Airbnb in The Villages

[Michael 61]

I live across the street from an Airbnb - people coming and going every week - most are under the age of 55.

Are there any violations here?

[retiredguy123]

Maybe, for operating a business from a home. But good luck getting it enforced. Having tenants under 55 is not a violation.

[Robbb]

Imho, Richmond is rental central. I rented three times there this winter and virtually everyone I met was also a rental. It seems as though investors jumped on that Village and bought many of the homes to rent.

[dewilson58]

No violation.

[tophcfa]

Are there any violations here?

It depends. If the owners of the home are not living there and renting through the AIRBnB platform then there is no violation, even if they are renting by the night. On the other hand, if the owners are living in the home and simultaneously renting out space in their home then two deed restrictions are being violated. First, the home is not being used as a single family residential unit. Second, the owner is running a business out of their home.

There are two kinds of deed restrictions, external and internal. External deed restrictions, like putting a little white cross in one’s front garden, are strictly enforced by community standards once reported. Internal deed restrictions, like running a business out of one’s home, are enforced by the developer once reported. Unfortunately, the developer has chosen to be both very lax and selective about enforcing these restrictions. In my opinion, it should not be the developers job to enforce internal deed restrictions as they have an inherent conflict of interest. Limiting AIRBnB rentals would arguably reduce demand for new homes as certain potential buyers would not have that option of generating income while living in their home. As we are all well aware, selling homes is the developers top priority.

By selectively enforcing some deed restrictions, looking the other way on others, all while very strictly enforcing lesser deed restriction violations that are minimally disruptive to a neighborhood, the whole deed restriction thing has become a sham.

[Michael 61]

Imho, Richmond is rental central. I rented three times there this winter and virtually everyone I met was also a rental. It seems as though investors jumped on that Village and bought many of the homes to rent.

Yep - you are spot on - on the block I live on, I am the only owner-resident - very difficult to make friends with neighbors, with the majority of residents shoe-term renters or bnb folks on vacation. Luckily today I met a owner-resident on the street over, and she has taken the “Bull by the horns” and has started a club for the folks in our villas the own their homes (monthly socials).

I’ve been here four months now - absolutely love it - I am in so many clubs/activities right now and meeting great people - just not many of my neighbors in Richmond, which is kind of discouraging, but I’m making it work! Glad to be here, and I wake up very happy each morning, looking forward to the adventures of the day.

[rustyp]

I live across the street from an Airbnb - people coming and going every week - most are under the age of 55.

Are there any violations here?

NO and when the PGA tournaments come here my house is an AIRBNB for that week LOL.

And if you honestly wanted an answer to this question (wink wink) you only need call this number -

Community Standards
Phone: 352-751-3912 • Fax: 352-751-6707

[tophcfa]

No violation.

NO and when the PGA tournaments come here my house is an AIRBNB for that week LOL.

Just like illegally crossing the boarder to get into the USA is not really illegal if those who are charged with enforcement choose to do nothing about it?

[Bogie Shooter]

NO and when the PGA tournaments come here my house is an AIRBNB for that week LOL.

And if you honestly wanted an answer to this question (wink wink) you only need call this number -

Community Standards
Phone: 352-751-3912 • Fax: 352-751-6707

OP, tends to start threads with a question at the end…………..

[oldtimes]

The state considers anyone who rents for less than 6 months to be a transient rental accommodations provider and legally required to register with the Florida Department of Revenue for a sales tax certificate. To me needing to pay Sales and Use tax sounds like a business.

Secondly our deed restrictions state:
Section 1. The Subdivision is an adult community designed to provide housing for persons 55 years of age or older. All homes that are occupied must be occupied by at least one person who is at least fifty-five (55) years of age. Note it says occupied and not owned.

That sounds like 2 violations to me.

[rustyp]

The state considers anyone who rents for less than 6 months to be a transient rental accommodations provider and legally required to register with the Florida Department of Revenue for a sales tax certificate. To me needing to pay Sales and Use tax sounds like a business.

Secondly our deed restrictions state:
Section 1. The Subdivision is an adult community designed to provide housing for persons 55 years of age or older. All homes that are occupied must be occupied by at least one person who is at least fifty-five (55) years of age. Note it says occupied and not owned.

That sounds like 2 violations to me.

Again all one needs do is call

Community Standards
Phone: 352-751-3912 • Fax: 352-751-6707

The Villages issue temporary resident IDs to renters every day of the week. They know the criteria.

[BrianL99]

The state considers anyone who rents for less than 6 months to be a transient rental accommodations provider and legally required to register with the Florida Department of Revenue for a sales tax certificate. To me needing to pay Sales and Use tax sounds like a business.

Secondly our deed restrictions state:
Section 1. The Subdivision is an adult community designed to provide housing for persons 55 years of age or older. All homes that are occupied must be occupied by at least one person who is at least fifty-five (55) years of age. Note it says occupied and not owned.

That sounds like 2 violations to me.

I agree with you, 100%, although I'd have to check my Deed Restrictions for that language, I understand not all Villages have the same Deed Restrictions.

STR's seem to be a big issue in The Villages (as well as in many cities), why haven't folks gotten together and formed a coalition to do something about it?

If that general language is in most everyone's deed, then most everyone is a 3rd Party Beneficiary of the Restriction and would certainly have standing to file an action for enforcement, in court.

[tophcfa]

Again all one needs do is call

Community Standards
Phone: 352-751-3912 • Fax: 352-751-6707

The Villages issue temporary resident IDs to renters every day of the week. They know the criteria.

I did, see post #5. For an AIRBnB deed restriction violation Community Standards will transfer you to a representative of the developer, who theoretically enforces internal deed restriction violations. They acknowledged that the two deed restriction violations stated in post #5 were in fact being violated. They noted my reporting the issue and proceeded to do absolutely nothing about it, claiming internal deed violations are very difficult to enforce! Why so difficult, all they had to do was go to the AIRBnB website and look at the listing for that address and they would have proof of said violations? They very obviously have made a conscious and calculated decision to look the other way regarding said deed restriction violations. This totally discredits the whole deed restriction system in the Villages, very sad : )

[oldtimes]

Again all one needs do is call

Community Standards
Phone: 352-751-3912 • Fax: 352-751-6707

The Villages issue temporary resident IDs to renters every day of the week. They know the criteria.

I did

[Bill14564]

Read your deed restrictions. They most likely say that business are not allowed that store inventory or have clients visit. Some would certainly argue that a renter is a client - the authorities would likely dismiss that argument.

The State of Florida has a statute (509.032 perhaps) that limits what localities can do to limit short term rentals. It may not be possible for the Villages to do anything about short term rentals.

As far as two families in the same house, are you telling me I cannot have my friends from MD or NY come to stay with me?

What you see as "selective enforcement" may be the VCCDD and the numbered CDDs taking different approaches to enforcement. Perhaps the VCCDD has chosen to be more lenient and overlook certain violations while the numbered CDDs have chosen to be more strict. Not selective enforcement but enforcement handled by different entities with different decision processes.

[BrianL99]

The State of Florida has a statute (509.032 perhaps) that limits what localities can do to limit short term rentals. It may not be possible for the Villages to do anything about short term rentals.



I believe Florida prohibits towns from adopted regulations that would prohibit STR's.

I think you also need a "License" to operate an STR.

Whether the state or municipality has applicable regulations, shouldn't be relevant when it comes to enforcing Deed Restrictions. Restrictions and Covenants are entirely different issue than zoning.

Florida Short Term Rental Laws: AirBnB & Vacation Rental Regulations (https://awning.com/post/florida-short-term-rental-laws#:~:text=Unlike%20other%20popular%20Airbnb%20l ocations,whether%20or%20not%20owner%2Doccupied).

[JMintzer]

OP, tends to start threads with a question at the end…………..

I believe this is more commonly known as "simply asking questions"...

Forgive me for having a question at the end of my post, but is this against the rules?

[Michael 61]

I believe this is more commonly known as "simply asking questions"...

Forgive me for having a question at the end of my post, but is this against the rules?

I’ve got Bogie on ignore, but saw you copied his post _ - he seems to enjoy calling me out for some reason, I don’t get it, I’ve never addressed him directly, I guess I annoy him somehow, but he loves to spend time reading my posts anyway. I come here in good faith to ask questions, if bogie doesn’t like to read my posts, he is free to put me on “ignore”.

[tophcfa]

As far as two families in the same house, are you telling me I cannot have my friends from MD or NY come to stay with me?.

Of course you can, having friends and family occasionally visit is totally different than having a revolving door of strangers paying a fee to rent a room in your home while you are living there.

[olliesnorth@aol.com]

To be so concerned what others do
Airbnb
Yet our gov has wide open borders 🙃

[westernrider75]

I live across the street from an Airbnb - people coming and going every week - most are under the age of 55.

Are there any violations here?

Just curious, what makes it an AIRbnb? We rented a courtyard villa for a one week stay on our first visit to The Villages in 2018 or 2019, not sure if that qualifies as an AIRbnb because of the length of stay?

[GizmoWhiskers]

Again all one needs do is call

Community Standards
Phone: 352-751-3912 • Fax: 352-751-6707

The Villages issue temporary resident IDs to renters every day of the week. They know the criteria.
The funny "kicker" in T V is that you CANNOT get a guest pass for ANY visitor who resides within certain close proximity to T V; ie Lady Lake or Wildwood etc.

For instance you have a close friend just outside of "The Bubble" and want to invite them to swim, play P B or shuffleboard... nope! I have family about 1.5 hrs from T V. Was ALMOST told no on a visitor pass because the pass giver THOUGHT I meant Lady Lake not Lake Mary.

Soooo it's OK to A B n B and grant passes to God knows who but God forbid a guest be tainted by too close a locality.

T V will gladly take locals' $$ in the entertainment arena but don't swim in our pools or play on our pickleball courts and for sure, don't fall in love with that person you meet sitting next to you in the bar if they have an id from certain zip codes!

Some things in T V are just wonkie.

[GizmoWhiskers]

I live across the street from an Airbnb - people coming and going every week - most are under the age of 55.

Are there any violations here?
The A B n B phenomenon started around 2007. The Villages was most likely fairly unheard of nationwide unlike it is now. T V seems to be exploding as some type world reknowned Golf Eutopia.

T V founders could not predict the phenomenon. It would be nice IF there were some means of cracking down on hotel-ing out T V. Villagers have rules on WHO THEY can befriend locally but NOT rent to daily.

Rules on nightly rentals won't happen. The almighty $$ is all that is on the minds of those too lazy to look for and sign on sign 6 mos to yearly leasers. It's sad.

[3105boy]

I agree with you, 100%, although I'd have to check my Deed Restrictions for that language, I understand not all Villages have the same Deed Restrictions.

STR's seem to be a big issue in The Villages (as well as in many cities), why haven't folks gotten together and formed a coalition to do something about it?

If that general language is in most everyone's deed, then most everyone is a 3rd Party Beneficiary of the Restriction and would certainly have standing to file an action for enforcement, in court.
We should get the city governments to create an ordinance that owners in 55+ communities can only rent those who are 55+ in age. Also, the cumulative annual time restriction for minors should be included in the ordinance. This issue will get worse as TV grows closer to Disney.

[Ele201]

Just curious, what makes it an AIRbnb? We rented a courtyard villa for a one week stay on our first visit to The Villages in 2018 or 2019, not sure if that qualifies as an AIRbnb because of the length of stay?

AIRbnb is a website, and people go on it to book stays at homes all across America, and elsewhere. I’m quite familiar with it, and I’ve used it for short stays (usually one week) in The Villages. It has a close competitor too, btw, and both of these websites have extensive listings in TV.

I was a bit surprised though that the original OP of this post stated he sees a lot of under-55 folks staying across the street. I thought you needed to be over-55, but apparently you don’t. However, being in this age range is required in order to get a guest pass to use the amenities. I’ve had to show proof of age via a passport or driver’s license to get a visitor’s pass.

[Michael 61]

Thanks everyone for posting info on this subject - I’m still relatively new here, so still learning and sorting through all this and learning the rules and Regs - thank you for your patience with me and your kindness in answering questions.

[retiredguy123]

If you have an online ad to rent a room in your house, you are operating a business, which is a violation. The problem is that The Villages will not enforce the rule. Rules without enforcement are worthless.

[Travelhunter123]

I did, see post #5. For an AIRBnB deed restriction violation Community Standards will transfer you to a representative of the developer, who theoretically enforces internal deed restriction violations. They acknowledged that the two deed restriction violations stated in post #5 were in fact being violated. They noted my reporting the issue and proceeded to do absolutely nothing about it, claiming internal deed violations are very difficult to enforce! Why so difficult, all they had to do was go to the AIRBnB website and look at the listing for that address and they would have proof of said violations? They very obviously have made a conscious and calculated decision to look the other way regarding said deed restriction violations. This totally discredits the whole deed restriction system in the Villages, very sad : )

Is there a “next level” to bring this matter to

[oldtimes]

Thanks everyone for posting info on this subject - I’m still relatively new here, so still learning and sorting through all this and learning the rules and Regs - thank you for your patience with me and your kindness in answering questions.

You should also lodge a complaint. This will eventually affect our property values as some of these rentals are cheaper than Motel 6. Word will get around and then no one is going to want to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars for a house next to a cheap hotel.

[JMintzer]

To be so concerned what others do
Airbnb
Yet our gov has wide open borders 🙃

All politics are local...

[merrymini]

What bothers me is the developers non-enforcement of their rules. This will bode ill for the future of our communities. Rules are good.

[Dusty_Star]

Hopefully now that the high season is winding down, your situation will (temporarily) ease. On the other hand I have heard some villa owners calling their neighborhood in the off season a 'ghost town'. I do agree with the others that suggested you should follow the complaint procedures. It appears this is a growing problem & only growing complaints will generate some type of discussions as to remediation.

[RICH1]

AIRBNB is the future ! Look for these Renters on the Golf Course! THE AIRBNB is a Runaway Train that will soon be in your neighborhood.

[jimkerr]

The funny "kicker" in T V is that you CANNOT get a guest pass for ANY visitor who resides within certain close proximity to T V; ie Lady Lake or Wildwood etc.

For instance you have a close friend just outside of "The Bubble" and want to invite them to swim, play P B or shuffleboard... nope! I have family about 1.5 hrs from T V. Was ALMOST told no on a visitor pass because the pass giver THOUGHT I meant Lady Lake not Lake Mary.

Soooo it's OK to A B n B and grant passes to God knows who but God forbid a guest be tainted by too close a locality.

T V will gladly take locals' $$ in the entertainment arena but don't swim in our pools or play on our pickleball courts and for sure, don't fall in love with that person you meet sitting next to you in the bar if they have an id from certain zip codes!

Some things in T V are just wonkie.

I correct. If you live nearby you absolutely can get a visitors pass. In fact, it lasts for 1 year. It’s called an in area pass. I got one for my daughter who lives in Clermont.

[daniel200]

Its all about the money. It cost the developer money to enforce the rules. In this case the developer does not gain anything by enforcing this rule. So they have no incentive to spend money to stop it.

Break a rule that disrupts their income, and the developer will come at you hard.

[JGibson]

The issue I have is the landlords who are renting to 2 families with 7 people living in the Airbnb simultaneously are all getting amenities ID cards for the same amenities price that a single occupancy owner pays.

If that's the case I will start getting ID cards for friends who live just outside TV. You think it's hard to get a tee time now, just wait because it's gonna get a lost worst.

Screw it, you can't beat them join them.

[retiredguy123]

I correct. If you live nearby you absolutely can get a visitors pass. In fact, it lasts for 1 year. It’s called an in area pass. I got one for my daughter who lives in Clermont.
You got it because it was your daughter. Here is the rule:

Residents of The Villages with a valid Resident ID
card can apply for a Guest ID card. A qualified
guest is defined as an individual whose current
residence is outside Lake, Marion and Sumter
counties. A resident who has a son, daughter,
grandchild or great grandchild (and their spouses)
who reside in Lake, Marion or Sumter counties may
apply for an In-Area Guest ID card.

