Bad experience at Arnold Palmer Country Club mgmt should be aware of.

[Robbb]

As a new resident of the Villages I stopped by the Arnold Palmer course this afternoon to check it out and see if they had a driving range. When I went into the clubhouse, to ask about a driving range, I was met by a (seemingly demented) old lady who gleefully went rambling on and on about how I could not golf there because I was not "dressed correctly". She never really explained what the dress requirement was, (I was dressed in nice shorts with a sports shirt on), she just kept mumbling something about a dress code. I walked out just as she was starting to say "you really should not be here"

Management, I am a retired senior executive of a fortune 200 company, I have played some of the most exclusive courses on the planet, I am VERY familiar and ACCEPTING of dress codes, however I have NEVER hear of a dress code for a golf shop or driving range. And I have NEVER heard an employee, demented or not, say "you really should not be here. I find this comment reprehensible, demeaning, and potentially racist. In our era of heightened awareness of inclusion, do you really want employees standing in your golf shop determining who "should and should not be there". I encourage you to train your employees on the proper presentation and explanation of any dress code you enact, in addition I encourage you to enforce that code consistently and without exception. It did not go unnoticed that many others in the shop, restaurant, and driving range, were dressed much more casually than I, but none of them seem to have drawn the wrath of your demented clerk.

[asianthree]

You will get better results by calling the CC and speak to management. I promise they will not read any of your post on TOTV

[Bill14564]

A retired senior executive of a fortune 200 company who has played on some of the most exclusive courses on the planet feels the best way to communicate with management of a country club is to post a message on a forum??

[dewilson58]

You will get better results by calling the CC and speak to management. I promise they will not read any of your post on TOTV

He/She has posted over 100 times.................probably not looking for results.

:thumbup:

[BrianL99]

A retired senior executive of a fortune 200 company who has played on some of the most exclusive courses on the planet feels the best way to communicate with management of a country club is to post a message on a forum??


The original poster is full of $h___.

I've played 10 of the Top 20 courses in the world. At every one of them, without exception, the Dress Code is applicable to the driving range and Pro Shop.

In most of the clubs I've belonged to, the "dress code" applied to the property. I couldn't (& wouldn't) step foot on the property, unless properly dressed.

I'm the first one to admit that times are changing and dress codes are slowly but surely, changing. That said, if he wants to complain, go for it ... just tell the truth and there's no need to gild the lily, as to his phony "experience".

[Robbb]

The original poster is full of $h___.

I've played 10 of the Top 20 courses in the world. At every one of them, without exception, the Dress Code is applicable to the driving range and Pro Shop.

In most of the clubs I've belonged to, the "dress code" applied to the property. I couldn't (& wouldn't) step foot on the property, unless properly dressed.

I'm the first one to admit that times are changing and dress codes are slowly but surely, changing. That said, if he wants to complain, go for it ... just tell the truth and there's no need to gild the lily, as to his phony "experience".

Hey Sport, you have no Godly idea what you are talking about.
Ps, just an fyi, courses with windmills on the 3rd hole do not count as "10 of the to 20" courses in the world.

[JMintzer]

The original poster is full of $h___.

I've played 10 of the Top 20 courses in the world. At every one of them, without exception, the Dress Code is applicable to the driving range and Pro Shop.

In most of the clubs I've belonged to, the "dress code" applied to the property. I couldn't (& wouldn't) step foot on the property, unless properly dressed.

I'm the first one to admit that times are changing and dress codes are slowly but surely, changing. That said, if he wants to complain, go for it ... just tell the truth and there's no need to gild the lily, as to his phony "experience".

Yup! I used to belong to a TPC Club and they had a dress code for the Course, Driving Range and Clubhouse...

I was asked to leave the driving range once, because I absentmindedly showed up in jeans and a golf shirt... Totally my fault...

[Bogie Shooter]

You will get better results by calling the CC and speak to management. I promise they will not read any of your post on TOTV

Easier to complain on here than face management. Post comes across as somewhat eliteist.

[kcrazorbackfan]

You will get better results by calling the CC and speak to management. I promise they will not read any of your post on TOTV

Yes, but he’s a special keyboard warrior too meek to speak to Mark Verkey in person above this “alleged” event.

[I'm Popeye!]

I find this comment reprehensible, demeaning, and potentially racist.
Oh, cut-it-out!

[Jayhawk]

As a new resident of the Villages I stopped by the Arnold Palmer course this afternoon to check it out and see if they had a driving range. When I went into the clubhouse, to ask about a driving range, I was met by a (seemingly demented) old lady who gleefully went rambling on and on about how I could not golf there because I was not "dressed correctly". She never really explained what the dress requirement was, (I was dressed in nice shorts with a sports shirt on), she just kept mumbling something about a dress code. I walked out just as she was starting to say "you really should not be here"

Management, I am a retired senior executive of a fortune 200 company, I have played some of the most exclusive courses on the planet, I am VERY familiar and ACCEPTING of dress codes, however I have NEVER hear of a dress code for a golf shop or driving range. And I have NEVER heard an employee, demented or not, say "you really should not be here. I find this comment reprehensible, demeaning, and potentially racist. In our era of heightened awareness of inclusion, do you really want employees standing in your golf shop determining who "should and should not be there". I encourage you to train your employees on the proper presentation and explanation of any dress code you enact, in addition I encourage you to enforce that code consistently and without exception. It did not go unnoticed that many others in the shop, restaurant, and driving range, were dressed much more casually than I, but none of them seem to have drawn the wrath of your demented clerk.

