Low Class T shirts

[RICH1]

and the next thing it will be “wife beater” tank tops …please support the collared shirt and the Rules…When they go low, we go high

[hampton]

and the next thing it will be “wife beater” tank tops …please support the collared shirt and the Rules…When they go low, we go high

I support wearing of collared shirts and obeying the course rules.

[Bilyclub]

Not everybody reads the online rag. As far as that guy crying because he has to wear a collared shirt on the executive courses... Just another loser that moved here from up North. He should have done his homework before moving here. Time will tell if he could get a lawyer willing to take on TV. I'm pretty sure case law is not on his side. I have a few sleeveless shirts I wear at the pickleball courts when it gets real hot, but have not seen any restrictions other than you have to wear a shirt at the courts.

[Gpsma]

Golf complaints are even better than dog poop posts

[Keefelane66]

Since Denim attire is allowed does that include jeans?

[fdpaq0580]

Not everybody reads the online rag. As far as that guy crying because he has to wear a collared shirt on the executive courses... Just another loser that moved here from up North. He should have done his homework before moving here. Time will tell if he could get a lawyer willing to take on TV. I'm pretty sure case law is not on his side. I have a few sleeveless shirts I wear at the pickleball courts when it gets real hot, but have not seen any restrictions other than you have to wear a shirt at the courts.

No shorts or shoes? Ew!

[JohnN]

in the new Woke world, men and women and binary ones may choose to wear collared shirts, t-shirts, or no shirts.

[Velvet]

in the new Woke world, men and women and binary ones may choose to wear collared shirts, t-shirts, or no shirts.

In their house… lol… of it’s ok with the wife… not to talk about the grand kids…ewwww, grandpa!

Personally, what is wrong with wearing sport appropriate clothing? Tennis attire to play tennis, bathing suit to go swimming etc

[Papa_lecki]

The newspaper’s business model is to write controversially stuff, so others will write letters to the editor to drive traffic.

I personally think golf shirts should be tucked in.

[Two Bills]

If the 'Family' thinks it will sell more houses, it will be!
It was only because one of them wanted to wear denim, that the no denim rule was changed.
I don't know where it all will end.
Even my local UK course is talking about letting ladies play! ;)

[ThirdOfFive]

I support wearing of collared shirts and obeying the course rules.
Bingo!

My thought is that this guy must live a pretty good life, if this is all he can find to b!tch about.

[Bill14564]

Bingo!

My thought is that this guy must live a pretty good life, if this is all he can find to b!tch about.

He explained it as a health issue. I don't necessarily buy that argument but it was an argument.

What is the rationale behind the dress code? Safety? Competitive advantage? Or just to provide a reason to look down on someone and bitch about their attire?

[Velvet]

The dress code represents a certain respect for the sport. They do it even in college, or high school. Sometimes grade school. People who feel “looked down upon” because they don’t want to dress for the sport, in my opinion, are just looking for a reason to play the victim.

[Michael G.]

I have a denim tue tue with a color matching jock strap, would that be appropriate for you ladies?

[tophcfa]

Below picture of dress code taken at Palmer clubhouse. This is posted at all Championship clubhouses (except Hacienda Hills) and most executive starter shacks. Note, t shirts are not acceptable, but shirts without collars are acceptable as long as they are button down.

[Bogie Shooter]

He explained it as a health issue. I don't necessarily buy that argument but it was an argument.

What is the rationale behind the dress code? Safety? Competitive advantage? Or just to provide a reason to look down on someone and bitch about their attire?

It’s like a business saying “no shirt no service”. Live with it!

[Velvet]

Couldn’t find it in denim;

[Tvflguy]

A couple years back we played exec golf with another couple. At the Starter, we checked in and she looked at the other guy and said “you’re not appropriately dressed!”

He’s a quiet type of guy and I said What, why???

She said his shirt had no collar. I replied it’s a Henley. She was adamant. I’ll let him play this time but be warned!

I asked her to come out to look at the men’s guidelines pictures on the notice right at the shack window. She sad no. But I was bound to educate her. She finally came out, saw the picture and went back in saying nothing.

She never announced for us to go to the line, we did on our own. Hopefully she learned…

[fdpaq0580]

Couldn’t find it in denim;

Damn! So that's who's been stealing all my good outfits,

[Bill14564]

The dress code represents a certain respect for the sport. They do it even in college, or high school. Sometimes grade school. People who feel “looked down upon” because they don’t want to dress for the sport, in my opinion, are just looking for a reason to play the victim.

He didn't say he felt looked down upon, those were my words to describe some of the responses - like this one.

[Michael G.]

Sorry, I'm a duffer, not a golfer.
I play military golf, to the right, then to the left.

I still feel like a fang swinging away, sweating my @ss off in a pretty pretty collared shirt. barf

[Bill14564]

It’s like a business saying “no shirt no service”. Live with it!

No argument that those are the rules, my question was the rationale for the rules. My insinuation was that the rules had much less to do with the game than with the feelings of those who would be offended that someone dare to suggest a change to the rules.

[collie1228]

They allow button front tee shirts (Henley?) but not regular tee shirts. Don't see much difference.

[raynan]

I support collared shirts.

[GpaVader]

How does Tiger get away with it on Tour???

