This could generate some interesting thoughts

[Pairadocs]

A penny for your thoughts on the latest "leak" of classified intelligence information that effects our allies as well as us ! What do you think of the explanation that's it's actually a low ranking air force reserve member, more focused on on line gaming with teens than with his heavy responsibility by having access to our most sensitive intel ? A paid spy ? An immature air force member with "over his head" responsibilities ? A low lying fruit scapegoat for something even more complicated and covert than we can imagine ?

[retiredguy123]

Too much information is classified, and too many people have access to it. It has been that way for more than 50 years, and I don't know of any serious efforts to change the system. I had a SECRET clearance for 35 years, but I never really needed it. They just gave it to me automatically. Don't expect any changes to occur.

[Keefelane66]

Only speculation from news reports from various sources and interviews with fellow DISCORD identified as user 1 who allerted FBI of his identity.

Hmm, let’s see:

White Christian male?

Into guns?

Lives with mom?

Hints of narcissism?

Idealized violence?

Nope, nothing to see here.

[npwalters]

A low lying fruit scapegoat for something even more complicated and covert than we can imagine ?

Having been a unit that dealt with classified info for many years I find the current explanation almost incomprehensible. One of the fundamentals of handling classified info is "need to know". I was in an aviation test unit. If I were to try to access information on a submarine - for instance - I would be denied access because I had no need to know.

How this very low level airman could have access to the items that were leaked without some cooperation at a much higher level escapes me.

[alwann]

And now, this:
Authorities recently arrested a Tennessee Air National Guard service member after he reportedly sought work as a hitman on a fake website known to lure would-be criminals.

FBI agents earlier this month arrested Josiah Ernesto Garcia, 21, who allegedly attempted to become a hired killer with the parody website rentahitman.com, according to a criminal complaint filed in a Tennessee district court.

[sail33or]

It is not so much the details of the leak but the actual true information revealed. It reveals the Defense Secretary, General Miley and the Pentagon Spokesman are blatant liars. We cannot trust anything that comes out of their mouths.

[LuvNH]

Interesting that he is not being Court Marshalled, but going fhrough the civilian court system.

[Two Bills]

It is not so much the details of the leak but the actual true information revealed. It reveals the Defense Secretary, General Miley and the Pentagon Spokesman are blatant liars. We cannot trust anything that comes out of their mouths.

What is true in the leak?
Even the Russians regard it with skepticism.
What would you expect them to disclose?
Latest intelligence, battle plans, nuclear submarine locations etc. etc.

[dewilson58]

Interesting that he is not being Court Marshalled, but going fhrough the civilian court system.

Probably both.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Assuming he truly did leak classified info, he did so on an unsecured resource. Anyone can access even private Discord servers with an invite, and since most gamers don't use their real names, it takes little effort to get that invite. Once it's posted, people showing up after the fact can access the scroll-back.

Innocent til proven guilty and all that. But the crime, whether he did it or not, is deserving of punishment. It doesn't matter what classified docs were leaked. It doesn't matter that they weren't really a big deal and probably shouldn't have been classified. There is such a thing as the "rule of law." There is also such a thing as "National Security."

If you start saying "well he was only a kid" or "it's just a gamer chat room" or "it's only random info that shouldn't be classified" then you disrespect everything the military stands for. Their JOB is to protect our country. That includes its secrets, whether they're "big" secrets or "no one cares" secrets. If they refuse to do even that one thing, then they need to be punished.

IF he did it, he should get jail time. And a dishonorable discharge. And banned from using the internet until such time as the judge can determine he's learned his lesson in the topic of "privileged information."

[Number 10 GI]

Whether he faces a federal court or a military court marshal depends on where and when he obtain the information. I believe he is a low level government employee but no mention of his specialty in the Air National Guard. If it was through his government job that he obtained and released the classified documents then the Air Guard would not have jurisdiction. If he obtained the information while doing his monthly or summer training sessions then the Air Guard would have authority.
If he is convicted by a federal court, then he will be discharged from military through administrative actions or a court martial.

[Number 10 GI]

I would like to know how he accessed this kind of information. When I was in the Army I worked as a classified document clerk during my first enlistment. Initially I held a Secret security clearance but later I had to undergo a background investigation for a Top Secret clearance. The reason was that the Army command I worked in used Top Secret crypto material and I had to control accountability, dissemination and destruction of it when required. However, I didn't have and wasn't authorized access to all Top Secret material because I didn't have a Need To Know. I was only 19 years old when I got the Top Secret clearance.
I would like to know how he was able to have access to the information that was released.
When classified information is released illegally it can result in the disclosure of where and from whom the information was obtained. If a certain piece of information is only known to limited number of people then the search for the informant is narrowed drastically. There have been instances where everyone who was knowledgeable of the classified information leaked was executed to ensure they got the guilty person.

[Pairadocs]

Too much information is classified, and too many people have access to it. It has been that way for more than 50 years, and I don't know of any serious efforts to change the system. I had a SECRET clearance for 35 years, but I never really needed it. They just gave it to me automatically. Don't expect any changes to occur.

From what I can research seems you are spot on. Apparently (and giving consideration to the differences in size and population) no other country comes close to ours in issuing secret, top secret, etc. privileges. An FBI agent on the news said same as you experienced, had highest classification which was top secret plus (some additional letters I don't remember) and said retired without even once needing the designation !

[Pairadocs]

Only speculation from news reports from various sources and interviews with fellow DISCORD identified as user 1 who allerted FBI of his identity.

Hmm, let’s see:

White Christian male?

Into guns?

Lives with mom?

Hints of narcissism?

Idealized violence?

Nope, nothing to see here.

Interesting, missed all of those, maybe more forth coming on nightly news today. Only info I could find seemed to be he lives with both parents, not just his mother, but more important, I wonder if the Air Force is aware of all this, that he is taken with violence, narcissistic, he's obviously white, could see that at arraignment today, but most of all wonder if Air Force administrative levels knew of his fascination with teen on line groups like DISCORD ? What a mess is in my thoughts !