Want to guess who posted this back on November 22, 2022?

There is a dress code for golf? Who gives a F what anyone wears.

No peeking now, but I bet you know.

You can't make this stuff up.

:boom::boom::boom:

[BrianL99]

Hey Sport, you have no Godly idea what you are talking about.
Ps, just an fyi, courses with windmills on the 3rd hole do not count as "10 of the to 20" courses in the world.

Any time you'd like to compare your list of courses played & your scores, just look me up, SPORT.

[Kenswing]

Want to guess who posted this back on November 22, 2022?

There is a dress code for golf? Who gives a F what anyone wears.

No peeking now, but I bet you know.

You can't make this stuff up.

:boom::boom::boom:
And there’s this little beauty. https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/2161037-post83.html

“Ahh the trauma of seeing someone wearing a T shirt in the clubhouse. Do all old people get weird as they age? I will dress any Fing way I choose and some crazy old guy will not dictate how that is.”

[BrianL99]

, say "you really should not be here. I find this comment reprehensible, demeaning, and potentially racist. .

Oh, cut-it-out!

There's a clue, huh?

Do you think he was wearing a "hoodie" or maybe a big Panama Hat with a feather ?

[PugMom]

well played, Gentlemen responders, good job :ho:

[Spalumbos62]

Wow..tough crowd...not sure what to make of this post. At first I felt sorry for him, then thought it wasn't his clothes but some racism,then he's called a liar,then he's challenged...it was like ping pong back and forth...lol...I'm dizzy

[mrf0151]

As a new resident of the Villages I stopped by the Arnold Palmer course this afternoon to check it out and see if they had a driving range. When I went into the clubhouse, to ask about a driving range, I was met by a (seemingly demented) old lady who gleefully went rambling on and on about how I could not golf there because I was not "dressed correctly". She never really explained what the dress requirement was, (I was dressed in nice shorts with a sports shirt on), she just kept mumbling something about a dress code. I walked out just as she was starting to say "you really should not be here"

Management, I am a retired senior executive of a fortune 200 company, I have played some of the most exclusive courses on the planet, I am VERY familiar and ACCEPTING of dress codes, however I have NEVER hear of a dress code for a golf shop or driving range. And I have NEVER heard an employee, demented or not, say "you really should not be here. I find this comment reprehensible, demeaning, and potentially racist. In our era of heightened awareness of inclusion, do you really want employees standing in your golf shop determining who "should and should not be there". I encourage you to train your employees on the proper presentation and explanation of any dress code you enact, in addition I encourage you to enforce that code consistently and without exception. It did not go unnoticed that many others in the shop, restaurant, and driving range, were dressed much more casually than I, but none of them seem to have drawn the wrath of your demented clerk.

Well now, it looks like this poster has been exposed and you have been caught with your pants down. Definitely not within dress code.

[Dusty_Star]

Maybe an ageist is not in the right place in a retirement community.

"a (seemingly demented) old lady"

"Do all old people get weird as they age?"

[Rango]

As a new resident of the Villages I stopped by the Arnold Palmer course this afternoon to check it out and see if they had a driving range. When I went into the clubhouse, to ask about a driving range, I was met by a (seemingly demented) old lady who gleefully went rambling on and on about how I could not golf there because I was not "dressed correctly". She never really explained what the dress requirement was, (I was dressed in nice shorts with a sports shirt on), she just kept mumbling something about a dress code. I walked out just as she was starting to say "you really should not be here"

Management, I am a retired senior executive of a fortune 200 company, I have played some of the most exclusive courses on the planet, I am VERY familiar and ACCEPTING of dress codes, however I have NEVER hear of a dress code for a golf shop or driving range. And I have NEVER heard an employee, demented or not, say "you really should not be here. I find this comment reprehensible, demeaning, and potentially racist. In our era of heightened awareness of inclusion, do you really want employees standing in your golf shop determining who "should and should not be there". I encourage you to train your employees on the proper presentation and explanation of any dress code you enact, in addition I encourage you to enforce that code consistently and without exception. It did not go unnoticed that many others in the shop, restaurant, and driving range, were dressed much more casually than I, but none of them seem to have drawn the wrath of your demented clerk.

Decafe Robbb, Decafe

[JGibson]

You lost me at it being “racist”, especially the way people are using that word to get what they want these days.

I don't understand the collared shirt at AP driving range, especially when at Sarasota no color is required.

It's their rules so I can either drive over to Oxford driving range where the people are super nice and don't require a collar or start a moaning thread on TOTV, I go to Oxford plus they have grass all week.

[retiredguy123]

You lost me at it being “racist”, especially the way people are using that word to get what they want these days.

I don't understand the collared shirt at AP driving range, especially when at Sarasota no color is required.

