Where is the Tear Gas?

[retiredguy123]

I'm watching the mobs of people in Chicago and Los Angeles causing massive property damage and physical injury and the police are standing around doing nothing. How about shooting some tear gas canisters to break up the crowd, or is that considered too cruel or dangerous? I can personally testify that it works quickly and effectively.

[mtdjed]

I'm watching the mobs of people in Chicago and Los Angeles causing massive property damage and physical injury and the police are standing around doing nothing. How about shooting some tear gas canisters to break up the crowd, or is that considered too cruel or dangerous? I can personally testify that it works quickly and effectively.
Certainly, that would be abuse of the rights of these poor souls just struggling to get their equity.

[tophcfa]

I'm watching the mobs of people in Chicago and Los Angeles causing massive property damage and physical injury and the police are standing around doing nothing. How about shooting some tear gas canisters to break up the crowd, or is that considered too cruel or dangerous? I can personally testify that it works quickly and effectively.

With all the ridiculous criticisms police are facing because of the actions of just a few, as well as the defund the police movement, entire police departments hands have been tied and they are afraid to do their jobs. It’s an absolute shame.

[PJOHNS2654]

Amen

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

I'm watching the mobs of people in Chicago and Los Angeles causing massive property damage and physical injury and the police are standing around doing nothing. How about shooting some tear gas canisters to break up the crowd, or is that considered too cruel or dangerous? I can personally testify that it works quickly and effectively.

These mobs of people in Chicago were mostly teens who showed up in the park -before- the time that they weren't allowed to be in it (it's restricted for 21+ after a certain time of night). So they were there lawfully, and not "mobbing" the place, at the time they got there. Unfortunately - and to the surprise of probably no one at all - it spun out of control when they started attacking other people, mostly tourists, jumping on parked cars, including cars with people in them.

Tear gas would've put those tourists - the VICTIMS - at risk.

Why not put the blame where it belongs - on the teens, and their parents.

[dewilson58]

News Report:

Chicago Violence: Police Respond to Large Group of Teenagers Downtown for Second Night in a Row – NBC Chicago (https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/chicago-police-millennium-park-crowds-31st-street-beach/3119992/)

:ohdear::ohdear:

[JMintzer]

These mobs of people in Chicago were mostly teens who showed up in the park -before- the time that they weren't allowed to be in it (it's restricted for 21+ after a certain time of night). So they were there lawfully, and not "mobbing" the place, at the time they got there. Unfortunately - and to the surprise of probably no one at all - it spun out of control when they started attacking other people, mostly tourists, jumping on parked cars, including cars with people in them.

Tear gas would've put those tourists - the VICTIMS - at risk.

Why not put the blame where it belongs - on the teens, and their parents.

Nonsense... The entire thing was planned ahead of time on Facebook and other Social Media sites...

[JRcorvette]

Can you imagine if this crap took place here in The Villages!

[MrFlorida]

According to the mayor of Chicago, they were only having fun !

[JMintzer]

So where do you recommend the uneducated start getting news from?

The sources THEY get their news from, of course... I mean, since they're sooo edumacated...

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[Tmsreted]

I would recommend people vote with their feet and money...only then does it get the attention of the elitist. We are currently in an environment with folks exiting cities and states due to high taxes, crime and injustice. Those left will suffer the consequences of societal breakdown. (i.e. big business shutting stores in under-served communities)

[Fltpkr]

I'm watching the mobs of people in Chicago and Los Angeles causing massive property damage and physical injury and the police are standing around doing nothing. How about shooting some tear gas canisters to break up the crowd, or is that considered too cruel or dangerous? I can personally testify that it works quickly and effectively.

I cannot speak about LA, but in Chicago, the crowds were moving very quickly and the streets (have you ever seen Michigan Avenue) were full of cars with ordinary folks as well as tourists. So, you think tear gas is really the best call in that situation? The crowds of kids would just run into the next block and everyone else would be choking on tear gas. How would tear gas affect the drivers, passengers and bystanders? A lot of Villages Monday morning quarterbacking - I think.

[retiredguy123]

I cannot speak about LA, but in Chicago, the crowds were moving very quickly and the streets (have you ever seen Michigan Avenue) were full of cars with ordinary folks as well as tourists. So, you think tear gas is really the best call in that situation? The crowds of kids would just run into the next block and everyone else would be choking on tear gas. How would tear gas affect the drivers, passengers and bystanders? A lot of Villages Monday morning quarterbacking - I think.
What about the couple who were beaten and robbed in front of their apartment building? They said they saw police walking by who appeared to be ignoring the situation. A few tear gas canisters could have dispersed that mob and prevented the assault.