[Nana2Teddy]

AIRbnb is a website, and people go on it to book stays at homes all across America, and elsewhere. I’m quite familiar with it, and I’ve used it for short stays (usually one week) in The Villages. It has a close competitor too, btw, and both of these websites have extensive listings in TV.

I was a bit surprised though that the original OP of this post stated he sees a lot of under-55 folks staying across the street. I thought you needed to be over-55, but apparently you don’t. However, being in this age range is required in order to get a guest pass to use the amenities. I’ve had to show proof of age via a passport or driver’s license to get a visitor’s pass.
Maybe I’m misunderstanding what you’re saying, but I was able to get my 43 y/o daughter a visitor’s pass last week for her visit here by just filling out a short form at a regional rec center. Was handed a guest card in less than 5 minutes. No ID shown.

[MisterPratt]

I live across the street from an Airbnb - people coming and going every week - most are under the age of 55.

Are there any violations here?
Call The Villages Community Standards, (352) 751-3912. Ask them.

[JMintzer]

The issue I have is the landlords who are renting to 2 families with 7 people living in the Airbnb simultaneously are all getting amenities ID cards for the same amenities price that a single occupancy owner pays.

If that's the case I will start getting ID cards for friends who live just outside TV. You think it's hard to get a tee time now, just wait because it's gonna get a lost worst.

Screw it, you can't beat them join them.

You can't do that. You cannot get a guest pass for someone who lives within (I think) 50 miles of TV...

But thanks for the "nice" sentiment...

[Ski Bum]

The state considers anyone who rents for less than 6 months to be a transient rental accommodations provider and legally required to register with the Florida Department of Revenue for a sales tax certificate. To me needing to pay Sales and Use tax sounds like a business.

Secondly our deed restrictions state:
Section 1. The Subdivision is an adult community designed to provide housing for persons 55 years of age or older. All homes that are occupied must be occupied by at least one person who is at least fifty-five (55) years of age. Note it says occupied and not owned.

That sounds like 2 violations to me.

FYI, AirBnB and **** automatically deduct and pay the tax

[oldtimes]

FYI, AirBnB and **** automatically deduct and pay the tax

The point is that it needs to be paid at all. Sales and Use Tax indicates that a business is being operated, it doesn't matter who pays it.

[joelfmi]

I don't think buying a 55+ community home that you can rent would is wise for many reason like the one you just described. Thanks for your transparence and heads up.

[Smitch]

How many rental properties in the Villages are registered with the State of Florida and pay sales tax on their rentals?

Does the Florida Department of Revenue have a database to check a specific address to verify they are in compliance?

Just curious.

[Indydealmaker]

I did, see post #5. For an AIRBnB deed restriction violation Community Standards will transfer you to a representative of the developer, who theoretically enforces internal deed restriction violations. They acknowledged that the two deed restriction violations stated in post #5 were in fact being violated. They noted my reporting the issue and proceeded to do absolutely nothing about it, claiming internal deed violations are very difficult to enforce! Why so difficult, all they had to do was go to the AIRBnB website and look at the listing for that address and they would have proof of said violations? They very obviously have made a conscious and calculated decision to look the other way regarding said deed restriction violations. This totally discredits the whole deed restriction system in the Villages, very sad : )

It might pay dividends to notify Airbnb of the violations. Could make them liable.

[charmed59]

I would guess most short term rentals in the Villages pay the tourist tax because AirBnb and its competitors pay those taxes out of the rent before the owner sees the money. 90% of that tax goes to the state, 10% comes back to the county. Most of that goes to grants, some of which help pay for the entertainment on the squares.

[asianthree]

Yep - you are spot on - on the block I live on, I am the only owner-resident - very difficult to make friends with neighbors, with the majority of residents shoe-term renters or bnb folks on vacation. Luckily today I met a owner-resident on the street over, and she has taken the “Bull by the horns” and has started a club for the folks in our villas the own their homes (monthly socials).

I’ve been here four months now - absolutely love it - I am in so many clubs/activities right now and meeting great people - just not many of my neighbors in Richmond, which is kind of discouraging, but I’m making it work! Glad to be here, and I wake up very happy each morning, looking forward to the adventures of the day.

Our first house was a PV, in a brand new neighborhood, 1/2 of the PVs were rentals. However they were 3-5 month rentals with the same people.

We found less short term rentals in second new village with our cottage. Of course we rented it long term to the same gentleman for just short of 10 years. 8 homes were long term on our block, and most stayed for years.

Our next house a designer had very few rentals, but those were 3-4 months to same people.

Our home we had built in Richmond, everyone seems to be owner occupied, on our street. My theory of Short term rentals, owner really needs the cash, or why would anybody subject their new home to who ever has $80 in their pocket. But that’s just my thoughts.

[tophcfa]

It might pay dividends to notify Airbnb of the violations. Could make them liable.

No need, I’m done with the problem. Our inconsiderate neighbor, who was universally disliked in the neighborhood, has moved out and our neighborhood has returned to peace and tranquillity. I only posed the information I learned as a courtesy to fellow Villagers since I know first hand how disruptive and disrespectful a poorly run AIRBnB operation can be. Hopefully no other fellow Villagers will have a similar experience.

[oldtimes]

No need, I’m done with the problem. Our inconsiderate neighbor, who was universally disliked in the neighborhood, has moved out and our neighborhood has returned to peace and tranquillity. I only posed the information I learned as a courtesy to fellow Villagers since I know first hand how disruptive and disrespectful a poorly run AIRBnB operation can be. Hopefully no other fellow Villagers will have a similar experience.

Spot on. This is a very inconsiderate and lousy way to treat your neighbors.

[retiredguy123]

You can't do that. You cannot get a guest pass for someone who lives within (I think) 50 miles of TV...

But thanks for the "nice" sentiment...
See Post No. 37.

[rustyp]

You got it because it was your daughter. Here is the rule:

Residents of The Villages with a valid Resident ID
card can apply for a Guest ID card. A qualified
guest is defined as an individual whose current
residence is outside Lake, Marion and Sumter
counties. A resident who has a son, daughter,
grandchild or great grandchild (and their spouses)
who reside in Lake, Marion or Sumter counties may
apply for an In-Area Guest ID card.

Solves the common issue that a TV homeowner's sibling can buy a house near TV but have every advantage of TV's amenities.

[asianthree]

How many rental properties in the Villages are registered with the State of Florida and pay sales tax on their rentals?

Does the Florida Department of Revenue have a database to check a specific address to verify they are in compliance?

Just curious.

If you use a rental company, the State is notified, and taxes are paid from the company.

Our investment properties were long term only, 2 years or more, No taxes Due.

But if Florida sends your property tax statement to a different address, you get a letter from FDofR. You must send full copy of long term agreement, and they send a form to the tenant to sign and return.

[mlmarr]

Absolutely should be.. age restrictions, golf cart manners etc.. I see it in my area and it's not good..

[RICH1]

So the original OP has turned into an IRS Question for a home run AirBnb Business not reporting Income.. The CDD’s hands seem to be tied, because of Rule interpretation…and lack of knowledge about businesses run out of a home, in The Villages

[retiredguy123]

Solves the common issue that a TV homeowner's sibling can buy a house near TV but have every advantage of TV's amenities.
Not siblings

[GizmoWhiskers]

I believe Florida prohibits towns from adopted regulations that would prohibit STR's.

I think you also need a "License" to operate an STR.

Whether the state or municipality has applicable regulations, shouldn't be relevant when it comes to enforcing Deed Restrictions. Restrictions and Covenants are entirely different issue than zoning.

Florida Short Term Rental Laws: AirBnB & Vacation Rental Regulations (https://awning.com/post/florida-short-term-rental-laws#:~:text=Unlike%20other%20popular%20Airbnb%20l ocations,whether%20or%20not%20owner%2Doccupied).
This link is a nice long "article". When it comes to laws in FL I like to look directly at State Statute as it is the most reliable source not motivated by $ and ad click bait.

Out of curiosity I started looking at the basic State Statute definitions...

Statutes & Constitution
:View Statutes
:

Online Sunshine (http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=0500-0599/0509/Sections/0509.242.html)

[rustyp]

Not siblings

Yes go back and review the context. We are on the same page.

[Skunky1]

Call the state taxing authority and report the owners

[GizmoWhiskers]

What bothers me is the developers non-enforcement of their rules. This will bode ill for the future of our communities. Rules are good.
Hmmmm... buzzz words "class action suit" (?)

I hear T V lost one in the millions. Not sure what the details were. I am sure someone on here knows.

[GizmoWhiskers]

I correct. If you live nearby you absolutely can get a visitors pass. In fact, it lasts for 1 year. It’s called an in area pass. I got one for my daughter who lives in Clermont.
That is family. Yes you can get local family. Try a local friend. Unless the people working at Everglades are clueless you cannot get local people passes.

[cjky2k]

Two things.

1. The Villages has their own rental management company that owner can use to rent out their homes. Hometown Property Management. By the week or month or longer. So I am pretty sure they don’t think rentals are violating the rules. I know this for sure as a friend just bought a place last week he wants to rent until he retires and his Villages sales agent told him all about it.
2. The In-Area pass is different than a Guest Pass. A visitor on a Guest Pass can use all the facilities unaccompanied (but needs pass and ID). A person with an In-Area pass MUST be accompanied by a resident. Will they always get checked at pools? Maybe not. But they sure do when playing golf. This keeps In-Area guests from being able to “act like residents” but allows close family members to enjoy visiting.

[Villagesgal]

Your quote regarding one person residing in the home must be 55 and over is inaccurate. You must be 19 years or older in order to reside permanently in the Villages. Under 19 can reside for up to 30 Days per year. We bought and moved here permanently full time at 45 and 51. We had our home built by the Villages who were well aware of our ages. Short term renters under 55 are ok as long as its for 30 days or less. Check the fine print of your covenants.

The state considers anyone who rents for less than 6 months to be a transient rental accommodations provider and legally required to register with the Florida Department of Revenue for a sales tax certificate. To me needing to pay Sales and Use tax sounds like a business.

Secondly our deed restrictions state:
Section 1. The Subdivision is an adult community designed to provide housing for persons 55 years of age or older. All homes that are occupied must be occupied by at least one person who is at least fifty-five (55) years of age. Note it says occupied and not owned.

That sounds like 2 violations to me.

[bark4me]

I live across the street from an Airbnb - people coming and going every week - most are under the age of 55.

Are there any violations here?
Just wait until some of those short term rentals get smart and decide not to leave and squat there. It'll take the owner a year or two to get them evicted! That'll teach the homeowners.

[Vermilion Villager]

Just like illegally crossing the boarder to get into the USA is not really illegal if those who are charged with enforcement choose to do nothing about it?
Seems this is your "go to statement" for most things........:BigApplause:

[retiredguy123]

Your quote regarding one person residing in the home must be 55 and over is inaccurate. You must be 19 years or older in order to reside permanently in the Villages. Under 19 can reside for up to 30 Days per year. We bought and moved here permanently full time at 45 and 51. We had our home built by the Villages who were well aware of our ages. Short term renters under 55 are ok as long as its for 30 days or less. Check the fine print of your covenants.
As I understand it, the over-55 rule is not a hard and fast rule. As many as 20 percent of the houses can be occupied exclusively by people who are under 55. But, I have never seen any information about who calculates the 20 percent or if it is even enforced at all.

[oldtimes]

Your quote regarding one person residing in the home must be 55 and over is inaccurate. You must be 19 years or older in order to reside permanently in the Villages. Under 19 can reside for up to 30 Days per year. We bought and moved here permanently full time at 45 and 51. We had our home built by the Villages who were well aware of our ages. Short term renters under 55 are ok as long as its for 30 days or less. Check the fine print of your covenants.

All homes that are occupied must be occupied by at least one person who is at least fifty-five (55) years of age

That is the point, the developer is selectively enforcing the restrictions

[retiredguy123]

All homes that are occupied must be occupied by at least one person who is at least fifty-five (55) years of age

That is the point, the developer is selectively enforcing the restrictions
Are you referring to a specific rule? I cannot find any such rule. Here is a recent article I found:

"The population of the Villages grows by approximately 4,500 annually. To maintain its 55+ status under federal law, at least 80 percent of homes must be occupied by at least one person who is 55 years of age or older. The average age in The Villages for a male is 62 and female is 60."

Also, I have read other news articles where The Villages is trying to attract younger residents, and they may allow more under-55 residents in certain areas of The Villages.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Are you referring to a specific rule? I cannot find any such rule. Here is a recent article I found:

"The population of the Villages grows by approximately 4,500 annually. To maintain its 55+ status under federal law, at least 80 percent of homes must be occupied by at least one person who is 55 years of age or older. The average age in The Villages for a male is 62 and female is 60."

Also, I have read other news articles where The Villages is trying to attract younger residents, and they may allow more under-55 residents in certain areas of The Villages.

The 55+ rule is the law specific to an official legal designation of a 55+ community. It's not merely a policy of The Villages.

If the developer or sales rep of a community wants to lawfully advertise the community as a 55+ community they are required to adhere to minimum standards:

"At least 80% of the occupied units are occupied by at least one person 55 years of age or older.

The facility or community publishes and adheres to policies and procedures that demonstrate its intent to in fact be a provider of housing for older persons.

The facility or community complies with rules established by the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD) for verification of occupancy."

This is to protect the elderly from being pushed out of homes, which was an actual thing back in the 1980's and 1990's. The law, the Housing for Older People Act of 1995, addressed this problem.

The Villages was a designated 55+ community but I believe due to lack of enforcement, they lost that designation a couple of years ago. They can still call it a Retirement Community, because that phrase has no minimum legal standards.

[xcaligirl]

Yep - you are spot on - on the block I live on, I am the only owner-resident - very difficult to make friends with neighbors, with the majority of residents shoe-term renters or bnb folks on vacation. Luckily today I met a owner-resident on the street over, and she has taken the “Bull by the horns” and has started a club for the folks in our villas the own their homes (monthly socials).

I’ve been here four months now - absolutely love it - I am in so many clubs/activities right now and meeting great people - just not many of my neighbors in Richmond, which is kind of discouraging, but I’m making it work! Glad to be here, and I wake up very happy each morning, looking forward to the adventures of the day.
Hey, we're also from Lodi! Living in CA all my life,, I rarely ever met someone from or living in Lodi. We liived in Sac, Fair Oaks and Lodi. Left here in '14 and never looked back... We wil go back sometime this year to see relatives....but not a long stay! I do like the food, veggies, fruit much better there.

[retiredguy123]

The 55+ rule is the law specific to an official legal designation of a 55+ community. It's not merely a policy of The Villages.

If the developer or sales rep of a community wants to lawfully advertise the community as a 55+ community they are required to adhere to minimum standards:

"At least 80% of the occupied units are occupied by at least one person 55 years of age or older.

The facility or community publishes and adheres to policies and procedures that demonstrate its intent to in fact be a provider of housing for older persons.

The facility or community complies with rules established by the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD) for verification of occupancy."

This is to protect the elderly from being pushed out of homes, which was an actual thing back in the 1980's and 1990's. The law, the Housing for Older People Act of 1995, addressed this problem.

The Villages was a designated 55+ community but I believe due to lack of enforcement, they lost that designation a couple of years ago. They can still call it a Retirement Community, because that phrase has no minimum legal standards.
The Villages may have lost their over-55 designation, but they still advertise it that way on their website.

[ron32162]

Wrong

[retiredguy123]

Wrong
What is wrong?

[oldtimes]

Are you referring to a specific rule? I cannot find any such rule. Here is a recent article I found:

"The population of the Villages grows by approximately 4,500 annually. To maintain its 55+ status under federal law, at least 80 percent of homes must be occupied by at least one person who is 55 years of age or older. The average age in The Villages for a male is 62 and female is 60."

Also, I have read other news articles where The Villages is trying to attract younger residents, and they may allow more under-55 residents in certain areas of The Villages.

