LIV Golf

[Bay Kid]

I saw a little bit of LIV golf. Very different feeling. Short pants, loud music and good golf. I couldn't find the next round.

[BrianL99]

I saw a little bit of LIV golf. Very different feeling. Short pants, loud music and good golf. I couldn't find the next round.


LIV Boston was at a Club I used to manage. I've never seen golf fans have as much fun at a tournament, as they did at that event ... except maybe, the Waste Management event.

LIV did a spectacular job of putting on the tournament.

[villager7591]

I am a regular PGA and LPGA tours watcher. I found the LIV event last week on the CW almost unwatchable.

[Babubhat]

Tour stop coming to Orange County national soon. Too crass for me.

[Eagle06]

We are attending the upcoming LIV Tour Event in Orlando. We love the format.

[JP]

No thanks. Not for me.

[Gpsma]

But do they wear collared shirts?

Old PGA watching fogies better embrace the NEW golf.

[Tvflguy]

IMO too much glitz, graphics, yada yada yada from the know it all’s, the side scores are OK but not comprehensive. I may grow into it, but I guess I’m a traditionalist at heart. The younger set will prob love it and that is LIVs target.

[UpNorth]

Everybody gets paid, no cuts, no pressure. In spite of the WWF type promotion, I find it annoying and boring. But all the defectors are making boatloads of cash. The Saudis have plenty of money to burn, so expect to see it around for awhile. Viewership for the round last week on the CW network was poor compared to the Honda with a weak field. Something like 250,000 viewers compared to 2.5 million for the Honda.

[BrianL99]

Something like 250,000 viewers compared to 2.5 million for the Honda.

Not exactly. You were reading Fake News earlier in the week.

si.com (https://www.si.com/golf/news/liv-golf-reports-surprising-tv-rating-for-first-event-on-cw-network)

LIV Golf’s Weekend Viewership Levels Were Definitely In The Rough – Deadline (https://deadline.com/2023/03/liv-golf-opening-weekend-viewership-levels-ratings-1235276267/)

[Rwirish]

Not what golf should be imo. Watched a bit of it and it was unwatchable. Last time I will even watch a minute of it. Just an awful product.

[Bay Kid]

It did seem like watching a bunch of good old boys on a golf trip. Amazed they weren't having a beer and riding in a cart.

[grayesun]

Watched every minute of LIV golf since it started. Being an avid golf fan for many years, particularly Ryder & President's Cup tourneys and "match/team play" format - I find LIV golf much more exciting and fun to watch. Started watching Bay Hill Thursday, a good part of the field was already done for the day as usual with 8 hours of golf play format. The shotgun start for LIV gets everybody out together for a 4 hour golf event. Party/music atmosphere gets loud on holes near the clubhouse, looking forward to attending upcoming event at Orange County National - and good times!

[RUCdaze]

I really want to see a LIV match. When is it coming to Orlando, and will any of it be on TV? What station carries it?

[Cheapbas]

I saw a little bit of LIV golf. Very different feeling. Short pants, loud music and good golf. I couldn't find the next round.

They are dead to me. I Completely ignore.

[Marathon Man]

I have not watched any LIV. But based on some of the comments here, I will definitely give it a try. I stopped watching PGA a few years back. It just seemed to repeat itself week after week. Maybe LIV has found a way to make it fresh and exciting again. I suspect, just like Superbowl halftime shows, TV residents are not the target audience, and they are looking for long time viewership from younger folks.

[ithos]

It did seem like watching a bunch of good old boys on a golf trip. Amazed they weren't having a beer and riding in a cart.

In other words it is much less boring to watch unless you are golf purist.

It's Official - Golf Is Now The World's Most Boring Game (https://www.menshealth.com/uk/fitness/a758213/its-official-golf-is-now-the-worlds-most-boring-game/#:~:text=A%20poll%20of%202%2C000%20adults,bridge%2 0all%20pushed%20golf%20hard).

[SHIBUMI]

Liv Golf is like Caddyshack 2 and 3............nothing like the original....if you are going to Orange County to watch, you may be better off going to the circus...........

[BrianL99]

Liv Golf is like Caddyshack 2 and 3............nothing like the original....if you are going to Orange County to watch, you may be better off going to the circus...........


