New Computer, or Upgrade Existing Tower?

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

I love my 27" monitor and really don't want an "all in one" computer. My current computer works fine, but for a bad fan that needs replacing. The other two fans are in perfect shape.

Problem is, my computer is -not- upgradable to Win11, and Win10 will no longer be supported this coming year - and some of the "apps" already don't work on it anymore.

I'm thinking - maybe I could get a new hard drive? Or even an SSD? I'd have to buy Win11 but that's cheap enough, I can get the license and download for less than $50. A new SSD I think can run under $200.

That seems a lot more useful to me than spending $600+ for a new tower.

My current computer comes with an older generation Intel i7, and at 2.8ghz is fast enough for my needs.

The computer itself is not a "true" component computer, but it's also not fully integrated. So I can swap out the hard drive, I'm pretty sure the motherboard is easily removable, I've already reseated the heat sink with new thermal paste so I know that's doable (thanks to villagetinker for the smear of paste).

It's been SOOOO long since I've worked on a computer other than the heat sink, and my CompTIA A+ certification was from back in the days when DOS was still included with Windows so - I'm really not up to speed on technology anymore.

Does adding an SSD or swapping out for an updated hard drive sound like the right move here? Or should I get rid of my beautiful Acer 27" monitor that's only 2 years old and works great, and go for an all-in-one that's cheaper than $500?

My budget is limited. I can go UP TO $500, no matter which way I go. I'd even consider an "out of box" or certified refurbished tower from Best Buy, but it needs to be a new(er) model computer if I go that route instead.

I -will not- buy a Dell. I wouldn't even take on if someone gave it to me. I prefer HP, but I'm not opposed to Acer, Asu, MSI, or even Lenovo.

I prefer a computer that comes with a dvd r/w and it must have a card reader.

Suggestions, things to watch out for, things to avoid, can my idea of keeping my tower and upgrading it work?

[Pairadocs]

I love my 27" monitor and really don't want an "all in one" computer. My current computer works fine, but for a bad fan that needs replacing. The other two fans are in perfect shape.

Problem is, my computer is -not- upgradable to Win11, and Win10 will no longer be supported this coming year - and some of the "apps" already don't work on it anymore.

I'm thinking - maybe I could get a new hard drive? Or even an SSD? I'd have to buy Win11 but that's cheap enough, I can get the license and download for less than $50. A new SSD I think can run under $200.

That seems a lot more useful to me than spending $600+ for a new tower.

My current computer comes with an older generation Intel i7, and at 2.8ghz is fast enough for my needs.

The computer itself is not a "true" component computer, but it's also not fully integrated. So I can swap out the hard drive, I'm pretty sure the motherboard is easily removable, I've already reseated the heat sink with new thermal paste so I know that's doable (thanks to villagetinker for the smear of paste).

It's been SOOOO long since I've worked on a computer other than the heat sink, and my CompTIA A+ certification was from back in the days when DOS was still included with Windows so - I'm really not up to speed on technology anymore.

Does adding an SSD or swapping out for an updated hard drive sound like the right move here? Or should I get rid of my beautiful Acer 27" monitor that's only 2 years old and works great, and go for an all-in-one that's cheaper than $500?

My budget is limited. I can go UP TO $500, no matter which way I go. I'd even consider an "out of box" or certified refurbished tower from Best Buy, but it needs to be a new(er) model computer if I go that route instead.

I -will not- buy a Dell. I wouldn't even take on if someone gave it to me. I prefer HP, but I'm not opposed to Acer, Asu, MSI, or even Lenovo.

I prefer a computer that comes with a dvd r/w and it must have a card reader.

Suggestions, things to watch out for, things to avoid, can my idea of keeping my tower and upgrading it work?

So many leaders in the computer club can help you, not make your decision, but, since retiring from the tech industry, these folks who lead the club and are on the board are up to date with every new innovation, models, versions, of desk top, towers, etc. as well as cell phones, tablets, etc. So helpful, so open to helping even if not a regular member !