This was taken directly from my deed restrictions:

ARTICLE V. USE RESTRICTIONS
The Subdivision shall be occupied and used only as follows:
Section 1. The Subdivision is an adult community designed to provide housing for persons 55 years of age or older. All homes that are occupied must be occupied by at least one person who is at least fifty-five (55) years of age.
No person under nineteen (19) years of age may be a permanent resident of a home, except that persons below the age of nineteen (19) years may be permitted to visit and temporarily reside for periods not exceeding thirty (30) days in total in any calendar year period, The Declarant or its designee in its Sole discretion shall have the right to establish hardship exceptions to permit individuals between the ages of nineteen (19) and fifty-five {55) to permanently reside in a home even though there is not a permanent resident in the home who is fifty-five (55) years of age or over, providing that said exceptions shall not be permitted in situations where the granting of a hardship exception would result in less than 80% of the Homesites in the Subdivision having less than one resident fifty-five (55) years of age or older, it being the intent that at least 80% of the units shall at all times have at least one resident fifty-five (55) years of age or older. The Declarant shall establish rules, regulations policies and procedures for the purpose of assuring that the foregoing required percentages of adult occupancy are maintained at all times. The Declarant or its designee shall have the sole and absolute authority to deny occupancy of a home by any person(s) who would thereby create a violation of the aforesaid percentages of adult occupancy. Permanent occupancy or residency may be further defined in the Rules and Regulationsof the Subdivision as may be promulgated by the Declarant or its designee from time to time. All residents shall certify from time to time as requested by the Declarant, the names and dates of birth of all occupants of a home.

Section 2. No business of any kind shall be conducted on any residence with the exception of the business of Declarant and the transferees of Declarant in developing and selling all of the Homesites as provided herein

[Bill14564]

This was taken directly from my deed restrictions:

ARTICLE V. USE RESTRICTIONS
The Subdivision shall be occupied and used only as follows:
Section 1. The Subdivision is an adult community designed to provide housing for persons 55 years of age or older. All homes that are occupied must be occupied by at least one person who is at least fifty-five (55) years of age.
No person under nineteen (19) years of age may be a permanent resident of a home, except that persons below the age of nineteen (19) years may be permitted to visit and temporarily reside for periods not exceeding thirty (30) days in total in any calendar year period, The Declarant or its designee in its Sole discretion shall have the right to establish hardship exceptions to permit individuals between the ages of nineteen (19) and fifty-five {55) to permanently reside in a home even though there is not a permanent resident in the home who is fifty-five (55) years of age or over, providing that said exceptions shall not be permitted in situations where the granting of a hardship exception would result in less than 80% of the Homesites in the Subdivision having less than one resident fifty-five (55) years of age or older, it being the intent that at least 80% of the units shall at all times have at least one resident fifty-five (55) years of age or older. The Declarant shall establish rules, regulations policies and procedures for the purpose of assuring that the foregoing required percentages of adult occupancy are maintained at all times. The Declarant or its designee shall have the sole and absolute authority to deny occupancy of a home by any person(s) who would thereby create a violation of the aforesaid percentages of adult occupancy. Permanent occupancy or residency may be further defined in the Rules and Regulationsof the Subdivision as may be promulgated by the Declarant or its designee from time to time. All residents shall certify from time to time as requested by the Declarant, the names and dates of birth of all occupants of a home.

Section 2. No business of any kind shall be conducted on any residence with the exception of the business of Declarant and the transferees of Declarant in developing and selling all of the Homesites as provided herein

My deed restrictions between 466A and 44 are significantly different.

[retiredguy123]

This was taken directly from my deed restrictions:

ARTICLE V. USE RESTRICTIONS
The Subdivision shall be occupied and used only as follows:
Section 1. The Subdivision is an adult community designed to provide housing for persons 55 years of age or older. All homes that are occupied must be occupied by at least one person who is at least fifty-five (55) years of age.
No person under nineteen (19) years of age may be a permanent resident of a home, except that persons below the age of nineteen (19) years may be permitted to visit and temporarily reside for periods not exceeding thirty (30) days in total in any calendar year period, The Declarant or its designee in its Sole discretion shall have the right to establish hardship exceptions to permit individuals between the ages of nineteen (19) and fifty-five {55) to permanently reside in a home even though there is not a permanent resident in the home who is fifty-five (55) years of age or over, providing that said exceptions shall not be permitted in situations where the granting of a hardship exception would result in less than 80% of the Homesites in the Subdivision having less than one resident fifty-five (55) years of age or older, it being the intent that at least 80% of the units shall at all times have at least one resident fifty-five (55) years of age or older. The Declarant shall establish rules, regulations policies and procedures for the purpose of assuring that the foregoing required percentages of adult occupancy are maintained at all times. The Declarant or its designee shall have the sole and absolute authority to deny occupancy of a home by any person(s) who would thereby create a violation of the aforesaid percentages of adult occupancy. Permanent occupancy or residency may be further defined in the Rules and Regulationsof the Subdivision as may be promulgated by the Declarant or its designee from time to time. All residents shall certify from time to time as requested by the Declarant, the names and dates of birth of all occupants of a home.

Section 2. No business of any kind shall be conducted on any residence with the exception of the business of Declarant and the transferees of Declarant in developing and selling all of the Homesites as provided herein
Thank you. Obviously, "all homes" does not mean all homes. There are a lot of exceptions to the over-55 rule. It would be interesting to see what hardship exceptions the developer has established, and if they have documented them. I know several couples living in The Villages who are under 55 and I don't understand what hardship they have. They have fulltime jobs.

[Altavia]

I seen to recall there is a group of homes with short term rentals banned in the restrictions?

In Marsh Bend on Dunham?

[JMintzer]

See Post No. 37.

Saw it. Seems I was correct about not being able to get guest passes for friends "just outside the villages"...

[Pairadocs]

It depends. If the owners of the home are not living there and renting through the AIRBnB platform then there is no violation, even if they are renting by the night. On the other hand, if the owners are living in the home and simultaneously renting out space in their home then two deed restrictions are being violated. First, the home is not being used as a single family residential unit. Second, the owner is running a business out of their home.

There are two kinds of deed restrictions, external and internal. External deed restrictions, like putting a little white cross in one’s front garden, are strictly enforced by community standards once reported. Internal deed restrictions, like running a business out of one’s home, are enforced by the developer once reported. Unfortunately, the developer has chosen to be both very lax and selective about enforcing these restrictions. In my opinion, it should not be the developers job to enforce internal deed restrictions as they have an inherent conflict of interest. Limiting AIRBnB rentals would arguably reduce demand for new homes as certain potential buyers would not have that option of generating income while living in their home. As we are all well aware, selling homes is the developers top priority.

By selectively enforcing some deed restrictions, looking the other way on others, all while very strictly enforcing lesser deed restriction violations that are minimally disruptive to a neighborhood, the whole deed restriction thing has become a sham.

Very much a "sham" ! What we "think" is an AB&B on our street is owned by a Villages agent. It is a mess of activity. All kinds of vehicles come and go, garage packed with so much furniture the vehicles are parked on the drive and the street constantly. Multiple golf carts (not visitor's carts), trucks coming and going constantly. Some neighbors have tried to have something done, nothing legal is possible. Autos can be parked on street all night, places can be rented and the owner can use the garage to collect, store, etc. personal items like multiple golf carts, furniture, various materials one might use on their other rental properties, and so on. It is a shame there are virtually no safe guards on such a nice community !

[Michael 61]

Hey, we're also from Lodi! Living in CA all my life,, I rarely ever met someone from or living in Lodi. We liived in Sac, Fair Oaks and Lodi. Left here in '14 and never looked back... We wil go back sometime this year to see relatives....but not a long stay! I do like the food, veggies, fruit much better there.

Hi xcaligirl,- I was born and raised in Lodi- graduated Lodi High school - my entire family is still in Lodi, and I go back and visit often. The town has grown, but it still has that great “small town” vibe - inevitably, I will still run into someone I knew from growing up in Lodi when I dine out there.

[Regorp]

I live across the street from an Airbnb - people coming and going every week - most are under the age of 55.

Are there any violations here?
Personally, I would never treat my home like a hotel room to rent nightly. Weekly, monthly makes sense. Between renters, the home must be cleaned. Neighbors would get upset with a steady stream of strangers constantly passing thru. Dumb!!

[JGibson]

You can't do that. You cannot get a guest pass for someone who lives within (I think) 50 miles of TV...

But thanks for the "nice" sentiment...

They can use my address, just change a few documents and boom you have a resident ID card for 3 years then they can change their documents back to where they actually live.
We will repeat the process every 3 years, no big deal.

[JMintzer]

They can use my address, just change a few documents and boom you have a resident ID card for 3 years then they can change their documents back to where they actually live.
We will repeat the process every 3 years, no big deal.

Yes, it is a big deal... But nice to know you think theft of services is a nothingburger...

[oldtimes]

Yes, it is a big deal... But nice to know you think theft of services is a nothingburger...

Same as people who have no regards for their neighbors by running an Airbnb in their homes.

[Bay Kid]

I feel so bad for the neighbors close to ABBs. Like living next to a hotel.

[Cybersprings]

I really am so tired of the elitism on this site. Hate for snowbirds, hate for AirBnBs, etc. Stop lumping everyone into groups so you can consider yourself so much more worthy than them.

I am seasonal. With a 4 bedroom designer, I pay more taxes than most (excluding Premier) and equal amount of amenity. I have every right to be here and then escape the heat in the summer. I don't need your welcome here (referring to "good riddance" and other comments on other threads), I am just as entitled to be here as you are.

Come this time of year, I am quite thankful that the crowds are lighter and it is easier to get in businesses, but I don't hate or criticise the people who choose to be here a shorter period than me. I don't need to tear them down in order to build myself up.

And if people are coming and going frequently, what business is it of yours? We have neighbors who live here year round, have lots of people over to socialize (carts and cars), and let there dog out to do business in our circle landscaping and often in my yard. Renters are no more rude or disrespectful as a group than year round residents. If people are causing obnoxious noise issues, or parking and blocking your driveway, or whatever your valid complaint is, then that is the complaint, not renters, snowbirds, or whatever other group you consider beneath you and not worthy of living in your midst. Complain about whatever offense occurs (not that you need my permission) but your identify politics shows what the real problems are.

[oldtimes]

I really am so tired of the elitism on this site. Hate for snowbirds, hate for AirBnBs, etc. Stop lumping everyone into groups so you can consider yourself so much more worthy than them.

I am seasonal. With a 4 bedroom designer, I pay more taxes than most (excluding Premier) and equal amount of amenity. I have every right to be here and then escape the heat in the summer. I don't need your welcome here (referring to "good riddance" and other comments on other threads), I am just as entitled to be here as you are.

Come this time of year, I am quite thankful that the crowds are lighter and it is easier to get in businesses, but I don't hate or criticise the people who choose to be here a shorter period than me. I don't need to tear them down in order to build myself up.

And if people are coming and going frequently, what business is it of yours? We have neighbors who live here year round, have lots of people over to socialize (carts and cars), and let there dog out to do business in our circle landscaping and often in my yard. Renters are no more rude or disrespectful as a group than year round residents. If people are causing obnoxious noise issues, or parking and blocking your driveway, or whatever your valid complaint is, then that is the complaint, not renters, snowbirds, or whatever other group you consider beneath you and not worthy of living in your midst. Complain about whatever offense occurs (not that you need my permission) but your identify politics shows what the real problems are.

Firstly I love my snowbird neighbors.
Airbnbs however are a violation of deed restrictions and contrary to what is being sold as an over 55 retirement community. The Villages is committing fraud by advertising it as such and not enforcing the deed restrictions.

[Bill14564]

Firstly I love my snowbird neighbors.
Airbnbs however are a violation of deed restrictions and contrary to what is being sold as an over 55 retirement community. The Villages is committing fraud by advertising it as such and not enforcing the deed restrictions.

That is your opinion. Perhaps it is an opinion based on a difference between your deed restrictions and mine. But, it is an opinion that is apparently not shared by the Villages.

[oldtimes]

That is your opinion. Perhaps it is an opinion based on a difference between your deed restrictions and mine. But, it is an opinion that is apparently not shared by the Villages.

Mine and the State of Florida’s
Housing-55 & Older Communities — Florida Commission on Human Relations (https://fchr.myflorida.com/fchr55andolderhousing)

Where is the verification of occupancy for short term rentals?

[Bill14564]

Mine and the State of Florida’s
Housing-55 & Older Communities — Florida Commission on Human Relations (https://fchr.myflorida.com/fchr55andolderhousing)

Where is the verification of occupancy for short term rentals?

I don't see anything in there mentioning AirBnB or short term rentals. Where did I miss it?

I certainly don't know where the verification of occupancy for short term rentals is but until you can show that any requirements are NOT being met, I will assume that they are.

[oldtimes]

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I don't see anything in there mentioning AirBnB or short term rentals. Where did I miss it?

I certainly don't know where the verification of occupancy for short term rentals is but until you can show that any requirements are NOT being met, I will assume that they are.

It also states “the facility or community publishes and adheres to policies and procedures that demonstrate its intent to in fact be a provider of housing for older persons.” Airbnbs do not fit that requirement either.

[Papa_lecki]

“For a community to be considered "housing for older persons" as a 55+ community, the housing must be intended and operated for occupancy by persons 55 years of age or older……”

There are a lot of 30 and 40 year old who are interested in cardio drumming, bocce and the other 10,000 clubs dedicated to 55+.

As far as housing, I bet north of 95% are occupied by 55+.

[Bill14564]

It also states “the facility or community publishes and adheres to policies and procedures that demonstrate its intent to in fact be a provider of housing for older persons.” Airbnbs do not fit that requirement either.

“For a community to be considered "housing for older persons" as a 55+ community, the housing must be intended and operated for occupancy by persons 55 years of age or older……”

There are a lot of 30 and 40 year old who are interested in cardio drumming, bocce and the other 10,000 clubs dedicated to 55+.

As far as housing, I bet north of 95% are occupied by 55+.

From the HOPA Questions and Answers document:
In order to qualify for the exemption, the housing community/facility must satisfy each of the following requirements:
a) at least 80 percent of the occupied units must be occupied by at least one person 55 years of age or older per unit;
b) the owner or management of the housing facility/community must publish and adhere to policies and procedures that demonstrate an intent to provide housing for persons 55 years or older; and
c) the facility/community must comply with rules issued by the Secretary for verification of occupancy through reliable surveys and affidavits.

AirBnBs are not in violation of those requirements. AirBnBs that rent to under 55 are not in violation of those requirements. A "bet" that 95% of AirBnBs rent to under 55 still does not violate those requirements.

I'll say that I bet that over 80% of the homes are occupied by at least one person over the age of 55. There, that settles it.

[retiredguy123]

Mine and the State of Florida’s
Housing-55 & Older Communities — Florida Commission on Human Relations (https://fchr.myflorida.com/fchr55andolderhousing)

Where is the verification of occupancy for short term rentals?
So, if The Villages doesn't comply with the 80 percent rule for over-55 communities, people with children 18 and under can start moving in. I don't see how this has anything to do with AIRbnbs.

Why can't The Villages clearly define what they mean by operating a business and enforce their own rule?

[oldtimes]

From the HOPA Questions and Answers document:
In order to qualify for the exemption, the housing community/facility must satisfy each of the following requirements:
a) at least 80 percent of the occupied units must be occupied by at least one person 55 years of age or older per unit;
b) the owner or management of the housing facility/community must publish and adhere to policies and procedures that demonstrate an intent to provide housing for persons 55 years or older; and
c) the facility/community must comply with rules issued by the Secretary for verification of occupancy through reliable surveys and affidavits.

AirBnBs are not in violation of those requirements. AirBnBs that rent to under 55 are not in violation of those requirements. A "bet" that 95% of AirBnBs rent to under 55 still does not violate those requirements.

I'll say that I bet that over 80% of the homes are occupied by at least one person over the age of 55. There, that settles it.

It has to be verified not just your opinion and I would like to know how they comply with this rule.

[Bill14564]

It has to be verified not just your opinion and I would like to know how they comply with this rule.

I would suggest a call to Customer Service or asking at a VCCDD meeting.

