Bicyclist Killed on Hillsborough Trail

[NoMo50]

"SUMTER COUNTY, Florida—An 80-year-old bicyclist was killed after a golf cart turned into his path Friday morning, according to the Florida Highway Patrol.

The Villages man was riding his bicycle westbound on the Hillsborough Trail shortly before 8:30 a.m. when a golf cart being driven by a 69-year-old woman of Rochester, New York, turned left at the intersection of Ichabod Way, directly in his path. The golf cart driver was unable to see the man due to the glare of the early morning sun, FHP Sgt. Steve Gaskins said in a press release.

The bicyclist struck the golf cart, was thrown into the road and seriously injured. He was transported to a local hospital, where he succumbed to his injuries; the golf cart driver was not hurt, Gaskins said."

Just a reminder for everyone to be careful out there.

[Michael 61]

This story is horrific - be careful out there, and drive defensively, always assuming another car/golf cart could do something crazy at any moment.

[dewilson58]

Sad

[wisbad1]

Will she face any charges?

[New Englander]

I gave up riding a bike in TV a long time ago after almost being hit head on by a golf cart. He never even slowed down as he went by me.

[Waterlemon Cay]

Lights and mirrors at all times! So unfortunate.

[VApeople]

I gave up riding a bike in TV a long time ago

You are a wise young man.

We love to ride our bikes on the walking/biking paths in the Southern Area but we stay away from any place that allows carts or cars.

[retiredguy123]

I don't know which would be worse, being on a bicycle and getting hit by a golf cart, or being in a golf cart and getting hit by an SUV or a truck. So, I don't ride a bike or a golf cart.

[LuvNH]

He got to 80 yrs old and then was killed in such a way. If she could not see due to the morning sun, she should have been going at a very slow pace or at least be stopped to check for traffic. Heartbreaking for his [wife] family.

[VApeople]

she should have been going at a very slow pace or at least be stopped to check for traffic.

What does it mean to "be spotted"?

[dannymac54]

What does it mean to "be spotted"?

It means to have spots.

[brianherlihy]

bicycle dont stop for cars or golf carts so get hit

[fdpaq0580]

bicycle dont stop for cars or golf carts so get hit

He likely had the right of way since it was reported that she turned into his path. Bike did the hitting, this time. Very sad this old man died. Condolences from us both, I'm sure.

[tuccillo]

It appears that he was "left hooked" - he had the right of way. I know people who have been "left hooked" and I have personally seen people "right hooked". The people that were hit were not at fault. Stupid comment by you.

bicycle dont stop for cars or golf carts so get hit

[fdpaq0580]

It appears that he was "left hooked" - he had the right of way. I know people who have been "left hooked" and I have personally seen people "right hooked". The people that were hit were not at fault. Stupid comment by you.

Correct. When I approach any intersection, I lean up and back while checking for anything that might be traveling in any of the blindspots. Folks often have no idea of vehicles approaching at right angles that are completely hidden by the windshield frame and roof supports.

[mazbarth]

I'm see so many people & bicycles walking in the middle of roads, & facing the wrong direction.
These common-sense rules have stood the test of time, so why just disregard them?
I hope the lady is charged.

[Topgun 1776]

And then the person goes to jail...or, loses everything in a civil suit... because cyclists have the same rights to public roads or MMP as vehicles or anyone else.

[jimbomaybe]

I'm see so many people & bicycles walking in the middle of roads, & facing the wrong direction.
These common-sense rules have stood the test of time, so why just disregard them?
I hope the lady is charged.
Multi modal paths are very dangerous, by putting pedestrians bicyclists and golf carts in such close proximity creates a hazardous situation, not building sidewalks saves costs for the developer, but golf carts are a popular way to get around, perhaps I am wrong but is there any enforcement of rules of use on the paths? A lawsuit is almost a certainty , why would the victims family and attorney not see the developer as a co defendant ?

[Paul1934]

When driving cart late day when sun angle is blinding, I always put my windscreen down to enhance visibility. Rather kiss a couple bugs than a cart car or jogger.

[RedWingNut]

Like it or not the driver should be charged for vehicular homocide and prosecuted to the full extend of the law. Who in their right mind pulls out into traffic without making sure the path is 100% clear. If you can’t see, don’t move until you can

[russtcc]

I wish walkers would always walk facing traffic on any surface be it cars, golf carts or bicycles. i don't understand not wanting to see what's coming at you.

[WingedFoot78]

Bikes don't stop for anybody it seems.

[jswirs]

Bikes don't stop for anybody it seems. Such a short-sighted, illogical, completely false statement. Even at the age of being a senior, I still remain amazed at the lack of intelligence and lack of social skills some folks display.

[tuccillo]

The accident happened on the road, not an MMP.

Multi modal paths are very dangerous, by putting pedestrians bicyclists and golf carts in such close proximity creates a hazardous situation, not building sidewalks saves costs for the developer, but golf carts are a popular way to get around, perhaps I am wrong but is there any enforcement of rules of use on the paths? A lawsuit is almost a certainty , why would the victims family and attorney not see the developer as a co defendant ?

[toeser]

There but for the grace of God go I. I have had so many close calls, it's absurd. 95% of the golf cart drivers are fine. Maybe 3% could use some improvement and 2% should be banned.

The worst are those who drive around 90 degree blind corners on the wrong side of the trail. What is wrong with these people? They could just as easily cause a golf cart smash-up as hit a bicycle. I could go on with multiple examples, but I guess most of you have seen them as well.

[MidWestIA]

I always here this happens when they hit their head - use a seat belt

[Windguy]

This is the second person from our club to be hit in the early morning. Both drivers that hit them said they had been blinded by the sun. I won’t ride when the sun is low.

[jswirs]

I always here this happens when they hit their head - use a seat belt

Do you mean use a "helmet"? BTW, it is "hear" not here.

[bluecenturian]

What charges do you expect. It’s a traffic violation at best for fail to yield. Nothing in this information would come close to supporting criminal charges. It’s an accident, yes a tragic one but still an accident. There is civil liability but nothing criminal by no means.

[Worldseries27]

Cars have anti collision technology. Hope they get to work on them for gc
rip villager

[bluecenturian]

With all the legal background you must have please enlighten us what charges you would bring based on the current statutes and not you opinion.

[Michael 61]

New resident here - really would like to buy a bike, but am second guessing my decision whether to or not - I don’t know if I would feel safe riding on the streets and paths of The Villages.

[dewilson58]

New resident here - really would like to buy a bike, but am second guessing my decision whether to or not - I don’t know if I would feel safe riding on the streets and paths of The Villages.

I feel very safe riding on the streets, but "you" have to be aware & alert, not listening to music and be young enough to react quickly if needed.

AND

Don't ignore traffic signs.

[bluecenturian]

I am a regular bicyclist and ride 25+ miles 3-4 times a week and feel That is a completely ignorant and plain stupid statement. Try reading the statute before you make such a ridiculous comment. No way you can argue depraved indifference in this situation.

[Fastskiguy]

A guy is just riding along hillsborough having a wonderful morning and taken out by somebody else's mistake, so sad.

Joe

[VApeople]

I don’t know if I would feel safe riding on the streets and paths of The Villages.

We are going bike riding today on some of the beautiful walking/biking paths, but we will not ride on any street or path that allows cars or golf carts because it is much too dangerous.

[Bill14564]

New resident here - really would like to buy a bike, but am second guessing my decision whether to or not - I don’t know if I would feel safe riding on the streets and paths of The Villages.

Buy one and enjoy the good weather and miles of flat roads and paths.

You won't know whether you will feel safe until you try it. While accidents get a lot of attention on these boards and certainly are tragic for those involved, when compared to the number of riders and cumulative miles they are rare. Obey the traffic laws and maybe avoid riding when the sun is low in the sky and you will reduce the chances of having a problem.