All you folks saying the LIV events are this, that or the other thing ... have you been to one?

You shouldn't be making assumptions on what you read in GolfWeek.

The LIV Tour events put PGA events to shame, as a "family outing". There are games & challenges for kids of all ages. There's music, food and entertainment. The crowds are smaller and there's an opportunity to get up close and personal with the players.

ALL the players are in the practices areas, at the same time, due to the Shotgun Start. There's no waiting around for 4 hours to see your favorite, who may have a 2:30 pm Tee Time. There's no sitting around to the last minute, to see who wins ... it all happens in real time.

Way too many folks out there, have delusions about what golf is and how they relate to it. The vast majority of fans at a PGA Tournament, have never broken 100 in their lives, but they think by watching some PGA Tour player take 15 minutes to hit a putt, they'll improve their game.

People seem to think that "quiet" is necessary, for the greatest golfers in the world, to ply their trade. The WasteManagement Open began to change that and LIV golf is taking it another step.

Go to a LIV event and you'll see what golf for the masses is like. Have a few beers, wear cut off jeans and a T-Shirt and have some fun. Trust me, one LIV event and you won't ever go to a PGA Tour event again, unless it's a Major.

[grayesun]

I really want to see a LIV match. When is it coming to Orlando, and will any of it be on TV? What station carries it?

LIV Golf at Orange County National (Crooked Cat course) from 3/31-4/2/23; coverage on TV on The CW channel. Matches are played Friday, Saturday & Sunday (54 holes total), shotgun starts every day around 1PM.

More Info: Welcome to LIV Golf | LIV Golf (https://www.livgolf.com/)

[SHIBUMI]

How much did LIV Golf donate to Local Charities when at the International. How much did they pay the course to use it. It is a great venue for has beens and wanna be's. I am happy for all the new millionaires........but..........I would rather watch the competition golf and not social golf......

The Netflix series on the Full Swing brought this to light. The over the hill guys, bless them, have a place to go, no more pressure, they can now play Happy Golf, and make more, bless them. They cannot be blamed for taking the money.........just don't make it sound like its the same...
Like I said, a lot of people enjoy a circus atmosphere..........


All you folks saying the LIV events are this, that or the other thing ... have you been to one?

You shouldn't be making assumptions on what you read in GolfWeek.

The LIV Tour events put PGA events to shame, as a "family outing". There are games & challenges for kids of all ages. There's music, food and entertainment. The crowds are smaller and there's an opportunity to get up close and personal with the players.

ALL the players are in the practices areas, at the same time, due to the Shotgun Start. There's no waiting around for 4 hours to see your favorite, who may have a 2:30 pm Tee Time. There's no sitting around to the last minute, to see who wins ... it all happens in real time.

Way too many folks out there, have delusions about what golf is and how they relate to it. The vast majority of fans at a PGA Tournament, have never broken 100 in their lives, but they think by watching some PGA Tour player take 15 minutes to hit a putt, they'll improve their game.

People seem to think that "quiet" is necessary, for the greatest golfers in the world, to ply their trade. The WasteManagement Open began to change that and LIV golf is taking it another step.

Go to a LIV event and you'll see what golf for the masses is like. Have a few beers, wear cut off jeans and a T-Shirt and have some fun. Trust me, one LIV event and you won't ever go to a PGA Tour event again, unless it's a Major.

[karostay]

Golf has become woke......
New breed, money money money no regard for tradition

[Babubhat]

Koran Ferry tour more interesting. Don’t cash, don’t eat. The way it should be

[SHIBUMI]

The problem with golf is the coverage. The British stations do a better job and focus on shots and swings and interesting stuff. American coverage has too much chatter and not enough swing analysis. And Brandell Chamblee needs to stop pontificating, he is the boring one not the game. Big changes needed in coverage to make the game not about chatter and about analysis. Imagine a football game announcer just pontificating...change the channel

Golf has become woke......
New breed, money money money no regard for tradition

[ithos]

This discussion kind of reminds me of one of my favorite movies.

[eyc234]

Golf has become woke......
New breed, money money money no regard for tradition

:bigbow: Absolutely, everyone gets a trophy, make all the players feel good about themselves, it is not whether you win just play with no pressure to be the best, you can go to work in anything you want if it makes you feel good and on and on.