[BrianL99]

From the HOPA Questions and Answers document:
In order to qualify for the exemption, the housing community/facility must satisfy each of the following requirements:
a) at least 80 percent of the occupied units must be occupied by at least one person 55 years of age or older per unit;
b) the owner or management of the housing facility/community must publish and adhere to policies and procedures that demonstrate an intent to provide housing for persons 55 years or older; and
c) the facility/community must comply with rules issued by the Secretary for verification of occupancy through reliable surveys and affidavits.

AirBnBs are not in violation of those requirements. AirBnBs that rent to under 55 are not in violation of those requirements. A "bet" that 95% of AirBnBs rent to under 55 still does not violate those requirements.

I'll say that I bet that over 80% of the homes are occupied by at least one person over the age of 55. There, that settles it.

Being in compliance with the Law and being in compliance with Deed Restrictions and Covenants are two separate and distinct issues.

[Altavia]

So, if The Villages doesn't comply with the 80 percent rule for over-55 communities, people with children 18 and under can start moving in. I don't see how this has anything to do with AIRbnbs.

Why can't The Villages clearly define what they mean by operating a business and enforce their own rule?


Some of these seem to be owned by Villages Rep's...

[Papa_lecki]

It has to be verified not just your opinion and I would like to know how they comply with this rule.


First, it’s a HUD certification - so no comments about the developer having the state in its pocket.
Second, you can actually read here - find section 100.306

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/588649581b10e370157a9395/t/5a2eaf1f9140b79f63043e31/1513008927974/HOPA+1995+Final+DOC_7770.PDF

And it’s more than the 80% OCCUPANCY rules (not ownership), section 100.305 lays out all the stuff that must happen to be considered senior.

§ 100.307 Verification of occupancy.
(a) In order for a housing facility or community to qualify as housing for persons 55 years of age or older, it must be able to produce, in response to a complaint filed under this title, verification of compliance with
§ 100.305 through reliable surveys and affidavits.

Remember, the legislation was drafted prior to AIRBNB being a thing.
Surveys and affidavit of the 80% rule has to happen every two year.
If you REALLY think more than 20% of the units are occupied by those under 55, FOIA the affidavit.
But just by driving around here, we are no where near 20% under 55.

[Whitley]

Why would so many people under 55 years old want to come here for vacation?

[oldtimes]

Why would so many people under 55 years old want to come here for vacation?

Golf, pools, pickleball, music, restaurants, etc, etc, etc

[Papa_lecki]

Why would so many people under 55 years old want to come here for vacation?

The see their parents/grandparents who are over 55.

[golfing eagles]

I really am so tired of the elitism on this site. Hate for snowbirds, hate for AirBnBs, etc. Stop lumping everyone into groups so you can consider yourself so much more worthy than them.

I am seasonal. With a 4 bedroom designer, I pay more taxes than most (excluding Premier) and equal amount of amenity. I have every right to be here and then escape the heat in the summer. I don't need your welcome here (referring to "good riddance" and other comments on other threads), I am just as entitled to be here as you are.

Come this time of year, I am quite thankful that the crowds are lighter and it is easier to get in businesses, but I don't hate or criticise the people who choose to be here a shorter period than me. I don't need to tear them down in order to build myself up.

And if people are coming and going frequently, what business is it of yours? We have neighbors who live here year round, have lots of people over to socialize (carts and cars), and let there dog out to do business in our circle landscaping and often in my yard. Renters are no more rude or disrespectful as a group than year round residents. If people are causing obnoxious noise issues, or parking and blocking your driveway, or whatever your valid complaint is, then that is the complaint, not renters, snowbirds, or whatever other group you consider beneath you and not worthy of living in your midst. Complain about whatever offense occurs (not that you need my permission) but your identify politics shows what the real problems are.

I likewise love my snowbird neighbors. However, I think you are over simplifying the situation. Let's list the types of residents who are not full time:

1) People who own a home in TV and up north, stay here during the winter and close it up for the summer.

2) People who own a home and are still working with the goal to retire here so they rent out long term

3) People who bought something like a villa for the sole purpose of renting it out as a business, but won't rent for less than a month and usually have a property manager

4) Air BNB's that rent for a day or 2, or a week.

Now, which would you want next to your home? And remember, that air BNB could be rented for a week to spring break 18 year olds who bring 3 kegs of beer (but won't share with you)

[LuvtheVillages]

It has to be verified not just your opinion and I would like to know how they comply with this rule.

In order to verify that over 80% of the homes are occupied by at least one person over the age of 55, The Villages uses the ID cards that have been issued to all homeowners.

They can keep track of everyone's birthdate and age, and can easily verify compliance with the 80% rule.

[retiredguy123]

In order to verify that over 80% of the homes are occupied by at least one person over the age of 55, The Villages uses the ID cards that have been issued to all homeowners.

They can keep track of everyone's birthdate and age, and can easily verify compliance with the 80% rule.
Not so easy. Being a homeowner doesn't mean that are a resident. Also, being a homeowner who is under 55, doesn't mean that you don't have a housemate or tenant who is over 55. The rule is about residents, not homeowners.

[Papa_lecki]

Not so easy. Being a homeowner doesn't mean that are a resident. Also, being a homeowner who is under 55, doesn't mean that you don't have a housemate or tenant who is over 55. The rule is about residents, not homeowners.

Rule is occupant. If you own and rent, and your tenant wants an owners ID, owner needs to turn in their ID to get new one issued. So they know age of all occupants.
And the attestation is at a point in time

[retiredguy123]

Rule is occupant. If you own and rent, and your tenant wants an owners ID, owner needs to turn in their ID to get new one issued. So they know age of all occupants.
And the attestation is at a point in time
Somehow, I don't think The Villages database on the number of occupants and their ages is very accurate. And, I don't think The Federal Government (HUD) audits the data or even cares.

[GizmoWhiskers]

Its all about the money. It cost the developer money to enforce the rules. In this case the developer does not gain anything by enforcing this rule. So they have no incentive to spend money to stop it.

Break a rule that disrupts their income, and the developer will come at you hard.
Is not this an example of short term rental business in a single residential home? Found on Facebook. Is this type of rental a business being run out of a villa and is it allowed per deed restriction?

https://endlesssummerace.wixsite.com/santiago/tall-trees-village

[GizmoWhiskers]

I feel so bad for the neighbors close to ABBs. Like living next to a hotel.
Parents, aged 84, have one next door but it is not a registered ABnB. It is a sole owner personally doing the ads etc. Constant traffic. Some people nice some not. People complain about the. cleanliness of the house. No safe guards. It's terrible.

[nn0wheremann]

I live across the street from an Airbnb - people coming and going every week - most are under the age of 55.

Are there any violations here?
Short term rentals seem like problems waiting to happen.

[oldtimes]

Short term rentals seem like problems waiting to happen.

They are not waiting to happen, in my neighborhood they are already happening. One of my neighbors has one next door that is making her miserable.

[Normal]

The whole situation has gotten out of hand. County governments need to get a handle on this. Maybe they could grandfather current situations, regulate, inspect and close down rentals were needed. Pinches can be applied on cleanliness, time slotting terms and taxation.

[oldtimes]

The whole situation has gotten out of hand. County governments need to get a handle on this. Maybe they could grandfather current situations, regulate, inspect and close down rentals were needed. Pinches can be applied on cleanliness, time slotting terms and taxation.

Or, TV could just enforce the deed restrictions

[RedChariot]

The whole situation has gotten out of hand. County governments need to get a handle on this. Maybe they could grandfather current situations, regulate, inspect and close down rentals were needed. Pinches can be applied on cleanliness, time slotting terms and taxation.

This situation could result in The Villages becoming a less than desirable place to purchase a private home. It would behoove the developer to endorse the deed restrictions.

[MX rider]

They are not waiting to happen, in my neighborhood they are already happening. One of my neighbors has one next door that is making her miserable.

Luckily our neighborhood doesn't have many rentals. But we realize that can change at any time. I'm not as worried about long term as I am short term, but I still prefer getting to know my neighbors. And we love the ones we have.

It would be nice if there wasn't any short term rentals but I don't think they can regulate that.

[JGibson]

Yes, it is a big deal... But nice to know you think theft of services is a nothingburger...

Theft of service is 7 people under 55 living in an Airbnb and the landlord doesn't pay a dime more than me in amenities.

[Normal]

Theft of service is 7 people under 55 living in an Airbnb and the landlord doesn't pay a dime more than me in amenities.

Exactly. A fun couple of days, zero responsibilities and stealing amenities cost us all more. Airbnbs should all pay a large tax to community development instead of allowing theft. It kind of reminds me of Netflix before they cracked down.

A quick internet search at Airbnb even has a 2 week old new home available

Access Denied (https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/863369091605436298?adults=1&check_in=2023-04-20&check_out=2023-04-26&federated_search_id=bc982651-3788-4c4e-ad71-34738f285855&source_impression_id=p3_1681229784_soVSK%2FDEb9614 94m)

This home is on Newel Loop; new construction with building going on around it.

[oldtimes]

Hmmmm... buzzz words "class action suit" (?)

I hear T V lost one in the millions. Not sure what the details were. I am sure someone on here knows.

Does anyone think the POA would take this on? Are any of you members?

[JMintzer]

Theft of service is 7 people under 55 living in an Airbnb and the landlord doesn't pay a dime more than me in amenities.

Rationalization is a wonderful thing...

[Velvet]

Theft of service is 7 people under 55 living in an Airbnb and the landlord doesn't pay a dime more than me in amenities.

Well that might explain it! A neighborhood pool, which was regularly not crowded for many years during the “busy” season, was so crowded this year - mostly by under 40 year olds, that I couldn’t find a free chair and I had to cart to another pool. Which meant not being able to talk and socialize with my pool friends. This is an established area and the amount of renters was shocking they are actually elbowing out the residents.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Is not this an example of short term rental business in a single residential home? Found on Facebook. Is this type of rental a business being run out of a villa and is it allowed per deed restriction?

https://endlesssummerace.wixsite.com/santiago/tall-trees-village

I would recommend /not/ clicking on the above link. First off - it's a link found on a Facebook group page and their admin doesn't vet their contributors or the links they post.

Second - a simple search for "endlesssummerace" returns - nothing. Except that post on Facebook.

Third - wix is a cloud server hosting service used often by phishing scammers. Even though wix itself is a legitimate service, it is popular with scammers because they also don't vet their subscribers.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Exactly. A fun couple of days, zero responsibilities and stealing amenities cost us all more. Airbnbs should all pay a large tax to community development instead of allowing theft. It kind of reminds me of Netflix before they cracked down.

A quick internet search at Airbnb even has a 2 week old new home available

Access Denied (https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/863369091605436298?adults=1&check_in=2023-04-20&check_out=2023-04-26&federated_search_id=bc982651-3788-4c4e-ad71-34738f285855&source_impression_id=p3_1681229784_soVSK%2FDEb9614 94m)

This home is on Newel Loop; new construction with building going on around it.

They're supposed to be paying the tourism tax (not to the developers but to the county). Short term rentals are subject to that tax. Any homeowner who rents their home for short-term use, who is /not/ paying the tourism tax, is violating the law.

You don't call community standards for that. You call the tax department of whichever county the property is in.

[BrianL99]

Theft of service is 7 people under 55 living in an Airbnb and the landlord doesn't pay a dime more than me in amenities.

Is there no limit to the # of Guest/Resident Passes someone can get? A limit, based on the # of bedrooms, perhaps?

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Is there no limit to the # of Guest/Resident Passes someone can get? A limit, based on the # of bedrooms, perhaps?

2 resident passes per unit. No idea about guest passes.

[Normal]

2 resident passes per unit. No idea about guest passes.

So basically, no sports pool use

[LuvNH]

I would recommend /not/ clicking on the above link. First off - it's a link found on a Facebook group page and their admin doesn't vet their contributors or the links they post.

Second - a simple search for "endlesssummerace" returns - nothing. Except that post on Facebook.

Third - wix is a cloud server hosting service used often by phishing scammers. Even though wix itself is a legitimate service, it is popular with scammers because they also don't vet their subscribers.

Endless Summer is a legitimate Florida rental company with offices all over Florida. They are a reputable organization for someone looking for a rental. We used to rent around Clearwater and they are big there.

[Velvet]

If TV can’t get out of renting Airbnb legally, then I think it is time we spend more on Community Watch and enforcement. A few people benefit from renting, a lot of us suffer because of it. Otherwise, we are going down the drain overwhelmed with people who neither know or care about the effort put in by the developer and the residents to make this a beautiful pleasant place. I mean just for example; trash, and drinking, playing loud music, and diving and trying to swim in the neighborhood pools and over crowded homes where the renters invite their own guests etc. if it continues like this I see TV going to hell in a hand basket.

[JohnnyKat]

Airbnb's in The Villages: In general - very general...It's one negative over, say, living in On Top Of The World. By the way. So you don't feel bad. OTOW has an awful HOA that only benefits the billionaire owner. We have some nice pros that come with being in facade of what is The Villages - heavy seasonal congestion NOT being one of them, of course. We hear you, Velvet. Add the Airbnb burden to the fact that we're becoming more and more southern NJ /NY everyday by way of sheer population influx...

[LuvNH]

If TV can’t get out of renting Airbnb legally, then I think it is time we spend more on Community Watch and enforcement. A few people benefit from renting, a lot of us suffer because of it. Otherwise, we are going down the drain overwhelmed with people who neither know or care about the effort put in by the developer and the residents to make this a beautiful pleasant place. I mean just for example; trash, and drinking, playing loud music, and diving and trying to swim in the neighborhood pools and over crowded homes where the renters invite their own guests etc. if it continues like this I see TV going to hell in a hand basket.

Before settling in TV we rented every winter on the beach in various towns from Clearwater to Johns Pass. The rental motels and condo lunits stood out like a sore thumb from the high end condos that did not allow rentals. You can travel through TV and see immediately those homes that are rentals compared to the homes that are year round residents.

[tophcfa]

You can travel through TV and see immediately those homes that are rentals compared to the homes that are year round residents.

With Airbnb’s, many rear round residents are renting out space in their homes while living there.

[oldtimes]

Before settling in TV we rented every winter on the beach in various towns from Clearwater to Johns Pass. The rental motels and condo lunits stood out like a sore thumb from the high end condos that did not allow rentals. You can travel through TV and see immediately those homes that are rentals compared to the homes that are year round residents.

It doesn't seem like much of a problem until it happens in your neighborhood and then you understand but it is too late. The developer needs to decide if it is going to continue to be an over 55 retirement community or go back to being a trailer park.

This is copied from the **** site, makes The Villages a pretty cheap place to stay:

Prices start at $60 per night, and houses and villas are popular options for a stay in The Villages. Either way, you'll find a rental for everyone's needs.

[BrianL99]

It doesn't seem like much of a problem until it happens in your neighborhood and then you understand but it is too late. The developer needs to decide if it is going to continue to be an over 55 retirement community or go back to being a trailer park.
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Personally, I'm opposed to STR's in any neighborhood, anywhere ... The Villages included.

That said, rental desirability is one of the main drivers of property values in TV. If TV was to eliminate STR's tomorrow, property values would like drop about 10% overnight (in addition to the current market forces, which are devaluing properties everywhere). Just a wild estimate, but I suspect about 10% of the Units in TV are available for rental, perhaps more. If you remove 10%-15% of available buyers from a specific market, prices are going to drop.

STR's drive the values in 2 ways. A) They soak up inventory, B) Investor buyers can and do act quickly and decisively when buying property and are usually buying with all cash.

In the past (particularly last year or so) "panic buying" became another driver of property appreciation. When inventory is selling past, people act quickly and pay to dollar.

[oldtimes]

Personally, I'm opposed to STR's in any neighborhood, anywhere ... The Villages included.

That said, rental desirability is one of the main drivers of property values in TV. If TV was to eliminate STR's tomorrow, property values would like drop about 10% overnight (in addition to the current market forces, which are devaluing properties everywhere). Just a wild estimate, but I suspect about 10% of the Units in TV are available for rental, perhaps more. If you remove 10%-15% of available buyers from a specific market, prices are going to drop.