My biggest concern the few times I ride is the chance I might not notice a car behind me as I move into the lane to make a left turn; a mirror helps with that. Otherwise, I feel as safe on a bike as I do on foot.

[Chamo]

How sad you people make a tragedy into a joke comments. A man lost his life and all you can do is make fun with your stupid jokes. It’s an article just telling you to be aware and your stupidness comes out right away so disrespectful. Enjoy your time above ground.

[dtennent]

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[Bill14564]

How sad you people make a tragedy into a joke comments. A man lost his life and all you can do is make fun with your stupid jokes. It’s an article just telling you to be aware and your stupidness comes out right away so disrespectful. Enjoy your time above ground.

What in the world are you talking about??

You really need to include the comment you are replying to. I just looked back over the previous 37 comments and didn't see one joke in there.

[joeymanko]

This is so tragic, to see a bicyclist killed while on a golf cart path. As an avid rider, I see scenarios like this every day. I will never ride on the street, as it is even worse. However, when I am on the golf cart path, it is always evident that, a LOT of Golf Cart Drivers HATE BICYCLISTS. They get right up on your rear, they pass nearly knocking you over, and when a golf cart path separates, and becomes a narrow one-way section, they hate it because theymust stay behind you for 30 seconds.

I wish something could be done about this. It is even worse when people let their grandkids drive their golf carts under the age of 16.

They posted regulation speed of a golf cart should not exceed 20 mph. It is very rare that anyone goes under 20! I would bet also speed may have had something to do with this accident, despite being on a turn!

[dewilson58]

This is so tragic, to see a bicyclist killed while on a golf cart path. .

???

[Bilyclub]

This is so tragic, to see a bicyclist killed while on a golf cart path. As an avid rider, I see scenarios like this every day. I will never ride on the street, as it is even worse. However, when I am on the golf cart path, it is always evident that, a LOT of Golf Cart Drivers HATE BICYCLISTS. They get right up on your rear, they pass nearly knocking you over, and when a golf cart path separates, and becomes a narrow one-way section, they hate it because theymust stay behind you for 30 seconds.

I wish something could be done about this. It is even worse when people let their grandkids drive their golf carts under the age of 16.

They posted regulation speed of a golf cart should not exceed 20 mph. It is very rare that anyone goes under 20! I would bet also speed had something to do with this accident.

???



Yep, it's too hard to read every post in a 3 page thread. This was on Hillsborough Trail which is a STREET.

[brianherlihy]

bicks dont have to stop just go right along pull right in front of you

[dewilson58]

What in the world are you talking about?? You really need to include the comment you are replying to. I just looked back over the previous 37 comments and didn't see one joke in there.

Chamo posts:

OMG this is what I moved here for.

Complain complain complain that’s all I read here. If you don’t like it move. Life is too short and are cases even shorter.

People are never satisfied if your not complaining about something your not happy.

Here we go again the idiots come out bashing service dogs in stores & restaurants. Anything to voice their opinion in threads

Omg why are you asking for opinions from others when the only one that counts is yours.

All I can say is do your homework it’s easy enough now.

When does it end?

OMG people grow some thicker skin.

:cryin2::cryin2::cryin2:

[kendi]

He got to 80 yrs old and then was killed in such a way. If she could not see due to the morning sun, she should have been going at a very slow pace or at least be stopped to check for traffic. Heartbreaking for his [wife] family.

Someone’s always gotta play the blame game.

[Steve]

What does it mean to "be spotted"?

You identify as a leopard!

[bragones]

Yep, it's too hard to read every post in a 3 page thread. This was on Hillsborough Trail which is a STREET.

Not to mention that the "Golf Cart Path" is a Multi Modal path. I have logged thousands of miles on a bicycle in TV with no accidents and very few minor close calls. Most golf cart drivers have been courteous and friendly as have I, always yielding to them and giving them room to pass when safe. But I digress....this is indeed a tragic situation and accident. Always be aware of your surroundings. Condolences to all parties.

[Carlsondm]

I wish walkers would always walk facing traffic on any surface be it cars, golf carts or bicycles. i don't understand not wanting to see what's coming at you.
Many walkers do face traffic, until something comes at them. Then they move to a safer spot which may be the other side of the path or grass. Walkers and bikers can use the paths, as well as carts. Courtesy please.

[LonnyP]

So very sad, she simply was in her own little world trying to hurry home and not looking out in a safe manor. Feel terrible for the victim's family. He makes it to 80 and clearly had years left and the miss I'm in a hurry to get home took the remainder of time from him.

[mike234]

This story is horrific - be careful out there, and drive defensively, always assuming another car/golf cart could do something crazy at any moment.
definatly the cart drivers fault......but the guy on the bike, should not have trusted anyone while riding a bike........if you bike riders, and cart drivers, trust anyone on the road, you are soon to be doomed..........

[Gerrir]

There are certain times of the day when the glare of the sun on the windshield blinds the driver from seeing what is coming in the lane where the sun is setting… the windshield blockers don’t help. So sorry to hear about this tragedy for both rider and driver. 😢

[NoMo50]

After reading many of the comments following my original post, a few clarifying remarks may be in order:

1. The crash happened on a street, not a MMP.
2. It occurred around 8:30am, not pm. Therefore, the sun was rising, not setting.
3. The bicyclist, at the location of the crash, had 100% the right of way.
4. Despite how anyone feels about bicyclists in general, this particular individual had no obligation to yield to the golf cart, whatsoever.
5. The cart driver, claiming the sun was in her eyes, has an excuse, but not a defense.

You can easily picture this crash in your mind's eye. The bicyclist is riding westbound on HillsboroughTrail, with the sun to his back. The cart driver is driving eastbound, into the rising sun. The cart driver makes a left turn at Ichabod Way, directly into the path of the bicyclist. The cyclist runs into the golf cart, resulting in fatal injuries. The cart driver may have an excuse for why she failed to see the cyclist, but she does not have an affirmative defense. It was her obligation to yield the right of way to oncoming traffic, and she failed to do so.

Some on this forum have questioned whether criminal charges can/will be brought. One poster even adamantly stated criminal charges are not possible, as this was simply an accident. Not true. Under Florida law, the cart driver can be charged with Manslaughter, a 2nd degree felony, by causing the death of another person through culpable negligence.

Will charges be filed? Who knows. It certainly won't be decided by people on a public forum. One thing, though, is a near certainty...the driver of that golf cart will be sued into oblivion for her careless actions. The law firms are, no doubt, already lining up to take this case.

[LuvNH]

What charges do you expect. It’s a traffic violation at best for fail to yield. Nothing in this information would come close to supporting criminal charges. It’s an accident, yes a tragic one but still an accident. There is civil liability but nothing criminal by no means.

Yes it is an accident, a preventable accident, but the driver of the golf cart did not stop. Does anyone know if there is a stop sign at this intersection, if there is the golf cart will be at fault and a civil suit will clean up. You cannot go around killing people and saying "oh sorry the sun was in my eyes". Anyone with any sense would have stopped or been more cautious if the sun was in their eyes and they could not see. She could have made a left turn in front of a car and been killed, instead it was a defenseless cyclist.

I get the impression from saying she is from New Jersey that she is a renter .... well she will remember this winter for a long time.

[MX rider]

This is so tragic. This guy was out being active, doing what he loved and living his best life. I feel bad for his family. Prayers to them.

But life is full of risk. I still mountain bike and ride motocross, and I'm a life long motorcycle rider. I sold my Harley 7 years ago just for this reason. Too many distracted/bad drivers out there. It just took the fun out of it.

I always assumed cars were going to turn in front of me or pull out in front of me, so I would let off and be ready to to take evasive action. That got old.

Now we stick to riding in the dirt. Still a risk, but we don't have to worry about bad drivers. Which unfortunately there are too many of those here.