It's their rules so I can either drive over to Oxford driving range where the people are super nice and don't require a collar or start a moaning thread on TOTV, I go to Oxford plus they have grass all week.
Technically, I think it is a Villages rule and it is the same at both places, but Sarasota has stopped enforcing it.

[ThirdOfFive]

Easier to complain on here than face management. Post comes across as somewhat eliteist.
Somewhat?

Two words come to mind; "molehill" and "mountain", in that order.

[Robbb]

Somewhat?

Two words come to mind; "molehill" and "mountain", in that order.

Hmm so its elitist to complain about discrimination.....

[retiredguy123]

Hmm so its elitist to complain about discrimination.....
Did your "sports shirt" have a collar? If not, you didn't comply with the dress code. That's really the only pertinent point.

[ThirdOfFive]

Hmm so its elitist to complain about discrimination.....
Unless the issue is more important than the resolution, the appropriate course of action would be to talk to management at the Arnold Palmer Country Club.

[BrianL99]

Somewhat?

Two words come to mind; "molehill" and "mountain", in that order.


Hmm so its elitist to complain about discrimination.....

Some folks just revel in playing the "victim".

[mike234]

As a new resident of the Villages I stopped by the Arnold Palmer course this afternoon to check it out and see if they had a driving range. When I went into the clubhouse, to ask about a driving range, I was met by a (seemingly demented) old lady who gleefully went rambling on and on about how I could not golf there because I was not "dressed correctly". She never really explained what the dress requirement was, (I was dressed in nice shorts with a sports shirt on), she just kept mumbling something about a dress code. I walked out just as she was starting to say "you really should not be here"

Management, I am a retired senior executive of a fortune 200 company, I have played some of the most exclusive courses on the planet, I am VERY familiar and ACCEPTING of dress codes, however I have NEVER hear of a dress code for a golf shop or driving range. And I have NEVER heard an employee, demented or not, say "you really should not be here. I find this comment reprehensible, demeaning, and potentially racist. In our era of heightened awareness of inclusion, do you really want employees standing in your golf shop determining who "should and should not be there". I encourage you to train your employees on the proper presentation and explanation of any dress code you enact, in addition I encourage you to enforce that code consistently and without exception. It did not go unnoticed that many others in the shop, restaurant, and driving range, were dressed much more casually than I, but none of them seem to have drawn the wrath of your demented clerk.
I don't understand the "potentially racist" part of your complaint? did you sport shirt have a collar also?

[Spalumbos62]

I don't understand the "potentially racist" part of your complaint? did you sport shirt have a collar also?

I took that as maybe this person was a person of color and the lady was mumbling, diverting or avoiding because of that yet using the clothing issue as reason...again, it's an ambiguous post.

[billethkid]

OP smacks way too much of being nothing more than BAIT!!

_____________________________________________

:censored:

[dewilson58]

OP smacks way too much of being nothing more than BAIT!!

_____________________________________________

:censored:

Tasty bait..............was able to set a couple hooks.

[tvbound]

"Things that never happened for $1,000."

[MrFlorida]

Wow..tough crowd...not sure what to make of this post. At first I felt sorry for him, then thought it wasn't his clothes but some racism,then he's called a liar,then he's challenged...it was like ping pong back and forth...lol...I'm dizzy

Not really a tough crowd, we don't like when new people come here and want to change all the rules to suit themselves.

[Bogie Shooter]

I took that as maybe this person was a person of color and the lady was mumbling, diverting or avoiding because of that yet using the clothing issue as reason...again, it's an ambiguous post.

If so, then it should have been in the OP. If so, then I agree it all was inappropriate and should be addressed.
All the background info would not been been needed.

[VApeople]

This has been my favorite thread of all time, especially the post where a guy bragged about playing 10 of the 20 most desirable golf courses and someone asked if one hole had a windmill to got thru.

I'm still laughing about that one.

[walterray1]

As a new resident of the Villages I stopped by the Arnold Palmer course this afternoon to check it out and see if they had a driving range. When I went into the clubhouse, to ask about a driving range, I was met by a (seemingly demented) old lady who gleefully went rambling on and on about how I could not golf there because I was not "dressed correctly". She never really explained what the dress requirement was, (I was dressed in nice shorts with a sports shirt on), she just kept mumbling something about a dress code. I walked out just as she was starting to say "you really should not be here"

Management, I am a retired senior executive of a fortune 200 company, I have played some of the most exclusive courses on the planet, I am VERY familiar and ACCEPTING of dress codes, however I have NEVER hear of a dress code for a golf shop or driving range. And I have NEVER heard an employee, demented or not, say "you really should not be here. I find this comment reprehensible, demeaning, and potentially racist. In our era of heightened awareness of inclusion, do you really want employees standing in your golf shop determining who "should and should not be there". I encourage you to train your employees on the proper presentation and explanation of any dress code you enact, in addition I encourage you to enforce that code consistently and without exception. It did not go unnoticed that many others in the shop, restaurant, and driving range, were dressed much more casually than I, but none of them seem to have drawn the wrath of your demented clerk.

bull hockey as they say. Feel free to find another rock in which to...

[BobnBev]

bull hockey as they say. Feel free to find another rock in which to...