What about the mob that broke into a convenience store in Los Angeles? It took them several minutes to force their way into the store before they destroyed an entire business.

[DaveZ]

These mobs of people in Chicago were mostly teens who showed up in the park -before- the time that they weren't allowed to be in it (it's restricted for 21+ after a certain time of night). So they were there lawfully, and not "mobbing" the place, at the time they got there. Unfortunately - and to the surprise of probably no one at all - it spun out of control when they started attacking other people, mostly tourists, jumping on parked cars, including cars with people in them.

Tear gas would've put those tourists - the VICTIMS - at risk.

Why not put the blame where it belongs - on the teens, and their parents.

I really can’t tell if you’re condoning this incident, passing the blame, or just softening it. The read feels like tourists don’t matter (in fact a number of residents were sent to the hospital) and seems to be misdirection.

The old “where are the parents” is really a worn out passive response to crime and violence. Police are responsible for protecting the public, not parents. It’s why we support and have them. Every criminal has parents and it doesn’t matter where parents are when crime is committed. Were I in the middle of that mob being beaten, I’d prefer having police actively ending the incident (even if I got gassed) and arresting the assaulters rather than a parent. Even more so preventing the mob in the first place.

[Stu from NYC]

I really can’t tell if you’re condoning this incident, passing the blame, or just softening it. The read feels like tourists don’t matter (in fact a number of residents were sent to the hospital) and seems to be misdirection.

The old “where are the parents” is really a worn out passive response to crime and violence. Police are responsible for protecting the public, not parents. It’s why we support and have them. Every criminal has parents and it doesn’t matter where parents are when crime is committed. Were I in the middle of that mob being beaten, I’d prefer having police actively ending the incident (even if I got gassed) and arresting the assaulters rather than a parent. Even more so preventing the mob in the first place.

Actions have consequences. Allow people to loot and destroy and they will.
Businesses that were destroyed are gone taking jobs with it.

How does anyone condone this?

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Nonsense... The entire thing was planned ahead of time on Facebook and other Social Media sites...

Yes. They planned to get there before the restriction time. At the time they showed up, they were there legally. At the time they showed up, they weren't doing anything to violate the law. If the police had acted BEFORE any trouble started, the riots would've been even worse, and the hue and cry would've been that the government has turned the park into a Police State and fascism was ruling the day.

Instead, they got a bunch of angry teens whose parents let them have a cell phone too young, and never taught their kids self-respect, who allowed the mob mentality to rule their day.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

I really can’t tell if you’re condoning this incident, passing the blame, or just softening it. The read feels like tourists don’t matter (in fact a number of residents were sent to the hospital) and seems to be misdirection.

The old “where are the parents” is really a worn out passive response to crime and violence. Police are responsible for protecting the public, not parents. It’s why we support and have them. Every criminal has parents and it doesn’t matter where parents are when crime is committed. Were I in the middle of that mob being beaten, I’d prefer having police actively ending the incident (even if I got gassed) and arresting the assaulters rather than a parent. Even more so preventing the mob in the first place.

Parents are responsible for raising their children. The kids shouldn't have been there in the first place. They shouldn't have been planning a mob or riot in a public park. They shouldn't have been behaving like animals. WHY were they behaving that way? When kids do bad things and get away with it, and the word comes out years later that they did those bad things, people say "oh well he was just a kid at the time." And those bad kids get appointed to the Supreme Court, or the Police Department. Or get elected.

You don't hear too much about how their parents should've taught them to respect women, respect themselves, respect civilization and humanity. You'll hear it from me though. I acted out plenty when I was a kid. But I never participated in a riot. My parents instilled too much self-respect and respect of other peoples' property and respect of the human race as a whole, to participate in a riot.

[DaveZ]

Parents are responsible for raising their children. The kids shouldn't have been there in the first place. They shouldn't have been planning a mob or riot in a public park. They shouldn't have been behaving like animals. WHY were they behaving that way? When kids do bad things and get away with it, and the word comes out years later that they did those bad things, people say "oh well he was just a kid at the time." And those bad kids get appointed to the Supreme Court, or the Police Department. Or get elected.

You don't hear too much about how their parents should've taught them to respect women, respect themselves, respect civilization and humanity. You'll hear it from me though. I acted out plenty when I was a kid. But I never participated in a riot. My parents instilled too much self-respect and respect of other peoples' property and respect of the human race as a whole, to participate in a riot.

I agree that parents may be responsible as are a host of other people or things. I also miss the old days but parents aren’t accountable when a crime is occurring. The individual committing the crime is accountable for their actions and the consequences that occur as a result.

The problem with blaming parents is the logical assumption that criminals all have bad parenting. The justice system in many instances is doing just that by lowering or eliminating sentences because criminals are a victim of upbringing be it parents and/or dysfunctional social environment. It creates its own environment where nearly everyone else including crime victims are accountable (including law enforcement) and have to accept the consequences with less than sincere apologies from society. Since consequences are being set low, so is the deterrent to committing crime. Motivation to commit crime typically moves counterpoint to consequences. Speeding or jaywalking vs drunk driving or assaults are typical good examples. Mob crimes are occurring more often now exactly because they make any accountability to individual criminals difficult even if a parent or social media platform is responsible.

[DaveZ]

Actions have consequences. Allow people to loot and destroy and they will.
Businesses that were destroyed are gone taking jobs with it.

How does anyone condone this?

Good point. I apologize to you OrangeBlossumPoster because neither you nor any of us wouldn’t directly condone the events in Chicago. A better word is “ignore” in the context of criminals and authority accountability.

I would add that as long as citizens do not hold authority accountable for protecting them by deterring crime, we appear to condone it hence the many ideologues and demagogues blaming each other.

[jimbomaybe]

I agree that parents may be responsible as are a host of other people or things. I also miss the old days but parents aren’t accountable when a crime is occurring. The individual committing the crime is accountable for their actions and the consequences that occur as a result.

The problem with blaming parents is the logical assumption that criminals all have bad parenting. The justice system in many instances is doing just that by lowering or eliminating sentences because criminals are a victim of upbringing be it parents and/or dysfunctional social environment. It creates its own environment where nearly everyone else including crime victims are accountable (including law enforcement) and have to accept the consequences with less than sincere apologies from society. Since consequences are being set low, so is the deterrent to committing crime. Motivation to commit crime typically moves counterpoint to consequences. Speeding or jaywalking vs drunk driving or assaults are typical good examples. Mob crimes are occurring more often now exactly because they make any accountability to individual criminals difficult even if a parent or social media platform is responsible.
Its a combination of both social breakdown of the family structure and a the popularity of the "social justice/ restorative justice, restorative justice has accomplished little except restoring more criminals to the street. A juvenile arrested for some criminal activity is usually just returned to the parent , it not being uncommon for the parent to be upset due to the inconvenience of having to show up at the police station to pick the little darling up and berate the child for being caught not not the criminal violation

[CPD050]

Unfortunately, use of gas teams is almost impossible. Back in the day special operations teams were available 24 hrs a day and had large tanks of gas readily available. They could be called up by a deputy chief and arrive on scene within minutes. What a sight, to clear a corner after a good blast from gas team. Now a gas team is a swat team that does not have gas available. It needs to be authorized by the superintendent or his designated subordinate. That will not happen. The real problem in Chicago is that if you manage to catch and arrest someone, they get charges dropped at court. What a waste.

[retiredguy123]

Unfortunately, use of gas teams is almost impossible. Back in the day special operations teams were available 24 hrs a day and had large tanks of gas readily available. They could be called up by a deputy chief and arrive on scene within minutes. What a sight, to clear a corner after a good blast from gas team. Now a gas team is a swat team that does not have gas available. It needs to be authorized by the superintendent or his designated subordinate. That will not happen. The real problem in Chicago is that if you manage to catch and arrest someone, they get charges dropped at court. What a waste.
My experience with tear gas was in the early 1970's when the National Guard and Army Reserve came to college campuses to remove Vietnam war protestors. When a crowd got out of hand, they threw metal canisters of gas and it was very effective at breaking up large crowds. Of course, I was in my dorm room studying when this happened.

[dewilson58]

Actions have consequences. Allow people to loot and destroy and they will.
Businesses that were destroyed are gone taking jobs with it.


Agree..................seen it in LA, Seattle, Ferguson, Twin Cities.

[justjim]

Police are “dammed” if they don’t use tear gas and “dammed” if they do. An obvious no win situation.

[BigSteph]

You mean like the January 6 insurrection???? I wonder why a lot of TOTV posters didn't register the same amount of outrage.


Why can't you be outraged by both.... I am?

[jimbomaybe]

Why can't you be outraged by both.... I am?

Sad but true, unfortunately history only seems to give you the choice of supporting the faction you think will do the least damage