The Villages goes WOKE

[Tvflguy]

I’ve noticed over the last few weeks that TV new home floor plans label the “Master” suite and bath as “Primary”.

A subtle indication of softness which is spreading across our country. Words hurt? It continues for anything that may “offend” someone in our language use.

[shut the front door]

What are they calling plantation shutters these days?

[Marathon Man]

I’ve noticed over the last few weeks that TV new home floor plans label the “Master” suite and bath as “Primary”.

A subtle indication of softness which is spreading across our country. Words hurt? It continues for anything that may “offend” someone in our language use.

Language evolves. Old terms and phrases go away in favor of something else. No one says "twenty three skidoo" or "outa sight" anymore. No big deal.

[JMintzer]

Language evolves. Old terms and phrases go away in favor of something else. No one says "twenty three skidoo" or "outa sight" anymore. No big deal.

We shall now refer to you as "Circle-K Man"... :p:p:p

[tvbound]

Whining about this is simply another example, of those who weren't smart enough to know that Archie Bunker was meant to be a caricature of an abhorrent human being...not a role model. lol

[Keefelane66]

I’ve noticed over the last few weeks that TV new home floor plans label the “Master” suite and bath as “Primary”.

A subtle indication of softness which is spreading across our country. Words hurt? It continues for anything that may “offend” someone in our language use.
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[Tvflguy]

Whining about this is simply another example, of those who weren't smart enough to know that Archie Bunker was meant to be a caricature of an abhorrent human being...not a role model. lol

So if you don’t agree with a comment, it’s whining. Have no clue why Archie B equates with this matter…

[Jayhawk]

I’ve noticed over the last few weeks that TV new home floor plans label the “Master” suite and bath as “Primary”.

A subtle indication of softness which is spreading across our country. Words hurt? It continues for anything that may “offend” someone in our language use.

This is far from unique to The Villages.
Access Denied (https://realestate.usnews.com/real-estate/articles/what-should-you-call-a-master-bedroom-instead#:~:text=What's%20a%20Better%20Name%20for,m ain%20bedroom%20of%20a%20home).


Why the Change?

Real estate professionals and trade associations regularly examine whether a term commonly used in real estate advertising or that is part of the lexicon is appropriate with the room, feature or property it’s associated with.

What’s a Better Name for This Room?

The most popular choice throughout the real estate industry to replace “master bedroom” is “primary bedroom,” which notes the room’s prominence.

Keskinkaya says she hears people correcting themselves as they work to break the habit of what they call the main bedroom of a home. “They’ll say, ‘Is this the master – I mean, primary – bedroom?” she says. “It’s starting to become the normal.”

[Garywt]

First off I see people using Woke all of a sudden and have no idea what that is or means.

Second, while watching HVTV and Magnolia Channels they use Primary rather than Master and it drives me crazy. These words do not need to be changed, people read too much into things and they just change too much. These must be the same people trying to change or eliminate our history.

[ThirdOfFive]

I’ve noticed over the last few weeks that TV new home floor plans label the “Master” suite and bath as “Primary”.

A subtle indication of softness which is spreading across our country. Words hurt? It continues for anything that may “offend” someone in our language use.
"A rose, by any other name, would smell as sweet".

I declared myself blessedly free of "Woke", actually back to its predecessor "Political correctness". It is a great feeling!

[Billy1]

Who uses the primary designated rooms?

[Hardlyworking]

We shall now refer to you as "Circle-K Man"... :p:p:p

Good one!

[photo1902]

I’ve noticed over the last few weeks that TV new home floor plans label the “Master” suite and bath as “Primary”.

A subtle indication of softness which is spreading across our country. Words hurt? It continues for anything that may “offend” someone in our language use.

Aren't you tired of using that cliché term by now?

Realtors and builders nationwide have been using Primary or Principal to refer to bedrooms for the last five years or so.

[I'm Popeye!]

Aren't you tired of using that cliché term by now?

Realtors and builders nationwide have been using Primary or Principle to refer to bedrooms for the last five years or so.
Wokeism: A good way to destroy our youngster's brain...
This Principle is in charge of that Primary School.
I'm in charge of my Master Bedroom!

[billethkid]

BS!
Again more of the tail wagging the dog!

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:censored:

[Caymus]

I worked in factory automation for years. We had cascade control algorithms that incorporated a master and a slave control loop. I wonder when the wokes will rename them.

[Bill14564]

I worked in factory automation for years. We had cascade control algorithms that incorporated a master and a slave control loop. I wonder when the wokes will rename them.

A few years back if I remember correctly.

[Laker14]

I’ve noticed over the last few weeks that TV new home floor plans label the “Master” suite and bath as “Primary”.

A subtle indication of softness which is spreading across our country. Words hurt? It continues for anything that may “offend” someone in our language use.

Wokeism: A good way to destroy our youngster's brain...
This Principle is in charge of that Primary School.
I'm in charge of my Master Bedroom!

So if both posts are accepted as truth, then it logically follows that calling a "Master Suite" the "Primary Suite", is a "good way to destroy our youngster's brain"...

got it. Thanks for the heads up.

[ThirdOfFive]

BS!
Again more of the tail wagging the dog!

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:censored:
Bingo!

[coffeebean]

What are they calling plantation shutters these days?

LOL Good one!

As an aside........our home has a master bedroom and master suite. That is what they were labeled when we purchased the home and we still refer to them with those names today.

[New Englander]

When I want to sleep tonight, I'll go to my Master Bedroom and in the morning I'll make some Aunt Jemima Pancakes.

[coffeebean]

First off I see people using Woke all of a sudden and have no idea what that is or means.

Second, while watching HVTV and Magnolia Channels they use Primary rather than Master and it drives me crazy. These words do not need to be changed, people read too much into things and they just change too much. These must be the same people trying to change or eliminate our history.

Yup.....too much "woke" stuff going on. I do understand why the use of the word "master" is frowned upon by the woke generation but I do not agree with any of that stuff. It is infuriating to see our history being erased.

[rsimpson]

Language evolves. Old terms and phrases go away in favor of something else. No one says "twenty three skidoo" or "outa sight" anymore. No big deal.
This is not a case of evolving language. This is part of the continued WOKE attack on our language and history. Our country, life, liberty, and freedom of speach are all a big deal.

[coffeebean]

This is not a case of evolving language. This is part of the continued WOKE attack on our language and history. Our country, life, liberty, and freedom of speach are all a big deal.

Agree. I have seen it with my own eyes what indoctrination can do the the minds of young people. My niece went to a college in Boston and had a long period of time that she and her father did not speak to each other. Sad really.

[ThirdOfFive]

This is not a case of evolving language. This is part of the continued WOKE attack on our language and history. Our country, life, liberty, and freedom of speach are all a big deal.
Agreed. Slang is one thing. Established language written and spoken in grammatically correct form is quite another.

[photo1902]

Another day, another topic to rile up the old people. A lot of hand-wringing for nothing.

[JGibson]

NBA changed the word "owners" to "governors"

I wonder what are they gonna do about the Masters golf tournament. Surely they have to change that name.

In NY they changed the name from inmates to incarcerated individual.

Master comes from the Latin word magistier, which means chief.

How about Master Carpenter, does that have to go?

I get a kick out of the word game mental gymnastics. lol.

[JMintzer]

This is far from unique to The Villages.
Access Denied (https://realestate.usnews.com/real-estate/articles/what-should-you-call-a-master-bedroom-instead#:~:text=What's%20a%20Better%20Name%20for,m ain%20bedroom%20of%20a%20home).


Why the Change?

Real estate professionals and trade associations regularly examine whether a term commonly used in real estate advertising or that is part of the lexicon is appropriate with the room, feature or property it’s associated with.

What’s a Better Name for This Room?

The most popular choice throughout the real estate industry to replace “master bedroom” is “primary bedroom,” which notes the room’s prominence.

Keskinkaya says she hears people correcting themselves as they work to break the habit of what they call the main bedroom of a home. “They’ll say, ‘Is this the master – I mean, primary – bedroom?” she says. “It’s starting to become the normal.”

No one said it was "unique to TV"...

It was just opined that they are jumping on the language police bandwagon...

[JMintzer]

NBA changed the word "owners" to "governors"

I wonder what are they gonna do about the Masters golf tournament. Surely they have to change that name.

In NY they changed the name from inmates to incarcerated individual.

Master comes from the Latin word magistier, which means chief.

How about Master Carpenter, does that have to go?

I get a kick out of the word game mental gymnastics. lol.

I can't wait until they change the title and words to one of my favorite songs in "Les Misérables"...

"Primary Resident of the House!" :loco:

[Pairadocs]

I’ve noticed over the last few weeks that TV new home floor plans label the “Master” suite and bath as “Primary”.

A subtle indication of softness which is spreading across our country. Words hurt? It continues for anything that may “offend” someone in our language use.

LOL, LOL, LOL, most of the age group looking here would just assume leaving out an IMPORTANT feature (in an effort to "rename" it) would just cause them to move on from that ad, LOL ! Wonder what will be NEXT ? NO MORE Master planning for community councils ? No more Master plumbers or electricians... all EQUALLY mediocre ? Can't wait to see what they call the most experienced captains at sea... no more Master mariners ! Let's see, good thing they no longer make the American made "Mix Masters", it was THE food mixer to have when my gram made the cookies and goodies from the day after thanks giving on until Christmas ! No more "mastering" the art of painting, or ballet, or calligraphy ? Such a sad, sad, word. Trying to RE-define, eliminate, and entire language does have it's perks....it is part of erasing the culture of a people ! Orwell, Pasternak, Stalin, Lenin, etc. Foolish people, foolish villages real estate people, jump on the latest "band wagon", who cares where it's headed !

[Pairadocs]

What are they calling plantation shutters these days?

I LOVE that ! Perhaps "light equality filtering systems" ?

[Pairadocs]

Whining about this is simply another example, of those who weren't smart enough to know that Archie Bunker was meant to be a caricature of an abhorrent human being...not a role model. lol

Haven't read anyone on here "whining" yet, most seem to be just amused at the thought that a person would actually be "offended" if a master plumber showed up to fix their leak ! As for Bunker, think maybe that was a comedy TV show. Comedy, the ability to laugh at the foolish thing we and others do, has resulted in a very think skinned, overly sensitive, population that must have a "safe space" to avoid the micro aggression they "might" encounter in life. Sure hope we don't encounter WW III, we'll loose for sure !

[Jayhawk]

No one said it was "unique to TV"...

It was just opined that they are jumping on the language police bandwagon...

Actually, the OP SPECIFICALLY referred to The Villages.

