ROAD RAGE golf carts - need I.D.

[bikerhiker]

Riding my bike I saw a guy making tight circles on his golf cart in front of a postal kiosk. He stopped so I thought it was OK to pass. Without looking he started another loop and almost hit me.

I yelled “WATCH OUT.” Looking back I said “be more careful around people.” The guy replied FU, the long version. That's all I said, and I made no other reply.

I continued on my journey to have the guy follow me for about two miles (roughly 9 minutes). Intimidating me? In Florida, that’s “Road Rage.”

Finally he passed, yelling something out the side of his golf cart (incomprehensible over the roar of his englne), but then after his one-finger salute out the back, I knew it was not an apology. Then noticed he was wearing headphones (another FL illegal).

This kind of behavior is way too common in The Villages, but this was the worst yet. Impatient golfers driving like maniacs way over the 20mph speed limit going to and from courses. Wreckless drunks seeing how close they can come to cyclists and walkers after happy hour at the clubs and music venues. Funny? not
(another FL law: minimum 3-feet of clearance between vehicle and cyclists and pedestrials - in most states it is 5 feet)

I feel, in the least, there should be identification on golf carts. Being anonymous brings out the worst in people with issues.

[bikerhiker]

Riding my bike I saw a guy making tight circles on his golf cart in front of a postal kiosk. He stopped so I thought it was OK to pass. Without looking he started another loop and almost hit me.

I yelled “WATCH OUT.” Looking back I said “be more careful around people.” The guy replied FU, the long version. That's all I said, and I made no other reply.

I continued on my journey to have the guy follow me for about two miles (roughly 9 minutes). Intimidating me? In Florida, that’s “Road Rage.”

Finally he passed, yelling something out the side of his golf cart (incomprehensible over the roar of his englne), but then after his one-finger salute out the back, I knew it was not an apology. Then noticed he was wearing headphones (another FL illegal).

This kind of behavior is way too common in The Villages, but this was the worst yet. Impatient golfers driving like maniacs way over the 20mph speed limit going to and from courses. Wreckless drunks seeing how close they can come to cyclists and walkers after happy hour at the clubs and music venues. Funny? not
(another FL law: minimum 3-feet of clearance between vehicle and cyclists and pedestrials - most states are 5)

I think in the least there should be identification on golf carts. Being anonymous brings out the worst in people with issues.

[Velvet]

Be careful. I posted about a neighbor who had brain surgery a short time ago. It was thought he would never be able to walk or talk again. After rehab he came home and started to walk and even talk a bit. So he’s been home, say a month and today I watched him take the golf cart, ran over stuff as he backed out and when a walker pointed it out to him, he waved, gave a friendly smile and drove out to a busy-ish street! I said a prayer for him. He is out there, please watch yourself.

[Gpsma]

Soinds like some entitled snowbird family member.

They will be gone next week

[gatorbill1]

Lucky you didn't get shot

[BrianL99]

Soinds like some entitled snowbird family member.

They will be gone next week

What does "soinds" mean and why would you assume this has anything to do with a "snowbird" or relative?

Oh wait. You must be one of those folks who would be happy to pay double for your Amenity Fees and Taxes, as soon as you can figure out a way to displace all the part-time residents.

[billethkid]

The other 99% of us think it was terrible.... it was one of the few "ISOLATED" incidents here in TV!

__________________________________________________ __

:censored:

[Gpsma]

What does "soinds" mean and why would you assume this has anything to do with a "snowbird" or relative?

Oh wait. You must be one of those folks who would be happy to pay double for your Amenity Fees and Taxes, as soon as you can figure out a way to displace all the part-time residents.

So instead of replying u attack for some bad placement of a finger on a keybord.

Id be happy paying FIVE times the taxes and amenity fees to get rid of seasonal renters, airbnb renters, and snowbirds. They are not true villagers..just tourists using up our facilities.

Drove out today…golf carts filled with breeders grandkids..some even driving. Go to DisneyWorld already!!!

[JohnN]

Lucky you didn't get shot

that's my first thought, consider it a win nowadays

[Taltarzac725]

Illegitimi non carborundum - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegitimi_non_carborundum)

I have been saying this to myself since getting on message boards around 2002. Also applies to real life. I had some schmuck give me a finger when I was behind him at a Villages' gate yesterday. Maybe he is upset with NOTHING. And have had others give me a thumbed nose or chin flick the last few months. And much worse on other places online.

[JMintzer]

Riding my bike I saw a guy making tight circles on his golf cart in front of a postal kiosk. He stopped so I thought it was OK to pass. Without looking he started another loop and almost hit me.

I yelled “WATCH OUT.” Looking back I said “be more careful around people.” The guy replied FU, the long version. That's all I said, and I made no other reply.

I continued on my journey to have the guy follow me for about two miles (roughly 9 minutes). Intimidating me? In Florida, that’s “Road Rage.”

Finally he passed, yelling something out the side of his golf cart (incomprehensible over the roar of his englne), but then after his one-finger salute out the back, I knew it was not an apology. Then noticed he was wearing headphones (another FL illegal).

This kind of behavior is way too common in The Villages, but this was the worst yet. Impatient golfers driving like maniacs way over the 20mph speed limit going to and from courses. Wreckless drunks seeing how close they can come to cyclists and walkers after happy hour at the clubs and music venues. Funny? not
(another FL law: minimum 3-feet of clearance between vehicle and cyclists and pedestrials - in most states it is 5 feet)

I feel, in the least, there should be identification on golf carts. Being anonymous brings out the worst in people with issues.

Do you have identification on your bicycle? If not, why?

[Number 10 GI]

An ID on a golf cart would be useless. The police will not issue a traffic ticket as they didn't see the infraction. As it was explained to me, you would have to go to the district court and file a complaint. Then you would have to testify in court, but with no video or other witness testimony it would be a case of he said, you said. Highly doubtful that the court would take any action.

[JMintzer]

So instead of replying u attack for some bad placement of a finger on a keybord.

Id be happy paying FIVE times the taxes and amenity fees to get rid of seasonal renters, airbnb renters, and snowbirds. They are not true villagers..just tourists using up our facilities.

Drove out today…golf carts filled with breeders grandkids..some even driving. Go to DisneyWorld already!!!

What is the definition of a "True Villager"?

And you actually think anyone believes that you would be "happy paying" close to $1000/month in amenity fees and $25-30K/year in taxes? :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[tophcfa]

So instead of replying u attack for some bad placement of a finger on a keybord.

Id be happy paying FIVE times the taxes and amenity fees to get rid of seasonal renters, airbnb renters, and snowbirds. They are not true villagers..just tourists using up our facilities.

Drove out today…golf carts filled with breeders grandkids..some even driving. Go to DisneyWorld already!!!

So you are saying that my wife and I are not true Villagers even though we have owned a home there for 7 1/2 years, never once rented out our home, meticulously maintain our home, pay all relevant fees on a monthly basis, help out our neighbors frequently with several handyman tasks, etc…, simply because we are not there full time. We are not necessarily snowbirds since we come down to our Villages home throughout the year as our schedules allow, but the winter months are always our longest stay.

Can you provide us with your address so we can take a dump on your home as we fly over while migrating north.

[Bogie Shooter]

So instead of replying u attack for some bad placement of a finger on a keybord.

Id be happy paying FIVE times the taxes and amenity fees to get rid of seasonal renters, airbnb renters, and snowbirds. They are not true villagers..just tourists using up our facilities.

Drove out today…golf carts filled with breeders grandkids..some even driving. Go to DisneyWorld already!!!

So sad.
Go have a drink of scotch………….

[Pairadocs]

Soinds like some entitled snowbird family member.

They will be gone next week

I would like to point out, respectfully, that this is NOT limited to "snowbirds". Seems a lot here is attributed to "snowbirds", cigar butts thrown on greens and leaving marks...must be the snowbirds, almost run over, must be a snowbird, items missing from yards...snowbirds again. No, we are full time residents, so I am not trying to "defend" "snowbirds". If you really think things through, how would a person who owns a home in Florida (here, or somewhere else) and a home in some other state, differ in morality, civility, and/or just human kindness, from any other person ? But sure seems like anything that happens is traced to...... scapegoats, ooops, I mean SNOWbirds !

[Pairadocs]

What is the definition of a "True Villager"?

And you actually think anyone believes that you would be "happy paying" close to $1000/month in amenity fees and $25-30K/year in taxes? :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Yes, what IS a "true villager" ? What is a "true" anything ? Tampa resident, Orlando resident, Kansas City resident... what makes any of these people "true residents" ? How many years must they live in a location ? Does the fact they own homes, pay all fees, taxes, and utilities, but do not stay in their homes 365 days per year, count towards them being "true" (or "real" residents) ? Of course there are tourists, people who visit ANY area in the world and stay in AB&B's, hotels, motels, and with friends. Seems a simple problem to solve, why not just ban all such tourism in The Villages. There are retirement communities who do not allow any kind of tourism, so if that's what "true villagers" want, just close all the hotels in the V's, forbid renting one's own property, and forbid U.S. citizens who live here from listing their homes on sights like AB&B.... Easy solution if that's what we all want ! Or, if only a few people want that, there are many retirement places where you can find such restrictions ! Don't have to look too far away either !

[Pairadocs]

Lucky you didn't get shot

Sadly true ! This will be considered "whining" by some, but honestly, for some reason a higher percentage of people just seem to be exceptionally nasty, and sure seemed to increase even more during the virus period for some reason. America's friendliest hometown is still a very nice place in general, but it definitely is changing.

[MollyJo]

Riding my bike I saw a guy making tight circles on his golf cart in front of a postal kiosk. He stopped so I thought it was OK to pass. Without looking he started another loop and almost hit me.

I yelled “WATCH OUT.” Looking back I said “be more careful around people.” The guy replied FU, the long version. That's all I said, and I made no other reply.

I continued on my journey to have the guy follow me for about two miles (roughly 9 minutes). Intimidating me? In Florida, that’s “Road Rage.”

Finally he passed, yelling something out the side of his golf cart (incomprehensible over the roar of his englne), but then after his one-finger salute out the back, I knew it was not an apology. Then noticed he was wearing headphones (another FL illegal).

This kind of behavior is way too common in The Villages, but this was the worst yet. Impatient golfers driving like maniacs way over the 20mph speed limit going to and from courses. Wreckless drunks seeing how close they can come to cyclists and walkers after happy hour at the clubs and music venues. Funny? not
(another FL law: minimum 3-feet of clearance between vehicle and cyclists and pedestrials - most states are 5)

I think in the least there should be identification on golf carts. Being anonymous brings out the worst in people with issues.

Most definitely need a license plate to identify golf cars/owners. Childish behavior!

[djlaporte57@yahoo.com]

Soinds like some entitled snowbird family member.

They will be gone next week

Snowbirds aren’t the cause of all the problems in the Villages. Attitudes about them is.

[BillY41]

I can hardly wait until I am old enough to be a 'true' Villager!

[olliesnorth@aol.com]

Blaming , a snowbird 🙃🙃

[Sandy and Ed]

Some ID on Golf carts? Maybe. Why not? Question is what would be the real benefit if there was no action taken for any infraction?

[Laker14]

So instead of replying u attack for some bad placement of a finger on a keybord.