STR's drive the values in 2 ways. A) They soak up inventory, B) Investor buyers can and do act quickly and decisively when buying property and are usually buying with all cash.

In the past (particularly last year or so) "panic buying" became another driver of property appreciation. When inventory is selling past, people act quickly and pay to dollar.

Prices are going to drop as these cheap, short term rentals ruin what is supposed to be a retirement community. No one is going to pay top dollar to live next to a cheap hotel.

[Velvet]

Personally, I'm opposed to STR's in any neighborhood, anywhere ... The Villages included.

That said, rental desirability is one of the main drivers of property values in TV. If TV was to eliminate STR's tomorrow, property values would like drop about 10% overnight (in addition to the current market forces, which are devaluing properties everywhere). Just a wild estimate, but I suspect about 10% of the Units in TV are available for rental, perhaps more. If you remove 10%-15% of available buyers from a specific market, prices are going to drop.

STR's drive the values in 2 ways. A) They soak up inventory, B) Investor buyers can and do act quickly and decisively when buying property and are usually buying with all cash.

In the past (particularly last year or so) "panic buying" became another driver of property appreciation. When inventory is selling past, people act quickly and pay to dollar.

Yes, but when it comes to residents how much do they care about their property value if they plan to live here? How much do they care about their daily quality of life in comparison (as affected by predatory rentals). Whether you say my house is worth 300K, 500K, or 1000K it makes no real difference to me. It’s exactly the same house! Unless you are an investor, generally the value of your property doesn’t mean much. Perhaps it does to the kids who may inherit it after you die.

[BrianL99]

Yes, but when it comes to residents how much do they care about their property value if they plan to live here? How much do they care about their daily quality of life in comparison (as affected by predatory rentals). Whether you say my house is worth 300K, 500K, or 1000K it makes no real difference to me. It’s exactly the same house! Unless you are an investor, generally the value of your property doesn’t mean much. Perhaps it does to the kids who may inherit it after you die.


I agree 100%, which is one of the reasons I'm completely against STR's. They bring nothing of value and detract from the neighborhoods and amenities.

That said, Villagers (as most everywhere else) love to think about how much their house has appreciated and how much it's now worth. We are one of the few countries in the world, that view homes as "investments" and not simply the purchase of shelter.

[Velvet]

Yes, and when your house is valued higher because of the market - you still have exactly the same thing - but when it is assessed it is higher so you get to pay a higher property tax. Every year.

[Pairadocs]

Yep - you are spot on - on the block I live on, I am the only owner-resident - very difficult to make friends with neighbors, with the majority of residents shoe-term renters or bnb folks on vacation. Luckily today I met a owner-resident on the street over, and she has taken the “Bull by the horns” and has started a club for the folks in our villas the own their homes (monthly socials).

I’ve been here four months now - absolutely love it - I am in so many clubs/activities right now and meeting great people - just not many of my neighbors in Richmond, which is kind of discouraging, but I’m making it work! Glad to be here, and I wake up very happy each morning, looking forward to the adventures of the day.

That's great to hear. Most places are what you make them to be, but yes, the Villages used to be a much friendlier place so matter what village you lived in. At one time most part time people had villas, not all to be sure, but with the advent of property buying as an income steam, then AB&B and similar, it's just a completely different place, but you don't have to become negative (many do, many leave disillusioned and a steady stream of new residents keep coming), those who can see "the good", make friends and have a rich life. Even the opportunities to volunteer here in so many ways to enrich your life and the lives of so many with so many needs, is truly amazing, and always leads to more genuine friends.

[Pairadocs]

If TV can’t get out of renting Airbnb legally, then I think it is time we spend more on Community Watch and enforcement. A few people benefit from renting, a lot of us suffer because of it. Otherwise, we are going down the drain overwhelmed with people who neither know or care about the effort put in by the developer and the residents to make this a beautiful pleasant place. I mean just for example; trash, and drinking, playing loud music, and diving and trying to swim in the neighborhood pools and over crowded homes where the renters invite their own guests etc. if it continues like this I see TV going to hell in a hand basket.

If you really want to see what: lack of ability to ENFORCE rules/covenants (not due to will, but lack of legal authority of "security", "ambassadors" "village watch personnel", or whatever various developments decide to call such people, look at Hot Springs Villages in Arkansas (older than The Villages, Fl ) and what it has become. An absolutely beautiful area, lakes, golf courses, even a national park, man made beaches, homes with private docks, on and on. But as short term renting took hold, not "snowbirds" but just purchasing a number of properties for income, many listed on AB&B eventually, others arranged by owners themselves, everything began a down hill slide which accelerated with each new year. "Gangsomes" (strongly "prohibited by the HOA) quickly became the norm on every holiday, Memorial Day, Fourth of July, etc. Resident's drives were blocked with the over limit of vehicles, cookouts and pool parties were often loud, and the "community security" were not vested with any legal power at all. County police were very reluctant to get "involved" with the legal resident tax payers, and although the "gates" are highly visible, the streets are actually public, not private, so people just drive right past the "gate guards". It is amazing how fast beautiful retirement areas, like our here, can deteriorate once the "rental crowd" moves in (again...NOT speaking of residents who just divide their time between there homes, at Hot Springs Villages this has become a business, and the lives of many residents, especially those in town houses and whose homes are on smaller lots, have become a retirement nightmare, not a retirement dream. IF we, residents here, were wise, we'd "nip the problem in the bud".... an old phrase my parents and grandparents used to use :rant-rave: P.S., not "hearsay", have two relatives who built there, difference in what it WAS before rentals and AB&B for investments, and what it is now, is heartbreaking. Land, lakes, forests and golf courses still beautiful, but the QUALITY of life has been downhill for the retirees there. The short term, week, night, and weekend people, don't give a "damn" about the golf courses, beaches, walking trails, or sports amenities.

[Pairadocs]

Somehow, I don't think The Villages database on the number of occupants and their ages is very accurate. And, I don't think The Federal Government (HUD) audits the data or even cares.

LOL, of course they don't care. I'm not prone to sarcasm, so only stating a fact. IF you think about it, it's really to no one's advantage to put any resources (personnel, money) into something like that, except for a "few old people" who are really not a threat to anyone's power or business interests, no one really suffers. IF this became an element that had economic impact, on the county, on the development corp. of the Villages, then it would probably become a high priority item. But most people only see the surface of ANY location they visit, it's not possible to view the "under belly" without living here for a substantial period of time. Who said, LOL, "you sell the sizzle and the aroma, the quality and size of the steak that arrives is not the focus"...LOL !

[Normal]

Just petition the local government (I think yours is Sumter Co or Wildwood) to write an ordinance against short term rentals. It has worked well in NY and NJ. The vast majority of voters are against them! After all, how many want to lose property value?

Here is an article for you to read.

How Airbnb’s Fight to Overturn a New Jersey Law Imploded | WIRED (https://www.wired.com/story/how-airbnbs-fight-overturn-new-jersey-law-imploded/)

[tophcfa]

Just petition the local government (I think yours is Sumter Co or Wildwood) to write an ordinance against short term rentals. It has worked well in NY and NJ. The vast majority of voters are against them! After all, how many want to lose property value?

Here is an article for you to read.

How Airbnb’s Fight to Overturn a New Jersey Law Imploded | WIRED (https://www.wired.com/story/how-airbnbs-fight-overturn-new-jersey-law-imploded/)

Things only happen in Sumter County that a certain entity wants to happen. That would be the same entity that does not enforce the deed restrictions violated by AIRBnB’s. The only way to get these things shut down would be for new home buyers to collectively back away until something concrete is done about the problem.

[Velvet]

If you really want to see what: lack of ability to ENFORCE rules/covenants (not due to will, but lack of legal authority of "security", "ambassadors" "village watch personnel", or whatever various developments decide to call such people, look at Hot Springs Villages in Arkansas (older than The Villages, Fl ) and what it has become. An absolutely beautiful area, lakes, golf courses, even a national park, man made beaches, homes with private docks, on and on. But as short term renting took hold, not "snowbirds" but just purchasing a number of properties for income, many listed on AB&B eventually, others arranged by owners themselves, everything began a down hill slide which accelerated with each new year. "Gangsomes" (strongly "prohibited by the HOA) quickly became the norm on every holiday, Memorial Day, Fourth of July, etc. Resident's drives were blocked with the over limit of vehicles, cookouts and pool parties were often loud, and the "community security" were not vested with any legal power at all. County police were very reluctant to get "involved" with the legal resident tax payers, and although the "gates" are highly visible, the streets are actually public, not private, so people just drive right past the "gate guards". It is amazing how fast beautiful retirement areas, like our here, can deteriorate once the "rental crowd" moves in (again...NOT speaking of residents who just divide their time between there homes, at Hot Springs Villages this has become a business, and the lives of many residents, especially those in town houses and whose homes are on smaller lots, have become a retirement nightmare, not a retirement dream. IF we, residents here, were wise, we'd "nip the problem in the bud".... an old phrase my parents and grandparents used to use :rant-rave: P.S., not "hearsay", have two relatives who built there, difference in what it WAS before rentals and AB&B for investments, and what it is now, is heartbreaking. Land, lakes, forests and golf courses still beautiful, but the QUALITY of life has been downhill for the retirees there. The short term, week, night, and weekend people, don't give a "damn" about the golf courses, beaches, walking trails, or sports amenities.

Unless something is done I can see TV going in the same direction. We have money, there is political pull, look at all the politicians who come to TV. What are our options?

[Bill14564]

Things only happen in Sumter County that a certain entity wants to happen. That would be the same entity that does not enforce the deed restrictions violated by AIRBnB’s.

Which District/Unit has a deed restriction that you believe prohibits an AB&B? I have looked at several of the units in District 10 and they do not have such a restriction. Can you point me to one that does?

I know there is at least one in an area south of 44 but I believe that is the exception and not the rule.

[oldtimes]

Which District/Unit has a deed restriction that you believe prohibits an AB&B? I have looked at several of the units in District 10 and they do not have such a restriction. Can you point me to one that does?

I know there is at least one in an area south of 44 but I believe that is the exception and not the rule.

This is the first one I looked at in District 10. I saw the same in every one I checked.

2.24 The Subdivision is an adult community designed to provide housing for persons 55 years
of age or older. All Homes that are occupied must be occupied by at least one person who is at least fifty-five (55)
years of age.

2.10 Properties within the Subdivision are intended for residential use and no commercial,
professional or similar activity requiring either maintaining an inventory, equipment or customer/client visits may
be conducted in a Home or on a Homesite.

[tophcfa]

Which District/Unit has a deed restriction that you believe prohibits an AB&B? I have looked at several of the units in District 10 and they do not have such a restriction. Can you point me to one that does?

I know there is at least one in an area south of 44 but I believe that is the exception and not the rule.

See posts #5 and 13. That’s in CDD1, a district considered to have more relaxed deed restrictions.

[Normal]

This is the first one I looked at in District 10. I saw the same in every one I checked.

2.24 The Subdivision is an adult community designed to provide housing for persons 55 years
of age or older. All Homes that are occupied must be occupied by at least one person who is at least fifty-five (55)
years of age.

2.10 Properties within the Subdivision are intended for residential use and no commercial,
professional or similar activity requiring either maintaining an inventory, equipment or customer/client visits may
be conducted in a Home or on a Homesite.

Chapter 680 Section 1031 - 2011 Florida Statutes - The Florida Senate (https://www.flsenate.gov/Laws/Statutes/2011/680.1031)


Florida law
(c) “Commercial unit” means such a unit of goods as by commercial usage is a single whole for purposes of lease and division of which materially impairs its character or value on the market or in use. A commercial unit may be a single article, as a machine, or a set of articles, as a suite of furniture or a line of machinery, or a quantity, as a gross or carload, or any other unit treated in use or in the relevant market as a single whole.
(d) “Conforming” goods or performance under a lease contract means goods or performance that are in accordance with the obligations under the lease contract.

It covers leases as a commercial sale.

There are 350 V R B O s and Air Bnbs in The Villages…the landlords are vastly outnumbered 100 to 1. The laws should be enforced.

[Bill14564]

This is the first one I looked at in District 10. I saw the same in every one I checked.

2.24 The Subdivision is an adult community designed to provide housing for persons 55 years
of age or older. All Homes that are occupied must be occupied by at least one person who is at least fifty-five (55)
years of age.

2.10 Properties within the Subdivision are intended for residential use and no commercial,
professional or similar activity requiring either maintaining an inventory, equipment or customer/client visits may
be conducted in a Home or on a Homesite.

For 2.10, a renter is not inventory or equipment and renting is not likely to be considered a customer/client visit to the business in the sense that it is used in this section. I posted something similar in #15.

2.24 is much longer than those two sentences. Other sentences in that section mention "occupied," "permanent resident," and "80% of the Homesites." If you can make the argument that this section applies to visitors or that AB&Bs are only rented by those under 55 or that there are more than 14,000 AB&Bs (20% of 70,000 homes) rented by someone under 55 at any one time then perhaps that would trigger a violation of this section.

[oldtimes]

Chapter 680 Section 1031 - 2011 Florida Statutes - The Florida Senate (https://www.flsenate.gov/Laws/Statutes/2011/680.1031)


Florida law
(c) “Commercial unit” means such a unit of goods as by commercial usage is a single whole for purposes of lease and division of which materially impairs its character or value on the market or in use. A commercial unit may be a single article, as a machine, or a set of articles, as a suite of furniture or a line of machinery, or a quantity, as a gross or carload, or any other unit treated in use or in the relevant market as a single whole.
(d) “Conforming” goods or performance under a lease contract means goods or performance that are in accordance with the obligations under the lease contract.

It covers leases as a commercial sale.

There are 350 V R B O s and Air Bnbs in The Villages…the landlords are vastly outnumbered 100 to 1. The laws should be enforced.

My search found 834 airbnbs and 1124 v r b o s and it is a growing trend

[oldtimes]

For 2.10, a renter is not inventory or equipment and renting is not likely to be considered a customer/client visit to the business in the sense that it is used in this section. I posted something similar in #15.

2.24 is much longer than those two sentences. Other sentences in that section mention "occupied," "permanent resident," and "80% of the Homesites." If you can make the argument that this section applies to visitors or that AB&Bs are only rented by those under 55 or that there are more than 14,000 AB&Bs (20% of 70,000 homes) rented by someone under 55 at any one time then perhaps that would trigger a violation of this section.

Yes there is more and this is the rest

The Developer or its designee in its sole discretion
shall have the right to establish hardship exceptions to permit individuals between the ages of nineteen (I 9) and fifty-
five (55) to permanently reside in a Home even though there is not a permanent resident in the Home who is fifty-
five (55) years of age or over, providing that said exceptions shall not be permitted in situations where the granting
of a hardship exception would result in less than 80% of the Homesites in the Subdivision having less than one
resident fifty-five (55) years of age or older, it being the intent that at least 80% of the units shall at all times have
at least one resident fifty-five (55) years of age or older.

Where is the hardship in short term rentals?

[Bill14564]

See posts #5 and 13. That’s in CDD1, a district considered to have more relaxed deed restrictions.

Neither #5 nor #13 provided any deed restriction language. Post #10 did but I can't find that language in S1-2 or S1-17 and I'm not at all interested in reviewing all the restriction documents just to help you make your point.

[Bill14564]

Yes there is more and this is the rest

The Developer or its designee in its sole discretion
shall have the right to establish hardship exceptions to permit individuals between the ages of nineteen (I 9) and fifty-
five (55) to permanently reside in a Home even though there is not a permanent resident in the Home who is fifty-
five (55) years of age or over, providing that said exceptions shall not be permitted in situations where the granting
of a hardship exception would result in less than 80% of the Homesites in the Subdivision having less than one
resident fifty-five (55) years of age or older, it being the intent that at least 80% of the units shall at all times have
at least one resident fifty-five (55) years of age or older.

Where is the hardship in short term rentals?

The hardship provision pertains to permanent residence. Short term rental doesn't sound like permanent residence.

