Welcome New Yorkers

[Michael G.]

Americans Are Leaving High-Tax New York and Moving to Florida (https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/americans-are-leaving-high-tax-new-york-and-moving-to-florida/ar-AA16XpIo?ocid=msedgntp&pc=W046&cvid=2ec34ad88b40404f82d7b2eaf01047dd)

[Stu from NYC]

They have to make room for new arrivals.

[JMintzer]

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[Sage327]

[QUOTE=Michael G.;2181597]Americans Are Leaving High-Tax New York and Moving to Florida (https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/americans-are-leaving-high-tax-new-york-and-moving-to-florida/ar-AA16XpIo?ocid=msedgntp&pc=W046&cvid=2ec34ad88b40404f82d7b2eaf01047dd)[/QUOTE

Taxes are not the only reason people are leaving NY

[gatorbill1]

Taxes and weather definitely better in Florida, don't know anything else better here. I have been here over 40 years, so I am probably not best judge of this. When I moved to Florida, cost of living was a lot better here than in NY, but not so much now.

[manaboutown]

Crime in NYC is a factor as well. Major crime continues to surge in NYC, up 36% this year: new police data (https://nypost.com/2022/08/08/major-crime-continues-to-surge-in-nyc-up-36-this-year-new-police-data/)

[ThirdOfFive]

[QUOTE=Michael G.;2181597]Americans Are Leaving High-Tax New York and Moving to Florida (https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/americans-are-leaving-high-tax-new-york-and-moving-to-florida/ar-AA16XpIo?ocid=msedgntp&pc=W046&cvid=2ec34ad88b40404f82d7b2eaf01047dd)[/QUOTE

Taxes are not the only reason people are leaving NY
Indeed. Crime is a biggie, and not just New York but Chicago, Portland, Minneapolis, etc. etc.

If anyone here reads V i l l a g e s - N e w s, the comparison is pretty stark. That publication thrives on sleaze and local criminal activity lives on the front page (or its electronic equivalent). But in point of fact, I'd say that probably 80% of what is called "crime" down here would elicit nothing but a belly laugh if called in to police departments of major NE and Northern cities. One recent story (if I'm recalling it correctly) was that local law tracked down and arrested someone who walked a $13 restaurant check!

Cops down here are allowed and encouraged to do their jobs, which is quite a stark change from the reality that many of us come from. It appears that law enforcement here knows who the troublemakers are, and keeps the pressure on them. How many times have we read of a person being stopped for stopping ahead of the white line, broken taillight, license plate not illuminated, etc. etc. etc., K-9 is called and the dog "alerts" to the presence of drugs in the vehicle, a search is initiated and inevitably a suspended license, drug paraphernalia, outstanding warrants, etc. etc. are discovered. The advocates UpNort would be screaming to high heaven if such tactics were used there. But here, it is done, and it keeps crime heavily in the "petty" bracket.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Wow what a dumb comparison. You're comparing problems with a very small city (geographically), in a small state (geographically) to the entirety of a somewhat large state (geographically).

NYC has approximately 9 million people in it, over around 306 square miles. The last count was approximately 29,000 people per square mile.

The State of Florida has approximately 22 million people in it, over around 66,000 square miles. Florida has only around 406 people per square mile as of last count.

Of course crime will be higher in one of the most densely-populated cities in the country, than in the entirety of a large state that is primarily rural, other than the coasts and very small sections of inland.

Manhattan is only 22 square miles, and has almost 2 million people in it, and at last count was approximately 74,000 people per square mile.

The Villages is around 6 square miles, has only 150,000 people in it, around 2800 people per square mile.

Why anyone would even think to compare the two is pretty insane. Taking such comparisons seriously is even more insane.

People are leaving the State of New York for a multitude of reasons.
1. High taxes, especially within NYC, which has borough taxes, county taxes, and state taxes, plus high sales tax and usage taxes.
2. Anyone renting within "the city" with multiple wage-earners - and losing one person's wage, likely has to move out due to no longer being able to afford the rent. But in the city, there is rent control - which means they are paying much less than whoever moves in to their old place - and what they can now afford, doesn't exist for new tenants anywhere in the city.
3. Winters - this isn't a new thing, people have moved south due to northern winters - ever since there've been people born and raised in the north.
4. Politics - this is actually not common. There are places in New York that have a very strong 'red' representation, so if that was the big reason, they could've just moved to a red pocket. Or a neighboring state, such as Ohio, which is controlled primarily by Republicans on every level of state government.
5. The expectation of career opportunities - many people come down here thinking they'll get a better job with more money. This isn't true, but it's a reason why they come.
6. Retirement - another "not a new thing." People have been flocking to Florida to retire from New York since the 1950's. The difference between the 1950's and now is - there are more people. More people = more people retiring = more people moving.

[Ele201]

Taxes and weather definitely better in Florida, don't know anything else better here. I have been here over 40 years, so I am probably not best judge of this. When I moved to Florida, cost of living was a lot better here than in NY, but not so much now.
True, and the transplants moving south hike up property values and living costs.

[Pete Swanson]

Welcome to the Free State of Florida

[pvetrano1]

You obviously haven't been in NY lately. It's not even close !

[Sandy and Ed]

True, and the transplants moving south hike up property values and living costs.
But hopefully they do not destroy the wonderful “attitude” of Florida. Come on down but leave your Northern cynicism, etc. there. Florida ain’t broke so don’t try to fix it to suit a northern lifestyle you are leaving

[rsmurano]

Of course you can compare crime rates. NY/Oregon/California/Illinois/and many more states are trying to defund the police and the state attorneys are not prosecuting non-violent crimes, you get a slap in the wrist when robbing a store now. Remember the new Illinois law that just went into effect Jan 1: “As the calendar turns to 2023, Illinois was set to become the first state in the U.S. to completely eliminate cash bail for defendants awaiting criminal trials.”.
Remember the quiet riots in Portland that happened everyday for a year where they demolished the city with fires. Let me check if Florida had the same type of riots.
Besides crime, taxes are much cheaper here, no state income tax here, housing prices are nothing here compared to the west coast or northeast. Electric costs/water costs are much cheaper here, I was paying over $100 a month to water my lawn years ago and other places you aren’t even allowed to water your lawn or wash your car.

[Dusty_Star]

Crime is a much bigger factor than the taxes, which in New York City have always been high. People with school age children are also leaving because of the schools. This was brought into high relief for parents during the last several years. Schools opened in Florida, they did not in New York. For those leaving recently it was the overall abysmal COVID response that caused people to decide once & for all to abandon the city. Except for the very rich, NYC apartments are tiny. Kitchens are either non-existent or a joke. NY'ers predominantly ate out, showered at the gym & spent very little time other than sleeping in their apartments. That all changed with the COVID response & it drove many former NYC boosters to seriously reconsider their life choices. They were stuck in tiny apartments with more people than the apartment could comfortably handle. Their 'I love NY' lifestyle crashed & burned. Now I don't think many of these people are landing in The Villages, but they are moving out of NY & yes, the effects are still being felt. For many of the non rich it takes several years to devote funds to a major relocation. Meanwhile the worsening crime on the city streets is strengthening their resolve to get out.

[Shapdaddy]

You’re damn right. Make America Florida. Keep you Northeast attitude up there.

[GizmoWhiskers]

Wow what a dumb comparison. You're comparing problems with a very small city (geographically), in a small state (geographically) to the entirety of a somewhat large state (geographically).

NYC has approximately 9 million people in it, over around 306 square miles. The last count was approximately 29,000 people per square mile.

The State of Florida has approximately 22 million people in it, over around 66,000 square miles. Florida has only around 406 people per square mile as of last count.

Of course crime will be higher in one of the most densely-populated cities in the country, than in the entirety of a large state that is primarily rural, other than the coasts and very small sections of inland.

Manhattan is only 22 square miles, and has almost 2 million people in it, and at last count was approximately 74,000 people per square mile.

The Villages is around 6 square miles, has only 150,000 people in it, around 2800 people per square mile.

Why anyone would even think to compare the two is pretty insane. Taking such comparisons seriously is even more insane.

People are leaving the State of New York for a multitude of reasons.
1. High taxes, especially within NYC, which has borough taxes, county taxes, and state taxes, plus high sales tax and usage taxes.
2. Anyone renting within "the city" with multiple wage-earners - and losing one person's wage, likely has to move out due to no longer being able to afford the rent. But in the city, there is rent control - which means they are paying much less than whoever moves in to their old place - and what they can now afford, doesn't exist for new tenants anywhere in the city.
3. Winters - this isn't a new thing, people have moved south due to northern winters - ever since there've been people born and raised in the north.
4. Politics - this is actually not common. There are places in New York that have a very strong 'red' representation, so if that was the big reason, they could've just moved to a red pocket. Or a neighboring state, such as Ohio, which is controlled primarily by Republicans on every level of state government.
5. The expectation of career opportunities - many people come down here thinking they'll get a better job with more money. This isn't true, but it's a reason why they come.
6. Retirement - another "not a new thing." People have been flocking to Florida to retire from New York since the 1950's. The difference between the 1950's and now is - there are more people. More people = more people retiring = more people moving.
If crime is not a reason to leave somewhere and move to T V then please, transplanted Villagers, feel free to unlock your doors at night and stop the hypocrisy.

[tombpot]

Leave your politics in NY

[Mrfriendly]

To my New York neighbors, please bring good bagels and pizza‼️

[NoMo50]

The Villages is around 6 square miles, has only 150,000 people in it, around 2800 people per square mile.

You might want the double check your figures/math. Based on your numbers, that would work out to 25,000 people per square mile. But...a very conservative estimate puts the land area of The Villages at 32 square miles. The developer actually owns much more land than that...likely exceeding 50 square miles.

[G.R.I.T.S.]

Wow what a dumb comparison. You're comparing problems with a very small city (geographically), in a small state (geographically) to the entirety of a somewhat large state (geographically).

