Flags Half Staff

[Golfer222]

Anybody know the reason for some flags in Lady Lake being flown at half staff?

[bruce213]

The last school shooting?

[Whitley]

The last school shooting?

Not sure. In Naples half are full, half are , well, half. I would guess the school shooting.

[BrianL99]

Anybody know the reason for some flags in Lady Lake being flown at half staff?

There are only 2 people who can order the US Flag to be flown at Half Mast, the President and the Governor.

Any Flag being flown at Half Mast in Florida right now, violates US Flag protocol.

Why are the Flags at Half Staff Today? - American Flags Express (https://flagsexpress.com/flags-half-staff/)

https://www.flgov.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/Tennessee-Tragedy.pdf

[Taltarzac725]

The last school shooting?

There was an order for that from on high.
Flags to Fly at Half-Staff to Honor Victims of the Tragedy in Nashville, Tennessee | Office of Governor Jim Pillen (https://governor.nebraska.gov/press/flags-fly-half-staff-honor-victims-tragedy-nashville-tennessee)

[Lottoguy]

The school shooting in Nashville is the reason. Just like all the other times we've seen are flag at half staff. You'd think people would get tired of seeing it like this way.

[BrianL99]

There was an order for that from on high.
Flags to Fly at Half-Staff to Honor Victims of the Tragedy in Nashville, Tennessee | Office of Governor Jim Pillen (https://governor.nebraska.gov/press/flags-fly-half-staff-honor-victims-tragedy-nashville-tennessee)

That has nothing to do with Florida.

The President of the United States ordered US flags to Half Mast until sunset on 3/31/23.

Any US Flag flying at Half Mast today in Florida, is not only violating US Flag protocol, it's disrespectful.

[Taltarzac725]

That has nothing to do with Florida.

The President of the United States ordered US flags to Half Mast until sunset on 3/31/23.

Any US Flag flying at Half Mast today in Florida, is not only violating US Flag protocol, it's disrespectful.

My link mentioned that.

[Keefelane66]

There was an order for that from on high.
Flags to Fly at Half-Staff to Honor Victims of the Tragedy in Nashville, Tennessee | Office of Governor Jim Pillen (https://governor.nebraska.gov/press/flags-fly-half-staff-honor-victims-tragedy-nashville-tennessee)
Governor Pillen is FROM NEBRASKA what’s that go to do with Florida.
Getting back to Florida it’s a slap in the face to everyone signing a new law in Florida okaying concealed carry without permit. Not signing in public but closed meeting!

[Bogie Shooter]

Governor Pillen is FROM NEBRASKA what’s that go to do with Florida.
Getting back to Florida it’s a slap in the face to everyone signing a new law in Florida okaying concealed carry without permit. Not signing in public but closed meeting!

To add, the 12 month period ending June 30 '22 there were 7000 permit applicant that were denied a permit. Be careful out there they will be carrying on July 1!

[JMintzer]

To add, the 12 month period ending June 30 '22 there were 7000 permit applicant that were denied a permit. Be careful out there they will be carrying on July 1!

Why were they denied?

Was it a simple clerical problem with the application? Or did they fail a background check?

If it's the latter, it's possible that they should not be allowed to own a firearm at all...

[Taltarzac725]

Anybody know the reason for some flags in Lady Lake being flown at half staff?







President Joe Biden ordered flags at half-staff today to honor those who were killed at a Christian elementary school in Nashville, Tennessee, on Monday.

In response to Biden’s proclamation, Florida Governor Ron DeSantis ordered the flags of the United States and the State of Florida to be flown at half-staff at all local and state buildings, installations and grounds throughout the state until sunset on March 31.

Live updates:Bodycam footage shows police confrontation with Nashville school shooter: Updates

From Pensacola News Journal .

There are probably some people who keep them up longer than March 31, 2023.

[Sandy and Ed]

Governor Pillen is FROM NEBRASKA what’s that go to do with Florida.
Getting back to Florida it’s a slap in the face to everyone signing a new law in Florida okaying concealed carry without permit. Not signing in public but closed meeting!
But televised

[Sandy and Ed]

To add, the 12 month period ending June 30 '22 there were 7000 permit applicant that were denied a permit. Be careful out there they will be carrying on July 1!
Uneducated Question: understand that there is no need for a concealed carry permit BUT Is a background check still needed before the actual sale/delivery of the weapon? If so felons (etc) would be caught at that point. NO???