[Bill14564]

Chapter 680 Section 1031 - 2011 Florida Statutes - The Florida Senate (https://www.flsenate.gov/Laws/Statutes/2011/680.1031)


Florida law
(c) “Commercial unit” means such a unit of goods as by commercial usage is a single whole for purposes of lease and division of which materially impairs its character or value on the market or in use. A commercial unit may be a single article, as a machine, or a set of articles, as a suite of furniture or a line of machinery, or a quantity, as a gross or carload, or any other unit treated in use or in the relevant market as a single whole.
(d) “Conforming” goods or performance under a lease contract means goods or performance that are in accordance with the obligations under the lease contract.

It covers leases as a commercial sale.

There are 350 V R B O s and Air Bnbs in The Villages…the landlords are vastly outnumbered 100 to 1. The laws should be enforced.

You should look at 509.032 as well as it is more closely associated with the topic.

[tophcfa]

Neither #5 nor #13 provided any deed restriction language. Post #10 did but I can't find that language in S1-2 or S1-17 and I'm not at all interested in reviewing all the restriction documents just to help you make your point.

I don’t need to make my point, as explained in post #13, the point was made for me during my conversation with a representative of the developer.

[Bill14564]

I don’t need to make my point, as explained in post #13, the point was made for me during my conversation with a representative of the developer.

Uh huh. The anonymous representative who answered the phone agreed with the unhappy resident and that makes it a binding legal decision.

How many other threads have there been that started with, "I heard from a representative of the developer that....."

[oldtimes]

Uh huh. The anonymous representative who answered the phone agreed with the unhappy resident and that makes it a binding legal decision.

How many other threads have there been that started with, "I heard from a representative of the developer that....."

As one of our venerable posters uses on his tag line:

"When you are a hammer everything is a nail"

[GizmoWhiskers]

Just curious, what makes it an AIRbnb? We rented a courtyard villa for a one week stay on our first visit to The Villages in 2018 or 2019, not sure if that qualifies as an AIRbnb because of the length of stay?
An ABnB can be used in conversation like a generic term meaning short term rental or an actual listed property on the ABnB website would be the real definition in context.

Basically either are short term rentals, one night or a week etc. The state of FL classifies residential homes as such based on status of being a rental for less than 6 months. The state REQUIRES registration with the FL DBPR if a home is being used as a short term rental unless the owner is occupying the house at the same time as ie renting out a room.

The question is why does T V allow a business to be run out of the home as an abnb when covenants state you cannot run businesses out of the home??

[Normal]

You CANNOT run a business out of a home. Homes can’t be used in themselves to generate an income. That said, if it is only done once or on an occasion where no one says anything, people may choose to let it slide.

The key of the law is the word “transaction”. “Intent”can be debated with legitimate premise, but a transaction is a transaction whether monetary or services rendered as stated by law. Business was conducted if a “transaction” took place.

[retiredguy123]

You CANNOT run a business out of a home. Homes can’t be used in themselves to generate an income. That said, if it is only done once or on an occasion where no one says anything, people may choose to let it slide.

The key of the law is the word “transaction”. “Intent”can be debated with legitimate premise, but a transaction is a transaction whether monetary or services rendered as stated by law. Business was conducted if a “transaction” took place.
The IRS differentiates business income (reportable on Schedule C) from rental real estate income (reportable on Schedule E). I think that someone using a Villages house for AirBnB income would argue that they have rental real estate and not a business. Although, I don't know if they would win the argument.

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The IRS differentiates business income (reportable on Schedule C) from rental real estate income (reportable on Schedule E). I think that someone using a Villages house for AirBnB income would argue that they have rental real estate and not a business. Although, I don't know if they would win the argument.

The IRS doesn’t define what a business is for the sake of law, but rather for taxable income rules.

Obviously, a “business” can operate at a loss or a profit. The real question is the deed. Was there a “transaction” for monetary or services rendered?

Law enforcement is objective and non partial to subjectiveness. Law can change, but enforcement shouldn’t.

[Laker14]

The IRS doesn’t define what a business is for the sake of law, but rather for taxable income rules.

Obviously, a “business” can operate at a loss or a profit. The real question is the deed. Was there a “transaction” for monetary or services rendered?

Law enforcement is objective and non partial to subjectiveness. Law can change, but enforcement shouldn’t.

In reality, law enforcement exercises a significant degree of subjectiveness in application, and sometimes that's good. Sometimes it's probably not so good.

[Bill14564]

You CANNOT run a business out of a home. Homes can’t be used in themselves to generate an income. That said, if it is only done once or on an occasion where no one says anything, people may choose to let it slide.

The key of the law is the word “transaction”. “Intent”can be debated with legitimate premise, but a transaction is a transaction whether monetary or services rendered as stated by law. Business was conducted if a “transaction” took place.

Please post the language, from Florida Statute, Sumter County Statute(?), or legal Deed Restriction that supports that claim. Not what you think it says, not what you want it to say, but what the actual text is.

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Please post the language, from Florida Statute, Sumter County Statute(?), or legal Deed Restriction that supports … is.

District 13 is the implication?
First
“All Homesites included in the Subdivision shall be used for residential purposes only and
shall be subject to the following specific residential use restrictions in addition to the general restrictions contained in
this Declaration ofCovenants, Conditions and Restrictions.”

Note the word “All”

Secondly

2.10. Properties within the Subdivision are intended for residential use and no commercial, professional or similar activity requiring maintaining an inventory, equipment, or customer/client visits may be conducted in a Home or on a Homesite.

This may just be District 13? I’m not sure. That’s the district mentioned for Richmond. Obviously short term rental activity would violate the customers to and fro velocity in question. Maintaining the establishment with frequent cleaner visits etc to maintain a business standard would violate the statute as well. A commercial transaction would be validated if the actual transfer of funds took place.

[Bill14564]

District 13 is the implication?
First
“All Homesites included in the Subdivision shall be used for residential purposes only and
shall be subject to the following specific residential use restrictions in addition to the general restrictions contained in
this Declaration ofCovenants, Conditions and Restrictions.”

Note the word “All”

Secondly

2.10. Properties within the Subdivision are intended for residential use and no commercial, professional or similar activity requiring maintaining an inventory, equipment, or customer/client visits may be conducted in a Home or on a Homesite.

This may just be District 13? I’m not sure. That’s the district mentioned for Richmond.

Great. I believe you will discover that a tenant or a renter is not considered to be a customer/client and sleeping at the home is not considered to be a customer/client visit.

The deed restrictions.in other areas specifically prohibit renting the home - this one doesn't.

But I am not a lawyer. Talk to one and see what they have to say then take the neighbor to court.

[retiredguy123]

District 13 is the implication?
First
“All Homesites included in the Subdivision shall be used for residential purposes only and
shall be subject to the following specific residential use restrictions in addition to the general restrictions contained in
this Declaration ofCovenants, Conditions and Restrictions.”

Note the word “All”

Secondly

2.10. Properties within the Subdivision are intended for residential use and no commercial, professional or similar activity requiring maintaining an inventory, equipment, or customer/client visits may be conducted in a Home or on a Homesite.

This may just be District 13? I’m not sure. That’s the district mentioned for Richmond. Obviously short term rental activity would violate the customers to and fro velocity in question. Maintaining the establishment with frequent cleaner visits etc to maintain a business standard would violate the statute as well. A commercial transaction would be validated if the actual transfer of funds took place.
The problem is that it is common practice for people to rent out their houses for short periods of time. Even The Villages does it. Other communities have controlled the problem by requiring that short term rentals must be for at least 30 days, 60 days, or 6 months, etc. But The Villages does not have a minimum time limit for short term rentals. I think that would solve the Airbnb issue.

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The problem is that it is common practice for people to rent out their houses for short periods of time. Even The Villages does it. Other communities have controlled the problem by requiring that short term rentals must be for at least 30 days, 60 days, or 6 months, etc. But The Villages does not have a minimum time limit for short term rentals. I think that would solve the Airbnb issue.

I’m sure the lots they rent out have different languages and are not overly used. There is also differing language used with a time window for their model homes. I’d place a bet that a time slot was written in by their legal department for their accommodation and convenience. The statement I posted is from Gloria R. Hayward the Sumter County Court Clerk’s office, filed as 2060055291.

They are the originating business licensed to sell homes. It would only make sense.

[retiredguy123]

I’m sure the lots they rent out have different languages and are not overly used. There is also differing language used with a time window for their model homes. I’d place a bet that a time slot was written in by their legal department for their accommodation and convenience. The statement I posted is from Gloria R. Hayward the Sumter County Court Clerk’s office, filed as 2060055291.

They are the originating business licensed to sell homes. It would only make sense.
I was thinking about The Villages Hometown Property Management Company that manages short term rentals of private houses for homeowners. However, I have confirmed that the company is a private company and not owned by The Villages. But, apparently, The Villages allows them to use The Villages name and logo.

[Pairadocs]

Yep - you are spot on - on the block I live on, I am the only owner-resident - very difficult to make friends with neighbors, with the majority of residents shoe-term renters or bnb folks on vacation. Luckily today I met a owner-resident on the street over, and she has taken the “Bull by the horns” and has started a club for the folks in our villas the own their homes (monthly socials).

I’ve been here four months now - absolutely love it - I am in so many clubs/activities right now and meeting great people - just not many of my neighbors in Richmond, which is kind of discouraging, but I’m making it work! Glad to be here, and I wake up very happy each morning, looking forward to the adventures of the day.

Michael, that's about all you can do, unless you just move. And inside or outside the Villages, you can have the same thing happen. We are very sad about our situation. Everyone in our area near Lake S. bought lots and used the customize feature they offered back then. Some even had them take 2 different models, and create their own unique plan. The homes and lots were all in the higher price range at that time. It's now amazing that only 3 homes on our block are full time residents. Three others are AB&B type week, weekend type rentals. Never expected these larger models to become rental properties ! One reason for this is a couple deaths (and one more just a couple weeks ago) where the homes were inherited, not sold, and the relatives that inherited the properties prefers using them as income rather than selling. We have 3 part time residents, one who rents their out when not here, an two who do not want others in their homes so do not rent. One of the rentals also seems to be running a separate "business" out of the (large) garage of the home. They (the new owners ? renters ") have so much furniture even AFTER they got moved in and all moving boxes unpacked, the garage door when up, reveals it is literally packed to the ceiling. The came with one golf cart, it is always parked on the garage, never put away even in a storm.. no room in garage. They kept getting additional carts (?), never appear to leave with clubs to play golf, and have never seemed to have any interest in playing with any of us left in our neighborhood group. Some others have attempted to chat with the newest weekenders in another house on other side of them, only to meet with a very cold shoulder, no smile, and "excuse me, but we're on our way to an appointment" ! It's just the way things are, it's all perfectly legal. and if any violation does occur, it would take more time and money to "fight" against it that most don't want undertake. These types of deed restricted communities really have no legal "teeth", and no enforcement "security" with legal police powers. We are not the only community suffering from these new investment trends. Just have to enjoy live and look at the half glass of lemonade we do have ! (or, wine, if that is your thing, LOL !) Our neighborhood informal "parties" (actually just drive way gatherings on Th nights for anyone not doing something else), once one of the most compelling things to make every person so welcome, and part of the neighborhood, are now 3 people who bring their own mug of coffee. We not longer have our block golf group of couples, and our "gals group" is also "kaput" ! Just have to make the best of it we've decided.

[Pairadocs]

Just like illegally crossing the boarder to get into the USA is not really illegal if those who are charged with enforcement choose to do nothing about it?

Exactly, just an example on a much larger scale. Like the person who first said: "a restraining order is just a piece of paper" ! Many places, governments, industries, and just neighborhoods, have a tendency to FIRST make rules, restriction, mandates, and so on, without thought to enforcement. Our relatives in Tennessee are complaining about the same thing, "upscale" retirement community, centered around golf, and they were intentionally seeking a deed restricted community for retirement. The latest incident there, which has turned into AB&B land, was a weekend party thrown by the "couple" who rented the home on the lake through AB&B, and ended with a shooting to which police responded. Fortunately, no one killed or seriously injured, just a so called "flesh wound" but... ? This whole new investment opportunity just grew faster than any controls can be put into place.

[Pairadocs]

Just petition the local government (I think yours is Sumter Co or Wildwood) to write an ordinance against short term rentals. It has worked well in NY and NJ. The vast majority of voters are against them! After all, how many want to lose property value?

Here is an article for you to read.

How Airbnb’s Fight to Overturn a New Jersey Law Imploded | WIRED (https://www.wired.com/story/how-airbnbs-fight-overturn-new-jersey-law-imploded/)

Yes, you're right, there are grass roots objections beginning to happen, have read some examples right here in Florida. I "could" turn around here as more and more neighborhoods are affected. Interesting that here in the villages, it's not confined to one area, such as the oldest neighborhood, but pretty much evenly spread with some concentrations in the newest areas.

[KeithRiz]

Maybe residents can combine their resources and bring up a civil suit against the owners that rent out these short term rentals indiscriminately. The damages claimed could be the value of the homes going down as a result of the STRs. Hold the owners that rent their houses out short term accountable for their actions.

[Papa_lecki]

Maybe residents can combine their resources and bring up a civil suit against the owners that rent out these short term rentals indiscriminately. The damages claimed could be the value of the homes going down as a result of the STRs. Hold the owners that rent their houses out short term accountable for their actions.

Are the values of the homes actually going down? I think the owners of the STR can make a case for the opposite, they create demand, which increases price

[retiredguy123]

Are the values of the homes actually going down? I think the owners of the STR can make a case for the opposite, they create demand, which increases price
I think that the value trend is irrelevant. Whether the values are going up or down, as long as the owners are not violating any rules, the lawsuit would have no merit.

[jimkerr]

I did a search on Airbnb for homes that would allow an adult, 2 kids (2-12) and an infant. I got 797 homes that were available in The Villages! I had no idea there were that many.

[oldtimes]

I did a search on Airbnb for homes that would allow an adult, 2 kids (2-12) and an infant. I got 797 homes that were available in The Villages! I had no idea there were that many.

There's actually way more than that if you consider the VRBOs and other sites. Not much of an over 55 community anymore. If you don't have one in your neighborhood yet you will soon as the trend spreads.

[Bill14564]

There's actually way more than that if you consider the VRBOs and other sites. Not much of an over 55 community anymore. If you don't have one in your neighborhood yet you will soon as the trend spreads.

Read what it means to be a 55 community. (What it does NOT mean is 100% over 55 and zero rentals)

Don't make the assumption that all renters, even if they have children, are under 55.

Way more than 797? What is "way more?" Where did you get that information?

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I think that the value trend is irrelevant. Whether the values are going up or down, as long as the owners are not violating any rules, the lawsuit would have no merit.

It depends? In district 13 the rentals do violate restrictions. I would definitely be interested in starting an enforcement campaign and defining short term rentals. As homeowners we definitely outnumber landlord short term rental folks. Let’s get this done.

A rental requires a business monetary transaction, and maintenance requests do increase. There is a violation of the Sumter County Clerk’s declaration.

[oldtimes]

Read what it means to be a 55 community. (What it does NOT mean is 100% over 55 and zero rentals)

Don't make the assumption that all renters, even if they have children, are under 55.

Way more than 797? What is "way more?" Where did you get that information?

It doesn't matter if it is 1000 or 10000 until it affects you personally you are not going to see it as an issue.

Federal Register 24 CFR Part 100; section 760.24-760.37 (4a), Florida Statutes says: "The facility or community publishes and adheres to policies and procedures that demonstrate its intent to in fact be a provider of housing for older persons."

The restrictions state: The Declarant or its designee in its Sole discretion shall have the right to establish hardship exceptions to permit individuals between the ages of nineteen (19) and fifty-five {55) to permanently reside in a home even though there is not a permanent resident in the home who is fifty-five (55) years of age or over, providing that said providing that said exceptions shall not be permitted in situations where the granting of a hardship exception would result in less than 80% of the Homesites in the Subdivision having less than one resident fifty-five (55) years of age or older

You can argue this falls within the letter of the law but it clearly violates the spirit of the law.

I am done arguing this because it is futile to do so. Clearly you think it's fine and I don't.

