disabled parking

[TSO/ISPF]

Please don't sit in a car in the driver's seat waiting for someone in the store
in a disabled parking spot.

You can wait somewhere else and pick them up in front of the store or nearer than that parking spot. Someone with a disabled parking permit who intends to actually get out of the car and go in may have to park further away than they should have to because you are sitting in that spot when you could have waited somewhere near enough to see the store entrance and pick up the person you are waiting for. To me, it's the courteous thing to do.

[asianthree]

I have noticed some with handicap tag, sit in their car for awhile before finally getting out of the car. Might be a motility issue and needs a rest before exiting the car

[TSO/ISPF]

I have noticed some with handicap tag, sit in their car for awhile before finally getting out of the car. Might be a motility issue and needs a rest before exiting the car

Not the situation today. I went into the store and came out 10 minutes later. Person was still sitting in the car. I've seen this a few times and it just seems to be inconsiderate to me. I actually suggested the idea and he was able to exit the car pretty quickly to threaten me. In this day and age better to just not say anything.

[Velvet]

Not the situation today. I went into the store and came out 10 minutes later. Person was still sitting in the car. I've seen this a few times and it just seems to be inconsiderate to me.

This just sounds strange to me. You mean a perfectly able person is sitting in the car while they had sent the HANDICAPPED person shopping?

[TSO/ISPF]

This just sounds strange to me. You mean a perfectly able person is sitting in the car while they had sent the HANDICAPPED person shopping?

He did say his wife was handicapped, but he may have been as well. Just didn't have any trouble getting out of the vehicle.

[JRcorvette]

Way too many people have handi cap parking stickers in the Villages!

[retiredguy123]

Way too many people have handi cap parking stickers in the Villages!
I agree. And, almost anyone can get a doctor to issue a handicap permit, and there is no enforcement on the issuing of permits.

[TSO/ISPF]

Way too many people have handi cap parking stickers in the Villages!

really can't say on that. I knew a guy with 1 arm and an arm that was deformed so he had a partial arm to the elbow, no legs. He got around on a skateboard like nobody would believe. Once went under a police horse while in a crazy mood. He refused to use handicap parking for many years. That's where I get my sensitivity to people "abusing" handicap parking.

[fdpaq0580]

IMHO,the only vehicle that should be in a handicap spot is one driven by a handicapped person. A handicapped person being chauffeured should be let off at the loading zone. The driver can park elsewhere and then be called to pickup the handicapped person at the loading zone.

[Djean1981]

If a spouse wants to wait up close for an ailing loved one, it's fine with me.

[Michael G.]

I agree. And, almost anyone can get a doctor to issue a handicap permit, and there is no enforcement on the issuing of permits.

My daughter in law is in a wheelchair and my son has been noticing it's harder and harder to fine help with their luggage when traveling, airport claims there isn't enough staff people.

He was told by the airport people perfectly healthy people are buying wheelchairs when traveling to get through the TSA check at the airports.

[retiredguy123]

Some people may have a legitimate need for handicapped parking. But, it is mostly used by entitled people who just want a reserved parking space wherever they go. And medical doctors cannot be trusted to properly screen for those who really deserve a handicapped parking permit.

[Number 10 GI]

My wife has advanced COPD, severe rheumatoid arthritis that keeps her in pain and mobility issues due to a back injury. She has a disabled placard. Sometimes I drive her to do her shopping and park in a disabled spot and she will walk to the store. She tries to do as much as she can physically and will walk back to the car, where I'm waiting, when she finishes shopping. Some days after walking around in the store her pain level and inability to breathe gets the best of her and she will call me on the phone and ask me to pick her up.
I advise any busy bodies to mind their own business and not approach me with their righteous attitude.

[wisbad1]

He did say his wife was handicapped, but he may have been as well. Just didn't have any trouble getting out of the vehicle.
Maybe you should mind your own business, sometimes I come back to the car because of breathing issues. My wife continues to shop with out me. Everyone tends to eyeball someone with handicap card. I would be upset if they came and quizzed me.

[fdpaq0580]

My wife has advanced COPD, severe rheumatoid arthritis that keeps her in pain and mobility issues due to a back injury. She has a disabled placard. Sometimes I drive her to do her shopping and park in a disabled spot and she will walk to the store. She tries to do as much as she can physically and will walk back to the car, where I'm waiting, when she finishes shopping. Some days after walking around in the store her pain level and inability to breathe gets the best of her and she will call me on the phone and ask me to pick her up.
I advise any busy bodies to mind their own business and not approach me with their righteous attitude.

Just a different point of view, if I may.
You are simply acting as your wife's chauffeur in your scenario. You could drop your wife at the door. It would be closer than handicapped parking. You could wait anywhere in the parking area since you are not accompanying her. You don't need that handicap spot. Let someone who really needs it have it. When your wife is done shopping she can call you and you can pick her up at the door. That way everyone wins.
By the way, your last sentence is threatening In a manner that indicates you recognize that you know you don't need or deserve the handicap spot. You seem also to recognize that it is yourself who has an indignant and self-righteous attitude that makes you so defensive about your abuse of handicap parking needs. You are are essentially an Uber, on call, driver. Handicap parking is not waiting stalls for Uber or taxies.

[jswirs]

I thank God every day that I am not handicapped. I pay no attention to handicapped parking spots and who may be in them. In fact, I usually park in a remote area of the lot to hopefully avoid dings and dents from other vehicles, and get a little more exercise as well.
However, I do KNOW that some folks abuse handicapped parking, they have a permit but in no way are they handicapped. The way I have seen karma work, it wouldn't surprise me if some day, they actually do need a handicapped permit.

[Nucky]

OP, mind your own business and be thankful that it’s not you that has to be the one directly concerned about a handicapped spot.

Call the Police. You have no authority to directly approach the person waiting in the car. Your actions are shameful in my opinion.

[Blackbird45]

My wife is in a wheelchair and when she is not with me, I do not park in a handicap spot. What gets me is to see a person drive up in a golfcart full of clubs, park in a handicap spot, and walk into a restaurant. They do have a handicap tag hanging, but my view is if your healthy enough to play golf, you should be able to walk a few more steps to where you're going. With my wife I'm not worried about the distance, but the handicap spots allow more space to maneuver a wheelchair.

[Get real]

He was told by the airport people perfectly healthy people are buying wheelchairs when traveling to get through the TSA check at the airports.

It is amazing how successful those "Miracle Flights" are in curing people from needing wheelchairs to deplane.

[jojo]

My mother lived with us and I asked my her doctor for a letter for a handicapped sticker when she was 102. He said he didn't think she needed it. We never got one. She went into assisted living at 106.

[GizmoWhiskers]

Way too many people have handi cap parking stickers in the Villages!
Some truth to that. Wondering when anxiety and depression fits the criteria for handicap parking? Had an aquaintance once that had one based on that. She was perfectly fine other wise. I guess a Dr. got it for her (?).

[westernrider75]

He did say his wife was handicapped, but he may have been as well. Just didn't have any trouble getting out of the vehicle.

You do realize that no all disabilities are visible right? Could be a heart condition or other medical condition not visible.

[wsachs]

My wife has advanced COPD, severe rheumatoid arthritis that keeps her in pain and mobility issues due to a back injury. She has a disabled placard. Sometimes I drive her to do her shopping and park in a disabled spot and she will walk to the store. She tries to do as much as she can physically and will walk back to the car, where I'm waiting, when she finishes shopping. Some days after walking around in the store her pain level and inability to breathe gets the best of her and she will call me on the phone and ask me to pick her up.
I advise any busy bodies to mind their own business and not approach me with their righteous attitude.
It was 'suggested' that since YOU are not handicapped, you could park somewhere close by and let someone who is REALLY handicapped use the spot. Then you could drive up and pick her up. What's wrong with that idea?

