite end of the conservative-liberal spectrum, than I do..He was telling me about a friend who has a family member glued to TV news. All day, every day, always tuned into the same network, never hearing any other message. It has so affected her personality that nobody wants to have anything to do with her, regardless of their political leanings. She has become so unpleasant to be around that nobody will do it.

Gosh, that is like a biography of a poster here who will not be named.:1rotfl:

[JMintzer]

I read the 1st link and i could tell EASILY that it was TOTALLY biased.
.......I read the 2nd link and it said that SOME of the statements were incorrect. Some NOT so earthshaking errors. May the 1st among US who has never misspoken please throw the 1st STONE.

You're actually saying that a "us.gov" website is "TOTALLY biased?

And that CNN is wrong????

:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[JMintzer]

I read the 1st link and i could tell EASILY that it was TOTALLY biased.
.......I read the 2nd link and it said that SOME of the statements were incorrect. Some NOT so earthshaking errors. May the 1st among US who has never misspoken please throw the 1st STONE.

But what the 2 links actually show is that YOU were wrong when you said that "REAL WAGES have INCREASED over the last two years"...

[JMintzer]

The alternative would be to add 24-30% to the price of restaurant food or other products and services where tipping is the norm.
Would you like that better?
At least with tipping, you can determine how much you felt the service was worth.

He wouldn't care, as he's stated (multiple times) that he rarely (if ever) eats out. He prefers to eat of well used paper plates, at home...

[Bilyclub]

He wouldn't care, as he's stated (multiple times) that he rarely (if ever) eats out. He prefers to eat of well used paper plates, at home...

Well, the price of new paper plates has skyrocketed.

[RICH1]

For those who discount that we Fund these New Housing developments , Please read about the SHIP & Sail program…..$1.33 billion
As shown in the summary tables below, the total SHIP and SAIL appropriated funded dollars were $1.33 billion. These dollars generated a total economic impact output, employment and income for the SHIP funds of $7.18 billion, 54,969, and $1.7 billion, respectively.

[jimjamuser]

The alternative would be to add 24-30% to the price of restaurant food or other products and services where tipping is the norm.
Would you like that better?
At least with tipping, you can determine how much you felt the service was worth.
Tipping is very elitist. I would rather engage in cow-tipping.

[jimjamuser]

He wouldn't care, as he's stated (multiple times) that he rarely (if ever) eats out. He prefers to eat of well used paper plates, at home...
Roger that.........It takes a simple man to sing a simple song. May the simple poor among us enter the grace of heaven.

[Jerseygirl08]

Starting for for new graduate RN can start at $22-24 hourly rate, state by state, unless you want to work in high crime area, then you get hazard pay.

So why go into health care, when you can work for Disney, get ticket perks, and have a stress free magical day.

I totally agree. I'm a recently retired RN. A Handyman pay in TV is better per hour than a registered nurse pay. Don't get it. And way higher than a teacher's pay. Don't get that either.

When I was on the floor working my arse off - with no 15 minute breaks, no 30 minute lunch, and never getting out on time ..... and wait ..... called names, spit on, urine thrown on me, elbow broken, no holidays spent with my family, and on and on it goes . . . I often wondered, "What the hell am I doing this for?" Society needs nurses, doctors, teachers, firemen and firewomen, and police officers - for sure. We should pay them accordingly. And if they are not doing their jobs accordingly, they should be fired - not protected. My rant is over.

[JMintzer]

I totally agree. I'm a recently retired RN. A Handyman pay in TV is better per hour than a registered nurse pay. Don't get it. And way higher than a teacher's pay. Don't get that either.

When I was on the floor working my arse off - with no 15 minute breaks, no 30 minute lunch, and never getting out on time ..... and wait ..... called names, spit on, urine thrown on me, elbow broken, no holidays spent with my family, and on and on it goes . . . I often wondered, "What the hell am I doing this for?" Society needs nurses, doctors, teachers, firemen and firewomen, and police officers - for sure. We should pay them accordingly. And if they are not doing their jobs accordingly, they should be fired - not protected. My rant is over.

You're assuming a handyman works a full 8 hr day, with no travel time between jobs, no down time between jobs, no "ooops, the person forgot he was coming and went out to lunch"...

And they do get injuries, which can put them out of commission for weeks...

That said, they get paid exactly what people are willing to pay...

[jimjamuser]

I totally agree. I'm a recently retired RN. A Handyman pay in TV is better per hour than a registered nurse pay. Don't get it. And way higher than a teacher's pay. Don't get that either.