I'm not a golfer, but my BS meter now has a bent needle.

[Pairadocs]

A retired senior executive of a fortune 200 company who has played on some of the most exclusive courses on the planet feels the best way to communicate with management of a country club is to post a message on a forum??

It really does make you wonder doesn't it, why some folks feel compelled to post their resume along with what may be a very legitimate complaint. I don't take issue with an encounter with an employee who may have been "way out of line". I just find it curious, and the post is not the only one that has appeared in TOTV, where the poster "seems" to feel so insecure in their assertion that they somehow need to "prop it up a little" ? Doesn't seem necessary to me, why would where one worked, or who they worked for, or how many courses they have played here in the U. S., or even in other countries, even relate to the topic of poor communication by an employee ? I wonder if there are any other residents of the Villages who have worked for fortune 500 companies AND played a lot of golf ? Surely there are ! ?

[Pairadocs]

This has been my favorite thread of all time, especially the post where a guy bragged about playing 10 of the 20 most desirable golf courses and someone asked if one hole had a windmill to got thru.

I'm still laughing about that one.

It is entertaining to read some of these posts. But I am serious when I say that I have a "theory", based on this and other comments, where people seem to feel their opinions are not worth much unless they bolster them in that way. In other words, I worked for .... or I've played not only Pebble Beach, but ....., etc. My theory (and remember a "theory"is a thought, not fact) is many retired people may begin to feel less important for some reason, and they begin to show signs of establishing their worth/value to others in unusual ways ? As I said, just a theory based on observation.

[Aloha1]

Golf is a sport. Sports have rules. Deal with it or find something else to do.

[CoachKandSportsguy]

But I am serious when I say that I have a "theory", based on this and other comments, where people seem to feel their opinions are not worth much unless they bolster them in that way. In other words, I worked for .... or I've played not only Pebble Beach, but ....., etc. My theory (and remember a "theory"is a thought, not fact) is many retired people may begin to feel less important for some reason, and they begin to show signs of establishing their worth/value to others in unusual ways ? As I said, just a theory based on observation.

I agree, and my theory is that it takes time to move away from career as a validation once one is retired, as career validation has been a force during employment for 40 + years. For some people its hard to transition to an equal retiree, sometimes for me as well, but its slowly getting easier as I get closer to never working again. . .

future former finance guy

[fdpaq0580]

Hey Sport, you have no Godly idea what you are talking about.
Ps, just an fyi, courses with windmills on the 3rd hole do not count as "10 of the to 20" courses in the world.

Rats! The windmill course is the one I finally broke 90 on.

[fdpaq0580]

Want to guess who posted this back on November 22, 2022?

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You can't make this stuff up.

:boom::boom::boom:

OH, sure you can. I make up stuff all the time. My wife just rolls her eyes, but I can tell she is impressed

MOOB, MOOB, MOOB!

[fdpaq0580]

Any time you'd like to compare your list of courses played & your scores, just look me up, SPORT.

You misspelled "SPURT". You are welcom.

[fdpaq0580]

Well now, it looks like this poster has been exposed and you have been caught with your pants down. Definitely not within dress code.

Wouldn't that depend on which club he belonged to?

[jedalton]

you need to speak with Mark Verkey, the head pro at Palmer. The buck stops with him

[Laker14]

I was a member for about 20 years at a private country club in a very small and not too very affluent town in Upstate NY. There was a broad spectrum of wealth. Some old money, and some folks who could barely afford to belong.

There was a push among the wealthy to make it more posh, always resisted by those that could barely afford it as it was. They had a dress code. They had some goofy rules that they thought made it look classier, like you could carry your bag, but you couldn't pull it along on a wheeled cart.

Eventually I just decided I wasn't playing enough to justify the cost, especially since up there we couldn't even play 6 or 7 months of the year, so I quit and started playing at the local municipal course, which was actually a very nice Donald Ross design. They had a dress code which was basically "wear clothes".

One night I was walking the course, pulling my wheeled cart, and playing with a guy I just hooked up with who had been playing the course since he was a wee lad. He told me that when he was a kid the dress code on a hot day was "keep your shirt on while playing the first hole, put back on on the 9th hole and 10th holes, and put it back on while playing the 18th".

I played there for almost 20 years before leaving the area.

At the private club people had their groups, and were pretty fussy about who they played with. At the municipal course people were friendly, and I played with a lot of different people. Want to guess where I had more fun?

[PersonOfInterest]

I was a coat hanger Repairman for 26 yrs and have only played a few 'Country Club' style courses. I bought my clubs from WalMart and I play 'Nitro' balls because they're the cheapest I can find.

I went into the pro shop at Arnold Palmer and used the driving range there with no problem.

Am I missing something here?

[Rwirish]

The dress code does apply to the driving range. Executive at a Fortune 200 company and playing some of the top courses impresses no one.

[dewilson58]

I was a coat hanger Repairman for 26 yrs and have only played a few 'Country Club' style courses. I bought my clubs from WalMart and I play 'Nitro' balls because they're the cheapest I can find.

I went into the pro shop at Arnold Palmer and used the driving range there with no problem.

Am I missing something here?