"The Villages goes WOKE"
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I’ve noticed over the last few weeks that TV new home floor plans label the “Master” suite and bath as “Primary”.

[JMintzer]

Actually, the OP SPECIFICALLY referred to The Villages.

"The Villages goes WOKE"
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I’ve noticed over the last few weeks that TV new home floor plans label the “Master” suite and bath as “Primary”.



Again, he/she/they (see what I did there?) did not say ONLY TV... I do believe it's "common knowledge" that this has been going on (nationally) for some time. A reasonable person would surmise that TV is now JOINING those who feel the need to change perfectly acceptable language...

[Caymus]

NBA changed the word "owners" to "governors"

I wonder what are they gonna do about the Masters golf tournament. Surely they have to change that name.

In NY they changed the name from inmates to incarcerated individual.

Master comes from the Latin word magistier, which means chief.

How about Master Carpenter, does that have to go?

I get a kick out of the word game mental gymnastics. lol.

.....or a Masters level degree.

[JMintzer]

You must have been a good debater. You can argue either side of an issue regardless of facts or falsehoods. You definitely enjoy it.

True... I am a "Master (or should I say "Primary"?) Debater...

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

So if you don’t agree with a comment, it’s whining. Have no clue why Archie B equates with this matter…

Of course you don't.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Haven't read anyone on here "whining" yet, most seem to be just amused at the thought that a person would actually be "offended" if a master plumber showed up to fix their leak ! As for Bunker, think maybe that was a comedy TV show. Comedy, the ability to laugh at the foolish thing we and others do, has resulted in a very think skinned, overly sensitive, population that must have a "safe space" to avoid the micro aggression they "might" encounter in life. Sure hope we don't encounter WW III, we'll loose for sure !

I'm more amused that so many posters here are offended by the word "Primary."

[Laker14]

True... I am a "Master (or should I say "Primary"?) Debater...

good thing you included that syllable, "de"....

just sayin'

[kcrazorbackfan]

This is not a case of evolving language. This is part of the continued WOKE attack on our language and history. Our country, life, liberty, and freedom of speach are all a big deal.

Unfortunately, it was a big deal to our generation and many, many, many past generations. No more…

[Dave951]

Anyone out there have a "Masters Degree"

[tophcfa]

Anyone out there have a "Masters Degree"

I do. I also WOKE up this morning in our master bedroom and took a leak in the master bathroom.

[dwoodley1975]

Adapt changes. Things change most are afraid of changes. I am all about changes.

[justjim]

.....or a Masters level degree.

Primary degree doesn’t sound quite right.

[I'm Popeye!]

I'm more amused that so many posters here are offended by the word "Primary."

Not offended at all, just nutty WOKEsters forcing it down our throats on how to use words.
Why not say it the way your Mom and Dad used to say it, MASTER BEDROOM!
You can just get out of your Primary room and go vote in the Primary because it's a Primary concern to do so.

[Laker14]

Unfortunately, it was a big deal to our generation and many, many, many past generations. No more…

I really don't think my parents were this emotionally invested in the term "master bedroom"...

[JMintzer]

good thing you included that syllable, "de"....

just sayin'

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[Aces4]

I'm more amused that so many posters here are offended by the word "Primary."

Not me, I can’t wait to primary a new skill!

[Laker14]

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[MrChip72]

I'm not sure whether it's more funny or concerning that someone cares so much about what it's called. They mean the same thing. They used to refer to pants as trousers and I don't think that was because of some woke agenda 40 years ago.

This is getting out of hand with people labelling a minor incremental change as "woke".

[Taltarzac725]

I'm not sure whether it's more funny or concerning that someone cares so much about what it's called. They mean the same thing. They used to refer to pants as trousers and I don't think that was because of some woke agenda 40 years ago.

This is getting out of hand with people labelling a minor incremental change as "woke".

The tactic is to distract people from more important matters. Kind of like throwing a bone by a watchdog so you can get past it.

[Pairadocs]

First off I see people using Woke all of a sudden and have no idea what that is or means.

Second, while watching HVTV and Magnolia Channels they use Primary rather than Master and it drives me crazy. These words do not need to be changed, people read too much into things and they just change too much. These must be the same people trying to change or eliminate our history.

"New is old", "old is new", we've just carried all of this to the maximum limit I think. Orwell's "new speak", everyone apologizing for their "aggression's". People read too much into things is right ! I like the comment about what in the world are we going to do about "plantation" shutters ! Is it time to stop calling them tea plantations, and start calling them tea "farms", would THAT satisfy the micro aggression people ? Not like we don't have some REAL issues that need to be studied and solved ! It's an old saying, but, some people really DO need to find a LIFE, maybe volunteer at a veteran organization or home, a church, a soup kitchen, but find SOMETHING of substance to give your life some meaning...other than proposing "new speak" for plantation shutters and master bedrooms or bathrooms.

[Pairadocs]

The tactic is to distract people from more important matters. Kind of like throwing a bone by a watchdog so you can get past it.

EXACTLY ! Congrats, one thinking person who can actually ANALYZE ! Perhaps you are from back in the day when Machiavelli was actually REQUIRED reading in high schools ? !

[Taltarzac725]

EXACTLY ! Congrats, one thinking person who can actually ANALYZE ! Perhaps you are from back in the day when Machiavelli was actually REQUIRED reading in high schools ? !

I have read some of Machiavelli's works. I have two BAs. One in Philosophy and the other in History. His writings came up every so often. And I have a Masters in Librarianship and Information Management. Then a law degree where his work also came up in some of the classes.

[bsloan1960]

Language evolves. Old terms and phrases go away in favor of something else. No one says "twenty three skidoo" or "outa sight" anymore. No big deal.

It is completely different and you know it. No one says twenty three skidoo anymore because it is a fad that has passed. The intentional manipulation of language in our current society is not a natural progression away from fads but an aggressive attempt to destroy traditions that are not harmful. If someone wants to discourage a person from being called a "Master" that is understandable, but no one is harmed by referring to a bedroom as a "Master bedroom". If you argue that there is harm then you reveal that your comparison to twenty three skidoo was an attempt at feigned ignorance. No one will ever be Woke Enough- each time the bar is raised it will be raised again and again. The science fiction writers got one thing right- eventually we will all be compressed in an identical mold, wearing a single accepted garment, and afraid to speak except in a limited number of approved expressions.

[Two Bills]

Perhaps now the word 'Queer' is an acceptable gender, we can have the word 'Gay' back as a normal adjective?

[Two Bills]

It is completely different and you know it. No one says twenty three skidoo anymore because it is a fad that has passed. The intentional manipulation of language in our current society is not a natural progression away from fads but an aggressive attempt to destroy traditions that are not harmful. If someone wants to discourage a person from being called a "Master" that is understandable, but no one is harmed by referring to a bedroom as a "Master bedroom". If you argue that there is harm then you reveal that your comparison to twenty three skidoo was an attempt at feigned ignorance. No one will ever be Woke Enough- each time the bar is raised it will be raised again and again. The science fiction writers got one thing right- eventually we will all be compressed in an identical mold, wearing a single accepted garment, and afraid to speak except in a limited number of approved expressions.

Well said.
Just as no one will ever be green enough, religious enough, etc. etc.
The zealots rule!

[Worldseries27]

i’ve noticed over the last few weeks that tv new home floor plans label the “master” suite and bath as “primary”.

A subtle indication of softness which is spreading across our country. Words hurt? It continues for anything that may “offend” someone in our language use.
this is the only word that matters to me

[mickey100]

Adapt changes. Things change most are afraid of changes. I am all about changes.

Me too. This whole thread is so typical of old people. They want everything to stay the same. Get real. Life changes, and smart people adapt. And why has the word "woke" become a slur? Woke means being politically aware, awake, realizing that society doesn’t treat everyone equally and accepting into the fact that everyone experiences life differently. So if someone calls their bedroom the primary bedroom it is being "woke" ?Huh? It doesn't even make sense. Don't you people have something more important to care about?

[Worldseries27]

the tactic is to distract people from more important matters. Kind of like throwing a bone by a watchdog so you can get past it.
so woke = relief valve²

[jimbomaybe]

So if you don’t agree with a comment, it’s whining. Have no clue why Archie B equates with this matter…

I like to think that there are many people who missed the the point of AB , it allows me to inflate my self image, I will not call someone who is not a citizen of our country an alien, who entered illegally an illegal alien, but a migrant so I can distance myself from from the practical and legal ramifications and and feel noble and generous

[ChrisTinaBruce]

Source, please. Being in the residential building products industry since 1987 i can confirm Master is still used predominantly.

Just since 2020 have I seen primary and this was only in NYC and Northern California.

Aren't you tired of using that cliché term by now?

Realtors and builders nationwide have been using Primary or Principal to refer to bedrooms for the last five years or so.

[Two Bills]

Me too. This whole thread is so typical of old people. They want everything to stay the same. Get real. Life changes, and smart people adapt. And why has the word "woke" become a slur? Woke means being politically aware, awake, realizing that society doesn’t treat everyone equally and accepting into the fact that everyone experiences life differently. So if someone calls their bedroom the primary bedroom it is being "woke" ?Huh? It doesn't even make sense. Don't you people have something more important to care about?

I disagree.
Most people read or use a word purely in context of the subject being discussed.
Far to many are looking to be offended by the use of any word despite the context.
Master, Primary, Main, Big, whatever, who gives a toss?
In context they describe the subject.
Far to many thin skins around today!

[Rwirish]

I do.

[photo1902]

Source, please. Being in the residential building products industry since 1987 i can confirm Master is still used predominantly.

Just since 2020 have I seen primary and this was only in NYC and Northern California.

“Main floor primary suite has a lovely reading nook with access to the back patio, huge walk-in closet with built in safe and bath w/dual vanities.” Adasgun Jones Realty, Hartford, Wisconsin

“The primary suite has a full bath and walk-in closet.”Coldwell Banker, Ohio

“The Nouveau Collection will feature four unique home designs offering rear two-car garages, front porches, open kitchen/great room combos, outdoor living, loft spaces, luxurious primary bedroom suites”. Toll Brothers builders, Maryland

“The owner's suite boasts big daylight private views to the rear of the property”, Morris Raney Real Estate, Georgia

“The home features an attached guest suite, complete with 1 car garage, main level primary suite, an open floor plan”, Clear Creek, Tahoe

“Primary Bed Downstairs”, Blackburn Communities, Mississippi

Just a small sampling. Now it’s coffee time.

[Mrmean58]

I’ve noticed over the last few weeks that TV new home floor plans label the “Master” suite and bath as “Primary”.

A subtle indication of softness which is spreading across our country. Words hurt? It continues for anything that may “offend” someone in our language use.