My wife and I do ride our mountain bikes around TV some, but we ride defensevly as much as possible. Although I have to admit I worry about getting hit from behind when we ride in the golf cart lane.

[Bill14564]

Yes it is an accident, a preventable accident, but the driver of the golf cart did not stop. Does anyone know if there is a stop sign at this intersection, if there is the golf cart will be at fault and a civil suit will clean up. You cannot go around killing people and saying "oh sorry the sun was in my eyes". Anyone with any sense would have stopped or been more cautious if the sun was in their eyes and they could not see. She could have made a left turn in front of a car and been killed, instead it was a defenseless cyclist.

I get the impression from saying she is from New Jersey that she is a renter .... well she will remember this winter for a long time.

Perhaps (re?)reading the article would help avoid the errors in this post.

[villagetinker]

New resident here - really would like to buy a bike, but am second guessing my decision whether to or not - I don’t know if I would feel safe riding on the streets and paths of The Villages.

I have a very nice (but dusty) 21 speed bike that I am planning on selling, 26 inch as I recall, not planning on doing any more bike riding.

[JMintzer]

Multi modal paths are very dangerous, by putting pedestrians bicyclists and golf carts in such close proximity creates a hazardous situation, not building sidewalks saves costs for the developer, but golf carts are a popular way to get around, perhaps I am wrong but is there any enforcement of rules of use on the paths? A lawsuit is almost a certainty , why would the victims family and attorney not see the developer as a co defendant ?

Because the accident occurred on Hillsborough Trail, and not on an MMP?

[JMintzer]

Bikes don't stop for anybody it seems.

The bike rider had the right of way...

[JMintzer]

I always here this happens when they hit their head - use a seat belt

Bicycles have seatbelts?

[dewilson58]

Bicycles have seatbelts?

She is from Iowa.

:1rotfl::1rotfl:

[JMintzer]

I am a regular bicyclist and ride 25+ miles 3-4 times a week and feel That is a completely ignorant and plain stupid statement. Try reading the statute before you make such a ridiculous comment. No way you can argue depraved indifference in this situation.

It helps if you quote the "ignorant and plain stupid statement", so we know to whom you're responding...

[JMintzer]

bicks dont have to stop just go right along pull right in front of you

Well, considering that is not what happened, why post it?

[JMintzer]

Someone’s always gotta play the blame game.

Well, it WAS her fault, so...

[JMintzer]

Yes it is an accident, a preventable accident, but the driver of the golf cart did not stop. Does anyone know if there is a stop sign at this intersection, if there is the golf cart will be at fault and a civil suit will clean up. You cannot go around killing people and saying "oh sorry the sun was in my eyes". Anyone with any sense would have stopped or been more cautious if the sun was in their eyes and they could not see. She could have made a left turn in front of a car and been killed, instead it was a defenseless cyclist.

I get the impression from saying she is from New Jersey that she is a renter .... well she will remember this winter for a long time.

Or, a part time resident...

[ThirdOfFive]

What charges do you expect. It’s a traffic violation at best for fail to yield. Nothing in this information would come close to supporting criminal charges. It’s an accident, yes a tragic one but still an accident. There is civil liability but nothing criminal by no means.
There are very few "accidents". A deer jumping unexpectedly into your path, in a way that avoiding hitting it is impossible, while you are traveling at or below the speed limit is an accident. A meteorite hitting your car is an accident. A tree limb falling on your car (yes, it has happened) is an accident. You get the picture. But any occurrence that causes damage or injury, caused by either an error of omission or commission on the part of one (or more) of those involved is NOT an accident. And given the circumstances it can be, and very often is, a crime.

This woman was driving while circumstances prevented her from getting a clear view of anything that could possibly lead to an incident. The "circumstance" was the sun and the "incident" lead to a death. It was this woman's responsibility to see what was ahead or just to the side of her. She knowingly (and admittedly) kept on driving during a time when the circumstance made this impossible. She SHOULD have pulled over and done something to assure that she COULD see what was there. She did not.

This was no accident.

[Pairadocs]

This story is horrific - be careful out there, and drive defensively, always assuming another car/golf cart could do something crazy at any moment.

Sadly, these kinds of needless tragedies serve to "wake up" a "few" people for 24 hours (maybe), then most go back to their life time routines. So sad, so AVOIDABLE !

[ThirdOfFive]

We are going bike riding today on some of the beautiful walking/biking paths, but we will not ride on any street or path that allows cars or golf carts because it is much too dangerous.
Don't let complacency put you in danger. Just because golf carts are "not allowed" somewhere doesn't mean that they won't be there. I've seen 'em trying to navigate roundabouts where only cars are allowed, and saw one this morning tooling merrily along on a street that had a prominent sign posted where the cart had to have entered the street "no golf carts allowed beyond this point".

The biggest danger here, in my opinion, is that all too many times we are not dealing with scofflaws, but with people behind the wheel of an automobile or golf cart, or even on the seat of a bicycle, who may be the most well-intentioned people on the planet but who have been robbed by the inevitable advances of age of the ability to adequately and safely pilot their vehicle on our roads, streets or paths.

[fdpaq0580]

Or, a part time resident...

Doesn't seem to matter. You could be born somewhere else and moved to Fla the next day. Technically, you are from "away" and will never really be "one of us".

[Pairadocs]

There are certain times of the day when the glare of the sun on the windshield blinds the driver from seeing what is coming in the lane where the sun is setting… the windshield blockers don’t help. So sorry to hear about this tragedy for both rider and driver. 😢

What you commented is true ! While there is usually some way (visor adjustment, good non glare sunglasses, etc.) to escape extreme glare at certain times of the day and the direction, I normally consider myself more aware of defensive driving than the average, but had a very close call with a gate arm a couple years ago due to glare. Don't even assume "it can't happen to me" ! Yesterday (Sat.) driving car to Brownwood farmer's market, I was struck by the numbers of cyclists who ride in huge packs, 4, and at times even more riding side by side on the Buena Vista Speedway. Of course this is all legal, but in one morning saw two very close calls... same old, same old.... trucks with one and two trailers attached, intentionally swinging over the center lines, speeding around packs of cyclists... Don't known, I guess I expect too much in a LIFESTYLE, RETIREMENT, community, that ENCOURAGES cycling, walking, in-line skating for health reasons. Many retail and service people don't even realize they are in such a community, 55 mph not at all unusual !

[Bill14564]

Seen several posts stating the woman should have stopped and waited until she could see. Nice thought, not workable. It would take what, 20 minutes for the sun to climb high enough to no longer be in her eyes? She would/could have been ticketed for obstructing traffic by parking in the driving lane.

Could something have been done to avoid the collision/accident? Probably, but we don't have the detailed information necessary to determine what that might be. At this point we can keep this in mind the next time we are blinded by the sun and leave the charges and the verdicts up to the prosecutors, lawyers, and juries.

[VApeople]

Just because golf carts are "not allowed" somewhere doesn't mean that they won't be there.

I very seldom have encountered a golf cart on one of the walking/biking trails. When it happens, my wife and I stand in their way and tell them to turn around and get off the trail.

We did that twice to one couple on two different trails. The second time, the guy didn't like it so he got out of the cart to challenge me face-to-face. I didn't move and I asked my wife to call the police, so then he got back in his cart, turned around, and drove away.

In my opinion, the problem is because The Villages did not initially put in poles blocking the carts from the walking trails and cart drivers got used to driving on the trails. In the newer sections like Newell and Lake Denham, they now put in the poles as soon as they put the roads in, so the cart drivers know they are not allowed on those trails.

[Velvet]

Seen several posts stating the woman should have stopped and waited until she could see. Nice thought, not workable. It would take what, 20 minutes for the sun to climb high enough to no longer be in her eyes? She would/could have been ticketed for obstructing traffic by parking in the driving lane.