NYC has approximately 9 million people in it, over around 306 square miles. The last count was approximately 29,000 people per square mile.

The State of Florida has approximately 22 million people in it, over around 66,000 square miles. Florida has only around 406 people per square mile as of last count.

Of course crime will be higher in one of the most densely-populated cities in the country, than in the entirety of a large state that is primarily rural, other than the coasts and very small sections of inland.

Manhattan is only 22 square miles, and has almost 2 million people in it, and at last count was approximately 74,000 people per square mile.

The Villages is around 6 square miles, has only 150,000 people in it, around 2800 people per square mile.

Why anyone would even think to compare the two is pretty insane. Taking such comparisons seriously is even more insane.

People are leaving the State of New York for a multitude of reasons.
1. High taxes, especially within NYC, which has borough taxes, county taxes, and state taxes, plus high sales tax and usage taxes.
2. Anyone renting within "the city" with multiple wage-earners - and losing one person's wage, likely has to move out due to no longer being able to afford the rent. But in the city, there is rent control - which means they are paying much less than whoever moves in to their old place - and what they can now afford, doesn't exist for new tenants anywhere in the city.
3. Winters - this isn't a new thing, people have moved south due to northern winters - ever since there've been people born and raised in the north.
4. Politics - this is actually not common. There are places in New York that have a very strong 'red' representation, so if that was the big reason, they could've just moved to a red pocket. Or a neighboring state, such as Ohio, which is controlled primarily by Republicans on every level of state government.
5. The expectation of career opportunities - many people come down here thinking they'll get a better job with more money. This isn't true, but it's a reason why they come.
6. Retirement - another "not a new thing." People have been flocking to Florida to retire from New York since the 1950's. The difference between the 1950's and now is - there are more people. More people = more people retiring = more people moving.

Keep telling yourself that. My guess is that you also don't subscribe to the FL "lifestyle" either, which, over time, will make FL more like NY minus the weather.

[lawgolfer]

You can come. close to matching NYC's pizza at Flippers, although there are no walk-away slices. Bagels not so much anywhere in TV.

[lmrk32]

While this may be a little off-topic The sentiment against New Yorkers has been stated often enough in this thread that I feel the need to comment. Please do not bash us. Take us as individuals the same way you would want us to take you. Both good and bad, there is no other place like New York. And that goes for the people too. If you want a straight answer you will get it from a New Yorker. We will not blow smoke, be politically correct Or use phony southern gentility, telling you what we think you want to hear. By imposing yourStereotypical beliefs upon us, you make us angry. You insult us and wonder why we lash out once we have had enough. If you would keep your snarky comments to yourself and get to know us first, you might get along better with us as with any other group of people. Your views are prejudicial which is no longer tolerated in society. When all is said and done, no matter where I live I will always be a New YorkerAnd I am very very proud of that. So if you wanna make some snarky comments about my post go right ahead because another beauty of being a New Yorker as we simply do not care what you think

[airstreamingypsy]

While this may be a little off-topic The sentiment against New Yorkers has been stated often enough in this thread that I feel the need to comment. Please do not bash us. Take us as individuals the same way you would want us to take you. Both good and bad, there is no other place like New York. And that goes for the people too. If you want a straight answer you will get it from a New Yorker. We will not blow smoke, be politically correct Or use phony southern gentility, telling you what we think you want to hear. By imposing your Stereotypical beliefs upon us, you make us angry. You insult us and wonder why we lash out once we have had enough. If you would keep your snarky comments to yourself and get to know us first, you might get along better with us as with any other group of people. Your views are prejudicial which is no longer tolerated in society. When all is said and done, no matter where I live I will always be a New Yorker And I am very very proud of that. So if you wanna make some snarky comments about my post go right ahead because another beauty of being a New Yorker as we simply do not care what you think

I see the New York hate here and think to myself, they are just jealous because we grew up in the greatest city in the world. I'm just here for the weather.

[Billnjudy]

But hopefully they do not destroy the wonderful “attitude” of Florida. Come on down but leave your Northern cynicism, etc. there. Florida ain’t broke so don’t try to fix it to suit a northern lifestyle you are leaving
Be prepared, I am sadly. I’m a native of Colorado that moved here because Californians fled their state for a better life in Colorado and destroyed Colorado in all areas😢 Califorincated Colorado

[Jazzman]

While this may be a little off-topic The sentiment against New Yorkers has been stated often enough in this thread that I feel the need to comment. Please do not bash us. Take us as individuals the same way you would want us to take you. Both good and bad, there is no other place like New York. And that goes for the people too. If you want a straight answer you will get it from a New Yorker. We will not blow smoke, be politically correct Or use phony southern gentility, telling you what we think you want to hear. By imposing yourStereotypical beliefs upon us, you make us angry. You insult us and wonder why we lash out once we have had enough. If you would keep your snarky comments to yourself and get to know us first, you might get along better with us as with any other group of people. Your views are prejudicial which is no longer tolerated in society. When all is said and done, no matter where I live I will always be a New YorkerAnd I am very very proud of that. So if you wanna make some snarky comments about my post go right ahead because another beauty of being a New Yorker as we simply do not care what you think

I would bet most of these commenters never set foot in NYC or even NY State which has a whole different vibe and attitude then NYC. One poster complains about the content of the supposed media called the Villages News. Well this board is pretty similar when it comes to certain topics.

[ThirdOfFive]

Wow what a dumb comparison. You're comparing problems with a very small city (geographically), in a small state (geographically) to the entirety of a somewhat large state (geographically).

NYC has approximately 9 million people in it, over around 306 square miles. The last count was approximately 29,000 people per square mile.

The State of Florida has approximately 22 million people in it, over around 66,000 square miles. Florida has only around 406 people per square mile as of last count.

Of course crime will be higher in one of the most densely-populated cities in the country, than in the entirety of a large state that is primarily rural, other than the coasts and very small sections of inland.

Manhattan is only 22 square miles, and has almost 2 million people in it, and at last count was approximately 74,000 people per square mile.

The Villages is around 6 square miles, has only 150,000 people in it, around 2800 people per square mile.

Why anyone would even think to compare the two is pretty insane. Taking such comparisons seriously is even more insane.

People are leaving the State of New York for a multitude of reasons.
1. High taxes, especially within NYC, which has borough taxes, county taxes, and state taxes, plus high sales tax and usage taxes.
2. Anyone renting within "the city" with multiple wage-earners - and losing one person's wage, likely has to move out due to no longer being able to afford the rent. But in the city, there is rent control - which means they are paying much less than whoever moves in to their old place - and what they can now afford, doesn't exist for new tenants anywhere in the city.
3. Winters - this isn't a new thing, people have moved south due to northern winters - ever since there've been people born and raised in the north.
4. Politics - this is actually not common. There are places in New York that have a very strong 'red' representation, so if that was the big reason, they could've just moved to a red pocket. Or a neighboring state, such as Ohio, which is controlled primarily by Republicans on every level of state government.
5. The expectation of career opportunities - many people come down here thinking they'll get a better job with more money. This isn't true, but it's a reason why they come.
6. Retirement - another "not a new thing." People have been flocking to Florida to retire from New York since the 1950's. The difference between the 1950's and now is - there are more people. More people = more people retiring = more people moving.
With all due respect...wide by a mile.

This, from The National Bureau of Economic Research website:

"During the 1990s, crime rates in New York City dropped dramatically, even more than in the United States as a whole. Violent crime declined by more than 56 percent in the City, compared to about 28 percent in the nation as whole. Property crimes tumbled by about 65 percent, but fell only 26 percent nationally.

Many attribute New York's crime reduction to specific "get-tough" policies carried out by former Mayor Rudolph Giuliani's administration. The most prominent of his policy changes was the aggressive policing of lower-level crimes, a policy which has been dubbed the "broken windows" approach to law enforcement. In this view, small disorders lead to larger ones and perhaps even to crime. As Mr. Guiliani told the press in 1998, "Obviously murder and graffiti are two vastly different crimes. But they are part of the same continuum, and a climate that tolerates one is more likely to tolerate the other."

This is PRECISELY the approach of local law enforcement, as I see it. Keep the clamps down tight on the hoodlum wannabes, and the Real McCoys will keep their distance. It worked for Guiliani in the then-cesspool called New York. It is working here.

Crime was perhaps THE main reason that we moved here. Back in Minnesota we lived in an idyllic little backwater town of perhaps 25,000 or so, but that town was about an hour's drive from Ground Zero and the Floyd riots in Minneapolis - St. Paul. The riots spilled over into the suburbs, and even our idyllic little town had a taste of it: no more than a taste, as armed police ringed the demonstrators, and not a few of the local onlookers were armed as well. As a side note: the "demonstrators" had planned a smash-and-grab, the morning after their "demonstration" at a local big-box store that sold guns and ammo. Word got out. When the demonstrators showed up early that morning the parking lot quite a few obviously armed locals (open carry is legal in Minnesota). The vehicles containing the planned smash-and-grabbers swung into the parking lot, saw the situation, and promptly (and wisely) circled around back onto the street to the freeway entrance ramp and headed south. We moved not long after that. I had a carry permit in Minnesota and for the ten years before moving here rarely left the house unarmed, even in our idyllic little town. I have a Florida permit, but haven't carried even once here. Just haven't felt the need.

Minnesota's situation is not unique; but shared in many of the major cities in the North and Northeast. Call it what you like, but the defund-the-police, no-more-profiling, etc. etc. movements all have the same end in mind; make it easier for the criminals to operate. And it's working: in Minneapolis, the informal SOP is that theft with a value of less than $1,000.00 are not routinely investigated by police. Anything under $1,000 is a misdemeanor (Archiego - Stokka dot com). Cops have to prioritize too: why investigate misdemeanors when there is so much more major crime there?

Guiliani's quote about crime is worth repeating. "Obviously murder and graffiti are two vastly different crimes. But they are part of the same continuum, and a climate that tolerates one is more likely to tolerate the other". It worked in New York. It is working here.

[MrFlorida]

Don't New York my Florida !