The label changes were adopted by the national builders and realtor associations a couple years ago. It's not just a Villages thing.

[photo1902]

The label changes were adopted by the national builders and realtor associations a couple years ago. It's not just a Villages thing.

Correct.

Like a Rolling Stone (https://www.nar.realtor/realtor-ae-magazine/like-a-rolling-stone)

[mickey100]

I disagree.
Most people read or use a word purely in context of the subject being discussed.
Far to many are looking to be offended by the use of any word despite the context.
Master, Primary, Main, Big, whatever, who gives a toss?
In context they describe the subject.
Far to many thin skins around today!

Actually we agree. The point is, the definition of "woke" would not apply to the labeling of a bedroom in a house.

[tvbound]

Yup.....too much "woke" stuff going on. I do understand why the use of the word "master" is frowned upon by the woke generation but I do not agree with any of that stuff. It is infuriating to see our history being erased.

"It is infuriating to see our history being erased."


What history is being "erased" and how is it supposedly being done? Refusing to glorify the ugly parts of our country's history (treason from some states and those who led it) with monuments/statues/plaques/etc., is far from erasing history and is in fact simply shining a bright light on it - so that we can learn and not repeat those abhorrent mistakes.

Book banning and the refusal to discuss real race history, are much more of a threat to this country ever reaching its full potential and promise of equality.

The real problem for so many, is that factual history is being revealed/disseminated to more and more people and that is outrageous to them. For instance, how many had been taught, or knew, of the Tulsa Race Massacre - until recent years?

Be assured, that the outrage of changing the name of the largest bedroom in a house to 'owner's suite/primary bedroom' is not a coincidence that it's coming from whites - who would have been historically considered...'The Master's.'

[Sandy and Ed]

Whining about this is simply another example, of those who weren't smart enough to know that Archie Bunker was meant to be a caricature of an abhorrent human being...not a role model. lol
The six of us kids (siblings) would affectionately refer to Dad as “Archie”. Didn’t agree with how he was raised but loved him just the same. Just as language changes so do people and their attitudes. Shame that we ALL can’t realize that and move forward instead of picking at scabs. Otherwise they never heal.

[tvbound]

The six of us kids (siblings) would affectionately refer to Dad as “Archie”. Didn’t agree with how he was raised but loved him just the same. Just as language changes so do people and their attitudes. Shame that we ALL can’t realize that and move forward instead of picking at scabs. Otherwise they never heal.

There's a huge difference between "picking at a scab" and having a current festering/infected wound - that many want to completely ignore.

[RiderOnTheStorm]

I’ve noticed over the last few weeks that TV new home floor plans label the “Master” suite and bath as “Primary”.

A subtle indication of softness which is spreading across our country. Words hurt? It continues for anything that may “offend” someone in our language use.


Electrical plugs have "male" and "female" configurations. I wonder how wokeness will treat these? I don't think that I would want "gender fluid" electrical outlets in my house.

[Sandy and Ed]

There's a huge difference between "picking at a scab" and having a current festering/infected wound - that many want to completely ignore.
Maybe that festering wound is festering and unhealed because some want to keep picking at it. After awhile it gets bigger and bigger and more infected. Just leave it alone and let it heal. Brainwashing people to believe they are racist when they are not?? There must be a special place in hell for people like that.

[Rainger99]

In NY they changed the name from inmates to incarcerated individual.

I thought this was fake news. It is not!

New York to Replace ‘Inmate’ With ‘Incarcerated Individual’ (https://www.governing.com/community/new-york-to-replace-inmate-with-incarcerated-individual)

[nick demis]

I intentionally look for any way I can oppose wokeness. Not sorry if it offends anyone.

[MikeVillages]

I’ve noticed over the last few weeks that TV new home floor plans label the “Master” suite and bath as “Primary”.
...
Master Bedroom is not an option in the floor plan of the iRobot app. However you are allowed to use custom names so we named the master bedroom, Master Bedroom.

[GizmoWhiskers]

I’ve noticed over the last few weeks that TV new home floor plans label the “Master” suite and bath as “Primary”.

A subtle indication of softness which is spreading across our country. Words hurt? It continues for anything that may “offend” someone in our language use.
They also removed all the covered wagons as to not upset anyone. They were such a neat thing to see representing settlers coming here. Must have offended the woke. WOKE: Political correctness killing history and the future.

[remarks006]

What a sad statement you make. People who fear change and fight it are the reason women could not get a credit card until the 1970’s without a husband’s permission. Yea,,, you read that right. Change helps us grow. Education helps us understand why we need to evolve. I suggest a dose of both so you too , can become a better, more aware human being.

[JMintzer]

I'm not sure whether it's more funny or concerning that someone cares so much about what it's called. They mean the same thing. They used to refer to pants as trousers and I don't think that was because of some woke agenda 40 years ago.

This is getting out of hand with people labelling a minor incremental change as "woke".

It's not the change (like trousers to pants)...

It's WHY they keep making these ridiculous changes...

[ThirdOfFive]

I like to think that there are many people who missed the the point of AB , it allows me to inflate my self image, I will not call someone who is not a citizen of our country an alien, who entered illegally an illegal alien, but a migrant so I can distance myself from from the practical and legal ramifications and and feel noble and generous
Odd, how the actual migrants feel about this.

My wife is a Migrant. In the traditional sense. She was born and raised in Thailand, coming to America as an adult through the FRONT door: Proper applications made out and submitted, various interviews, etc. etc. She still recalls the day she took the oath of allegiance to America (yes, there is one) that legal migrants swear, as one of the proudest days of her life. Here it is, below:

“I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all
allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty, of whom
or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen;
...that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of
America against all enemies, foreign and domestic;
...that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same;
...that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law;
...that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States
when required by the law;
...that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when
required by the law; and
...that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of
evasion; so help me God.”

Guess how LEGAL migrants to America feel about the illegals--the people who sneak, slither and crawl in while people like my wife work their posteriors off making sure that all the "i"s are dotted and "t"s are crossed, so that they can stand proudly before their new countrymen as new citizens--equals. Probably don't have to think too hard on this one. Almost to a person, the illegals are detested by the LEGALS. They see the illegals as short-circuiting a system that they endured proudly in order to become an American. Additionally they see the illegals (correctly, in my opinion) as giving ALL migrants to the United States, legal or not, a bad name.

Another standard of comparison. My wife grew up dirt-poor in Thailand, rejected by her mother, raised by her grandmother and aunt. Even as a young child she had to wake up at 3 AM every day to help prepare the food for sale that was their small family's only source of income. Following that, she went to school. School kids in Thailand wear uniforms and she had only one, which she'd wash at night and hope it would dry by morning. If not, she wore it damp. Often she could not afford lunch so to avoid embarrassment she'd go study in the library while the other students ate. She had to fight to remain in school beyond the fourth grade, but she persevered. Going into high school meant extra expenses, so at age 13 she took a job tying structural steel at construction sites during the summer. Ever tied structural steel? Ever been in Thailand in the summer? I've done both, and believe me the heat in Thailand in the summer makes the hottest summer day in TV feel like a balmy early spring day. But that was then. Today, my wife can look back on a life and career in America where she earned two University degrees as well as a theology degree. She is not only bilingual but biliterate as well, formerly very active in American politics not only at the grassroots level but as a state-level delegate, active in her community and church, well-liked and greatly respected. Her business (marketing) degree meant an income that in later years anyway exceeded mine, and her business sense means that we together have a VERY comfortable retirement. My wife in many respects is the ideal; the kind of migrant we SHOULD be seeking, instead of acquiescing to the hordes oozing into America; people whose idea of a "career" in all too many cases, means slurping at the public trough.

So yes. My wife (and even more so, myself) both resent the hell out of the so-called "woke" people who make every attempt to hide reality by cute euphemisms and dancing around the truth, congratulating themselves all the while about how wise and far-seeing they are. Hiding from reality, be it by euphemisms or whatever, only exacerbates the problem, and I doubt that very many people really understand just what a huge problem ILLEGAL immigration is in America today.

[Beyond The Wall]

I’ve noticed over the last few weeks that TV new home floor plans label the “Master” suite and bath as “Primary”.

A subtle indication of softness which is spreading across our country. Words hurt? It continues for anything that may “offend” someone in our language use.

Real estate across the country have made this type of change, not just TV. I still use words from my youth, to the cringing of those around me. I don’t mean to upset anyone but it happens. Language changes. There are other things to get upset about. Have anyone seen the new Disney cartoon?

[MrFlorida]

Next your " Living Room " will be renamed, because it offends the dead.....

[JMintzer]

"It is infuriating to see our history being erased."


What history is being "erased" and how is it supposedly being done? Refusing to glorify the ugly parts of our country's history (treason from some states and those who led it) with monuments/statues/plaques/etc., is far from erasing history and is in fact simply shining a bright light on it - so that we can learn and not repeat those abhorrent mistakes.

Book banning and the refusal to discuss real race history, are much more of a threat to this country ever reaching its full potential and promise of equality.

Good thing that's not being done, either...

What you call "book banning" is making sure YOUNG CHILDREN are not exposed to hyper-sexualized books.

The real problem for so many, is that factual history is being revealed/disseminated to more and more people and that is outrageous to them. For instance, how many had been taught, or knew, of the Tulsa Race Massacre - until recent years?

I did. As did most anyone who paid attention in history class...

Be assured, that the outrage of changing the name of the largest bedroom in a house to 'owner's suite/primary bedroom' is not a coincidence that it's coming from whites - who would have been historically considered...'The Master's.'

Your attempt to call those disagree with the constant barrage from the "language police" as outraged (which is ridiculous) and as racists is noted.

[JMintzer]

What a sad statement you make. People who fear change and fight it are the reason women could not get a credit card until the 1970’s without a husband’s permission. Yea,,, you read that right. Change helps us grow. Education helps us understand why we need to evolve. I suggest a dose of both so you too , can become a better, more aware human being.

Yes, it's the exact same thing... Said no one ever who possessed a functioning cerebral cortex...

[JMintzer]

Odd, how the actual migrants feel about this.

My wife is a Migrant. In the traditional sense. She was born and raised in Thailand, coming to America as an adult through the FRONT door: Proper applications made out and submitted, various interviews, etc. etc. She still recalls the day she took the oath of allegiance to America (yes, there is one) that legal migrants swear, as one of the proudest days of her life. Here it is, below:

“I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all
allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty, of whom
or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen;
...that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of
America against all enemies, foreign and domestic;
...that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same;
...that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law;
...that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States
when required by the law;
...that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when
required by the law; and
...that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of
evasion; so help me God.”