[coconutmama]

Uneducated Question: understand that there is no need for a concealed carry permit BUT Is a background check still needed before the actual sale/delivery of the weapon? If so felons (etc) would be caught at that point. NO???

No. Not to mention people with mental issues.

[coconutmama]

That has nothing to do with Florida.

The President of the United States ordered US flags to Half Mast until sunset on 3/31/23.

Any US Flag flying at Half Mast today in Florida, is not only violating US Flag protocol, it's disrespectful.

Absolutely.
Question though, isn’t it Half Mast on a ship and called Half Staff on land?

[rsimpson]

Governor Pillen is FROM NEBRASKA what’s that go to do with Florida.
Getting back to Florida it’s a slap in the face to everyone signing a new law in Florida okaying concealed carry without permit. Not signing in public but closed meeting!

Ever hear of the 2nd Amendment? There should be no need for the law in the first place.

[allsport]

The school shooting in Nashville is the reason. Just like all the other times we've seen are flag at half staff. You'd think people would get tired of seeing it like this way.

Doesn't appear so and now we have no permit concealed weapons, really a stage for more shootings.

[JGibson]

Not to be infringed on.

[phousel]

Uneducated Question: understand that there is no need for a concealed carry permit BUT Is a background check still needed before the actual sale/delivery of the weapon? If so felons (etc) would be caught at that point. NO???
Yes

[Two Bills]

Flags Half Staff

I would be more concerned about the head teacher losing her job for showing probably the worlds most famous statue to her art students.
Society is going mad.

[Marine1974]

There are only 2 people who can order the US Flag to be flown at Half Mast, the President and the Governor.

Any Flag being flown at Half Mast in Florida right now, violates US Flag protocol.

Why are the Flags at Half Staff Today? - American Flags Express (https://flagsexpress.com/flags-half-staff/)

https://www.flgov.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/Tennessee-Tragedy.pdf

The mayor of the District of Columbia can also order the flags at half staff .

[BrianL99]

The mayor of the District of Columbia can also order the flags at half staff .


You're right, 3 people. Thank you.

I should have remembered that. There was a controversy a few years back, when Marion Berry was the Mayor.

[JMintzer]

Doesn't appear so and now we have no permit concealed weapons, really a stage for more shootings.

Except is hasn't happened in the other 25 states that have Constitutional Carry...

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Why were they denied?

Was it a simple clerical problem with the application? Or did they fail a background check?

If it's the latter, it's possible that they should not be allowed to own a firearm at all...

Even if the law is passed, a federal background check and three day waiting period is required to purchase a handgun.

Of course some people may acquire a gun illegally but that's happening now.

[ringmic88]

Doesn't appear so and now we have no permit concealed weapons, really a stage for more shootings.

I would say set the stage for less shootings. The only thing that stops a bad guy/girl with a gun is a good guy/girl with a gun. Signs that say "Gun Free Zone" only invite the bad people in.

[coffeebean]

There are only 2 people who can order the US Flag to be flown at Half Mast, the President and the Governor.

Any Flag being flown at Half Mast in Florida right now, violates US Flag protocol.

Why are the Flags at Half Staff Today? - American Flags Express (https://flagsexpress.com/flags-half-staff/)

https://www.flgov.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/Tennessee-Tragedy.pdf

Is it "half staff" or "half mast"?

[Johnsocat]

Flags Half Staff

I would be more concerned about the head teacher losing her job for showing probably the worlds most famous statue to her art students.
Society is going mad.

Hopefully they won't destroy it...

[Johnsocat]

Doesn't appear so and now we have no permit concealed weapons, really a stage for more shootings.

Might bring RESPECT back to our public places...

[Bill14564]

I would say set the stage for less shootings. The only thing that stops a bad guy/girl with a gun is a good guy/girl with a gun. Signs that say "Gun Free Zone" only invite the bad people in.

I predict there will be more shootings (and a lot of excuses) but my crystal ball doesn't work very well. It would be nice if you are right. We shall see.

[JMintzer]

I predict there will be more shootings (and a lot of excuses) but my crystal ball doesn't work very well. It would be nice if you are right. We shall see.