[Babubhat]

2023/05/01/estranged-lady-friend-escapes-attack-at-rental-home-in-the-villages

Why people don’t want them. From that other news site

[Djean1981]

How are they not running a business out of their home?? If a hotel business is fine, all businesses are.

[MrChip72]

The state considers anyone who rents for less than 6 months to be a transient rental accommodations provider and legally required to register with the Florida Department of Revenue for a sales tax certificate. To me needing to pay Sales and Use tax sounds like a business.

Secondly our deed restrictions state:
Section 1. The Subdivision is an adult community designed to provide housing for persons 55 years of age or older. All homes that are occupied must be occupied by at least one person who is at least fifty-five (55) years of age. Note it says occupied and not owned.

That sounds like 2 violations to me.

Considering The Villages has a whole separate department that will manage your rental property for you, I don't think there's an issue here.

[MrChip72]

It depends? In district 13 the rentals do violate restrictions. I would definitely be interested in starting an enforcement campaign and defining short term rentals. As homeowners we definitely outnumber landlord short term rental folks. Let’s get this done.

A rental requires a business monetary transaction, and maintenance requests do increase. There is a violation of the Sumter County Clerk’s declaration.

Can you post a link to where this is stated for district 13? Even The Villages currently rents out homes in district 13 for lifestyle visits.

[retiredguy123]

Considering The Villages has a whole separate department that will manage your rental property for you, I don't think there's an issue here.
If you are referring to The Villages Hometown Property Management company, that is actually a private company that is not owned by The Villages. I don't know if The Villages has a separate department that manages privately owned houses.

[Boomer]

I am sadly sorry to say this, but I think Airbnb in TV is “too big to fail.” It’s too late to get out in front of Airbnb with rules now. A lawsuit by TV resident homeowners would fail.

Ten or fifteen years ago when boomers were beginning to buy to be residents, nobody could have seen something the size of Airbnb coming. Now, buyers who want the feel of a neighborhood would be wise to be aware and then decide how that makes them feel. Airbnb hanging out there is just another factor to weigh in the decision to buy or not.

Will the far south end of TV start to attract families who are destination Disney? Or has that already started?

Boomer

[asianthree]

Will the far south end of TV start to attract families who are destination Disney? Or has that already started?

Boomer

We travel to Disney every 2-3 weeks, coming from the “south” why anyone would want to vaca here, and commute paying tolls, spend 65 minutes to 1.75 hours (accidents) driving to Disney would be wasted time.

There are hundreds of AnB within minutes of Disney and Universal sleeping 2 to 20 people, themed, starting at $79 night. Even my own family stays on property instead of free housing when park hopping.

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2.10. Properties within the Subdivision are intended for residential use and no commercial, professional or similar activity requiring maintaining an inventory, equipment, or customer/client visits may be conducted in a Home or on a Homesite.

[Aces4]

We travel to Disney every 2-3 weeks, coming from the “south” why anyone would want to vaca here, and commute paying tolls, spend 65 minutes to 1.75 hours (accidents) driving to Disney would be wasted time.

There are hundreds of AnB within minutes of Disney and Universal sleeping 2 to 20 people, themed, starting at $79 night. Even my own family stays on property instead of free housing when park hopping.

At $79. a night, bleh. I think Boomer hit the nail on the head. Short trip to Disney and a good time to be had with the amenities here when not at Disney. The prices are right and security pretty good. Why not? The BnB ship has sailed in The Villages and there is no turning back.

[asianthree]

At $79. a night, bleh. I think Boomer hit the nail on the head. Short trip to Disney and a good time to be had with the amenities here when not at Disney. The prices are right and security pretty good. Why not? The BnB ship has sailed in The Villages and there is no turning back.

Renting in TV has always been big, abnb is just a newer avenue, of site exposures. Still guessing TV isn’t the top rated area for families going to parks, unless they have family here. But that’s just my opinion, and the last 3 summers seem to have less and less kids in TV, at the pools and kids camp.

Stayed at 2 bed condo, from a Disney influencer, 11 minutes to MK parking, $81 with tax, very clean, No parking fee, and a great pool, restaurants, safe area,( if that really exists anymore). Marriott points, is really cheap, and a great resort stay, not Abnb but far less than anything in TV

[tophcfa]

2.10. Properties within the Subdivision are intended for residential use and no commercial, professional or similar activity requiring maintaining an inventory, equipment, or customer/client visits may be conducted in a Home or on a Homesite.

Bingo, but it’s not enforced : (

[Bill14564]

Bingo, but it’s not enforced : (

Or, chairs and towels are not inventory, occupants are not customers, and there is no violation.

[MrChip72]

2.10. Properties within the Subdivision are intended for residential use and no commercial, professional or similar activity requiring maintaining an inventory, equipment, or customer/client visits may be conducted in a Home or on a Homesite.

If you read that with an unbiased view, it basically bans someone running a store or service company out of their house, which is totally reasonable to expect.

Definitely doesn't cover renting a home. If the CDD wanted that, they would just say no rentals allowed in plain language.

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If you read that with an unbiased view, it basically bans someone running a store or service company out of their house, which is totally reasonable to expect.

Definitely doesn't cover renting a home. If the CDD wanted that, they would just say no rentals allowed in plain language.

Or an unbiased view, business have people coming in day in and day out, like AirBnBs or something. Then you have maintenance workers cleaning up afterward and BAM here comes the next group.

Um ya, there is a reason to allow STRs, they operate just like businesses and any court or lawyer would call renters customers.

[Papa_lecki]

Or an unbiased view, business have people coming in day in and day out, like AirBnBs or something. Then you have maintenance workers cleaning up afterward and BAM here comes the next group.

Um ya, there is a reason not to allow STRs, they operate just like businesses and any court or lawyer would call renters customers.

If short term rentals are banned, does that mean long term rentals are too?
Isn’t the only difference the term - both are businesses?

[Papa_lecki]

Who’s reporting all the people who actually run a business out of their house?

The people who sell stuff at the market days (i.e. the golf cart screen guy) - actually keeps inventory at home
The handi man or landscaper….

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Who’s reporting all the people who actually run a business out of their house?

The people who sell stuff at the market days (i.e. the golf cart screen guy) - actually keeps inventory at home
The handi man or landscaper….

It’s all about enforcement. When one gets too out of hand, it gets brought to the attention of enforcement authorities. This happened in Clearwater and now they actually have companies or PIs who make money catching STR violations. It’s 250 a day per violation. The fine money pays for the PI and is a win-win.

[oldtimes]

Or, chairs and towels are not inventory, occupants are not customers, and there is no violation.

They are considered a business by the state
Airbnb & Short Term Rental Laws and Restrictions in Florida (https://www.lodgify.com/guides/short-term-rental-rules-florida/)

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They are considered a business by the state
Airbnb & Short Term Rental Laws and Restrictions in Florida (https://www.lodgify.com/guides/short-term-rental-rules-florida/)

By law they would have to be if they paid for the property use there was a monetary transaction. Law can differentiate for long term with the verb ages “One Time” written in. This term could be fulfilled if time exceeded a month.

[Bill14564]

They are considered a business by the state
Airbnb & Short Term Rental Laws and Restrictions in Florida (https://www.lodgify.com/guides/short-term-rental-rules-florida/)

By law they would have to be if they paid for the property use there was a monetary transaction. Law can differentiate for long term with the verb ages “One Time” written in. This term could be fulfilled if time exceeded a month.

But business aren't banned in the Villages. What are banned are businesses that keep inventory at the home or have customer/clients visiting the home.

Beds and towels are not inventory and occupants are not visiting customers.

But hey, I'm not a lawyer. Go talk to a lawyer and if he/she agrees with you then take the homeowner to court. Don't stop at section 2.10 of your deed restrictions, keep reading down to section 5. Don't look to others to fight your battles for you, do your duty that you agreed to when you signed the deed restrictions.

[golfing eagles]

"U.S Cities That Have Limited Airbnb Operations

New York City is the largest tourist destination in the U.S. and the leading market share for Airbnb. The city has raised concerns that two-thirds of the rental listings on Airbnb are illegal. To curb this trend, NYC introduced laws that necessitated Airbnb and other home-sharing companies to provide details of all rental units in their database. However, Airbnb challenged this policy in court, citing violation of privacy.

San Francisco, which hosts Airbnb, has also implemented even more stringent laws than those in NYC. Only full-time residents can list their units with Airbnb. This policy has helped them see a significant decline in Airbnb rentals.

Moreover, the hosts must register their units with the city officials to facilitate licensing. Those found in violation of these policies have to pay huge fines depending on the number of days rented.

Santa Monica in Southern California has instigated even stricter measures than those in San Francisco. The rules have seen the delisting of 80% of vacation rental units on the Airbnb website.

The laws obligate the host to be living in the residence during the vacation renting. The host must also register with the city officials and remit 14% occupancy tax. These measures have been in effect since 2015 and have adversely affected Airbnb operations in Santa Monica.

Should a City Ban Airbnb?

Local governments have an obligation to safeguard and protect the interests of the public. Through regulations, they can decide whether or not to ban the operations of any company. However, companies also have rights that local governments ought to uphold.

Before banning a company, the adverse effects need to surpass the greater good. Local governments should weigh the benefits a company has against its harmful effects. They also need to look further and see if these adverse effects can be mitigated."

So, the answer is that it(banning STRs) can, and has been done.

[tophcfa]

If short term rentals are banned, does that mean long term rentals are too?
Isn’t the only difference the term - both are businesses?

Rentals aren’t against deed restrictions regardless of the length, what is against deed restrictions are rentals of space in one’s home while the homeowner is simultaneously living in the home. This violates two restrictions, the home is not being used as a single family residential unit and a business is being run from the home.

Unfortunately, these deed restrictions are worthless without enforcement and the developer has made a conscious decision not to enforce them. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out why, the developers primary objective is to sell new homes at full value and limiting rentals would reduce demand from a segment of potential home buyers. If home sales significantly slowed down because home buyers were expressing concerns about AIRBnB’s, enforcement would rapidly become a top priority. $$$$ talks.

[Bill14564]

Rentals aren’t against deed restrictions regardless of the length, what is against deed restrictions are rentals of space in one’s home while the homeowner is simultaneously living in the home. This violates two restrictions, the home is not being used as a single family residential unit and a business is being run from the home.

Unfortunately, these deed restrictions are worthless without enforcement and the developer has made a conscious decision not to enforce them. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out why, the developers primary objective is to sell new homes at full value and limiting rentals would reduce demand from a segment of potential home buyers. If home sales significantly slowed down because home buyers were expressing concerns about AIRBnB’s, enforcement would rapidly become a top priority. $$$$ talks.



If two families cannot occupy the same home at the same time then any of us with non-family visitors must be in violation also. Do you really think having my friends from MD come stay with me is a violation?

As far as complaining that the Developer is not enforcing what you believe to be a violation....

But business aren't banned in the Villages. What are banned are businesses that keep inventory at the home or have customer/clients visiting the home.

Beds and towels are not inventory and occupants are not visiting customers.

But hey, I'm not a lawyer. Go talk to a lawyer and if he/she agrees with you then take the homeowner to court. Don't stop at section 2.10 of your deed restrictions, keep reading down to section 5. Don't look to others to fight your battles for you, do your duty that you agreed to when you signed the deed restrictions.

[tophcfa]

If two families cannot occupy the same home at the same time then any of us with non-family visitors must be in violation also. Do you really think having my friends from MD come stay with me is a violation?

As far as complaining that the Developer is not enforcing what you believe to be a violation....

I’m not wasting my time going over this yet again with you.

[golfing eagles]

I’m not wasting my time going over this yet again with you.

At this point I think it's pretty clear who is renting out their home and who lives next to a rental.......

[Papa_lecki]

"U.S Cities That Have Limited Airbnb Operations

New York City is the largest tourist destination in the U.S. and the leading market share for Airbnb. The city has raised concerns that two-thirds of the rental listings on Airbnb are illegal. To curb this trend, NYC introduced laws that necessitated Airbnb and other home-sharing companies to provide details of all rental units in their database. However, Airbnb challenged this policy in court, citing violation of privacy.

San Francisco, which hosts Airbnb, has also implemented even more stringent laws than those in NYC. Only full-time residents can list their units with Airbnb. This policy has helped them see a significant decline in Airbnb rentals.

Moreover, the hosts must register their units with the city officials to facilitate licensing. Those found in violation of these policies have to pay huge fines depending on the number of days rented.

Santa Monica in Southern California has instigated even stricter measures than those in San Francisco. The rules have seen the delisting of 80% of vacation rental units on the Airbnb website.

The laws obligate the host to be living in the residence during the vacation renting. The host must also register with the city officials and remit 14% occupancy tax. These measures have been in effect since 2015 and have adversely affected Airbnb operations in Santa Monica.

Should a City Ban Airbnb?

Local governments have an obligation to safeguard and protect the interests of the public. Through regulations, they can decide whether or not to ban the operations of any company. However, companies also have rights that local governments ought to uphold.

Before banning a company, the adverse effects need to surpass the greater good. Local governments should weigh the benefits a company has against its harmful effects. They also need to look further and see if these adverse effects can be mitigated."

So, the answer is that it(banning STRs) can, and has been done.

Coronado, CA banned all short term rentals.

[Bill14564]

At this point I think it's pretty clear who is renting out their home and who lives next to a rental.......

If you are referring to me as the person renting out my home, then you need much more emphasis on the "pretty" part of that... I never have and I don't expect I ever will.

I am not a proponent of rentals but neither am I against them.

I am just frustrated at the selective reading and misreading of the deed restrictions by some posters followed by their whining that daddy Developer isn't doing his duty and fighting their battles for them.

"It's the law!" Well no, it really isn't.
"The Developer is neglecting his duty!" Well no, it isn't his duty. However, it *is* every homeowner's duty so go talk to a lawyer and proceed.

[Aces4]

Renting in TV has always been big, abnb is just a newer avenue, of site exposures. Still guessing TV isn’t the top rated area for families going to parks, unless they have family here. But that’s just my opinion, and the last 3 summers seem to have less and less kids in TV, at the pools and kids camp.

Stayed at 2 bed condo, from a Disney influencer, 11 minutes to MK parking, $81 with tax, very clean, No parking fee, and a great pool, restaurants, safe area,( if that really exists anymore). Marriott points, is really cheap, and a great resort stay, not Abnb but far less than anything in TV

And do you get a golf cart with that so you can ride the kiddies around and entertain them when not at Disney? Personally, I’d drive the 45 minutes from the south end of The Villages and stay here rather than super congested Orlando. We don’t do Disney but I’m thinking many plan this way, particularly if grandparents live in The Villages.

The last three summers of lower numbers of children are due to covid and inflation. There are upsides to some because of these issues.

[JMintzer]

Who’s reporting all the people who actually run a business out of their house?

The people who sell stuff at the market days (i.e. the golf cart screen guy) - actually keeps inventory at home
The handi man or landscaper….

But does the screen guy actually sell them from his house, with people coming and going all day long? My guess is no...

What about the CPA, working from his/her home office? That's allowed, right?

[JMintzer]

If two families cannot occupy the same home at the same time then any of us with non-family visitors must be in violation also. Do you really think having my friends from MD come stay with me is a violation?

As far as complaining that the Developer is not enforcing what you believe to be a violation....

Don't be absurd. Having houseguests for a week or two is not a violation...

[golfing eagles]

If two families cannot occupy the same home at the same time then any of us with non-family visitors must be in violation also. Do you really think having my friends from MD come stay with me is a violation?

As far as complaining that the Developer is not enforcing what you believe to be a violation....

It might be if you CHARGE THEM RENT for their stay.

[Bill14564]

It might be if you CHARGE THEM RENT for their stay.

I'll take a "might be." My objection is to "absolutely is."

[golfing eagles]

If you are referring to me as the person renting out my home, then you need much more emphasis on the "pretty" part of that... I never have and I don't expect I ever will.

I am not a proponent of rentals but neither am I against them.

I am just frustrated at the selective reading and misreading of the deed restrictions by some posters followed by their whining that daddy Developer isn't doing his duty and fighting their battles for them.