Guess how LEGAL migrants to America feel about the illegals--the people who sneak, slither and crawl in while people like my wife work their posteriors off making sure that all the "i"s are dotted and "t"s are crossed, so that they can stand proudly before their new countrymen as new citizens--equals. Probably don't have to think too hard on this one. Almost to a person, the illegals are detested by the LEGALS. They see the illegals as short-circuiting a system that they endured proudly in order to become an American. Additionally they see the illegals (correctly, in my opinion) as giving ALL migrants to the United States, legal or not, a bad name.

Another standard of comparison. My wife grew up dirt-poor in Thailand, rejected by her mother, raised by her grandmother and aunt. Even as a young child she had to wake up at 3 AM every day to help prepare the food for sale that was their small family's only source of income. Following that, she went to school. School kids in Thailand wear uniforms and she had only one, which she'd wash at night and hope it would dry by morning. If not, she wore it damp. Often she could not afford lunch so to avoid embarrassment she'd go study in the library while the other students ate. She had to fight to remain in school beyond the fourth grade, but she persevered. Going into high school meant extra expenses, so at age 13 she took a job tying structural steel at construction sites during the summer. Ever tied structural steel? Ever been in Thailand in the summer? I've done both, and believe me the heat in Thailand in the summer makes the hottest summer day in TV feel like a balmy early spring day. But that was then. Today, my wife can look back on a life and career in America where she earned two University degrees as well as a theology degree. She is not only bilingual but biliterate as well, formerly very active in American politics not only at the grassroots level but as a state-level delegate, active in her community and church, well-liked and greatly respected. Her business (marketing) degree meant an income that in later years anyway exceeded mine, and her business sense means that we together have a VERY comfortable retirement. My wife in many respects is the ideal; the kind of migrant we SHOULD be seeking, instead of acquiescing to the hordes oozing into America; people whose idea of a "career" in all too many cases, means slurping at the public trough.

So yes. My wife (and even more so, myself) both resent the hell out of the so-called "woke" people who make every attempt to hide reality by cute euphemisms and dancing around the truth, congratulating themselves all the while about how wise and far-seeing they are. Hiding from reality, be it by euphemisms or whatever, only exacerbates the problem, and I doubt that very many people really understand just what a huge problem ILLEGAL immigration is in America today.

:bigbow::bigbow::bigbow:

[JGibson]

"It is infuriating to see our history being erased."


What history is being "erased" and how is it supposedly being done? Refusing to glorify the ugly parts of our country's history (treason from some states and those who led it) with monuments/statues/plaques/etc., is far from erasing history and is in fact simply shining a bright light on it - so that we can learn and not repeat those abhorrent mistakes.

Book banning and the refusal to discuss real race history, are much more of a threat to this country ever reaching its full potential and promise of equality.

The real problem for so many, is that factual history is being revealed/disseminated to more and more people and that is outrageous to them. For instance, how many had been taught, or knew, of the Tulsa Race Massacre - until recent years?

Be assured, that the outrage of changing the name of the largest bedroom in a house to 'owner's suite/primary bedroom' is not a coincidence that it's coming from whites - who would have been historically considered...'The Master's.'

American schools are ranked 38th in math in the world but surely we should spend more time in class talking about ugly history that can be Googled at any time someone is interested in it.

[JMintzer]

Real estate across the country have made this type of change, not just TV. I still use words from my youth, to the cringing of those around me. I don’t mean to upset anyone but it happens. Language changes. There are other things to get upset about. Have anyone seen the new Disney cartoon?

No one said it was only happening in TV...

And yes, I've seen parts of the new Disney cartoon... What in the actual ****???

[Djean1981]

Language evolves. Old terms and phrases go away in favor of something else. No one says "twenty three skidoo" or "outa sight" anymore. No big deal.
Language does evolve. But, many of the more recent changes are because some are hyper offended, or pretend to be. I don't believe that "master" bedroom truly offends anyone. The current use just indicates the larger bedroom. The term "master" is also like "Sir" or young man in some countries. The change is more virtue signaling than natural/true language evolution.

[Bay Kid]

People are so easily offended. Different meanings for different people, but not anymore. We must now adjust to the offended.

[Bertram00]

Whining about this is simply another example, of those who weren't smart enough to know that Archie Bunker was meant to be a caricature of an abhorrent human being...not a role model. lol

Except, unlike the people you refer to, Archie did, in his own small ways, evolve.

[ThirdOfFive]

It's not the change (like trousers to pants)...

It's WHY they keep making these ridiculous changes...
I doubt it is anything substantive. Probably more like people trying mightily to impress and outdo one another by showing each other and the world just how virtuous they are.

[Djean1981]

Do not comply. ;)

[JMintzer]

People are so easily offended. Different meanings for different people, but not anymore. We must now adjust to the offended.

But only if "certain" people are offended...

[sallyg]

We shall now refer to you as "Circle-K Man"... :p:p:p
Circle K "person." 😁

[JMintzer]

I doubt it is anything substantive. Probably more like people trying mightily to impress and outdo one another by showing each other and the world just how virtuous they are.

Prezactly! But a slow leak can turn into a flood...

[jimbomaybe]

What a sad statement you make. People who fear change and fight it are the reason women could not get a credit card until the 1970’s without a husband’s permission. Yea,,, you read that right. Change helps us grow. Education helps us understand why we need to evolve. I suggest a dose of both so you too , can become a better, more aware human being.
This "change " accomplishes what? make what difference ? other than to signal one has the required guilt of a historical wrong

[Steve]

Language evolves. Old terms and phrases go away in favor of something else. No one says "twenty three skidoo" or "outa sight" anymore. No big deal.

I do!

[Haggar]

This is not a case of evolving language. This is part of the continued WOKE attack on our language and history. Our country, life, liberty, and freedom of speach are all a big deal.

Webster's dictionary defines "woke" as "being aware of and actively attentive to important societal facts and issues"

OED defines it as "well informed, up to date".

Certain dictionaries have added "to racism and social injustice".

Someone explain why being "woke" is a bad thing. It has been hijacked by politicians to support certain views and perhaps create an issue where there is none!

[ThirdOfFive]

This "change " accomplishes what? make what difference ? other than to signal one has the required guilt of a historical wrong
Agreed.

I would submit however that history is neither right nor wrong. It is merely a chronology of events. To presume to judge the actions of one time with the evolved (one would hope) moral sensibilities of a later time is in my opinion sophistic in the extreme. We can study history. Hopefully we can learn from history. But we can never change, or even more to the point, ERASE history. To do so is a distinct disservice to everyone.

[MandoMan]

I’ve noticed over the last few weeks that TV new home floor plans label the “Master” suite and bath as “Primary”.

A subtle indication of softness which is spreading across our country. Words hurt? It continues for anything that may “offend” someone in our language use.

I can’t stand political correctness. I don’t call American Indians Native Americans because the vast majority want to be called Indians. I don’t use the term Latinx because virtually no Hispanic people use the term. But I can live with Primary bedrooms and bathrooms instead of Master because Master was pretty silly to begin with. I would also be okay with “the biggest bedroom,” or other options.

[Caymus]

Webster's dictionary defines "woke" as "being aware of and actively attentive to important societal facts and issues"

OED defines it as "well informed, up to date".

Certain dictionaries have added "to racism and social injustice".

Someone explain why being "woke" is a bad thing. It has been hijacked by politicians to support certain views and perhaps create an issue where there is none!

Woke is just a rebranding of ultra libs/progressives.

[mickey100]

"It is infuriating to see our history being erased."


What history is being "erased" and how is it supposedly being done? Refusing to glorify the ugly parts of our country's history (treason from some states and those who led it) with monuments/statues/plaques/etc., is far from erasing history and is in fact simply shining a bright light on it - so that we can learn and not repeat those abhorrent mistakes.

Book banning and the refusal to discuss real race history, are much more of a threat to this country ever reaching its full potential and promise of equality.

The real problem for so many, is that factual history is being revealed/disseminated to more and more people and that is outrageous to them. For instance, how many had been taught, or knew, of the Tulsa Race Massacre - until recent years?

Be assured, that the outrage of changing the name of the largest bedroom in a house to 'owner's suite/primary bedroom' is not a coincidence that it's coming from whites - who would have been historically considered...'The Master's.'

:BigApplause: I am really concerned with book banning. One book frequently banned by conservative groups is "Beloved" by Toni Morrison. Scholars say one of the reasons Morrison’s books in particular are controversial is because they address dark moments in American history that can be uncomfortable for some people to talk about. Beloved, for example, is inspired by the true story of an enslaved woman who killed her daughter in 1856 to spare her from slavery. Morrison tried to convey the trauma of the legacy of slavery to her readers. That is a violent legacy. Her books do not sugarcoat or use euphemisms. And people have trouble with that. Banning a book like this does not protect kids in any way, it just sanitizes racism.

[fdpaq0580]

I do!

Oh you kid! That is the cat's meow.

[jimjamuser]

I’ve noticed over the last few weeks that TV new home floor plans label the “Master” suite and bath as “Primary”.

A subtle indication of softness which is spreading across our country. Words hurt? It continues for anything that may “offend” someone in our language use.
I would NOT call it WOKE because that IS just a derogatory putdown. The US is in the beginning stages of accepting the fact that the population demographics of the US are changing. America is SUPPOSED to be a "MELTING POT" and has ALWAYS bragged about that TITLE. So why is it today that we are INCREDIBLY worried about the COMPLETELY UNSTOPPABLE future blending or melting of the races? DNA tests show that many Caucasians have African DNA and Genghis Kahn DNA in them.
........Woke is the past tense of aware. It means someone is awake and not sleeping.
.........Most YOUNGER people buying real estate will have NO problem adapting to the word PRIMARY for a bedroom. Words and language constantly evolve and there IS no stopping it. Just like America has evolved its demographic ethnic percentages. I would be fine with a TOTAL blending in the FUTURE.

[jimjamuser]

Whining about this is simply another example, of those who weren't smart enough to know that Archie Bunker was meant to be a caricature of an abhorrent human being...not a role model. lol
LOL .........and that is also an example of a language change brought about by a technology change........the ubiquitous cell phone that people fall asleep to while in their PRIMARY BEDROOM.

[jimjamuser]

So if you don’t agree with a comment, it’s whining. Have no clue why Archie B equates with this matter…
I COMPLETELY understand the Archie B. reference. It was PERFECTLY applicable.