[BrianL99]

The problem with golf is the coverage. ... American coverage has too much chatter and not enough swing analysis ... Brandell Chamblee needs to stop pontificating, he is the boring one not the game. Big changes needed in coverage to make the game not about chatter and about analysis. Imagine a football game announcer just pontificating...change the channel

CBS lead analysts are: Trevor Immelman and Ian Baker-Finch

NBS lead analyst is: Paul Azinger

NBC/Golf Channel's lead analyst is: John Cook

Brandell Chamblee is a "studio analyst" who generally doesn't cover golf tournaments. He's sitting in a studio, offering analysis for a niche TV network, whose sole purpose in life, is to provide fodder for TV Golf Junkies.


When the BBC broadcast The Open Championship, it was like "watching golf on the radio".

[pdp07]

Golf has become woke......
New breed, money money money no regard for tradition

How much tradition paid your bills while you were raising your family?

[pdp07]

PGA tour players owe LIV big time...PGA tournament prize money has increased substantially. All players get paid something, not just those that make the cut. 48 players going to LIV have made room for the bottom 48 players that would not even be on the tour.
LIV is a breath of fresh air. It was good seeing some of the best players in the world having fun and being with their families. I will definitely will watch future events.

[Marathon Man]

How much tradition paid your bills while you were raising your family?

:BigApplause:

[dewilson58]

I will definitely will watch future events.

As will I.
There are players I enjoy watching.
The graphics and team scoring is different, but not a deterrent.

[JoMar]

So Cameron Smith, Phil Michelson, Dustin Johnson, Bryson DeChambeau, Brooks Koepka are all eligible to play in all the majors. In addition, the Masters will also have Sergio Garcia, Patrick Reed, Henrik Stenson, Bubba Watson, Carl Schwartzel, Louis Oosthuizen. Not exactly the over the hill gang. Add the fact the PGA is adopting some of LIV's strategies and it shows what happens when a monopoly runs into competition. It's now fun to watch McEilroy walk back some of his comments and how quiet Tiger has been. There is a market for both and why it has become a battle and why we are expected to take sides is way beyond me.

[JMintzer]

So Cameron Smith, Phil Michelson, Dustin Johnson, Bryson DeChambeau, Brooks Koepka are all eligible to play in all the majors. In addition, the Masters will also have Sergio Garcia, Patrick Reed, Henrik Stenson, Bubba Watson, Carl Schwartzel, Louis Oosthuizen. Not exactly the over the hill gang. Add the fact the PGA is adopting some of LIV's strategies and it shows what happens when a monopoly runs into competition. It's now fun to watch McEilroy walk back some of his comments and how quiet Tiger has been. There is a market for both and why it has become a battle and why we are expected to take sides is way beyond me.

Yes, SOME LIV players will be able to play in the majors... But the number is WAAAY lower than last year...

LIV golfers can still play in majors but the number who are eligible may surprise you | Golf News and Tour Information | GolfDigest.com (https://www.golfdigest.com/story/liv-golfers-can-still-play-major-but-number-eligible-may-surprise-you#:~:text=MAJOR%20ELIGIBILITY-,LIV%20golfers%20can%20still%20play%20in%20majors% 20but%20the,are%20eligible%20may%20surprise%20you&text=Lee%20Westwood%20and%20Sergio%20Garcia,for%20 considerably%20less%20this%20year).

[Teemotay]

Watched every minute of LIV golf since it started. Being an avid golf fan for many years, particularly Ryder & President's Cup tourneys and "match/team play" format - I find LIV golf much more exciting and fun to watch. Started watching Bay Hill Thursday, a good part of the field was already done for the day as usual with 8 hours of golf play format. The shotgun start for LIV gets everybody out together for a 4 hour golf event. Party/music atmosphere gets loud on holes near the clubhouse, looking forward to attending upcoming event at Orange County National - and good times!

Amen brother! I love it and am looking forward to attending all 3 days of the upcoming LIV tournament in Orlando! Should be an awesome time!

[tophcfa]

Nobody should have to play golf wearing long pants unless it’s very cold outside.

[eyc234]

How much tradition paid your bills while you were raising your family?