I think the other thing they are concerned about is the slippery slope of OK we let T-Shirts on then you get graphic t-shirts and someone will be offended. Other some Hawaiian Shirts can be offensive or John Daily attire....

[JMintzer]

How does Tiger get away with it on Tour???

I think the other thing they are concerned about is the slippery slope of OK we let T-Shirts on then you get graphic t-shirts and someone will be offended. Other some Hawaiian Shirts can be offensive or John Daily attire....

Get away with what?

This is NOT a t-shirt...

https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/fPFbmv2AN3DQGej.80wyTQ--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjt3PTEyMDA7aD05MDA-/https://img.huffingtonpost.com/asset/5cb49295230000b603ea1ed4.jpeg

[ThirdOfFive]

He explained it as a health issue. I don't necessarily buy that argument but it was an argument.

What is the rationale behind the dress code? Safety? Competitive advantage? Or just to provide a reason to look down on someone and bitch about their attire?

Well, the flat-earthers have an "argument" too. The dress code is what it is. But it is pretty apparent what it isn't. I have yet to see a cogent argument that supports the "health threat" hypothesis.

My gut reaction to this? Some guy who resents authority in any form and this is way of "getting even" with the rule enforcers. Something you might see in junior high. But in a rational adult? Well...

[Bill14564]

Get away with what?

This is NOT a t-shirt...



Because it has a Nike swoosh, a bit more material around the neck, a price tag over $50, or a champion golfer inside?

But to the point of this thread, this looks like it could satisfy the needs of the individual who made the request.

[Velvet]

damn! So that's who's been stealing all my good outfits,

lol

[Gpsma]

So on a cold morning someone needs to wear a sweatshirt to stay warm…is that against the rules?

[Keefelane66]

Dress for success but it won't help your golf game.

[GpaVader]

Get away with what?

This is NOT a t-shirt...

https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/fPFbmv2AN3DQGej.80wyTQ--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjt3PTEyMDA7aD05MDA-/https://img.huffingtonpost.com/asset/5cb49295230000b603ea1ed4.jpeg

I suppose it might qualify as a mock turtle neck. But it's still a t-shirt, to me....

[Rainger99]

Get away with what?

This is NOT a t-shirt...

https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/fPFbmv2AN3DQGej.80wyTQ--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjt3PTEyMDA7aD05MDA-/https://img.huffingtonpost.com/asset/5cb49295230000b603ea1ed4.jpeg

It looks like a collarless polo shirt.

[Papa_lecki]

Get away with what?

This is NOT a t-shirt...

https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/fPFbmv2AN3DQGej.80wyTQ--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjt3PTEyMDA7aD05MDA-/https://img.huffingtonpost.com/asset/5cb49295230000b603ea1ed4.jpeg

I also think if Tiger started wearing cut off jeans and a Henley shirt and Crocs on tour, it would become acceptable golf attire - whatever Tiger wears is acceptable. He’s Tiger.

[Greenjade]

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[Michael G.]

Dress for success but it won't help your golf game.

I'm prove of that. :pepper2:

[JMintzer]

Because it has a Nike swoosh, a bit more material around the neck, a price tag over $50, or a champion golfer inside?

But to the point of this thread, this looks like it could satisfy the needs of the individual who made the request.

Because it has been known as a "mock turtleneck" forever...

Here's a bunch of them, readily availabel from $11-$20...

short sleeve mock turtleneck - Google Search (https://www.google.com/search?q=short+sleeve+mock+turtleneck&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwjvj825xZ39AhVeCFkFHWB_BdAQ2-cCegQIABAA&oq=short+sleeve+mock+turtleneck&gs_lcp=CgNpbWcQAzIFCAAQgAQyBggAEAcQHjIGCAAQCBAeMgY IABAIEB4yBwgAEIAEEBgyBwgAEIAEEBgyBwgAEIAEEBg6BAgjE CdQ9wtY9wtgrhFoAHAAeACAAW2IAaMBkgEDMS4xmAEAoAEBqgE LZ3dzLXdpei1pbWfAAQE&sclient=img&ei=S_fvY6--PN6Q5NoP4P6VgA0&bih=757&biw=1167&rlz=1C5CHFA_enUS873US874)

[ThirdOfFive]

I also think if Tiger started wearing cut off jeans and a Henley shirt and Crocs on tour, it would become acceptable golf attire - whatever Tiger wears is acceptable. He’s Tiger.
And THAT, folks, just about sums it up.

[JMintzer]

I suppose it might qualify as a mock turtle neck. But it's still a t-shirt, to me....

It IS a mock turtleneck. And apparently, to the PGA (and golf courses everywhere), your opinion doesn't count... :p

[JMintzer]

And THAT, folks, just about sums it up.

Not really. I wore them (the long sleeve version) on cold days years before Tiger did it, with zero issues (on a TPC course)...

They even sold them in their pro shop...

[Pairadocs]

Not everybody reads the online rag. As far as that guy crying because he has to wear a collared shirt on the executive courses... Just another loser that moved here from up North. He should have done his homework before moving here. Time will tell if he could get a lawyer willing to take on TV. I'm pretty sure case law is not on his side. I have a few sleeveless shirts I wear at the pickleball courts when it gets real hot, but have not seen any restrictions other than you have to wear a shirt at the courts.


Agree that abandonment of all standards everywhere is erosion of a culture (ours) and not adding quality to our nation. Remember when "nice" restaurants REQUIRED conservative dress ? Remember back in the 70's (wow, a long time ago) when passengers were not only expected, but required to dress in a "semi" formal manner on cruises ? Remember when there were minimum standards for BOTH students and teachers in public schools ? Suppose I would be looked at as "grumpy", non progressive, old person, but I LIKED having minimum standards everywhere... even those places I just chose to avoid because I didn't want to don the required dress ! I really don't think we are doing our (collective)selves any favors moving in this direction. Having said that I support your opinion, the "up north" part ? Seems "up north" covers a lot of territory. How would one know the person is from "down south" (as we are from, south Florida) ?
My guess, just based on temperature, would be those from our former location in south Florida would be MORE inclined to minimum clothing, and those from "up north", MORE inclined to wear clothing with sleeves, collars, etc. etc. Just on opinion !

[Pairadocs]

Since Denim attire is allowed does that include jeans?

Not sure but... over the last 16 or so years, sure have seen plenty of jeans on both championship and executive courses, but, also in case no one has noticed, it's impossible to follow the "rules" here due to the inconsistency ! An employee at one course will tell you one thing, two days later a different employee at the same course will tell you another thing completely. Yes, it's maddening, you just have to try your best NOT to let it spoil your day, your retirement, your own sunny out look on life !

[Pairadocs]

in the new Woke world, men and women and binary ones may choose to wear collared shirts, t-shirts, or no shirts.

Call me a "crazy old person" but I LIKED the UN-woke world where one knew which restroom to use, the type of dress required for various events/activities, etc. Oh well !

[Pairadocs]

A couple years back we played exec golf with another couple. At the Starter, we checked in and she looked at the other guy and said “you’re not appropriately dressed!”

He’s a quiet type of guy and I said What, why???

She said his shirt had no collar. I replied it’s a Henley. She was adamant. I’ll let him play this time but be warned!

I asked her to come out to look at the men’s guidelines pictures on the notice right at the shack window. She sad no. But I was bound to educate her. She finally came out, saw the picture and went back in saying nothing.

She never announced for us to go to the line, we did on our own. Hopefully she learned…

I doubt she learned ANYTHING, such folks most often are not capable of "learning" because it is in DEEP INNER personality flaw, an ego problem, lack of self-esteem, a NEED to have some POWER in their life. Such folks are everywhere. But, thankfully, most businesses have effective employee training programs that at least help eliminate many of those types, but yes, they "slip" thorough in every business and entity. I do think The Villages has an exceptionally high percentage of such employees (the "I AM in charge here" people). Thinking back to when every pool had monitors, what a stark difference in pool to pool, day to day. No way to keep up on what the rules REALLY were. Again I just say, "roll with it", there is really no choice but... it is SO frustrating. It takes a very mature person to just smile and go on with life. Some will explode when constantly faced with the inconsistency.

[Pairadocs]

The newspaper’s business model is to write controversially stuff, so others will write letters to the editor to drive traffic.

I personally think golf shirts should be tucked in.

Exactly, carefully designed to drive traffic with sensational headlines, and it works, it is more than successful. Just look at the "click bait" on all portals of the internet... and people will "bite" over and over... humans just can't control emotional "triggers". Same on this site as we can see daily.

[JMintzer]

Agree that abandonment of all standards everywhere is erosion of a culture (ours) and not adding quality to our nation. Remember when "nice" restaurants REQUIRED conservative dress ? Remember back in the 70's (wow, a long time ago) when passengers were not only expected, but required to dress in a "semi" formal manner on cruises ? Remember when there were minimum standards for BOTH students and teachers in public schools ? Suppose I would be looked at as "grumpy", non progressive, old person, but I LIKED having minimum standards everywhere... even those places I just chose to avoid because I didn't want to don the required dress ! I really don't think we are doing our (collective)selves any favors moving in this direction. Having said that I support your opinion, the "up north" part ? Seems "up north" covers a lot of territory. How would one know the person is from "down south" (as we are from, south Florida) ?
My guess, just based on temperature, would be those from our former location in south Florida would be MORE inclined to minimum clothing, and those from "up north", MORE inclined to wear clothing with sleeves, collars, etc. etc. Just on opinion !

Great post!

[JMintzer]

I doubt she learned ANYTHING, such folks most often are not capable of "learning" because it is in DEEP INNER personality flaw, an ego problem, lack of self-esteem, a NEED to have some POWER in their life. Such folks are everywhere. But, thankfully, most businesses have effective employee training programs that at least help eliminate many of those types, but yes, they "slip" thorough in every business and entity. I do think The Villages has an exceptionally high percentage of such employees (the "I AM in charge here" people). Thinking back to when every pool had monitors, what a stark difference in pool to pool, day to day. No way to keep up on what the rules REALLY were. Again I just say, "roll with it", there is really no choice but... it is SO frustrating. It takes a very mature person to just smile and go on with life. Some will explode when constantly faced with the inconsistency.

It's the "condo-commando" mentality...

One of the main reasons I didn't want to buy a condo on the coasts was because of them. Always in your business, thinking they ran the place because they happened to buy before you did...

[Rainger99]

Get away with what?

This is NOT a t-shirt...

https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/fPFbmv2AN3DQGej.80wyTQ--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjt3PTEyMDA7aD05MDA-/https://img.huffingtonpost.com/asset/5cb49295230000b603ea1ed4.jpeg

The argument for Tiger Woods' mock neck shirt | Golf Equipment: Clubs, Balls, Bags | Golf Digest (https://www.golfdigest.com/story/the-argument-for-tiger-woods-mock-neck-shirt)

[tophcfa]

High class wanna be snotty snobs declare tee shirts as low class. Bring on the t shirts, and cut off the sleeves for good measure just to pi$$ them off.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Agree that abandonment of all standards everywhere is erosion of a culture (ours) and not adding quality to our nation. Remember when "nice" restaurants REQUIRED conservative dress ? Remember back in the 70's (wow, a long time ago) when passengers were not only expected, but required to dress in a "semi" formal manner on cruises ? Remember when there were minimum standards for BOTH students and teachers in public schools ? Suppose I would be looked at as "grumpy", non progressive, old person, but I LIKED having minimum standards everywhere... even those places I just chose to avoid because I didn't want to don the required dress ! I really don't think we are doing our (collective)selves any favors moving in this direction. Having said that I support your opinion, the "up north" part ? Seems "up north" covers a lot of territory. How would one know the person is from "down south" (as we are from, south Florida) ?
My guess, just based on temperature, would be those from our former location in south Florida would be MORE inclined to minimum clothing, and those from "up north", MORE inclined to wear clothing with sleeves, collars, etc. etc. Just on opinion !

Yes, memories are great. Remember when women weren't allowed to open up their own bank account without their husband's permission? Remember when women were required to wear dresses and pantyhose or stockings to work? Remember when men were expected to be the sole breadwinner in the family and support their wives and children financially, and pay ALL the bills out of his own paycheck? Remember when you had to wash your clothes on rocks? Remember when your bathroom was an outhouse? Remember when it got dark out at night and you had to light a lantern or candle to see in your house, because you didn't have electricity yet?

Not saying I'm for wifebeaters or tee-shirts at the golf course but "because that's how it was when I was younger" is a really lousy reason to not change things.

[Sandy and Ed]

No argument that those are the rules, my question was the rationale for the rules. My insinuation was that the rules had much less to do with the game than with the feelings of those who would be offended that someone dare to suggest a change to the rules.
Perhaps to prevent the courses from becoming circuses of clowns dressed in tutus, cut off jeans at crotch level, bare midriff sleeveless shirts, and any other Ridiculous combinations of attire. Social order has been destroyed outside The Villages. Why not let it exist a little longer here? It’s a small thing. Let it pass or go back north.

[La lamy]

Since Denim attire is allowed does that include jeans?

Yes. Bizarre, but true. You can thank one of the TV founders for his jeans preference.

[Harold.wiser]

I agree with the collared shirt rule. You wanna wear a t-shirt, go play somewhere else.

[Bill14564]

The argument for Tiger Woods' mock neck shirt | Golf Equipment: Clubs, Balls, Bags | Golf Digest (https://www.golfdigest.com/story/the-argument-for-tiger-woods-mock-neck-shirt)

From the article:
Now, Woods and these players all have one major theme in common. Any style risk can be deemed successful, if you have the game to back it up. You can't make too much fun of the guy holding the trophy, when your hands are empty.

So rather than go to the PWAC, AAC, VCDD, or SLCDD to have the rules relaxed what the gentleman needs to do is find one of the "Family" or champion golfer to support his idea. If that approach can make denim or mock turtlenecks suddenly appropriate than it can make his choice appropriate too (without the total destruction of social order).

[Get real]

Four pages of this crap over a t shirt....jeez.:blahblahblah:

[WingedFoot78]

No one has suggested a clothing optional course in TV. Oh, god, the thought...........

[Steve]

Since Denim attire is allowed does that include jeans?

Apparently, jeans are OK at our "Country Clubs". There was a picture in yesterday's paper of a guy who made an ace on one of the "Clubs" and we was wearing some well-worn Levis. In our off-campus group one of our players showed up in jeans and had to buy a pair of rain pants to cover them up because denim ain't allowed. And this was just a golf course, not a "Country Club".

[Steve]

A couple years back we played exec golf with another couple. At the Starter, we checked in and she looked at the other guy and said “you’re not appropriately dressed!”

He’s a quiet type of guy and I said What, why???

She said his shirt had no collar. I replied it’s a Henley. She was adamant. I’ll let him play this time but be warned!

I asked her to come out to look at the men’s guidelines pictures on the notice right at the shack window. She sad no. But I was bound to educate her. She finally came out, saw the picture and went back in saying nothing.

She never announced for us to go to the line, we did on our own. Hopefully she learned…

People don't understand that a "collared shirt" means no tank tops, which don't have collars. I have several PGA brand shirts that are "collarless". Gary Player player played much of his career in "collarless" shirts.

[Ele201]

and the next thing it will be “wife beater” tank tops …please support the collared shirt and the Rules…When they go low, we go high
Just want to say avoid the term “low class.” It’s outdated and just stirs the pot. It also might be a trigger for some.

[Mrmean58]

and the next thing it will be “wife beater” tank tops …please support the collared shirt and the Rules…When they go low, we go high

Or they have paint splatters, political slogans, graphic images. No thank you on the t shirts. We already had residents who wanted to wear pajama bottoms to golf on the recent cold mornings.

[NJRICHARD]

TOLERANCE IS THE LAST VIRTUE OF A DYING SOCIETY.....Aristotle

[Fastskiguy]

I thought an inadvertent violation of the executive course dress code was kinda a right of passage upon moving to TV. It certainly happened to me (but only once!)

Joe

[SeaCros]

Just something else to complain about. Will it ever end? I am guessing not.

[Mardys]

I am totally with the writer. I know we’re retired, but that is no excuse for not dressing appropriately on the golf course. Tee shirts are not!

[Hmfed16]

and the next thing it will be “wife beater” tank tops …please support the collared shirt and the Rules…When they go low, we go high

An open collared shirt is cooler than a tee shirt that clings to the neck.
Golf is still a perfect venue for wearing good looking clothes. I can’t seem to buy a game, but I can buy a nice looking shirt now and then.
And I would do away with allowing blue jeans on the golf course.

[Sage327]

and the next thing it will be “wife beater” tank tops …please support the collared shirt and the Rules…When they go low, we go high
I agree. Is a collared shirt that big of a deal to wear on the golf course? I don’t even like seeing dungarees out there.

[ThirdOfFive]

I am totally with the writer. I know we’re retired, but that is no excuse for not dressing appropriately on the golf course. Tee shirts are not!
Amen. The person who owns the sandbox gets to set the rules for playing in it.

It is no secret. Proper attire for both men and women are prominently posted at all the executive course shacks, both in English and (assumedly for those not able to read the language) in graphic form as well. I've also heard that the courses have collared shirts on hand for those who for whatever reason neglected to wear one to the course for their round.

[RICH1]

Perhaps to prevent the courses from becoming circuses of clowns dressed in tutus, cut off jeans at crotch level, bare midriff sleeveless shirts, and any other Ridiculous combinations of attire. Social order has been destroyed outside The Villages. Why not let it exist a little longer here? It’s a small thing. Let it pass or go back north.
Well said

[MidWestIA]

Old story Morse was a cowboy jeans guy he went to play golf and got turned down next day we could wear jeans - but not outside TV I got turned down when I forgot

[Rainger99]

It seems that the golf courses have much stricter dress codes than the squares and even many of the churches.

[CCristella]

Not everybody reads the online rag. As far as that guy crying because he has to wear a collared shirt on the executive courses... Just another loser that moved here from up North. He should have done his homework before moving here. Time will tell if he could get a lawyer willing to take on TV. I'm pretty sure case law is not on his side. I have a few sleeveless shirts I wear at the pickleball courts when it gets real hot, but have not seen any restrictions other than you have to wear a shirt at the courts.

Why is the person from "up North" , alot of rednecks from the South

[CCristella]

Why from "up North" , There are plently of "rednecks" from the south!!!

[ThirdOfFive]

Why from "up North" , There are plently of "rednecks" from the south!!!
Heh. I don't know about the "redneck" part, but my guess is that if you asked every Villager what direction he or she moved her from, 95% or more would point "north".

[saratogaman]

Not everybody reads the online rag. As far as that guy crying because he has to wear a collared shirt on the executive courses... Just another loser that moved here from up North. He should have done his homework before moving here. Time will tell if he could get a lawyer willing to take on TV. I'm pretty sure case law is not on his side. I have a few sleeveless shirts I wear at the pickleball courts when it gets real hot, but have not seen any restrictions other than you have to wear a shirt at the courts.

How did you determine that "he was from up North?"

[ldj1938]

That was stupid.

[Papa_lecki]

Pretty sure the guy has no legal leg to stand on.

Both courses are privately owned, the owner sets the dress code - doesn’t batter that a local muni allows t-shirts.

the Dre’s rule isn’t even arbitrary, it’s based off the sport’s norm.

His one argument is the rule isn’t universally applied, which might lead to more strict enforcement.

[MX rider]

C'mon peeps, it's 2023. The world has gone casual whether you like it or not.
I hate wearing a collared shirt.
They could easily allow t-shirts with some restrictions, like no sleeveless or political shirts.

I play to have fun, plain and simple. I worry less about what players are wearing and more about the pace of play, and lack of golf etiquette. Or the people too lazy to fix ball marks.

[wisbad1]

Not everybody reads the online rag. As far as that guy crying because he has to wear a collared shirt on the executive courses... Just another loser that moved here from up North. He should have done his homework before moving here. Time will tell if he could get a lawyer willing to take on TV. I'm pretty sure case law is not on his side. I have a few sleeveless shirts I wear at the pickleball courts when it gets real hot, but have not seen any restrictions other than you have to wear a shirt at the courts.
We’re not all losers, please stop name calling.

[Velvet]

TOLERANCE IS THE LAST VIRTUE OF A DYING SOCIETY.....Aristotle

And they also say tolerance of the intolerable made the Roman Empire fall. Just saying….

[Velvet]

It seems that the golf courses have much stricter dress codes than the squares and even many of the churches.

Or your home etc etc what has that got to do with it? Everyone is welcome at Church including the poorest, everyone is welcome at the Squares to spend their money merchants don’t care how they’re dressed, but not everyone is welcome at the golf course, you need ID.

[jimjamuser]

Well said
"Social order has been destroyed outside of the Villages".......hhhhyyyyymmmm Sounds to me like an older generational putdown of a younger generation. Don't forget that we were on the OTHER side of an issue like that when we-all decided to enjoy rock and roll.
........I think that the younger generation like Gretta Thunberg will do the world a world of GOOD. After all, we are the generation responsible for Global Warming and Unlimited populations.
.......Tv land does have an insulative effect from the younger generations and ideas, but I DO see a lot of seniors riding E-Bikes, so maybe we still have sparks of hope left. And I suspect that many golfers are uncomfortable about change.......even more than other retirees.

[Pilodent]

As one who reads TOTV posts for information l would appreciate it if the clown wannabees would find another site to inflict their attempts at humor on readers. We don't appreciate sifting thru junk to find help about a serious subject. Go to pathetic clowns.com.

[conman5652@aol.com]

Only if you have your biker club logo on the back of denim jacket

[Gpsma]

Did a poster say something about “respect for the game”

[jimmy o]

and the next thing it will be “wife beater” tank tops …please support the collared shirt and the Rules…When they go low, we go high

It isn't necessarily that it a tee shirt, but sloppy dress is considered the culprit. Since it's hard to say what is considered sloppy, parameters are set to define appropriate dress. Believe it or not; Studies have shown that golfers who dress poorly are more apt to: leave divots undressed, leave sand traps unraked, and also not repair ball marks left on green. The same studies also find that it's usually the poorly dressed players that leave angry divots in the fairways and even on the greens when they make a poor shot. So yes I agree that a dress code for golf is appropriate.

[LuvNH]

I don't know of any course that will allow him to play without appropriate atire, either here or anywhere else. It is an unwritten rule that golf shirts are worn on the golf course. If he does not like it take up another type of sport where he can wear exactly what he wants.

Oh yes, I do. Miniature Golf. He can wear anything there!

[JMintzer]

Yes, memories are great. Remember when women weren't allowed to open up their own bank account without their husband's permission? Remember when women were required to wear dresses and pantyhose or stockings to work? Remember when men were expected to be the sole breadwinner in the family and support their wives and children financially, and pay ALL the bills out of his own paycheck? Remember when you had to wash your clothes on rocks? Remember when your bathroom was an outhouse? Remember when it got dark out at night and you had to light a lantern or candle to see in your house, because you didn't have electricity yet?

Not saying I'm for wifebeaters or tee-shirts at the golf course but "because that's how it was when I was younger" is a really lousy reason to not change things.

Remember before computers when people didn't post reductio absurdum arguments?

[JMintzer]

No one has suggested a clothing optional course in TV. Oh, god, the thought...........

No one has the "balls" to do it...

[JMintzer]

"Social order has been destroyed outside of the Villages".......hhhhyyyyymmmm Sounds to me like an older generational putdown of a younger generation. Don't forget that we were on the OTHER side of an issue like that when we-all decided to enjoy rock and roll.
........I think that the younger generation like Gretta Thunberg will do the world a world of GOOD. After all, we are the generation responsible for Global Warming and Unlimited populations.
.......Tv land does have an insulative effect from the younger generations and ideas, but I DO see a lot of seniors riding E-Bikes, so maybe we still have sparks of hope left. And I suspect that many golfers are uncomfortable about change.......even more than other retirees.

Only you...

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[JMintzer]

Did a poster say something about “respect for the game”

Yes, one hole at one tournament defines the game...

[BrianL99]

I don't know of any course that will allow him to play without appropriate atire, either here or anywhere else. It is an unwritten rule that golf shirts are worn on the golf course. If he does not like it take up another type of sport where he can wear exactly what he wants.

Oh yes, I do. Miniature Golf. He can wear anything there!

What planet are you folks living on?

Golf courses all over the country (& the world) are modifying or eliminating "dress codes". I'd prefer folks always dressed with some class, but the world has changed. As usual, The Villagers are mired in the past. If someone wants to dress like a buffoon, how does it effect you? No matter how bad it gets, it will never approach the ridiculous dress at the town squares.

Tiger Woods’ new golf course has no dress code | Today'''s Golfer (https://www.todays-golfer.com/news-and-events/general-news/2015/november/tiger-woodss-new-golf-course-has-no-dress-code/)

Millennial Golf Dress Code (https://blog.nextgengolf.org/golf-help/millennial-golf-dress-code)

Should golf clubs still require dress codes? (https://www.golfpass.com/travel-advisor/articles/should-golf-clubs-still-require-dress-codes)

Is It Time For Golf To Ditch The Dress Code? | Golf Monthly (https://www.golfmonthly.com/features/the-game/time-golf-ditch-dress-code-184667)

Time to abolish dress code – there's proof in every golf club | National Club Golfer (https://www.nationalclubgolfer.com/news/abolish-dress-code-proof/)

http://www.golfgal-blog.com/2010/09/private-golf-clubs-need-a-dress-code-wake-up-call.html

[Velvet]

So you’re saying if many people/places throw garbage on the golf course, we should too?

[thelegges]

If I was allowed to play with my father, not only did you wear a collar shirt, but long pants only at the country club. When I started playing with my father-in-law, long pants were also a rule.

Old habits are hard to break, On many occasions in TV, I will wear long pants, and take a lot of heat for it. But I also have shirt, color, that matches, my pants, belt, shoes, and socks.

I wear a collar shirt 98% of the time I walk out the front door to even go to the grocery.

[JohnN]

very controversial, interesting

[coleprice]

and the next thing it will be “wife beater” tank tops …please support the collared shirt and the Rules…When they go low, we go high

I saw the following on-line:
When you invest yourself into the sport of golf, you need access to courses, which include various fees. You also need clubs, a bag, proper attire, and expendables like balls and tees.
Golf carts are clearly optional. Golfing is a very traditional sport. Part of the tradition is attire. Golfing attire elevates and sets apart individuals and the sport. (I’ll note here that the cost for playing golf at The Villages is extremely low.
However, low cost doesn’t mean low standards or violating tradition.) The marketplace is FILLED with golfing shirts, pants, shorts and skorts that have amazing fabric properties.
These fabrics boast breathable knit designs and sweat-wicking properties that far outperform tee shirts for comfort and durability. Arguing for tee shirts is like insisting you can hit balls with sticks.
Let’s don’t go downhill in the sporting tradition. Buy some golf shirts at Goodwill or the Charity store if you don’t want to invest heavily. Buy your entire golf wardrobe and equipment there if you like, but don’t bring the entire sport down because you want to go lowbrow.

[Bill14564]

So you’re saying if many people/places throw garbage on the golf course, we should too?

Not sure which side you are arguing here...

So you're saying if many people/places allow t-shirts we should too?

So you're saying if many people/places have rules requiring collars we should too?

So you're saying if many people/places require long pants we should too?

So you're saying if many people/places prohibit denim we should too?

Have to be really, really careful about arguing based on traditions - there are some that we wouldn't be proud of today.

How about - if it affects the play of the game, have a rule for it. If it does not affect the play of the game but it offends your personal sensibilities, get over it.

[wamley]

Another Northern basher, prejudice has no boundaries. I'm from the north and think collared shirts are have been the standard until the non collared shirt, more like an abbreviated turtle neck was introduced many years ago by Nike on super golfer Tiger Woods. Tradition was affected, but not obliterated. I would hope that the traditional collared shirt stays as time progresses, but it seems that nothing of tradition isn't in the crosshairs of some groups.

[MX rider]

I saw the following on-line:
When you invest yourself into the sport of golf, you need access to courses, which include various fees. You also need clubs, a bag, proper attire, and expendables like balls and tees.
Golf carts are clearly optional. Golfing is a very traditional sport. Part of the tradition is attire. Golfing attire elevates and sets apart individuals and the sport. (I’ll note here that the cost for playing golf at The Villages is extremely low.
However, low cost doesn’t mean low standards or violating tradition.) The marketplace is FILLED with golfing shirts, pants, shorts and skorts that have amazing fabric properties.
These fabrics boast breathable knit designs and sweat-wicking properties that far outperform tee shirts for comfort and durability. Arguing for tee shirts is like insisting you can hit balls with sticks.
Let’s don’t go downhill in the sporting tradition. Buy some golf shirts at Goodwill or the Charity store if you don’t want to invest heavily. Buy your entire golf wardrobe and equipment there if you like, but don’t bring the entire sport down because you want to go lowbrow.

Talking about tradition is a joke. Many traditions are outdated, and this is one of them.

It's golf, and it's a game for people to play and enjoy.

Please tell me how a guy that would like to where a t-shirt is in your words lowbrow, but suddenly is "elevated" when he buys and wears a collared shirt? He's the same person.

As I said in an earlier post, the world has gone casual. Get over it. Nice t-shirts and cargo shorts are very much the norm now.
They can have some simple rules to allow acceptable t-shirts.

Stop living in the past.

[Velvet]

Not sure which side you are arguing here...

So you're saying if many people/places allow t-shirts we should too?

So you're saying if many people/places have rules requiring collars we should too?

So you're saying if many people/places require long pants we should too?

So you're saying if many people/places prohibit denim we should too?

Have to be really, really careful about arguing based on traditions - there are some that we wouldn't be proud of today.

How about - if it affects the play of the game, have a rule for it. If it does not affect the play of the game but it offends your personal sensibilities, get over it.

I guess I was mocking people who don’t want to adhere to the sport but would like to make up their own rules and still be allowed to play. Or walk their dogs on the course etc, why just stop at shirts? It’s not that golf is static. Traditions can be modified, with proper process, we now have helmets in hockey etc.

[LuvNH]

Lets end this nonsense by saying if you want to play in a Tee shirt find a club that allows it, and if you want to wear a traditional shirt you will have plenty of choices to play golf. Case closed I hope!

[MX rider]

I saw the following on-line:
When you invest yourself into the sport of golf, you need access to courses, which include various fees. You also need clubs, a bag, proper attire, and expendables like balls and tees.
Golf carts are clearly optional. Golfing is a very traditional sport. Part of the tradition is attire. Golfing attire elevates and sets apart individuals and the sport. (I’ll note here that the cost for playing golf at The Villages is extremely low.
However, low cost doesn’t mean low standards or violating tradition.) The marketplace is FILLED with golfing shirts, pants, shorts and skorts that have amazing fabric properties.
These fabrics boast breathable knit designs and sweat-wicking properties that far outperform tee shirts for comfort and durability. Arguing for tee shirts is like insisting you can hit balls with sticks.
Let’s don’t go downhill in the sporting tradition. Buy some golf shirts at Goodwill or the Charity store if you don’t want to invest heavily. Buy your entire golf wardrobe and equipment there if you like, but don’t bring the entire sport down because you want to go lowbrow.

I guess I was mocking people who don’t want to adhere to the sport but would like to make up their own rules and still be allowed to play. Or walk their dogs on the course etc, why just stop at shirts? It’s not that golf is static. Traditions can be modified, with proper process, we now have helmets in hockey etc.

I'm much more worried about the tradition of proper golf etiquette, pace of play, and lazy people who won't fix ball marks.
Collared shirts, I could give a sh*t

[Velvet]

I'm much more worried about the tradition of proper golf etiquette, pace of play, and lazy people who won't fix ball marks.
Collared shirts, I could give a sh*t

Yes, that is YOU. And of course you are welcome to your opinion, as we all are.

[Bill14564]

I guess I was mocking people who don’t want to adhere to the sport but would like to make up their own rules and still be allowed to play. Or walk their dogs on the course etc, why just stop at shirts? It’s not that golf is static. Traditions can be modified, with proper process, we now have helmets in hockey etc.

Fair enough.

Walking dogs on the course affects the course and the game. Others have mentioned slow play and fixing divots - again, affects the course and the game. Helmets in hockey? Safety issue affecting the game. All good.

Shirts? Collars required until a champion golfer wore something else. Long pants required until (who?) wore shorts. No denim allowed until an owner wanted a change. None of this affected the course or the game and neither will t-shirts.

Proper process? The individual attempted to find the right board to propose a change in the rules. Given the response he received from those boards and in this thread, the only process to follow is to not suggest any changes.

[Velvet]

Fair enough.

Walking dogs on the course affects the course and the game. Others have mentioned slow play and fixing divots - again, affects the course and the game. Helmets in hockey? Safety issue affecting the game. All good.

Shirts? Collars required until a champion golfer wore something else. Long pants required until (who?) wore shorts. No denim allowed until an owner wanted a change. None of this affected the course or the game and neither will t-shirts.

Proper process? The individual attempted to find the right board to propose a change in the rules. Given the response he received from those boards and in this thread, the only process to follow is to not suggest any changes.

It sounds like they went through the appropriate channels. Still it was rejected. Sometimes change takes time, and people, many people, to agree with it.

[MX rider]

Fair enough.

Walking dogs on the course affects the course and the game. Others have mentioned slow play and fixing divots - again, affects the course and the game. Helmets in hockey? Safety issue affecting the game. All good.

Shirts? Collars required until a champion golfer wore something else. Long pants required until (who?) wore shorts. No denim allowed until an owner wanted a change. None of this affected the course or the game and neither will t-shirts.

Proper process? The individual attempted to find the right board to propose a change in the rules. Given the response he received from those boards and in this thread, the only process to follow is to not suggest any changes.

Very well said. Thanks for that. God forbid we try to change something in golf! lol

[JGibson]

Women don't have to wear a collar so the guy can claim discrimination based on gender.

[JMintzer]

Women don't have to wear a collar so the guy can claim discrimination based on gender.

I don't wear a collared shirt when I put on my skort and play from the Ladies' Tees either...

[JGibson]

I don't wear a collared shirt when I put on my skort and play from the Ladies' Tees either...

I just identify as a woman with no collar and play from the blacks.

[kkingston57]

C'mon peeps, it's 2023. The world has gone casual whether you like it or not.
I hate wearing a collared shirt.
They could easily allow t-shirts with some restrictions, like no sleeveless or political shirts.

I play to have fun, plain and simple. I worry less about what players are wearing and more about the pace of play, and lack of golf etiquette. Or the people too lazy to fix ball marks.

Are the old style gym shorts acceptable? How about tattered jeans? Wear a collared shirt 1/2 of the time. Feels the same as a T shirt and can be used to protect neck from sun.

[JGibson]

I would revisit this when generation Z takes over The Villages.

[RICH1]

I would revisit this when generation Z takes over The Villages.
EXACTLY….. Well said

[Velvet]

For those who like to dress like Tiger Woods, if you notice he not only wears a polo but creased (ironed) long pants. In today’s Daily Sun.

[JGibson]

For those who like to dress like Tiger Woods, if you notice he not only wears a polo but creased (ironed) long pants. In today’s Daily Sun.

PGAT is not allowed to wear shorts, he wears shorts during practice rounds.
Also something tells me he doesn't do his own ironing.
He is actually paid by Nike to wear those nice ironed pants.

Good to see LIV golf getting with the times and allowing shorts.