Id be happy paying FIVE times the taxes and amenity fees to get rid of seasonal renters, airbnb renters, and snowbirds. They are not true villagers..just tourists using up our facilities.

Drove out today…golf carts filled with breeders grandkids..some even driving. Go to DisneyWorld already!!!

Soinds like you moved to the wrong place.
It must be very frustrating to be so unhappy with your surroundings and see so many people who are enjoying themselves thoroughly.

Big sigh........

[Papa_lecki]

Yes, so let’s register every golf cart, while we are at it, let’s register every bike too (growing up, i thnk my borough did that - no idea why) -
charge $75 per golf cart every year.
Then, each golf cart needs to be inspected, another $125 a year.

For what, do you think the sherif will track down the guy who gave you the middle finger.
His defense will be “ I didn’t follow the guy onthe bike,I was going to XXXXXX (fill in the blank) and he happened to be on the route.“

[westernrider75]

So instead of replying u attack for some bad placement of a finger on a keybord.

Id be happy paying FIVE times the taxes and amenity fees to get rid of seasonal renters, airbnb renters, and snowbirds. They are not true villagers..just tourists using up our facilities.

Drove out today…golf carts filled with breeders grandkids..some even driving. Go to DisneyWorld already!!!

You do realize that some of those snowbirds are our neighbors and friends, and by the way, the are HOMEOWNERS.

[Sandy and Ed]

So you are saying that my wife and I are not true Villagers even though we have owned a home there for 7 1/2 years, never once rented out our home, meticulously maintain our home, pay all relevant fees on a monthly basis, help out our neighbors frequently with several handyman tasks, etc…, simply because we are not there full time. We are not necessarily snowbirds since we come down to our Villages home throughout the year as our schedules allow, but the winter months are always our longest stay.

Can you provide us with your address so we can take a dump on your home as we fly over while migrating north.
Well said (except for last sentence). I have no problems with snow birds. If you enjoy the lifestyle, great. Just leave whatever you are fleeing from back home. It does sound like the nut driving the golf cart may not have adopted the “Florida’s friendliest home town” attitude.

[dschneider]

Always. Has to be. No other explanation.

[golfing eagles]

Most definitely need a license plate to identify golf cars/owners. Childish behavior!

Most definitely. Right after we put license plates on all bicycles. I can't believe that someone actually posted that it is carts that blow through stop signs---they must be living in a parallel universe. For every Lance Armstrong wannabee with a go pro camera on their helmet looking for the slightest violation by others on the road, we could identify a hundred laws broken by cyclists.

[dhdallas]

I had a guy in a cart pass me on my bicycle right before the T-intersection of a tunnel in front of a blind curve near St Catherine. I yelled "What's the matter with you" so he stopped, got out of the cart and was going to punch me as I rode past. Then he chased me down the path, onto the road in St Catherine's, bounced over the curb around the cart barriers & continued to chase me on the walking/bike trail for a mile or so before giving up. I wish I could have gotten an ID on him.

[terryf484]

So instead of replying u attack for some bad placement of a finger on a keybord.

Id be happy paying FIVE times the taxes and amenity fees to get rid of seasonal renters, airbnb renters, and snowbirds. They are not true villagers..just tourists using up our facilities.

Drove out today…golf carts filled with breeders grandkids..some even driving. Go to DisneyWorld already!!!

So typical of posts, everything done in Villages is the fault of "renters, snowbirds, etc.!! It's obvious that fill time residents never do anything wrong.:bowdown:

[srswans]

Riding my bike I saw a guy making tight circles on his golf cart in front of a postal kiosk. He stopped so I thought it was OK to pass. Without looking he started another loop and almost hit me.

….

I sympathize. I had a golf carter brake check me three times one day - while I was cycling. Hasn’t happened again though. Stay safe.

[VApeople]

Riding my bike I saw a guy making tight circles on his golf cart in front of a postal kiosk.

What is a "tight circle"?

What is a "postal kiosk"? Where is it located in The Villages?

I had a golf carter brake check me three times one day - while I was cycling.

Maybe you were following the cart too closely, which is not smart.

[Lovey2]

Soinds like some entitled snowbird family member.

They will be gone next week

I should just move on but....how rude! You just showed that actual "real" Villagers can be rude and inconsiderate too. Nicely played.....:undecided: SMH

[Glowfromminnesota]

Love it. Lol. If they don’t like seasonal residents, move somewhere else.

[Normal]

Be happy it wasn’t an automobile and chalk it up to no harm done. Enjoy life in the Villages and press on.

I do question the term “common” in your informative post though, how “common”? Once a week? Once a month?

[Normal]

Love it. Lol. If they don’t like seasonal residents, move somewhere else.

Nah, just ban rentals with an ordinance.

[JMintzer]

I had a guy in a cart pass me on my bicycle right before the T-intersection of a tunnel in front of a blind curve near St Catherine. I yelled "What's the matter with you" so he stopped, got out of the cart and was going to punch me as I rode past. Then he chased me down the path, onto the road in St Catherine's, bounced over the curb around the cart barriers & continued to chase me on the walking/bike trail for a mile or so before giving up. I wish I could have gotten an ID on him.

And how would that have helped?

[ehendersonjr]

Riding my bike I saw a guy making tight circles on his golf cart in front of a postal kiosk. He stopped so I thought it was OK to pass. Without looking he started another loop and almost hit me.

I yelled “WATCH OUT.” Looking back I said “be more careful around people.” The guy replied FU, the long version. That's all I said, and I made no other reply.

I continued on my journey to have the guy follow me for about two miles (roughly 9 minutes). Intimidating me? In Florida, that’s “Road Rage.”

Finally he passed, yelling something out the side of his golf cart (incomprehensible over the roar of his englne), but then after his one-finger salute out the back, I knew it was not an apology. Then noticed he was wearing headphones (another FL illegal).

This kind of behavior is way too common in The Villages, but this was the worst yet. Impatient golfers driving like maniacs way over the 20mph speed limit going to and from courses. Wreckless drunks seeing how close they can come to cyclists and walkers after happy hour at the clubs and music venues. Funny? not
(another FL law: minimum 3-feet of clearance between vehicle and cyclists and pedestrials - most states are 5)

I think in the least there should be identification on golf carts. Being anonymous brings out the worst in people with issues.

The Villages are a microcosm of America in general. There are some saints AND sinners and the rest of us, who distribute our time between one faction and the other.

[me4vt]

Soinds like some entitled snowbird family member.

They will be gone next week
My woke side! I’m sorry but I don’t want to offend you but, not everyone in Florida is a snowbird🥴 There probably isn’t 25% of the Village People that were born and raised in Florida so that means 75% flew south at some point!!! Again, I hope this didn’t offend any one…….

[ILLINOIS RAY]

Why is it neccesary to make a shot at Snowbirds? I am not one but I never understand the entitlement attitude toward snowbirds. They pay as much in taxes and amenities to people that live here everyday.

[VApeople]

Riding my bike I saw a guy making tight circles on his golf cart in front of a postal kiosk.

What is a "tight circle"?

What is a "postal kiosk"? Where is one in The Villages?

[me4vt]

Well said (except for last sentence). I have no problems with snow birds. If you enjoy the lifestyle, great. Just leave whatever you are fleeing from back home. It does sound like the nut driving the golf cart may not have adopted the “Florida’s friendliest home town” attitude.
I hope this doesn’t offend anyone but, they’re leaving the snow and baby setting chores behind! Again, I’m very sorry if this Post offended anyone…….

[Innserelli]

So instead of replying u attack for some bad placement of a finger on a keybord.

Id be happy paying FIVE times the taxes and amenity fees to get rid of seasonal renters, airbnb renters, and snowbirds. They are not true villagers..just tourists using up our facilities.

Drove out today…golf carts filled with breeders grandkids..some even driving. Go to DisneyWorld already!!!

I agree with BoogieShooter - Your comment is so sad.
Blaming, calling out half of the TV residents as some sort of posers since they come and go, calling parents "beeders" (which certainly expresses some level of disdain.) Really? Why so cynical?
.
I have only owned a here year, and so far I find TV is a great place. Yes, occasionally there might be someone who acts like a jerk over something, but I'm pretty sure most of us have fallen prey to similar behavior and usually over something not very important. I have found people are super friendly and very accommodating. There's a lot to love here, mainly because of the social life with friends and neighbors who may or may not be full time.

In my experience people who don't like living where they are currently, are probably not going to like where they move next. I suggest you take a minute to consider your attitude. I believe there is a good deal of wisdom in the saying, "be the change you want to see in others."

[merrymini]

Owner, renter, snowbird, all residents. This bias exists every where and is stupid. I have no objection to identifying golf carts and think it is a good idea. They can cause a lot of damage to a biker and recently an accident occurred near my home where a biker lost his life to a golf cart hit. Very sad.

[MidWestIA]

When he turns around take a pic give to police

[me4vt]

So instead of replying u attack for some bad placement of a finger on a keybord.

Id be happy paying FIVE times the taxes and amenity fees to get rid of seasonal renters, airbnb renters, and snowbirds. They are not true villagers..just tourists using up our facilities.

Drove out today…golf carts filled with breeders grandkids..some even driving. Go to DisneyWorld already!!!
I apologize if this offends anybody but maybe You need to stay closer to Your nursing home next time You’re out and about! Again, I hope this didn’t offended anybody!

[golfing eagles]

When he turns around take a pic give to police

So, you give a picture of some guy in a golf cart and you expect the police to do WHAT?????

[lpkruege1]

So, I am a snowbird. I'm here 7 months out of the year. I Own a house here. I Pay Taxes. I Pay the amenities fees. I Pay the golf path fees. I am a resident of Florida. I VOTE here. I Do NOT tailgate, litter, swear at others, have a dog, put the trash out too early, nor any of the other things Snowbirds are accused of, so it must be the Real Villagers doing those things. I mean one person's perspective must be the truth. After all, I'm friendly. I ride my bike and make room for golf carts to pass. I stop at stop signs. I wait my turn at roundabouts. I pick up trash if I see it laying in street. So, it Can't be the Snowbirds, IT MUST be the real residents that bought the very first houses in the historic section, after all the rest of us came here from somewhere else. So, None of us must be truly the REAL residents. Unless you want to say it's all the indigenous people that were ran out of here. Don't Worry, Be Happy.

[trishaf]

Oh my goodness, you are full of rage. I hope you realize a lot of the people you don’t like become permanent residents here, in the future, and help with the viability
Of The Villages.

[ehonour]

Can't help but chuckle sadly a little reading this thread. Reminds me of "A Man Called Otto," where Otto has to do his daily rounds to make sure all the parked cars have proper stickers, the bikes are stored properly in the bike rack, the recyclables are in the proper bins, the dog poop is properly picked up... Spends his life trying to fix everyone else.

Lighten up, friends. Enjoy life.

[Beyond The Wall]

Soinds like some entitled snowbird family member.

They will be gone next week

Sounds like a visitor !
Percentage of ex snowbirds who are now cranky year rounders is very high

[Cheapbas]

Wait till the new gun laws go into effect and all these seniors can carry one in their carts or person. The MF salute will be the least of your concerns.

[msirianni]

Soinds like some entitled snowbird family member.

They will be gone next week

Sounds like an entitled typical drunk full time Villager to me. There is plenty of danger here in the Villages from May to October.