If you want to play with Robbby.............you must tell us what you were wearing.

:clap2:

[Papa_lecki]

Funny, I tried to get on the pickleball court in a Speedo, flip flops, and tank top, cut off at the waist.
They didnt let me play, who do I call?

[WingedFoot78]

Four pages of this junk. Don't you people have anything better to do?

[MidWestIA]

If you did not have a collared shirt exec or not your comments are yadda yadda.

[jimjamuser]

As a new resident of the Villages I stopped by the Arnold Palmer course this afternoon to check it out and see if they had a driving range. When I went into the clubhouse, to ask about a driving range, I was met by a (seemingly demented) old lady who gleefully went rambling on and on about how I could not golf there because I was not "dressed correctly". She never really explained what the dress requirement was, (I was dressed in nice shorts with a sports shirt on), she just kept mumbling something about a dress code. I walked out just as she was starting to say "you really should not be here"

Management, I am a retired senior executive of a fortune 200 company, I have played some of the most exclusive courses on the planet, I am VERY familiar and ACCEPTING of dress codes, however I have NEVER hear of a dress code for a golf shop or driving range. And I have NEVER heard an employee, demented or not, say "you really should not be here. I find this comment reprehensible, demeaning, and potentially racist. In our era of heightened awareness of inclusion, do you really want employees standing in your golf shop determining who "should and should not be there". I encourage you to train your employees on the proper presentation and explanation of any dress code you enact, in addition I encourage you to enforce that code consistently and without exception. It did not go unnoticed that many others in the shop, restaurant, and driving range, were dressed much more casually than I, but none of them seem to have drawn the wrath of your demented clerk.
When you say, "in our era of HEIGHTENED INCLUSION" You may be MISSING an important point. That being - the Villages IS a bubble of non-progressiveness! Which has to do, in part, just because of the sheer aging of the residents. They are SET in their WAYS and many believe, that it is "their way or the highway". It is a sad part of life here in Regression and Demented----VILLE.

[dewilson58]

Four pages of this junk. Don't you people have anything better to do?

Change your settings....................it will fit on two pages.

:loco::loco:

[MidWestIA]

I would LOVE to meet some of your employees I bet they have a nickname for you

[airstreamingypsy]

Hey Sport, you have no Godly idea what you are talking about.
Ps, just an fyi, courses with windmills on the 3rd hole do not count as "10 of the to 20" courses in the world.

I will be billing you for a new keyboard, that should have come with a warning when people are drinking coffee. :mornincoffee:

[Rodneysblue]

you will get better results by calling the cc and speak to management. I promise they will not read any of your post on totv

bingo!!

[Captainpd]

As a new resident, it didn't take long to join the official "whinning" board here in the Villages

[fdpaq0580]

Four pages of this junk. Don't you people have anything better to do?

No! What is your excuse for being on this thread?

[banjobob]

You appear totally polite , sorry I probably would told this employee a few words of encouragement about customer relations and how to better serve customers wants and needs.

[Steve]

Hey Sport, you have no Godly idea what you are talking about.
Ps, just an fyi, courses with windmills on the 3rd hole do not count as "10 of the to 20" courses in the world.

I'm with BrianL99 on this one. Every course I've ever played, public and private, enforces the dress code wherever you are--pro shop, driving range/practice area, restaurant/grill. We had one of our players buy pants at a pro shop at a public course in Leesburg because he wore denim and couldn't play otherwise. If you've played Top 20 courses that don't do the same I don't think they were Top 20 of anything.

[retiredguy123]

I'm with BrianL99 on this one. Every course I've ever played, public and private, enforces the dress code wherever you are--pro shop, driving range/practice area, restaurant/grill. We had one of our players buy pants at a pro shop at a public course in Leesburg because he wore denim and couldn't play otherwise. If you've played Top 20 courses that don't do the same I don't think they were Top 20 of anything.
Note that the "so-called" country club restaurants in The Villages do not have a dress code. I assume that is because they are privately owned and operated, unlike the golf courses and driving ranges. So, when you play golf, you need a collared shirt, but when you sit at the bar or dining area, you can wear a tee shirt. Go figure.

[DrHitch]

The OP was born in 1955 and has been a TOTV member since last December....

[RiderOnTheStorm]

As a new resident of the Villages I stopped by the Arnold Palmer course this afternoon to check it out and see if they had a driving range. When I went into the clubhouse, to ask about a driving range, I was met by a (seemingly demented) old lady who gleefully went rambling on and on about how I could not golf there because I was not "dressed correctly". She never really explained what the dress requirement was, (I was dressed in nice shorts with a sports shirt on), she just kept mumbling something about a dress code. I walked out just as she was starting to say "you really should not be here"

Management, I am a retired senior executive of a fortune 200 company, I have played some of the most exclusive courses on the planet, I am VERY familiar and ACCEPTING of dress codes, however I have NEVER hear of a dress code for a golf shop or driving range. And I have NEVER heard an employee, demented or not, say "you really should not be here. I find this comment reprehensible, demeaning, and potentially racist. In our era of heightened awareness of inclusion, do you really want employees standing in your golf shop determining who "should and should not be there". I encourage you to train your employees on the proper presentation and explanation of any dress code you enact, in addition I encourage you to enforce that code consistently and without exception. It did not go unnoticed that many others in the shop, restaurant, and driving range, were dressed much more casually than I, but none of them seem to have drawn the wrath of your demented clerk.