The (somewhat limited) data says otherwise...

CDC Data Shows Constitutional Carry States Have Fewer Total and Gun-Related Homicides - The Truth About Guns (https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/cdc-data-shows-constitutional-carry-states-have-fewer-total-and-gun-related-homicides/)

[Bill14564]

The (somewhat limited) data says otherwise...

CDC Data Shows Constitutional Carry States Have Fewer Total and Gun-Related Homicides - The Truth About Guns (https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/cdc-data-shows-constitutional-carry-states-have-fewer-total-and-gun-related-homicides/)

I was thinking of an increase after the law takes effect, not whether the state stays near the national average. But the article does provide good information.

And, I should clarify that the increase I predict (but hope will not happen) would be above any ongoing trend.

[Life as I know it]

Governor Pillen is FROM NEBRASKA what’s that go to do with Florida.
Getting back to Florida it’s a slap in the face to everyone signing a new law in Florida okaying concealed carry without permit. Not signing in public but closed meeting!

Can you imagine sitting at the square next to someone that is drinking or drunk with a weapon in their pocket? I think we have a serious control problem in Florida.

[Foxtrot]

Governor Pillen is FROM NEBRASKA what’s that go to do with Florida.
Getting back to Florida it’s a slap in the face to everyone signing a new law in Florida okaying concealed carry without permit. Not signing in public but closed meeting!

So you need a law to exercise your first amendment rights?

Of course not. So why do you need a law to exercise your second amendment rights?

[jimschlaefer]

Uneducated Question: understand that there is no need for a concealed carry permit BUT Is a background check still needed before the actual sale/delivery of the weapon? If so felons (etc) would be caught at that point. NO???

Yes. The rules of purchase have not changed. The law is all about carry.

[bark4me]

Anybody know the reason for some flags in Lady Lake being flown at half staff?
Because of The latest school shooting!

[Cybersprings]

Can you imagine sitting at the square next to someone that is drinking or drunk with a weapon in their pocket? I think we have a serious control problem in Florida.

This is just one more good example of the faulty logic of the anti-2nd amendment movement.

1. Florida law 790.151 prohibits carrying a firearm while under the influence of an alcoholic beverage.
2. If someone would break the law and carry while drinking when no permit is required, they would break the law and carry with a permit.
3. You could argue, but no one is going to check or enforce that.
4. But they will not enforce it any less than if there was a requirement to have a permit
5. If it is concealed (Florida Law) then how does it possibly hurt you, you wouldn't even know it was there. You would only know it was there if they were drinking and pulled the gun out. Then the problem is not that they are carrrying concealed, but that they are brandishing a firearm which is already illegal.

The point has no merit whatsoever.

[Taltarzac725]

So you need a law to exercise your first amendment rights?

Of course not. So why do you need a law to exercise your second amendment rights?

Because bullets do not come out of loud mouths, internet trolls and the like. There are many limitations on Free Speech though. You could not yell "He has a gun" on a Villages' Square and not expect serious consequences for doing so.

[Cybersprings]

Doesn't appear so and now we have no permit concealed weapons, really a stage for more shootings.

I just can't wrap my head around people's thoughts some times.
Are you thinking that what is preventing people from shooting others is that they are applying for a permit and getting denied, or they know they won't be approved and so they don't even apply and then say, I have access to a gun, and I want to kill someone, but darn, I don't have a permit to carry so I will just deal with my anger in another way?
really? Really? REALLY?

[Cybersprings]

Because bullets do not come out of loud mouths, internet trolls and the like. There are many limitations on Free Speech though. You could not yell "He has a gun" on a Villages' Square and not expect serious consequences for doing so.

And bullets do not come out of the guns of law abiding citizens unless it is in self defense. The thought that a person would commit murder if they could just get past that pesky permit issue is so ludicrous that it makes anything else said hard to even bother with.

[Taltarzac725]

And bullets do not come out of the guns of law abiding citizens unless it is in self defense. The thought that a person would commit murder if they could just get past that pesky permit issue is so ludicrous that it makes anything else said hard to even bother with.