[Jazzman]

I can hardly wait until I am old enough to be a 'true' Villager!
Age is only one requirement. You have to pass the whiner test as well. If you fail that part, we’ll…..

[JMintzer]

Lucky you didn't get shot

Sadly true ! This will be considered "whining" by some, but honestly, for some reason a higher percentage of people just seem to be exceptionally nasty, and sure seemed to increase even more during the virus period for some reason. America's friendliest hometown is still a very nice place in general, but it definitely is changing.

Please explain to me this irrational fear people have of "getting shot" over a golf cart incident in TV...

Is this a common occurrence that I just haven't heard about?

[JMintzer]

Most definitely need a license plate to identify golf cars/owners. Childish behavior!

And how would the identity of the person help?

[JMintzer]

Wait till the new gun laws go into effect and all these seniors can carry one in their carts or person. The MF salute will be the least of your concerns.

With all of the carry permits currently owned, why isn't it a problem now?

[Lynnesail]

What is the definition of a "True Villager"?

And you actually think anyone believes that you would be "happy paying" close to $1000/month in amenity fees and $25-30K/year in taxes? :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

I do think rentals could be limited to monthly. Many communities have this in place. I agree the developer is unlikely to implement this.

[OhioBuckeye]

Welcome to the friendliest city in America!

[Shellshack]

I wrote them a letter (no email-text) and told them, We have a great place here, please do not cross highway 27 or build Spanish Springs. We don’t need those kind of people here.”

[Normal]

Wait till the new gun laws go into effect and all these seniors can carry one in their carts or person. The MF salute will be the least of your concerns.

Honestly, the seniors who want to carry guns likely haven’t waited till a law was passed. They are and will already be carrying them as they please. It’s kind of like not caring what others think or feel. What can really be done to them either way?

[DonH57]

Riding my bike I saw a guy making tight circles on his golf cart in front of a postal kiosk. He stopped so I thought it was OK to pass. Without looking he started another loop and almost hit me.

I yelled “WATCH OUT.” Looking back I said “be more careful around people.” The guy replied FU, the long version. That's all I said, and I made no other reply.

I continued on my journey to have the guy follow me for about two miles (roughly 9 minutes). Intimidating me? In Florida, that’s “Road Rage.”

Finally he passed, yelling something out the side of his golf cart (incomprehensible over the roar of his englne), but then after his one-finger salute out the back, I knew it was not an apology. Then noticed he was wearing headphones (another FL illegal).

This kind of behavior is way too common in The Villages, but this was the worst yet. Impatient golfers driving like maniacs way over the 20mph speed limit going to and from courses. Wreckless drunks seeing how close they can come to cyclists and walkers after happy hour at the clubs and music venues. Funny? not
(another FL law: minimum 3-feet of clearance between vehicle and cyclists and pedestrials - most states are 5)

I think in the least there should be identification on golf carts. Being anonymous brings out the worst in people with issues.

There will never be an identification system for golf carts. Being anonymous means endangering others with no guilt and risk of being responsible. Walking, bicycling, and even carting on the cart paths means doing so at you own risk. That's all you can do.

[RedChariot]

So instead of replying u attack for some bad placement of a finger on a keybord.

Id be happy paying FIVE times the taxes and amenity fees to get rid of seasonal renters, airbnb renters, and snowbirds. They are not true villagers..just tourists using up our facilities.

Drove out today…golf carts filled with breeders grandkids..some even driving. Go to DisneyWorld already!!!

Me too!!!! Would do a jig to see them all go away!

[Battlebasset]

My experience has been most people around here are very pleasant. Wave when you walk past them on the walking paths, nice conversation when you pick up the mail, and if they pass you on their golf cart that exceeds 20 mph (the Florida limit) they don't yell or scowl as they pass.

That said, there are some jerks, and I've ran into them. They can usually be spotted by their behavior and permanent scowl and avoided but not always.

Best to not respond to their anger. It won't change them, but will endanger you.

[RedChariot]

You do realize that some of those snowbirds are our neighbors and friends, and by the way, the are HOMEOWNERS.

Not all !!! And there lies the problem.

[Larchap49]

Lucky you didn't get shot

Well you know as of July 1st FL will become a Constitutional carry state, meaning if you are not a felon or would otherwise qualify for a gun permit you will no longer need a permit to carry a concealed weapon. Sooooo you might want to think twice about going off on or losing your temper with anyone, especially if they already seem a little off center. Happy motoring.

[toeser]

Soinds like some entitled snowbird family member.

They will be gone next week

Please lose the attitude.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

The other 99% of us think it was terrible.... it was one of the few "ISOLATED" incidents here in TV!

__________________________________________________ __

:censored:
I agree. It's not "way too common in The Villages".

I hear a stories on here about isolated incidents and conditions and people talk about how widespread a problem is.

I find the vast, vast majority of people in The Villages to be sensible and reasonable. yes, some of them have their golf carts adjusted to go a bit faster than normal(mine came from the factory going 21-22 mph) but they are usually patient and wait to pass slower vehicles.

I often read about horribly dangerous conditions in some areas but when I see them I think that the problem has been greatly exaggerated.

I think some people just look for and want to believe the worst of everything.

Sorry, but this is a great place where people are very nice.

[joelfmi]

Is the person a renter or resident. if the person is a renter than that what you get when you rent to some people not all renter are like this one described. Some Quest like fish begin to smell on the third day.

[Velvet]

Riding my bike I saw a guy making tight circles on his golf cart in front of a postal kiosk. He stopped so I thought it was OK to pass. Without looking he started another loop and almost hit me.

I yelled “WATCH OUT.” Looking back I said “be more careful around people.” The guy replied FU, the long version. That's all I said, and I made no other reply.

I continued on my journey to have the guy follow me for about two miles (roughly 9 minutes). Intimidating me? In Florida, that’s “Road Rage.”

Finally he passed, yelling something out the side of his golf cart (incomprehensible over the roar of his englne), but then after his one-finger salute out the back, I knew it was not an apology. Then noticed he was wearing headphones (another FL illegal).

This kind of behavior is way too common in The Villages, but this was the worst yet. Impatient golfers driving like maniacs way over the 20mph speed limit going to and from courses. Wreckless drunks seeing how close they can come to cyclists and walkers after happy hour at the clubs and music venues. Funny? not
(another FL law: minimum 3-feet of clearance between vehicle and cyclists and pedestrials - most states are 5)

I think in the least there should be identification on golf carts. Being anonymous brings out the worst in people with issues.

I have a different take on this, you see when I was learning to drive the golf cart I went to the post office (it was close by and I could make it) in the early morning to avoid traffic and practiced very tight circles and eights to get to know the cart. I did roll up all the sumbrella stuff so I could see in every direction. I don’t know why he had headphones unless he was listening to instructions. Early morning seems to be a favorite time of bike riders also. There is a possibility that he was startled by your unexpected presence. When you are learning you are concentrating on the vehicle, his startling may have been the reason for his unacceptable behavior.

[fdpaq0580]

I have a different take on this, you see when I was learning to drive the golf cart I went to the post office (it was close by and I could make it) in the early morning to avoid traffic and practiced very tight circles and eights to get to know the cart. I did roll up all the sumbrella stuff so I could see in every direction. I don’t know why he had headphones unless he was listening to instructions. Early morning seems to be a favorite time of bike riders also. There is a possibility that he was startled by your unexpected presence. When you are learning you are concentrating on the vehicle, his startling may have been the reason for his unacceptable behavior.

You must be a very kind person. Generous of soul and seeking reasons to absolve poor behavior. You seek the best in others.

The guy in the cart had ear buds and was purposely unaware of his surroundings and endangering others.

[Indydealmaker]

So you are saying that my wife and I are not true Villagers even though we have owned a home there for 7 1/2 years, never once rented out our home, meticulously maintain our home, pay all relevant fees on a monthly basis, help out our neighbors frequently with several handyman tasks, etc…, simply because we are not there full time. We are not necessarily snowbirds since we come down to our Villages home throughout the year as our schedules allow, but the winter months are always our longest stay.

Can you provide us with your address so we can take a dump on your home as we fly over while migrating north.

Forgive him. He was absent the day God passed out Critical Thinking Skills.

[jimjamuser]

Riding my bike I saw a guy making tight circles on his golf cart in front of a postal kiosk. He stopped so I thought it was OK to pass. Without looking he started another loop and almost hit me.

I yelled “WATCH OUT.” Looking back I said “be more careful around people.” The guy replied FU, the long version. That's all I said, and I made no other reply.

I continued on my journey to have the guy follow me for about two miles (roughly 9 minutes). Intimidating me? In Florida, that’s “Road Rage.”

Finally he passed, yelling something out the side of his golf cart (incomprehensible over the roar of his englne), but then after his one-finger salute out the back, I knew it was not an apology. Then noticed he was wearing headphones (another FL illegal).

This kind of behavior is way too common in The Villages, but this was the worst yet. Impatient golfers driving like maniacs way over the 20mph speed limit going to and from courses. Wreckless drunks seeing how close they can come to cyclists and walkers after happy hour at the clubs and music venues. Funny? not
(another FL law: minimum 3-feet of clearance between vehicle and cyclists and pedestrials - most states are 5)

I think in the least there should be identification on golf carts. Being anonymous brings out the worst in people with issues.
The Police should pick a top speed for golf carts (like 25) and inspect and ticket ANY and ALL golf carts that have the capacity to go faster than the AGREED ON speed limit. They all need to have the SAME max speed for safety's sake.

[jimjamuser]

Sadly true ! This will be considered "whining" by some, but honestly, for some reason a higher percentage of people just seem to be exceptionally nasty, and sure seemed to increase even more during the virus period for some reason. America's friendliest hometown is still a very nice place in general, but it definitely is changing.
I feel that during and after the Pandemic that automobile drivers began driving too fast and became less courteous. It seemed like the Covid virus brought out impatience and general BAD behavior in many people here in TV Land.

[meme5x]

Soinds like some entitled snowbird family member.

They will be gone next week

Why are Snowbirds blamed for everything? How about the unfriendliness of people that live there year round.. I pay the same for amenities as do year round residents.. just don’t spend as much time there!

[Pgcacace]

I would not be happy to pay more taxes and amenity fees.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Why are Snowbirds blamed for everything? How about the unfriendliness of people that live there year round.. I pay the same for amenities as do year round residents.. just don’t spend as much time there!

And let's not forget all the crimes that occur when it's /not/ snowbird season. Most of it is likely theft/burglary (pretty easy to get away with if you are a snowbirder and don't rent your home out during the off-season).
There are plenty of traffic violations, including DUI/DWIs. Elder abuse, trespassing, fraud, operating without a license, etc. etc.

You can't blame all of that on snowbirds, during the off-season.

[graciegirl]

And let's not forget all the crimes that occur when it's /not/ snowbird season. Most of it is likely theft/burglary (pretty easy to get away with if you are a snowbirder and don't rent your home out during the off-season).
There are plenty of traffic violations, including DUI/DWIs. Elder abuse, trespassing, fraud, operating without a license, etc. etc.

You can't blame all of that on snowbirds, during the off-season.

Crime always is higher here during the high season. Period. Amen.

[Rango]

Soinds like some entitled snowbird family member.