Wow, you must be pretty important! Down here we are all equal. Get used to it.

P.S. The employee is no doubt someone's mother. Show her some respect and understanding.

[jimjamuser]

Wow, you must be pretty important! Down here we are all equal. Get used to it.

P.S. The employee is no doubt someone's mother. Show her some respect and understanding.
I did NOT find his original thread starter to be such a BAD topic to discuss. It makes SENSE to me that a person with shorts on and shorts SHOULD feel that he can go into a GOLF shop and ask a question about driving ranges and etc. Also, I would think that maybe he was there to BUY something. So I don't see where he did ANYTHING offensive in the Golf Shop. I am just assuming that we are getting a correct telling (from him) of the story. Maybe the lady had some REAL reason to challenge him. That's the idea of "BOTH sides of a story".
........Now it is NOT true that everybody in TV Land acts as an equal to everyone else. That would be like socialism, which IS the DIRTIEST concept ever in the Village Bubble. I have had, recently, someone at a softball game treat me with disrespect and like a 3rd-class citizen. Softball players can be very self-indulgent and "grumpy". The same day I played doubles tennis and was shown respect and equality. There are many other examples HERE of people thinking of themselves as SUPERIOR (for one reason or another) here in Bubble Town. I could ONLY DREAM about everyone treating each other as EQUALS.
.........And with respect to him saying that he was a CEO of a Fortune 500 company - I think that he wanted to ESTABLISH early on that he was NOT just some BOZO off of the street that did NOT understand the dress standards of the game of Golf. It seemed a little elitist, but NOT so much for a top executive of a LARGE company. I have known worse people with LESSER credentials. So, I think that to a certain extent, he was just establishing his bonafides here in La, La, land since he IS a NEWBIE.

[jimjamuser]

The OP was born in 1955 and has been a TOTV member since last December....
And that means........................what exactly? I left my codebook at work.

[DrHitch]

Haha...
I found myself in very "appropriate" golf attire next to the cart owned by one of the golf shop employees at Orange Blossom.. a very friendly staff and patrons ..

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/members/drhitch-82033/albums/pics-for-posts/9902-73401.jpeg

[jimjamuser]

Wow..tough crowd...not sure what to make of this post. At first I felt sorry for him, then thought it wasn't his clothes but some racism,then he's called a liar,then he's challenged...it was like ping pong back and forth...lol...I'm dizzy
I agree with you that as a jury we might vote either way. I will ASSUME that he was telling it TRUE, but who knows for sure?

[retiredguy123]

The OP has never answered the simple question as to whether or not the "sports shirt" he refers to had a collar. My guess is that it did not, but why won't the OP admit that he was not in compliance with the dress code? He claims that he can wear anything he wants, but that is just not true.

[jimjamuser]

OP smacks way too much of being nothing more than BAIT!!

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:censored:
That's possible, but i tend to believe that MOST people are sincere, until proven otherwise.

[rhenault1]

well played, Gentlemen responders, good job :ho:
Amen to all of you who kept the thread going, enjoyed a good laugh today, needed it, should try eating Lobster at the restaurant, it's great!!

[Pairadocs]

Hey Sport, you have no Godly idea what you are talking about.
Ps, just an fyi, courses with windmills on the 3rd hole do not count as "10 of the to 20" courses in the world.

Most days read the latest TOTV when I take a break for a cup of coffee... YOUR post gave me the best smile yet......LOVE it !

[Pairadocs]

Maybe an ageist is not in the right place in a retirement community.

"a (seemingly demented) old lady"

"Do all old people get weird as they age?"

As you pointed out, isn't it interesting how a high ranking executive, sophisticated world traveler, and experienced at the world's premiere clubs and courses, talks, writes, and posts, AFTER retirement ? Did you look up other posts from him, WOW ! Personalities... a fascinating study. Insecurities... another fascinating study... LOL !

[JMintzer]

When you say, "in our era of HEIGHTENED INCLUSION" You may be MISSING an important point. That being - the Villages IS a bubble of non-progressiveness! Which has to do, in part, just because of the sheer aging of the residents. They are SET in their WAYS and many believe, that it is "their way or the highway". It is a sad part of life here in Regression and Demented----VILLE.

"They..."

Always "They"...