[GATORBILL66]

Americans Are Leaving High-Tax New York and Moving to Florida (https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/americans-are-leaving-high-tax-new-york-and-moving-to-florida/ar-AA16XpIo?ocid=msedgntp&pc=W046&cvid=2ec34ad88b40404f82d7b2eaf01047dd)

Florida is getting too crowded. Let them yankees go somewhere else!

[rogerrice60]

Unfortunately a lot of them bring their politics with them; that will become a major problem for our state in the future.

[Dantes]

Yes let’s turn Florida into New York
Let’s all go to restaurants and not pay lol yes
I’m glad the village news reports the crime. The bubble is starting to pop in my opinion the false since of security and putting your head in the sand will catch up to everyone then it’s too late in my opinion I’ll be band from here now for having a opinion good bye

[Bay Kid]

They have to make room for new arrivals.

They can't afford the $500 a night free hotel rooms.

[Daxdog]

While this may be a little off-topic The sentiment against New Yorkers has been stated often enough in this thread that I feel the need to comment. Please do not bash us. Take us as individuals the same way you would want us to take you. Both good and bad, there is no other place like New York. And that goes for the people too. If you want a straight answer you will get it from a New Yorker. We will not blow smoke, be politically correct Or use phony southern gentility, telling you what we think you want to hear. By imposing yourStereotypical beliefs upon us, you make us angry. You insult us and wonder why we lash out once we have had enough. If you would keep your snarky comments to yourself and get to know us first, you might get along better with us as with any other group of people. Your views are prejudicial which is no longer tolerated in society. When all is said and done, no matter where I live I will always be a New YorkerAnd I am very very proud of that. So if you wanna make some snarky comments about my post go right ahead because another beauty of being a New Yorker as we simply do not care what you think


If that is the way you feel, please explain, why are you here. Just incase you were wondering, we don’t care what you think, say or do as long as you leave in the spring. Also please leave your bratty grandkids up north.

[waltwl]

If that is the way you feel, please explain, why are you here. Just incase you were wondering, we don’t care what you think, say or do as long as you leave in the spring. Also please leave your bratty grandkids up north.
Well said

[Maker]

New York City has half of the state's population and dictates the blue politics to the remaining 99% of the state. That drives out the red people who can afford to move. They come here, with their retirement funds and their RED politics. They leave overbearing government, and do not want that here. They leave stupid high taxes, and don't want them here. They leave high crime, and do not want it here. They leave to find like minded people.
With TV being 90% RED, those who move here feel welcome.
Please stop using NYC as the basis for all those when move here. Those in NYC love the politics, love the overcrowding, love the city... and they stay right there.

[nhtexasrn]

Welcome to Florida, but if you are running from high taxes, high cost of living and crime, PLEASE reconsider how you vote in all elections. Don't try and turn Florida blue, or you will have exactly what you left!

[Whitley]

Politics is a reason people are moving from NY to FL.
The VAST majority of land mass (counties) in NYS are Republican. Unfortunately, NYC is overwhelmingly liberal. The entire state (sans NYC) can vote to control taxes, or get tough on crime, however as NYC votes so goes the State. This is just one more reason many NY'ers are leaving NY, and a reason FL has a larger population than NY.

[Whitley]

While this may be a little off-topic The sentiment against New Yorkers has been stated often enough in this thread that I feel the need to comment. Please do not bash us. Take us as individuals the same way you would want us to take you. Both good and bad, there is no other place like New York. And that goes for the people too. If you want a straight answer you will get it from a New Yorker. We will not blow smoke, be politically correct Or use phony southern gentility, telling you what we think you want to hear. By imposing yourStereotypical beliefs upon us, you make us angry. You insult us and wonder why we lash out once we have had enough. If you would keep your snarky comments to yourself and get to know us first, you might get along better with us as with any other group of people. Your views are prejudicial which is no longer tolerated in society. When all is said and done, no matter where I live I will always be a New YorkerAnd I am very very proud of that. So if you wanna make some snarky comments about my post go right ahead because another beauty of being a New Yorker as we simply do not care what you think

You describe a NY that was. I am a native NY'er and lived there over fifty years. The past decade has been hard on NY, and it seems to be get5ting worse. We need a Koch or Giuliani to save the city. A Moynihan to replace Schumer.

[lmrk32]

Did I say I was up there? Because I am not. I am thinking or moving there but if I am surrounded by such ignorance I might change my mind. I do not have Grand children, Bratty or otherwise So another stupid assumption on your part. I know it’s late in the game but get an education, for yourself and everyone else around you

[JGibson]

They really need to make NYC its own state as it doesn't mirror or align with Upstate NY or Long Island.

We also need Florida to secede as we’re not voting ourselves out of this and Judges don't want to deal with suspicious results.
I hope I said that without crossing the forbidden line. It's like a juggling act.

[lmrk32]

I couldn’t agree with you more. I lived there for 57 years and have only been out for seven. Hopefully it hasn’t changed that much and I’ve been back many times and didn’t really see a difference. It seems like some of the people down there in the villages would argue the origins of a pimple! I wrote a respectable postExplaining a New Yorkers position but absolutely everything must be attacked or so it seems

[JMintzer]

While this may be a little off-topic The sentiment against New Yorkers has been stated often enough in this thread that I feel the need to comment. Please do not bash us. Take us as individuals the same way you would want us to take you. Both good and bad, there is no other place like New York. And that goes for the people too. If you want a straight answer you will get it from a New Yorker. We will not blow smoke, be politically correct Or use phony southern gentility, telling you what we think you want to hear. By imposing yourStereotypical beliefs upon us, you make us angry. You insult us and wonder why we lash out once we have had enough. If you would keep your snarky comments to yourself and get to know us first, you might get along better with us as with any other group of people. Your views are prejudicial which is no longer tolerated in society. When all is said and done, no matter where I live I will always be a New YorkerAnd I am very very proud of that. So if you wanna make some snarky comments about my post go right ahead because another beauty of being a New Yorker as we simply do not care what you think

You say "Take us as individuals the same way you would want us to take you"...

And then you cop to pretty much every stereotype that people complain about...

All while using stereotypes about "Southerners"...

"If you want a straight answer you will get it from a New Yorker. We will not blow smoke, be politically correct Or use phony southern gentility, telling you what we think you want to hear. By imposing yourStereotypical beliefs upon us, you make us angry."

[lane4vols]

Wow what a dumb comparison. You're comparing problems with a very small city (geographically), in a small state (geographically) to the entirety of a somewhat large state (geographically).

NYC has approximately 9 million people in it, over around 306 square miles. The last count was approximately 29,000 people per square mile.

The State of Florida has approximately 22 million people in it, over around 66,000 square miles. Florida has only around 406 people per square mile as of last count.

Of course crime will be higher in one of the most densely-populated cities in the country, than in the entirety of a large state that is primarily rural, other than the coasts and very small sections of inland.

Manhattan is only 22 square miles, and has almost 2 million people in it, and at last count was approximately 74,000 people per square mile.

The Villages is around 6 square miles, has only 150,000 people in it, around 2800 people per square mile.

Why anyone would even think to compare the two is pretty insane. Taking such comparisons seriously is even more insane.

People are leaving the State of New York for a multitude of reasons.
1. High taxes, especially within NYC, which has borough taxes, county taxes, and state taxes, plus high sales tax and usage taxes.
2. Anyone renting within "the city" with multiple wage-earners - and losing one person's wage, likely has to move out due to no longer being able to afford the rent. But in the city, there is rent control - which means they are paying much less than whoever moves in to their old place - and what they can now afford, doesn't exist for new tenants anywhere in the city.
3. Winters - this isn't a new thing, people have moved south due to northern winters - ever since there've been people born and raised in the north.
4. Politics - this is actually not common. There are places in New York that have a very strong 'red' representation, so if that was the big reason, they could've just moved to a red pocket. Or a neighboring state, such as Ohio, which is controlled primarily by Republicans on every level of state government.
5. The expectation of career opportunities - many people come down here thinking they'll get a better job with more money. This isn't true, but it's a reason why they come.
6. Retirement - another "not a new thing." People have been flocking to Florida to retire from New York since the 1950's. The difference between the 1950's and now is - there are more people. More people = more people retiring = more people moving.

How exactly do you arrive at the villages being 6 square miles? Must be that new math!!!

[Geodyssey]

Wow what a dumb comparison. You're comparing problems with a very small city (geographically), in a small state (geographically) to the entirety of a somewhat large state (geographically).

NYC has approximately 9 million people in it, over around 306 square miles. The last count was approximately 29,000 people per square mile.

The State of Florida has approximately 22 million people in it, over around 66,000 square miles. Florida has only around 406 people per square mile as of last count.

Of course crime will be higher in one of the most densely-populated cities in the country, than in the entirety of a large state that is primarily rural, other than the coasts and very small sections of inland.

Manhattan is only 22 square miles, and has almost 2 million people in it, and at last count was approximately 74,000 people per square mile.

The Villages is around 6 square miles, has only 150,000 people in it, around 2800 people per square mile.

Why anyone would even think to compare the two is pretty insane. Taking such comparisons seriously is even more insane.

People are leaving the State of New York for a multitude of reasons.
1. High taxes, especially within NYC, which has borough taxes, county taxes, and state taxes, plus high sales tax and usage taxes.
2. Anyone renting within "the city" with multiple wage-earners - and losing one person's wage, likely has to move out due to no longer being able to afford the rent. But in the city, there is rent control - which means they are paying much less than whoever moves in to their old place - and what they can now afford, doesn't exist for new tenants anywhere in the city.
3. Winters - this isn't a new thing, people have moved south due to northern winters - ever since there've been people born and raised in the north.
4. Politics - this is actually not common. There are places in New York that have a very strong 'red' representation, so if that was the big reason, they could've just moved to a red pocket. Or a neighboring state, such as Ohio, which is controlled primarily by Republicans on every level of state government.
5. The expectation of career opportunities - many people come down here thinking they'll get a better job with more money. This isn't true, but it's a reason why they come.
6. Retirement - another "not a new thing." People have been flocking to Florida to retire from New York since the 1950's. The difference between the 1950's and now is - there are more people. More people = more people retiring = more people moving.


Word salad + you don't know how to use demograchic data.

NYC has a higher PER CAPITA (per person) crime rates than Florida.

That's what counts.

[lmrk32]

You don’t like it so much when it’s pointed at you, do you? That’s exactly the way we feel

[JMintzer]

I would bet most of these commenters never set foot in NYC or even NY State which has a whole different vibe and attitude then NYC. One poster complains about the content of the supposed media called the Villages News. Well this board is pretty similar when it comes to certain topics.

Don't be too quick to make assumptions about other people making assumptions...

I've been to both as my family originated in NYC (after fleeing Eastern Europe at the turn of the last century). My parents left Brooklyn in the 50's and moved to the DC area. But my mother's extended family remained in NYC and upstate NY. We visited quite often...

Several of my wife's cousins live in Albany (which we've been to, several times...)

My father's brothers moved to San Jose, and most of that family still resides in CA... Why? I couldn't tell you... Well, I could, but I don't feel like being accessed another "vacation"...

[JMintzer]

I see the New York hate here and think to myself, they are just jealous because we grew up in the greatest city in the world. I'm just here for the weather.

Yeah, no...

While I do enjoy the occasional trip to NYC, after 3 days, I can't wait to leave...

[JMintzer]

Florida is getting too crowded. Let them yankees go somewhere else!

Woo Hoo! I get a pass! MD is south of the Mason-Dixon Line!

[haysus7]

If there was no air conditioning in Florida, no one would live in Florida

[ThirdOfFive]

Unfortunately a lot of them bring their politics with them; that will become a major problem for our state in the future.
I don't see that happening.

People who move here because their city/state has become a bleephole, have more brains, once here, than to vote for the same kind of people/policies that turned their former city/state into a bleephole in the first place.

[jleonard]

I hope you realize the politicians are responsible for the ruination of New York! Please enjoy you new life here in Florida and let your failure politics back north!

[mjdollard]

Wow what a dumb comparison. You're comparing problems with a very small city (geographically), in a small state (geographically) to the entirety of a somewhat large state (geographically).

NYC has approximately 9 million people in it, over around 306 square miles. The last count was approximately 29,000 people per square mile.

The State of Florida has approximately 22 million people in it, over around 66,000 square miles. Florida has only around 406 people per square mile as of last count.

Of course crime will be higher in one of the most densely-populated cities in the country, than in the entirety of a large state that is primarily rural, other than the coasts and very small sections of inland.

Manhattan is only 22 square miles, and has almost 2 million people in it, and at last count was approximately 74,000 people per square mile.

The Villages is around 6 square miles, has only 150,000 people in it, around 2800 people per square mile.

Why anyone would even think to compare the two is pretty insane. Taking such comparisons seriously is even more insane.

People are leaving the State of New York for a multitude of reasons.
1. High taxes, especially within NYC, which has borough taxes, county taxes, and state taxes, plus high sales tax and usage taxes.
2. Anyone renting within "the city" with multiple wage-earners - and losing one person's wage, likely has to move out due to no longer being able to afford the rent. But in the city, there is rent control - which means they are paying much less than whoever moves in to their old place - and what they can now afford, doesn't exist for new tenants anywhere in the city.
3. Winters - this isn't a new thing, people have moved south due to northern winters - ever since there've been people born and raised in the north.
4. Politics - this is actually not common. There are places in New York that have a very strong 'red' representation, so if that was the big reason, they could've just moved to a red pocket. Or a neighboring state, such as Ohio, which is controlled primarily by Republicans on every level of state government.
5. The expectation of career opportunities - many people come down here thinking they'll get a better job with more money. This isn't true, but it's a reason why they come.
6. Retirement - another "not a new thing." People have been flocking to Florida to retire from New York since the 1950's. The difference between the 1950's and now is - there are more people. More people = more people retiring = more people moving.

You called the poster dumb? Then you made a comparison using the statistics for the entire state of Florida to the statistics for ONE NY county? OK

[chrissy2231]

They have to make room for new arrivals.
Probably not, but just a guess from my old Scrabble days.

[shirleyjerez]

When they made a big thing about “ sex in the square “ how many people in a city 150,000,00 people has many more things happening. We have very few things like that happening . So before you make fun of us, look at any cities our size and see what is going on there. I just wish people from NY City would learn to drive. In the city the take cabs, subways, or walk. Once they get here it’s yeah I can buy a car.

[Aces4]

While this may be a little off-topic The sentiment against New Yorkers has been stated often enough in this thread that I feel the need to comment. Please do not bash us. Take us as individuals the same way you would want us to take you. Both good and bad, there is no other place like New York. And that goes for the people too. If you want a straight answer you will get it from a New Yorker. We will not blow smoke, be politically correct Or use phony southern gentility, telling you what we think you want to hear. By imposing yourStereotypical beliefs upon us, you make us angry. You insult us and wonder why we lash out once we have had enough. If you would keep your snarky comments to yourself and get to know us first, you might get along better with us as with any other group of people. Your views are prejudicial which is no longer tolerated in society. When all is said and done, no matter where I live I will always be a New YorkerAnd I am very very proud of that. So if you wanna make some snarky comments about my post go right ahead because another beauty of being a New Yorker as we simply do not care what you think

Is it bashing NY or angry frustration as to what happened to this once beautiful state and magnificent city. I’ve always had New York City on my bucket list but gave that up about 10 years ago. For those of you ignoring what has happened to that state and city, I suggest you arm yourself and put boots on when touring there. Actually, this city and several others meet that requirement.

[rsimpson]

Wow what a dumb comparison. You're comparing problems with a very small city (geographically), in a small state (geographically) to the entirety of a somewhat large state (geographically).

NYC has approximately 9 million people in it, over around 306 square miles. The last count was approximately 29,000 people per square mile.

The State of Florida has approximately 22 million people in it, over around 66,000 square miles. Florida has only around 406 people per square mile as of last count.

Of course crime will be higher in one of the most densely-populated cities in the country, than in the entirety of a large state that is primarily rural, other than the coasts and very small sections of inland.

Manhattan is only 22 square miles, and has almost 2 million people in it, and at last count was approximately 74,000 people per square mile.

The Villages is around 6 square miles, has only 150,000 people in it, around 2800 people per square mile.

Why anyone would even think to compare the two is pretty insane. Taking such comparisons seriously is even more insane.

People are leaving the State of New York for a multitude of reasons.
1. High taxes, especially within NYC, which has borough taxes, county taxes, and state taxes, plus high sales tax and usage taxes.
2. Anyone renting within "the city" with multiple wage-earners - and losing one person's wage, likely has to move out due to no longer being able to afford the rent. But in the city, there is rent control - which means they are paying much less than whoever moves in to their old place - and what they can now afford, doesn't exist for new tenants anywhere in the city.
3. Winters - this isn't a new thing, people have moved south due to northern winters - ever since there've been people born and raised in the north.
4. Politics - this is actually not common. There are places in New York that have a very strong 'red' representation, so if that was the big reason, they could've just moved to a red pocket. Or a neighboring state, such as Ohio, which is controlled primarily by Republicans on every level of state government.
5. The expectation of career opportunities - many people come down here thinking they'll get a better job with more money. This isn't true, but it's a reason why they come.
6. Retirement - another "not a new thing." People have been flocking to Florida to retire from New York since the 1950's. The difference between the 1950's and now is - there are more people. More people = more people retiring = more people moving.

Well, then compare the crime rates and the people per square mile between NYC and the Philippines. NYC metro area is a poorly run, overtaxed cesspool. It's obvious these poorly run cities accross the US are losing people rapidly for many reasons.

[PugMom]

But hopefully they do not destroy the wonderful “attitude” of Florida. Come on down but leave your Northern cynicism, etc. there. Florida ain’t broke so don’t try to fix it to suit a northern lifestyle you are leaving

we moved here because of the values & policies of Florida. we in no way want it to reflect or be like where we came from

[skyking]

Wow what a dumb comparison. You're comparing problems with a very small city (geographically), in a small state (geographically) to the entirety of a somewhat large state (geographically).

NYC has approximately 9 million people in it, over around 306 square miles. The last count was approximately 29,000 people per square mile.

The State of Florida has approximately 22 million people in it, over around 66,000 square miles. Florida has only around 406 people per square mile as of last count.

Of course crime will be higher in one of the most densely-populated cities in the country, than in the entirety of a large state that is primarily rural, other than the coasts and very small sections of inland.

Manhattan is only 22 square miles, and has almost 2 million people in it, and at last count was approximately 74,000 people per square mile.

The Villages is around 6 square miles, has only 150,000 people in it, around 2800 people per square mile.

Why anyone would even think to compare the two is pretty insane. Taking such comparisons seriously is even more insane.

People are leaving the State of New York for a multitude of reasons.
1. High taxes, especially within NYC, which has borough taxes, county taxes, and state taxes, plus high sales tax and usage taxes.
2. Anyone renting within "the city" with multiple wage-earners - and losing one person's wage, likely has to move out due to no longer being able to afford the rent. But in the city, there is rent control - which means they are paying much less than whoever moves in to their old place - and what they can now afford, doesn't exist for new tenants anywhere in the city.
3. Winters - this isn't a new thing, people have moved south due to northern winters - ever since there've been people born and raised in the north.
4. Politics - this is actually not common. There are places in New York that have a very strong 'red' representation, so if that was the big reason, they could've just moved to a red pocket. Or a neighboring state, such as Ohio, which is controlled primarily by Republicans on every level of state government.
5. The expectation of career opportunities - many people come down here thinking they'll get a better job with more money. This isn't true, but it's a reason why they come.
6. Retirement - another "not a new thing." People have been flocking to Florida to retire from New York since the 1950's. The difference between the 1950's and now is - there are more people. More people = more people retiring = more people moving.

Oh! So it's the population density not the people and the leadership? Wow!

[Remembergoldenrule]

All people moving here to escape bad policy, you left for a variety of reasons. When it is time to vote, remember all those reasons and who was in charge to make the policy. It won’t be any different here if you vote for the same policy makers and then where are you going to move to?

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. -Albert Einstein.

[ThirdOfFive]

While this may be a little off-topic The sentiment against New Yorkers has been stated often enough in this thread that I feel the need to comment. Please do not bash us. Take us as individuals the same way you would want us to take you. Both good and bad, there is no other place like New York. And that goes for the people too. If you want a straight answer you will get it from a New Yorker. We will not blow smoke, be politically correct Or use phony southern gentility, telling you what we think you want to hear. By imposing yourStereotypical beliefs upon us, you make us angry. You insult us and wonder why we lash out once we have had enough. If you would keep your snarky comments to yourself and get to know us first, you might get along better with us as with any other group of people. Your views are prejudicial which is no longer tolerated in society. When all is said and done, no matter where I live I will always be a New YorkerAnd I am very very proud of that. So if you wanna make some snarky comments about my post go right ahead because another beauty of being a New Yorker as we simply do not care what you think
In all honesty I've not seen this "bashing" of New Yorkers, with one rather glaring exception. We've encountered many, mainly golfing, and they've never been anything honest and down-to-earth, nothing like the stereotypes you read about. Almost to a person they're great to be around: not shy about expressing their opinions (then again, neither am I) but they're no better or worse than any other folks we've encountered. Nor have we been a witness to other people bashing them--again, with one exception.

That exception--is other New Yorkers! Where people come from is usually a topic for small talk in golf foursomes. People from New York identify that in one of two ways, either New York, or UPSTATE New York. And the "Upstate" folks are at times not shy about distancing themselves from and then casting aspersions upon their NYC brethren. It is not a common occurrence but it does happen.

I don't much care where people are from. People are people, and if you treat them courteously you'll get the same in return.

[jimjamuser]

Taxes and weather definitely better in Florida, don't know anything else better here. I have been here over 40 years, so I am probably not best judge of this. When I moved to Florida, cost of living was a lot better here than in NY, but not so much now.
I was trying to think about some other things that are better in Fl. You can golf and play tennis and pickleball outside the year round, if you can take the summer humidity. This is a stretch, but if you are an offshore sport fisherman with a decent size boat you can get to the Gulf Stream offshore in about 3 miles from Miami and I guess about 30 or 40 miles offshore from Daytona. The Gulf Stream has trophy fish like Marlin Etc. From New York to the Gulf stream would be MUCH further.
.....Also you can watch and bet on Jae Lai (spelled wrong) in Miami. You can see armadillos in Fl. and NOT N.Y.

[jimjamuser]

Americans Are Leaving High-Tax New York and Moving to Florida (https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/americans-are-leaving-high-tax-new-york-and-moving-to-florida/ar-AA16XpIo?ocid=msedgntp&pc=W046&cvid=2ec34ad88b40404f82d7b2eaf01047dd)
There are a few things to worry about here. More people means more traffic - and IS Fl willing and able (tax money) to pay for more lanes on the roads? More people means more crime. Will The Villages put on more Police officers? As it IS, I see many, many drivers in cars. trucks, and golf carts exceeding the speed limits in the residential areas.
.....In general, since The Villages has no problem SELLING new homes, will they tend to forget about keeping up the "QUALITY of LIFE" in The Villages OR will it de-volute to practically a slightly upscale GHETTO.

[jimjamuser]

Of course you can compare crime rates. NY/Oregon/California/Illinois/and many more states are trying to defund the police and the state attorneys are not prosecuting non-violent crimes, you get a slap in the wrist when robbing a store now. Remember the new Illinois law that just went into effect Jan 1: “As the calendar turns to 2023, Illinois was set to become the first state in the U.S. to completely eliminate cash bail for defendants awaiting criminal trials.”.
Remember the quiet riots in Portland that happened everyday for a year where they demolished the city with fires. Let me check if Florida had the same type of riots.
Besides crime, taxes are much cheaper here, no state income tax here, housing prices are nothing here compared to the west coast or northeast. Electric costs/water costs are much cheaper here, I was paying over $100 a month to water my lawn years ago and other places you aren’t even allowed to water your lawn or wash your car.
Out west, you should NOT even try to HAVE a grass lawn to water. Smart people have gone to all-rock "lawns" to save their money and not waste water. Leaving more for drinking and fighting fires. And again we talk about a problem caused by TOO MUCH population. Florida SHOULD encourage rock lawns.........they ROCK.......sorry, I could NOT resist.

[JMintzer]

Out west, you should NOT even try to HAVE a grass lawn to water. Smart people have gone to all-rock "lawns" to save their money and not waste water. Leaving more for drinking and fighting fires. And again we talk about a problem caused by TOO MUCH population. Florida SHOULD encourage rock lawns.........they ROCK.......sorry, I could NOT resist.

The majority of homes in TV use NON-POTABLE water for their lawns...

But please... Feel free to drink it...

[Whitley]

I couldn’t agree with you more. I lived there for 57 years and have only been out for seven. Hopefully it hasn’t changed that much and I’ve been back many times and didn’t really see a difference. It seems like some of the people down there in the villages would argue the origins of a pimple! I wrote a respectable postExplaining a New Yorkers position but absolutely everything must be attacked or so it seems

Your original post was not as respectful as you seem to think. BTW I am a NY for over 50 years.

[Whitley]

Woo Hoo! I get a pass! MD is south of the Mason-Dixon Line!

While at college in MD I visited the MAson Dixon line. Maryland (at least back then in the 80's) seemed to have one foot in the N and one in the S

[RCMill531@comcast.net]

We have it really great here and want to keep having good times.

[JMintzer]

While at college in MD I visited the MAson Dixon line. Maryland (at least back then in the 80's) seemed to have one foot in the N and one in the S

Well, we are the "Red Headed Step Child"...

The north considers up "dumb southerners" and the south considers us "Yankees"...

[Bilyclub]

All I have to say is that somebody should take their meds. I very surprised the Mods are letting this go on , thread after thread.

[ThirdOfFive]

Well, we are the "Red Headed Step Child"...

The north considers up "dumb southerners" and the south considers us "Yankees"...
I am not for a minute insinuating that the author of the post quoted buys into them, but I think that those are stereotypes with little basis in fact. But how many of us just accept it as fact, and in so doing merely perpetuate the stereotypes? And even worse, how many of us use the stereotypes to avoid interactions with "the other side"?

We're from "the North"; i.e. Yankees. But we count some of our best friends among the "dumb Southerners". One couple, as an example, owns a farm about 45 minutes from TV. As southern as you can get. But besides being a "dumb southern farmer" the husband is also a published author and despite not having any kind of engineering background has designed and implemented automated systems for his farming operation that, in my opinion, are genius-level--AND dirt-cheap. He's a great scrounger!

Stereotypes can be roadblocks.

[Whitley]

Well, we are the "Red Headed Step Child"...

The north considers up "dumb southerners" and the south considers us "Yankees"...

Back then, when Donald Schaeffer was mayor, the city was on the upswing. Today, not so much.

[JMintzer]

All I have to say is that somebody should take their meds. I very surprised the Mods are letting this go on , thread after thread.

Did you report the post?

In most cases, that's the only way they know if there's a problem with a thread, as they don't read every post...

Except for mine... They seem to read every freakin' one of them... :boxing2:

[JMintzer]

Back then, when Donald Schaeffer was mayor, the city was on the upswing. Today, not so much.

"Billy Don"? You mean the "Governor of Baltimore? Not hardly...

[Nucky]

You’re damn right. Make America Florida. Keep you Northeast attitude up there.

Who you talking to homey? Just kidding. We have been here almost 7 years and have been almost deprogrammed and the chip on my shoulder has lessened.

Having the attitude that we come here with is a survival skill when you live in the northeast. It’s useful when you run into a Florida Native who because they lived here first think they own or control the area. So cool your jets Boss Hog. We’re here, we brought our money with us and together with you would like to make it a better place to live for everyone.

I’m proud of my roots but would rather live in the Southern Chilled out manner so just behave and don’t challenge me! The survival skills can come out in a minute.

[Whitley]

"Billy Don"? You mean the "Governor of Baltimore? Not hardly...

From 1971 to 1987 he was the Mayor of Baltimore. After that he ran and won the Governorship. I came out of grad school during this time. Friends were buying and renovating the old rowhouses with the white marble steps. Today the entire area is in very bad shape.

[Vermilion Villager]

I see the New York hate here and think to myself, they are just jealous because we grew up in the greatest city in the world. I'm just here for the weather.

I think 99% of us are just here for the weather........ I will never give up my summer home in Minnesota.

[Chi-Town]

May people from the five boroughs live in my neighborhood. Glad they do; they make for good friends.

[ThirdOfFive]

I think 99% of us are just here for the weather........ I will never give up my summer home in Minnesota.
Judging from the screen name...near Tower?

My wife and I planned on spending summers back in MinneSOATa as well. But wonder of wonders...I discovered I don't mind the summer weather here in TV at all! Like winter up there. The first couple of weeks of snow and cold are--well--challenging. But after that, you just live with it. You learn right quick that the only difference between -20 and -40 is that the mustache frosts up a bit quicker when it is -40.

Plus, I have arthritis in Minnesota. But not here, and especially not in the hot weather.

[Deden]

Do you watch the New's here!

[loufromnewjersey]

No no we are full. Slow sown.
What are we are going to do when TV reaches Disney?

[JMintzer]

From 1971 to 1987 he was the Mayor of Baltimore. After that he ran and won the Governorship. I came out of grad school during this time. Friends were buying and renovating the old rowhouses with the white marble steps. Today the entire area is in very bad shape.

Yeah... He was a great Governor... FOR BALTIMORE... It's like he was still mayor, but with a much larger budget...

But the rest of the state? Nothing but an ATM...

[Scbang]

No no we are full. Slow sown.
What are we are going to do when TV reaches Disney?
Then adult Disney will take over. Instead of 48" height minimum, it'll say 55 age minimum :-)

[sdifede313@aol.com]

Wow what a dumb comparison. You're comparing problems with a very small city (geographically), in a small state (geographically) to the entirety of a somewhat large state (geographically).

NYC has approximately 9 million people in it, over around 306 square miles. The last count was approximately 29,000 people per square mile.

The State of Florida has approximately 22 million people in it, over around 66,000 square miles. Florida has only around 406 people per square mile as of last count.

Of course crime will be higher in one of the most densely-populated cities in the country, than in the entirety of a large state that is primarily rural, other than the coasts and very small sections of inland.

Manhattan is only 22 square miles, and has almost 2 million people in it, and at last count was approximately 74,000 people per square mile.

The Villages is around 6 square miles, has only 150,000 people in it, around 2800 people per square mile.

Why anyone would even think to compare the two is pretty insane. Taking such comparisons seriously is even more insane.

People are leaving the State of New York for a multitude of reasons.
1. High taxes, especially within NYC, which has borough taxes, county taxes, and state taxes, plus high sales tax and usage taxes.
2. Anyone renting within "the city" with multiple wage-earners - and losing one person's wage, likely has to move out due to no longer being able to afford the rent. But in the city, there is rent control - which means they are paying much less than whoever moves in to their old place - and what they can now afford, doesn't exist for new tenants anywhere in the city.
3. Winters - this isn't a new thing, people have moved south due to northern winters - ever since there've been people born and raised in the north.
4. Politics - this is actually not common. There are places in New York that have a very strong 'red' representation, so if that was the big reason, they could've just moved to a red pocket. Or a neighboring state, such as Ohio, which is controlled primarily by Republicans on every level of state government.
5. The expectation of career opportunities - many people come down here thinking they'll get a better job with more money. This isn't true, but it's a reason why they come.
6. Retirement - another "not a new thing." People have been flocking to Florida to retire from New York since the 1950's. The difference between the 1950's and now is - there are more people. More people = more people retiring = more people moving.
Ok sounds like your a retired actuary. Yeah, it’s not just about crime that send people to FLA from NY, but in FLA the way law enforcement approaches “perps” with free reign helps thwart potential criminal activity. Up in “Blueville” the elected miscreants would first prosecute law enforcement and free the scum to commit more crime. So, it’s a big reason to escape from NYC and retire to peace and quite, either in FLA or elsewhere.

[mickey100]

Wow what a dumb comparison. You're comparing problems with a very small city (geographically), in a small state (geographically) to the entirety of a somewhat large state (geographically).

NYC has approximately 9 million people in it, over around 306 square miles. The last count was approximately 29,000 people per square mile.

The State of Florida has approximately 22 million people in it, over around 66,000 square miles. Florida has only around 406 people per square mile as of last count.

Of course crime will be higher in one of the most densely-populated cities in the country, than in the entirety of a large state that is primarily rural, other than the coasts and very small sections of inland.

Manhattan is only 22 square miles, and has almost 2 million people in it, and at last count was approximately 74,000 people per square mile.

The Villages is around 6 square miles, has only 150,000 people in it, around 2800 people per square mile.

Why anyone would even think to compare the two is pretty insane. Taking such comparisons seriously is even more insane.

People are leaving the State of New York for a multitude of reasons.
1. High taxes, especially within NYC, which has borough taxes, county taxes, and state taxes, plus high sales tax and usage taxes.
2. Anyone renting within "the city" with multiple wage-earners - and losing one person's wage, likely has to move out due to no longer being able to afford the rent. But in the city, there is rent control - which means they are paying much less than whoever moves in to their old place - and what they can now afford, doesn't exist for new tenants anywhere in the city.
3. Winters - this isn't a new thing, people have moved south due to northern winters - ever since there've been people born and raised in the north.
4. Politics - this is actually not common. There are places in New York that have a very strong 'red' representation, so if that was the big reason, they could've just moved to a red pocket. Or a neighboring state, such as Ohio, which is controlled primarily by Republicans on every level of state government.
5. The expectation of career opportunities - many people come down here thinking they'll get a better job with more money. This isn't true, but it's a reason why they come.
6. Retirement - another "not a new thing." People have been flocking to Florida to retire from New York since the 1950's. The difference between the 1950's and now is - there are more people. More people = more people retiring = more people moving.

Good, common sense post. Thank you.

[mickey100]

I'm a New Yorker and proud of it. We are not from the city, we lived in a rural area further north. I see so many misconceptions on this thread I feel compelled to correct. First of all, crime statistics. Not everyone lives in New York City. Many people live in smaller cities in NY or rural areas. But the crime in NYC reached a pinnacle in the 80's and early 90's as a result of the crack epidemic. Crime since then has varied up and down each year, but has overall been on a steady decline. If you compare the NYC statistics with those of Orlando, Orlando has almost twice the level of violent crime and property crime. But being a big city, of course there is going to be more crime, than in a retirement community. Why do people retire to Florida? For one thing, there are tax advantages, depending on what state you come from. People from cold areas such as the northeast, have historically retired to warm places like Florida or Arizona. Some posters here think that politics plays a role. Those same people just love to inject politics into every conversation or lifestyle choice. News flash - In all our years of living in NY, we never knew if our friends were Democrats or Republicans. It was something that was not discussed. Politics were generally private, done in the privacy of the voting booth. That is one thing that just floored us moving to The Villages, and I see it on this thread, the hate and vitriol from people who say things like "don't vote here like you did up north", or "leave the Villages and take your politics with you". There are many things we like about the Villages, but if we do move, that would be the reason why - to get away from small minded, hateful people.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

I'm a New Yorker and proud of it. We are not from the city, we lived in a rural area further north. I see so many misconceptions on this thread I feel compelled to correct. First of all, crime statistics. Not everyone lives in New York City. Many people live in smaller cities in NY or rural areas. But the crime in NYC reached a pinnacle in the 80's and early 90's as a result of the crack epidemic. Crime since then has varied up and down each year, but has overall been on a steady decline. If you compare the NYC statistics with those of Orlando, Orlando has almost twice the level of violent crime and property crime. But being a big city, of course there is going to be more crime, than in a retirement community. Why do people retire to Florida? For one thing, there are tax advantages, depending on what state you come from. People from cold areas such as the northeast, have historically retired to warm places like Florida or Arizona. Some posters here think that politics plays a role. Those same people just love to inject politics into every conversation or lifestyle choice. News flash - In all our years of living in NY, we never knew if our friends were Democrats or Republicans. It was something that was not discussed. Politics were generally private, done in the privacy of the voting booth. That is one thing that just floored us moving to The Villages, and I see it on this thread, the hate and vitriol from people who say things like "don't vote here like you did up north", or "leave the Villages and take your politics with you". There are many things we like about the Villages, but if we do move, that would be the reason why - to get away from small minded, hateful people.

Agreed. I'm from Connecticut, spent a lot of time in NYC, had life-long friends in Rockville Center, best friend post-college lived in Warwick. I know what my friends thought about specific issues, but politics - who was running for what, who we were voting for - never came up in conversation. None of us had bumper stickers on our cars or flags of our preferred candidates on our flagpoles or signs in our windows or even on our lawns. Some folks did, but that was just a "Vote For [insert name here] for Mayor" and there was NEVER a sign disparaging the candidate they weren't voting for. Ever. Such insanity was completely unheard of. You SUPPORTED your person. You never insulted the other guy.

If you have to insult the other guy, in order for your person to win, then YOU - personally - lost. You lost your integrity, your humanity, and the only thing you had left was your very myopic community of haters. And so - we just didn't ever do that. And we grew up believing this.

So when I moved to the Villages I never checked to see what party people belonged to, when I was looking for a home. The thought never occurred to me to check. I grew up in an incredibly diverse part of the country. We had our tensions, and there were small pockets of areas that one demographic would not feel safe living in. Even then - it had nothing to do with politics. Racial problems, LGBTQ+ issues, womens' reproductive health - none of these had anything to do with politics, in my neck of the woods. Politics wasn't the driving force of them or the reason there was any division. When people fought, no one was asked to answer the question "what political party are you" before they clobbered each other in an alley. No one gave a crap.

Now, politics seems to be the driving force of every single subject. If someone cares about their autistic child getting a decent education, it's a political thing. If someone is upset that they were mugged on a city street, it's the elected official's fault. If someone has a problem with the idea that a person with a ***** is wearing lipstick and a push-up bra, it's political.

It's all rather ridiculous and trust me - as someone from the Greater New York area - if politics were the reason people moved to Florida, there wouldn't be many northerners coming here at all.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

If crime is not a reason to leave somewhere and move to T V then please, transplanted Villagers, feel free to unlock your doors at night and stop the hypocrisy.

There was very little crime in my suburban part of Connecticut. When I was growing up, most of the neighbors knew where we kept the key to the back door of my house, and all the kids in the neighborhood knew if they got home from school before their parents got home from work and they couldn't find the key to their own house, they could hang out at mine. And vice versa.

We locked our doors at night. I mean - doors have locks, so you can lock them. That's kinda why locks exist. And why keys exist - so they can be unlocked. We had no break-ins, there were no strangers walking around, it wasn't a gated community, or isolated in some rural part of the state. It was just the 'burbs outside New Haven.

Anyone affected by crime up north, could've just moved to an area NOT affected by crime up north. There's also plenty of crime in Florida. Pockets of the state have really bad areas. You just have to read something other than the Daily Sun and listen to something other than VLG to find out about it.

[Aces4]

I'm a New Yorker and proud of it. We are not from the city, we lived in a rural area further north. I see so many misconceptions on this thread I feel compelled to correct. First of all, crime statistics. Not everyone lives in New York City. Many people live in smaller cities in NY or rural areas. But the crime in NYC reached a pinnacle in the 80's and early 90's as a result of the crack epidemic. Crime since then has varied up and down each year, but has overall been on a steady decline. If you compare the NYC statistics with those of Orlando, Orlando has almost twice the level of violent crime and property crime. But being a big city, of course there is going to be more crime, than in a retirement community. Why do people retire to Florida? For one thing, there are tax advantages, depending on what state you come from. People from cold areas such as the northeast, have historically retired to warm places like Florida or Arizona. Some posters here think that politics plays a role. Those same people just love to inject politics into every conversation or lifestyle choice. News flash - In all our years of living in NY, we never knew if our friends were Democrats or Republicans. It was something that was not discussed. Politics were generally private, done in the privacy of the voting booth. That is one thing that just floored us moving to The Villages, and I see it on this thread, the hate and vitriol from people who say things like "don't vote here like you did up north", or "leave the Villages and take your politics with you". There are many things we like about the Villages, but if we do move, that would be the reason why - to get away from small minded, hateful people.

You sincerely believe all the population flight out of New York is for warmer climate? I suggest new glasses because you are missing much and votes are the majority of the problem.

[mickey100]

Agreed. I'm from Connecticut, spent a lot of time in NYC, had life-long friends in Rockville Center, best friend post-college lived in Warwick. I know what my friends thought about specific issues, but politics - who was running for what, who we were voting for - never came up in conversation. None of us had bumper stickers on our cars or flags of our preferred candidates on our flagpoles or signs in our windows or even on our lawns. Some folks did, but that was just a "Vote For [insert name here] for Mayor" and there was NEVER a sign disparaging the candidate they weren't voting for. Ever. Such insanity was completely unheard of. You SUPPORTED your person. You never insulted the other guy.

If you have to insult the other guy, in order for your person to win, then YOU - personally - lost. You lost your integrity, your humanity, and the only thing you had left was your very myopic community of haters. And so - we just didn't ever do that. And we grew up believing this.

So when I moved to the Villages I never checked to see what party people belonged to, when I was looking for a home. The thought never occurred to me to check. I grew up in an incredibly diverse part of the country. We had our tensions, and there were small pockets of areas that one demographic would not feel safe living in. Even then - it had nothing to do with politics. Racial problems, LGBTQ+ issues, womens' reproductive health - none of these had anything to do with politics, in my neck of the woods. Politics wasn't the driving force of them or the reason there was any division. When people fought, no one was asked to answer the question "what political party are you" before they clobbered each other in an alley. No one gave a crap.

Now, politics seems to be the driving force of every single subject. If someone cares about their autistic child getting a decent education, it's a political thing. If someone is upset that they were mugged on a city street, it's the elected official's fault. If someone has a problem with the idea that a person with a ***** is wearing lipstick and a push-up bra, it's political.

It's all rather ridiculous and trust me - as someone from the Greater New York area - if politics were the reason people moved to Florida, there wouldn't be many northerners coming here at all.

:bigbow:

[Aces4]

There was very little crime in my suburban part of Connecticut. When I was growing up, most of the neighbors knew where we kept the key to the back door of my house, and all the kids in the neighborhood knew if they got home from school before their parents got home from work and they couldn't find the key to their own house, they could hang out at mine. And vice versa.

We locked our doors at night. I mean - doors have locks, so you can lock them. That's kinda why locks exist. And why keys exist - so they can be unlocked. We had no break-ins, there were no strangers walking around, it wasn't a gated community, or isolated in some rural part of the state. It was just the 'burbs outside New Haven.

Anyone affected by crime up north, could've just moved to an area NOT affected by crime up north. There's also plenty of crime in Florida. Pockets of the state have really bad areas. You just have to read something other than the Daily Sun and listen to something other than VLG to find out about it.

Florida does not have the crimes and bail laws New York has and a comparison of the two isn’t even close.

[mickey100]

You sincerely believe all the population flight out of New York is for warmer climate? I suggest new glasses because you are missing much and votes are the majority of the problem.

:1rotfl::1rotfl: Again, myopic view of the world relative to political extremism. Most of us don't view everything through the prism of politics. And as others have said, if politics were the reason people moved to Florida, there wouldn't be many Northerners coming here at all.

[Aces4]

:1rotfl::1rotfl: Again, myopic view of the world relative to political extremism. Most of us don't view everything through the prism of politics. And as others have said, if politics were the reason people moved to Florida, there wouldn't be many Northerners coming here at all.

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl: Myopic view of what has happened to New York relative to the actions of extremism. You can endorse all the policies in that state and drag it around the entire USA and see how that works for our country. Who is deterred from crime? We could rob you blind, slowly and determinedly. No jail time for us, too bad for you. Does that give you a sense of peace and security?

[Kgcetm]

I just hope they will keep their hands off the controls. If it didn’t work in NY. It probably won’t work here. “And we really don’t care how you did it up North.

[Whitley]

Yeah... He was a great Governor... FOR BALTIMORE... It's like he was still mayor, but with a much larger budget...

But the rest of the state? Nothing but an ATM...

I believe in an earlier post y7ou mentioned that you were a medical family. That, plus your knowledge of Baltimore makes me wonder if you attended Hopkins.

[manaboutown]

Even migrants are leaving NYC, going to Canada!

Migrants flee NYC for Canada after ‘drugs,’ ‘homeless people’ make life unbearable: report | Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/media/migrants-flee-nyc-for-canada-after-drugs-homeless-people-make-life-unbearable-report?intcmp=fb_fnc&fbclid=IwAR1lDF5Co094hy9OilTge3qFYJhlohDXb4fJBGj0w x2kb0VfOmaY5Teb82c)

[I'm Popeye!]

I see the New York hate here and think to myself, they are just jealous because we grew up in the greatest city in the world. I'm just here for the weather.
I'm also an X-New Yorker, but I would like to leave you a comment:
They also push people onto oncoming trains during the warmer months in NY; stay safe when you leave us again down here.

[JMintzer]

I believe in an earlier post y7ou mentioned that you were a medical family. That, plus your knowledge of Baltimore makes me wonder if you attended Hopkins.

I did do a rotation there, during my residency, but no...

I'm just born and bred in Maryland...

[Woodbear]

Left WNY for the Villages in 2021. We still have a newly built (2017) 2,400 sq foot home, 30x50 pole barn sitting on 98 acres near Chautauqua Lake that we rarely visit. Politics, taxes and weather were our driving factors to leave. Lucky for us that family likes to take care of our property to hunt, fish and ride ATV's. A team of Budweiser Clydesdales could not drag us back to that rotten state.

[Daxdog]

Who you talking to homey? Just kidding. We have been here almost 7 years and have been almost deprogrammed and the chip on my shoulder has lessened.

Having the attitude that we come here with is a survival skill when you live in the northeast. It’s useful when you run into a Florida Native who because they lived here first think they own or control the area. So cool your jets Boss Hog. We’re here, we brought our money with us and together with you would like to make it a better place to live for everyone.

I’m proud of my roots but would rather live in the Southern Chilled out manner so just behave and don’t challenge me! The survival skills can come out in a minute.

Kinda sad you need “survival skills” to live anywhere. When you say a better place to live, do you mean the way you lived up north?

[ThirdOfFive]

Kinda sad you need “survival skills” to live anywhere. When you say a better place to live, do you mean the way you lived up north?
We all have "survival" skills developed as a result of where we live or have lived, whether we realize it or not. Living in Minnesota for most of my life developed skills that I pretty much took for granted, and more or less assumed that others had them too. Which was true--most of the time, and for most Minnesotans. But there are exceptions, and sometimes glaring ones.

Example: I was out for a walk on a rather warm January day (about 30 degrees or so) just after a moderate snowfall. Sidewalks were plowed but the streets were not: they had about an inch of slush on them and as anyone knows who lives in such a climate, warm weather and slush-covered roads = slippery on steroids. I saw a car trying to go up a slight hill but had stopped about halfway, just sitting, rear tires spinning. I went over to see if I could help; the driver was a young woman actually in tears! She had called the police (who hadn't arrived yet) for help in getting up the hill. Her comment: "I'm from Florida! I don't know how to drive in this!" I told her to back down the hill and she looked at me sort of oddly, saying "but I want to go UP the hill". I explained that spinning the tires doesn't work: backing down, then working up some speed in a flat area and easing the car up the hill was the way to do it. She followed my advice and got up the hill with no problem. I hung around and explained it to the cops when they arrived. They got a good chuckle out of it.

I can totally understand how people from crime-ridden areas develop survival skills to cope: expertise in hand-to-hand fighting, for example. Maybe getting a permit and carrying a pistol, hopefully after thoroughly learning how to use it. Areas of cities to avoid because of increased danger. How to deal with people in an assertive manner when those people are seen as possible predators or con artists. Things like that. Maybe some are useful here, maybe not. And we develop the skills needed here, whether or we realize it or not.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Taxes and weather definitely better in Florida, don't know anything else better here. I have been here over 40 years, so I am probably not best judge of this. When I moved to Florida, cost of living was a lot better here than in NY, but not so much now.

That’s because people from the northeast, not just New York, come here and try to turn it into where they came from. I’m from Boston and I saw the same thing happen to southern New Hampshire. People moved there to get away from high taxes, high cost of living and politics that they don’t like. Nor southern NH is basically northern Massachusetts. It’s happening here as well. The south east corner of Florida has turned into New York City with palm trees.

[JMintzer]

That’s because people from the northeast, not just New York, come here and try to turn it into where they came from. I’m from Boston and I saw the same thing happen to southern New Hampshire. People moved there to get away from high taxes, high cost of living and politics that they don’t like. Nor southern NH is basically northern Massachusetts. It’s happening here as well. The south east corner of Florida has turned into New York City with palm trees.

:bigbow::bigbow::bigbow:

[ithos]

That’s because people from the northeast, not just New York, come here and try to turn it into where they came from. I’m from Boston and I saw the same thing happen to southern New Hampshire. People moved there to get away from high taxes, high cost of living and politics that they don’t like. Nor southern NH is basically northern Massachusetts. It’s happening here as well. The south east corner of Florida has turned into New York City with palm trees.

It is not as liberal as it used to be.

Florida Governor Midterm Election Results and Maps 2022 | CNN Politics (https://www.cnn.com/election/2022/results/florida/governor)

And Miami has a Republican Mayor who won 76% of the vote in the last election.

[kp11364]

You’re damn right. Make America Florida. Keep you Northeast attitude up there.

I'm looking forward to coming down, but I can't yet. As far as attitude goes, let's just say that I needed to keep a poker face on November 9, 2016 and was doing a happy dance in my head while everyone around me looked like someone killed their dog... :thumbup:

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

I'm also an X-New Yorker, but I would like to leave you a comment:
They also push people onto oncoming trains during the warmer months in NY; stay safe when you leave us again down here.

There's no subway down here - in fact mass transit is pretty much a joke in this and many other states. Virtually or literally non-existent. I mean we can't even get a functional tram in the Villages, where the older you are, the less likely you're capable of driving, the more you rely on "someone other than yourself" to get you around.

But we have plenty of deaths, and accidents, and injuries. The emergency services folks earn their pay, for sure. Is that because of New Yorkers?

Nope. It's because of old people. Should we ban old people, since they're costing everyone so much money and causing so many accidents and death and injury? I dunno - I don't mind them so much. Maybe New Yorkers aren't the problem though. Maybe it's old people.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

It is not as liberal as it used to be.

Florida Governor Midterm Election Results and Maps 2022 | CNN Politics (https://www.cnn.com/election/2022/results/florida/governor)

And Miami has a Republican Mayor who won 76% of the vote in the last election.

Shhhh don't tell anyone that. People around here hate it when they're told that they're fighting a pointless crusade.

[I'm Popeye!]

There's no subway down here - in fact mass transit is pretty much a joke in this and many other states. Virtually or literally non-existent. I mean we can't even get a functional tram in the Villages, where the older you are, the less likely you're capable of driving, the more you rely on "someone other than yourself" to get you around.

But we have plenty of deaths, and accidents, and injuries. The emergency services folks earn their pay, for sure. Is that because of New Yorkers?

Nope. It's because of old people. Should we ban old people, since they're costing everyone so much money and causing so many accidents and death and injury? I dunno - I don't mind them so much. Maybe New Yorkers aren't the problem though. Maybe it's old people.
Please read more carefully, before posting your outrageous point of view.
I wrote: "They also push people onto oncoming trains during the warmer months in NY". Nothing about Florida or old people! :ho:

[jimbomaybe]

Agreed. I'm from Connecticut, spent a lot of time in NYC, had life-long friends in Rockville Center, best friend post-college lived in Warwick. I know what my friends thought about specific issues, but politics - who was running for what, who we were voting for - never came up in conversation. None of us had bumper stickers on our cars or flags of our preferred candidates on our flagpoles or signs in our windows or even on our lawns. Some folks did, but that was just a "Vote For [insert name here] for Mayor" and there was NEVER a sign disparaging the candidate they weren't voting for. Ever. Such insanity was completely unheard of. You SUPPORTED your person. You never insulted the other guy.

If you have to insult the other guy, in order for your person to win, then YOU - personally - lost. You lost your integrity, your humanity, and the only thing you had left was your very myopic community of haters. And so - we just didn't ever do that. And we grew up believing this.

So when I moved to the Villages I never checked to see what party people belonged to, when I was looking for a home. The thought never occurred to me to check. I grew up in an incredibly diverse part of the country. We had our tensions, and there were small pockets of areas that one demographic would not feel safe living in. Even then - it had nothing to do with politics. Racial problems, LGBTQ+ issues, womens' reproductive health - none of these had anything to do with politics, in my neck of the woods. Politics wasn't the driving force of them or the reason there was any division. When people fought, no one was asked to answer the question "what political party are you" before they clobbered each other in an alley. No one gave a crap.

Now, politics seems to be the driving force of every single subject. If someone cares about their autistic child getting a decent education, it's a political thing. If someone is upset that they were mugged on a city street, it's the elected official's fault. If someone has a problem with the idea that a person with a ***** is wearing lipstick and a push-up bra, it's political.

It's all rather ridiculous and trust me - as someone from the Greater New York area - if politics were the reason people moved to Florida, there wouldn't be many northerners coming here at all.

The "problems" in NY and those other areas area result of the politicians and policies selected by the voters, those choices impact the economy and quality of life ,, do stupid tricks,, get dumb prizes

[jimbomaybe]

Agreed. I'm from Connecticut, spent a lot of time in NYC, had life-long friends in Rockville Center, best friend post-college lived in Warwick. I know what my friends thought about specific issues, but politics - who was running for what, who we were voting for - never came up in conversation. None of us had bumper stickers on our cars or flags of our preferred candidates on our flagpoles or signs in our windows or even on our lawns. Some folks did, but that was just a "Vote For [insert name here] for Mayor" and there was NEVER a sign disparaging the candidate they weren't voting for. Ever. Such insanity was completely unheard of. You SUPPORTED your person. You never insulted the other guy.

If you have to insult the other guy, in order for your person to win, then YOU - personally - lost. You lost your integrity, your humanity, and the only thing you had left was your very myopic community of haters. And so - we just didn't ever do that. And we grew up believing this.

So when I moved to the Villages I never checked to see what party people belonged to, when I was looking for a home. The thought never occurred to me to check. I grew up in an incredibly diverse part of the country. We had our tensions, and there were small pockets of areas that one demographic would not feel safe living in. Even then - it had nothing to do with politics. Racial problems, LGBTQ+ issues, womens' reproductive health - none of these had anything to do with politics, in my neck of the woods. Politics wasn't the driving force of them or the reason there was any division. When people fought, no one was asked to answer the question "what political party are you" before they clobbered each other in an alley. No one gave a crap.

Now, politics seems to be the driving force of every single subject. If someone cares about their autistic child getting a decent education, it's a political thing. If someone is upset that they were mugged on a city street, it's the elected official's fault. If someone has a problem with the idea that a person with a ***** is wearing lipstick and a push-up bra, it's political.

It's all rather ridiculous and trust me - as someone from the Greater New York area - if politics were the reason people moved to Florida, there wouldn't be many northerners coming here at all.

The "problems" in NY and those other areas area result of the politicians and policies selected by the voters, those choices impact the economy and quality of life ,, do stupid tricks,, get dumb prizes, I don't think people not wanting to follow the lead of demonstrated mistakes unreasonable, or insulting to question the voter who put the politician in office

[Dr.Butler]

Crime in NYC is a factor as well. Major crime continues to surge in NYC, up 36% this year: new police data (https://nypost.com/2022/08/08/major-crime-continues-to-surge-in-nyc-up-36-this-year-new-police-data/)

Careful
"Florida, USA has crime index above the national average and New York, USA has crime index below the national average"
"Overall, crime rates in the most violent cities in Florida are 2.6 times higher than the national average."

Subjectively, we live in a pretty safe area, But the state itself is not really safe crime wise. I can think of plenty of areas you wouldn't want to be in during the evening here in Florida.

[Dr.Butler]

Even migrants are leaving NYC, going to Canada!

Migrants flee NYC for Canada after ‘drugs,’ ‘homeless people’ make life unbearable: report | Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/media/migrants-flee-nyc-for-canada-after-drugs-homeless-people-make-life-unbearable-report?intcmp=fb_fnc&fbclid=IwAR1lDF5Co094hy9OilTge3qFYJhlohDXb4fJBGj0w x2kb0VfOmaY5Teb82c)

Please don't use Faux News as a source....

[JMintzer]

Please don't use Faux News as a source....

Everybody Drink!

How 'bout you post a better source?

[manaboutown]

Careful
"Florida, USA has crime index above the national average and New York, USA has crime index below the national average"
"Overall, crime rates in the most violent cities in Florida are 2.6 times higher than the national average."

Subjectively, we live in a pretty safe area, But the state itself is not really safe crime wise. I can think of plenty of areas you wouldn't want to be in during the evening here in Florida.

My citation relates to crime in New York City, not New York State. I was addressing the attractiveness of moving to The Villages, a relatively safe place to escape crime in New York City.

[manaboutown]

Please don't use Faux News as a source....

I use Fox News because it presents the facts. The main stream media mostly generates fake news and propaganda.

[JMintzer]

I use Fox News because it presents the facts. The main stream media mostly generates fake news and propaganda.

I don't fool myself into thinking FOX News doesn't have it's own bias. Tucker, Hannity, etc are most certainly biased...

But as far as STRAIGHT news goes, to can't beat Brett Baier...

CNN doesn't have anyone who can compare, nor does MSNBC... It's not even close...

[sdifede313@aol.com]

Wow! This is a big conversation. Just to add my two cents, I’d like to say that the tide is beginning to turn, politically at least. Florida has a lot to love, it’s a great place to retire to or to add a vacation home. NY has some many conveniences, it’s a hard place to leave behind. I hope to have a second home soon down south, it sure exactly where, I know it’s not Boca, or Tampa. What makes TV such a great place? Please share, I’d love to hear from you.

[manaboutown]

Wow! This is a big conversation. Just to add my two cents, I’d like to say that the tide is beginning to turn, politically at least. Florida has a lot to love, it’s a great place to retire to or to add a vacation home. NY has some many conveniences, it’s a hard place to leave behind. I hope to have a second home soon down south, it sure exactly where, I know it’s not Boca, or Tampa. What makes TV such a great place? Please share, I’d love to hear from you.

Why don't you start a thread titled "What makes The Villages such a great place? I betcha you'd get many, many informative responses.

[MickeyStevens]

but hopefully they do not destroy the wonderful “attitude” of florida. Come on down but leave your northern cynicism, etc. There. Florida ain’t broke so don’t try to fix it to suit a northern lifestyle you are leaving

ditto!!!!