They will be gone next week

Yep, it’s those pesky snow birds again. Full time residents would never do that.

[Sorrento19]

What does "soinds" mean and why would you assume this has anything to do with a "snowbird" or relative?

Oh wait. You must be one of those folks who would be happy to pay double for your Amenity Fees and Taxes, as soon as you can figure out a way to displace all the part-time residents.

I can certainly understand the frustration of most home owners regarding vacation rentals.
When in Rome….

[BlueStarAirlines]

I've found that cameras are the great equalizer. Have them in my car and golf car. I don't ever confront or escalate and give grace as we all make mistakes.

I had one idiot do something similar to the OP so I just posted a link to the entire episode to our village FB page and ask if anyone knew him. Two days latera woman contacted me after being alerted by several neighbors that the video of her husband were making the rounds. She apologized for him and asked me to take the video down. Shaming works for most of the population.

[Mcnuke]

Riding my bike I saw a guy making tight circles on his golf cart in front of a postal kiosk. He stopped so I thought it was OK to pass. Without looking he started another loop and almost hit me.

I yelled “WATCH OUT.” Looking back I said “be more careful around people.” The guy replied FU, the long version. That's all I said, and I made no other reply.

I continued on my journey to have the guy follow me for about two miles (roughly 9 minutes). Intimidating me? In Florida, that’s “Road Rage.”

Finally he passed, yelling something out the side of his golf cart (incomprehensible over the roar of his englne), but then after his one-finger salute out the back, I knew it was not an apology. Then noticed he was wearing headphones (another FL illegal).

This kind of behavior is way too common in The Villages, but this was the worst yet. Impatient golfers driving like maniacs way over the 20mph speed limit going to and from courses. Wreckless drunks seeing how close they can come to cyclists and walkers after happy hour at the clubs and music venues. Funny? not
(another FL law: minimum 3-feet of clearance between vehicle and cyclists and pedestrials - most states are 5)

I think in the least there should be identification on golf carts. Being anonymous brings out the worst in people with issues.

Carts, new bikers, and walkers can be unpredictable. I’ve ridden over 150,000 miles all over the country - enough to recognize that our MMP’s aren’t a very safe place to bike.

If the roads in TV make you nervous; Try bike trails off-the compound; we’re surrounded by beautiful ones: (no cars or golf carts)
North=Ocala/Santos trail, West=Inverness/Withlahoochi trail,
South=Mable/Van Fleet trail,
East = Winter Garden/West Orange trail.

Sorry to hear about your Run-in with a deranged individual. Sadly, I don’t foresee the situation getting any better for cyclists here.

[fdpaq0580]

I've found that cameras are the great equalizer. Have them in my car and golf car. I don't ever confront or escalate and give grace as we all make mistakes.

I had one idiot do something similar to the OP so I just posted a link to the entire episode to our village FB page and ask if anyone knew him. Two days latera woman contacted me after being alerted by several neighbors that the video of her husband were making the rounds. She apologized for him and asked me to take the video down. Shaming works for most of the population.

Handled like a real man! Let his wife beg forgiveness for his stupidity! You da man, Conan, you barbarian.

[fdpaq0580]

Please explain to me this irrational fear people have of "getting shot" over a golf cart incident in TV...

Is this a common occurrence that I just haven't heard about?

Happens almost every day at my house. DW "shoots" a glance in my direction, and I thank my lucky stars that looks can't kill.

[fdpaq0580]

Can't help but chuckle sadly a little reading this thread. Reminds me of "A Man Called Otto," where Otto has to do his daily rounds to make sure all the parked cars have proper stickers, the bikes are stored properly in the bike rack, the recyclables are in the proper bins, the dog poop is properly picked up... Spends his life trying to fix everyone else.

NOOOO! Awww! I haven't see that yet.
Jeez!

[graciegirl]

I don't recognize some new names. I wonder if it's the old guys with new names............

[fdpaq0580]

So, you give a picture of some guy in a golf cart and you expect the police to do WHAT?????

Put the doughnut down and beat 'em up! Do I have to think of e.everything?

😉

[fdpaq0580]

What is a "tight circle"?

What is a "postal kiosk"? Where is it located in The Villages?



Maybe you were following the cart too closely, which is not smart.

A tight circle is a dot.
A postal kiosk is a place to buy postage stamps.
Where is it located? Your nearest post office.

You're welcome and I'm glad I could help.
������

[fdpaq0580]

I had a guy in a cart pass me on my bicycle right before the T-intersection of a tunnel in front of a blind curve near St Catherine. I yelled "What's the matter with you" so he stopped, got out of the cart and was going to punch me as I rode past. Then he chased me down the path, onto the road in St Catherine's, bounced over the curb around the cart barriers & continued to chase me on the walking/bike trail for a mile or so before giving up. I wish I could have gotten an ID on him.

Get a cheap personal camera. Next time you will have his picture and if he theaters you, file an assault report to have him arrested.

[golfing eagles]

The Police should pick a top speed for golf carts (like 25) and inspect and ticket ANY and ALL golf carts that have the capacity to go faster than the AGREED ON speed limit. They all need to have the SAME max speed for safety's sake.

Another function of the nanny state paid for by the taxpayers???????

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Another function of the nanny state paid for by the taxpayers???????

Sounds to me like the same function, just enforced. Exceeding the maximum speed on a golf cart is already a violation. Exceeding the speed limit is another violation. These are traffic violations, worthy of nothing more than a ticket. But if they're not enforced, there's no point in them existing.

I'm all for more efficient enforcement. Can't catch everyone - but for instance today -

I was coming past the Boone Gate on Paradise on my way to the golf cart bridge from my end of the neighborhood. I was behind three other golf carts. The speed limit after the intersection is posted as 15mph. We were all going around 17-18mph. And the guy directly in front of me shifted over to the other side of the road and passed the other TWO golf carts - very obviously going well past 25mph.

If there had been a police car at the fire department, the postal parking lot, or the rec center parking lot, they could've pulled that guy over and given him a ticket for a few different violations.

But there is never a police car at these locations, unless they're called to handle an existing problem.

[Bill14564]

Sounds to me like the same function, just enforced. Exceeding the maximum speed on a golf cart is already a violation. Exceeding the speed limit is another violation. These are traffic violations, worthy of nothing more than a ticket. But if they're not enforced, there's no point in them existing.

I'm all for more efficient enforcement. Can't catch everyone - but for instance today -

I was coming past the Boone Gate on Paradise on my way to the golf cart bridge from my end of the neighborhood. I was behind three other golf carts. The speed limit after the intersection is posted as 15mph. We were all going around 17-18mph. And the guy directly in front of me shifted over to the other side of the road and passed the other TWO golf carts - very obviously going well past 25mph.

If there had been a police car at the fire department, the postal parking lot, or the rec center parking lot, they could've pulled that guy over and given him a ticket for a few different violations.

But there is never a police car at these locations, unless they're called to handle an existing problem.

So you are proposing there should be an officer parked at every fire station, every postal station, and every rec center to ticket vehicles exceeding the speed limit? How many additional cars would that be and who is going to pay for them?

Also, should they ticket people going 3mph over the posted limit or only the "real" speeders?

I'm surprised you didn't mention how much damage was done (other than your feelings) or how bad the injuries were.

[Trishakaye]

Soinds like some entitled snowbird family member.

They will be gone next week

People are losing their minds. Would be laughable if not dangerous and scary. Sane people have to walk away in case the moron goes full throttle. It’s everywhere - not just TV. Are we living in The Matrix?

[golfing eagles]

Sounds to me like the same function, just enforced. Exceeding the maximum speed on a golf cart is already a violation. Exceeding the speed limit is another violation. These are traffic violations, worthy of nothing more than a ticket. But if they're not enforced, there's no point in them existing.

I'm all for more efficient enforcement. Can't catch everyone - but for instance today -

I was coming past the Boone Gate on Paradise on my way to the golf cart bridge from my end of the neighborhood. I was behind three other golf carts. The speed limit after the intersection is posted as 15mph. We were all going around 17-18mph. And the guy directly in front of me shifted over to the other side of the road and passed the other TWO golf carts - very obviously going well past 25mph.

If there had been a police car at the fire department, the postal parking lot, or the rec center parking lot, they could've pulled that guy over and given him a ticket for a few different violations.

But there is never a police car at these locations, unless they're called to handle an existing problem.

Your position is fine. It sounded to me like the other poster was talking about law enforcement inspecting "all" golf carts. Let's see---60,000 carts in TV alone---what would that cost in time and $$$. Besides, one could jack up the speed, turn it back down for "inspection" then jack it back up---from what I understand, all it takes is a zip tie on the governor. Unless they schedule and co-ordinate 60,000 unannounced inspections---good luck with that.......

[justjim]

First residents who own their property and go north for a few months (usually in summer)are Sunbirds not Snowbirds. Second, we are a community of 140,000 residents. With that number expect a small number of “weird” people. We have a wonderful lifestyle here in The Villages. We don’t need a plate on are golf carts, driver license to drive a golf cart, more police on every corner or tickets for parking or driving over a white line. None of which would make a difference but would add to our monthly costs and frustration. Careful what you wish for because it could become a self fulfilling prophecy.

[DARFAP]

Times of the anti-Christ

[DDToto41]

So instead of replying u attack for some bad placement of a finger on a keybord.

Id be happy paying FIVE times the taxes and amenity fees to get rid of seasonal renters, airbnb renters, and snowbirds. They are not true villagers. just tourists using up our facilities.

Drove out today…golf carts filled with breeders grandkids. some even driving. Go to Disney World already!!!

Some snowbirds live here permanently and vacation up North for 3-4 Months. I've lived here for 18 years and the permanent residents drive the same way. Those people need classes in etiquette, driving and anger management.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

So you are proposing there should be an officer parked at every fire station, every postal station, and every rec center to ticket vehicles exceeding the speed limit? How many additional cars would that be and who is going to pay for them?

Also, should they ticket people going 3mph over the posted limit or only the "real" speeders?

I'm surprised you didn't mention how much damage was done (other than your feelings) or how bad the injuries were.

No I'm suggesting that they SOMETIMES make an attempt at enforcing the rules. Going 2-3 miles over the speed limit, while technically a violation, isn't ticket-worthy.

But a golf cart that isn't registered or plated as an LSV, going almost double the posted speed limit to cross into the wrong lane to pass two vehicles which are -not- going "too slow" or trying to turn (or otherwise warranting someone passing them) - is probably ticket-worthy.

I have never seen a police car pull over a golf cart in the 3 years I've been living here, or in the few times I visited in previous years before I lived here.

I've seen - in the three years I've lived here - a police car sitting on the side of the road (presumably waiting for potential violations) exactly five times, two of which were on El Camino Real near the Savannah Center. Twice on Paradise next to the Boone Gate. In three years.

I'm not expecting to see them every day. Or even necessarily every week. But once a month might be a pretty significant improvement.

[Pairadocs]

Illegitimi non carborundum - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegitimi_non_carborundum)

I have been saying this to myself since getting on message boards around 2002. Also applies to real life. I had some schmuck give me a finger when I was behind him at a Villages' gate yesterday. Maybe he is upset with NOTHING. And have had others give me a thumbed nose or chin flick the last few months. And much worse on other places online.