[Pairadocs]

A low lying fruit scapegoat for something even more complicated and covert than we can imagine ?

Having been a unit that dealt with classified info for many years I find the current explanation almost incomprehensible. One of the fundamentals of handling classified info is "need to know". I was in an aviation test unit. If I were to try to access information on a submarine - for instance - I would be denied access because I had no need to know.

How this very low level airman could have access to the items that were leaked without some cooperation at a much higher level escapes me.

Well, having been in research for a portion of my career, I am always examining such explanations, that was one of my "theories", and you added some "meat" to that bone ! It just seemed TOO SIMPLISTIC to me, just some "kids", and an "immature" adult who was just careless... hummmmm:shocked:

[Number 10 GI]

Too much information is classified, and too many people have access to it. It has been that way for more than 50 years, and I don't know of any serious efforts to change the system. I had a SECRET clearance for 35 years, but I never really needed it. They just gave it to me automatically. Don't expect any changes to occur.

What kind of work did you do? Many people in the military are given security clearances because of the nature of their work may put them in the position where they will have to safeguard classified information or equipment. There are classified communications codes that are used at the squad level in military units that a number of people will need to perform the mission. Therefor a security clearance is required to possess and use those codes.

I worked with a private security company that provided armed and unarmed guards to the government. I put the bid together for the contract and oversaw our on site manager. One of the contracts was providing security for classified work at a research facility. Even the though guards and supervisors never had access to the material, they still had to have a clearance in the chance they had to enter the classified area of facility due to an emergency or unauthorized intrusion. I worked a few hundred miles away from the site at the home office, but because I did on site performance inspections of our guard personnel, I was required to have a valid security clearance. If I remember correctly, it was a Top Secret clearance. Even though I had a clearance I didn't have a Need To Know for access to it.

[Pairadocs]

And now, this:
Authorities recently arrested a Tennessee Air National Guard service member after he reportedly sought work as a hitman on a fake website known to lure would-be criminals.

FBI agents earlier this month arrested Josiah Ernesto Garcia, 21, who allegedly attempted to become a hired killer with the parody website rentahitman.com, according to a criminal complaint filed in a Tennessee district court.

Good grief, what's next on the platter ? Many locations are having such great difficulty hiring police, will we finally get to the point where we intentionally discontinue background checks so we can freely hire ex-convicts ? That's so "far out", and yet, I wonder what people will do next ?

[Pairadocs]

It is not so much the details of the leak but the actual true information revealed. It reveals the Defense Secretary, General Miley and the Pentagon Spokesman are blatant liars. We cannot trust anything that comes out of their mouths.

Sadly have to agree, I think we had PLENTY of hints that both are (perhaps even pathological ?) liars, or maybe just very weak men with no actual moral grounding ? What is called in philosophy, logic, and analysis classes as "situational ethics", their "ethics" rest on a foundation of what is best given the situation a the time ( meaning best FOR THEM) at any one point in time ?

[Pairadocs]

Interesting that he is not being Court Marshalled, but going fhrough the civilian court system.

Isn't it possible that could still be ahead at some future point ?

[CODYCAT]

A penny for your thoughts on the latest "leak" of classified intelligence information that effects our allies as well as us ! What do you think of the explanation that's it's actually a low ranking air force reserve member, more focused on on line gaming with teens than with his heavy responsibility by having access to our most sensitive intel ? A paid spy ? An immature air force member with "over his head" responsibilities ? A low lying fruit scapegoat for something even more complicated and covert than we can imagine ?

It would be interesting to go into the future and see where this period in history has taken us. A lot of people would probably have acted differently now. Past history defines the future.

[Pairadocs]

Probably both.

That was my thought, that it might be in the future. Going to be quite a circus, and probably never know the "rest of the story" ! At first glance, he seems a kind of Oswald type figure, a bit immature, a bit confused, kind of "blows in the wind" type that makes a perfect, uncomplicated, explanation so people just "move on" to the next sound bank ? I'm getting to be way too curious perhaps, will get the label "conspiracy nut" I'm sure !

[Pairadocs]

I would like to know how he accessed this kind of information. When I was in the Army I worked as a classified document clerk during my first enlistment. Initially I held a Secret security clearance but later I had to undergo a background investigation for a Top Secret clearance. The reason was that the Army command I worked in used Top Secret crypto material and I had to control accountability, dissemination and destruction of it when required. However, I didn't have and wasn't authorized access to all Top Secret material because I didn't have a Need To Know. I was only 19 years old when I got the Top Secret clearance.
I would like to know how he was able to have access to the information that was released.
When classified information is released illegally it can result in the disclosure of where and from whom the information was obtained. If a certain piece of information is only known to limited number of people then the search for the informant is narrowed drastically. There have been instances where everyone who was knowledgeable of the classified information leaked was executed to ensure they got the guilty person.

Yes, a few news reports have expressed that same worry, so very dangerous to the lives of those who provide the intel. Others say, nothing really that important in the leaked/posted materials.

[Taltarzac725]

Who is Jack Teixeira, who allegedly disclosed classified information for months? : NPR (https://www.npr.org/2023/04/14/1169952771/jack-teixeira-background-pentagon-document-leak)

They should be a whole lot more careful about whom they let around classified materials. And put in a lot more checks-and-balances.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Interesting, missed all of those, maybe more forth coming on nightly news today. Only info I could find seemed to be he lives with both parents, not just his mother, but more important, I wonder if the Air Force is aware of all this, that he is taken with violence, narcissistic, he's obviously white, could see that at arraignment today, but most of all wonder if Air Force administrative levels knew of his fascination with teen on line groups like DISCORD ? What a mess is in my thoughts !