Tell that to many school, university and other shooting victims. I believe many of these shooters had gun permits. Stephen Paddock - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Paddock)

The Las Vegas shooter's road to 47 guns | CNN (https://www.cnn.com/2017/10/06/us/stephen-paddock-47-guns/index.html)

[Bill14564]

This is just one more good example of the faulty logic of the anti-2nd amendment movement.

1. Florida law 790.151 prohibits carrying a firearm while under the influence of an alcoholic beverage.
2. If someone would break the law and carry while drinking when no permit is required, they would break the law and carry with a permit.
3. You could argue, but no one is going to check or enforce that.
4. But they will not enforce it any less than if there was a requirement to have a permit
5. If it is concealed (Florida Law) then how does it possibly hurt you, you wouldn't even know it was there. You would only know it was there if they were drinking and pulled the gun out. Then the problem is not that they are carrrying concealed, but that they are brandishing a firearm which is already illegal.

The point has no merit whatsoever.

You should read 790.151 more carefully. Concealed carry while under the influence is not prohibited by that statute.

Regardless of the statute, your response misses the point. We require some level of training before allowing someone to pilot a vehicle on our roadways - a device that when used as intended will cause no one any harm. Permitless carry will now allow someone to carry a handgun in public with no training - a device that when used as intended will end someone's life.

We have a serious problem in America with lack of self control. Lack of self control plus lack of training plus loaded weapons is a really frightening mix.

[Cybersprings]

Tell that to many school, university and other shooting victims. I believe many of these shooters had gun permits. Stephen Paddock - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Paddock)

The Las Vegas shooter's road to 47 guns | CNN (https://www.cnn.com/2017/10/06/us/stephen-paddock-47-guns/index.html)

I believe you missed the point. Somehow, the flag at half staff discussion got turned into gun control discussion. People asserted that no longer requiring a permit would lead to more shootings. My point is that illegal shootings are not stopped by requiring a permit to carry. If someone is going to commit a crime as serious as shooting someone, they are not going to be deterred by the fact that they have no permit. Your point proved my point. Even with forcing someone to get a permit, if someone wants to commit a heinous crime, they will.

[Whitley]

To add, the 12 month period ending June 30 '22 there were 7000 permit applicant that were denied a permit. Be careful out there they will be carrying on July 1!

So are you saying that if the 7,000 permits that were rejected applied again July 1st, they would be approved and a gun sold to them? I want to be sure I understand.

[Whitley]

No. Not to mention people with mental issues.

Hi. I am pretty sure you are spreading false information. Are you saying that with Constitutional carry, no background ck will be run prior to selling a handgun?

[Bill14564]

So are you saying that if the 7,000 permits that were rejected applied again July 1st, they would be approved and a gun sold to them? I want to be sure I understand.

Surely you are aware that no permit is required to purchase a gun in Florida. The only permit that could have been rejected is a permit for concealed carry. As of July 1 that permit is no longer required so those 7,000 will then be able to carry.

[Cybersprings]

You should read 790.151 more carefully. Concealed carry while under the influence is not prohibited by that statute.

Regardless of the statute, your response misses the point. We require some level of training before allowing someone to pilot a vehicle on our roadways - a device that when used as intended will cause no one any harm. Permitless carry will now allow someone to carry a handgun in public with no training - a device that when used as intended will end someone's life.

We have a serious problem in America with lack of self control. Lack of self control plus lack of training plus loaded weapons is a really frightening mix.

I stand corrected on the law. Thanks for making me re-read. But again, as I stated in the same post, having a concealed weapon cannot hurt you. It is only the wielding of the weapon that can cause the problem, and that is not affected by whether or not you have a permit.

As far as training to get the permit, you are taught how to safely use a weapon for self defense. What is it in the training required to carry a weapon that you think will overcome the self control problem that you raise? Are you saying that people with self control problems who carry with a permit and therefore "have training", will, because of that training, be safer to the public when they lose control and pull a gun unnecessarily?

[Cybersprings]

Surely you are aware that no permit is required to purchase a gun in Florida. The only permit that could have been rejected is a permit for concealed carry. As of July 1 that permit is no longer required so those 7,000 will then be able to carry.

They will be able to carry what? You are required to pass a background check before purchasing a handgun. It is very difficult to carry a rifle concealed.

[Bill14564]

I stand corrected on the law. Thanks for making me re-read. But again, as I stated in the same post, having a concealed weapon cannot hurt you. It is only the wielding of the weapon that can cause the problem, and that is not affected by whether or not you have a permit.