It is really troubling what is happening to people's (minds) in regard to attitude and anger; deep DEEP anger. I accepted it was partially the result of the virus, but the acceleration of the anger and violence, everywhere, it mystifying and frightening. In how many cities were there police shot THIS WEEK ? I believe total was three incidents of police being shot this week, in one week, and on the heels of the school shooting, and the killing of the tech executive in San Fran for a meeting. The woman in her golf cart hit by a truck this week, the folks who reported nasty gestures and incidents on this board, and the killing of 3 young ones in Ocala by 3 others, a 12 year old. Riley Gains, the swimmer, nearly killed by trans rights activists for ...... giving a speech, not for attacking trans people, not for violently rioting or hurting people, but giving a speech on HER view of the issue of trans athletes competing as women, a speech she was invited to give. Then a week ago, a distinguished judge, again, INVITED to speech, but attacked for his opinion of an issue. Saw this beginning years ago in the villages, used to be, Democrats and Republicans had clubs here, displayed signs of their preferred candidates, had parades, then turned in to physical attacks, vandalism of people's yards, autos, and golf carts. Tonight, the eve on Easter, more violent incidents at public places like a mall in Delaware, 4 shot in Huston ! Really, there IS something "wrong" in our society. There is an on line "newspaper" that reports villages news, accidents, vandalism, incidents of domestic violence, child pornography criminals in the Villages, things the Happy Daily would not report. That's fine, "news" papers actually have a moral obligation to report the news, so they report what is on the police blotter. But if you read the "comments" people from the area write, it's actually horrifying. The HATE for villages residents, the pervasive hate for seniors, comments that the Villages is a haven for "retards and drunks" as one writer put it, makes you wonder just what is causing all this seething hate always barely under the surface ! Why ? ? Most, MOST people living here, and in the surrounding senior areas, are involved in at least one weekly volunteer endeavor to help make the surrounding area better ! From tutoring children, to acting as guardians for children with no one to represent them in court/custody issues, to our favorite activity, building homes for those in need with Habitat. So many villagers works in soup kitchens, even volunteering on holidays, and they help in local schools, make sure the "children of the Ocala National Forest" have needed articles, they knit an crochet for hospital and nursing home forgotten patients, it would take all night to list what goes on here in a WEEK, yet, the hate for this community, based on a TINY few who say things like the people from surrounding towns should not be allowed in our gates, or allowed to shop in "OUR" stores ! ! ? ? Breeds deep hate and very deep resentment ! And why, for no purpose at all. We have many religions here, is that what they all teach ? Exclusive stores, streets, even music that should not be heard by others, street parades and festivals ONLY for the residents ? Maybe so, maybe that IS today's world. Happy Easter if that even has any meaning these days ?

[JohnN]

Times of the anti-Christ

10-4 on that one

[Garywt]

So instead of replying u attack for some bad placement of a finger on a keybord.

Id be happy paying FIVE times the taxes and amenity fees to get rid of seasonal renters, airbnb renters, and snowbirds. They are not true villagers..just tourists using up our facilities.

Drove out today…golf carts filled with breeders grandkids..some even driving. Go to DisneyWorld already!!!

You are a much bigger problem than the driver of the golf cart but if willing to pay 5 times my taxes to keep me away then send me $27,500 and we will see what we can do plus $2400 for the amenities fee.

Of course I can see how you feel I am not a true Villager. As for your last comment, have you been a bigot your entire life.

[Sandy and Ed]

For poster #100: thanks for verbalizing something I have also noticed as well.

[rherb55]

The guy was actually telling you, that you are # 1…..

[bark4me]

Riding my bike I saw a guy making tight circles on his golf cart in front of a postal kiosk. He stopped so I thought it was OK to pass. Without looking he started another loop and almost hit me.

I yelled “WATCH OUT.” Looking back I said “be more careful around people.” The guy replied FU, the long version. That's all I said, and I made no other reply.

I continued on my journey to have the guy follow me for about two miles (roughly 9 minutes). Intimidating me? In Florida, that’s “Road Rage.”

Finally he passed, yelling something out the side of his golf cart (incomprehensible over the roar of his englne), but then after his one-finger salute out the back, I knew it was not an apology. Then noticed he was wearing headphones (another FL illegal).

This kind of behavior is way too common in The Villages, but this was the worst yet. Impatient golfers driving like maniacs way over the 20mph speed limit going to and from courses. Wreckless drunks seeing how close they can come to cyclists and walkers after happy hour at the clubs and music venues. Funny? not
(another FL law: minimum 3-feet of clearance between vehicle and cyclists and pedestrials - in most states it is 5 feet)

I feel, in the least, there should be identification on golf carts. Being anonymous brings out the worst in people with issues.
Very true. Good idea but it'll never happen.

[bark4me]

Riding my bike I saw a guy making tight circles on his golf cart in front of a postal kiosk. He stopped so I thought it was OK to pass. Without looking he started another loop and almost hit me.

I yelled “WATCH OUT.” Looking back I said “be more careful around people.” The guy replied FU, the long version. That's all I said, and I made no other reply.

I continued on my journey to have the guy follow me for about two miles (roughly 9 minutes). Intimidating me? In Florida, that’s “Road Rage.”

Finally he passed, yelling something out the side of his golf cart (incomprehensible over the roar of his englne), but then after his one-finger salute out the back, I knew it was not an apology. Then noticed he was wearing headphones (another FL illegal).

This kind of behavior is way too common in The Villages, but this was the worst yet. Impatient golfers driving like maniacs way over the 20mph speed limit going to and from courses. Wreckless drunks seeing how close they can come to cyclists and walkers after happy hour at the clubs and music venues. Funny? not
(another FL law: minimum 3-feet of clearance between vehicle and cyclists and pedestrials - in most states it is 5 feet)

I feel, in the least, there should be identification on golf carts. Being anonymous brings out the worst in people with issues.
Ref "the finger". I'm certain he was trying to show you what his IQ was... Or maybe how many friends he has!

[Keefelane66]

I can’t wait for Open Carry July 1st

[Bill14564]

I can’t wait for Open Carry July 1st

You're going to be waiting a long time.

[Crookedbreeze]

Riding my bike I saw a guy making tight circles on his golf cart in front of a postal kiosk. He stopped so I thought it was OK to pass. Without looking he started another loop and almost hit me.

I yelled “WATCH OUT.” Looking back I said “be more careful around people.” The guy replied FU, the long version. That's all I said, and I made no other reply.

I continued on my journey to have the guy follow me for about two miles (roughly 9 minutes). Intimidating me? In Florida, that’s “Road Rage.”

Finally he passed, yelling something out the side of his golf cart (incomprehensible over the roar of his englne), but then after his one-finger salute out the back, I knew it was not an apology. Then noticed he was wearing headphones (another FL illegal).

This kind of behavior is way too common in The Villages, but this was the worst yet. Impatient golfers driving like maniacs way over the 20mph speed limit going to and from courses. Wreckless drunks seeing how close they can come to cyclists and walkers after happy hour at the clubs and music venues. Funny? not
(another FL law: minimum 3-feet of clearance between vehicle and cyclists and pedestrials - in most states it is 5 feet)

I feel, in the least, there should be identification on golf carts. Being anonymous brings out the worst in people with issues.
I was going to ask if you had a description.

[Crookedbreeze]

Why I read this I do not know. I guess it’s like the train wreck. You just can’t turn away.

[George Page]

Soinds like some entitled snowbird family member.

They will be gone next week

Simply put……..
No Snowbirds, no Villages

Wake up every morning and thank God we come down and subsidize your lifestyle because you cannot afford it.
Can you say ‘single wide’?

[bjansson]

And the same thing i tell my granddaughters: NEVER allow anyone to follow you. EVER. Stand your ground and whip out that phone.

Sorry you had to suffer this person.

[bjansson]

I can’t wait for Open Carry July 1st

😲😲😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😊

[Nucky]

NOTHING, driving wise in a Car or Golf Cart is ever going to change, never, ever, never ever!

Get over it and just drive defensively and enjoy the good stuff around us!

[walterray1]

NOTHING, driving wise in a Car or Golf Cart is ever going to change, never, ever, never ever!

Get over it and just drive defensively and enjoy the good stuff around us!

8 pages of this.

[Velvet]

NOTHING, driving wise in a Car or Golf Cart is ever going to change, never, ever, never ever!

Get over it and just drive defensively and enjoy the good stuff around us!

That is what I was taught in driving school, always give yourself an out. It’s harder on a bicycle because you can’t easily pick up speed. And we all gage what the other driver is going to do, so when they are erratic, this guy stopped, one assumes how he is going to react, not start up and hit you, for example.

[VApeople]

Can you say ‘single wide’?

Yeah, I sure can.

I was raised in a single-wide in Fort Myers Beach in the 1950's and it was a great place to grow up. I have many wonderful memories of my life there.

[Warcats]

Riding my bike I saw a guy making tight circles on his golf cart in front of a postal kiosk. He stopped so I thought it was OK to pass. Without looking he started another loop and almost hit me.

I yelled “WATCH OUT.” Looking back I said “be more careful around people.” The guy replied FU, the long version. That's all I said, and I made no other reply.

I continued on my journey to have the guy follow me for about two miles (roughly 9 minutes). Intimidating me? In Florida, that’s “Road Rage.”

Finally he passed, yelling something out the side of his golf cart (incomprehensible over the roar of his englne), but then after his one-finger salute out the back, I knew it was not an apology. Then noticed he was wearing headphones (another FL illegal).

This kind of behavior is way too common in The Villages, but this was the worst yet. Impatient golfers driving like maniacs way over the 20mph speed limit going to and from courses. Wreckless drunks seeing how close they can come to cyclists and walkers after happy hour at the clubs and music venues. Funny? not
(another FL law: minimum 3-feet of clearance between vehicle and cyclists and pedestrials - in most states it is 5 feet)

I feel, in the least, there should be identification on golf carts. Being anonymous brings out the worst in people with issues.
Let us show him the bottom of Lake Eaton as he admires his new cement shoes. Fun for the whole family🤣

[banjobob]

So sorry you encountered such an A$$Hole he is the future of the Villages morons with toys showing totally how stupid they are. On the happy side most people here are #1 good Christian people
#2 responsible people with high standards of behavior
#3 home owners with pride in their homes
#4 people that enjoy all The Villages has to offer
And then we must contend with the druggies , drunks, show-offs and other riff-raff that land here either as vacationers , airBnB , or outsiders from neighboring communities etc. but thats life in America today.

[Pairadocs]

Another function of the nanny state paid for by the taxpayers???????

I believe "way back" when we built our home here, something like that did exist. I believe the max. speed for a G.C. was 19 mph, and, if you bought from the G.C. store owned by the Villages, we were told all their carts were mechanically altered for that top speed. At the time the sales person said that, we found it rather odd. Thinking, when you purchase an automobile, the dealer does not "fix it" so it will not do the maximum speed shown on the speedometer; it's the buyer's individual decision to speed, or not to speed. But I do believe the Villages made an effort to control G.C. speed. Of course it is ridiculous to think no one is able to increase the speed of a cart... reminds me of the argument that we can control criminals having access to firearms by making laws. There may STILL be a G.C. speed limit in the Villages, but you would never know it.

[dadcat]

Migratory bird season open, be careful flying near my house.