[BoatRatKat]

As if getting old isn't hard enough, now we have "parents" at every turn telling us what we should and shouldn't do. Why do so many people feel the need to give their opinion...usually a negative one at that. Caregivers have a hard enough job taking care of their loved ones, the last thing they need is someone getting into their business about a parking space. Jeez.

[lisahathy]

My wife has advanced COPD, severe rheumatoid arthritis that keeps her in pain and mobility issues due to a back injury. She has a disabled placard. Sometimes I drive her to do her shopping and park in a disabled spot and she will walk to the store. She tries to do as much as she can physically and will walk back to the car, where I'm waiting, when she finishes shopping. Some days after walking around in the store her pain level and inability to breathe gets the best of her and she will call me on the phone and ask me to pick her up.
I advise any busy bodies to mind their own business and not approach me with their righteous attitude.

If your wife has the ability to call you to ask you to pick her up you really don’t need to take up a handicapped parking spot to drive to her. Save the handicapped parking spot for someone who is handicapped and needs to walk back to their car. Now if there were other available handicapped parking spots it’s not a big deal.

[airstreamingypsy]

This just sounds strange to me. You mean a perfectly able person is sitting in the car while they had sent the HANDICAPPED person shopping?

I suspect the handicapped person was the driver sitting in the car, while the healthy person ran into the store. Handicapped spaces should not be used when the non handicapped person is the one going into the store.

[Nucky]

It’s a useless conversation with some people. Your mind is set and that’s that. Are there some that abuse the handicapped parking? I’m sure there are. Don’t EVER come to my car window and question or instruct me about anything to do with the spot I’m in so to speak!

[Kallbox]

I agree

[Reynoka]

People really need to mind their own business regarding disabled parking. I wouldn’t look to you as disabled …yet…but without disabled parking I would be too fatigued to go in the store. I can only go in for a few items at a time and need to return to sit or I could fall from an inherited muscle disease. Yes I walk and look normal to you. You don’t know how much it takes out of me to be able to pick out what I want at a store. It may take weeks to feel up to the walking and standing to pick out what I want. If the disability spots are all taken, I often have to just drive home again. But I see the judgey people looking at me walking out of my car dressed nicely. I just pray you never have a disability that you have to live with. Judgey people make bad disabled people because they end up refusing to use the disabled parking when they need it, because they worry how others view them. I don’t look disabled walking off a plane, but I couldn’t fly without a wheelchair and helper waiting for me when I walk off the plane. Just know people who don’t appear disabled may be enduring lots, just to appear normal for a few minutes.

[hampton]

It’s a useless conversation with some people. Your mind is set and that’s that. Are there some that abuse the handicapped parking? I’m sure there are. Don’t EVER come to my car window and question or instruct me about anything to do with the spot I’m in so to speak!

THEN WHAT, why the threat

[MrFlorida]

If you park in a handicapped spot, Please have a hangtag or license plate that says so..... I see many without either in a handicapped spot. It's not fair to somebody that really needs that spot.

[kendi]

If a spouse wants to wait up close for an ailing loved one, it's fine with me.

Up close yes, but not occupying a handicap spot. These are for drivers who are handicapped only.

[PjLyness1965]

Please don't sit in a car in the driver's seat waiting for someone in the store
in a disabled parking spot.

You can wait somewhere else and pick them up in front of the store or nearer than that parking spot. Someone with a disabled parking permit who intends to actually get out of the car and go in may have to park further away than they should have to because you are sitting in that spot when you could have waited somewhere near enough to see the store entrance and pick up the person you are waiting for. To me, it's the courteous thing to do.

Mind your own business. Those plates and stickers are given out by the state for a reason. Sounds like you’re mad because you didn’t get there first or you don’t have one. Get over it.

[ronwinger]

Do not judge a book by its cover... let me say, my wife and I are both handicapped (heart issues) and we both have Handicap Tags. To look at us one would not know. Some days are better than others. Many times she will set in the car when I go in. Sometimes, I may walk in and use the electric carts to come back out. Some handicap parking spots are so far away, they are useless. Believe me, when I see Non handicap spot close to the Handicap spot I ALWAYS take the non handicap spot. I guess what I am saying, there a many people that abuse Handicap spots but, we can not know who or what the handicap is.

[billethkid]

How about we put the same attention on speeding, stop signs and school zone laws/rules!!

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[bark4me]

Please don't sit in a car in the driver's seat waiting for someone in the store
in a disabled parking spot.

You can wait somewhere else and pick them up in front of the store or nearer than that parking spot. Someone with a disabled parking permit who intends to actually get out of the car and go in may have to park further away than they should have to because you are sitting in that spot when you could have waited somewhere near enough to see the store entrance and pick up the person you are waiting for. To me, it's the courteous thing to do.
You hit the nail on the head... Courteous thing to do! Some people feel a sense of entitlement. Unbelievable.

[RedChariot]

OP, mind your own business and be thankful that it’s not you that has to be the one directly concerned about a handicapped spot.

Call the Police. You have no authority to directly approach the person waiting in the car. Your actions are shameful in my opinion.

I agree. OP has no right to have confronted that man. Stop being such a busy body. Mind your own business.

[bark4me]

I have noticed some with handicap tag, sit in their car for awhile before finally getting out of the car. Might be a motility issue and needs a rest before exiting the car
Ahhhhh. Bless your little heart. You still believe in Santa Claus 🧑*🎄 I see.

[nn0wheremann]

Not the situation today. I went into the store and came out 10 minutes later. Person was still sitting in the car. I've seen this a few times and it just seems to be inconsiderate to me. I actually suggested the idea and he was able to exit the car pretty quickly to threaten me. In this day and age better to just not say anything.
Toot your horn, to let them know to move on?
The best solution to disabled parking space abuse I have encountered was in Davenport Iowa. Someone affixed kindly reminder notes to violator’s windshields. These were printed on two foot square sticky paper stock. By the time the violator s were able to scrape the reminder off, they had lost any convenience they had acquired by way of their violation.

[Mellow]

IMHO,the only vehicle that should be in a handicap spot is one driven by a handicapped person. A handicapped person being chauffeured should be let off at the loading zone. The driver can park elsewhere and then be called to pickup the handicapped person at the loading zone.

So not true. I have a disabled adult child that can’t be left alone on a sidewalk, while I go to get the car. The law says that the disabled person has to be the one exiting the car. All other passengers can remain in the car. In my adult child’s case, she needs someone to wheel her. She also needs space for the ramp to come down to enter & exit the handicapped van.

[Finchs]

Please don't sit in a car in the driver's seat waiting for someone in the store
in a disabled parking spot.

You can wait somewhere else and pick them up in front of the store or nearer than that parking spot. Someone with a disabled parking permit who intends to actually get out of the car and go in may have to park further away than they should have to because you are sitting in that spot when you could have waited somewhere near enough to see the store entrance and pick up the person you are waiting for. To me, it's the courteous thing to do.



My husband has dementia and Parkinson's. I leave him in the car while I do the shopping because I need to be quick to get back to him, and I have him close enough I can keep an eye on him. I went thru this with my mother years ago--she would either get out and walk away or bang on the window for passerbys to let her out if the door was locked, the would think she was in distress and try to jimmy the door.
It sucks being sick, it sucks having to watch out for dangers to one we love who isn't in their right mind anymore.

[Keefelane66]

Please don't sit in a car in the driver's seat waiting for someone in the store
in a disabled parking spot.

You can wait somewhere else and pick them up in front of the store or nearer than that parking spot. Someone with a disabled parking permit who intends to actually get out of the car and go in may have to park further away than they should have to because you are sitting in that spot when you could have waited somewhere near enough to see the store entrance and pick up the person you are waiting for. To me, it's the courteous thing to do.
If a person has a disabled parking placard it can be used on any car that they are traveling in, whether it is their own car or somebody else's. In this sense, a placard is registered to a person and not to a vehicle. License plates are different because they cannot be removed.

[jparsoneau@aol.com]

So the way I read this article, it does not say if the person parking in The spot has a handicap sticker or not if they do, he has every right to be there. There is no law that you have to park there an exit your vehicle in a certain amount of time. However, It might be rude to park there and not leave it open for somebody else to go to the store.
I also learned something a while back ago just got somebody hops out of a vehicle and doesn’t appear to have a physical injury. Does not mean they do not have a medical condition.
On another note, how about the people who just park in the middle of the road with their flashers on.
Expecting people to drive around them

[Marine1974]

There has to be a record of a diagnosis by the doctor to receive a disabled placard. Why would a doctor risk their license to practice by signing a form that is a lie ?

[Daddymac]

Please don't sit in a car in the driver's seat waiting for someone in the store
in a disabled parking spot.

You can wait somewhere else and pick them up in front of the store or nearer than that parking spot. Someone with a disabled parking permit who intends to actually get out of the car and go in may have to park further away than they should have to because you are sitting in that spot when you could have waited somewhere near enough to see the store entrance and pick up the person you are waiting for. To me, it's the courteous thing to do.

90% Of the people here should not have a permit. I could have gotten a permit, and have a brother in a Wheelchair he is truly disabled. And when he comes here to visit and we go out, We can’t get a spot to park, Because the “OTHER DISABLED PERSON HAD TO “RUN” INTO THE STORE. And you all have seen them.. PLUS. The holder of the permit is NOT in the car, someone else is using it!!
It’s all Bull $hit.

[Warcats]

Here Here

[PugMom]

My wife has advanced COPD, severe rheumatoid arthritis that keeps her in pain and mobility issues due to a back injury. She has a disabled placard. Sometimes I drive her to do her shopping and park in a disabled spot and she will walk to the store. She tries to do as much as she can physically and will walk back to the car, where I'm waiting, when she finishes shopping. Some days after walking around in the store her pain level and inability to breathe gets the best of her and she will call me on the phone and ask me to pick her up.
I advise any busy bodies to mind their own business and not approach me with their righteous attitude.

DITTOS~! Thank You. 1 lady actually approached me, saying i was 'too young' to be disabled. i politely turned around, lifted my shirt, & showed her the very long scar going down my spine, then showed her the scars on the back of my legs (both). if i had my fone, i'd have taken a pic of her face as she slithered away. just because the person doesn't appear to be disabled, doesn't mean they are not. is really no one elses' business, imo. thanks for the rant :posting:

[Velvet]

DITTOS~! Thank You. 1 lady actually approached me, saying i was 'too young' to be disabled. i politely turned around, lifted my shirt, & showed her the very long scar going down my spine, then showed her the scars on the back of my legs (both). if i had my fone, i'd have taken a pic of her face as she slithered away. just because the person doesn't appear to be disabled, doesn't mean they are not. is really no one elses' business, imo. thanks for the rant :posting:

Terrific response! But some problems are not visible. A friend who snowboards, and rides competitively suddenly developed heart problems. He looks physically very healthy no one would think he could be handicapped, but develops dizziness even on short walks, I mean fall to the ground degree dizziness.

[jimkerr]

People always rant about this, yet they have no problem walking around the store for 30-60 minutes grocery shopping.

[PugMom]

Terrific response! But some problems are not visible. A friend who snowboards, and rides competitively suddenly developed heart problems. He looks physically very healthy no one would think he could be handicapped, but develops dizziness even on short walks, I mean fall to the ground degree dizziness.

that's why this is an awful thread. peeps need to myob & deal with it. yes, i've been to stores & unable to find a spot, but i don't sit around judging who needs that spot the most. what i do is drive around multiple times until i see 1 open up. so i'm a few minutes behind, no big deal.

[PugMom]

People always rant about this, yet they have no problem walking around the store for 30-60 minutes grocery shopping.

when i'm in too much pain to handle walking the aisles of Publix, i'm grateful for instacart. that handicap spot remains open

[retiredguy123]

I totally agree that it is not appropriate to confront people on the street. But, it is appropriate to question the legal process that allows almost anyone to get a handicap permit by just asking a medical doctor to sign a form. There should be an enforcement process to ensure that the permits are only issued to people who have a valid need for the permit. Medical doctors are not law enforcers, and they should not have the exclusive right or responsibility to issue permits. In my opinion, the current process is flawed.

[scooterstang]

What everyone seems to be missing is that the reason for handicap parking is so they have room to put out the ramp for the wheelchair person. Now if the person driving the car is handicapped and the passenger in the store is not(get the hell out of that spot!) pick that person up in front of the store. But if the person in the store is in a wheelchair then stay in that spot so you have the room for your ramp(very difficult to load with a ramp in front of a store with all the traffic and pedestrian shoppers) i feel very fortunate to not have to use handicap parking and feel bad about the people that do, and I respect those few spots that are available to those people at stores. Here is a scenario for you: lets say you are sitting in the handicapped spot and someone needs wheelchair access(all the other spots are filled) that person has been denied!)

[threefootputt]

I don’t think people question the legitimacy or are without empathy for those with handicaps, visible or otherwise. The whole issue centers around the person who knows what morally and ethically is right but chooses to ignore. Whether it’s at Publix, at a restaurant, boarding an airplane or anywhere else that “privilege” gets you to the head of the line, a small but arrogant few will find ways to circumvent the law, common courtesy and respect for others and make themselves the most important person in the room. They want the edge over others. The only solution is in one’s conscious.

[fdpaq0580]

Here Here

Where? Where?

[fdpaq0580]

How about we put the same attention on speeding, stop signs and school zone laws/rules!!

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Those are for other threads.

[Bill14564]

So the way I read this article, it does not say if the person parking in The spot has a handicap sticker or not if they do, he has every right to be there. There is no law that you have to park there an exit your vehicle in a certain amount of time. However, It might be rude to park there and not leave it open for somebody else to go to the store.
I also learned something a while back ago just got somebody hops out of a vehicle and doesn’t appear to have a physical injury. Does not mean they do not have a medical condition.
On another note, how about the people who just park in the middle of the road with their flashers on.
Expecting people to drive around them

There should be a special ticket for them. "I'm turning my flashers on to let you know that I am aware I am doing something I shouldn't....but I'm gonna do it anyway"

[wisbad1]

My wife is in a wheelchair and when she is not with me, I do not park in a handicap spot. What gets me is to see a person drive up in a golfcart full of clubs, park in a handicap spot, and walk into a restaurant. They do have a handicap tag hanging, but my view is if your healthy enough to play golf, you should be able to walk a few more steps to where you're going. With my wife I'm not worried about the distance, but the handicap spots allow more space to maneuver a wheelchair.
I play golf, 9 holes when I’m able. So should I not golf what I can because I’m handicapped? People are mad because they can’t park close. Some get cards so they don’t get car dings.

[fdpaq0580]

So not true. I have a disabled adult child that can’t be left alone on a sidewalk, while I go to get the car. The law says that the disabled person has to be the one exiting the car. All other passengers can remain in the car. In my adult child’s case, she needs someone to wheel her. She also needs space for the ramp to come down to enter & exit the handicapped van.

My response that you quoted was to the post of nonhandycapped driver unnecessisarily waiting in a handicapped spot (that may have been needed by you and your child) while the actual handicapped person is shopping. Your situation is one where the handicapped individual needs an assistant, and that is you. Unlikely that an able-bodied driver will be "chillin'" in your vehicle.
Caring and concerned individuals here are looking out for your interest by calling out the apparent abusers. Those who may be the abusers are the ones that use the bullies response of "mind your own business".

[wisbad1]

Up close yes, but not occupying a handicap spot. These are for drivers who are handicapped only.
What is worse is when they park in the crosswalk and wait, or in front of the store

[Number 10 GI]

It was 'suggested' that since YOU are not handicapped, you could park somewhere close by and let someone who is REALLY handicapped use the spot. Then you could drive up and pick her up. What's wrong with that idea?

Because my wife wants to walk as much as possible, she doesn't want to be dropped off at the door and picked up there. It makes her feel like an invalid. She can walk limited distances such as from a handicapped space but not farther down in the parking lot.

[Nucky]

THEN WHAT, why the threat

What AUTHORITY do you have to speak with me about anything to do with where my car is positioned on private property?

I would never threaten anyone, ever. I wonder why you took it that way?

[fdpaq0580]

Because my wife wants to walk as much as possible, she doesn't want to be dropped off at the door and picked up there. It makes her feel like an invalid. She can walk limited distances such as from a handicapped space but not farther down in the parking lot.

Oh, my! She wants to walk as much as possible, so you choose possibly the closest place to park rather than allow her to get in another 50 to 100 steps. Do you have any idea how far she travels while shopping? She, apparently, does not require your help or assistance.
And being dropped off and picked up make her "feel like an invalid"? Funny that walking to and from the car in "handicapped parkin only" doesn't make her feel the same.
Well, it really isn't any of my business whether you really need to use the handicapped spaces, or just use it for convenience.

[Number 10 GI]

Just a different point of view, if I may.
You are simply acting as your wife's chauffeur in your scenario. You could drop your wife at the door. It would be closer than handicapped parking. You could wait anywhere in the parking area since you are not accompanying her. You don't need that handicap spot. Let someone who really needs it have it. When your wife is done shopping she can call you and you can pick her up at the door. That way everyone wins.
By the way, your last sentence is threatening In a manner that indicates you recognize that you know you don't need or deserve the handicap spot. You seem also to recognize that it is yourself who has an indignant and self-righteous attitude that makes you so defensive about your abuse of handicap parking needs. You are are essentially an Uber, on call, driver. Handicap parking is not waiting stalls for Uber or taxies.

Did you not read where I stated my wife wants to do as much for herself as possible, she wants to walk from the car to the store and back if she can. She doesn't want to be dropped off and picked up. That is what she wants and I will park my car in a disabled spot to accommodate her regardless of what anyone else thinks we should do. When the wife can't walk from the handicapped space, I will drive her to the door and pick her up and not use a handicapped space to park when waiting for her.
I have no tolerance for busy bodies sticking their nose where it doesn't belong. My business is mine, not someone else's. Over the years I have learned that most people who have the need to mind other people's business need to clean their house first as it usually needs it far more than the person that they are criticizing. It is the epitome of disrespect and entitlement when you feel the need to tell everyone else how to live.
I have also learned that when I concern myself with my own life and ignore everyone else's, I have a much happier life.

[shut the front door]

Did you not read where I stated my wife wants to do as much for herself as possible, she wants to walk from the car to the store and back if she can. She doesn't want to be dropped off and picked up. That is what she wants and I will park my car in a disabled spot to accommodate her regardless of what anyone else thinks we should do. When the wife can't walk from the handicapped space, I will drive her to the door and pick her up and not use a handicapped space to park when waiting for her.
I have no tolerance for busy bodies sticking their nose where it doesn't belong. My business is mine, not someone else's. Over the years I have learned that most people who have the need to mind other people's business need to clean their house first as it usually needs it far more than the person that they are criticizing. It is the epitome of disrespect and entitlement when you feel the need to tell everyone else how to live.
I have also learned that when I concern myself with my own life and ignore everyone else's, I have a much happier life.

I have found that you will never find a nosier population than in TV.
My daddy used to say "if you just worry about yourself, you'll have your hands full".
Just look at the hundreds of threads on this board in which people speculate about other's lives when it has zero impact on their own. Don't let the busybodies get to you. They have nothing more to do in their golden years than
sit on a message board and post 7.2 times a day.

[Blackbird45]

I play golf, 9 holes when I’m able. So should I not golf what I can because I’m handicapped? People are mad because they can’t park close. Some get cards so they don’t get car dings.

My issue is that if you can play golf you can walk, my wife cannot walk. Handicap spots have extra room to get the person in and out of a wheelchair and do not have curbs. If my wife could walk, she would, but she can't.

[Bigbird59]

IMHO,the only vehicle that should be in a handicap spot is one driven by a handicapped person. A handicapped person being chauffeured should be let off at the loading zone. The driver can park elsewhere and then be called to pickup the handicapped person at the loading zone.

And where are these “loading zones”. You must be thinking fire lane. Dumb idea.

[wfp113]

Many of them are mentally handicapped 😂😂.

[wisbad1]

Some truth to that. Wondering when anxiety and depression fits the criteria for handicap parking? Had an aquaintance once that had one based on that. She was perfectly fine other wise. I guess a Dr. got it for her (?).
Look around every one is old, what do you expect

[wisbad1]

90% Of the people here should not have a permit. I could have gotten a permit, and have a brother in a Wheelchair he is truly disabled. And when he comes here to visit and we go out, We can’t get a spot to park, Because the “OTHER DISABLED PERSON HAD TO “RUN” INTO THE STORE. And you all have seen them.. PLUS. The holder of the permit is NOT in the car, someone else is using it!!
It’s all Bull $hit.
Boo hoo, why don’t your brother get one for travelling?

[wisbad1]

I totally agree that it is not appropriate to confront people on the street. But, it is appropriate to question the legal process that allows almost anyone to get a handicap permit by just asking a medical doctor to sign a form. There should be an enforcement process to ensure that the permits are only issued to people who have a valid need for the permit. Medical doctors are not law enforcers, and they should not have the exclusive right or responsibility to issue permits. In my opinion, the current process is flawed.
No worse then some morons bringing a dog into a grocery store, disgusting

[fdpaq0580]

No worse then some morons bringing a dog into a grocery store, disgusting

And sticking their noses (previously in some other dogs butt) in the fresh vegetable bins near the floor,sniffing and snorting the items on lower shelves or displays while owner is checking out other products and is blissfully unaware of their fake service dogs lack of service dog training and discipline.
But all that is for another great thread.

[Pairadocs]

Because my wife wants to walk as much as possible, she doesn't want to be dropped off at the door and picked up there. It makes her feel like an invalid. She can walk limited distances such as from a handicapped space but not farther down in the parking lot.

That seems logical ! What does not seem to make sense, is when a driver lets off a person with mobility difficulties, then parks just yards away in the closest parking spaces for the disabled, and THEN when the person comes out of the store, restaurant, etc., starts the car, backs out, and proceeds to the curb to pick up the person.

[nancyre]

You are unaware of the WHY they may be there. I sometimes need to wait for my disabled husband, something he needs to do without me. But, I watch to see if someone needs the spot - if so I will vacate and circle the lot. The issue is that there are no designated pick-up / drop-off zones. When someone disabled comes out they may need immediate assistance to cross the lot. They may get disoriented if they don't see their car. When having a good day and there is a nearby spot we will park there. You do not know what their issue is, all disabilities are not visible. Everyone is NOT trying to game the system. Get out of the car and have what looks like a healthy individual collapse. You are not a mind reader.

[Pairadocs]

I don’t think people question the legitimacy or are without empathy for those with handicaps, visible or otherwise. The whole issue centers around the person who knows what morally and ethically is right but chooses to ignore. Whether it’s at Publix, at a restaurant, boarding an airplane or anywhere else that “privilege” gets you to the head of the line, a small but arrogant few will find ways to circumvent the law, common courtesy and respect for others and make themselves the most important person in the room. They want the edge over others. The only solution is in one’s conscious.

So well stated, but have you noticed few of us on here ever get to the ROOT of the problem, I include myself. We often speak from what we have experienced and observed, that's what humans depend on to form ideas, opinions, philosophies. In some related ways, this is much like the abuse of "service dog" designations to "emotional support" pets of every kind description. It all went "viral" as the kids say, and is now possible to order, online, anything from a handicapped mirror tag (and you can even specify color if you are in a state or country not using the standard blue), to "vests" for the pet of those in such a fragile emotional state that they are not able to be in a restaurant or a store without the support of their animal. And yes, I agree that is a very tragic state of mind for anyone to have to bare, and only each of us can make the choice to judge or not judge. When I see a person in the hardware store, or grocery, or fast food location, cuddling their emotional support pet, I realized how judgmental my thoughts turned. Now I make a concerted effort to think "there but for the grace of God... and try to imagine what it would be like to not be able to go into a store to buy a light bulb without having an animal with you... thinking this way, I hope, keeps me a better person. If, LOL, I 'd been the person in the seat next to the peacock on that well publicized flight, I might have really had to fight my judgmental thoughts with all my might... LOL !

[Pairadocs]

What AUTHORITY do you have to speak with me about anything to do with where my car is positioned on private property?

I would never threaten anyone, ever. I wonder why you took it that way?

Humm, this sure took a sudden turn ! So much had to do with public parking at various retails locations, and now it turns to disagreement concerning private property. Can't see this ever being settled if it switches to people's and businesses private parking and drives ! Maybe just use what gram-ma referred to as "COMMON sense" and "decency" !

[Gpsma]

Having a handicapped sticker here in TV just means u have moved up on the Entitlement scale.

Personally, i park in the closest handicap spot and i dont have a placard. There arent enough police to enforce the rule.

If you are truly handicapped…just order stuff online.

[Michael G.]

No worse then some morons bringing a dog into a grocery store, disgusting

Worse yet in a restaurant. :22yikes:

[Michael G.]

There aren't enough police to enforce the rule.


I'm thinking there isn't enough police here in Florida to enforce anything.
Speeding, noisy exhaust, running stop lights, illegal turns etc. etc.

[boblexsue]

Have you considered the average age of our residents? That may account the large number of plates.
Not rocket science.

[boblexsue]

What a jerk !

[Fredster]

I'm thinking there isn't enough police here in Florida to enforce anything.
Speeding, noisy exhaust, running stop lights, illegal turns etc. etc.

Funny, I just saw someone being ticketed here today!
Plus I seem to recall all those things you mentioned,
also not being dealt with where I came from up north!
My, how soon we forget!

[JMintzer]

Where? Where?

There, There...

[JMintzer]

My issue is that if you can play golf you can walk, my wife cannot walk. Handicap spots have extra room to get the person in and out of a wheelchair and do not have curbs. If my wife could walk, she would, but she can't.

And you would be wrong in that assumption.

I occasionally play golf with someone who is handicapped. He can walk a few steps to the tee, but he's allowed to drive his cart (with special tires) up to the edge of the green. Then, he can walk the few steps to finish putting out.

Yes, he can swing a club and hit the ball well, but his heart issues won't allow him to walk all over the course, especially on the Exec courses...

It warms my heart that he can still play at his age and physical status...

I've also seen wheelchair confined players on the golf course.

Should they be denied handicap plates?

https://www.eazilee.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/ParaGolfer2.jpg

[fdpaq0580]

There, There...

No. No!

[fdpaq0580]

And you would be wrong in that assumption.

I occasionally play golf with someone who is handicapped. He can walk a few steps to the tee, but he's allowed to drive his cart (with special tires) up to the edge of the green. Then, he can walk the few steps to finish putting out.

Yes, he can swing a club and hit the ball well, but his heart issues won't allow him to walk all over the course, especially on the Exec courses...

It warms my heart that he can still play at his age and physical status...

I've also seen wheelchair confined players on the golf course.

Should they be denied handicap plates?

https://www.eazilee.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/ParaGolfer2.jpg

Some, yes. Him? Never! That is real commitment to the game. Kudos!

[perrjojo]

If your wife has the ability to call you to ask you to pick her up you really don’t need to take up a handicapped parking spot to drive to her. Save the handicapped parking spot for someone who is handicapped and needs to walk back to their car. Now if there were other available handicapped parking spots it’s not a big deal.
Not everyone Carrie’s a cell phone.

[fdpaq0580]

What a jerk !

Anyone in particular?

[fdpaq0580]

Not everyone Carrie’s a cell phone.

True, but the one chillin in the handicapped spot said that if his wife is too tired to get back to the car, she call him to pick her up at the door. That was the point, that there is a better and more considerate option to those who may have greater need or no one to assist them.

[jswirs]

It is the epitome of disrespect and entitlement when you feel the need to tell everyone else how to live.
I have also learned that when I concern myself with my own life and ignore everyone else's, I have a much happier life.[/QUOTE]

And this, my friends, says it all!

[Skunky1]

In general I don’t think people have any concept of what disabled is.

[Nucky]

Humm, this sure took a sudden turn ! So much had to do with public parking at various retails locations, and now it turns to disagreement concerning private property. Can't see this ever being settled if it switches to people's and businesses private parking and drives ! Maybe just use what gram-ma referred to as "COMMON sense" and "decency" !

I get it. They, anyone unless they are a law enforcement officer have any legal authority to speak with me or anyone else about their parking, driving or seeing someone sitting in a car in a handicapped parking spot as something bad. Possibly they have COPD and are preparing to enter the store? The point is, mind your business. Everyone seems to think that they are Barney Fife.

[JMintzer]

Some, yes. Him? Never! That is real commitment to the game. Kudos!

So who is the arbiter of who gets a Handicap Plate/Placard?

I'm legally allowed to fill out the forms for a patient. And I fill out maybe 5-6/year. Most of those are renewals. I also turn down another dozen or so, telling the pt that they don't have the proper diagnosis to get one.

When asked why, I tell them that keeping my medical license is more important... That I won't lie on a form...

I've only had one patient ever get mad at me for that... No great loss...

[retiredguy123]

So who is the arbiter of who gets a Handicap Plate/Placard?

I'm legally allowed to fill out the forms for a patient. And I fill out maybe 5-6/year. Most of those are renewals. I also turn down another dozen or so, telling the pt that they don't have the proper diagnosis to get one.

When asked why, I tell them that keeping my medical license is more important... That I won't lie on a form...

I've only had one patient ever get mad at me for that... No great loss...
The problem is that there is no arbiter. Turning down a request to sign the form just allows the "patient" to go to another doctor who will sign the form. And, the state has no information about how many times a request for a permit was rejected. I don't think that the remote possibility of losing their medical license is a reaIistic concern for most medical providers.

[NotGolfer]

So....I ask, what makes people assess what's wrong with individuals? I'd say it's frustration that turns to anger. There are all sorts of issues that cause a person to have a placard. At our house---I have rheumatoid disease (some call it arthritis) that has affected my mobility. My S.O. had a stroke (recovered from it) but as age progresses the mobility has been affected. BOTH of us "look" fine but we're not. Walking is an issue for both of us and we don't go too far because of it. Do we have wheelchairs? NO!!! I don't disparage anyone for parking in those spots. Is it frustrating at times to not find one----YES!! But to make blanket statements only feeds into that frustration. There is an old adage that says..."walk in another's moccasins......."

[Blackbird45]

And you would be wrong in that assumption.

I occasionally play golf with someone who is handicapped. He can walk a few steps to the tee, but he's allowed to drive his cart (with special tires) up to the edge of the green. Then, he can walk the few steps to finish putting out.

Yes, he can swing a club and hit the ball well, but his heart issues won't allow him to walk all over the course, especially on the Exec courses...

It warms my heart that he can still play at his age and physical status...

I've also seen wheelchair confined players on the golf course.

Should they be denied handicap plates?

https://www.eazilee.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/ParaGolfer2.jpg

I understand special needs and people can play golf but let be honest here. Fist my wife can't stand I have to actually lift out of the car and shift her into her wheelchair. As I said before I see golf carts parked in handicap zones with a tag and have seen the owners walk either to or from their golf carts. These are not special golf carts, and they're filled with clubs. The tags have a wheelchair on them not golf clubs. The handicap spots have a space to accommodate a wheelchair and no curbs.

[DaleRGrippo]

Stop complaining and think of why this person might need this handicap parking pass
Possibly a vet who lost limbs etc protecting you at home while deployed in some far off land
So you could complain about something now
Possibly sick or injured in a accident probably caused by someone that complains a lot like you
The reasons go on & on
Mind your own business

[billethkid]

In general I don’t think people have any concept of what disabled is.

The posts to this thread demonstrate differently! (does not mean any are correct or right.....just a "concept")

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:censored:

[Bill14564]

I understand special needs and people can play golf but let be honest here. Fist my wife can't stand I have to actually lift out of the car and shift her into her wheelchair. As I said before I see golf carts parked in handicap zones with a tag and have seen the owners walk either to or from their golf carts. These are not special golf carts, and they're filled with clubs. The tags have a wheelchair on them not golf clubs. The handicap spots have a space to accommodate a wheelchair and no curbs.

Are you proposing that handicap placards and plates be issued only to those in wheelchairs? Are those who do not (yet?) need a wheelchair less deserving of the handicap spot? Are some less handicapped when they ride in golf carts than they are when they ride in automobiles?

It just seems easy to me:
- If you don't have a placard or plate, don't use the spot (if you forgot it at home then too bad, you're out of luck)
- If you do have a placard or plate but don't feel you need the close spot then be courteous to the person who might and don't use the spot
- If someone with a placard or plate is parked in the spot then accept that a doctor determined they have the need to be there and mind your own business

Aside from the cheaters and entitled idiots, the problem we have around here (or probably any retirement community) is the number of people with handicap permits. There are ADA rules for how many spots there must be but those rules consider the average population and not the population of a retirement community.

More spots could be added but you might end up with over half the spots marked for handicap. Some of those spots would not feel close at all. Many of the spots would be empty and would encourage the entitled idiots to park in them without a permit.

There is no real solution to the problem of running out of spots but being courteous would help a lot.

[JMintzer]

The problem is that there is no arbiter. Turning down a request to sign the form just allows the "patient" to go to another doctor who will sign the form. And, the state has no information about how many times a request for a permit was rejected. I don't think that the remote possibility of losing their medical license is a reaIistic concern for most medical providers.

It doesn't matter "what you think"...

I've been asked to supply medical records when submitting handicap plate requests.

If my records don't match the diagnosis on the form, that's a big problem...

[fdpaq0580]

It is the epitome of disrespect and entitlement when you feel the need to tell everyone else how to live.
I have also learned that when I concern myself with my own life and ignore everyone else's, I have a much happier life.

And this, my friends, says it all![/QUOTE]

Yep! What I read above is "its all about me. Everyone else, go pound sand."
One of the markers of humanity is to care about others and to help others. One way to help our disabled friends and neighbors, is to call out misuse or abuse of facilities meant for handicapped people. If we err, it was meant with good intentions. The more severe the disability, the more they rely on those spaces.
To those who vehemently shout back "mind your own business", I hope you never find yourself in a situation where you need help, and the only person that could save you remembers how you told them to mind their their own business.

[JMintzer]

I understand special needs and people can play golf but let be honest here. Fist my wife can't stand I have to actually lift out of the car and shift her into her wheelchair. As I said before I see golf carts parked in handicap zones with a tag and have seen the owners walk either to or from their golf carts. These are not special golf carts, and they're filled with clubs. The tags have a wheelchair on them not golf clubs. The handicap spots have a space to accommodate a wheelchair and no curbs.

Again, you have no idea what their handicap may be.

Many times, it's quite visible (your wife, for example). Other times, it's not...

Having golf clubs on a cart and being able to walk into a restaurant means nothing as far as a handicap goes...

Someone with severe COPD or heart disease may be able to make that short walk, but not the longer walk from two blocks away...

Now, are there people who abuse the system? Most certainly. But if you think you can identify them in the 20 seconds you see them, you're sadly mistaken...

[JMintzer]

Are you proposing that handicap placards and plates be issued only to those in wheelchairs? Are those who do not (yet?) need a wheelchair less deserving of the handicap spot? Are some less handicapped when they ride in golf carts than they are when they ride in automobiles?

It just seems easy to me:
- If you don't have a placard or plate, don't use the spot (if you forgot it at home then too bad, you're out of luck)
- If you do have a placard or plate but don't feel you need the close spot then be courteous to the person who might and don't use the spot
- If someone with a placard or plate is parked in the spot then accept that a doctor determined they have the need to be there and mind your own business

Aside from the cheaters and entitled idiots, the problem we have around here (or probably any retirement community) is the number of people with handicap permits. There are ADA rules for how many spots there must be but those rules consider the average population and not the population of a retirement community.

More spots could be added but you might end up with over half the spots marked for handicap. Some of those spots would not feel close at all. Many of the spots would be empty and would encourage the entitled idiots to park in them without a permit.

There is no real solution to the problem of running out of spots but being courteous would help a lot.

Spot on!

[retiredguy123]

It doesn't matter "what you think"...

I've been asked to supply medical records when submitting handicap plate requests.

If my records don't match the diagnosis on the form, that's a big problem...
If you are claiming that Florida has an effective screening system for issuing handicapped parking permits, I disagree.

[Blackbird45]

Again, you have no idea what their handicap may be.

Many times, it's quite visible (your wife, for example). Other times, it's not...

Having golf clubs on a cart and being able to walk into a restaurant means nothing as far as a handicap goes...

Someone with severe COPD or heart disease may be able to make that short walk, but not the longer walk from two blocks away...

Now, are there people who abuse the system? Most certainly. But if you think you can identify them in the 20 seconds you see them, you're sadly mistaken...

We are not talking blocks. Every parking lot is a walking distance from the entrance, it be a doctor's office, a restaurant or a supermarket. None of these handicap spots are inches away from the door. What I'm trying to get across is if you are not using a walker or a wheelchair, park in a regular spot. It might be a few feet more steps, but it allows the people who need the extra space that the handicap spots offer to be use by the people who need it. When I pull into a regular spot with my wife, I make sure the driver side is almost on the line, so I have enough room to open the passenger door all the way and get the wheelchair in place without hitting the car next to her side.

[YeOldeCurmudgeon]

Not only that but how about the people who sit in their cars with the motor running when it's either too hot or a little cold playing with the cell phone. I saw a young person in the car next to where I parked one evening when I went shopping and I had to get a lot of things, so I was in there for a long time and it was still parked with the motor running. Believe that?

I also see lot of other people doing the same, maybe not as long but still. Imagine, the amount of gas being wasted?

[JMintzer]

If you are claiming that Florida has an effective screening system for issuing handicapped parking permits, I disagree.

Since I don't actively practice in FL (I DO have a FL license, though), I can't answer than.

But I CAN comment on what has happened in DC...

Regardless, ethics are ethics and ethics courses are required for license renewal...

[JMintzer]

We are not talking blocks. Every parking lot is a walking distance from the entrance, it be a doctor's office, a restaurant or a supermarket. None of these handicap spots are inches away from the door. What I'm trying to get across is if you are not using a walker or a wheelchair, park in a regular spot. It might be a few feet more steps, but it allows the people who need the extra space that the handicap spots offer to be use by the people who need it. When I pull into a regular spot with my wife, I make sure the driver side is almost on the line, so I have enough room to open the passenger door all the way and get the wheelchair in place without hitting the car next to her side.

"Inches" Hyperbole much? All you're doing is making up scenarios that are "easy" for a disabled person to navigate. Life is rarely "easy"...

And no, every parking lot is NOT "a walking distance" from anything...

Ever been to the squares, or the country clubs for dinner? My friend (who's wife MUST use a wheelchair at all times), almost always has to pull up to the restaurant, off load his wife into her wheelchair (where we, or someone else is waiting), and than go park his accessible vehicle in the lot behind the squares, several blocks away or across the (rather large) country club lot. If there happens to be a handicap space available, he'll use it.

That walk is difficult for him due to his back problems (which are exacerbated by caring for his disabled wife)...

But if the lot is empty, you're right... But we all know how often that happens...

[BobnBev]

My wife has advanced COPD, severe rheumatoid arthritis that keeps her in pain and mobility issues due to a back injury. She has a disabled placard. Sometimes I drive her to do her shopping and park in a disabled spot and she will walk to the store. She tries to do as much as she can physically and will walk back to the car, where I'm waiting, when she finishes shopping. Some days after walking around in the store her pain level and inability to breathe gets the best of her and she will call me on the phone and ask me to pick her up.
I advise any busy bodies to mind their own business and not approach me with their righteous attitude.

I agree with that last sentence. MYOB.

[fdpaq0580]

Just an "off the wall" thought. If Jesus was walking into Winn-Dixie and saw someone just hanging out in a handicapped space, would he ascertain if that person was using that space legit, or would he say to himself "keep walking J, it's none of you business?

[Blackbird45]

"Inches" Hyperbole much? All you're doing is making up scenarios that are "easy" for a disabled person to navigate. Life is rarely "easy"...

And no, every parking lot is NOT "a walking distance" from anything...

Ever been to the squares, or the country clubs for dinner? My friend (who's wife MUST use a wheelchair at all times), almost always has to pull up to the restaurant, off load his wife into her wheelchair (where we, or someone else is waiting), and than go park his accessible vehicle in the lot behind the squares, several blocks away or across the (rather large) country club lot. If there happens to be a handicap space available, he'll use it.

That walk is difficult for him due to his back problems (which are exacerbated by caring for his disabled wife)...

But if the lot is empty, you're right... But we all know how often that happens...

Let me tell you you're lucky, my wife and I have not been to a town square in over 5 years, she has not been in a supermarket in 5 years. In the past year she only been to one restaurant. The only time she gets out of the car is when I take her to the doctor. Today I had a PT come to my house and we both decided that I should buy an electric lift to get her out of bed. I purchased one by the time he left my driveway. You might not think I have the right to be irritated when I see a golf cart in a handicap spot, but there is a good chance by the end of this year that will no longer be a problem.

[Pairadocs]

"Inches" Hyperbole much? All you're doing is making up scenarios that are "easy" for a disabled person to navigate. Life is rarely "easy"...

And no, every parking lot is NOT "a walking distance" from anything...

Ever been to the squares, or the country clubs for dinner? My friend (who's wife MUST use a wheelchair at all times), almost always has to pull up to the restaurant, off load his wife into her wheelchair (where we, or someone else is waiting), and than go park his accessible vehicle in the lot behind the squares, several blocks away or across the (rather large) country club lot. If there happens to be a handicap space available, he'll use it.

That walk is difficult for him due to his back problems (which are exacerbated by caring for his disabled wife)...

But if the lot is empty, you're right... But we all know how often that happens...

Might as well save your breath (or in this case keystrokes !) when trying to explain a point to people, at times it's like trying to smell the number 7, it's just not possible !

[Pairadocs]

Worse yet in a restaurant. :22yikes:

Met friend for breakfast, let her decide the place, didn't matter to me. She chose a location near both our villages. Had our coffee and our order was in. Chatted as we waited for the food. Meals came for the table right next to us, RIGHT next to us, very crowded, popular spot. Didn't pay much attention, was deep into our conversation. Our food arrived and as we were getting the food settled, coffee refills, etc. I was shocked to see a DOG eating from a restaurant dish, provided by the server (she handed the extra dish to the customer as she put our food in front of us). As we attempted to eat, the couple and the DOG next to us shared their breakfast, the dog ate while sitting on the LAP of the woman/wife.

I kept trying to eat, and finally my friend asked, "are you okay ?", I nodded I was fine, just not particularly hungry. She asked "is that bothering you?" and made a slight nodding motion with her head, indicating the table of the threesome sharing breakfast. I didn't say a word, just nodded "yes". She offered to leave if I could not get through the meal, I nodded "no" and indicated I would get through it. We both had many dogs when we were raising our families, along with many other pets. When we left and were safely in the car, we both confessed we had never in all those years sat down and shared a meal AT a table with our families and our pets at the same time. Have not been back to that restaurant since. As we were leaving, noticed our same waitress brought a bowl of water for the dog after he/she ate her breakfast. The owner put the bowl down on the floor, and took the dog off her lap when he lapped the water...... I have no objection to people who really enjoy dinging with animals, I'm sure many enjoy those places. Wish I'd known ! Do did my friend, she had no idea when she made the suggestion !

[Pairadocs]

additionmHaving a handicapped sticker here in TV just means u have moved up on the Entitlement scale.

Personally, i park in the closest handicap spot and i dont have a placard. There arent enough police to enforce the rule.

If you are truly handicapped…just order stuff online.

Missing the "logic". Would it follow then that since there are not enough police to be everywhere, catch every violation, is it fine to speed ? Okay to shop lift a few things, maybe just small things ? Would it follow then that anyone can park in those spaces marked "police only", "curbside order pickup", and even areas near fire hydrants ? What about at the self checkouts in the grocery stores ? Is there are many more customers at stations than the one employee assigned to the area can watch at once, is it fine then to just slip an item or two you have NOT scanned, into the bag of the items you scanned ? It's all the same thing, it's a phenomenon called "situational ethics" and also known as circumstantial morality ? Size up the circumstances, if it looks like you won't get caught, go for it. It's certainly one perspective, fortunately not the prevailing one !

[JMintzer]

Let me tell you you're lucky, my wife and I have not been to a town square in over 5 years, she has not been in a supermarket in 5 years. In the past year she only been to one restaurant. The only time she gets out of the car is when I take her to the doctor. Today I had a PT come to my house and we both decided that I should buy an electric lift to get her out of bed. I purchased one by the time he left my driveway. You might not think I have the right to be irritated when I see a golf cart in a handicap spot, but there is a good chance by the end of this year that will no longer be a problem.

Sounds like you're agreeing with me...

[JMintzer]

additionm

Missing the "logic". Would it follow then that since there are not enough police to be everywhere, catch every violation, is it fine to speed ? Okay to shop lift a few things, maybe just small things ? Would it follow then that anyone can park in those spaces marked "police only", "curbside order pickup", and even areas near fire hydrants ? What about at the self checkouts in the grocery stores ? Is there are many more customers at stations than the one employee assigned to the area can watch at once, is it fine then to just slip an item or two you have NOT scanned, into the bag of the items you scanned ? It's all the same thing, it's a phenomenon called "situational ethics" and also known as circumstantial morality ? Size up the circumstances, if it looks like you won't get caught, go for it. It's certainly one perspective, fortunately not the prevailing one !

Methinks he's just being a "troll"...

[Number 10 GI]

Just an "off the wall" thought. If Jesus was walking into Winn-Dixie and saw someone just hanging out in a handicapped space, would he ascertain if that person was using that space legit, or would he say to himself "keep walking J, it's none of you business?

Just like in Iran, we need a Morality Police in TV to deal with all the sinners living here.

[TSO/ISPF]

eJust an "off the wall" thought. If Jesus was walking into Winn-Dixie and saw someone just hanging out in a handicapped space, would he ascertain if that person was using that space legit, or would he say to himself "keep walking J, it's none of you business?

In hindsight, I should have offered to hold the spot right next to him when I backed out so he could move over. Only one spot further away. He might not have become so incensed.

[coffeebean]

Having a handicapped sticker here in TV just means u have moved up on the Entitlement scale.

Personally, i park in the closest handicap spot and i dont have a placard. There arent enough police to enforce the rule.

If you are truly handicapped…just order stuff online.
This must be tongue in cheek. You can’t possibly be serious!

[fdpaq0580]

Sounds like you're agreeing with me...

In this instance, it is not about You!

[fdpaq0580]

This must be tongue in cheek. You can’t possibly be serious!

I did not take that as a joke. I think they meant that.

[fdpaq0580]

Let me tell you you're lucky, my wife and I have not been to a town square in over 5 years, she has not been in a supermarket in 5 years. In the past year she only been to one restaurant. The only time she gets out of the car is when I take her to the doctor. Today I had a PT come to my house and we both decided that I should buy an electric lift to get her out of bed. I purchased one by the time he left my driveway. You might not think I have the right to be irritated when I see a golf cart in a handicap spot, but there is a good chance by the end of this year that will no longer be a problem.

May the time you have together be blessed with love.

[fdpaq0580]

Met friend for breakfast, let her decide the place, didn't matter to me. She chose a location near both our villages. Had our coffee and our order was in. Chatted as we waited for the food. Meals came for the table right next to us, RIGHT next to us, very crowded, popular spot. Didn't pay much attention, was deep into our conversation. Our food arrived and as we were getting the food settled, coffee refills, etc. I was shocked to see a DOG eating from a restaurant dish, provided by the server (she handed the extra dish to the customer as she put our food in front of us). As we attempted to eat, the couple and the DOG next to us shared their breakfast, the dog ate while sitting on the LAP of the woman/wife.

I kept trying to eat, and finally my friend asked, "are you okay ?", I nodded I was fine, just not particularly hungry. She asked "is that bothering you?" and made a slight nodding motion with her head, indicating the table of the threesome sharing breakfast. I didn't say a word, just nodded "yes". She offered to leave if I could not get through the meal, I nodded "no" and indicated I would get through it. We both had many dogs when we were raising our families, along with many other pets. When we left and were safely in the car, we both confessed we had never in all those years sat down and shared a meal AT a table with our families and our pets at the same time. Have not been back to that restaurant since. As we were leaving, noticed our same waitress brought a bowl of water for the dog after he/she ate her breakfast. The owner put the bowl down on the floor, and took the dog off her lap when he lapped the water...... I have no objection to people who really enjoy dinging with animals, I'm sure many enjoy those places. Wish I'd known ! Do did my friend, she had no idea when she made the suggestion !

I would have left immediately.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

If a spouse wants to wait up close for an ailing loved one, it's fine with me.

If it's the disabled person driving, and dropping off their able-bodied spouse to do the shopping for them, then that disabled driver has no need for a handicap spot at all. They can park anywhere in the parking lot.

I also see people who will stop their cars in front of a stop sign - not pull over, just stop. And hold up traffic while they let someone out of the car.

I ALSO once actually saw someone stop in front of the golf cart path that leads into the golf cart parking area in front of the Sakura restaurant in Plaza Grande West (the shopping plaza adjacent to Spanish Springs Town Square). They actually BLOCKED the entrance to the golf cart area, so no carts could get in or out. She then opened the passenger side door and got an older woman out. She THEN went to the back of her car and got a transport chair, and left the car there while rolling the lady in the transport chair into the restaurant. And then she got back to her car, and parked it in a parking space.

Why she couldn't put the woman on the seat and rolled her into the restaurant from the parking space, I dunno. It was insanely inconsiderate. It was around 10 minutes of holding people hostage who had parked in there already, and blocking anyone else from getting in.

[fdpaq0580]

If it's the disabled person driving, and dropping off their able-bodied spouse to do the shopping for them, then that disabled driver has no need for a handicap spot at all. They can park anywhere in the parking lot.

I also see people who will stop their cars in front of a stop sign - not pull over, just stop. And hold up traffic while they let someone out of the car.

I ALSO once actually saw someone stop in front of the golf cart path that leads into the golf cart parking area in front of the Sakura restaurant in Plaza Grande West (the shopping plaza adjacent to Spanish Springs Town Square). They actually BLOCKED the entrance to the golf cart area, so no carts could get in or out. She then opened the passenger side door and got an older woman out. She THEN went to the back of her car and got a transport chair, and left the car there while rolling the lady in the transport chair into the restaurant. And then she got back to her car, and parked it in a parking space.

Why she couldn't put the woman on the seat and rolled her into the restaurant from the parking space, I dunno. It was insanely inconsiderate. It was around 10 minutes of holding people hostage who had parked in there already, and blocking anyone else from getting in.

Some people are just plain old self serving ess-oh-bees. Others are not necessarily evil, just oblivious or clueless.

[JMintzer]

In this instance, it is not about You!

Well, since they quoted me in their response, I beg to differ...

[billethkid]

ITSA RETIREMENT COMMUNITY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(excluding fakes, entitled and wannabes).

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[RobbyHarris]

I agree. And, almost anyone can get a doctor to issue a handicap permit, and there is no enforcement on the issuing of permits.


Around here, it seems that all parking spaces should be “handicapped spaces” and non-handicap spaces should require the permit because it seems that 85.32% of the people here have handicap plates.

[Jerseygirl08]

I agree. And, almost anyone can get a doctor to issue a handicap permit, and there is no enforcement on the issuing of permits. I agree also. However, I notice in The Villages most people want to walk the distance even if they have a handicap. I park as far away as I can to get in extra steps. I think if the able bodied people parked a distance away it would free up spaces for those who are elderly and/or somewhat handicapped. It is the considerate thing to do. Wouldn't it be nice if we, as a nation, started thinking of others first rather than our own selves??? I wish we could all do that.