[ThirdOfFive]

I would NOT call it WOKE because that IS just a derogatory putdown. The US is in the beginning stages of accepting the fact that the population demographics of the US are changing. America is SUPPOSED to be a "MELTING POT" and has ALWAYS bragged about that TITLE. So why is it today that we are INCREDIBLY worried about the COMPLETELY UNSTOPPABLE future blending or melting of the races? DNA tests show that many Caucasians have African DNA and Genghis Kahn DNA in them.
........Woke is the past tense of aware. It means someone is awake and not sleeping.
.........Most YOUNGER people buying real estate will have NO problem adapting to the word PRIMARY for a bedroom. Words and language constantly evolve and there IS no stopping it. Just like America has evolved its demographic ethnic percentages. I would be fine with a TOTAL blending in the FUTURE.

Good points.

I recall back in the 1990s when the term "salad bowl" (as opposed to "melting pot") had a brief run as the descriptor du jour. It didn't last, primarily because I believe it ran so diametrically opposite of what America is, and always has been.

E Pluribus, Unum. America has always been a fractious, squabbling bunch of differences, but when the time comes, we band together. We've always done that. I certainly hope that we can continue to do so in the future.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Not offended at all, just nutty WOKEsters forcing it down our throats on how to use words.
Why not say it the way your Mom and Dad used to say it, MASTER BEDROOM!
You can just get out of your Primary room and go vote in the Primary because it's a Primary concern to do so.

My mom and dad didn't call their bedroom the master bedroom. They called it their bedroom. As in "put this pile of laundry in my bedroom and that pile in your sister's."

Us generic new england suburbians didn't have the luxury of having a "master" bedroom. The term wasn't part of our vernacular. None of us in our neighborhood had walk-in closets and most of us didn't have a bathroom attached to the bigger bedroom in the house.

Even my grandparents, who were somewhat affluent and DID have what you call a "master bedroom" didn't refer to it as such. Their bedroom was their bedroom. Their attached bathroom was their bathroom. Their jacuzzi shower was known only as "the shower" even though there was a shower in the other bathroom as well. That other shower was known as "the other shower."

I think some people obsess way too much over words - and the people making the most noise over the obsession aren't the people you think they are.

[jimjamuser]

When I want to sleep tonight, I'll go to my Master Bedroom and in the morning I'll make some Aunt Jemima Pancakes.
I can NOT comprehend the POINT there?

[jimjamuser]

Yup.....too much "woke" stuff going on. I do understand why the use of the word "master" is frowned upon by the woke generation but I do not agree with any of that stuff. It is infuriating to see our history being erased.
History IS another thing that changes and evolves. If it NEVER changed then JAPAN would still be our enemy. I see a lot of people driving Hondas and Toyotas.

[jimjamuser]

This is not a case of evolving language. This is part of the continued WOKE attack on our language and history. Our country, life, liberty, and freedom of speach are all a big deal.
Life has a way of changing - and on a continual BASIS. Older people have a tendency to resist change.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

I disagree.
Most people read or use a word purely in context of the subject being discussed.
Far to many are looking to be offended by the use of any word despite the context.
Master, Primary, Main, Big, whatever, who gives a toss?
In context they describe the subject.
Far to many thin skins around today!

Apparently all the "anti-woke" people give a toss. It hurts their delicate sensitive feelings.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

The label changes were adopted by the national builders and realtor associations a couple years ago. It's not just a Villages thing.

However, it's taken the Villages a couple of years to catch up with the rest of the country. Unsurprising.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Maybe that festering wound is festering and unhealed because some want to keep picking at it. After awhile it gets bigger and bigger and more infected. Just leave it alone and let it heal. Brainwashing people to believe they are racist when they are not?? There must be a special place in hell for people like that.

In order to make a conscious decision to let a wound heal, you need to be aware that the wound exists. If it itches - don't scratch it. You can't ignore it - because then you might bump against something and it'll open back up again. You have to acknowledge that yes - there is a wound here.

That's what "woke" means. Acknowledging that these things happened, recognizing that they were a symptom of the times they happened in, and that we have evolved since then.

That's all it means, and that's primarily what people who are "woke" are asking everyone to do. People who resist, fight, reject the idea that these things happened, that they were a symptom of the times they happened in, and that we have evolved since then, are stuck in a past they didn't even experience (since it happened before most of us were born).

[LuvNH]

I can NOT comprehend the POINT there?

I think it is kind of obvious - politically incorrect. But do not agree on the Master reference. We always called the "master" the original from which we made copies. But then, I'm old and have been around a long time and have no time for these modern changes to the beautiful English language we use.

Do you think all the other nationalities are going through this rubbish. What does woke sound like in Italian.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Odd, how the actual migrants feel about this.



Then we need to start calling "legal migrants" "legals." Not "migrants." Since it's SO important to call migrants who came here illegally, "illegals" then migrants who came here legally should be called "legals."

Let me know when that trend picks up.

Til then, they're ALL migrants, and immigrants. They have all come to live here- from somewhere else. Regardless of how they got here or their legal status once they get here.

Legal and illegal are conditions; they're adjectives. A person isn't an adjective. They're a noun. Migrant and immigrant are nouns.

Legal and illegal describe a person's status, not the person him/herself. They are not illegal. They aren't illegal immigrants. They're immigrants who have committed a crime by entering unlawfully. You don't call burglars "illegals" do you? Why not? They've committed crimes too. Do you call them "illegal inventory movers?" No? Why not? You're using the same type of terminology to describe people who move themselves from one place to another when they're not allowed to do so.

You're objectifying people, when you call them illegal immigrants or illegals. THEY are not illegal. They're 100% legitimately people who are allowed to be people. Their BEHAVIOR is illegal - but THEY - are not.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Agreed.

I would submit however that history is neither right nor wrong. It is merely a chronology of events. To presume to judge the actions of one time with the evolved (one would hope) moral sensibilities of a later time is in my opinion sophistic in the extreme. We can study history. Hopefully we can learn from history. But we can never change, or even more to the point, ERASE history. To do so is a distinct disservice to everyone.

We can't learn from history if our teachers are not allowed to teach it.

[jimjamuser]

I have read some of Machiavelli's works. I have two BAs. One in Philosophy and the other in History. His writings came up every so often. And I have a Masters in Librarianship and Information Management. Then a law degree where his work also came up in some of the classes.
Shucks, that is truly impressive. The US could use MORE educated people. I mean sincerely!

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

I think it is kind of obvious - politically incorrect. But do not agree on the Master reference. We always called the "master" the original from which we made copies. But then, I'm old and have been around a long time and have no time for these modern changes to the beautiful English language we use.

Do you think all the other nationalities are going through this rubbish. What does woke sound like in Italian.

If you scroll up to the 1st or 2nd page of this thread, you'll learn that the term Master Bedroom was NOT changed as a result of political correctness. Rather, it was changed to better describe the layout of the homes. At one point in architectural history, a Master Bedroom was the room that had the walk-in closet and either "half-bath" or "full bath" within the suite. It was - an actual suite. At another point, in different types of construction, the Master Bedroom referred only to the biggest bedroom in the house, regardless of whether or not it had a bathroom or walk-in closet.

Then came the McMansions, which had multiple large bedroom suites, and were advertised as having "two master suites." Well that just makes no sense, from a semantics point of view. There can be only one master, that's what makes it a master. If there's more than one of them, then neither of them are a master. They're just big bedroom suites. But that doesn't really sound great when you're advertising.

So they decided that "Primary" would be a great word to use, when referring to a large bedroom suite in a house with more than one large bedroom suite. Now both of them can be big bedroom suites, neither of them has to be "the master" but one of them can be featured more prominently. Maybe it has a vaulted ceiling and the other doesn't. Maybe it had a bay window with window seat and the other doesn't. Maybe it has an ocean view and the other doesn't. There's nothing about it that makes it more masterful than the other room. It's still just a big bedroom suite. So it's the primary one.

That's why the switch. It just makes more sense.

[ThirdOfFive]

Then we need to start calling "legal migrants" "legals." Not "migrants." Since it's SO important to call migrants who came here illegally, "illegals" then migrants who came here legally should be called "legals."

Let me know when that trend picks up.

Til then, they're ALL migrants, and immigrants. They have all come to live here- from somewhere else. Regardless of how they got here or their legal status once they get here.

Legal and illegal are conditions; they're adjectives. A person isn't an adjective. They're a noun. Migrant and immigrant are nouns.

Legal and illegal describe a person's status, not the person him/herself. They are not illegal. They aren't illegal immigrants. They're immigrants who have committed a crime by entering unlawfully. You don't call burglars "illegals" do you? Why not? They've committed crimes too. Do you call them "illegal inventory movers?" No? Why not? You're using the same type of terminology to describe people who move themselves from one place to another when they're not allowed to do so.

You're objectifying people, when you call them illegal immigrants or illegals. THEY are not illegal. They're 100% legitimately people who are allowed to be people. Their BEHAVIOR is illegal - but THEY - are not.

A distinction without a difference. It is the CONNOTATION, not the denotation, that matters here. Especially to those Americans, such as my wife, who came here through the front door. They are American citizens who are also legal migrants. But they are Americans first. The illegals in this country who come here from other countries by illegal means are, by definition illegal aliens, but ILLEGAL first, last and always. They are not American citizens. They have nothing in common with the former legal migrants who became American citizens except that they came here from another country. They are living here in contravention of our laws. To use descriptors that intentionally gloss over that fact is to be--well--woke. And as such, to be furthering rather than helping to solve the problem.

It may not matter to those who have little or no direct experience with the topic other than a cursory acquaintance on, say, message boards, but it does to those involved with it directly. Sophistic word games merely cloud the issue.

[Dlbonivich]

I know that if I enter a home in the MLS it is Primary suite. No choice. In the description section it will kick it out automatically. So really no choices on my end.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

A distinction without a difference. It is the CONNOTATION, not the denotation, that matters here. Especially to those Americans, such as my wife, who came here through the front door. They are American citizens who are also legal migrants. But they are Americans first. The illegals in this country who come here from other countries are by definition illegal aliens, but ILLEGAL first, last and always. They are not American citizens. They have nothing in common with the former legal migrants who became American citizens except that they came here from another country. They are living here in contravention of our laws. To use descriptors that intentionally gloss over that fact is to be--well--woke. And as such, to be furthering rather than helping to solve the problem.

It may not matter to those who have little or no direct experience with the topic other than a cursory acquaintance on, say, message boards, but it does to those involved with it directly. Sophistic word games merely clound the issue.

It matters to me, and my family came to this country before proof of intention, proof of citizenship, passports - existed. All they needed was to prove they weren't ill, proof of their name and previous address, and they had an address in the states where they'd be staying.