Discord isn't a "teen on line group." It's a chat network for gamers, though some businesses, politicians, religious organizations, and journalists use it as well. I'm a member of one of the game servers, because I've been playing that game for 20 years. You don't need to be a teen to play video games.

The Discord server he was on, was one of the hundreds of game servers available.

[CoachKandSportsguy]

do you ever remembering a stupid college age kid? I do, and did some stupid things which may have gotten me killed, or other poor outcomes. . . at 21 you aren't much more than a big teenager, and in today's world, big teenagers still have small brains. . and big egos. . . . and issues of independence acceptance, etc. .

Its more about who has clearance and vetting process and proper network/system access. . I blame mgmt not the big teenager. .

starting July as a former finance guy

[Stu from NYC]

do you ever remembering a stupid college age kid? I do, and did some stupid things which may have gotten me killed, or other poor outcomes. . . at 21 you aren't much more than a big teenager, and in today's world, big teenagers still have small brains. . and big egos. . . . and issues of independence acceptance, etc. .

Its more about who has clearance and vetting process and proper network/system access. . I blame mgmt not the big teenager. .

starting July as a former finance guy

Thinking that both the kid and whoever runs this system deserve the blame. We make way to much top secret so the meaning of top secret does not mean what it used to.

IMHO top secret is a way to hide lots of things from us.

[Number 10 GI]

do you ever remembering a stupid college age kid? I do, and did some stupid things which may have gotten me killed, or other poor outcomes. . . at 21 you aren't much more than a big teenager, and in today's world, big teenagers still have small brains. . and big egos. . . . and issues of independence acceptance, etc. .

Its more about who has clearance and vetting process and proper network/system access. . I blame mgmt not the big teenager. .

starting July as a former finance guy

There is no excuse for the "big teenager's" actions, he knew what he was doing was illegal. It is explained very clearly to you when you are granted a security clearance what your responsibilities are towards safeguarding information and the ramifications if you don't.
We have had 19 and 20 year olds making life and death decision in the middle east for a few decades now so he has no excuse for his actions.
The vetting process for a security clearance consists of police record checks, birth records, interviews with people that know the person being investigated and the person being investigated. If there is no criminal record, use of drugs, heavy financial indebtedness, mental health issues or other problems usually a security clearance is granted. What more is there to check? Maybe consulting with a fortune teller?

[mtdjed]

There is no excuse for the "big teenager's" actions, he knew what he was doing was illegal. It is explained very clearly to you when you are granted a security clearance what your responsibilities are towards safeguarding information and the ramifications if you don't.
We have had 19 and 20 year olds making life and death decision in the middle east for a few decades now so he has no excuse for his actions.
The vetting process for a security clearance consists of police record checks, birth records, interviews with people that know the person being investigated and the person being investigated. If there is no criminal record, use of drugs, heavy financial indebtedness, mental health issues or other problems usually a security clearance is granted. What more is there to check? Maybe consulting with a fortune teller?
There are many levels of employees getting access to classified secret data. Some may type the data, store the data etc. All who have access should have been vetted and trained as to how to handle the data. Further, they should be fully trained as to the penalties associated with mishandling such data.

Hopefully, the last subject was not ignored. I had no doubt that if I mishandled such data that the penalties were severe

[Boffin]

A penny for your thoughts on the latest "leak" of classified intelligence information that effects our allies as well as us ! What do you think of the explanation that's it's actually a low ranking air force reserve member, more focused on on line gaming with teens than with his heavy responsibility by having access to our most sensitive intel ? A paid spy ? An immature air force member with "over his head" responsibilities ? A low lying fruit scapegoat for something even more complicated and covert than we can imagine ?
The information revealed is definitely a serious concern. However, a bigger concern may be the sources and methods revealed by that information.

[CoachKandSportsguy]

Thinking that both the kid and whoever runs this system deserve the blame. We make way to much top secret so the meaning of top secret does not mean what it used to.

IMHO top secret is a way to hide lots of things from us.

I agree and since i work in mgmt, and actually assign data and documents permission as part of my job on two different platforms, i see the flaws in document permissioning system. On the documents platform, there are 40 different permission settings possible. A bit overengineered, yes, but the additional complexity requires a dedicated librarian to avoid the chaos created by individuals filing documents from their point of view, versus a standardized and constantly monitored system. That's why physical libraries have librarians doing the same job, but the electronic world requires much more complex monitoring and permissioning

So that's where i lay the blame, as you can train humans but human behavior is much more creative and not bounded by any laws of nature, so good training gets you 95+% of the way to your goal. The final 5% is the document management, proper document permissioning, and constant monitoring and logging of all activity against the permissions.

I see cases where libraries get chaotic without a librarian, without constant monitoring and cleanup, and that makes the permissioning a spaghetti nightmare. . that's where the mgmt blame lies. . They assigned me a librarian job as well, and i said no way, that's a full time job, and our document library is already out of control. . . that's where the tediocrity comes in.

You can't always default to everyone follows the training, because there are humans involved. . .

[Garywt]

A penny for your thoughts on the latest "leak" of classified intelligence information that effects our allies as well as us ! What do you think of the explanation that's it's actually a low ranking air force reserve member, more focused on on line gaming with teens than with his heavy responsibility by having access to our most sensitive intel ? A paid spy ? An immature air force member with "over his head" responsibilities ? A low lying fruit scapegoat for something even more complicated and covert than we can imagine ?

I have no idea what you are talking about so you can keep your penny.

[Keefelane66]

When you enter the Military you sign your life away when taking pledge
Simply put “ a note from mommy can't help you any longer”
The Oath of Enlistment (for enlisted):
"I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."
The UCMJ is made up of 146 articles that cover a wide range of offenses and punishments. Some of the more common offenses covered by the UCMJ include adultery, assault, disobeying orders, and desertion. A number of articles also deal with specific offenses such as espionage and treason. Each violation has a corresponding punishment, ranging from a minor reprimand to more serious consequences. UCMJ is posted at every military base and is read and explained during boot camp orientation! I remember thinking auh Sh#t what did I get myself into.

The 10 commandments don't even come close.

[Sabella]

Believe the FBI , THE NEWS MEDIA, our government?

[maggie1]

do you ever remembering a stupid college age kid? I do, and did some stupid things which may have gotten me killed, or other poor outcomes. . . at 21 you aren't much more than a big teenager, and in today's world, big teenagers still have small brains. . and big egos. . . . and issues of independence acceptance, etc. .

Its more about who has clearance and vetting process and proper network/system access. . I blame mgmt not the big teenager. .

starting July as a former finance guy

I can't go along with that line of thinking. He signed an agreement for his top-secret clearance designation acknowledging that any divulgence of secret information could result in severe consequences. He may be young and immature, but that doesn't excuse his actions. In WWII there was a saying that was posted at just about every location, and I mean every location - buildings, telephone poles, you name it "Loose Lips Sink Ships" We don't have a clue what damage has been done by his "immaturity" but our credibility with other countries has been severely damaged.

[Skunky1]

The secrets, no matter what level, should be protected at the source. Our government seems to have a problem knowing where our secret documents are and who is reading them!

[nsantelli]

Let's add some clarity. This gentleman was in the Massachusetts Air National Guard. That means he was actually on military duty only one weekend a month +2 weeks during the summer. However, he was also a civilian employee of the National Guard. His specialty was cyber security. Back when I was in the guard, it was standard for you to wear your military uniform during the week even though technically you were a civilian. If you committed any violation of law during this time you were subject to civilian law, not the UCMJ (Uniform Code of Military Justice).

[Worldseries27]

do you ever remembering a stupid college age kid? I do, and did some stupid things which may have gotten me killed, or other poor outcomes. . . At 21 you aren't much more than a big teenager, and in today's world, big teenagers still have small brains. . And big egos. . . . And issues of independence acceptance, etc. .

Its more about who has clearance and vetting process and proper network/system access. . I blame mgmt not the big teenager. .

Starting july as a former finance guy
so a fun loving gamer lights the match and the political fire storm will end the careers of many air force officers and ultimately the secretary of defense. The congressional committees, investigations, media will be out for blood. This fun loving gamer exposed our surveillance capabilities for our adversaries to counter and evade. Putin can now pound the table with proof that we have american assets inside ukraine and threathen us some more with his nuclear weaponry.
The gamer will get his day in court. If convicted he is a traitor.

[Marine1974]

A penny for your thoughts on the latest "leak" of classified intelligence information that affects our allies as well as us ! What do you think of the explanation that's it's actually a low ranking air force reserve member, more focused on on line gaming with teens than with his heavy responsibility by having access to our most sensitive intel ? A paid spy ? An immature air force member with "over his head" responsibilities ? A low lying fruit scapegoat for something even more complicated and covert than we can imagine ?
What did President Kennedy say about secrets , getting rid of the. CIA and dark forces in our government ( deep state , “ secrets in an open and free society are repugnant “

[MandoMan]

Whether he faces a federal court or a military court marshal depends on where and when he obtain the information. I believe he is a low level government employee but no mention of his specialty in the Air National Guard. If it was through his government job that he obtained and released the classified documents then the Air Guard would not have jurisdiction. If he obtained the information while doing his monthly or summer training sessions then the Air Guard would have authority.
If he is convicted by a federal court, then he will be discharged from military through administrative actions or a court martial.

His specialty was military intelligence!

[nn0wheremann]

A penny for your thoughts on the latest "leak" of classified intelligence information that effects our allies as well as us ! What do you think of the explanation that's it's actually a low ranking air force reserve member, more focused on on line gaming with teens than with his heavy responsibility by having access to our most sensitive intel ? A paid spy ? An immature air force member with "over his head" responsibilities ? A low lying fruit scapegoat for something even more complicated and covert than we can imagine ?
Too much is classified and too many have access to classified items. Still, mishandling of classified items is criminal, and the Bozo should be vigorously prosecuted and punished.

[NoMo50]

Interesting that he is not being Court Marshalled, but going fhrough the civilian court system.

It is still very early in this process. In fact, he could be tried in both Federal court, and in a military proceeding. The "double jeopardy" clause in the Constitution does not apply when dealing with different sovereigns. A civil court proceeding and a military court marshall are different sovereigns.

[Tvflguy]

This “leak”. Identified and arrested quickly.

The Supreme Court leak from many months ago….. nothing.
Selective Justice. And the Media follows the rules ….. shhhh

State of our country. Sad.

[Bay Kid]

Something very fishy about this whole thing.

[coconutmama]

Too much is classified and too many have access to classified items. Still, mishandling of classified items is criminal, and the Bozo should be vigorously prosecuted and punished.

Agree. And traitors should get the ultimate penalty

[G.R.I.T.S.]

A penny for your thoughts on the latest "leak" of classified intelligence information that effects our allies as well as us ! What do you think of the explanation that's it's actually a low ranking air force reserve member, more focused on on line gaming with teens than with his heavy responsibility by having access to our most sensitive intel ? A paid spy ? An immature air force member with "over his head" responsibilities ? A low lying fruit scapegoat for something even more complicated and covert than we can imagine ?

#4.

[Bwanajim]

“White Christian male”. “Into guns”. Stereotype much?

]Only speculation from news reports from various sources and interviews with fellow DISCORD identified as user 1 who allerted FBI of his identity.

Hmm, let’s see:

White Christian male?

Into guns?

Lives with mom?

Hints of narcissism?

Idealized violence?

Nope, nothing to see here.[/QUOTE]

[Blackbird45]

This is an immature 21-year-old who was smart enough on how to get access, but dumb enough to do it. If anyone is truly to blame is our government, they want something to be kept secret, but don't take the required steps to make sure it is. This little stunt is probably going to put him behind bars and even if it doesn't it will financially cost him and his family with lawyer fees big time.

[SHIBUMI]

The government needs to lie to the public to protect it from themselves. Their first goal is the security of the nation not an informed public. The founding fathers realized that the general public is not smart enough to deal with the truth about some things. The best example is who they have elected over the years. Especially 5 years ago. The general public believed in ufo's, aliens, Bigfoot, lochness monster, and make America great again. It needs to remain treated like a 7 year old. Someday it may grow up.





A penny for your thoughts on the latest "leak" of classified intelligence information that effects our allies as well as us ! What do you think of the explanation that's it's actually a low ranking air force reserve member, more focused on on line gaming with teens than with his heavy responsibility by having access to our most sensitive intel ? A paid spy ? An immature air force member with "over his head" responsibilities ? A low lying fruit scapegoat for something even more complicated and covert than we can imagine ?

[conman5652@aol.com]

A penny for your thoughts on the latest "leak" of classified intelligence information that effects our allies as well as us ! What do you think of the explanation that's it's actually a low ranking air force reserve member, more focused on on line gaming with teens than with his heavy responsibility by having access to our most sensitive intel ? A paid spy ? An immature air force member with "over his head" responsibilities ? A low lying fruit scapegoat for something even more complicated and covert than we can imagine ?
He took a oath to protect and defend his country. Classified information he was able to read was made possible by a complete investigation of him. It’s very extensive and involves friends neighbors and police. It’s done by the FBI. It’s is not given to everyone. He know his responsibility and know what is going to happen. So no he gets what he gets and if one contact is killed for spying for us he should be shot.
So I hope u now understand what’s going on an Trump should receive the same consequence.

[Regorp]

Only speculation from news reports from various sources and interviews with fellow DISCORD identified as user 1 who allerted FBI of his identity.

Hmm, let’s see:

White Christian male?

Into guns?

Lives with mom?

Hints of narcissism?

Idealized violence?

Nope, nothing to see here.

Being singled out due to obvious characteristics, it appears.

[Mike&Silvia]

A penny for your thoughts on the latest "leak" of classified intelligence information that effects our allies as well as us ! What do you think of the explanation that's it's actually a low ranking air force reserve member, more focused on on line gaming with teens than with his heavy responsibility by having access to our most sensitive intel ? A paid spy ? An immature air force member with "over his head" responsibilities ? A low lying fruit scapegoat for something even more complicated and covert than we can imagine ?

I find the content of what was revealed as disturbing as a low level military person having access to it. Would you rather not know the truth?

[Blackbird45]

I agree 100% with your logic. So don’t your explanations apply to Joe Biden too ??

This is not a political issue, both sides of the isle can take the blame for what goes on in Washington.

The way it works is that a low-level staffer overhears a janitor talking about an idea they have. The low-level staffer passes it on as their own and this continues up the food chain, each level taking credit. It is explained to the President at the time this is the best idea since slice bread. When the s**t hits the fan, everyone runs for cover and the janitor goes to jail. This is not confined to Washington it is also the how corporate America works.

[dewilson58]

What did President Kennedy say about secrets , getting rid of the. CIA and dark forces in our government ( deep state , “ secrets in an open and free society are repugnant “

Almond Joy and Mounds.
Sometimes you feel like a nut, sometimes you don't.

Sometimes you can post a political post, sometimes you can't.

:crap2::crap2::crap2:

[JayBee]

A penny for your thoughts on the latest "leak" of classified intelligence information that effects our allies as well as us ! What do you think of the explanation that's it's actually a low ranking air force reserve member, more focused on on line gaming with teens than with his heavy responsibility by having access to our most sensitive intel ? A paid spy ? An immature air force member with "over his head" responsibilities ? A low lying fruit scapegoat for something even more complicated and covert than we can imagine ?
For some reason, most of us know little about this Air National Guard group or what they do. This would have been a good start, for most of us who just want information, not political puffery. From what I see, this unit has one aircraft. ( an F-15),

Along with their federal reserve obligations, as commonwealth militia units the elements of the Massachusetts ANG are subject to being activated by order of the Governor to provide protection of life and property, and preserve peace, order and public safety. State missions include disaster relief in times of earthquakes, hurricanes, floods and forest fires, search and rescue, protection of vital public services, and support to civil defense.

[Stuholden]

I understood that your clearance was secret - because by revealing it you opened yourself to compromise.

[Dgodin]

I unfortunately had to handle classified while on active duty. Need to know rules work for those who are using classified but the kid wasn't a user. He was an IT tech who had access because of his job which was to make classified systems work. Go to any IT tech, civilian or military, and you'd be amazed at the access these people have. I recall going into the server room at my last civilian job and seeing a monitor setup with emails from everyone scrolling down the screen. The IT tech at my first civilian job was fired after he printed out and distributed executive salaries.
I don't know if there is a fix except for perhaps more oversight.

[jimjamuser]

A penny for your thoughts on the latest "leak" of classified intelligence information that effects our allies as well as us ! What do you think of the explanation that's it's actually a low ranking air force reserve member, more focused on on line gaming with teens than with his heavy responsibility by having access to our most sensitive intel ? A paid spy ? An immature air force member with "over his head" responsibilities ? A low lying fruit scapegoat for something even more complicated and covert than we can imagine ?
Like a lot of things, the simplest explanation is probably the correct one. I think that he is just a game-playing male that needed his gambling associates to think of him as someone more important than he actually was. He felt that he had enough separation and cover in his obscure group that he could brag and blab out some secrets to show himself to be important. It took about a year for his existence to leak out. We will slowly find out more about this incident, but I think that it will turn out simple and unsophisticated.
.......I also felt that he would get "the book thrown at him" in order to dissuade any similar incidents in the future. I was VERY surprised to hear this morning that his maximum penalty would be 10 years. I was thinking that a max penalty of LIFE was needed to discourage this type of thing.
......More and more details will likely keep coming out. Somebody will write a book and maybe even a movie comes out.

[jimjamuser]

Only speculation from news reports from various sources and interviews with fellow DISCORD identified as user 1 who allerted FBI of his identity.

Hmm, let’s see:

White Christian male?

Into guns?

Lives with mom?

Hints of narcissism?

Idealized violence?

Nope, nothing to see here.
Yes, a great POTENTIAL for a much BIGGER anti-social action than merely showing off knowledge of US secrets and US spying on other friendly countries. It seems that this problem was "nipped in the bud", but why did it take so long (over a year) to be discovered?

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Yes, a great POTENTIAL for a much BIGGER anti-social action than merely showing off knowledge of US secrets and US spying on other friendly countries. It seems that this problem was "nipped in the bud", but why did it take so long (over a year) to be discovered?

Because the internet is an ugly, ugly place. There are over six MILLION servers on Discord, each with its own members, some public, some private, some semi-public (you just need someone to OK your request but anyone who asks for it will get it). Each server is "owned" by its own person/group/company.

The FBI doesn't monitor every single person who logs in to every single server 24/7. Not to mention each account has the ability to DM/PM (private/direct message) any of the other accounts that they share servers with, and many members are members of multiple servers.

The owners of the servers aren't able to see the private messages sent between individuals; only what is posted on their chat channels.

There is one server I know of, specifically, that is run by literal neo-nazis, and they promote violence against Jews, blacks, Catholics, Muslims, Mexicans, and any one /else/ if they don't live in either Germany or the USA. They use code words to get around anyone trying to catch conversations triggered by actual words (such as gun, rifle, death, Washington DC, and the categories I just mentioned higher in this paragraph).

One of the members of the neo-nazi server was playing the game I play, and that person has since been banned from the game I play, and our Discord server.

But that's the kind of world we live in. And these are the kinds of people who are seeing any confidential/classified material that some idiot grown-ass ADULT (he's 21) part-time ANG twit chooses to share with their gamer pals.

[jimjamuser]

Good grief, what's next on the platter ? Many locations are having such great difficulty hiring police, will we finally get to the point where we intentionally discontinue background checks so we can freely hire ex-convicts ? That's so "far out", and yet, I wonder what people will do next ?
With respect to having difficulties hiring Police, I am convinced that here in TV Land and the greater USA, we need to rely on electronics and cameras to be the eyes needed on a neighborhood when Police are NOT available. We have had recent threads about speeding in The Villages and what causes it. But, one thing that would stop speeding and crime in a neighborhood is more use of cameras to deter crime and problems.
........ Stopping crimes on sites like DISCORD is a WHOLE other degree of difficulty. The FBI can NOT be monitoring every dark site like DISCORD. And most of the time it is just harmless juveniles that are not planning any crime. Maybe just bragging about having some guns and some mild anti-social attitudes.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

With respect to having difficulties hiring Police, I am convinced that here in TV Land and the greater USA, we need to rely on electronics and cameras to be the eyes needed on a neighborhood when Police are NOT available. We have had recent threads about speeding in The Villages and what causes it. But, one thing that would stop speeding and crime in a neighborhood is more use of cameras to deter crime and problems.
........ Stopping crimes on sites like DISCORD is a WHOLE other degree of difficulty. The FBI can NOT be monitoring every dark site like DISCORD. And most of the time it is just harmless juveniles that are not planning any crime. Maybe just bragging about having some guns and some mild anti-social attitudes.

Discord isn't a "dark site." It's important to use terminology correctly, or else you end up spreading the same kind of misinformation you accuse others of spreading.

Discord is just a chat network, much like IRC, the AOL and Prodigy "chat rooms" were back in the day.

[Worldseries27]

like a lot of things, the simplest explanation is probably the correct one. I think that he is just a game-playing male that needed his gambling associates to think of him as someone more important than he actually was. He felt that he had enough separation and cover in his obscure group that he could brag and blab out some secrets to show himself to be important. It took about a year for his existence to leak out. We will slowly find out more about this incident, but i think that it will turn out simple and unsophisticated.
.......i also felt that he would get "the book thrown at him" in order to dissuade any similar incidents in the future. I was very surprised to hear this morning that his maximum penalty would be 10 years. I was thinking that a max penalty of life was needed to discourage this type of thing.
......more and more details will likely keep coming out. Somebody will write a book and maybe even a movie comes out.
that sentence is based on 2 charges only. The kitchen sink is coming for him, his buddies and ultimately right up to sect of defense because if severe consequences are not utilized now they will face the music in the debates of 2024.

[jimjamuser]

Discord isn't a "dark site." It's important to use terminology correctly, or else you end up spreading the same kind of misinformation you accuse others of spreading.

Discord is just a chat network, much like IRC, the AOL and Prodigy "chat rooms" were back in the day.
Thanks for the correction. I only know that there are such things as "dark sites" on the internet. Because I don't really understand what they are and what they do - probably it makes me fear them more. It is human nature to fear the unknown.
.....Discord is something that I do NOT understand so I guess that I just "lumped them in " with something else that I truly don't understand........dark sites.
......I do truly appreciate the knowledge and expertise that MANY posters bring to tricky, difficult subjects such as this one.

[Bogie Shooter]

Nothing new here………

[Pairadocs]

It would be interesting to go into the future and see where this period in history has taken us. A lot of people would probably have acted differently now. Past history defines the future.

It sure does, and it's not good that we teach very limited, if any, actual history any more. I really don't think those who think that is not a great loss, just a poor use of limited education time to "waste" on a "boring, old, useless subject" ! No, LOL, I am not a retired history teacher, just one person who now realizes NOW, just how very valuable those history, philosophy, and psychology courses were. It was not memorizing the dates, name, and events, it was the TOTAL picture of what lies ahead if we don't put it all together. You are so right !

[Pairadocs]

I agree 100% with your logic. So don’t your explanations apply to Joe Biden too ??

Absolutely, my personal view is too many people are too loyal to one party or another, don't think or research, or analyze on their own. More emotion than intellect. I disagree completely with those who posted that a nation's citizens need to be protected from the truth by their elected officials. That implies elected officials have intellectual, educational, economic, and/or moral superiority and are fit to make decisions to "protect" their lesser advantaged masses. Simply not true, anyone can see that sets a nation on a path to ultimate failure, ultimate destruction. Frightening to think how we are going that direction. We create an idol out of a common man, we then throw all our deepest fears and insecurities on this "creation", then we "it" fails us, the great president or the great scientist who will save us, or the great general, is revealed to be just another, nothing special, man, we quake in our fears, and look for another. If anyone wants a 4 year liberal arts education in psychology, philosophy, fear as the one emotion that rules the world, and the foolishness of mass illusion and hysteria, all you have to do is watch the entertaining old movie.... Madagascar (the original one !)

[Pairadocs]

I have no idea what you are talking about so you can keep your penny.

Lol ! A smile is always good too. We can use a little "lightness" facing something like this.

[Pairadocs]

When you enter the Military you sign your life away when taking pledge
Simply put “ a note from mommy can't help you any longer”
The Oath of Enlistment (for enlisted):
"I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."
The UCMJ is made up of 146 articles that cover a wide range of
offenses and punishments. Some of the more common offenses covered by the UCMJ include adultery, assault, disobeying orders, and desertion. A number of articles also deal with specific offenses such as espionage and treason. Each violation has a corresponding punishment, ranging from a minor reprimand to more serious consequences. UCMJ is posted at every military base and is read and explained during boot camp orientation! I remember thinking auh Sh#t what did I get myself into.

The 10 commandments don't even come close.

LOL, hubby said something very similar about UCMJ when he finished at Paris Island !

[Pairadocs]

Let's add some clarity. This gentleman was in the Massachusetts Air National Guard. That means he was actually on military duty only one weekend a month +2 weeks during the summer. However, he was also a civilian employee of the National Guard. His specialty was cyber security. Back when I was in the guard, it was standard for you to wear your military uniform during the week even though technically you were a civilian. If you committed any violation of law during this time you were subject to civilian law, not the UCMJ (Uniform Code of Military Justice).

Well it's sure going to be interesting to see if what you experienced still applies today, "facing charges in U.S. court", we'll see what lies ahead now.

[Pairadocs]

Discord isn't a "teen on line group." It's a chat network for gamers, though some businesses, politicians, religious organizations, and journalists use it as well. I'm a member of one of the game servers, because I've been playing that game for 20 years. You don't need to be a teen to play video games.

The Discord server he was on, was one of the hundreds of game servers available.

Great to learn something, would never have garnered that from the "news talking heads", or even a couple of our federal administration spokes persons. I had never heard the acronym and they sure made it sound "dark", "mysterious", lol, of course. I do believe though, that his particular cyber "friends" (again, so they say !) were all younger, and looked up to him as important, knowledgeable, etc. Too bad when a person has a change to be a positive role model, many prove to have "clay feet". Anyway, many entertaining hours of playing on line games and thanks for explaining " Discord ! Maybe you should explain to some of these "government spokes people", it's not ominous at all... good luck with that !

[Get real]

What did President Kennedy say about secrets , getting rid of the. CIA and dark forces in our government ( deep state , “ secrets in an open and free society are repugnant “

He was right. But the FBLie, CIA, and other career offenders would be out of a job. Why haven't the Kennedy assassination documents been declassified? That's right !! If a low level KID can get to top secret documents, then the top secret document security is a bigger joke than I thought. This is probably just another diversion.

[dougancathy]

hang him or 50 years jail

[ScottGo]

It's called TREASON and he should get the full extent of the law. You take an oath going into the militarty. He broke that oath.

[mjc767]

This young man was “caught” within 24 hours and the identity of the Supreme Court leak is still unknown??!! Politics for sure.

[JMintzer]

With respect to having difficulties hiring Police, I am convinced that here in TV Land and the greater USA, we need to rely on electronics and cameras to be the eyes needed on a neighborhood when Police are NOT available. We have had recent threads about speeding in The Villages and what causes it. But, one thing that would stop speeding and crime in a neighborhood is more use of cameras to deter crime and problems.
........ Stopping crimes on sites like DISCORD is a WHOLE other degree of difficulty. The FBI can NOT be monitoring every dark site like DISCORD. And most of the time it is just harmless juveniles that are not planning any crime. Maybe just bragging about having some guns and some mild anti-social attitudes.

NYC has almost every single square in under surveillance by some type of camera. Yet, violent crime is rampant...

Oh, I know... MORE cameras will make things better...

[jimjamuser]

Absolutely, my personal view is too many people are too loyal to one party or another, don't think or research, or analyze on their own. More emotion than intellect. I disagree completely with those who posted that a nation's citizens need to be protected from the truth by their elected officials. That implies elected officials have intellectual, educational, economic, and/or moral superiority and are fit to make decisions to "protect" their lesser advantaged masses. Simply not true, anyone can see that sets a nation on a path to ultimate failure, ultimate destruction. Frightening to think how we are going that direction. We create an idol out of a common man, we then throw all our deepest fears and insecurities on this "creation", then we "it" fails us, the great president or the great scientist who will save us, or the great general, is revealed to be just another, nothing special, man, we quake in our fears, and look for another. If anyone wants a 4 year liberal arts education in psychology, philosophy, fear as the one emotion that rules the world, and the foolishness of mass illusion and hysteria, all you have to do is watch the entertaining old movie.... Madagascar (the original one !)
Humans make a big mistake when they try to find that one great leader that will turn their lives around and make everything wonderful. There was a sci-fi movie about that called "Dune" where only one great leader could ride the giant space-folding WORMS. Mankind has NOT risen past the anthropological idea of tribalism, where the one (god-like) leader carries the nation on his (mostly) shoulders to ultimate glory. Think Hitler, Stalin, Churchill, and the Kennedys.
........For myself, I would prefer a 3 or 5-person panel to be President of the US, not just ANY one person.

[Boffin]

Humans make a big mistake when they try to find that one great leader that will turn their lives around and make everything wonderful. There was a sci-fi movie about that called "Dune" where only one great leader could ride the giant space-folding WORMS. Mankind has NOT risen past the anthropological idea of tribalism, where the one (god-like) leader carries the nation on his (mostly) shoulders to ultimate glory. Think Hitler, Stalin, Churchill, and the Kennedys.
........For myself, I would prefer a 3 or 5-person panel to be President of the US, not just ANY one person.
Also known as lemmings.

[ShaSha]

I feel the same way you do…
Young and immature! Easily impressed and swayed. He has definitely been “set up”. This very impressionable “man” was coerced into this unthinkable act of TREASON .

[Worldseries27]

[quote=boffin;2208078]also known as lemmings.[/quot/
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[Worldseries27]

humans make a big mistake when they try to find that one great leader that will turn their lives around and make everything wonderful. There was a sci-fi movie about that called "dune" where only one great leader could ride the giant space-folding worms. Mankind has not risen past the anthropological idea of tribalism, where the one (god-like) leader carries the nation on his (mostly) shoulders to ultimate glory. Think hitler, stalin, churchill, and the kennedys.
........for myself, i would prefer a 3 or 5-person panel to be president of the us, not just any one person.
could accept that with 1 six year term limit. It would eliminate the vitriol during elections and lose only 2 years of lame duck presidencies.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Great to learn something, would never have garnered that from the "news talking heads", or even a couple of our federal administration spokes persons. I had never heard the acronym and they sure made it sound "dark", "mysterious", lol, of course. I do believe though, that his particular cyber "friends" (again, so they say !) were all younger, and looked up to him as important, knowledgeable, etc. Too bad when a person has a change to be a positive role model, many prove to have "clay feet". Anyway, many entertaining hours of playing on line games and thanks for explaining " Discord ! Maybe you should explain to some of these "government spokes people", it's not ominous at all... good luck with that !

Heh - most of those "government spokes people" still don't understand the concept of social media.

Also - Discord isn't an acronym. It was named Discord because discord - the inability to synchronize - was something they were trying to solve when they were playing League of Legends and one of the Final Fantasy games, almost a decade ago.

As for my comment that you responded to, I was incorrect - they don't have "hundreds" of game servers. They have "millions" of game servers. They, being Discord.

Technically speaking, discord is a VoIP and instant messaging system. If you use Zoom, or Skype, or WhatsApp, then you are using something very similar to Discord.

[GizmoWhiskers]

A penny for your thoughts on the latest "leak" of classified intelligence information that effects our allies as well as us ! What do you think of the explanation that's it's actually a low ranking air force reserve member, more focused on on line gaming with teens than with his heavy responsibility by having access to our most sensitive intel ? A paid spy ? An immature air force member with "over his head" responsibilities ? A low lying fruit scapegoat for something even more complicated and covert than we can imagine ?
Funny, I made a comment on jail time and the judicail system and got an infraction. The OP must have pretty good connections with a post like this. Wonder if reply posters are getting infracted?

No politics being discussed in this thread for sure. Just more clickbait for infractions for some...

[jimjamuser]

Heh - most of those "government spokes people" still don't understand the concept of social media.

Also - Discord isn't an acronym. It was named Discord because discord - the inability to synchronize - was something they were trying to solve when they were playing League of Legends and one of the Final Fantasy games, almost a decade ago.

As for my comment that you responded to, I was incorrect - they don't have "hundreds" of game servers. They have "millions" of game servers. They, being Discord.

Technically speaking, discord is a VoIP and instant messaging system. If you use Zoom, or Skype, or WhatsApp, then you are using something very similar to Discord.
Thank you for the good, technical, detailed explanation!

[jimjamuser]

Absolutely, my personal view is too many people are too loyal to one party or another, don't think or research, or analyze on their own. More emotion than intellect. I disagree completely with those who posted that a nation's citizens need to be protected from the truth by their elected officials. That implies elected officials have intellectual, educational, economic, and/or moral superiority and are fit to make decisions to "protect" their lesser advantaged masses. Simply not true, anyone can see that sets a nation on a path to ultimate failure, ultimate destruction. Frightening to think how we are going that direction. We create an idol out of a common man, we then throw all our deepest fears and insecurities on this "creation", then we "it" fails us, the great president or the great scientist who will save us, or the great general, is revealed to be just another, nothing special, man, we quake in our fears, and look for another. If anyone wants a 4 year liberal arts education in psychology, philosophy, fear as the one emotion that rules the world, and the foolishness of mass illusion and hysteria, all you have to do is watch the entertaining old movie.... Madagascar (the original one !)
Tribalism defined - as looking for that one great leader (aka Missaia) that will lead their society to great, legendary heights. Historic examples - Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin, and Mao - yes, great leaders everyone, but their followers paid a great price for the leader's UNLIMITED ambition. Be careful when you try to pick that ONE SPECIAL EXHAULTED LEADER. History is littered with FALSE prophets. Be VERY careful!

[mbene]

There have been many top secret leaks on line, one game in particular has been the reason for a lot. The game War Thunder has had service personnel from many countries disclose secret info to back up their positions. Leaks have come from the US, England, China, Russia, France and other countries. Here is an interesting article. There are other articles out there.

Another problem is that according to one article I read, as of 2019 there were about 1.25 MILLION people holding Top Secret clearance in the US, seems like a lot.

War Thunder fan reportedly leaks restricted F-16 documents - AeroTime (https://www.aerotime.aero/articles/another-war-thunder-leak-player-reportedly-posts-restricted-f-16-documents)