[Bogie Shooter]

So sorry you encountered such an A$$Hole he is the future of the Villages morons with toys showing totally how stupid they are. On the happy side most people here are #1 good Christian people
#2 responsible people with high standards of behavior
#3 home owners with pride in their homes
#4 people that enjoy all The Villages has to offer
And then we must contend with the druggies , drunks, show-offs and other riff-raff that land here either as vacationers , airBnB , or outsiders from neighboring communities etc. but thats life in America today.

And yesterday and the day before. It’s always been that way.

[JMintzer]

I do think rentals could be limited to monthly. Many communities have this in place. I agree the developer is unlikely to implement this.

Don't know why you posted this in response to my question...

It has nothing to do with what I asked...

[JMintzer]

Honestly, the seniors who want to carry guns likely haven’t waited till a law was passed. They are and will already be carrying them as they please. It’s kind of like not caring what others think or feel. What can really be done to them either way?

Are you asserting that they are violating the law, or that they already have a valid permit?

If they are breaking the law and get caught, they should be appropriately charged...

[JMintzer]

Me too!!!! Would do a jig to see them all go away!

You'd actually pay an extra $30-40K/year? I find that extremely hard to believe...

[JMintzer]

You must be a very kind person. Generous of soul and seeking reasons to absolve poor behavior. You seek the best in others.

The guy in the cart had ear buds and was purposely unaware of his surroundings and endangering others.

Major assumption you're making. The buds could have been simply sync'ed to his phone, so he could be "hands free" when receiving a call...

My guess was that his spouse was ill and he had to be "on call" in case of emergencies... (see how that works?)

[JMintzer]

Crime always is higher here during the high season. Period. Amen.

It's called statistics...

10% of 150K people is greater than 10% of 100K people...

[JMintzer]

Happens almost every day at my house. DW "shoots" a glance in my direction, and I thank my lucky stars that looks can't kill.

Been there, received them... :beer3:

[JMintzer]

A tight circle is a dot.
A postal kiosk is a place to buy postage stamps.
Where is it located? Your nearest post office.

You're welcome and I'm glad I could help.
������

Thank you for not saying "Google is your friend"...

[Normal]

Are you asserting that they are violating the law, or that they already have a valid permit?

If they are breaking the law and get caught, they should be appropriately charged...

No, I am saying they don’t care about the law and they already carry guns with or without a permit. I am saying that they don’t need a law to address their innocence.

Are you saying this doesn’t go on? If so, you should adjust your naivety meter.

[JMintzer]

No, I am saying they don’t care about the law and they already carry guns with or without a permit. I am saying that they don’t need a law to address their innocence.

Are you saying this doesn’t go on? If so, you should adjust your naivety meter.

Any facts to back that up?

If they are currently carrying illegally, and happen to show/use their gun, they are in for a world of unpleasantness...

[Taltarzac725]

Gun Thefts from Cars: The Largest Source of Stolen Guns | Everytown Research & Policy (https://everytownresearch.org/gun-thefts-from-cars-the-largest-source-of-stolen-guns/)

It looks like from a quick Google search that most criminal gangs get their guns by stealing them.

No, I am saying they don’t care about the law and they already carry guns with or without a permit. I am saying that they don’t need a law to address their innocence.

Are you saying this doesn’t go on? If so, you should adjust your naivety meter.

[Pres1939]

So instead of replying u attack for some bad placement of a finger on a keybord.

Id be happy paying FIVE times the taxes and amenity fees to get rid of seasonal renters, airbnb renters, and snowbirds. They are not true villagers..just tourists using up our facilities.

Drove out today…golf carts filled with breeders grandkids..some even driving. Go to DisneyWorld already!!!

Wow. A rare example of no civility in TV!!
Fortunately, most of us who are here all year appreciate our snowbird friends and their contributions to keeping TV a beautiful place to live.
The jerk on the golf cart could have been anyone. I like the ID tag idea, though. We should have a means to report Aggressive and dangerous drivers. My cell phone is always handy to take a mug shot picture. 👍🏻

[fdpaq0580]

Gun Thefts from Cars: The Largest Source of Stolen Guns | Everytown Research & Policy (https://everytownresearch.org/gun-thefts-from-cars-the-largest-source-of-stolen-guns/)

It looks like from a quick Google search that most criminal gangs get their guns by stealing them.

Probably from old people who "only wanted to scare him, officer. It never occurred to me that I might actually have to hurt anybody."

[jimjamuser]

Another function of the nanny state paid for by the taxpayers???????
We all pay our fair share of taxes. It is NOT unreasonable to expect government protection in the form of fair laws and fair Police. That IS reasonable. We have speed limits on roads for a reason......SAFETY. Having SOME golf carts with a top speed of 15 MPH and others "tricked-out" to go up to 40 MPH is an UNREASONABLE safety hazard in my opinion.
......There was an individual here on TOTV who BRAGGED that his golf cart was set up to do 45 MPH. That was within about the last 2 months.

[jimjamuser]

Sounds to me like the same function, just enforced. Exceeding the maximum speed on a golf cart is already a violation. Exceeding the speed limit is another violation. These are traffic violations, worthy of nothing more than a ticket. But if they're not enforced, there's no point in them existing.

I'm all for more efficient enforcement. Can't catch everyone - but for instance today -

I was coming past the Boone Gate on Paradise on my way to the golf cart bridge from my end of the neighborhood. I was behind three other golf carts. The speed limit after the intersection is posted as 15mph. We were all going around 17-18mph. And the guy directly in front of me shifted over to the other side of the road and passed the other TWO golf carts - very obviously going well past 25mph.

If there had been a police car at the fire department, the postal parking lot, or the rec center parking lot, they could've pulled that guy over and given him a ticket for a few different violations.

But there is never a police car at these locations, unless they're called to handle an existing problem.
That is a perfect example of what I have been talking about. A 15 MPH speed limit is exactly correct for that area due to how busy it is and the difficult visual problem caused by large shade from large oak trees. People coming out of the Postal station are especially oblivious to good driving and safety.

[jimjamuser]

Your position is fine. It sounded to me like the other poster was talking about law enforcement inspecting "all" golf carts. Let's see---60,000 carts in TV alone---what would that cost in time and $$$. Besides, one could jack up the speed, turn it back down for "inspection" then jack it back up---from what I understand, all it takes is a zip tie on the governor. Unless they schedule and co-ordinate 60,000 unannounced inspections---good luck with that.......
You give out tickets and ANNOUNCE that you are doing that in the paper and on the radio. Then you put the offenders' pictures in the unofficial website. After about one month you TRIPLE THE FINE. If the Police and TV Land managers were serious about SAFETY they could EASILY modify the behavior or TV Land residents.
.........A city or a place like TV Land can succeed at just about anything that it has the WILL and tenacity to ACCOMPLISH.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Any facts to back that up?

If they are currently carrying illegally, and happen to show/use their gun, they are in for a world of unpleasantness...

Why? Who and what army is going to check every single person who is known to possess a firearm, to make sure they have their permit on their person at the time?

The only time someone is in a world of unpleasantness is if they get CAUGHT. That means someone must point out to law enforcement that something is wrong, and it requires law enforcement to - (wait for it) -


enforce the law.

They already have proven either unwilling or unable to do that with any amount of consistency. I'm not going to hold my breath waiting for that to change.

[Pairadocs]

What is the definition of a "True Villager"?

And you actually think anyone believes that you would be "happy paying" close to $1000/month in amenity fees and $25-30K/year in taxes? :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

That's exactly what I thought when I read that person's post. If the average property taxes in the V's is the $3,200 it is said to be, and the average amenity fee is $170 ( average they say, that's not the highest of course), but even at that, can you imagine someone thinking nothing of paying FIVE TIMES THAT, FIVE TIMES the person said ! Seems like some of places around Orlando would be a better fit for someone having, and willing to spend, on something like not living in a community that allows renting. WOW is all I can say, FIVE times $3,200, FIVE time $170, as a famous politician once said, "pretty soon you'll be talking about REAL money" !

[Pairadocs]

You give out tickets and ANNOUNCE that you are doing that in the paper and on the radio. Then you put the offenders' pictures in the unofficial website. After about one month you TRIPLE THE FINE. If the Police and TV Land managers were serious about SAFETY they could EASILY modify the behavior or TV Land residents.
.........A city or a place like TV Land can succeed at just about anything that it has the WILL and tenacity to ACCOMPLISH.

Agree, "will" is the key of course. The outrageous speeding that goes on day and night, no one travels 35 mph. If they really wanted that, it could be accomplished and even possibly make a LOT of money for the 3 different sheriff's departments (for a while, word would get "around", and even all the service, delivery, and lawn care owners WOULD instruct their drives they do not tolerate speeding and reckless driving (such as driving IN the golf cart lanes !) It's really no different than the roots of the deterioration of some of our most magnificent big cities... if there was a WILL to do so, they could be saved, safe, and have very effective schools. Same applies to a little place like The V's, if the WILL existed, it could be accomplished !

[JMintzer]

Gun Thefts from Cars: The Largest Source of Stolen Guns | Everytown Research & Policy (https://everytownresearch.org/gun-thefts-from-cars-the-largest-source-of-stolen-guns/)

It looks like from a quick Google search that most criminal gangs get their guns by stealing them.

And this is news to you?

Criminals won't go to a gun store. They can't pass a background check because they're CRIMINALS!

[JMintzer]

Why? Who and what army is going to check every single person who is known to possess a firearm, to make sure they have their permit on their person at the time?

Exactly! Why didn't I think of that?... Oh, wait...

The only time someone is in a world of unpleasantness is if they get CAUGHT. That means someone must point out to law enforcement that something is wrong, and it requires law enforcement to - (wait for it) -


enforce the law.

Exactly! Why didn't I think of that?... Oh, wait...

They already have proven either unwilling or unable to do that with any amount of consistency. I'm not going to hold my breath waiting for that to change.

Third time's the charm... EXACTLY!

Why didn't I think of that?... Oh, wait, I've said the exact same thing, multiple times...

[JMintzer]

Probably from old people who "only wanted to scare him, officer. It never occurred to me that I might actually have to hurt anybody."

Huh?

[midiwiz]

I can hardly wait until I am old enough to be a 'true' Villager!

I am still trying to figure out what that really is, it can go several different ways with 90% of them I'd get kicked off this thing for saying it. It almost sounds like this place is an exclusive club even though it's really not. Nor is it a retirement community since over half the population works, so it becomes difficult to define the difference between a person that lives in TV vs. a 'true' villager.

Is there an official sign up and certification? a badge or sticker that must be displayed? does it require a frontal lobotomy? do I need a medical exam to be one? So many questions so little time...... what is one to do???

This could stifle my life until I find out!

[golfing eagles]

We all pay our fair share of taxes. It is NOT unreasonable to expect government protection in the form of fair laws and fair Police. That IS reasonable. We have speed limits on roads for a reason......SAFETY. Having SOME golf carts with a top speed of 15 MPH and others "tricked-out" to go up to 40 MPH is an UNREASONABLE safety hazard in my opinion.
......There was an individual here on TOTV who BRAGGED that his golf cart was set up to do 45 MPH. That was within about the last 2 months.