Currently, under those previous criteria, they would be considered "undocumented immigrants." There are actually hundreds of thousands of undocumented immigrants that came here from Italy, and families of hundreds of thousands of undocumented immigrants that came here from Ireland. Millions that came here from various parts of Europe during and immediately following WWII. And some, like my family, who came before WWII but after WWI.

They weren't called illegal aliens then either. Most of them were called refugees. Some were called immigrants. Criminals were called criminals, whether they were refugees, immigrants, or citizens.

"Illegal" isn't a noun. It just isn't. You don't have to like it, and you live in the Free State of Florida so you can use the word however you see fit. But you'd be incorrect, as is everyone else who uses the word as a noun. Illegal is an adjective.

[Bill14564]

If you scroll up to the 1st or 2nd page of this thread, you'll learn that the term Master Bedroom was NOT changed as a result of political correctness. Rather, it was changed to better describe the layout of the homes. At one point in architectural history, a Master Bedroom was the room that had the walk-in closet and either "half-bath" or "full bath" within the suite. It was - an actual suite. At another point, in different types of construction, the Master Bedroom referred only to the biggest bedroom in the house, regardless of whether or not it had a bathroom or walk-in closet.

Then came the McMansions, which had multiple large bedroom suites, and were advertised as having "two master suites." Well that just makes no sense, from a semantics point of view. There can be only one master, that's what makes it a master. If there's more than one of them, then neither of them are a master. They're just big bedroom suites. But that doesn't really sound great when you're advertising.

So they decided that "Primary" would be a great word to use, when referring to a large bedroom suite in a house with more than one large bedroom suite. Now both of them can be big bedroom suites, neither of them has to be "the master" but one of them can be featured more prominently. Maybe it has a vaulted ceiling and the other doesn't. Maybe it had a bay window with window seat and the other doesn't. Maybe it has an ocean view and the other doesn't. There's nothing about it that makes it more masterful than the other room. It's still just a big bedroom suite. So it's the primary one.

That's why the switch. It just makes more sense.

I didn't find that in the first three pages. Could you provide the number of the post that I missed?

There *was* an article linked on the first page. That article reports that the name was changed to avoid offending anyone. That is what I remember too.

I'm sure the Villages made the change to keep up with industry standards. There is nothing to gain by digging in their heels and insisting on using a word that has become obsolete.

The reason for the change was foolish but neither hurts me nor offends me. Those who argue so vehemently against it frighten me.

[Bill14564]

It matters to me, and my family came to this country before proof of intention, proof of citizenship, passports - existed. All they needed was to prove they weren't ill, proof of their name and previous address, and they had an address in the states where they'd be staying.

Currently, under those previous criteria, they would be considered "undocumented immigrants." There are actually hundreds of thousands of undocumented immigrants that came here from Italy, and families of hundreds of thousands of undocumented immigrants that came here from Ireland. Millions that came here from various parts of Europe during and immediately following WWII. And some, like my family, who came before WWII but after WWI.

They weren't called illegal aliens then either. Most of them were called refugees. Some were called immigrants. Criminals were called criminals, whether they were refugees, immigrants, or citizens.

"Illegal" isn't a noun. It just isn't. You don't have to like it, and you live in the Free State of Florida so you can use the word however you see fit. But you'd be incorrect, as is everyone else who uses the word as a noun. Illegal is an adjective.

Merriam-Webster (https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/illegal) believes otherwise.

[Jayhawk]

"Illegal" isn't a noun. It just isn't. You don't have to like it, and you live in the Free State of Florida so you can use the word however you see fit. But you'd be incorrect, as is everyone else who uses the word as a noun. Illegal is an adjective.

It IS also a noun, and you don't have to like it.

il·le·gal
/i(l)ˈlēɡ(ə)l,əˈlēɡ(ə)l/


noun: DEROGATORY•NORTH AMERICAN

noun: illegal; plural noun: illegals
a person present in a country without official authorization.

[Vermilion Villager]

I’ve noticed over the last few weeks that TV new home floor plans label the “Master” suite and bath as “Primary”.

A subtle indication of softness which is spreading across our country. Words hurt? It continues for anything that may “offend” someone in our language use.
Ha!!! Last time I was the master of my house I was 22 years old and living in an apartment by myself. Master or primary to describe the biggest bedroom in a home....I'm secure in my skin so doesn't mean one bit of difference to me. It appears the only one being "offended".....is you.:mornincoffee:

[Escape Artist]

I’ve noticed over the last few weeks that TV new home floor plans label the “Master” suite and bath as “Primary”.

A subtle indication of softness which is spreading across our country. Words hurt? It continues for anything that may “offend” someone in our language use.

Yes, this was intentional, set into motion by certain factions which will remain nameless for purposes of posting on this forum. A small group of people with very loud voices who felt the word “master” was a trigger word that caused offense or harm to those who had to say or hear it.

Unlike other commenters here who liken it to phrases or words that have organically fallen out of favor, this particular word was specifically targeted for extinction from common usage. The real estate industry obliged. It seems that The Villages is complying with the new orthodoxy and helping to grease the rails on the infamous slippery slope.

[LianneMigiano]

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Tallahassee, FL 32399-0001

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[ThirdOfFive]

It matters to me, and my family came to this country before proof of intention, proof of citizenship, passports - existed. All they needed was to prove they weren't ill, proof of their name and previous address, and they had an address in the states where they'd be staying.

Currently, under those previous criteria, they would be considered "undocumented immigrants." There are actually hundreds of thousands of undocumented immigrants that came here from Italy, and families of hundreds of thousands of undocumented immigrants that came here from Ireland. Millions that came here from various parts of Europe during and immediately following WWII. And some, like my family, who came before WWII but after WWI.

They weren't called illegal aliens then either. Most of them were called refugees. Some were called immigrants. Criminals were called criminals, whether they were refugees, immigrants, or citizens.

"Illegal" isn't a noun. It just isn't. You don't have to like it, and you live in the Free State of Florida so you can use the word however you see fit. But you'd be incorrect, as is everyone else who uses the word as a noun. Illegal is an adjective.
Sign of the times. That was then, this is now. Those people you refer to did not have the documentation needed now for citizenship but it was not needed--as the post indicated, they were here with both American government knowledge and approval. That was enough, then.

Not today. The illegal immigrants flooding have in most cases are not known by our government, and certainly do not have the permission of our government.

[I'm Popeye!]

I'm not sure whether it's more funny or concerning that someone cares so much about what it's called. They mean the same thing. They used to refer to pants as trousers and I don't think that was because of some woke agenda 40 years ago.

This is getting out of hand with people labelling a minor incremental change as "woke".

Could you tell us who is insisting on these changes?

I'll tell you because it seems you have no knowledge of this topic, The nutty WOKEsters!

[Tvflguy]

It's not the change (like trousers to pants)...

It's WHY they keep making these ridiculous changes...

Perfectly hits the nail on the head re the Woke topic. I’m the OP and it’s fascinating to read some of the Woke-supporting commentary here. You are SO right. It’s WHY. Simply to satisfy a small minority which pushes for changes as these. Always seems to be the Fringe pushing… I’m all for change and progression for a reason. I have a Masters Degree too. …oh boy…

BTW I’m a Mr. not a they/them. Yet another irritation. Why????

[coffeebean]

.....or a Masters level degree.

Has anyone mentioned The Masters golf tournament?

[coffeebean]

I'm more amused that so many posters here are offended by the word "Primary."

I'm not offended by the word "primary". I'm offended by the reason to change the word "master" to "primary". The word alone is not offensive.

[coffeebean]

Adapt changes. Things change most are afraid of changes. I am all about changes.

I'm old so I'm highly unadaptable.

[coffeebean]

Not me, I can’t wait to primary a new skill!

Oh my goodness. That is funny!!!!!

[coffeebean]

I'm not sure whether it's more funny or concerning that someone cares so much about what it's called. They mean the same thing. They used to refer to pants as trousers and I don't think that was because of some woke agenda 40 years ago.

This is getting out of hand with people labelling a minor incremental change as "woke".

I don't know who coined the phrase "woke" in this sense that we are discussing here but the meaning of it does not mean to arise in the morning and greet the new day. Just sayin'.

[Marathon Man]

I didn't find that in the first three pages. Could you provide the number of the post that I missed?

There *was* an article linked on the first page. That article reports that the name was changed to avoid offending anyone. That is what I remember too.

I'm sure the Villages made the change to keep up with industry standards. There is nothing to gain by digging in their heels and insisting on using a word that has become obsolete.

The reason for the change was foolish but neither hurts me nor offends me. Those who argue so vehemently against it frighten me.

Well said. The next generation is changing certain words. So did my generation. We don't say things that were said in the 50's. The reasons for change were exactly the same.

The world belongs to the next group as we enjoy the fruits of our labor. They will not ruin the world (as our grandparents thought we would).

[Bill14564]

I'm not offended by the word "primary". I'm offended by the reason to change the word "master" to "primary". The word alone is not offensive.

The word is just six letters from the alphabet organized in a particular way. There is another six-letter word that would likely get me banned if I used in in this post. It too is just six letters from the alphabet but it has a usage and a meaning that is offensive.

If we put aside our anti-woke chest thumping for just a moment and think about it we might just see where a particular usage of the word master could be objectionable. At the very least, the term master bedroom is uncomfortable to some potential purchasers. Why would a company desiring to sell homes choose to hold onto a term that would drive some of their customers away?

[coffeebean]

They also removed all the covered wagons as to not upset anyone. They were such a neat thing to see representing settlers coming here. Must have offended the woke. WOKE: Political correctness killing history and the future.

Really? The covered wagons are all gone?

[coffeebean]

It's not the change (like trousers to pants)...

It's WHY they keep making these ridiculous changes...
Why can't these woke folks get this??????

[coffeebean]

Real estate across the country have made this type of change, not just TV. I still use words from my youth, to the cringing of those around me. I don’t mean to upset anyone but it happens. Language changes. There are other things to get upset about. Have anyone seen the new Disney cartoon?

I don't think you get it. It is the REASON for these changes that urk me. This "woke" generation is abysmal.

[Taltarzac725]

I don't know who coined the phrase "woke" in this sense that we are discussing here but the meaning of it does not mean to arise in the morning and greet the new day. Just sayin'.

It would be a better use of it. Now it just looks like a bumper sticker approach to life and history.

[coffeebean]

American schools are ranked 38th in math in the world but surely we should spend more time in class talking about ugly history that can be Googled at any time someone is interested in it.

Our history should be front and center, ugly or not. It is OUR HISTORY. Our history should not be delegated to a Google search "if interested". Sheesh!