Could something have been done to avoid the collision/accident? Probably, but we don't have the detailed information necessary to determine what that might be. At this point we can keep this in mind the next time we are blinded by the sun and leave the charges and the verdicts up to the prosecutors, lawyers, and juries.

If I can’t see and must go forwards (for whatever reason) then I would approach like a blind person, because with the sun in my eyes in fact, that’s what I am! Cautiously, inch by inch and if I’m still ok, some more. This way IF I hit something it is just a touch, and if someone can see me, they can swerve.

[Bill14564]

If I can’t see and must go forwards (for whatever reason) then I would approach like a blind person, because with the sun in my eyes in fact, that’s what I am! Cautiously, inch by inch and if I’m still ok, some more. This way IF I hit something it is just a touch, and if someone can see me, they can swerve.

Perhaps this is what the golf cart driver did. We don't know. We know there was a collision but we don't have the detailed information necessary to know how it could have been avoided.

[JMintzer]

If I can’t see and must go forwards (for whatever reason) then I would approach like a blind person, because with the sun in my eyes in fact, that’s what I am! Cautiously, inch by inch and if I’m still ok, some more. This way IF I hit something it is just a touch, and if someone can see me, they can swerve.

I couldn't have said it better...

[JMintzer]

Perhaps this is what the golf cart driver did. We don't know. We know there was a collision but we don't have the detailed information necessary to know how it could have been avoided.

Doubtful... Because if the driver had slowed to a crawl, the bike rider could have slowed down and/or avoided her...

[jimbomaybe]

[QUOTE=JMintzer;2201547]Because the accident occurred on Hillsborough Trail, and not on an MMP?[/QUOTE

I stand corrected,, I was previously told about this by a friend who told me it happened on a MMP

[dnobles]

It’s sad for his family and also sad for the lady. It was an accident. She will never get over it.

[rustyp]

"SUMTER COUNTY, Florida—An 80-year-old bicyclist was killed after a golf cart turned into his path Friday morning, according to the Florida Highway Patrol.

The Villages man was riding his bicycle westbound on the Hillsborough Trail shortly before 8:30 a.m. when a golf cart being driven by a 69-year-old woman of Rochester, New York, turned left at the intersection of Ichabod Way, directly in his path. The golf cart driver was unable to see the man due to the glare of the early morning sun, FHP Sgt. Steve Gaskins said in a press release.

The bicyclist struck the golf cart, was thrown into the road and seriously injured. He was transported to a local hospital, where he succumbed to his injuries; the golf cart driver was not hurt, Gaskins said."

Just a reminder for everyone to be careful out there.

Wow how fast was this cyclist going to result in death ? Did he have a helmet and /or other protective gear on ? How about one of those flashing headlights like they use on motorcycles ? Did he see the cart driver merge from the cart lane into the car lane before the turn took place ? Perhaps he was wearing earphones and listening to tunes.

Two sides to every coin as the attorneys will now litigate.

[Larchap49]

Such a short-sighted, illogical, completely false statement. Even at the age of being a senior, I still remain amazed at the lack of intelligence and lack of social skills some folks display.

But the statement is mostly correct and you are out of line. A large portion of bicycle riders me included skirt the laws because stopping and restarting a bicycle is harder (especially for the quasi professionals with the shoes clipped into the pedals) sooooo they glance over their shoulders and proceed through intersections or stops signs. Everyone sees it so drop the indignant attitude.

[dnobles]

It’s sad for his family and also sad for the lady. It was an accident. She will never get over it.

[Bill14564]

Doubtful... Because if the driver had slowed to a crawl, the bike rider could have slowed down and/or avoided her...

Doubtful, yes, but not impossible.

(Any further speculation/explanation on my part would be taken as inconsiderate)

[fdpaq0580]

I couldn't have said it better...

Disagree. If I see someone who appears to be looking at me and is inching forward, my first thought is that they can see me and have decided to go behind me and they are gaging speed and distance.
I no longer ride bikes or motorcycles after witnessing a few incidents involving cars. The first words the car drivers said was almost always, "I never even saw him".
One case, I was in my car southbound on PCH , south of Huntington Beach, CA. Warm, bright day just about noon. Bright yellow HD, bright safety vest and helmet, lights on, just ahead of me. Woman in Cadillac gaging traffic. Had eye contact with her when she floored it to beat the traffic. T-boned the rider and dragged him under. First words out of her mouth? I never even saw him.
That was 50 years ago. I still wake-up sweating

[gighilton]

This story is horrific - be careful out there, and drive defensively, always assuming another car/golf cart could do something crazy at any moment. Yes and golf carts have to dodge walkers and bikers in the fog going north.. maybe its not the carts???

[fdpaq0580]

Yes and golf carts have to dodge walkers and bikers in the fog going north.. maybe its not the carts???

Or, maybe, well, you know.

[JMintzer]

[QUOTE=JMintzer;2201547]Because the accident occurred on Hillsborough Trail, and not on an MMP?[/QUOTE

I stand corrected,, I was previously told about this by a friend who told me it happened on a MMP

Please... Sit... Take a load off! ;)

[VApeople]

A large portion of bicycle riders me included skirt the laws because stopping and restarting a bicycle is harder (especially for the quasi professionals with the shoes clipped into the pedals) sooooo they glance over their shoulders and proceed through intersections or stops signs.

You can ride your bike however you please, but if you have a stop sign, I expect you to stop. I'm not looking out for you. If you don't stop and I hit you, you will probably get more injuries than I will.

[JMintzer]

Wow how fast was this cyclist going to result in death ? Did he have a helmet and /or other protective gear on ? How about one of those flashing headlights like they use on motorcycles ? Did he see the cart driver merge from the cart lane into the car lane before the turn took place ? Perhaps he was wearing earphones and listening to tunes.

Two sides to every coin as the attorneys will now litigate.

None of that matters as he was hit by the golf cart driver who turned in front of the cyclist and caused the accident...

According to reports, the cyclist was driving straight on Hillsborough and the cart driver turned in front of him, not seeing him due to being "blinded by the sun" (her words).

Even if he WAS wearing a helmet, he still could have died from the trauma.

It happened at 8:30 am, so it wasn't dark...

Ear buds would have changed anything, since the cart driver "didn't see him" so how could music play a role?

To me, it sounds like you're making excuses for the cart driver...

[fdpaq0580]

But the statement is mostly correct and you are out of line. A large portion of bicycle riders me included skirt the laws because stopping and restarting a bicycle is harder (especially for the quasi professionals with the shoes clipped into the pedals) sooooo they glance over their shoulders and proceed through intersections or stops signs. Everyone sees it so drop the indignant attitude.

Dear Bicycle Rider,
I have a great deal of admiration for the folks that are serious riders. The workout you get is great and the comradury is great. Many belong to clubs and travel many miles on public roads. These roads and the vehicles that travel on them (bicycles included) are supposed to obey all the laws applicable to the mode of transport. This includes stopping and putting your foot down, if need be. Reminder, unless you are part of some sanctioned event with safety escorts blocking traffic for you and clearing your way, you are just another vehicle on the road, and the most likely to be injured in a collision. I used to ride motorcycles with large groups. I imagine the fun with bikes is similar. Still, you are the most vulnerable vehicle on the road. Respect the danger. Never get cocky or complacent or assume that others will defer to you or ever see you. Have fun, but ride like your life depends on it, because it does.
PS: Starting from a dead stop is hard. It takes added effort and burns more calories. Consider it an essential part of your workout.

[Nucky]

Sorry for everyone involved. What a disaster for everyone.

I had an experience that same morning where I had to be in Leesburg at 8 AM and the route along 44 was horrendous because of the sun. I will try never to schedule anything in that direction at that time of the day. We made it without incident but I finally saw firsthand the unbelievable blinding while driving with the sun directly in my eyes. I also got a small taste of the fog that I've been getting text messages about for years from Accuweather. We usually schedule in the afternoon. Don't have a clue why I accepted an appointment so early during "Rush Hour". :1rotfl: I will try to not be on the road at that time ever again.

I feel sorry for the lady who was driving the Golf Cart but even worse for the man who passed away RIP Sir! A real shame. If the sun is as bad as what I experienced I know it won't take the lady's pain away and bring the gentleman back but it really was an ACCIDENT, not an on purpose!

[Worldseries27]

a guy is just riding along hillsborough having a wonderful morning and taken out by somebody else's mistake, so sad.

Joe
the law of averages

[rustyp]

None of that matters as he was hit by the golf cart driver who turned in front of the cyclist and caused the accident...

According to reports, the cyclist was driving straight on Hillsborough and the cart driver turned in front of him, not seeing him due to being "blinded by the sun" (her words).

Even if he WAS wearing a helmet, he still could have died from the trauma.

It happened at 8:30 am, so it wasn't dark...

Ear buds would have changed anything, since the cart driver "didn't see him" so how could music play a role?

To me, it sounds like you're making excuses for the cart driver...

Correction - the cyclist hit the golf cart according to the article

[Jcicales]

You are a wise young man.

We love to ride our bikes on the walking/biking paths in the Southern Area but we stay away from any place that allows carts or cars.
Just One of many reasons people are flocking to the southern area- fabulous walking/biking only paths. And even they are busy but at least a little safer than the streets or golf cart paths.

[westernrider75]

We are going bike riding today on some of the beautiful walking/biking paths, but we will not ride on any street or path that allows cars or golf carts because it is much too dangerous.

Doesn’t that limit you? It seems most paths are multi modal with very few being bike and walk only.

[Rainger99]

Doesn’t that limit you?

It clearly limits us but it makes riding much safer.

[DARFAP]

The sun glare in the morning and evening is extremely hazardous. I make absolutely sure it is clear before I make a turn that will cut across traffic flow. Sometimes that is a challenge.

[VApeople]

Doesn’t that limit you? It seems most paths are multi modal with very few being bike and walk only.

In the Southern Area, there are a few multi-modal paths, but there are many more walking/biking paths.

Yesterday we went on a long (for us) bike ride in Newell and Lake Denham. The paths around the lakes in Newell were good but they were separated from each other, so we had to ride along the roads for a short distance. The path in Lake Denham is only half-finished but it is wonderful as it winds around the lakes. We saw where the other part of the path will start, but it is just dirt, so we did not ride along it. We have looked at the plan for that path and it looks very, very interesting.

Then we rode along the walking/biking path beside Meggison back to where we parked at Homestead, then went into the pool, ate our Jersey Mikes sandwich, and swam around for awhile. All in all, a very nice day in The Villages.

[JMintzer]

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Correction - the cyclist hit the golf cart according to the article

Makes no difference. The golf cart still made an illegal left turn into the path of the bike rider...

[rrtjp]

Do you mean use a "helmet"? BTW, it is "hear" not here.

He was indeed wearing a helmet and was riding with others.

[RUCdaze]

I'm certainly not defending the woman who should have been far more careful, but bicycles in /the Villages are a terrific hazard and should be curtailed or restricted.

[JMintzer]

I'm certainly not defending the woman who should have been far more careful, but bicycles in /the Villages are a terrific hazard and should be curtailed or restricted.

https://slang.net/img/slang/derail_4914.jpg

[LuvNH]

I'm certainly not defending the woman who should have been far more careful, but bicycles in /the Villages are a terrific hazard and should be curtailed or restricted.

Why? Please give me a good reason why a bike should be restricted in TV. People ride bikes all overs the world, so why not here. Is it because the majority of car and golf cart drivers don't want to be bothered sharing the road?Or, morle to the point, not capble of sharing the road safely!

Your statement is absolutely ridiculous.

[MX rider]

why? Please give me a good reason why a bike should be restricted in tv. People ride bikes all overs the world, so why not here. Is it because the majority of car and golf cart drivers don't want to be bothered sharing the road?or, morle to the point, not capble of sharing the road safely!

Your statement is absolutely ridiculous.

100%

[rrtjp]

What nobody has mentioned or thought of was the fact the bicyclist was not transported to a “trauma center “ there is no trauma center close by so he was transported to the nearest hospital. Would it have made a difference in his outcome if a trauma center was close??
Before my retirement I had worked almost 30 years at a hospital that was a trauma center and I can tell you trauma centers and all the professionals working in trauma centers are better trained to handle accidents like this and all other trauma accidents for that matter. When we moved here I was pretty surprised when I learned that there is no trauma center close by.
Why isn’t there a trauma center nearby?
IMHO we need one in this area.

[Bill14564]

What nobody has mentioned or thought of was the fact the bicyclist was not transported to a “trauma center “ there is no trauma center close by so he was transported to the nearest hospital. Would it have made a difference in his outcome if a trauma center was close??
Before my retirement I had worked almost 30 years at a hospital that was a trauma center and I can tell you trauma centers and all the professionals working in trauma centers are better trained to handle accidents like this and all other trauma accidents for that matter. When we moved here I was pretty surprised when I learned that there is no trauma center close by.
Why isn’t there a trauma center nearby?
IMHO we need one in this area.

I wouldn't bet that no one thought of transporting him to the nearest trauma center. Not being familiar with the protocols involved or the condition of the man when the EMTs arrived, I would assume he received the best possible care. If he was not transported to a trauma center there was likely a reason.

It appears there are trauma centers in Tampa, Orlando, Ocala, Gainesville, and possibly a few in Lake County.

[Geodyssey]

Bikes don't stop for anybody it seems.

I hope you're not allowed to drive anything- car, cart, or bike.

Just stay inside and watch sportsball.

[Geodyssey]

A guy is just riding along hillsborough having a wonderful morning and taken out by somebody else's mistake, so sad.

Joe


Mistake? Like "oopsie, sorry you're dead old man"?

More like negligence. Failure to obey traffic laws.

[asianthree]

What nobody has mentioned or thought of was the fact the bicyclist was not transported to a “trauma center “ there is no trauma center close by so he was transported to the nearest hospital. Would it have made a difference in his outcome if a trauma center was close??
Before my retirement I had worked almost 30 years at a hospital that was a trauma center and I can tell you trauma centers and all the professionals working in trauma centers are better trained to handle accidents like this and all other trauma accidents for that matter. When we moved here I was pretty surprised when I learned that there is no trauma center close by.
Why isn’t there a trauma center nearby?
IMHO we need one in this area.

UF has a fully staffed 24/7 chopper sitting waiting on a pad. Can be ready to lift off soon as bus arrives and patient is evaluated. However any responsible bike, or runner/walker will have medical info, attached to shirt, along with contact info, and where they should be transported should an event happen.

[Geodyssey]

There are very few "accidents". A deer jumping unexpectedly into your path, in a way that avoiding hitting it is impossible, while you are traveling at or below the speed limit is an accident. A meteorite hitting your car is an accident. A tree limb falling on your car (yes, it has happened) is an accident. You get the picture. But any occurrence that causes damage or injury, caused by either an error of omission or commission on the part of one (or more) of those involved is NOT an accident. And given the circumstances it can be, and very often is, a crime.

This woman was driving while circumstances prevented her from getting a clear view of anything that could possibly lead to an incident. The "circumstance" was the sun and the "incident" lead to a death. It was this woman's responsibility to see what was ahead or just to the side of her. She knowingly (and admittedly) kept on driving during a time when the circumstance made this impossible. She SHOULD have pulled over and done something to assure that she COULD see what was there. She did not.

This was no accident.

Well-said.

[Geodyssey]

None of that matters as he was hit by the golf cart driver who turned in front of the cyclist and caused the accident...

According to reports, the cyclist was driving straight on Hillsborough and the cart driver turned in front of him, not seeing him due to being "blinded by the sun" (her words).

Even if he WAS wearing a helmet, he still could have died from the trauma.

It happened at 8:30 am, so it wasn't dark...

Ear buds would have changed anything, since the cart driver "didn't see him" so how could music play a role?

To me, it sounds like you're making excuses for the cart driver...


In short, what rustyp is saying is "it was the bike rider's fault".

It's obvious from the comments that many Villagers hate bike riders.

[Geodyssey]

I'm certainly not defending the woman who should have been far more careful, but bicycles in /the Villages are a terrific hazard and should be curtailed or restricted.

Should they be banned?

[rustyp]

In short, what rustyp is saying is "it was the bike rider's fault".

It's obvious from the comments that many Villagers hate bike riders.

Not true at all - Rustyp is saying the cyclist was right - dead right !

[LuvNH]

Not true at all - Rustyp is saying the cyclist was right - dead right !

Oh, that brings back memories. My Dad used to say "you want to be right, or dead right". In this case, I don't think the cyclist had an alternative.

My husband gave up riding his bike when a golf cart went past him with the curtains of the cart loose and flapping around. The flaplping loose enclosure got into trhe spokes of his wheel and brought him down. To add insult to injury, she did not even stop and that made him realize this was not the place to ride a bike safely. Thankfully, I still have him.

[golfing eagles]

This is the second person from our club to be hit in the early morning. Both drivers that hit them said they had been blinded by the sun. I won’t ride when the sun is low.

After reading many of the comments following my original post, a few clarifying remarks may be in order:

1. The crash happened on a street, not a MMP.
2. It occurred around 8:30am, not pm. Therefore, the sun was rising, not setting.
3. The bicyclist, at the location of the crash, had 100% the right of way.
4. Despite how anyone feels about bicyclists in general, this particular individual had no obligation to yield to the golf cart, whatsoever.
5. The cart driver, claiming the sun was in her eyes, has an excuse, but not a defense.

Perhaps this is what the golf cart driver did. We don't know. We know there was a collision but we don't have the detailed information necessary to know how it could have been avoided.

Wow how fast was this cyclist going to result in death ? Did he have a helmet and /or other protective gear on ? How about one of those flashing headlights like they use on motorcycles ? Did he see the cart driver merge from the cart lane into the car lane before the turn took place ? Perhaps he was wearing earphones and listening to tunes.

Two sides to every coin as the attorneys will now litigate.

I wouldn't bet that no one thought of transporting him to the nearest trauma center. Not being familiar with the protocols involved or the condition of the man when the EMTs arrived, I would assume he received the best possible care. If he was not transported to a trauma center there was likely a reason.

It appears there are trauma centers in Tampa, Orlando, Ocala, Gainesville, and possibly a few in Lake County.

First and most important, condolences to the family. An 80 year old healthy enough to be riding bicycles in a club was killed in a senseless accident.

Having read all the posts in this thread, I have to agree that none of us have enough information to speculate about this tragedy. But for what it's worth, I have several questions and comments.

According to the not to be named news source, this gentleman was riding westbound from his home in Charlotte to the Bradenton Rec center to join his club for a ride----if so, why was he at the intersection of Hillsborough and Ichabod? That would mean he missed his turn onto Anna Maria by 1/4 mile. Talk about being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

There is no question that the cyclist had the right of way (or more precisely the cart driver had to yield the right of way). I drive eastbound in my cart on Hillsborough 4-5x/week, at similar times to this accident with the sun in my eyes, and turn onto Inverary---the next block from this accident. There is absolutely no problem at all making this turn and seeing oncoming vehicles---just have to use a hand to block out the sun.

Like Rustyp, I do also wonder whether the cyclist anticipated the cart turning---after all she had to merge into the car lane, with or without turn signal or hand signal (unknown), all in plain sight of the oncoming cyclist. The illegal turn and subsequent collision is certainly NOT his fault, but is it possible he could have avoided it by braking or swerving?

Lastly, about the time of the accident my wife was driving along Powell/462, and a medical transport helicopter was taking off from the field. So it is possible the victim WAS transported to a trauma center. I think the statement that "no one thought of moving him to a trauma center" is a bit naive.

[rrtjp]

Just sad.

[bimmertl]

Wow how fast was this cyclist going to result in death ? Did he have a helmet and /or other protective gear on ? How about one of those flashing headlights like they use on motorcycles ? Did he see the cart driver merge from the cart lane into the car lane before the turn took place ? Perhaps he was wearing earphones and listening to tunes.

Two sides to every coin as the attorneys will now litigate.

There won't be any "litigation". It's a simple case of failure to yield, there are no facts in dispute. Cart driver admits to never seeing cyclist. There is no defense for her actions. Golf carts insurance carrier will offer the policy limits. Hopefully there is enough coverage to protect the golf cart driver from additional personal exposure.

[rustyp]

There won't be any "litigation". It's a simple case of failure to yield, there are no facts in dispute. Cart driver admits to never seeing cyclist. There is no defense for her actions. Golf carts insurance carrier will offer the policy limits. Hopefully there is enough coverage to protect the golf cart driver from additional personal exposure.

I wished I lived in a black and white world. How do we know all the facts - because it was reported by the news ? Here is a situation stimulating food for thought :

For example, suppose someone is driving under the influence (drugs or alcohol) and crashes into a car where the other driver ran a red light. Both violated the Vehicle & Traffic law. Both violations would likely be determined by a jury to be a legal cause of the crash. Hypothetically, a jury may find the impaired driver to be more at fault, as if they hadn’t been impaired and driving, they might have had better reflexes to stop before hitting the driver running the red light. Then a jury might say the impaired driver is 70% responsible, while the driver running the red light is 30% responsible.

A classic case taught at IDP - Impaired Drivers Programs.

[rrtjp]

First and most important, condolences to the family. An 80 year old healthy enough to be riding bicycles in a club was killed in a senseless accident.

Having read all the posts in this thread, I have to agree that none of us have enough information to speculate about this tragedy. But for what it's worth, I have several questions and comments.

According to the not to be named news source, this gentleman was riding westbound from his home in Charlotte to the Bradenton Rec center to join his club for a ride----if so, why was he at the intersection of Hillsborough and Ichabod? That would mean he missed his turn onto Anna Maria by 1/4 mile. Talk about being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

There is no question that the cyclist had the right of way (or more precisely the cart driver had to yield the right of way). I drive eastbound in my cart on Hillsborough 4-5x/week, at similar times to this accident with the sun in my eyes, and turn onto Inverary---the next block from this accident. There is absolutely no problem at all making this turn and seeing oncoming vehicles---just have to use a hand to block out the sun.

Like Rustyp, I do also wonder whether the cyclist anticipated the cart turning---after all she had to merge into the car lane, with or without turn signal or hand signal (unknown), all in plain sight of the oncoming cyclist. The illegal turn and subsequent collision is certainly NOT his fault, but is it possible he could have avoided it by braking or swerving?

Lastly, about the time of the accident my wife was driving along Powell/462, and a medical transport helicopter was taking off from the field. So it is possible the victim WAS transported to a trauma center. I think the statement that "no one thought of moving him to a trauma center" is a bit naive.

Naive?
I know he was NOT transported to a trauma center.

[golfing eagles]

Naive?
I know he was NOT transported to a trauma center.

Were you the responding EMT?????

Besides, NOT transported is different from "no one thought of it". I can pretty much guarantee that the EMTs would "think of it" in any serious trauma case. In fact, as a former ATLS instructor, I would be severely disappointed in any EMT that didn't.

[ThirdOfFive]

I'm certainly not defending the woman who should have been far more careful, but bicycles in /the Villages are a terrific hazard and should be curtailed or restricted.
It isn't the bicycles that are the hazard, but the blatant disregard of the rules of the road and the ditching of hard common sense by bicycle riders, automobile drivers and golf cart jockeys. This tragedy wouldn't have happened if the woman driving the golf cart had bothered to recognize the situation as the dangerous one that it was, and had pulled over and done something to make things safer.

That said, I doubt that there is another group in TV that is as cordially disliked as are bicyclists, particularly the groups of such one encounters usually early in the morning. "Passive-aggressive" and "entitled" are the two words that come immediately to mind. Automobile drivers dislike them because they slow things down on the streets and roads. People frequenting the MMPs dislike them because they're an unwelcome third element between walkers and golf carts, thus complicating things for both. I confess to some of the same irrational feelings at times, particularly when I see a group of maybe ten have the lead bicycle hit an orange light just before it turns red, and then have the entire mob casually pedal on through the red light while automobile drivers with the GREEN light sit and seethe.

Rational? Nope. But emotions rarely are.

[Pairadocs]

I gave up riding a bike in TV a long time ago after almost being hit head on by a golf cart. He never even slowed down as he went by me.

Saw that the district representatives "might" start up the groups investigating safety and these types of incidents. Pardon my cynicism, but I can't help but comment that this sounds just like ALL government representatives: convene committees, investigate, advance money for "studies" to be conducted, and talk, talk, TALK until the interest and backlash subsides ! At least the residents ARE beginning to be concerned, and the lack of "enforcement" (whatever that means), is a sad sad fact here.

[Smalley]

Agree with the "low light" problem. We decided (after hearing about this death) to never ride until 2 hours after sunrise and be home 2 hours before sunset.

[Pairadocs]

Mistake? Like "oopsie, sorry you're dead old man"?

More like negligence. Failure to obey traffic laws.

No argument meant, but exactly WHAT ARE the "traffic laws" for the multi-modal paths ? I'm still confused about the "law" that covers how to reach the entrance of the tunnel that runs under 466 to the plaza which contains Publix, Ace hardware, Edible arrangements, etc. Previously, those in carts wishing to enter the tunnel, were to go to the end of Wedgwood, stop, wait for autos turning right onto Wedgwood, then proceed to turn left into the tunnel. Then some time ago, the left turn lane for golfcarts was eliminated, the area was was completely repainted with diagonal yellow stripes and a new sign indicated carts must go BEHIND the Edible Arrangements retail store, to the narrow incline that leads to the cart path, stop at the top of the incline for cross traffic, THEN enter the path with a left turn, stop before crossing Wedgwood's automobile traffic, then proceed across Wedgwood to the tunnel entrance. Now it appears to have changed once again. Carts now line up in the area with the diagonal yellow lines, and wait to turn left into the tunnel. but all signage to this effect has been removed. For people to obey the "laws", they do have to be made aware of them ! According to one source (Rules of the Road), areas of yellow diagonal lines on a road or street are VIRTUAL barriers, or medians, no vehicles are to enter. So it's very confusing now that carts are once again to line up in this area to turn left into the tunnel ! And, yes, I DO realize why the rule changed, it also became a bit hazardous when carts lined up on an incline and blocked parking lot traffic, behind the Edible Arrangements building ! No good solutions ? Many such examples all over the Villages... and the rules, it seems, differ depending on jurisdiction ?

[Escape Artist]

"SUMTER COUNTY, Florida—An 80-year-old bicyclist was killed after a golf cart turned into his path Friday morning, according to the Florida Highway Patrol.

The Villages man was riding his bicycle westbound on the Hillsborough Trail shortly before 8:30 a.m. when a golf cart being driven by a 69-year-old woman of Rochester, New York, turned left at the intersection of Ichabod Way, directly in his path. The golf cart driver was unable to see the man due to the glare of the early morning sun, FHP Sgt. Steve Gaskins said in a press release.

The bicyclist struck the golf cart, was thrown into the road and seriously injured. He was transported to a local hospital, where he succumbed to his injuries; the golf cart driver was not hurt, Gaskins said."

Just a reminder for everyone to be careful out there.

An 80 year old should not be on a bike unless it’s a stationary one.

[fdpaq0580]

An 80 year old should not be on a bike unless it’s a stationary one.

HA HA HA HA HA. Oh, you are sooo funny! An 80 year old can ride anything they are legally and physically able to.

[dewilson58]

An 80 year old can ride anything they are legally and physically able to.

Exactly.

May the guy R.I.P., but more power to him when he was active at 80. :coolsmiley:

[JMintzer]

An 80 year old should not be on a bike unless it’s a stationary one.

Disgusting...

[LuvNH]

An 80 year old should not be on a bike unless it’s a stationary one.

I don't know where you "escaped" from, but suggest you go back. That is about the most stupid comment I have seen in a long time.

[jswirs]

But the statement is mostly correct and you are out of line. A large portion of bicycle riders me included skirt the laws because stopping and restarting a bicycle is harder (especially for the quasi professionals with the shoes clipped into the pedals) sooooo they glance over their shoulders and proceed through intersections or stops signs. Everyone sees it so drop the indignant attitude.
The statement you are referring to said, " Bikes don't stop for anything, it seems" and you say that comment is mostly correct? Perhaps you need an explanation of the statement in question. What that statement means is that whenever a rider mounts his bicycle he mostly never stops until he reaches his destination. Sooo, if I am out of line, you are out of your mind. Drop the asinine attitude.
And, aside from all of that, the comment in question was thoughtless and inconsiderate, to say the least, because it was the golf cart drivers fault, NOT THE BICYCLIST. That comment IMPLIES it was the fault of the cyclist. So yes, I stand by original statement as being accurate.

[asianthree]

The statement you are referring to said, " Bikes don't stop for anything, it seems" and you say that comment is mostly correct? Perhaps you need an explanation of the statement in question. What that statement means is that whenever a rider mounts his bicycle he mostly never stops until he reaches his destination. Sooo, if I am out of line, you are out of your mind. Drop the asinine attitude.
And, aside from all of that, the comment in question was thoughtless and inconsiderate, to say the least, because it was the golf cart drivers fault, NOT THE BICYCLIST. That comment IMPLIES it was the fault of the cyclist. So yes, I stand by original statement as being accurate.


Was not present or at the scene, but you are correct cyclist never stop, they may slow down, if they have their head up with full vision of what coming at them.

I no longer ride the road in TV, because of many reasons, one is you have to ride so defensively at all times, especially in TV where age of drivers is a great factor.

I always think that walker, bike, cart, car, or truck may not see ME. I don’t take a chance. I slow down when I see a vehicle that may or may not turn. So instead of carefree, biking many miles, it can be very stressful instead.

Yesterday while going over the Brownwood Bridge, there were orange cones clearly visible, around a mechanical lift with workers fixing the screening. Plus a worker, On the ground slowing, and directing traffic. The golf cart in front of me was either distracted or didn’t see the cones, the very large lift, or the guy (no sun involved) slowing down traffic.

The cart ran over the cones, and barely swerved away from the lift machine, then almost hitting the worker on the ground.

If I would’ve been riding my bike, I may have injured the worker since he had to jump out of the way of the cart. While it would have not been my fault, it would be in my waking, and sleeping mind 24/7.

The cart however never stopped to see if the worker was OK. He was, as were the workers on the lift.

So NO I no longer bike on the roads here, because I can’t predict what that person beside, behind, or in front of me will do, and if I don’t have my head in the game at all times, a dirt nap may come into play

[HORNET]

Got on Hillsborough that morning going east ( in an automobile), had to lower my sun visor and put on my sunglasses and use my hand to see the road ahead before turning onto Charlotte. It was terrible!

[Snowbirdtobe]

I am going to add my opinions to the thread, but before I do so I need to give my qualifications.
I am not a retired cop and have no real idea of the Florida laws.
I am not a lawyer but have served on juries.
I am not an insurance broker and hate insurance companies.
If I were a friend of the poor 80 year old this is what I would do.
Find out if the cart was owned by someone other than the driver and sue them too.
Find out if the cart was modified to increase the speed of the cart to turn it into a vehicle requiring a registration and insurance.
If the cart was modified ask the sheriff to charge the driver of the cart with a crime of driving an unregistered vehicle.
It may be a crime to rent a low speed vehicle to a person but I would let the civil courts decide the damages.

[ThirdOfFive]

An 80 year old should not be on a bike unless it’s a stationary one.
(groan)

[fdpaq0580]

I am going to add my opinions to the thread, but before I do so I need to give my qualifications.
I am not a retired cop and have no real idea of the Florida laws.
I am not a lawyer but have served on juries.
I am not an insurance broker and hate insurance companies.
If I were a friend of the poor 80 year old this is what I would do.
Find out if the cart was owned by someone other than the driver and sue them too.
Find out if the cart was modified to increase the speed of the cart to turn it into a vehicle requiring a registration and insurance.
If the cart was modified ask the sheriff to charge the driver of the cart with a crime of driving an unregistered vehicle.
It may be a crime to rent a low speed vehicle to a person but I would let the civil courts decide the damages.

Thought provoking for sure. Good chance the cart may have been tweaked. Many have been. Fair, not great, chance the owner was not the driver.

Apropos of nothing, Snowbirdtobe, would your name happen to be "Sue"?

[Gpsma]

An 80 year old should not be on a bike unless it’s a stationary one.

No truer words hav ever been posted on TOTV.

[Boston-Sean]

I guess that's the risk you take when you chose to live in the concrete jungle north of 44 instead of south of 44 with the nature trails and dedicated bike paths.

[JMintzer]

No truer words hav ever been posted on TOTV.

I hope when you turn 80 that the "age police" start restricting what you're allowed to do...

[JMintzer]

I guess that's the risk you take when you chose to live in the concrete jungle north of 44 instead of south of 44 with the nature trails and dedicated bike paths.

Until the same thing happens south of 44... (see how that works?)

[coffeebean]

In short, what rustyp is saying is "it was the bike rider's fault".

It's obvious from the comments that many Villagers hate bike riders.

What if the bike rider was riding in an automobile? The automobile is driving down a straight-a-way on Hillsborough. Another vehicle makes a left turn right into that automobile that is driving down a straight-a-way. From what I have read, this was the scenario between the bike and the golf cart. The vehicle making the left turn does NOT have the right of way. The vehicle making the left turn caused the accident. That would be the woman in the golf cart.

[coffeebean]

An 80 year old should not be on a bike unless it’s a stationary one.

What if the bicyclist was 60 years old? Should all 60 year olds ride only stationary bikes?

It has pretty much been determined that the 80 year old on the bike did nothing wrong. The fault is with the woman in the golf cart that made a left turn as the guy on the bike was riding on a straight-a-way on Hillsborough.

[coffeebean]

I guess that's the risk you take when you chose to live in the concrete jungle north of 44 instead of south of 44 with the nature trails and dedicated bike paths.

Just wondering.......with all the dedicated bike and walking paths south of 44, do the golf carts have to share the roads more frequently with regular vehicles in a diamond lane in the roadway? I know north of 44 there are plenty of times the golf carts share the road with regular vehicles but it seems to me that south of 44, that would happen more frequently. No?

[Velvet]

My impression is, the developer(s) learn as they go, the first area had too steep a bridge, too low tunnels etc, next area too many types of transportation on one path, thus third (new) area better separation of different types of transportation. Cart paths are changed to become safer, better. There are very few communities in the world where golf carts are used as the main form of transportation to everywhere on roads so there are not many other existing traffic plans to follow. TV is innovative and constantly improving. There will be new problems that surface and new responses to them.

[VApeople]

Just wondering.......with all the dedicated bike and walking paths south of 44, do the golf carts have to share the roads more frequently with regular vehicles in a diamond lane in the roadway?

In my opinion, the answer to your question is No.

North of 44, there are MMPs along Morse, Buena Vista, 466, and 466A. On other long roads, carts and cars have to share the road.

In the Southern area, there are MMPs along Meggison (above Sawgrass), Marsh Bend Trail (below Magnolia Plaza), and one along the turnpike. On other long roads, like Marsh Bend Trail (above Magnolia Plaza), Fenney Way, Meggison Road (below Sawgrass), and Corbin Trail, cars and carts share the road, but bikers and walkers have their own path.

So for carts and cars, the areas south and north of 44 are about the same. For walkers and bikers, the Southern area is much better.

[rustyp]

What if the bike rider was riding in an automobile? The automobile is driving down a straight-a-way on Hillsborough. Another vehicle makes a left turn right into that automobile that is driving down a straight-a-way. From what I have read, this was the scenario between the bike and the golf cart. The vehicle making the left turn does NOT have the right of way. The vehicle making the left turn caused the accident. That would be the woman in the golf cart.

FYI Rustyp did not say it was the cyclist' fault - ref post #112

[coffeebean]

In my opinion, the answer to your question is No.

North of 44, there are MMPs along Morse, Buena Vista, 466, and 466A. On other long roads, carts and cars have to share the road.

In the Southern area, there are MMPs along Meggison (above Sawgrass), Marsh Bend Trail (below Magnolia Plaza), and one along the turnpike. On other long roads, like Marsh Bend Trail (above Magnolia Plaza), Fenney Way, Meggison Road (below Sawgrass), and Corbin Trail, cars and carts share the road, but bikers and walkers have their own path.

So for carts and cars, the areas south and north of 44 are about the same. For walkers and bikers, the Southern area is much better.

Thank you for clarifying that.

[DAVES]

SOLUTIONS are never perfect but more productive than rants. The villages, it is congested that is a plus and a minus. Perhaps even more so with the snow birds.

Accident is perhaps the wrong word. The best accident is the one that does not happen. Golf cart speeds. Endless posts on this subject. The LEGAL speed is max of 20mph. Are those of you with your cart set above that in A RUSH TO RELAX?

The original post #1 tells the facts. As I scan through subsequent posts many, show their bias without any facts. Follow the rules? Sadly it is clearly a reach to assume those around you are aware, know the rules and will follow them.

[JMintzer]

SOLUTIONS are never perfect but more productive than rants. The villages, it is congested that is a plus and a minus. Perhaps even more so with the snow birds.

Accident is perhaps the wrong word. The best accident is the one that does not happen. Golf cart speeds. Endless posts on this subject. The LEGAL speed is max of 20mph. Are those of you with your cart set above that in A RUSH TO RELAX?

The original post #1 tells the facts. As I scan through subsequent posts many, show their bias without any facts. Follow the rules? Sadly it is clearly a reach to assume those around you are aware, know the rules and will follow them.

Irrelevant to the conversation. Unless, of course, you're saying the woman in the golf cart made the left turn at full speed, which was over 20 mph...

[brianherlihy]

all the golf carts and bickes shod Follow the rules and stop all bicks

[Bilyclub]

Irrelevant to the conversation. Unless, of course, you're saying the woman in the golf cart made the left turn at full speed, which was over 20 mph...

Agreed, that cart would have been on it's side. Carts, speed, and turns don't place nice.

[fdpaq0580]

all the golf carts and bickes shod Follow the rules and stop all bicks

Rot! ah Gree.

[JMintzer]

all the golf carts and bickes shod Follow the rules and stop all bicks

Hard to argue with that...

[fdpaq0580]

Hard to argue with that...

Rot! Har targoo whiddit!

[asianthree]

Today I was behind a guy, ( most wear yellow) on BV, trying to pick up speed from a red light. Head down for a good 2 minutes, before he pick it up and really read the road. Yep I was caught behind him, for that time, while the unbelievable amount of commercial traffic passed in the outside lane. Not unusual I used to ride head down for short period of time, not in TV, but in a safer environment

[Laker14]

Hard to argue with that...

Very challenging to argue in a language you are not fluent in.