As far as training to get the permit, you are taught how to safely use a weapon for self defense. What is it in the training required to carry a weapon that you think will overcome the self control problem that you raise? Are you saying that people with self control problems who carry with a permit and therefore "have training", will, because of that training, be safer to the public when they lose control and pull a gun unnecessarily?

Ideally, that training will also include instruction on when it might be appropriate to pull a gun including the potential consequences and that *might* prevent some problems. Additionally, just the requirement to attend training has *likely* caused some to decide not to bother thus keeping guns out of their reach in public places.

Training cannot solve all the problems but perhaps it has prevented some. We'll see what happens later this year.

[Bill14564]

Surely you are aware that no permit is required to purchase a gun in Florida. The only permit that could have been rejected is a permit for concealed carry. As of July 1 that permit is no longer required so those 7,000 will then be able to carry.

They will be able to carry what? You are required to pass a background check before purchasing a handgun. It is very difficult to carry a rifle concealed.

This is not about a background check, this is about satisfying the requirements for the permit to carry the weapon.

They may already own a handgun, there is no permit required for that. If the statement about the 7,000 denied permits is true then they were told they while they own the gun they are not allowed to carry the gun in public. So they own the gun and they can transport it to and from a range but they cannot carry it to the square for some reason... yet. Come July 1 that permit problem, whatever it was, goes away and they are free to bring their gun to the squares (or most other places).

[coconutmama]

Flags Half Staff

I would be more concerned about the head teacher losing her job for showing probably the worlds most famous statue to her art students.
Society is going mad.

So true.

[Rsenholzi]

Many of these are supporters of Trump and have been angry that he wasn’t re-elected. One person on my block is now flying it upside down. I find this to be very, very disrespectful to the vets who fought for this country. I truly wish they would read the rules and follow them or take their flag down . My dad was 17 years old when he fought for their right to be free. Be respectful flag flyers

[JMintzer]

Can you imagine sitting at the square next to someone that is drinking or drunk with a weapon in their pocket? I think we have a serious control problem in Florida.

And that would be just as illegal as if they had a carry permit...

I could imagine a lot of crazy scenarios. But I choose not to...

[JMintzer]

Tell that to many school, university and other shooting victims. I believe many of these shooters had gun permits. Stephen Paddock - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Paddock)

The Las Vegas shooter's road to 47 guns | CNN (https://www.cnn.com/2017/10/06/us/stephen-paddock-47-guns/index.html)

Please define what you mean by a "gun permit"...

If you're saying that most school shooters had carry permits, you would be wrong...

[JMintzer]

Surely you are aware that no permit is required to purchase a gun in Florida. The only permit that could have been rejected is a permit for concealed carry. As of July 1 that permit is no longer required so those 7,000 will then be able to carry.

Can you cite where this "7,000 denied permits" number comes from?

Not that I don't believe you, but I don't believe you...

The only thing I could find on the Google machine is this: "In the 2021-22 fiscal year, more than 8,000 people who applied for concealed-carry licenses were denied as being ineligible. Data from the Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services does not say why."

The "WHY" is important... Was it due to bad paperwork? Bad fingerprint cards (I know of several people who's cards were rejected. They were later accepted with new cards). Or were they denied due to failing a NICS check? If it's the latter, one must ask, how did they purchase a gun in the first place?

[JMintzer]

This is not about a background check, this is about satisfying the requirements for the permit to carry the weapon.

They may already own a handgun, there is no permit required for that. If the statement about the 7,000 denied permits is true then they were told they while they own the gun they are not allowed to carry the gun in public. So they own the gun and they can transport it to and from a range but they cannot carry it to the square for some reason... yet. Come July 1 that permit problem, whatever it was, goes away and they are free to bring their gun to the squares (or most other places).

Until you identify that "permit problem", your point is moot...

[JMintzer]

Ideally, that training will also include instruction on when it might be appropriate to pull a gun including the potential consequences and that *might* prevent some problems. Additionally, just the requirement to attend training has *likely* caused some to decide not to bother thus keeping guns out of their reach in public places.

Training cannot solve all the problems but perhaps it has prevented some. We'll see what happens later this year.

Yes, training does include those things. Just like driver's ed includes things like "don't drive drunk" and "don't drive 100 mph thru one's neighborhood"...

But, people being people, sh!t happens...

[Number 10 GI]

A quick search and I found this bit of information on why a concealed carry permit can be denied.

https://www.fdacs.gov/Consumer-Resources/Concealed-Weapon-License/Applying-for-a-Concealed-Weapon-License/Eligibility-Requirements

Possible Reasons for Ineligibility

The physical inability to handle a firearm safely.
A felony conviction (unless civil and firearm rights have been restored by the convicting authority).
Having adjudication withheld or sentence suspended on a felony or misdemeanor crime of violence unless three years have elapsed since probation or other conditions set by the court have been fulfilled.
A conviction for a misdemeanor crime of violence in the last three years.
A conviction for violation of controlled substance laws or multiple arrests for such offenses.
A record of drug or alcohol abuse.
Two or more DUI convictions within the previous three years.
Being committed to a mental institution or adjudged incompetent or mentally defective.
Failing to provide proof of proficiency with a firearm.
Having been issued a domestic violence injunction or an injunction against repeat violence that is currently in force.
Renouncement of U.S. citizenship.
A dishonorable discharge from the armed forces.
Being a fugitive from justice.

Every one of these cited reasons, with the exception of the first and tenth one, prohibits a person from owning or possessing a firearm. If a person meets any of these reasons for rejection of a carry permit, and own or posses a firearm before applying for a carry license, they are in violation of the law by having a firearm in their possession.

[Number 10 GI]

Unintentional double post.

[Taltarzac725]

Those look like why they can deny a sale of a firearm by a business to an individual with one or more of those.

A quick search and I found this bit of information on why a concealed carry permit can be denied.

https://www.fdacs.gov/Consumer-Resources/Concealed-Weapon-License/Applying-for-a-Concealed-Weapon-License/Eligibility-Requirements

Possible Reasons for Ineligibility

The physical inability to handle a firearm safely.
A felony conviction (unless civil and firearm rights have been restored by the convicting authority).
Having adjudication withheld or sentence suspended on a felony or misdemeanor crime of violence unless three years have elapsed since probation or other conditions set by the court have been fulfilled.
A conviction for a misdemeanor crime of violence in the last three years.
A conviction for violation of controlled substance laws or multiple arrests for such offenses.
A record of drug or alcohol abuse.
Two or more DUI convictions within the previous three years.
Being committed to a mental institution or adjudged incompetent or mentally defective.
Failing to provide proof of proficiency with a firearm.
Having been issued a domestic violence injunction or an injunction against repeat violence that is currently in force.
Renouncement of U.S. citizenship.
A dishonorable discharge from the armed forces.
Being a fugitive from justice.

Every one of these cited reasons, with the exception of the first and tenth one, prohibits a person from owning or possessing a firearm. If a person meets any of these reasons for rejection of a carry permit, and own or posses a firearm before applying for a carry license, they are in violation of the law by having a firearm in their possession.

[JMintzer]

Those look like why they can deny a sale of a firearm by a business to an individual with one or more of those.

They are pretty much the same restrictions...

The only real differences for a carry permit are fingerprints and a class...

[Golfer222]

Asked and answered by 2nd post- going to close this thread

[Bogie Shooter]

Asked and answered by 2nd post- going to close this thread

You can do that?

[Inexes@aol.com]

Absolutely.
Question though, isn’t it Half Mast on a ship and called Half Staff on land?

Ha Ha, you did it for me..... I was going to post a comment..... My Navy -retired husband has always corrected me if I mistakenly said half-mast....... loud and clear.... only Navy people ever say "half-mast". Unless there is a ship out here on the lake somewhere..... I think they are flying "half staff".

[Inexes@aol.com]

There are only 2 people who can order the US Flag to be flown at Half Mast, the President and the Governor.

Any Flag being flown at Half Mast in Florida right now, violates US Flag protocol.

Why are the Flags at Half Staff Today? - American Flags Express (https://flagsexpress.com/flags-half-staff/)

https://www.flgov.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/Tennessee-Tragedy.pdf

Wouldn't that be "half-staff" since said flags are not on a ship?????

[Golfer222]

well they were in Lady LAKE