[coffeebean]

Language does evolve. But, many of the more recent changes are because some are hyper offended, or pretend to be. I don't believe that "master" bedroom truly offends anyone. The current use just indicates the larger bedroom. The term "master" is also like "Sir" or young man in some countries. The change is more virtue signaling than natural/true language evolution.

You are missing the entire point of the "woke" movement.

[ThirdOfFive]

You are missing the entire point of the "woke" movement.
What IS the point of the "woke" movement?

[Taltarzac725]

What IS the point of the "woke" movement?

How Woke Went From "Black" to "Bad" (https://www.naacpldf.org/woke-black-bad/)

This explains it.

[coffeebean]

If you scroll up to the 1st or 2nd page of this thread, you'll learn that the term Master Bedroom was NOT changed as a result of political correctness. Rather, it was changed to better describe the layout of the homes. At one point in architectural history, a Master Bedroom was the room that had the walk-in closet and either "half-bath" or "full bath" within the suite. It was - an actual suite. At another point, in different types of construction, the Master Bedroom referred only to the biggest bedroom in the house, regardless of whether or not it had a bathroom or walk-in closet.

Then came the McMansions, which had multiple large bedroom suites, and were advertised as having "two master suites." Well that just makes no sense, from a semantics point of view. There can be only one master, that's what makes it a master. If there's more than one of them, then neither of them are a master. They're just big bedroom suites. But that doesn't really sound great when you're advertising.

So they decided that "Primary" would be a great word to use, when referring to a large bedroom suite in a house with more than one large bedroom suite. Now both of them can be big bedroom suites, neither of them has to be "the master" but one of them can be featured more prominently. Maybe it has a vaulted ceiling and the other doesn't. Maybe it had a bay window with window seat and the other doesn't. Maybe it has an ocean view and the other doesn't. There's nothing about it that makes it more masterful than the other room. It's still just a big bedroom suite. So it's the primary one.

That's why the switch. It just makes more sense.

I don't believe that for a hot minute but you can if you prefer.

[coffeebean]

What IS the point of the "woke" movement?

Do I REALLY need to explain it to you? Go do a Google search!

[Timeweaver1]

creating drama where there is none.

[jimjamuser]

Odd, how the actual migrants feel about this.

My wife is a Migrant. In the traditional sense. She was born and raised in Thailand, coming to America as an adult through the FRONT door: Proper applications made out and submitted, various interviews, etc. etc. She still recalls the day she took the oath of allegiance to America (yes, there is one) that legal migrants swear, as one of the proudest days of her life. Here it is, below:

“I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all
allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty, of whom
or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen;
...that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of
America against all enemies, foreign and domestic;
...that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same;
...that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law;
...that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States
when required by the law;
...that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when
required by the law; and
...that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of
evasion; so help me God.”

Guess how LEGAL migrants to America feel about the illegals--the people who sneak, slither and crawl in while people like my wife work their posteriors off making sure that all the "i"s are dotted and "t"s are crossed, so that they can stand proudly before their new countrymen as new citizens--equals. Probably don't have to think too hard on this one. Almost to a person, the illegals are detested by the LEGALS. They see the illegals as short-circuiting a system that they endured proudly in order to become an American. Additionally they see the illegals (correctly, in my opinion) as giving ALL migrants to the United States, legal or not, a bad name.

Another standard of comparison. My wife grew up dirt-poor in Thailand, rejected by her mother, raised by her grandmother and aunt. Even as a young child she had to wake up at 3 AM every day to help prepare the food for sale that was their small family's only source of income. Following that, she went to school. School kids in Thailand wear uniforms and she had only one, which she'd wash at night and hope it would dry by morning. If not, she wore it damp. Often she could not afford lunch so to avoid embarrassment she'd go study in the library while the other students ate. She had to fight to remain in school beyond the fourth grade, but she persevered. Going into high school meant extra expenses, so at age 13 she took a job tying structural steel at construction sites during the summer. Ever tied structural steel? Ever been in Thailand in the summer? I've done both, and believe me the heat in Thailand in the summer makes the hottest summer day in TV feel like a balmy early spring day. But that was then. Today, my wife can look back on a life and career in America where she earned two University degrees as well as a theology degree. She is not only bilingual but biliterate as well, formerly very active in American politics not only at the grassroots level but as a state-level delegate, active in her community and church, well-liked and greatly respected. Her business (marketing) degree meant an income that in later years anyway exceeded mine, and her business sense means that we together have a VERY comfortable retirement. My wife in many respects is the ideal; the kind of migrant we SHOULD be seeking, instead of acquiescing to the hordes oozing into America; people whose idea of a "career" in all too many cases, means slurping at the public trough.

So yes. My wife (and even more so, myself) both resent the hell out of the so-called "woke" people who make every attempt to hide reality by cute euphemisms and dancing around the truth, congratulating themselves all the while about how wise and far-seeing they are. Hiding from reality, be it by euphemisms or whatever, only exacerbates the problem, and I doubt that very many people really understand just what a huge problem ILLEGAL immigration is in America today.
Good post. Actually, I am against illegal immigration. And I am FOR better education at ALL levels in the US.

[jimjamuser]

American schools are ranked 38th in math in the world but surely we should spend more time in class talking about ugly history that can be Googled at any time someone is interested in it.
The major reason for being 36th in math worldwide is a failure to spend enough money on teachers, staff, librarians, books, audio-visual equipment, and educational software. The generations with the money do NOT want to be TAXED enough to get the US into the top ten. I wonder why the Scandinavian Countries do NOT have that problem? US CEOs seem to make enough money.

[jimjamuser]

This "change " accomplishes what? make what difference ? other than to signal one has the required guilt of a historical wrong
Learning about the Tulsa Massacre made me stop and think that jealousy about someone else getting ahead is NEVER a good idea. And I think that if something like that NEVER took place that the US probably would be a STRONGER Country and today we would ALL have a better standard of living. Hatrids and Greed have a way of backfiring both then and today.

[jimjamuser]

Woke is just a rebranding of ultra libs/progressives.
Pejorative.

[jimjamuser]

I think it is kind of obvious - politically incorrect. But do not agree on the Master reference. We always called the "master" the original from which we made copies. But then, I'm old and have been around a long time and have no time for these modern changes to the beautiful English language we use.

Do you think all the other nationalities are going through this rubbish. What does woke sound like in Italian.
Actually, it is possible that the recent concept of "WOKE" may have (?) originated in a Russian troll farm for the sheer purpose of PULLING US citizens APART. It IS what they DO !!!!!!

[jimjamuser]

We can't learn from history if our teachers are not allowed to teach it.
TRUE. "White-washing" History seems DISHONEST, sneaky, and self-serving. Those that ignore History are forced to repeat its MISTAKES.

[ThirdOfFive]

Do I REALLY need to explain it to you? Go do a Google search!
I have. Numerous times. And have gotten numerous interpretations of that "point", often as not depending on some pretty subjective reasoning.

Which is why I responded with the question. People's interpretation of the "point" of woke seems to vary wildly. I am curious to know what yours is, as you commented that people are missing it.

[tvbound]

Except, unlike the people you refer to, Archie did, in his own small ways, evolve.


"Except, unlike the people you refer to, Archie did, in his own small ways, evolve."


Excellent point.

What amazes me aren't just those who refuse to even try to evolve, but those who would prefer to pretend that systemic racism/inequality/prejudice doesn't really exist and want to quash all discussion proving/showing otherwise. Pretending that we've somehow moved past, what is obviously still so pervasive and isn't an "old scab," are either sadly/scarily naïve - or purposely malignant.

[jimjamuser]

It matters to me, and my family came to this country before proof of intention, proof of citizenship, passports - existed. All they needed was to prove they weren't ill, proof of their name and previous address, and they had an address in the states where they'd be staying.

Currently, under those previous criteria, they would be considered "undocumented immigrants." There are actually hundreds of thousands of undocumented immigrants that came here from Italy, and families of hundreds of thousands of undocumented immigrants that came here from Ireland. Millions that came here from various parts of Europe during and immediately following WWII. And some, like my family, who came before WWII but after WWI.

They weren't called illegal aliens then either. Most of them were called refugees. Some were called immigrants. Criminals were called criminals, whether they were refugees, immigrants, or citizens.

"Illegal" isn't a noun. It just isn't. You don't have to like it, and you live in the Free State of Florida so you can use the word however you see fit. But you'd be incorrect, as is everyone else who uses the word as a noun. Illegal is an adjective.
One thing about refugees, immigrants, and illegal immigrants, to me IMO is the distinction as to what era of History that we are talking about. Certainly, after the Civil War, the US WANTED to have the WEST settled to pacify the Native Americans and keep it from being taken over by Spain. Then later in History, the US had plenty of SPACE and needed immigrants (both legal and illegal) to work in the Industrial Revolution. And then there was still plenty of space in the US during the POST industrial revolution period.
.......It IS MY contention that today and even AFTER the US had a population of about 260 million people, that we should have evaluated the QUESTION .......Given our resources, what is the OPTIMUM population for today's modern world? I, personally, would NOT like to live in crowded counties like China, Japan, and South Korea. Are they TRULY happy or have they shot past their OPTIMUM population?
........Animals like wolves and etc. control their population to SUIT their environmental resources by reducing their litters. Humans do the opposite. They give a greater tax credit for more than 2 children. Seems confusing to me, illogical, and without a bit of planning.
.........I think that the voiced dislike for ILLEGAL aliens IS REALLY a subconscious attempt to admit that humans maybe should also control their litters / population with respect to available resources.
..........And what happens if the US population is thrown out of whack by A.I. and Robotics? What happens if the US gets 40% unemployment in 30 years?

[Barborv]

I don't feel like people are whining, but for those who sit back and go along with all this nonsense is the problem. So, let's just change the English language. Because most words can offend someone somewhere. So now your Master's degree need to be changed, and every athletic team name is offensive? I really doubt the American Indians are offended by the team's name Red Skins. It's these liberals that sit around all day thinking up the next thing to change. Teach history the way history went. Our young need to be taught the facts. And it should not offend anyone. For those who know the truth will not let history repeat itself.

[tvbound]

I don't feel like people are whining, but for those who sit back and go along with all this nonsense is the problem. So, let's just change the English language. Because most words can offend someone somewhere. So now your Master's degree need to be changed, and every athletic team name is offensive? I really doubt the American Indians are offended by the team's name Red Skins. It's these liberals that sit around all day thinking up the next thing to change. Teach history the way history went. Our young need to be taught the facts. And it should not offend anyone. For those who know the truth will not let history repeat itself.


"I really doubt the American Indians are offended by the team's name Red Skins."