[JMintzer]

I did NOT find his original thread starter to be such a BAD topic to discuss. It makes SENSE to me that a person with shorts on and shorts SHOULD feel that he can go into a GOLF shop and ask a question about driving ranges and etc. Also, I would think that maybe he was there to BUY something. So I don't see where he did ANYTHING offensive in the Golf Shop. I am just assuming that we are getting a correct telling (from him) of the story. Maybe the lady had some REAL reason to challenge him. That's the idea of "BOTH sides of a story".
........Now it is NOT true that everybody in TV Land acts as an equal to everyone else. That would be like socialism, which IS the DIRTIEST concept ever in the Village Bubble. I have had, recently, someone at a softball game treat me with disrespect and like a 3rd-class citizen. Softball players can be very self-indulgent and "grumpy". The same day I played doubles tennis and was shown respect and equality. There are many other examples HERE of people thinking of themselves as SUPERIOR (for one reason or another) here in Bubble Town. I could ONLY DREAM about everyone treating each other as EQUALS.
.........And with respect to him saying that he was a CEO of a Fortune 500 company - I think that he wanted to ESTABLISH early on that he was NOT just some BOZO off of the street that did NOT understand the dress standards of the game of Golf. It seemed a little elitist, but NOT so much for a top executive of a LARGE company. I have known worse people with LESSER credentials. So, I think that to a certain extent, he was just establishing his bonafides here in La, La, land since he IS a NEWBIE.

No one said a word about wearing shorts, and you'd be well served to Google the definition of "Socialism"...

Acting like an equal to everyone els is NOT it...

[Pairadocs]

I agree, and my theory is that it takes time to move away from career as a validation once one is retired, as career validation has been a force during employment for 40 + years. For some people its hard to transition to an equal retiree, sometimes for me as well, but its slowly getting easier as I get closer to never working again. . .

future former finance guy

Agree ! It's really interesting to me to observe. One facet appears to just have more to do with time and the flexibility to develop a whole range of new interests, skill, and hobbies. But there seems to be a group of people where it runs deeper than that... I've seen it at various groups I belong to that do volunteer charity work. Individuals who seem almost driven to announce who they "were" once, and make it known they should head the effort (so to speak). Personally, that's fine with me, I REALLY enjoy the freedom from decision making and responsibilities...LOL... but I totally understand that many feel a sense of loss, or an emptiness, or even that their status/worth is somehow diminished. The best part is, if an individual has that need, there are several thousand opportunities in our community to be fulfilled .

[Velvet]

I think it’s ok to be proud of who you were. They have to have worked very hard to get there and there is nothing wrong with a bit of reflected glory. The problem might arise if, therefore, one thinks they are “better” than others.

[Boomer]

As a new resident of the Villages I stopped by the Arnold Palmer course this afternoon to check it out and see if they had a driving range. When I went into the clubhouse, to ask about a driving range, I was met by a (seemingly demented) old lady who gleefully went rambling on and on about how I could not golf there because I was not "dressed correctly". She never really explained what the dress requirement was, (I was dressed in nice shorts with a sports shirt on), she just kept mumbling something about a dress code. I walked out just as she was starting to say "you really should not be here"

Management, I am a retired senior executive of a fortune 200 company, I have played some of the most exclusive courses on the planet, I am VERY familiar and ACCEPTING of dress codes, however I have NEVER hear of a dress code for a golf shop or driving range. And I have NEVER heard an employee, demented or not, say "you really should not be here. I find this comment reprehensible, demeaning, and potentially racist. In our era of heightened awareness of inclusion, do you really want employees standing in your golf shop determining who "should and should not be there". I encourage you to train your employees on the proper presentation and explanation of any dress code you enact, in addition I encourage you to enforce that code consistently and without exception. It did not go unnoticed that many others in the shop, restaurant, and driving range, were dressed much more casually than I, but none of them seem to have drawn the wrath of your demented clerk.
..

Aw c'mon, seems to me like there is more to this......

It does not even take reading between the lines to see ageism with an icing of misogyny in this one.

Just how loud and obnoxious did the "victim" get before hearing a woman (gasp) say, "You really should not be here"? Hmmmmm, perhaps this woman knew that golf has a history of being known as a gentleman's game. (What did the "victim" say or do before hearing that comment.)

'Demented' is a loaded word being used as a pejorative. So wrong on so many levels.

This complaint is showing more than it is telling. And that old saying about the ratio of hat to cattle comes to mind.

Boomer

[Jayhawk]

Four pages of this junk. Don't you people have anything better to do?

Don't you?

[jimjamuser]

Agree ! It's really interesting to me to observe. One facet appears to just have more to do with time and the flexibility to develop a whole range of new interests, skill, and hobbies. But there seems to be a group of people where it runs deeper than that... I've seen it at various groups I belong to that do volunteer charity work. Individuals who seem almost driven to announce who they "were" once, and make it known they should head the effort (so to speak). Personally, that's fine with me, I REALLY enjoy the freedom from decision making and responsibilities...LOL... but I totally understand that many feel a sense of loss, or an emptiness, or even that their status/worth is somehow diminished. The best part is, if an individual has that need, there are several thousand opportunities in our community to be fulfilled .
Some people have large egos and they need to get those egos fed a lot and OFTEN. They are begging for a "pat on the back". Some residents are SIMPLY lonely. But, I would disagree with the concept of LARGE personality changes AFTER retirement. I believe that psychologists say that people's basic personalities are largely FIXED at a young age. Probably, by 2nd grade. If people are very outgoing then they will LIKELY stay that way when retired. If people are more introspective, it is likely that they will stay that way in RETIREMENT.

[jimjamuser]

Some folks just revel in playing the "victim".
Yes and also in larger contexts.

[jimjamuser]

It is entertaining to read some of these posts. But I am serious when I say that I have a "theory", based on this and other comments, where people seem to feel their opinions are not worth much unless they bolster them in that way. In other words, I worked for .... or I've played not only Pebble Beach, but ....., etc. My theory (and remember a "theory"is a thought, not fact) is many retired people may begin to feel less important for some reason, and they begin to show signs of establishing their worth/value to others in unusual ways ? As I said, just a theory based on observation.
It could just be insecurity that motivates people to brag about themselves. I think that some CEOs are insecure people - Jack Welsh, the long-time ago CEO of GE comes to mind. Insecurity and the need for approval can DRIVE people to top positions in corporations.
........People just say .........some CEOs are DRIVEN.

[jimjamuser]

I agree, and my theory is that it takes time to move away from career as a validation once one is retired, as career validation has been a force during employment for 40 + years. For some people its hard to transition to an equal retiree, sometimes for me as well, but its slowly getting easier as I get closer to never working again. . .

future former finance guy
The retirees that I know do NOT seem to BE or even think of themselves as EQUALS. They often seem like a bag full of cats fighting in different directions to get out.

[TSO/ISPF]

The retirees that I know do NOT seem to BE or even think of themselves as EQUALS. They often seem like a bag full of cats fighting in different directions to get out.

I think posters have wondered off the original topic. Dress codes in the early 20th century were somewhat different from today and perhaps dress codes on the villages golf courses will change one day to. Look at dress codes in the office in the eighties versus nineties. Things change.

[BrianL99]

I think posters have wondered off the original topic. Dress codes in the early 20th century were somewhat different from today and perhaps dress codes on the villages golf courses will change one day to. Look at dress codes in the office in the eighties versus nineties. Things change.

You don't think "traditions" should be maintained and women should still dress for the golf course, as they did when we were kids?

[Velvet]

I think posters have wondered off the original topic. Dress codes in the early 20th century were somewhat different from today and perhaps dress codes on the villages golf courses will change one day to. Look at dress codes in the office in the eighties versus nineties. Things change.

Nah, they didn’t wander off topic. They just weren’t led by the nose.

[shut the front door]

I think it’s ok to be proud of who you were. They have to have worked very hard to get there and there is nothing wrong with a bit of reflected glory. The problem might arise if, therefore, one thinks they are “better” than others.

We have no idea how hard anyone worked before reaching retirement. Their are plenty of people who did not earn what they got.

[jimjamuser]

You don't think "traditions" should be maintained and women should still dress for the golf course, as they did when we were kids?
A couple of foxie-loxies on the ends.

[jimjamuser]

We have no idea how hard anyone worked before reaching retirement. Their are plenty of people who did not earn what they got.
A perfect example is Jack Welsh who fiddled ( at 350 K per year) while GE burned! And meanwhile many people thought he was the 2nd coming.

[VApeople]

A couple of foxie-loxies on the ends.


And in the middle we have Babe Zaharias and Patty Berg, who I knew when I was young and living in Fort Myers.

[JGibson]

You could always go to a psychiatrist and get a note that the collar rubbing against your neck triggers your anxiety.

Another solution is to identify as a woman because they don't have to wear collars or sleeves.

I wish they were as vigilant about ball marks as collared shirts.

Faded jeans and a collared shirt is an oxymorons.

You could be a wise guy and wear a collared shirt with holes and super wrinkled.

Well here’s looking forward to the next collared shirt thread.

[Flyers999]

You don't think "traditions" should be maintained and women should still dress for the golf course, as they did when we were kids?

Yes I do. I yearn for antiquity.

[Laker14]

Yes I do. I yearn for antiquity.

Take heart! You are becoming more antiquated every day that passes.

[BlueStarAirlines]

I'm thinking this could go on for another few pages.......

Should the new Katie Belle's have a dress code?

[pauld315]

As a new resident of the Villages I stopped by the Arnold Palmer course this afternoon to check it out and see if they had a driving range. When I went into the clubhouse, to ask about a driving range, I was met by a (seemingly demented) old lady who gleefully went rambling on and on about how I could not golf there because I was not "dressed correctly". She never really explained what the dress requirement was, (I was dressed in nice shorts with a sports shirt on), she just kept mumbling something about a dress code. I walked out just as she was starting to say "you really should not be here"

Management, I am a retired senior executive of a fortune 200 company, I have played some of the most exclusive courses on the planet, I am VERY familiar and ACCEPTING of dress codes, however I have NEVER hear of a dress code for a golf shop or driving range. And I have NEVER heard an employee, demented or not, say "you really should not be here. I find this comment reprehensible, demeaning, and potentially racist. In our era of heightened awareness of inclusion, do you really want employees standing in your golf shop determining who "should and should not be there". I encourage you to train your employees on the proper presentation and explanation of any dress code you enact, in addition I encourage you to enforce that code consistently and without exception. It did not go unnoticed that many others in the shop, restaurant, and driving range, were dressed much more casually than I, but none of them seem to have drawn the wrath of your demented clerk.

Dress code is posted at every golf course in The Villages. It is also on the golfing website. Calling somebody demented certainly doesn't reflect your inclusive desires nor does it portray you as a retired executive of anything.