That is a perfect example of what I have been talking about. A 15 MPH speed limit is exactly correct for that area due to how busy it is and the difficult visual problem caused by large shade from large oak trees. People coming out of the Postal station are especially oblivious to good driving and safety.

You give out tickets and ANNOUNCE that you are doing that in the paper and on the radio. Then you put the offenders' pictures in the unofficial website. After about one month you TRIPLE THE FINE. If the Police and TV Land managers were serious about SAFETY they could EASILY modify the behavior or TV Land residents.
.........A city or a place like TV Land can succeed at just about anything that it has the WILL and tenacity to ACCOMPLISH.

Golf carts going 40 and 45 mph---I don't think so, at least I've never seen one go anywhere close to that. Once I thought one passed me going 30-32, just once in 9 years.

15 MPH speed limit ??????? What are you smoking and where do I get some????? If you can't handle a golf cart at 20 mph, get one of those lame tricycles and ride that, just stay out of everyone else's way. For safety???? Having an even bigger disparity of speed between different vehicles will make roads and MMPs LESS SAFE

Oh, yes, I forgot---more police, more tickets, more fines, more nanny state rules---no thank you.

[teamC]

This kind of behavior is way too common in The Villages, but this was the worst yet. Impatient golfers driving like maniacs WAY OVER the 20mph speed limit going to and from courses. Wreckless drunks seeing how close they can come to cyclists and walkers after happy hour at the clubs and music venues. Funny? not
(another FL law: minimum 3-feet of clearance between vehicle and cyclists and pedestrials - in most states it is 5 feet)

I feel, in the least, there should be identification on golf carts. Being anonymous brings out the worst in people with issues.[/QUOTE]
The Villages Golf Carts increases the speed on the carts they sell. They have the owner sign a waiver (that they created to protect themselves). It does nothing to protect us law abiding cart drivers..What can be done about it?????

[golfing eagles]

This kind of behavior is way too common in The Villages, but this was the worst yet. Impatient golfers driving like maniacs WAY OVER the 20mph speed limit going to and from courses. Wreckless drunks seeing how close they can come to cyclists and walkers after happy hour at the clubs and music venues. Funny? not
(another FL law: minimum 3-feet of clearance between vehicle and cyclists and pedestrials - in most states it is 5 feet)

I feel, in the least, there should be identification on golf carts. Being anonymous brings out the worst in people with issues.
[/QUOTE]

Sure, be happy to do so, AFTER they put identification on ALL bicycles and outfit ALL carts with go pro cameras so CYCLIST violations can be documented. I'm willing to bet the cyclists won't go for that./

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Golf carts going 40 and 45 mph---I don't think so, at least I've never seen one go anywhere close to that. Once I thought one passed me going 30-32, just once in 9 years.

15 MPH speed limit ??????? What are you smoking and where do I get some????? If you can't handle a golf cart at 20 mph, get one of those lame tricycles and ride that, just stay out of everyone else's way. For safety???? Having an even bigger disparity of speed between different vehicles will make roads and MMPs LESS SAFE

Oh, yes, I forgot---more police, more tickets, more fines, more nanny state rules---no thank you.

Some rentals at the Villages Golf Cart shop don't go faster than 15mph. I remember when we rented, and people were beeping at us to go faster. We didn't really understand why, because the rentals don't have speedometers so we had no idea how fast or slow we were going; we'd never driven a golf cart before.


The 15mph speed limit is appropriate for the area he is referring to, which is in response to my post, where I specified. On one side of Paradise is the tennis court, the postal center, the parking lots for the bacci and shuffleboard courts, and the corner of a road where traffic coming from left and right don't have a stop sign.

On the other side of the road is the a sand trap at the executive golf course, the fire department, the rec center, their parking lots, a church, and the other corner of the road where traffic coming from left and right don't have a stop sign.

It is a VERY busy section of road, with one lane in each direction, no bicycle or mmp lane, and no sidewalks for pedestrians.

The rest of the area has a 25mph speed limit. But you're supposed to slow down in this singular 1.5-block section of road.

[Whitley]

My guess is the rude golf cart rider is a snowbird who rents and brings his dog into Publix, allowing to put his but all over the carriage, THEN, and this is the worst part, he lets his dog pi$$ and $#1t over full time residents lawns. I bet ya.

[Whitley]

And this is news to you?

Criminals won't go to a gun store. They can't pass a background check because they're CRIMINALS!

It is both funny and sad that people think criminals will follow laws. It is in their name people. C.R.I.M.I.N.A.L..

[golfing eagles]

Some rentals at the Villages Golf Cart shop don't go faster than 15mph. I remember when we rented, and people were beeping at us to go faster. We didn't really understand why, because the rentals don't have speedometers so we had no idea how fast or slow we were going; we'd never driven a golf cart before.


The 15mph speed limit is appropriate for the area he is referring to, which is in response to my post, where I specified. On one side of Paradise is the tennis court, the postal center, the parking lots for the bacci and shuffleboard courts, and the corner of a road where traffic coming from left and right don't have a stop sign.

On the other side of the road is the a sand trap at the executive golf course, the fire department, the rec center, their parking lots, a church, and the other corner of the road where traffic coming from left and right don't have a stop sign.

It is a VERY busy section of road, with one lane in each direction, no bicycle or mmp lane, and no sidewalks for pedestrians.

The rest of the area has a 25mph speed limit. But you're supposed to slow down in this singular 1.5-block section of road.

While I respect your opinion, we have to agree to disagree. I know exactly the location you are referring to, and anyone with even minimal driving skills can safely operate a cart at 20 mph (at least that's my opinion :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:)

[brianherlihy]

i had a bike rider race me . i have a golf cart . he was mad he had to stop and put his feet down and he was rude to me soi got out of my cart. and he turned around and left. i would have went and fight with him

[Normal]

Golf carts symbolize free travel here in the Villages. An identity plate opens Pandora’s box on that freedom. It may seem to be an inert suggestion to have one, but strings connect easily to license fees, annual taxes, insurance mandate limits, regulation, random stops by enforcement etc.

It ain’t happening

[fdpaq0580]

i had a bike rider race me . i have a golf cart . he was mad he had to stop and put his feet down and he was rude to me soi got out of my cart. and he turned around and left. i would have went and fight with him

Why the race?
You win (?) and he must put his feet down to stop.
He is angry and said something rude.
You decide to go beat him up over some words?
He leaves to avoid physical attack.

Sorry, but IMHO, you are a danger to yourself. Bike riders can be very fit athletes and he just might have whipped your butt. You owe the bike rider a debt of gratitude for leaving before you committed assault and ended up in jail.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

While I respect your opinion, we have to agree to disagree. I know exactly the location you are referring to, and anyone with even minimal driving skills can safely operate a cart at 20 mph (at least that's my opinion :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:)

I'm not disputing that at all.

The point is - the posted speed limit there is 15mph
and
someone passing two golf carts by the fire department by crossing into the opposite lane, in a golf cart, going well over 25mph, is not safe. Or smart. Or reasonable. Or polite.

None of us should've been going more than 15mph. We were all going over 15mph, it was not reasonable for anyone to try to pass any of us, at all. The fact that he was going over 25mph means he was violating a number of laws, because his golf cart didn't have a plate on the back which means - he was operating an unregistered, uninsured, improperly equipped LSV, driving it on the wrong side of the road, and speeding. That all adds up to reckless endangerment too. All at the same time.

[Taltarzac725]

The governor keeps my golf cart from going any more than 20. Almost every cart behind me eventually passes me.



I'm not disputing that at all.

The point is - the posted speed limit there is 15mph
and
someone passing two golf carts by the fire department by crossing into the opposite lane, in a golf cart, going well over 25mph, is not safe. Or smart. Or reasonable. Or polite.

None of us should've been going more than 15mph. We were all going over 15mph, it was not reasonable for anyone to try to pass any of us, at all. The fact that he was going over 25mph means he was violating a number of laws, because his golf cart didn't have a plate on the back which means - he was operating an unregistered, uninsured, improperly equipped LSV, driving it on the wrong side of the road, and speeding. That all adds up to reckless endangerment too. All at the same time.

[Bilyclub]

I am still trying to figure out what that really is, it can go several different ways with 90% of them I'd get kicked off this thing for saying it. It almost sounds like this place is an exclusive club even though it's really not. Nor is it a retirement community since over half the population works, so it becomes difficult to define the difference between a person that lives in TV vs. a 'true' villager.

Is there an official sign up and certification? a badge or sticker that must be displayed? does it require a frontal lobotomy? do I need a medical exam to be one? So many questions so little time...... what is one to do???

This could stifle my life until I find out!


A claim like this needs some actual documentation to back it up.

[Bill14564]

The governor keeps my golf cart from going any more than 20. Almost every cart behind me eventually passes me.

Not mine. I would be right there with you at 20mph.

Looks like I have another skill to learn - the human radar gun. I can tell what is faster or slower than me, but I can't come close to the nailing "well over 25mph" or any of the other numbers I've seen in various threads.

[golfing eagles]

I'm not disputing that at all.

The point is - the posted speed limit there is 15mph
and
someone passing two golf carts by the fire department by crossing into the opposite lane, in a golf cart, going well over 25mph, is not safe. Or smart. Or reasonable. Or polite.

None of us should've been going more than 15mph. We were all going over 15mph, it was not reasonable for anyone to try to pass any of us, at all. The fact that he was going over 25mph means he was violating a number of laws, because his golf cart didn't have a plate on the back which means - he was operating an unregistered, uninsured, improperly equipped LSV, driving it on the wrong side of the road, and speeding. That all adds up to reckless endangerment too. All at the same time.

Sorry, didn’t realize it was POSTED at 15. Of course, that’s another issue in and of itself

[Normal]

Sorry, didn’t realize it was POSTED at 15. Of course, that’s another issue in and of itself

Let’s get reasonable here. Almost all golf cart drivers exceed the speed limits and many don’t even have a speedometer in them! In fact, most have violated about every traffic rule possible from oblivious rolling stops to driving off pathways to turn around. They are the quick convenience tool without the responsibility factor to get from point A to point B without expelling much effort. Seat belts are in some but rarely used. I would measure less than one percent are street legal anyway (the true gray line of law). The OP merely witnessed a person expressing themselves in a ludicrous manor. Shoot, I see that on the television at any given moment.

[Bogie Shooter]

i had a bike rider race me . i have a golf cart . he was mad he had to stop and put his feet down and he was rude to me soi got out of my cart. and he turned around and left. i would have went and fight with him

Where is the intelligence in this proposed action?

[fdpaq0580]

Where is the intelligence in this proposed action?

The bike rider left before he got mugged by the goon?

[Laker14]

Let’s get reasonable here. Almost all golf cart drivers exceed the speed limits and many don’t even have a speedometer in them! In fact, most have violated about every traffic rule possible from oblivious rolling stops to driving off pathways to turn around. They are the quick convenience tool without the responsibility factor to get from point A to point B without expelling much effort. Seat belts are in some but rarely used. I would measure less than one percent are street legal anyway (the true gray line of law). The OP merely witnessed a person expressing themselves in a ludicrous manor. Shoot, I see that on the television at any given moment.

Driving off the pathway to turn around is illegal?

[tophcfa]

Let’s get reasonable here. Almost all golf cart drivers exceed the speed limits and many don’t even have a speedometer in them!