A New Study Contradicts a Washington Post Poll About How Native Americans View the Redskins’ Name - Washingtonian (/2020/02/21/a-new-study-contradicts-a-washington-post-poll-about-how-native-americans-view-the-redskins-name/)


"In a scientific survey of more than 1,000 Native Americans, roughly half of the participants said they were offended by the Redskins’ name. Moreover, 65 percent said they were offended by sports fans performing a “tomahawk chop,” and 73 percent said they were offended by fans imitating Native American dances."

[JMintzer]

Apparently all the "anti-woke" people give a toss. It hurts their delicate sensitive feelings.

The language was changed because it hurt the "woke" people's delicate and sensitive feelings...

[JMintzer]

In order to make a conscious decision to let a wound heal, you need to be aware that the wound exists. If it itches - don't scratch it. You can't ignore it - because then you might bump against something and it'll open back up again. You have to acknowledge that yes - there is a wound here.

That's what "woke" means. Acknowledging that these things happened, recognizing that they were a symptom of the times they happened in, and that we have evolved since then.

That's all it means, and that's primarily what people who are "woke" are asking everyone to do. People who resist, fight, reject the idea that these things happened, that they were a symptom of the times they happened in, and that we have evolved since then, are stuck in a past they didn't even experience (since it happened before most of us were born).

What a load...

[JMintzer]

Then we need to start calling "legal migrants" "legals." Not "migrants." Since it's SO important to call migrants who came here illegally, "illegals" then migrants who came here legally should be called "legals."

Let me know when that trend picks up.

Til then, they're ALL migrants, and immigrants. They have all come to live here- from somewhere else. Regardless of how they got here or their legal status once they get here.

Legal and illegal are conditions; they're adjectives. A person isn't an adjective. They're a noun. Migrant and immigrant are nouns.

Legal and illegal describe a person's status, not the person him/herself. They are not illegal. They aren't illegal immigrants. They're immigrants who have committed a crime by entering unlawfully. You don't call burglars "illegals" do you? Why not? They've committed crimes too. Do you call them "illegal inventory movers?" No? Why not? You're using the same type of terminology to describe people who move themselves from one place to another when they're not allowed to do so.

You're objectifying people, when you call them illegal immigrants or illegals. THEY are not illegal. They're 100% legitimately people who are allowed to be people. Their BEHAVIOR is illegal - but THEY - are not.

Just as you can call someone who committed a burglary a "burglar", or someone who committed murder a "murderer", you can call someone who immigrated illegally an "illegal immigrant"...

But I'll give you credit for attempting to completely confuse the issue...

[JMintzer]

We can't learn from history if our teachers are not allowed to teach it.

NO ONE is saying that teachers cannot teach history...

[JMintzer]

If you scroll up to the 1st or 2nd page of this thread, you'll learn that the term Master Bedroom was NOT changed as a result of political correctness. Rather, it was changed to better describe the layout of the homes. At one point in architectural history, a Master Bedroom was the room that had the walk-in closet and either "half-bath" or "full bath" within the suite. It was - an actual suite. At another point, in different types of construction, the Master Bedroom referred only to the biggest bedroom in the house, regardless of whether or not it had a bathroom or walk-in closet.

Then came the McMansions, which had multiple large bedroom suites, and were advertised as having "two master suites." Well that just makes no sense, from a semantics point of view. There can be only one master, that's what makes it a master. If there's more than one of them, then neither of them are a master. They're just big bedroom suites. But that doesn't really sound great when you're advertising.

So they decided that "Primary" would be a great word to use, when referring to a large bedroom suite in a house with more than one large bedroom suite. Now both of them can be big bedroom suites, neither of them has to be "the master" but one of them can be featured more prominently. Maybe it has a vaulted ceiling and the other doesn't. Maybe it had a bay window with window seat and the other doesn't. Maybe it has an ocean view and the other doesn't. There's nothing about it that makes it more masterful than the other room. It's still just a big bedroom suite. So it's the primary one.

That's why the switch. It just makes more sense.

"Rationalization"... It's not just for breakfast any more...

[JMintzer]

It matters to me, and my family came to this country before proof of intention, proof of citizenship, passports - existed. All they needed was to prove they weren't ill, proof of their name and previous address, and they had an address in the states where they'd be staying.

And that was the law at the time...

Currently, under those previous criteria, they would be considered "undocumented immigrants." There are actually hundreds of thousands of undocumented immigrants that came here from Italy, and families of hundreds of thousands of undocumented immigrants that came here from Ireland. Millions that came here from various parts of Europe during and immediately following WWII. And some, like my family, who came before WWII but after WWI.

They weren't called illegal aliens then either. Most of them were called refugees. Some were called immigrants. Criminals were called criminals, whether they were refugees, immigrants, or citizens.

They had papers. They had to pass a physical to enter. They had to have a relative, or a sponsor...

And MANY were turned away...

"Illegal" isn't a noun. It just isn't. You don't have to like it, and you live in the Free State of Florida so you can use the word however you see fit. But you'd be incorrect, as is everyone else who uses the word as a noun. Illegal is an adjective.

Repeating incorrect information doesn't make it correct. Parsing out part of the description doesn't change the meaning.

By your logic, there are no "illegal firearms", or "illegal drugs"...

[JMintzer]

I didn't find that in the first three pages. Could you provide the number of the post that I missed?

There *was* an article linked on the first page. That article reports that the name was changed to avoid offending anyone. That is what I remember too.

I'm sure the Villages made the change to keep up with industry standards. There is nothing to gain by digging in their heels and insisting on using a word that has become obsolete.

The reason for the change was foolish but neither hurts me nor offends me. Those who argue so vehemently against it frighten me.

I just think it's a stupid change... A solution in search of a problem...

[JMintzer]

Merriam-Webster (https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/illegal) believes otherwise.

https://media.tenor.com/kDbxwFsuiLMAAAAM/oh-snap-parks-and-rec.gif

[JMintzer]

Perfectly hits the nail on the head re the Woke topic. I’m the OP and it’s fascinating to read some of the Woke-supporting commentary here. You are SO right. It’s WHY. Simply to satisfy a small minority which pushes for changes as these. Always seems to be the Fringe pushing… I’m all for change and progression for a reason. I have a Masters Degree too. …oh boy…

BTW I’m a Mr. not a they/them. Yet another irritation. Why????

The tech community is also "struggling" with the language police...

"Master" and "Slave" computers?

Tech Confronts Its Use of the Labels ‘Master’ and ‘Slave’ | WIRED (https://www.wired.com/story/tech-confronts-use-labels-master-slave/)

[JMintzer]

Has anyone mentioned The Masters golf tournament?

It's held in GEORGIA!!!

Let the hand wringing begin!

[jimjamuser]

Well said. The next generation is changing certain words. So did my generation. We don't say things that were said in the 50's. The reasons for change were exactly the same.

The world belongs to the next group as we enjoy the fruits of our labor. They will not ruin the world (as our grandparents thought we would).
There are things about today's modern world that are superior to our grandparents' day. Like getting an item delivered from Amazon in one or two days. Also, better movies and MORE of them, costing less per movie. And a lot of other things.
.......BUT, there were superior things about our grandparents' day also. Fewer murders for one. Healthier meals on average with more home cooking. The average middle-class home could get by and live well on just one person's wages. Global Warming did NOT exist. Animal species were NOT going extinct at today's rate. And there were NO dark websites. There was a VERY LARGE middle class and NO worldwide Pandemics. College was affordable. CEOs made ONLY about 15 times their average line employee. And, of course, my personal favorite, there was a PROGRESSIVE tax system where the uber-rich did not dominate the system.
.......So, some things were better and some things were worse.

[rogerrice60]

Language evolves. Old terms and phrases go away in favor of something else. No one says "twenty three skidoo" or "outa sight" anymore. No big deal.


Please pull your head out of the ground.
Our country is in trouble, partly due to "WOKENESS"

[JMintzer]

The word is just six letters from the alphabet organized in a particular way. There is another six-letter word that would likely get me banned if I used in in this post. It too is just six letters from the alphabet but it has a usage and a meaning that is offensive.

If we put aside our anti-woke chest thumping for just a moment and think about it we might just see where a particular usage of the word master could be objectionable. At the very least, the term master bedroom is uncomfortable to some potential purchasers. Why would a company desiring to sell homes choose to hold onto a term that would drive some of their customers away?

Yes, I'm sure people won't buy a house because they use the term "Master Bedroom"...

[jimbomaybe]

Learning about the Tulsa Massacre made me stop and think that jealousy about someone else getting ahead is NEVER a good idea. And I think that if something like that NEVER took place that the US probably would be a STRONGER Country and today we would ALL have a better standard of living. Hatrids and Greed have a way of backfiring both then and today.
I can not see what relation your response is to my post,,This manipulating of semantics accomplishes what ?

[JMintzer]

How Woke Went From "Black" to "Bad" (https://www.naacpldf.org/woke-black-bad/)

This explains it.

Aaaand there it is...

Anti-Woke is now RACIST! What a crock...

[JMintzer]

The major reason for being 36th in math worldwide is a failure to spend enough money on teachers, staff, librarians, books, audio-visual equipment, and educational software. The generations with the money do NOT want to be TAXED enough to get the US into the top ten. I wonder why the Scandinavian Countries do NOT have that problem? US CEOs seem to make enough money.

Yup. Just throw more money at it... Even though we spend 3-4 times the amount per student in the failing schools than the successful schools...

Only the educational mecca of Luxembourg spends more money per student than the US...

OECD: expenditure per student on education 2019 | Statista (https://www.statista.com/statistics/238733/expenditure-on-education-by-country/)

[JMintzer]

TRUE. "White-washing" History seems DISHONEST, sneaky, and self-serving. Those that ignore History are forced to repeat its MISTAKES.

Good thing no one is doing that...

[jimjamuser]

Really? The covered wagons are all gone?
Covered wagons today are called convertibles. Same idea.

[jimjamuser]

I don't think you get it. It is the REASON for these changes that urk me. This "woke" generation is abysmal.
We live in the free state of anti-wokeism. Where teachers are the enemy and books are to be BURNED. AKA Farenheight 451

[Taltarzac725]

Aaaand there it is...

Anti-Woke is now RACIST! What a crock...

Kind of a simplistic response to a legitimate concern which some people are using for their own promotions. Turning it into bumper sticker like approachs to long years of experiences of many people.

[jimjamuser]

Our history should be front and center, ugly or not. It is OUR HISTORY. Our history should not be delegated to a Google search "if interested". Sheesh!
That's what the Teachers Union wants. Teach it, warts and all.

[jimjamuser]

That's what the Teachers Union wants. Teach it, warts and all.

[jimbomaybe]

Good thing no one is doing that...

its called the 1619 project