"It's the law!" Well no, it really isn't.
"The Developer is neglecting his duty!" Well no, it isn't his duty. However, it *is* every homeowner's duty so go talk to a lawyer and proceed.

Fair enough. Would it also be fair to say that you do not live next to a revolving door motel to drunken 20 somethings that party all night?

[golfing eagles]

I'll take a "might be." My objection is to "absolutely is."

I wouldn't say that---I doubt anyone on this site knows absolutely for sure.

[Bill14564]

Fair enough. Would it also be fair to say that you do not live next to a revolving door motel to drunken 20 somethings that party all night?

That is fair to say. There are rentals on my street but I don't know how long they are rented for; there is certainly not a daily or even weekly turnover.

I am not insensitive to the problem and I'm glad I don't have the problem within earshot. But even if I did, I would still feel the language in my deed restrictions does not prohibit the rentals. There may be other nuisance ordinances on the books or perhaps some could be added. Let's investigate that rather than spending so much time complaining the Developer isn't enforcing the deed restrictions. The rentals might not be a violation and the Developer is clearly not obligated to enforce the restrictions anyway.

[Whitley]

Don't be absurd. Having houseguests for a week or two is not a violation...


Now hold on a second. Before you say that, I believe he said the visitors would be from Maryland. Now what say you.

[Whitley]

It might be if you CHARGE THEM RENT for their stay.

Would the rent have to be cash?

[Normal]

Great News

1 May 2023
ABNB renter was apprehended after kidnapping a full time villager. Thank you Wildwood police and Community Watch for all you do.

“An estranged lady friend escaped a life-threatening attack at a rental home in The Villages.

The woman got in her car and fled to Brownwood Paddock Square at about 11 p.m. Saturday where she found someone and pleaded with them to call 911, according to an arrest report from the Wildwood Police Department. She “was visibly upset, shaking and crying.”

The woman said she had been staying with 64-year-old Wesley Ellington at a home at 3938 Manchester Ave. in the Village of Richmond. She said Ellington, with whom she had been in a romantic relationship for a little more than a year…..”

https://www.**************.com/2023/05/01/estranged-lady-friend-escapes-attack-at-rental-home-in-the-villages/

[Michael 61]

Great News

1 May 2023
ABNB renter was apprehended after kidnapping a full time villager. Thank you Wildwood police and Community Watch for all you do.

“An estranged lady friend escaped a life-threatening attack at a rental home in The Villages.

The woman got in her car and fled to Brownwood Paddock Square at about 11 p.m. Saturday where she found someone and pleaded with them to call 911, according to an arrest report from the Wildwood Police Department. She “was visibly upset, shaking and crying.”

The woman said she had been staying with 64-year-old Wesley Ellington at a home at 3938 Manchester Ave. in the Village of Richmond. She said Ellington, with whom she had been in a romantic relationship for a little more than a year…..”

https://www.**************.com/2023/05/01/estranged-lady-friend-escapes-attack-at-rental-home-in-the-villages/

I live very near this house - tell me how you’d feel living near this type of activity?

[Michael 61]

The Villages News article says the owner of this home is an “investment company”.

[Normal]

I live very near this house - tell me how you’d feel living near this type of activity?

I wouldn’t like it at all! I think this has gotten out of hand. I would be willing to sign any petition, go to any District meeting, call any county supervisor or representative and donate to any cause to stop this out of hand air BnB garbage. People bought down here to retire and live out their retirement dreams. Money grubbers shouldn’t be permitted to keep grasping at dollars at our expense. Existing rules and regulations should be enforced. Local papers need to get on this problem. Enough is enough. Other communities have gotten together and eliminated this problem.

Nearby Clearwater beach solved the problem by passing an ordinance against any rental less than 31 days.

[Boomer]

Airbnb CEO Brian Chesky will be interviewed on CNBC Squawk Box this morning. I think in the next few minutes. I had the station on in the background and just now caught the announcement.

Boomer

[Caymus]

Airbnb CEO Brian Chesky will be interviewed on CNBC Squawk Box this morning. I think in the next few minutes. I had the station on in the background and just now caught the announcement.

Boomer

He is pushing renting by the room.

[Boomer]

Airbnb CEO Brian Chesky will be interviewed on CNBC Squawk Box this morning. I think in the next few minutes. I had the station on in the background and just now caught the announcement.

Boomer



For those of you who might be interested in seeing this guy, you probably missed it because as soon as I hit submit on my above post, he appeared on the television.

wow That guy sure seems hyper. His company is doing just fine.

He seemed really excited about the increasing market for people to rent out just a room while the owner continues to live in the house. He also said something to the effect that the high cost of buying a home now will increase the potential for one-room rentals, as people try to meet the increasing expenses of home ownership.

He spoke briefly about security measures and how he thinks AI is going to help Airbnb.

It was a very short interview, maybe 2 minutes. He talks fast so he got in a lot of points.

If you want to watch it, I assume it can be found later on the CNBC site.

Boomer

[retiredguy123]

For those of you who might be interested in seeing this guy, you probably missed it because as soon as I hit submit on my above post, he appeared on the television.

wow That guy sure seems hyper. His company is doing just fine.

He seemed really excited about the increasing market for people to rent out just a room while the owner continues to live in the house. He also said something to the effect that the high cost of buying a home now will increase the potential for one-room rentals, as people try to meet the increasing expenses of home ownership.

He spoke briefly about security measures and how he thinks AI is going to help Airbnb.

It was a very short interview, maybe 2 minutes. He talks fast so he got in a lot of points.

If you want to watch it, I assume it can be found later on the CNBC site.

Boomer
If you have Xfinity cable, you should be able to watch it tomorrow on Peacock.

[Caymus]

For those of you who might be interested in seeing this guy, you probably missed it because as soon as I hit submit on my above post, he appeared on the television.

wow That guy sure seems hyper. His company is doing just fine.

He seemed really excited about the increasing market for people to rent out just a room while the owner continues to live in the house. He also said something to the effect that the high cost of buying a home now will increase the potential for one-room rentals, as people try to meet the increasing expenses of home ownership.

He spoke briefly about security measures and how he thinks AI is going to help Airbnb.

It was a very short interview, maybe 2 minutes. He talks fast so he got in a lot of points.

If you want to watch it, I assume it can be found later on the CNBC site.

Boomer


He also said that Airbnb renters have no problem sharing a bathroom with a stranger.

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

Front page of Boston Globe is an article about short term rentals coming up for a vote for the third time in Nantucket home of some of the priciest properties in the country ,both sides have valid reasons , Boston did come up with some rules a couple of years ago that stopped people from abusing the rules ,and it put a lot of rule breaker properties back on the long term rental market , professional landlords had turned some of there properties basically into hotels , the market had turned these places into neighborhood killers , not everyone was happy with new rules but things did get better . I think this problem will be with us for a long time with legislation bringing mixed results)

[Michael 61]

I realize that Air BnB is unfortunately here to stay- problem is right now it appears not be regulated, or very loosely regulated here in The Villages. Having laws in place like Clearwater Beach, setting a minimum length of stay for every Air BnB would be a step in the right direction. Whether they could regulate having at least one tenant be of the age of 55 or older is something I would like to see, though I assume that is not possible under current deed restrictions.

[Boomer]

He is pushing renting by the room.

I see you caught that CNBC interview with Chesky this morning, too.

He sure was pushing those by-the-room rentals. He was so wound up and into that idea, he made me wonder what’s next? By the hour? :22yikes:

Boomer

[Caymus]

I see you caught that CNBC interview with Chesky this morning, too.

He sure was pushing those by-the-room rentals. He was so wound up and into that idea, he made me wonder what’s next? By the hour? :22yikes:

Boomer

The part I didn't understand was how they ensure that the room renter is not a safety risk.

[rustyp]

Great News

1 May 2023
ABNB renter was apprehended after kidnapping a full time villager. Thank you Wildwood police and Community Watch for all you do.

“An estranged lady friend escaped a life-threatening attack at a rental home in The Villages.

The woman got in her car and fled to Brownwood Paddock Square at about 11 p.m. Saturday where she found someone and pleaded with them to call 911, according to an arrest report from the Wildwood Police Department. She “was visibly upset, shaking and crying.”

The woman said she had been staying with 64-year-old Wesley Ellington at a home at 3938 Manchester Ave. in the Village of Richmond. She said Ellington, with whom she had been in a romantic relationship for a little more than a year…..”

https://www.**************.com/2023/05/01/estranged-lady-friend-escapes-attack-at-rental-home-in-the-villages/

No where in that article did it say the "rental" was an AirBNB. In fact it did not use the words short term rental either.

[oldtimes]

No where in that article did it say the "rental" was an AirBNB. In fact it did not use the words short term rental either.

The very first word is ABNB an abbreviation

[Normal]

No where in that article did it say the "rental" was an AirBNB. In fact it did not use the words short term rental either.


That’s true, the beater/kidnapper may have been a transient long term renter?

[rustyp]

That’s true, the beater/kidnapper may have been a transient long term renter?

The house per the article you cited was owned by an investment company, These companies tend to buy houses and rent them out to long term tenants. I don't know the answer as to what the tenant was. Your referenced article did not reveal that fact. Facts matter.

[rustyp]

The very first word is ABNB an abbreviation

Correct - the poster decided to ad lib that part. Refer to the article the poster referenced and there is no ABNB or AirBNB mentioned in the article.

[Michael 61]

That’s true, the beater/kidnapper may have been a transient long term renter?

I, and my neighbors, know the house very well and who this renter is - he has resided there two months - Home is owned by and investment company.

[Pairadocs]

I did, see post #5. For an AIRBnB deed restriction violation Community Standards will transfer you to a representative of the developer, who theoretically enforces internal deed restriction violations. They acknowledged that the two deed restriction violations stated in post #5 were in fact being violated. They noted my reporting the issue and proceeded to do absolutely nothing about it, claiming internal deed violations are very difficult to enforce! Why so difficult, all they had to do was go to the AIRBnB website and look at the listing for that address and they would have proof of said violations? They very obviously have made a conscious and calculated decision to look the other way regarding said deed restriction violations. This totally discredits the whole deed restriction system in the Villages, very sad : )

One group on a street in a village between 466 & 466A tried to get help with the very disruptive short term rental on their street; constant traffic, constant blocking drives of neighbors due to all the vehicles, usually at least 4 vehicles, and now 4 golf carts... trucks constantly bringing and taking golf carts, furniture, flat bed trucks constantly, garage so packed some golf carts and all vehicles left on drive and all night on street. Neighbor organizing objection found out anyone can park on streets, no restriction. Also found, the owner of this and other similar properties is a favored employee of.... THE VILLAGES. There is no solution. Just operates a very grey operation, no businesses run from home garage, and yet, residents can keep and sell furniture, golf carts, even kayaks, so can always claim, hey, I have a right to sell my things ! If you follow this type of thing, there ARE other Florida communities who have organized a significant backlash and have actually succeeded in abolishing or greatly restricting such rentals, making their communities much less attractive to flippers and investors.

[Normal]

I, and my neighbors, know the house very well and who this renter is - he has resided there two months - Home is owned by and investment company.

How can a company or LLC purchase a home/homes in the Villages? Wouldn’t that make The Villages negligible of contact? They would then be misrepresenting what they sold to others. The retirement community wouldn’t be so.

I then ask myself, how many homes can a “company” buy, 10, a hundred, a Village? The Villages easily cleared sales for Richmond because it was right next to a town square. There was no need to get rid of houses to an investment “company”. There would be serious legal questions to answer to. Disclosure documents would need to list the possibility of rental property nearby.

[JMintzer]

Now hold on a second. Before you say that, I believe he said the visitors would be from Maryland. Now what say you.

Well, in that case... :a20:

[Velvet]

He also said that Airbnb renters have no problem sharing a bathroom with a stranger.

Especially if they had been homeless previously….
I believe we should help the unfortunate but there are other ways.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

It depends. If the owners of the home are not living there and renting through the AIRBnB platform then there is no violation, even if they are renting by the night. On the other hand, if the owners are living in the home and simultaneously renting out space in their home then two deed restrictions are being violated. First, the home is not being used as a single family residential unit. Second, the owner is running a business out of their home.

There are two kinds of deed restrictions, external and internal. External deed restrictions, like putting a little white cross in one’s front garden, are strictly enforced by community standards once reported. Internal deed restrictions, like running a business out of one’s home, are enforced by the developer once reported. Unfortunately, the developer has chosen to be both very lax and selective about enforcing these restrictions. In my opinion, it should not be the developers job to enforce internal deed restrictions as they have an inherent conflict of interest. Limiting AIRBnB rentals would arguably reduce demand for new homes as certain potential buyers would not have that option of generating income while living in their home. As we are all well aware, selling homes is the developers top priority.

By selectively enforcing some deed restrictions, looking the other way on others, all while very strictly enforcing lesser deed restriction violations that are minimally disruptive to a neighborhood, the whole deed restriction thing has become a sham.

Are you saying that there is a deed restriction preventing owners from having a roommate?

[Carla B]

Luckily, there haven't been any AirBnB renters near us that I know of. I'm happy about that. However, I confess to having used AirBnB myself twice for overflow company, and once I used one of the hotels. Now that I've witnessed this place becoming more of a tourist destination and less of a community, I think I'll stick to hotels.

I never thought about looking at the deed restrictions in my area, because when we were thinking about buying in 2008, our sales agent with Properties of The Villages was very enthusiastic about putting us in a short-term rental for a few days. We did not come on a lifestyle visit. I figured if the developer condoned it and does it himself, then it must be "legal."

I would also favor limiting rental time. Where we lived prior to The Villages, rentals were limited to a minimum of three months. It worked well.

[jimkerr]

No where in that article did it say the "rental" was an AirBNB. In fact it did not use the words short term rental either.

Did you forget your glasses?

[Bill14564]

No where in that article did it say the "rental" was an AirBNB. In fact it did not use the words short term rental either.

Did you forget your glasses?

Did YOU read the article? I just read it again and no where in the article does it mention AirBnB, ABNB, Air Bed & Breakfast, or anything similar.

A previous poster believes the renter has been there for two months - not a short term rental (STR) either.

It is possible that a previous version of the article did mention ABNB. If that is the case then it is significant that the article was changed. Articles are not changed to remove accurate information so if ABNB disappeared then ABNB must have been inaccurate.

[Ele201]

For those of you who might be interested in seeing this guy, you probably missed it because as soon as I hit submit on my above post, he appeared on the television.

wow That guy sure seems hyper. His company is doing just fine.

He seemed really excited about the increasing market for people to rent out just a room while the owner continues to live in the house. He also said something to the effect that the high cost of buying a home now will increase the potential for one-room rentals, as people try to meet the increasing expenses of home ownership.

He spoke briefly about security measures and how he thinks AI is going to help Airbnb.

It was a very short interview, maybe 2 minutes. He talks fast so he got in a lot of points.

If you want to watch it, I assume it can be found later on the CNBC site.

Boomer
I think renting a room in an owner occupied home would be a bad idea, certainly for me. I use Airbnb for stays at an entire house — lots of room and privacy, that’s the point.

Airbnb’s CEO is stressing its new “rent a room” feature, and to me that means the CEO could be aiming to compete with hotels, where most of the time you’re renting a room. But you’re also staying with the home’s owner and family. Who wants a stranger living in their home, one who you or another family member may not get along with?

[golfing eagles]

I think renting a room in an owner occupied home would be a bad idea, certainly for me. I use Airbnb for stays at an entire house — lots of room and privacy, that’s the point.

Airbnb’s CEO is stressing its new “rent a room” feature, and to me that means the CEO could be aiming to compete with hotels, where most of the time you’re renting a room. But you’re also staying with the home’s owner and family. Who wants a stranger living in their home, one who you or another family member may not get along with?

That concept may just fit into "birds of a feather" :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[Boomer]

I see you caught that CNBC interview with Chesky this morning, too.

He sure was pushing those by-the-room rentals. He was so wound up and into that idea, he made me wonder what’s next? By the hour? :22yikes:

Boomer



The part I didn't understand was how they ensure that the room renter is not a safety risk.


Caymus, I don’t even understand vice versa.


Boomer