Neither of our golf carts have speedometers and both are set to max out at 20 MPH, so we don’t need them. We often get passed, but it’s no big deal. What we find dangerous are the people that drive way below the speed limit causing a back up behind them resulting in frustrated drivers taking risks to try and get by them. Then some of these people appear to finally realize their carts can go faster right when somebody tries to get around them, blocking them only to slow back down again when the passing attempt fails.

We have dubbed these folks “Multi Modal Path Hemorrhoids”, because they obstruct normal movement and are a pain in the a$$.

[fdpaq0580]

The governor keeps my golf cart from going any more than 20. Almost every cart behind me eventually passes me.

Who keeps you from speeding? The GOVERNOR? I admit I am impressed, but who would have the nuggets speed by the GOVERNOR?

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Who keeps you from speeding? The GOVERNOR? I admit I am impressed, but who would have the nuggets speed by the GOVERNOR?

Not sure if you're being sarcastic or serious so just in case (and for those who are new to golf cart living):

The governor of a golf cart is a part of the vehicle that sets the maximum speed. It's a mechanical thingamabob (technical term).

[fdpaq0580]

Not sure if you're being sarcastic or serious so just in case (and for those who are new to golf cart living):

The governor of a golf cart is a part of the vehicle that sets the maximum speed. It's a mechanical thingamabob (technical term).

(Pssst! Just between us, yes, I was just making a little joke. Very little, it seems.
But you are fight not to leave things to chance. Just incase someone might not know. )

[Velvet]

Another warning, neighbor who recently had brain surgery is out driving his golf cart again with little dog in his lap this time.

[tophcfa]

Another warning, neighbor who recently had brain surgery is out driving his golf cart again with little dog in his lap this time.

Hope he doesn’t injure the dog!

[wlasowicz]

There are apps on your phone like maps to give you an idea of your speed. Maybe the sheriff should random undercover in a golf cart radar traps We'll see how many stay closer to that 20 mile mark

[golfing eagles]

There are apps on your phone like maps to give you an idea of your speed. Maybe the sheriff should random undercover in a golf cart radar traps We'll see how many stay closer to that 20 mile mark

Absolutely!!!!! God forbid someone goes 21 mph in a golf cart. I think we should add the death penalty if convicted :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[Two Bills]

Another warning, neighbor who recently had brain surgery is out driving his golf cart again with little dog in his lap this time.

Maybe the dog drives the man home from the pub.:shrug:

[fdpaq0580]

Absolutely!!!!! God forbid someone goes 21 mph in a golf cart. I think we should add the death penalty if convicted :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Yes! Yes! Now you're talking! At last, someone is making sen ...
Oh. You were just being sarcastic, huh.

[DonH57]

Maybe the dog drives the man home from the pub.:shrug:

Our dog used.to but he had a shorter fuse than I !

[fdpaq0580]

Our dog used.to but he had a shorter fuse than I !

That is not his fuse! Quit trying to light it! No wonder Fido explodes. Sheesh!

[DonH57]

That is not his fuse! Quit trying to light it! No wonder Fido explodes. Sheesh!

ROFLMAO. Good one but I wasn't refering to that! LOL

[fdpaq0580]

ROFLMAO. Good one but I wasn't refering to that! LOL

My stars and garters! I was really worried for that pooch. Glad it was only a simple misunderstanding.

[DonH57]

My stars and garters! I was really worried for that pooch. Glad it was only a simple misunderstanding.

He was my designated driver. We were fortunate he gave us 15 years.

[fdpaq0580]

He was my designated driver. We were fortunate he gave us 15 years.

It is never easy to say goodbye to a friend. Be thankful always for the good times you shared.

[Funkman]

Am I the only person who pulls over safely or slows down and waves by me, faster drivers, allowing them to pass, rather than causing a back up of carts behind me?

Maybe I'm wrong but I feel this is a much better idea than wanting police to be taken off the streets and diverting them from doing real police work.

[kkingston57]

Soinds like some entitled snowbird family member.

They will be gone next week

Entitled snowbird? Did you check his registration and/or ID?

[kkingston57]

Owner, renter, snowbird, all residents. This bias exists every where and is stupid. I have no objection to identifying golf carts and think it is a good idea. They can cause a lot of damage to a biker and recently an accident occurred near my home where a biker lost his life to a golf cart hit. Very sad.

ID'ing a golf cart is only the 1st step. Almost impossible to do anything against road ragers when there is not contact with a person or another vehicle. In order to do anything a person would need to press charges and prove the charges against the road rager. At a minimum probably would need a video and an independent witness to try and prove the person was a road rager. Even if you win, person would probably get a fine and/or a ticket. Lastly this probably would not prevent this from happening again.

[kkingston57]

Absolutely!!!!! God forbid someone goes 21 mph in a golf cart. I think we should add the death penalty if convicted :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Downhill 21 MPH might get you a ticket. Ha Ha

[golfing eagles]

Downhill 21 MPH might get you a ticket. Ha Ha

Not likely. Besides, I think my cart goes slower downhill, just like most putts on the greens here.

[JMintzer]

Am I the only person who pulls over safely or slows down and waves by me, faster drivers, allowing them to pass, rather than causing a back up of carts behind me?

Maybe I'm wrong but I feel this is a much better idea than wanting police to be taken off the streets and diverting them from doing real police work.

Sadly, you're one of the few "polite" drivers...

[unialimon]

So if I have an accident and insurance refuses 9 (or not) can I sue the The Villages Golf Cars for selling me a cart that goes over the speed limit? Wondering.

[kcrazorbackfan]

Riding my bike I saw a guy making tight circles on his golf cart in front of a postal kiosk. He stopped so I thought it was OK to pass. Without looking he started another loop and almost hit me.

I yelled “WATCH OUT.” Looking back I said “be more careful around people.” The guy replied FU, the long version. That's all I said, and I made no other reply.

I continued on my journey to have the guy follow me for about two miles (roughly 9 minutes). Intimidating me? In Florida, that’s “Road Rage.”

Finally he passed, yelling something out the side of his golf cart (incomprehensible over the roar of his englne), but then after his one-finger salute out the back, I knew it was not an apology. Then noticed he was wearing headphones (another FL illegal).

This kind of behavior is way too common in The Villages, but this was the worst yet. Impatient golfers driving like maniacs way over the 20mph speed limit going to and from courses. Wreckless drunks seeing how close they can come to cyclists and walkers after happy hour at the clubs and music venues. Funny? not
(another FL law: minimum 3-feet of clearance between vehicle and cyclists and pedestrials - most states are 5)

I think in the least there should be identification on golf carts. Being anonymous brings out the worst in people with issues.

Most carts have some kind of goofy license plate or flag or something on it that is easy to identify, but, do you really think that people, that are fearful for their lives, will notice any kind of identification on a cart?

[Bilyclub]

So if I have an accident and insurance refuses 9 (or not) can I sue the The Villages Golf Cars for selling me a cart that goes over the speed limit? Wondering.

No. They usually have you sign a release saying you wanted the speed turned up. The governors on gas carts are mechanical and it is not an exact science like the controller on the new electrics.

[shut the front door]

OH look! Another newb moving in and wanting to change things. That never happens.

[Indydealmaker]

So if I have an accident and insurance refuses 9 (or not) can I sue the The Villages Golf Cars for selling me a cart that goes over the speed limit? Wondering.

The Villages Golf Carts have a policy of automatically resetting the governor on any illegally modified carts. Doubt they would sell one.

[Velvet]

I got my new cart from Villages Golf Carts 1 year ago. If I press the accelerator to the floor, it’ll go 20 flat, 22 downhill, 18 uphill or 16 on very steep hill.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

I brought my Club Car in to be serviced last year, and asked about the speed. It had previously gone up to 25, then one day I heard a loud clicking sound. After that it wouldn't go over 19. They said they could bump it to 20 but they were only authorized to bump Yamahas higher than 20. I don't remember if they said they could get it to 23 or 24, but it was one of the two. And they were legally allowed to do that. But only with Yamahas.

[GoldenBoy]

With all of the carry permits currently owned, why isn't it a problem now?

Training would be my guess. New carry law does not require training to carry.

[GoldenBoy]

I can’t wait for Open Carry July 1st

Not open carry. It is permitless concealed carry.

[Pairadocs]

It's called statistics...

10% of 150K people is greater than 10% of 100K people...

Right ! It is amazing isn't it, according to the census stats (who knows if correct), but the average educational level of residents of the villages appears to be slightly higher than the "average". Before people get all outraged, this just seems to show there are more high school and college grads than the nation's "average". So one would think, in general, more analytical thinking, exactly as you pointed out, the ability to realize as the number of individuals in ANY one location goes UP, all other events, rather viewed as positive or negative, will increase. So when population is 150K, just as you pointed out, the number of auto accidents to "wear and tear' on golf courses will increase ! Yes, just amazing the conclusions based on emotions sometimes. Simple things like you pointed out... a 5th grade math skill, percentages !

[Pairadocs]

Not sure if you're being sarcastic or serious so just in case (and for those who are new to golf cart living):

The governor of a golf cart is a part of the vehicle that sets the maximum speed. It's a mechanical thingamabob (technical term).

LOL, you are correct, I would bet 1K that there ARE folks here who believe DeSantis can, and is, responsible for golf cart speeds... that's why this site has some smiles everyday, along with some VERY appreciated help and useful information !

[JMintzer]

Training would be my guess. New carry law does not require training to carry.

Maybe, but I'd wager not... Have you taken the CCW course? It's pretty basic...

[ncic50]

At approximately 11:08 AM, today, Friday, May 19, 2023, I was travelling northbound on the Morse Rd golf cart path. I drove onto the path from Deskin Lane and stopped at the STOP Sign at the Burnsed Community Center entrance. No sooner did I stop when a blue & black Yamaha golf cart flew by me ( approx speed 20 mph) going northbound in the southbound lane. He totally disregarded the stop sign and put his and other lifes in peril. His reckless operation was for naught as I caught up to him on the Morse trail at the Hillborough intersection. I hurriedly took a picture of this morron. If you see this guy doing similar reckless driving please try to get a better picture and post or report him to the Sumter County Sheriffs Office. 98509

[DonH57]

At approximately 11:08 AM, today, Friday, May 19, 2023, I was travelling northbound on the Morse Rd golf cart path. I drove onto the path from Deskin Lane and stopped at the STOP Sign at the Burnsed Community Center entrance. No sooner did I stop when a blue & black Yamaha golf cart flew by me ( approx speed 20 mph) going northbound in the southbound lane. He totally disregarded the stop sign and put his and other lifes in peril. His reckless operation was for naught as I caught up to him on the Morse trail at the Hillborough intersection. I hurriedly took a picture of this morron. If you see this guy doing similar reckless driving please try to get a better picture and post or report him to the Sumter County Sheriffs Office. 98509

Good luck with that and I mean it respectfully, They wouldn't have any better luck finding that clown if they had to. One day I was heading on the MMP headed toward spanish springs coming up on the intersection of El Camino by Freedom Point at the stop sign. The jerk wad behind me slams on his brakes, goes around me and yells you got the green light moron nearly getting clipped by the car turning right into Freedom Point. Gives me the one finger salute yelling I'm the the ahole! Welcome to the Villages. Drive defensively! :shocked: