Is Pfizer making too much money from COVID?

[MrLonzo]

I watch Fox News a lot and generally respect the views of some of the hosts like Tucker Carlson or Jesse Watters. They rail against the ‘fake news’, yet almost daily condemn Pfizer as a money grubbing big bad pharmaceutical company making record profits on the back of the COVID emergency. A fake narrative!

I’ve been a Pfizer shareholder for many years. The company’s net profit in 2021, 2 years into COVID, was about the same as it was in 2017, 2 years before COVID! Their stock price today is about what it was at the end of 2018, a year before any thought of a COVID vaccine.

So where does this impression of ‘record profits’ come from? And why does the media keep portraying Pfizer as the ‘enemy’? A lot of people would be dead if all the drug companies disappeared!

[Jayhawk]

I watch Fox News a lot and generally respect the views of some of the hosts like Tucker Carlson or Jesse Watters. They rail against the ‘fake news’, yet almost daily condemn Pfizer as a money grubbing big bad pharmaceutical company making record profits on the back of the COVID emergency. A fake narrative!

I’ve been a Pfizer shareholder for many years. The company’s net profit in 2021, 2 years into COVID, was about the same as it was in 2017, 2 years before COVID! There’s no record ‘COVID profits’! Their stock price today is about what it was at the end of 2018, a year before any thought of a COVID vaccine.

So where does this impression of ‘record profits’ come from? And why does the media keep portraying Pfizer as the ‘enemy’? A lot of people would be dead if all the drug companies disappeared!

It comes directly from the Pfizer board:

https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20230131005121/en/PFIZER-REPORTS-RECORD-FULL-YEAR-2022-RESULTS-AND-PROVIDES-FULL-YEAR-2023-FINANCIAL-GUIDANCE

Dr. Albert Bourla, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, stated: “2022 was a record-breaking year for Pfizer, not only in terms of revenue and earnings per share, which were the highest in our long history, but more importantly, in terms of the percentage of patients who have a positive perception of Pfizer and the work we do. As proud as we are about what we have accomplished, our focus is always on what is next. As we turn to 2023, we expect to once again set records, with potentially the largest number of new product and indication launches that we’ve ever had in such a short period of time.

Based on this, I don't see why your complaint is with the news sources.

[Keefelane66]

Just take in the sources Waters or Carlson mostly opinion with dubious facts

[Michael G.]

Fauci is the dude that made big bucks on Covid 19.

[coralway]

you get your news from Faux News?

Stay away from windmills, they cause cancer

[Caymus]

you get your news from Faux News?

Stay away from windmills, they cause cancer

At least they were not hiding China's involvement in spreading Covid.

[JMintzer]

you get your news from Faux News?

Stay away from windmills, they cause cancer

Everybody drink!

[Stu from NYC]

you get your news from Faux News?

Stay away from windmills, they cause cancer

Tell me about a news source that is actually objective these days

[Bill14564]

I watch Fox News a lot and generally respect the views of some of the hosts like Tucker Carlson or Jesse Watters. They rail against the ‘fake news’, yet almost daily condemn Pfizer as a money grubbing big bad pharmaceutical company making record profits on the back of the COVID emergency. A fake narrative!

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Definitely need to take that source with multiple grains of salt. I'm not being political or liberal in any way, just the facts. To defend themselves against one lawsuit, Fox News argued that Tucker Carlson's rantings were for entertainment purposes and shouldn't be taken as fact. Currently, Fox News is getting some unwanted publicity as some internal emails are released showing that they didn't believe some of the statements they were making on air. Their recent track record, by their own words, doesn't look very good.

[Pairadocs]

I watch Fox News a lot and generally respect the views of some of the hosts like Tucker Carlson or Jesse Watters. They rail against the ‘fake news’, yet almost daily condemn Pfizer as a money grubbing big bad pharmaceutical company making record profits on the back of the COVID emergency. A fake narrative!

I’ve been a Pfizer shareholder for many years. The company’s net profit in 2021, 2 years into COVID, was about the same as it was in 2017, 2 years before COVID! There’s no record ‘COVID profits’! Their stock price today is about what it was at the end of 2018, a year before any thought of a COVID vaccine.

So where does this impression of ‘record profits’ come from? And why does the media keep portraying Pfizer as the ‘enemy’? A lot of people would be dead if all the drug companies disappeared!

Disclosure, I have held Pfizer stock for years, actually sold it, and all my pharma stocks BEFORE Covid. In my opinion it is not that Fox, or any other source gives opinions one way or the other (BIG distinction between and among "news reporters", and "commentators", so make sure you are not mixing up the two.) But more important, I think the various excesses of ALL the pharma companies ( if you think back you can probably bring them to mind, price increases as much at 2000% in some cases) has caused a CUMULATIVE effect on everyone, not just the "news commentators". Drug companies exist to make money, for those of us who invest in their company. As many positives as the capitalist system has, there still must be an element of "conscience". I'm sure you also remember the many past incidents of big pharma companies "dumping" ineffective treatments and medications on third world countries. It's not pretty, it's not "fair", but in the end, it all goes to the depth of integrity of the individuals involved. Most USA coal mine tragedies were eventually traced to human GREED. That might turn out to be the "root" of this latest rail tragedy too ? Be it brakes, or bearings, it may end up just another calculated money saving "risk" ! ? All this tends to "cause" the "bad mouthing" of companies like Pfizer. Also, right or wrong, the CEO is not a well liked personality, should not make a difference, but it does.

[Keefelane66]

Definitely need to take that source with multiple grains of salt. I'm not being political or liberal in any way, just the facts. To defend themselves against one lawsuit, Fox News argued that Tucker Carlson's rantings were for entertainment purposes and shouldn't be taken as fact. Currently, Fox News is getting some unwanted publicity as some internal emails are released showing that they didn't believe some of the statements they were making on air. Their recent track record, by their own words, doesn't look very good.
Recent testimony “Not Red Or Blue, It Is Green’: Murdoch Admits Fox News Hosts Pushed False Claims”

[Rainger99]

So where does this impression of ‘record profits’ come from? And why does the media keep portraying Pfizer as the ‘enemy’? A lot of people would be dead if all the drug companies disappeared!

How Pfizer Won the Pandemic, Reaping Outsize Profit and Influence | Kaiser Health News (https://khn.org/news/article/pfizer-pandemic-vaccine-market-paxlovid-outsize-profit-influence/)

According to the article, Pfizer’s 2021 revenue was $81.3 billion, roughly double its revenue in 2020, when its top sellers were a pneumonia vaccine, the cancer drug Ibrance, and the fibromyalgia treatment Lyrica, which had gone off-patent.

Now its mRNA vaccine holds 70% of the U.S. and European markets. And its antiviral Paxlovid is the pill of choice to treat early symptoms of covid. This year, the company expects to rake in more than $50 billion in global revenue from the two medications alone.

Hopefully, they are passing this along in dividends to the shareholders although it doesn't look like they are giving a lot of the money to the owners of the company.

In 2017, they paid $1.28 in dividends; in 2018 they paid $1.36; in 2019 they paid $1.44; in 2020 they paid $1.52, in 2021, they paid $1.56 and in 2022 they paid $1.60. They also did something on November 17, 2020 but I don't know what they did. Perhaps someone who understands the stock market can explain. 11/17/2020 CASH/STOCK $2.027451

Access Denied (https://www.nasdaq.com/market-activity/stocks/pfe/dividend-history)

[MrLonzo]

It comes directly from the Pfizer board:

https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20230131005121/en/PFIZER-REPORTS-RECORD-FULL-YEAR-2022-RESULTS-AND-PROVIDES-FULL-YEAR-2023-FINANCIAL-GUIDANCE

Dr. Albert Bourla, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, stated: “2022 was a record-breaking year for Pfizer, not only in terms of revenue and earnings per share, which were the highest in our long history, but more importantly, in terms of the percentage of patients who have a positive perception of Pfizer and the work we do. As proud as we are about what we have accomplished, our focus is always on what is next. As we turn to 2023, we expect to once again set records, with potentially the largest number of new product and indication launches that we’ve ever had in such a short period of time.

Based on this, I don't see why your complaint is with the news sources.


Yes, you’re right, EPS perked up in 2022. I was only looking at the financials through 2021, which included 2 years of COVID vaccine development. But the recent earnings report in January show much higher revenues and EPS for 2022, which is why I keep scratching my head as to why the stock price keeps going down. And why the media (not just Fox) vilifies Pfizer for getting paid to do what the government asked them for at a time everyone was so desperate.

[JMintzer]

Definitely need to take that source with multiple grains of salt. I'm not being political or liberal in any way, just the facts. To defend themselves against one lawsuit, Fox News argued that Tucker Carlson's rantings were for entertainment purposes and shouldn't be taken as fact. Currently, Fox News is getting some unwanted publicity as some internal emails are released showing that they didn't believe some of the statements they were making on air. Their recent track record, by their own words, doesn't look very good.

Want to play that game with all of the nonsense broadcasted on CNN, MSNBC, NBC, CBS and ABC?

[Stu from NYC]

Want to play that game with all of the nonsense broadcasted on CNN, MSNBC, NBC, CBS and ABC?

Here you go again saying that those channels are not objective.:wave:

[Bill14564]

Want to play that game with all of the nonsense broadcasted on CNN, MSNBC, NBC, CBS and ABC?

Sure. What two defamation cases are those stations involved in? Poor research leading to inaccurate reporting is one thing, knowingly and intentionally reporting false information is another.

Also, please note I did not endorse any network.

[Djean1981]

Well, I no longer trust Pfizer. You can if you want to.

[Rainger99]

Sure. What two defamation cases are those stations involved in? Poor research leading to inaccurate reporting is one thing, knowingly and intentionally reporting false information is another.

Also, please note I did not endorse any network.

CNN is being sued for defamation.
And MSNBC is also being sued for defamation.

Google it - I do not want to make a political reference.

[Bill14564]

CNN is being sued for defamation.
And MSNBC is also being sued for defamation.

Google it - I do not want to make a political reference.

Interesting similarities between the CNN case and the Fox News case - opposite sides of the same coin. Could be an interesting discussion but would not last long on this board.

[djplong]

I watch Fox News a lot and generally respect the views of some of the hosts like Tucker Carlson or Jesse Watters. They rail against the ‘fake news’,

You *are* aware of all the material that was made public in the trial against Fox News where the hosts admitted they knew they were peddling lies, yes? Not just testimony under oath but emails and texts....

When it comes to corporations, if you want the truth about financial matters, there are plenty of financial websites out there that digest the various filings that they make to the SEC. Because of this, I can tell you how much a given corporation is paying out in dividends - how much they've been hiked over the last couple of decades, how much money was spent on share buybacks, etc. You know the old saying - "follow the money"...

Remember that WE, the TAXPAYERS paid for that vaccine. WE paid Pfizer and Moderna to develop it. WE paid for them to ramp up production. And now, instead of offering it for cost plus a reasonable profit, they go to "market pricing". This is why a $20 dose of insulin can cost hundreds of dollars.

Ask yourself just how much profit motive is applicable when it comes to health care.

[Trishakaye]

you get your news from Faux News?

Stay away from windmills, they cause cancer

It is a fact the wind mill farms in coastal waters are having a terrible effect on the fishing industry. Ask any professional fisherman.

[Rzepecki]

Fauci is the dude that made big bucks on Covid 19.

How do you figure that?

[jswirs]

You *are* aware of all the material that was made public in the trial against Fox News where the hosts admitted they knew they were peddling lies, yes? Not just testimony under oath but emails and texts....

When it comes to corporations, if you want the truth about financial matters, there are plenty of financial websites out there that digest the various filings that they make to the SEC. Because of this, I can tell you how much a given corporation is paying out in dividends - how much they've been hiked over the last couple of decades, how much money was spent on share buybacks, etc. You know the old saying - "follow the money"...

Remember that WE, the TAXPAYERS paid for that vaccine. WE paid Pfizer and Moderna to develop it. WE paid for them to ramp up production. And now, instead of offering it for cost plus a reasonable profit, they go to "market pricing". This is why a $20 dose of insulin can cost hundreds of dollars.

Ask yourself just how much profit motive is applicable when it comes to health care.

It's all very simple and can be summed up in one sentence; The majority of the medical INDUSTRY operates by "PROFIT BEFORE PEOPLE".

[Rainger99]

It's all very simple and can be summed up in one sentence; The majority of the medical INDUSTRY operates by "PROFIT BEFORE PEOPLE".

I think that applies to all industries. If a company isn’t making a profit, it will eventually go out of business - whether it is medical, oil, farming, food, entertainment, real estate, etc.

[Rainger99]

I think that applies to all industries. If a company isn’t making a profit, it will eventually go out of business - whether it is medical, oil, farming, food, entertainment, real estate, etc.

Even nonprofits have to make a profit.

Myths About Nonprofits | National Council of Nonprofits (https://www.councilofnonprofits.org/myths-about-nonprofits)

[Caymus]

How do you figure that?

$100K for a "motivational" speech.

[Annie66]

Just take in the sources Waters or Carlson mostly opinion with dubious facts

I believe the recent revelations by Rupert Murdock that his big personalities lied to us about the Big Lie. How can anyone believe a word that comes out of their mouth?

[GizmoWhiskers]

I watch Fox News a lot and generally respect the views of some of the hosts like Tucker Carlson or Jesse Watters. They rail against the ‘fake news’, yet almost daily condemn Pfizer as a money grubbing big bad pharmaceutical company making record profits on the back of the COVID emergency. A fake narrative!

I’ve been a Pfizer shareholder for many years. The company’s net profit in 2021, 2 years into COVID, was about the same as it was in 2017, 2 years before COVID! Their stock price today is about what it was at the end of 2018, a year before any thought of a COVID vaccine.

So where does this impression of ‘record profits’ come from? And why does the media keep portraying Pfizer as the ‘enemy’? A lot of people would be dead if all the drug companies disappeared!
Infraction "click bait" for conservatives on this site.

[Bill14564]

It is a fact the wind mill farms in coastal waters are having a terrible effect on the fishing industry. Ask any professional fisherman.

Really needs another thread. Fact or claim? Google can find little of either.

[Ptmckiou]

You still watch Fox “News” since the release of the court transcripts of Murdoch stating they tell their audience what they want to hear, knowing it is a lie? That pretty much taints anything that comes out of their mouth, knowing they flat out lie because it keeps their audience and that means more money. It’s Fox Entertainment, not Fox News. Use discernment.

[mikemalloy]

Sure. What two defamation cases are those stations involved in? Poor research leading to inaccurate reporting is one thing, knowingly and intentionally reporting false information is another.

Also, please note I did not endorse any network.
You never hear of Nick Sandman?

[kenoc7]

Fauci is the dude that made big bucks on Covid 19.

What evidence do you have for that absurd statement?

[mikemalloy]

I watch Fox News a lot and generally respect the views of some of the hosts like Tucker Carlson or Jesse Watters. They rail against the ‘fake news’, yet almost daily condemn Pfizer as a money grubbing big bad pharmaceutical company making record profits on the back of the COVID emergency. A fake narrative!

I’ve been a Pfizer shareholder for many years. The company’s net profit in 2021, 2 years into COVID, was about the same as it was in 2017, 2 years before COVID! Their stock price today is about what it was at the end of 2018, a year before any thought of a COVID vaccine.

So where does this impression of ‘record profits’ come from? And why does the media keep portraying Pfizer as the ‘enemy’? A lot of people would be dead if all the drug companies disappeared!
One of the many things that bothered me about the 2020 election was the withholding of the news about the vaccine's upcoming use until after the election. I believe this along with news suppression certainly had some impact of what occurred.
In return, every effort was made by our government to sell every dose of vaccine it possible could. This effort included telling us at one point the if we took the vaccine we could not get Covid. We were also told if we took the vaccine we could not spread Covid. Vaccination was not only encouraged it was MANDATED in every area that the government could force it including those were it didn't have the Constitutional authority to do so. They force members of the armed services, young healthy individuals to take the vaccine even though Covid poses very little harm to individuals at that age. Many have since had cardiac problems.
And so I believe this bargain to influence the election resulted in permanent harm to many Americans who needlessly were vaccinated under threat of job loss even those it was unnecessary.
How fortunate for Pizer that just as Viagra was going off patent, Covid and Joe came along.

[villager7591]

They (We) are railing against Pfizer because the vaccine did not work as advertised by the president you elected: If you get the vaccine, you can't get Covid, you can't give Covid to anyone. Pfizer, under this tag, sold hundreds of millions of doses to the US Govt.
*Now we all have this 'stuff' in our system. We were told it was safe. That's turning out to not necessarily be true for all people either.
The only organization I distrust more than Pfizer is our gov't.:doggie:

[ThirdOfFive]

Definitely need to take that source with multiple grains of salt. I'm not being political or liberal in any way, just the facts. To defend themselves against one lawsuit, Fox News argued that Tucker Carlson's rantings were for entertainment purposes and shouldn't be taken as fact. Currently, Fox News is getting some unwanted publicity as some internal emails are released showing that they didn't believe some of the statements they were making on air. Their recent track record, by their own words, doesn't look very good.
Carlson is a CONSERVATIVE COMMENTATOR, not a news broadcaster. Fox has always differentiated between the two. Anyone who believes Carlson is a commentator has one side of the ax already ground.

[oldtimes]

The only organization I distrust more than Pfizer is our gov't.:doggie:

And the media.

[Bill14564]

Carlson is a CONSERVATIVE COMMENTATOR, not a news broadcaster. Fox has always differentiated between the two. Anyone who believes Carlson is a commentator has one side of the ax already ground.

When they change the name to The Fox News and Fantasy Network or when they start putting a disclaimer that everything you are about to hear is for entertainment purposes only and does not represent News from the Fox network, THEN I'll accept that.

Note the very first sentence that started this thread.

But we'll see what the courts have to say. That excuse worked once, maybe it will work again.

[YeOldeCurmudgeon]

I watch Fox News a lot and generally respect the views of some of the hosts like Tucker Carlson or Jesse Watters. They rail against the ‘fake news’, yet almost daily condemn Pfizer as a money grubbing big bad pharmaceutical company making record profits on the back of the COVID emergency. A fake narrative!

I’ve been a Pfizer shareholder for many years. The company’s net profit in 2021, 2 years into COVID, was about the same as it was in 2017, 2 years before COVID! Their stock price today is about what it was at the end of 2018, a year before any thought of a COVID vaccine.

So where does this impression of ‘record profits’ come from? And why does the media keep portraying Pfizer as the ‘enemy’? A lot of people would be dead if all the drug companies disappeared!

Your comment is sooooo ironic.

First of all, Tucker is very partisan and has been known to be at least disingenuous if not an outright liar -- note the recent lawsuit by Dominion.

Second, the reason, the drug companies are so demonized is that they are not regulated in the U.S. We are the only advanced nation in the world that does not regulate drug prices and largely because of that, our healthcare is twice as expensive as the next highest nation and much more than that for many others.

Third, if we had Medicare for all, this would change because then the government would negotiate the price for drugs.

Fourth, in most countries commercials for pharmaceuticals are prohibited.

Fifth, the pharmaceutical industry is the richest industry in the world, its wealth outranking even the oil companies.

[Bill14564]

You never hear of Nick Sandman?

Unfortunately, yes.

I should have asked for two recent defamation lawsuits that actually have some merit under the current defamation guidelines. It is highly likely that every media source has been sued at some point. Since the question of merit has recently become a political issue, we can't discuss it here.

No media gets everything right all the time. All media is created by humans who have biases. Some media have positions that color their messages. A few go so far as to become caricatures of themselves.

[mikemalloy]

A month ago CBS announce that the Hunter Biden laptop was authentic. Really? So soon?
Do you remember NBC editing the 911 tape in the Trayvon Martin case. How about one of the networks showing us KY troop exercises and claiming it was bombardments in Syria. How does a newspaper publish false stories about Russian Collusion for 2 yrs. and get a Pulitzer for it?

[YeOldeCurmudgeon]

Interesting similarities between the CNN case and the Fox News case - opposite sides of the same coin. Could be an interesting discussion but would not last long on this board.

The corruption of the drug companies is not a political matter. It's a fact and largely the result of the lack of regulation.

There is a video on YouTube of a lecture by the former Editor-in-Chief of the New England Journal of Medicine, Dr. Marcia Angell, who goes into detail how the drug companies continually produce new drugs for the same illnesses that often have less efficacy, just so they raise the cost of them.

It's known that the drug companies will inflate the cost of life-saving drugs to increase their already obscene profits. They have no ethic; their only objective is the bottom line. But that basically is how our system operates.

Capitalism needs control; otherwise, you have unbridled capitalism, which is what we have today.

We've gone through this in the past with the Progressive era when they broke up Standard Oil and Upton Sinclair wrote the Jungle about the meatpacking industry, etc, and the Sherman Anti-Trust Act was passed to limit monopolies. Then we had the Great Depression when the capitalists had gotten out of control again and crashed our economy and the divergence between rich and poor had become obscene. And now today, once again, we have a homeless problem and tent cities, and the divergence between rich and poor is even greater than during the Great Depression.

When will we ever learn that Capitalism is a system without ethics and that it needs to be controlled because the bottom line is their only objective.

[Pennyt]

Fauci is the dude that made big bucks on Covid 19.

Fauci - a guy who devoted his life to fighting infectious diseases and was one of the most respected health scientists in the world. Yeah, right...he profited from a deadly disease.

[Regorp]

Want to play that game with all of the nonsense broadcasted on CNN, MSNBC, NBC, CBS and ABC?

I watch only Fox News, as I know they will be objective with the best informative honest guests rather than the one sided people on those other corrupted networks.

[Jokomo]

I watch only Fox News, as I know they will be objective with the best informative honest guests rather than the one sided people on those other corrupted networks.

😂😂😂

[Nellmack]

I watch only Fox News, as I know they will be objective with the best informative honest guests rather than the one sided people on those other corrupted networks.

Umm, you might want to read the text messages between all of the FOX News team leaders. They ALL admitted knowing the stolen election was a giant lie but telling the public (FOX audience) would hurt the FOX stock price. That's a pretty serious lie that helped create the Jan 6th insurrection. It's not looking good for FOX in this law suit.

[Deden]

Fake News? I guess you didn't see on the real News Owner Rupert Murdoch admitted to grand jury he Murdoch and Tucker and the rest of the Fox news is FAKE!!! That they LIED over and over and knew Trump lost!!!!!

[Deden]

Now that's Fake News! it came from Fox News! Do a Fack check!

[Deden]

Yep, right out of the owner's mouth! Rupert Murdoch!!!

[Deden]

and the openly one that admitted that they Lied! Fox New's

[Deden]

More like a LIER!!!

[Karmanng]

I watch Fox News a lot and generally respect the views of some of the hosts like Tucker Carlson or Jesse Watters. They rail against the ‘fake news’, yet almost daily condemn Pfizer as a money grubbing big bad pharmaceutical company making record profits on the back of the COVID emergency. A fake narrative!

I’ve been a Pfizer shareholder for many years. The company’s net profit in 2021, 2 years into COVID, was about the same as it was in 2017, 2 years before COVID! Their stock price today is about what it was at the end of 2018, a year before any thought of a COVID vaccine.

So where does this impression of ‘record profits’ come from? And why does the media keep portraying Pfizer as the ‘enemy’? A lot of people would be dead if all the drug companies disappeared!

The covid jab is fake...........BUT they made tons of money on it thanks to gates and fauci making the covid virus strong with moving gain of function to china and gates taking after daddy to depopulate the world. Who do these people think they are?

[Karmanng]

agree

[Karmanng]

One of the many things that bothered me about the 2020 election was the withholding of the news about the vaccine's upcoming use until after the election. I believe this along with news suppression certainly had some impact of what occurred.
In return, every effort was made by our government to sell every dose of vaccine it possible could. This effort included telling us at one point the if we took the vaccine we could not get Covid. We were also told if we took the vaccine we could not spread Covid. Vaccination was not only encouraged it was MANDATED in every area that the government could force it including those were it didn't have the Constitutional authority to do so. They force members of the armed services, young healthy individuals to take the vaccine even though Covid poses very little harm to individuals at that age. Many have since had cardiac problems.
And so I believe this bargain to influence the election resulted in permanent harm to many Americans who needlessly were vaccinated under threat of job loss even those it was unnecessary.
How fortunate for Pizer that just as Viagra was going off patent, Covid and Joe came along.


I never took the deadly jab I know of 21 people that died shortly after getting jabbed I now know of a few that have developed cancer and NOT just cancer fast forward to the stage 4rapidly my neighbor got very sick from it not once but 2 times heart issues and female problems..........other methods did work for SARS which is where this one is derived from but FRANKENFAUCI said NO..........

[lyndia5789@gmail.com]

I watch Fox News a lot and generally respect the views of some of the hosts like Tucker Carlson or Jesse Watters. They rail against the ‘fake news’, yet almost daily condemn Pfizer as a money grubbing big bad pharmaceutical company making record profits on the back of the COVID emergency. A fake narrative!

I’ve been a Pfizer shareholder for many years. The company’s net profit in 2021, 2 years into COVID, was about the same as it was in 2017, 2 years before COVID! Their stock price today is about what it was at the end of 2018, a year before any thought of a COVID vaccine.

So where does this impression of ‘record profits’ come from? And why does the media keep portraying Pfizer as the ‘enemy’? A lot of people would be dead if all the drug companies disappeared!

The answer is Fake Fox News

[Deden]

Ha, ha, ha!

[LianneMigiano]

I watch only Fox News, as I know they will be objective with the best informative honest guests rather than the one sided people on those other corrupted networks.

:bigbow::bigbow::bigbow::bigbow::bigbow::bigbow::b igbow:

[Warcats]

So now we know that FOX is a propaganda network. I could kick myself for sometimes listening to their lies. I hope they rot in hell

[Rainger99]

Fauci - a guy who devoted his life to fighting infectious diseases and was one of the most respected health scientists in the world. Yeah, right...he profited from a deadly disease.

I don't know if he profited from a deadly disease but his net worth went from $7.6 million to $12.6 million from 2019-2021.

BREAKING: Fauci’s Net Worth Soared To $12.6+ Million During Pandemic – Up $5 Million (2019-2021) (https://openthebooks.substack.com/p/breaking-faucis-net-worth-soared)

https://www.marshall.senate.gov/wp-content/uploads/Anthony-Fauci-Financial-Disclosures-for-2020-and-2019.pdf

[Two Bills]

I never took the deadly jab I know of 21 people that died shortly after getting jabbed I now know of a few that have developed cancer and NOT just cancer fast forward to the stage 4rapidly my neighbor got very sick from it not once but 2 times heart issues and female problems..........other methods did work for SARS which is where this one is derived from but FRANKENFAUCI said NO..........

You seem to have an awful lot of unfortunate acquaintances!

[mikeycereal]

you get your news from Faux News?

Stay away from windmills, they cause cancer

:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[mikeycereal]

I never took the deadly jab I know of 21 people that died shortly after getting jabbed I now know of a few that have developed cancer and NOT just cancer fast forward to the stage 4rapidly my neighbor got very sick from it not once but 2 times heart issues and female problems..........other methods did work for SARS which is where this one is derived from but FRANKENFAUCI said NO..........

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

[Annie66]

I watch only Fox News, as I know they will be objective with the best informative honest guests rather than the one sided people on those other corrupted networks.

What planet are you living on? The recent revelation by Murdock and all the internal emails, and you can still say that?

[jimjamuser]

I watch Fox News a lot and generally respect the views of some of the hosts like Tucker Carlson or Jesse Watters. They rail against the ‘fake news’, yet almost daily condemn Pfizer as a money grubbing big bad pharmaceutical company making record profits on the back of the COVID emergency. A fake narrative!

I’ve been a Pfizer shareholder for many years. The company’s net profit in 2021, 2 years into COVID, was about the same as it was in 2017, 2 years before COVID! Their stock price today is about what it was at the end of 2018, a year before any thought of a COVID vaccine.

So where does this impression of ‘record profits’ come from? And why does the media keep portraying Pfizer as the ‘enemy’? A lot of people would be dead if all the drug companies disappeared!
It was ( and still IS ) a propaganda campaign to bring in the anti-vaxxers as consistent viewers to those shows that you mentioned. The anti-s are a large group to be wooed for the sake of the advertisers ..........my pillow anyone, anyone??????

[conman5652@aol.com]

Well it seems the truth has been by-the fake news people. According to owner of fox they know were the one lying to u. It people like u that causes a country to lose their freedom because your too lazy to question why are they the only ones saying this

[PugMom]

Disclosure, I have held Pfizer stock for years, actually sold it, and all my pharma stocks BEFORE Covid. In my opinion it is not that Fox, or any other source gives opinions one way or the other (BIG distinction between and among "news reporters", and "commentators", so make sure you are not mixing up the two.) But more important, I think the various excesses of ALL the pharma companies ( if you think back you can probably bring them to mind, price increases as much at 2000% in some cases) has caused a CUMULATIVE effect on everyone, not just the "news commentators". Drug companies exist to make money, for those of us who invest in their company. As many positives as the capitalist system has, there still must be an element of "conscience". I'm sure you also remember the many past incidents of big pharma companies "dumping" ineffective treatments and medications on third world countries. It's not pretty, it's not "fair", but in the end, it all goes to the depth of integrity of the individuals involved. Most USA coal mine tragedies were eventually traced to human GREED. That might turn out to be the "root" of this latest rail tragedy too ? Be it brakes, or bearings, it may end up just another calculated money saving "risk" ! ? All this tends to "cause" the "bad mouthing" of companies like Pfizer. Also, right or wrong, the CEO is not a well liked personality, should not make a difference, but it does.

excellent post

[PugMom]

So now we know that FOX is a propaganda network. I could kick myself for sometimes listening to their lies. I hope they rot in hell

name one that's NOT propaganda. it's the same narrative, same words in every report on a given subject. i'm stopping here, or thread may be closed :popcorn:

[Retiredsteve]

I watch Fox News a lot and generally respect the views of some of the hosts like Tucker Carlson or Jesse Watters. They rail against the ‘fake news’, yet almost daily condemn Pfizer as a money grubbing big bad pharmaceutical company making record profits on the back of the COVID emergency. A fake narrative!

I’ve been a Pfizer shareholder for many years. The company’s net profit in 2021, 2 years into COVID, was about the same as it was in 2017, 2 years before COVID! Their stock price today is about what it was at the end of 2018, a year before any thought of a COVID vaccine.

So where does this impression of ‘record profits’ come from? And why does the media keep portraying Pfizer as the ‘enemy’? A lot of people would be dead if all the drug companies disappeared! yet you still listen to that media

[Vermilion Villager]

I watch Fox News a lot and generally respect the views of some of the hosts like Tucker Carlson or Jesse Watters. They rail against the ‘fake news’, yet almost daily condemn Pfizer as a money grubbing big bad pharmaceutical company making record profits on the back of the COVID emergency. A fake narrative!

I’ve been a Pfizer shareholder for many years. The company’s net profit in 2021, 2 years into COVID, was about the same as it was in 2017, 2 years before COVID! Their stock price today is about what it was at the end of 2018, a year before any thought of a COVID vaccine.

So where does this impression of ‘record profits’ come from? And why does the media keep portraying Pfizer as the ‘enemy’? A lot of people would be dead if all the drug companies disappeared! Have you ever thought about asking your news sources Tucker Carlson or Jesse Walters?????:welcome::mademyday:

[Vermilion Villager]

Want to play that game with all of the nonsense broadcasted on CNN, MSNBC, NBC, CBS and ABC?
Any day of the week..............:wave:

[Altavia]

People seen to forget when hospitals nationwide were overflowing with patients drowning on their own respiratory secretions.

Providing an environment to accelerate the research and commercialization of these vaccines provided tremondous returns to the public on the investment.

Two Years of U.S. COVID-19 Vaccines Have Prevented Millions of Hospitalizations and Deaths

Findings

From December 2020 through November 2022, we estimate that the COVID-19 vaccination program in the U.S. prevented more than 18.5 million additional hospitalizations and 3.2 million additional deaths. Without vaccination, there would have been nearly 120 million more COVID-19 infections. The vaccination program also saved the U.S. $1.15 trillion (Credible Interval: $1.10 trillion–$1.19 trillion) (data not shown) in medical costs that would otherwise have been incurred.

Two Years COVID Vaccines Prevented Millions Hospitalizations Deaths | Commonwealth Fund (https://www.commonwealthfund.org/blog/2022/two-years-covid-vaccines-prevented-millions-deaths-hospitalizations)

...

The unprecedented pace at which vaccines were developed and deployed has saved many lives and allowed for safer easing of COVID-19 restrictions and reopening of businesses, schools, and other activities. This extraordinary achievement has been possible only through sustained funding and effective policymaking that ensured vaccines were available to all Americans.

[tvbound]

What planet are you living on? The recent revelation by Murdock and all the internal emails, and you can still say that?


"What planet are you living on?"

You absolutely nailed it!!

Because he was under oath and didn't want to take the chance of lying himself, the owner of Fox admitted that he (and many of the on-air commentators, per their own private texts) were afraid that they would lose a mass number of viewers/$$$...if they actually started telling the truth.

Think about that, a huge amount of those who get their info primarily from Fox News, WANT to be lied to - rather than to hear the truth.

Simply amazing, but not exactly a big secret by now.

I suppose Murdoch could have just taken the 5th hundreds of times, instead of being honest, but at least he was willing to not lie - this time.

[Chi-Town]

Jesse Watters as one of the OP's respected commentators. Gotta love that.

[tvbound]

Jesse Watters as one of the OP's respected commentators. Gotta love that.

And Tucker Carlson is a Putin admirer, almost as much as _____________ - which explains a lot.

[rsimpson]

If Big Pharma made a single $1.00 on this vaccine, they gouged everyone. It doesn't even work. Doesn't keep you from contractign the desease, doesn't keep you from spreading Covid (LIKE THEY CLAIMED) - Vax Scam from day one.

[rogerrice60]

At least they were not hiding China's involvement in spreading Covid.
So true

[B.Kauffman]

NPR. Nothing better than National Public Radio. They’re honest & they do their research. And, they have some entertaining radio shows on the weekend.

[jimjamuser]

Yes, you’re right, EPS perked up in 2022. I was only looking at the financials through 2021, which included 2 years of COVID vaccine development. But the recent earnings report in January show much higher revenues and EPS for 2022, which is why I keep scratching my head as to why the stock price keeps going down. And why the media (not just Fox) vilifies Pfizer for getting paid to do what the government asked them for at a time everyone was so desperate.
Good post.

[jimjamuser]

The covid jab is fake...........BUT they made tons of money on it thanks to gates and fauci making the covid virus strong with moving gain of function to china and gates taking after daddy to depopulate the world. Who do these people think they are?
When someone writes "JAB" instead of SHOT or VACCINATION, I immediately KNOW to DISREGARD everything further that is SAID. it's like PROUDLY announcing an affiliation with the strange anti-vaxxers, antisocial types, and the flat-earth screamers.

[jimjamuser]

I don't know if he profited from a deadly disease but his net worth went from $7.6 million to $12.6 million from 2019-2021.

BREAKING: Fauci’s Net Worth Soared To $12.6+ Million During Pandemic – Up $5 Million (2019-2021) (https://openthebooks.substack.com/p/breaking-faucis-net-worth-soared)

https://www.marshall.senate.gov/wp-content/uploads/Anthony-Fauci-Financial-Disclosures-for-2020-and-2019.pdf
Fauci was on TV from morning to midnight during the Pandemic - I believe that guests get PAID !

[jimjamuser]

What planet are you living on? The recent revelation by Murdock and all the internal emails, and you can still say that?
The planet that believes the FRANKENFAUCI is cool and humorous. And saying "WOKE" IS SUPER COOL.

[jimjamuser]

People seen to forget when hospitals nationwide were overflowing with patients drowning on their own respiratory secretions.

Providing an environment to accelerate the research and commercialization of these vaccines provided tremondous returns to the public on the investment.

Two Years of U.S. COVID-19 Vaccines Have Prevented Millions of Hospitalizations and Deaths

Findings

From December 2020 through November 2022, we estimate that the COVID-19 vaccination program in the U.S. prevented more than 18.5 million additional hospitalizations and 3.2 million additional deaths. Without vaccination, there would have been nearly 120 million more COVID-19 infections. The vaccination program also saved the U.S. $1.15 trillion (Credible Interval: $1.10 trillion–$1.19 trillion) (data not shown) in medical costs that would otherwise have been incurred.

Two Years COVID Vaccines Prevented Millions Hospitalizations Deaths | Commonwealth Fund (https://www.commonwealthfund.org/blog/2022/two-years-covid-vaccines-prevented-millions-deaths-hospitalizations)

...

The unprecedented pace at which vaccines were developed and deployed has saved many lives and allowed for safer easing of COVID-19 restrictions and reopening of businesses, schools, and other activities. This extraordinary achievement has been possible only through sustained funding and effective policymaking that ensured vaccines were available to all Americans.
True! An excellent post.

[jimjamuser]

"What planet are you living on?"

You absolutely nailed it!!

Because he was under oath and didn't want to take the chance of lying himself, the owner of Fox admitted that he (and many of the on-air commentators, per their own private texts) were afraid that they would lose a mass number of viewers/$$$...if they actually started telling the truth.

Think about that, a huge amount of those who get their info primarily from Fox News, WANT to be lied to - rather than to hear the truth.

Simply amazing, but not exactly a big secret by now.

I suppose Murdoch could have just taken the 5th hundreds of times, instead of being honest, but at least he was willing to not lie - this time.
Rush Bimbaugh founded Propaganda USA and Foxy Views ran with the ball.

[jimjamuser]

If Big Pharma made a single $1.00 on this vaccine, they gouged everyone. It doesn't even work. Doesn't keep you from contractign the desease, doesn't keep you from spreading Covid (LIKE THEY CLAIMED) - Vax Scam from day one.
That would be 180 degrees away from REALITY.

[Dlpdo]

Fauci is the dude that made big bucks on Covid 19.

I presume you have solid facts to back up this statement ?

[Rainger99]

Fauci was on TV from morning to midnight during the Pandemic - I believe that guests get PAID !

I don’t think that is correct. The policy of news divisions at legitimate US networks prohibits payment to interview subjects.

And I think that was part of his job - to keep the public informed.

And although he “wrote” a book, he did not get any royalties.

The issue is whether Fauci received royalty payments from pharmaceutical companies. The government has failed to provide details.

[Life as I know it]

What is going on there? Murdoch admitted under oath that he knew and allowed his anchors to spread lies for the “green”.
My question is are more laws suits coming for Fox News from the people who believed the lies and acted on them on January 6th?

[mikemalloy]

I've read that Murdoch admitted that some of the stories about the 2020 election were not based on evidence. I missed it when the other networks and Pulitzer Prize winning NY Times admitted that they reported on Russian Collusion for over 2 years without any evidence.

[JMintzer]

Sure. What two defamation cases are those stations involved in? Poor research leading to inaccurate reporting is one thing, knowingly and intentionally reporting false information is another.

Also, please note I did not endorse any network.

Nick Sandman won a case against CNN...

[GizmoWhiskers]

Too bad you can't REALLY voice an opinion on this site without getting infracted... oh wait... SOME types can.

[JMintzer]

Unfortunately, yes.

I should have asked for two recent defamation lawsuits that actually have some merit under the current defamation guidelines. It is highly likely that every media source has been sued at some point. Since the question of merit has recently become a political issue, we can't discuss it here.

No media gets everything right all the time. All media is created by humans who have biases. Some media have positions that color their messages. A few go so far as to become caricatures of themselves.

No merit?

Sandman settled in his defamation suits against CNN and the WaPo (who didn't want to go to court)...

[JMintzer]

I watch only Fox News, as I know they will be objective with the best informative honest guests rather than the one sided people on those other corrupted networks.

I'll disagree with that, as well... FOX most definitely has it's own bias.

But I'll challenge anyone to find a better current news reporter than Bret Baier...

[JMintzer]

The answer is Fake Fox News

Nice 1st post!

[JMintzer]

Any day of the week..............:wave:

Do you think they are reliable, or are you agreeing with me? Not sure...

[JMintzer]

When someone writes "JAB" instead of SHOT or VACCINATION, I immediately KNOW to DISREGARD everything further that is SAID. it's like PROUDLY announcing an affiliation with the strange anti-vaxxers, antisocial types, and the flat-earth screamers.

Some of us have other methods to know when to "disregard" what is said...

[JMintzer]

True! An excellent post.

No, it's neither true, nor excellent...

[JMintzer]

Rush Bimbaugh founded Propaganda USA and Foxy Views ran with the ball.

Calling people insulting names is now okay?

[JMintzer]

I presume you have solid facts to back up this statement ?

Fauci’s Net Worth Nearly Doubled during Pandemic | National Review (https://www.nationalreview.com/news/faucis-net-worth-nearly-doubled-during-pandemic/)

[Altavia]

No, it's neither true, nor excellent...

Really?

Of 1 million COVID deaths, how many could have been averted with vaccines? : Shots - Health News : NPR (https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2022/05/13/1098071284/this-is-how-many-lives-could-have-been-saved-with-covid-vaccinations-in-each-sta)

One tragic fact about the nearly 1 million people who died of COVID-19 in the U.S. is that a huge share of them didn't have to.

In Tennessee, 11,047 of the people who died could have survived if everyone in the state had gotten vaccinated. In Ohio, that number is 15,875. Nationally it's nearly 319,000, according a new estimate.


https://globalepidemics.org/vaccinations/

... between January 2021 and April 2022, vaccines could have prevented at least 318,000 Covid-19 deaths. This means that at least every second person who died from Covid-19 since vaccines became available might have been saved by getting the shot.

[Lindaws]

Why did Fauci get royalties from them?

[MandoMan]

Disclosure, I have held Pfizer stock for years, actually sold it, and all my pharma stocks BEFORE Covid. In my opinion it is not that Fox, or any other source gives opinions one way or the other (BIG distinction between and among "news reporters", and "commentators", so make sure you are not mixing up the two.) But more important, I think the various excesses of ALL the pharma companies ( if you think back you can probably bring them to mind, price increases as much at 2000% in some cases) has caused a CUMULATIVE effect on everyone, not just the "news commentators". Drug companies exist to make money, for those of us who invest in their company. As many positives as the capitalist system has, there still must be an element of "conscience". I'm sure you also remember the many past incidents of big pharma companies "dumping" ineffective treatments and medications on third world countries. It's not pretty, it's not "fair", but in the end, it all goes to the depth of integrity of the individuals involved. Most USA coal mine tragedies were eventually traced to human GREED. That might turn out to be the "root" of this latest rail tragedy too ? Be it brakes, or bearings, it may end up just another calculated money saving "risk" ! ? All this tends to "cause" the "bad mouthing" of companies like Pfizer. Also, right or wrong, the CEO is not a well liked personality, should not make a difference, but it does.

Well said. Big Pharma (and medical equipment companies) make huge profits, unconscionable profits, but they provide products that keep us alive, so we benefit. Meanwhile, all those profits get paid out to investors, and I’m an investor, through mutual funds. So I rail against prices that put money in my pocket. It’s corporate greed, yes, but I don’t feel at all greedy. It’s weird. However, a lot of the greed works because of lobbyists who get in to see our legislators, both blue and red, who receive “donations” in exchange for votes. The legislators do what is good for the company profits rather than what is good for the people. Oh, wait! I’m the company! And I’m also the people! Legislation to rein in the drug companies helps me the people and hurts me the company. But if I sold my shares in greedy companies, I would pay the same to them but not get part of my money back through profits. What are we to do? Invest in companies that price their products to make a maximum of 10% profit on every item?

[Andyb]

I watch Fox News a lot and generally respect the views of some of the hosts like Tucker Carlson or Jesse Watters. They rail against the ‘fake news’, yet almost daily condemn Pfizer as a money grubbing big bad pharmaceutical company making record profits on the back of the COVID emergency. A fake narrative!

I’ve been a Pfizer shareholder for many years. The company’s net profit in 2021, 2 years into COVID, was about the same as it was in 2017, 2 years before COVID! Their stock price today is about what it was at the end of 2018, a year before any thought of a COVID vaccine.

So where does this impression of ‘record profits’ come from? And why does the media keep portraying Pfizer as the ‘enemy’? A lot of people would be dead if all the drug companies disappeared!

Sorry, I can not reply due to being censored and banned from this site. One fact about Pfizer stock, is that it is the number one stock held by our current politicians. I would hold it?

[Bill14564]

No merit?

Sandman settled in his defamation suits against CNN and the WaPo (who didn't want to go to court)...

Contrary to what you hear on Judge Judy, the reality is that it is sometimes more prudent to settle a lawsuit than to defend yourself against one. Sandman had my sympathy right up to the point he decided to profit off his 15 minutes.

The difference I see between Sandman and Fox News is there was no accusation that CNN, WaPo, or others knew and discussed the inaccuracy in their reporting then chose to air it anyway. You can (Sandman did) accuse them of not fully researching the story. You can accuse them of jumping to conclusions and airing the story as quickly as possible to get as much attention as possible. But I've not heard anyone accuse them of knowingly disregarding facts to pander to a demographic. On the other hand, it turns out that is what Fox News was doing.

I can understand a company making a mistake; too many mistakes and they will lose credibility. When a company is caught spreading information they know is not true, when their internal discussions show they knew it was not true but broadcast it anyway, they have lost credibility as a "News" source.

[mikemalloy]

Contrary to what you hear on Judge Judy, the reality is that it is sometimes more prudent to settle a lawsuit than to defend yourself against one. Sandman had my sympathy right up to the point he decided to profit off his 15 minutes.

The difference I see between Sandman and Fox News is there was no accusation that CNN, WaPo, or others knew and discussed the inaccuracy in their reporting then chose to air it anyway. You can (Sandman did) accuse them of not fully researching the story. You can accuse them of jumping to conclusions and airing the story as quickly as possible to get as much attention as possible. But I've not heard anyone accuse them of knowingly disregarding facts to pander to a demographic. On the other hand, it turns out that is what Fox News was doing.

I can understand a company making a mistake; too many mistakes and they will lose credibility. When a company is caught spreading information they know is not true, when their internal discussions show they knew it was not true but broadcast it anyway, they have lost credibility as a "News" source.
Another reason to settle quickly is to avoid discovery where under oath you have to disclose what you actually knew and what your objectives were. And that's why you've " not heard anyone accuse them of knowingly disregarding facts to pander to a demographic."
And he more than profited with the suit, he showed what biased, nasty liars they were and hopefully taught them a lesson.

[oldtimes]

Some of us have other methods to know when to "disregard" what is said...

Bazinga!

[Bill14564]

Another reason to settle quickly is to avoid discovery where under oath you have to disclose what you actually knew and what your objectives were. And that's why you've " not heard anyone accuse them of knowingly disregarding facts to pander to a demographic."
And he more than profited with the suit, he showed what biased, nasty liars they were and hopefully taught them a lesson.

He didn't show that at all; all he showed was that they didn't want to go through the lawsuit.

As it turns out, they drew the wrong conclusion in their initial reporting. So did most of the people who viewed the video. They should have done better, they should have waited for more of the fact. So should most of the people who viewed the video.

Did they say something that was not true? Yes. Does that make them a liar? Technically, yes. Is jumping to a false conclusion the same as intentionally reporting something you know to be untrue? Not in my book. I have made many mistakes but thankfully I don't have anyone around me to shout, "liar," every time.

[Vermilion Villager]

Do you think they are reliable, or are you agreeing with me? Not sure...

Yes.....and NO!!!!

[Whitley]

At least they were not hiding China's involvement in spreading Covid.

Was Fox one of the outlets that lied about the Hunter Biden LapTop? or The Wuhan Lab Leak?

[Whitley]

Fauci was on TV from morning to midnight during the Pandemic - I believe that guests get PAID !

Amazing that anyone can believe Fauci's huge increase in wealth came from paid TV appearances. This article in Forbes is very enlightening and described how Faucis almost 400 appearances COSt the taxpayers millions.
Dr. Anthony Fauci’s 400+ Media Events Cost Taxpayers During The Pandemic (https://www.forbes.com/sites/adamandrzejewski/2021/06/15/dr-anthony-faucis-400-media-events-cost-taxpayers-during-the-pandemic/?sh=27b28f4912c3)

[Whitley]

Rush Bimbaugh founded Propaganda USA and Foxy Views ran with the ball.

When I hear someone say Bimbaugh and Foxy I immediately give them no credibility. Using such childish names when discussing a serious matter. Shameful. Do better.

[MrLonzo]

...Meanwhile, all those profits get paid out to investors

Really? I've invested in Pfizer stock for 20+ years. A lot of those profits get poured back into R&D or marketing, and who knows where else, but it's not going to investors. I get the dividend checks, but the stock price is going nowhere! Right now, it's not even keeping up with inflation. It's been a horrible investment! 20 years ago you could throw darts and pick any technology stock that ultimately ended up with capital appreciation that defines a PFE investment as nothing more than a long-term CD.

[Whitley]

Too bad you can't REALLY voice an opinion on this site without getting infracted... oh wait... SOME types can.

Have you noticed that too?

[Whitley]

Some people have wrapped up so much of who they are in virtue signaling, that they are unable to admit they were wrong when presented with facts.

We now know that masks do little to nothing to prevent the spread. There were people on this site calling for death by neglect to anyone who would not comply. We now know that natural immunity is as strong, and most probably stronger that the vax regiment. We know now that covid deaths were overstated. We now know that lockdowns caused more harm than any benefit they MAY have had. It was so easy for some (on this site) to scream for the economy to be shut down, not caring about a young family being unable to pay for their shelter, childrens' school, and even health insurance and food. Of course these same people squealed when asked if they would agree not to get their SS checks during the lockdowns. We now know that there are excessive non covid deaths in all countries where the vaccine was pushed. We now know that the virus most likely came from the wuhan lab, the lab that fauci was a proponent to fund with US money. With all of the lies coming out, there are still some (even on this site) who will squeal to to the end that they were right. I guess when you wrap up your entire being into what has proven to be a farce it hurts to admit you were a stooge.

[boblexsue]

Here you go again saying that those channels are not objective.:wave:

No one lies more on tv than the nigh time hosts on Fox. They now admit they lied about the election for trump only for ratings ! They didn't believe a word they were saying.

[askcarl]

Fauci is the dude that made big bucks on Covid 19.

Yup, every Gov Leech is retiring on the Beach in Miami. F'ing Doctors... totally useless.

Fact check that on FOXed Newz.

[Bill14564]

Some people have wrapped up so much of who they are in virtue signaling, that they are unable to admit they were wrong when presented with facts.

We now know that masks do little to nothing to prevent the spread. There were people on this site calling for death by neglect to anyone who would not comply. We now know that natural immunity is as strong, and most probably stronger that the vax regiment. We know now that covid deaths were overstated. We now know that lockdowns caused more harm than any benefit they MAY have had. It was so easy for some (on this site) to scream for the economy to be shut down, not caring about a young family being unable to pay for their shelter, childrens' school, and even health insurance and food. Of course these same people squealed when asked if they would agree not to get their SS checks during the lockdowns. We now know that there are excessive non covid deaths in all countries where the vaccine was pushed. We now know that the virus most likely came from the wuhan lab, the lab that fauci was a proponent to fund with US money. With all of the lies coming out, there are still some (even on this site) who will squeal to to the end that they were right. I guess when you wrap up your entire being into what has proven to be a farce it hurts to admit you were a stooge.

Except we truly "know" almost none of those things. Some emphatically assert those things and grasp at any new announcement as proof of their assertion. Most often they ignore the qualifications and specific conditions provided with those announcements.

For example, masks, used appropriately, *do* help to prevent the spread of viruses. Masking as exercised in the US during the pandemic was doomed to failure. That is not the failure of the mask, it is the failure of the US population. The study I read on the lockdowns made the same point - the way the US population performed the lockdown there wasn't a chance for it to be effective. The specific conditions make a difference.

The sun rises in the east is a lie for most of the year. On only two days of the year does it rise in due east and at the poles it may not rise at all. On the other hand, saying the earth rotates west to east and so sunrise, if it happens, is in the eastern half of the sky is more precise.

There is a difference between a lie with intent to deceive, a mistake, and an answer lacking details. The "lie" label is applied far too often when the real issue is inconvenient details.

[Whitley]

No one lies more on tv than the nigh time hosts on Fox. They now admit they lied about the election for trump only for ratings ! They didn't believe a word they were saying.

Can you PLEASE send me a link to fox saying that. I believe you, I just would like to be able to back it up when I tell someone. Thanks.

[Two Bills]

Some people have wrapped up so much of who they are in virtue signaling, that they are unable to admit they were wrong when presented with facts.

We now know that masks do little to nothing to prevent the spread. There were people on this site calling for death by neglect to anyone who would not comply. We now know that natural immunity is as strong, and most probably stronger that the vax regiment. We know now that covid deaths were overstated. We now know that lockdowns caused more harm than any benefit they MAY have had. It was so easy for some (on this site) to scream for the economy to be shut down, not caring about a young family being unable to pay for their shelter, childrens' school, and even health insurance and food. Of course these same people squealed when asked if they would agree not to get their SS checks during the lockdowns. We now know that there are excessive non covid deaths in all countries where the vaccine was pushed. We now know that the virus most likely came from the wuhan lab, the lab that fauci was a proponent to fund with US money. With all of the lies coming out, there are still some (even on this site) who will squeal to to the end that they were right. I guess when you wrap up your entire being into what has proven to be a farce it hurts to admit you were a stooge.

........and 20-20 hindsight is a wonderful thing!

[JMintzer]

Really?

Of 1 million COVID deaths, how many could have been averted with vaccines? : Shots - Health News : NPR (https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2022/05/13/1098071284/this-is-how-many-lives-could-have-been-saved-with-covid-vaccinations-in-each-sta)

One tragic fact about the nearly 1 million people who died of COVID-19 in the U.S. is that a huge share of them didn't have to.

In Tennessee, 11,047 of the people who died could have survived if everyone in the state had gotten vaccinated. In Ohio, that number is 15,875. Nationally it's nearly 319,000, according a new estimate.


https://globalepidemics.org/vaccinations/

... between January 2021 and April 2022, vaccines could have prevented at least 318,000 Covid-19 deaths. This means that at least every second person who died from Covid-19 since vaccines became available might have been saved by getting the shot.


You forgot the "could have" been averted... and "could have prevented"... and "might have" been saved.... It's a guess...

And no, hospitals were not overrun by patients "drowning in their own respiratory secretions"...

In NYC, they spent $Billions on readying a hospital ship and a New Covid Tent facility. Neither were needed.

In DC, where I work, as well as Suburban MD & VA, the local hospitals had plenty of beds available...

[JMintzer]

The difference I see between Sandman and Fox News is there was no accusation that CNN, WaPo, or others knew and discussed the inaccuracy in their reporting then chose to air it anyway. You can (Sandman did) accuse them of not fully researching the story. You can accuse them of jumping to conclusions and airing the story as quickly as possible to get as much attention as possible. But I've not heard anyone accuse them of knowingly disregarding facts to pander to a demographic. On the other hand, it turns out that is what Fox News was doing.

Incorrect. There was ample evidence they were wrong, yet they continued to go with their preferred narrative. THAT was the problem...

The truth came out within 48 hrs, yet they continued to attack hime for well over a week...

I can understand a company making a mistake; too many mistakes and they will lose credibility. When a company is caught spreading information they know is not true, when their internal discussions show they knew it was not true but broadcast it anyway, they have lost credibility as a "News" source.

They knew it was not true within 2 days... Yet they kept attacking him...

[JMintzer]

Yes.....and NO!!!!

Well, in that case... :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[tvbound]

Can you PLEASE send me a link to fox saying that. I believe you, I just would like to be able to back it up when I tell someone. Thanks.

"Can you PLEASE send me a link to fox saying that. I believe you, I just would like to be able to back it up when I tell someone. Thanks."


Murdoch acknowledges some Fox hosts ‘endorsed’ false election claims | PBS NewsHour (https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/murdoch-acknowledges-some-fox-hosts-endorsed-false-election-claims)


Fox hosts didn't believe Trump election fraud claims, text messages in Dominion's lawsuit show (https://news.yahoo.com/fox-news-dominion-defamation-lawsuit-tucker-carlson-hannity-ingraham-text-messages-222445711.html)


You're welcome, in helping you spread facts and the truth.

[Altavia]

You forgot the "could have" been averted... and "could have prevented"... and "might have" been saved.... It's a guess...

And no, hospitals were not overrun by patients "drowning in their own respiratory secretions"...

In NYC, they spent $Billions on readying a hospital ship and a New Covid Tent facility. Neither were needed.

In DC, where I work, as well as Suburban MD & VA, the local hospitals had plenty of beds available...

How NY hospital faced COVID devastation and came back from the brink - ABC News (https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Health/ny-hospital-faced-covid-devastation-back-brink/story?id=76638912)

Elmhurst had a patient roster that was over 230% capacity during the last week of February and the first week of March of 2020. Nearly all of those patients were critically ill with COVID-19. Within those walls, essential workers were overwhelmed with treating these patients. Staff witnessed extensive devastation as well as hundreds of lives lost.

[Altavia]

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[OhioBuckeye]

I thought I heard somewhere that Pfizer was ripping people off & I listen to Fox News too. Didn’t hear this on CNN but that didn’t surprise me! Correct me if I’m wrong, but I’m sure I heard this?

[JMintzer]

How NY hospital faced COVID devastation and came back from the brink - ABC News (https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Health/ny-hospital-faced-covid-devastation-back-brink/story?id=76638912)

Elmhurst had a patient roster that was over 230% capacity during the last week of February and the first week of March of 2020. Nearly all of those patients were critically ill with COVID-19. Within those walls, essential workers were overwhelmed with treating these patients. Staff witnessed extensive devastation as well as hundreds of lives lost.

One hospital...

Unfortunately, treating patients improperly (they didn't know better at the time)...

That was NOT the norm...

Hospitals were reporting ICUs at 90% capacity, as if that was some sort of an emergency.

ICUs are supposed to operate near capacity. The expand and contract beds, based on need. It is foolish to keep all ICU beds staffed at 20% use. It's is not cost effective.

[YeOldeCurmudgeon]

If Big Pharma made a single $1.00 on this vaccine, they gouged everyone. It doesn't even work. Doesn't keep you from contractign the desease, doesn't keep you from spreading Covid (LIKE THEY CLAIMED) - Vax Scam from day one.

Not the stats I saw. If what you say is true, then CDC was lying.

[PhillySpecial]

I watch Fox News a lot and generally respect the views of some of the hosts like Tucker Carlson or Jesse Watters. They rail against the ‘fake news’, yet almost daily condemn Pfizer as a money grubbing big bad pharmaceutical company making record profits on the back of the COVID emergency. A fake narrative!

I’ve been a Pfizer shareholder for many years. The company’s net profit in 2021, 2 years into COVID, was about the same as it was in 2017, 2 years before COVID! Their stock price today is about what it was at the end of 2018, a year before any thought of a COVID vaccine.

So where does this impression of ‘record profits’ come from? And why does the media keep portraying Pfizer as the ‘enemy’? A lot of people would be dead if all the drug companies disappeared!
Is Fox also railing against the profits oil companies made in 2022 since some of the evening opinion hosts blamed the Biden administration for high gas prices?

Five major oil companies have reported their 2022 profits, smashing last year’s highs:
Exxon: $55.7 billion — setting a company record and bringing in $6.3 million an hour
Chevron: $36.5 billion – doubling their 2021 profits, with executives touting their “outstanding results” in an earnings call
Marathon: $14.5 billion — Q4 profit of $3.32 billion surged 331% from previous year
Valero: $11.6 billion – 866% higher than the previous year
Phillips 66: $11 billion — Q4 profit of $1.9 billion up 46% over Q4 2021

[coffeebean]

Can you PLEASE send me a link to fox saying that. I believe you, I just would like to be able to back it up when I tell someone. Thanks.

Easy peasy with one very quick Google search..........

Rupert Murdoch admits Fox News hosts endorsed election lies - CBS News (https://www.cbsnews.com/video/rupert-murdoch-admits-some-fox-news-hosts-endorsed-false-election-lies/)

[nn0wheremann]

I watch Fox News a lot and generally respect the views of some of the hosts like Tucker Carlson or Jesse Watters. They rail against the ‘fake news’, yet almost daily condemn Pfizer as a money grubbing big bad pharmaceutical company making record profits on the back of the COVID emergency. A fake narrative!

I’ve been a Pfizer shareholder for many years. The company’s net profit in 2021, 2 years into COVID, was about the same as it was in 2017, 2 years before COVID! Their stock price today is about what it was at the end of 2018, a year before any thought of a COVID vaccine.

So where does this impression of ‘record profits’ come from? And why does the media keep portraying Pfizer as the ‘enemy’? A lot of people would be dead if all the drug companies disappeared!
Faux News is not journalism it is entertainment. Tuckerboy thinks you want to be outraged about Covid, so that is the fiction he presents to you

[tvbound]

Faux News is not journalism it is entertainment. Tuckerboy thinks you want to be outraged about Covid, so that is the fiction he presents to you


"Faux News is not journalism it is entertainment."



Dangerous and harmful "entertainment."

Faux News caters to (and makes a lot of money off of) the gullible/not-real-bright, who want to be lied to, refuse to watch/read legitimate news sources - so their personal outrage/hatred/prejudices can be stoked.

[Caymus]

Anything that upsets the left is good.

[JMintzer]

Faux News is not journalism it is entertainment. Tuckerboy thinks you want to be outraged about Covid, so that is the fiction he presents to you

Faux News! Everybody drink!

Insults and name calling really help your point...

[JMintzer]

"Faux News is not journalism it is entertainment."



Dangerous and harmful "entertainment."

Faux News caters to (and makes a lot of money off of) the gullible/not-real-bright, who want to be lied to, refuse to watch/read legitimate news sources - so their personal outrage/hatred/prejudices can be stoked.

You spelled "CNN/MSNBC" wrong...

I could call you names, but I won't... It seems to be your "go to"...

But pray tell... What are the "legitimate" news sources that YOU watch?

[Pairadocs]

Fauci is the dude that made big bucks on Covid 19.

No one was alone in this, Albert B. is very share holder driven, if you've owned (or now own) Pfizer stock, you probably do some research into a CEO, try to get a "feel" for their priorities. Then let's remember we had a president in that circle Pushing for a scheme for "how we can make unimaginable amounts of money". Fauci was already known to be open to "dealing", so, sure, it's pure capitalism, only this had the added punch by cutting in the president, and a government "scientist" (who makes even more money than the president or vice president) so we all should know how these things go. Then the other 50% of this equation is customers. No matter what is offered for sale, you have to have a willing and motivated customer base ! Throw in government (tax payer) funds, health insurance payments, and a customer base frantic to get as many shots as they could as soon as possible, and you have the recipe for big bucks. Difficult now to think back how people nearly "fought" to get as many shots and boosters as they were allowed. The fact the president had absolved Pfizer of all possible legal actions (since the drug was, for all practical purposes, untested and unproved except for a very short hurried "trial", so again you have a perfect scenario for making a LOT of money ! When that makes me angry, I stop and think of the alternative, a system where ONLY the government manufactures and controls all drugs ! ? Pick you evil I guess !

[Pairadocs]

Faux News is not journalism it is entertainment. Tuckerboy thinks you want to be outraged about Covid, so that is the fiction he presents to you

Good grief, Fox news, or Tucker Carlson, or ANY commentator aside, don't you think the whole Covid period has more than enough to be outraged about even if Fox News, Carlson, etc. didn't even exist ? ? Paper and cotton quilting material "masks" with your favorite MLB, NFL, or alma mater, or Disney character to "filter out" a VIRUS ? Then, well no, but two masks, one on top of the other will do it, then shots that will keep you "safe" from infection, then, well, not really, but, they do keep you from giving infection to others, then well, no that's really not true but they do keep you from dying (finally something solid because...it can never be proved, all of us who caught Covid could then say, well we WOULD have died.. and no one can say a word to refute it, convenient, especially for Pfizer and crew.

[Pairadocs]

Faux News is not journalism it is entertainment. Tuckerboy thinks you want to be outraged about Covid, so that is the fiction he presents to you

So the more important question, why do you even watch it ??? I watch it sometimes because I KNOW those are opinion shows, commentators, same on all the other networks. When I watch "news", it's a surfing night for me, my fascination is how the "same" story is not even recognizable from network to network. It's a shame really, we (the people) are really in such a dangerous time, we have no source of actual news reporting, it's all for $$$, to be as entertaining as possible and bring in the "big bucks" !

[kkimball]

Tell me about a news source that is actually objective these days

Not that anyone will pay attention, but (mostly) non-biased news sources do exist.

Check out AllSides dot com. They have a comprehensive rating system for bias and fact-checking and display news stories with center, left, and right leaning reporting together.

Unsurprisingly, Fox is far right, and CNN is sadly now far left. There is no money in centrist reporting anymore.

[swooner]

I watch Fox News a lot and generally respect the views of some of the hosts like Tucker Carlson or Jesse Watters. They rail against the ‘fake news’, yet almost daily condemn Pfizer as a money grubbing big bad pharmaceutical company making record profits on the back of the COVID emergency. A fake narrative!

I’ve been a Pfizer shareholder for many years. The company’s net profit in 2021, 2 years into COVID, was about the same as it was in 2017, 2 years before COVID! Their stock price today is about what it was at the end of 2018, a year before any thought of a COVID vaccine.

So where does this impression of ‘record profits’ come from? And why does the media keep portraying Pfizer as the ‘enemy’? A lot of people would be dead if all the drug companies disappeared!
If Fox News says it you can bet it’s a lie!

[JMintzer]

If Fox News says it you can bet it’s a lie!

Everybody Drink!