When I was on the floor working my arse off - with no 15 minute breaks, no 30 minute lunch, and never getting out on time ..... and wait ..... called names, spit on, urine thrown on me, elbow broken, no holidays spent with my family, and on and on it goes . . . I often wondered, "What the hell am I doing this for?" Society needs nurses, doctors, teachers, firemen and firewomen, and police officers - for sure. We should pay them accordingly. And if they are not doing their jobs accordingly, they should be fired - not protected. My rant is over.
Good post. It is very SAD that (say) a plumber would make more money than a nurse or TEACHER. The US has been VERY backward about its priorities for years. One reason for that is that "the powers that be" have DECRIED that UNIONS "shall be NO MORE"! They fear UNIONS because UNIONS are about helping ordinary people get ahead. If these upper, uber elitists COULD do it, they would have already OUTSOURCED TEACHERS and NURSES to China.

[Kenswing]

I totally agree. I'm a recently retired RN. A Handyman pay in TV is better per hour than a registered nurse pay. Don't get it. And way higher than a teacher's pay. Don't get that either.

When I was on the floor working my arse off - with no 15 minute breaks, no 30 minute lunch, and never getting out on time ..... and wait ..... called names, spit on, urine thrown on me, elbow broken, no holidays spent with my family, and on and on it goes . . . I often wondered, "What the hell am I doing this for?" Society needs nurses, doctors, teachers, firemen and firewomen, and police officers - for sure. We should pay them accordingly. And if they are not doing their jobs accordingly, they should be fired - not protected. My rant is over.
It must be a regional thing. My wife is also a retired RN of 40 years. For at least the last 15 years of her career she was in the six figures and she only worked 35 hours per week. She got extra pay for her degree. Extra pay for any specific certification she held. Weekend differential, etc. That was in Washington state. I know she probably wouldn’t be making that kind of money here.

[JMintzer]

Good post. It is very SAD that (say) a plumber would make more money than a nurse or TEACHER. The US has been VERY backward about its priorities for years. One reason for that is that "the powers that be" have DECRIED that UNIONS "shall be NO MORE"! They fear UNIONS because UNIONS are about helping ordinary people get ahead. If these upper, uber elitists COULD do it, they would have already OUTSOURCED TEACHERS and NURSES to China.

Why is it sad that a plumber would make more than a teacher or nurse?

They may charge more per hours, but that includes their business expenses, insurance, etc... They don't TAKE HOME that hourly fee...

Do you have a clue how much it costs to outfit a truck/van for a plumber?

Have you ever called plumbers for an emergency visit when your house floods? When your toilets backs up into your house? How about when your gas furnace dies and you're freezing in your home?

A good plumber is worth what they charge...

[jimjamuser]

It must be a regional thing. My wife is also a retired RN of 40 years. For at least the last 15 years of her career she was in the six figures and she only worked 35 hours per week. She got extra pay for her degree. Extra pay for any specific certification she held. Weekend differential, etc. That was in Washington state. I know she probably wouldn’t be making that kind of money here.
That shows that Wa. the state is more progressive than Fl. Their schools probably rank higher than Fl. schools. And because of that more sophisticated employers and employees live there rather than in Florida. Their High School graduation rate is probably much higher than Florida's.

[jimjamuser]

Why is it sad that a plumber would make more than a teacher or nurse?

They may charge more per hours, but that includes their business expenses, insurance, etc... They don't TAKE HOME that hourly fee...

Do you have a clue how much it costs to outfit a truck/van for a plumber?

Have you ever called plumbers for an emergency visit when your house floods? When your toilets backs up into your house? How about when your gas furnace dies and you're freezing in your home?

A good plumber is worth what they charge...
Not compared to a teacher. Societies can turn on the quality of their school system. No one cares to rank countries on how good their plumbers are. One thing for sure Is that Florida is going in the wrong direction. Soon Fl will be so desperate to hire teachers that plumbers will be accepted into the classroom.
.........This is an interesting side note about Education in Fl and plumbers in Fl. Both plumbers and Teachers apparently need financial support in Fl. FACT......Florida is # 1 in the US for application to The Affordable Care Act. (check it out, many want to hide that fact)

[JMintzer]

That shows that Wa. the state is more progressive than Fl. Their schools probably rank higher than Fl. schools. And because of that more sophisticated employers and employees live there rather than in Florida. Their High School graduation rate is probably much higher than Florida's.

KenSwing was comparing the pay in WA state to that of "JerseyGirl"... I wonder where "JerseyGirl" was working as a nurse... Oh, I don't know... Maybe NEW JERSEY? She certainly never mentioned FL in her post...

No one mentioned FL, except you.

You just had to get in your dig @ FL...

A "sophisticated" person would have been able to figure that out...

Maybe it's where you grew up that lacks sophistication... I hear NC is quite sophisticated...

[JMintzer]

Not compared to a teacher. Societies can turn on the quality of their school system. No one cares to rank countries on how good their plumbers are. One thing for sure Is that Florida is going in the wrong direction. Soon Fl will be so desperate to hire teachers that plumbers will be accepted into the classroom.

Yet you stay in FL... How Ponderous...