A lot of tradition in my life, got up at 6am went to work in an office, worked 8-10 hours a day, worked harder than the person in the desk next to me to get the promotion or salary increase and saved/invested money to have a great retirement. Agree that people move for money and I probably would do the same but then shutup accept the decision you made and stop with the complaining about not getting money from your ex employer. Also stop saying LIV is competition, it is an exhibition with exhibitors paid up front and then their expenses paid on the back end no matter how badly they play.

[dewilson58]

Also stop saying LIV is competition, it is an exhibition with exhibitors paid up front and then their expenses paid on the back end no matter how badly they play.

Where the PGA continues to move to.

Where NBA, NFL, MLB, etc., already are.

:shrug:

[dewilson58]

Nobody should have to play golf wearing long pants unless it’s very cold outside.

I've seen lots of legs that should not be in shorts. :1rotfl::1rotfl:

[BrianL99]

Also stop saying LIV is competition, it is an exhibition with exhibitors paid up front and then their expenses paid on the back end no matter how badly they play.

Similar business model to the new PGA Tour.

Tiger played 9 Rounds on the PGA Tour last year and got $15,000,000 in "participation bonus" money.

[Badger 2006]

Originally Posted by eyc234 View Post
Also stop saying LIV is competition, it is an exhibition with exhibitors paid up front and then their expenses paid on the back end no matter how badly they play.

Sound like other professional sports: Football/Baseball/Soccer/Basketball/etc.

[BiPartisan]

Everybody gets paid, no cuts, no pressure. In spite of the WWF type promotion, I find it annoying and boring. But all the defectors are making boatloads of cash. The Saudis have plenty of money to burn, so expect to see it around for awhile. Viewership for the round last week on the CW network was poor compared to the Honda with a weak field. Something like 250,000 viewers compared to 2.5 million for the Honda.

They revised the overall viewership once they added those that watched via web stream. It certainly was a lot better event than the no name Honda. Honda was like watching a Web.com tournament. We are looking forward to the OC National event. Remember that was the first CW broadcast and was not well advertised. The Palmer Invitational had tee times from 7:45 to 1:20... Shotgun start and team aspect is a good addition.

[BiPartisan]

Golf has become woke......
New breed, money money money no regard for tradition

You do realize that Tiger Woods won around $115 million in winnings over his 25 years of actively playing that's about $4.6 million per year...Now compare that to NFL, MLB, NBA contracts, LeBron James signed an annual contract for $130 million annually. Those greedy golfers.

[JoMar]

Yes, SOME LIV players will be able to play in the majors... But the number is WAAAY lower than last year...

LIV golfers can still play in majors but the number who are eligible may surprise you | Golf News and Tour Information | GolfDigest.com (https://www.golfdigest.com/story/liv-golfers-can-still-play-major-but-number-eligible-may-surprise-you#:~:text=MAJOR%20ELIGIBILITY-,LIV%20golfers%20can%20still%20play%20in%20majors% 20but%20the,are%20eligible%20may%20surprise%20you&text=Lee%20Westwood%20and%20Sergio%20Garcia,for%20 considerably%20less%20this%20year).

Once the PGA gets their head out of their butts that may change in the years ahead. They have started to back away, I can only hope it continues.

[kkingston57]

IMO too much glitz, graphics, yada yada yada from the know it all’s, the side scores are OK but not comprehensive. I may grow into it, but I guess I’m a traditionalist at heart. The younger set will prob love it and that is LIVs target.

Younger set play a lot less golf and probably watch golf even less. Would rather play on their cell phones.

[kkingston57]

Golf has become woke......
New breed, money money money no regard for tradition

Define WOKE. It now seems to be the catch all for anything that a person does not like,

[BrianL99]

Define WOKE. It now seems to be the catch all for anything that a person does not like,


Woke: [Adjective] Typically spoken or written by an older or naive person, in an effort to sound cool & trendy and used to identify something they don't like (Also see: Curate).

[JMintzer]

Younger set play a lot less golf and probably watch golf even less. Would rather play on their cell phones.

I think you would be surprised at how popular golf is with the "younger set"...

My son in law was down 2 weeks ago (with my daughter) and all he wanted to know, prior to their arrival, was if I was able to get tee-times... We played 4 times in a week...

He also has a group of friends he plays with regularly...