[retiredguy123]

I love my 27" monitor and really don't want an "all in one" computer. My current computer works fine, but for a bad fan that needs replacing. The other two fans are in perfect shape.

Problem is, my computer is -not- upgradable to Win11, and Win10 will no longer be supported this coming year - and some of the "apps" already don't work on it anymore.

I'm thinking - maybe I could get a new hard drive? Or even an SSD? I'd have to buy Win11 but that's cheap enough, I can get the license and download for less than $50. A new SSD I think can run under $200.

That seems a lot more useful to me than spending $600+ for a new tower.

My current computer comes with an older generation Intel i7, and at 2.8ghz is fast enough for my needs.

The computer itself is not a "true" component computer, but it's also not fully integrated. So I can swap out the hard drive, I'm pretty sure the motherboard is easily removable, I've already reseated the heat sink with new thermal paste so I know that's doable (thanks to villagetinker for the smear of paste).

It's been SOOOO long since I've worked on a computer other than the heat sink, and my CompTIA A+ certification was from back in the days when DOS was still included with Windows so - I'm really not up to speed on technology anymore.

Does adding an SSD or swapping out for an updated hard drive sound like the right move here? Or should I get rid of my beautiful Acer 27" monitor that's only 2 years old and works great, and go for an all-in-one that's cheaper than $500?

My budget is limited. I can go UP TO $500, no matter which way I go. I'd even consider an "out of box" or certified refurbished tower from Best Buy, but it needs to be a new(er) model computer if I go that route instead.

I -will not- buy a Dell. I wouldn't even take on if someone gave it to me. I prefer HP, but I'm not opposed to Acer, Asu, MSI, or even Lenovo.

I prefer a computer that comes with a dvd r/w and it must have a card reader.

Suggestions, things to watch out for, things to avoid, can my idea of keeping my tower and upgrading it work?
If your current computer cannot be upgraded to Windows 11, I don't think you can buy Windows 11 and install it. I think your motherboard would not have the proper firmware to accept a new Windows 11 software program. I would suggest buying a new tower, but it doesn't appear that your budget would be sufficient.

[NoMoSno]

Windows 10 has until 2025 before it's not supported:
when will windows 10 support end - Google Search (https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=when+will+windows+10+support+end)

[villagetinker]

I agree, you will need a new mother board with all of the new security chip(s) for anything above W10 to work. I also agree that getting expert advice from the computer club would be a great idea, it has been a long time since I built my last computer, so I am not in a position to help.
You could see who the manufacturer of your current motherboard is, and contact them to see what their 'entry level' W11 or better board would cost, and if any of your current boards would be suitable as well as memory. This would probably be your minimal cost. Next option as mentioned would be a certified rebuilt unit. Upgrading just the hard drive on your existing computer will NOT allow you to upgrade to W11 or later, you will absolutely need the new security chips.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

I agree, you will need a new mother board with all of the new security chip(s) for anything above W10 to work. I also agree that getting expert advice from the computer club would be a great idea, it has been a long time since I built my last computer, so I am not in a position to help.
You could see who the manufacturer of your current motherboard is, and contact them to see what their 'entry level' W11 or better board would cost, and if any of your current boards would be suitable as well as memory. This would probably be your minimal cost. Next option as mentioned would be a certified rebuilt unit. Upgrading just the hard drive on your existing computer will NOT allow you to upgrade to W11 or later, you will absolutely need the new security chips.

Ah so it's the motherboard, not the hard drive, that I need. This is actually really helpful information. Like I said it's been awhile since I've been certified. I used to build component machines once upon a time for a university tech center. Mostly though I was the software geek of the crew. I'll see about reaching out to the computer club when I'm ready to buy whatever I end up getting. Won't be for another couple of months, but I'm in the "research" process now.

[Caymus]

I used to build desktops in the 1990's. For a while you could upgrade them cheaper than by buying a new one. After a while almost every upgrade required all parts to be replaced. The new motherboards had different form factors and required new cases/power supply and usually a different type of ram. Only a few of the cheaper parts could be reused.

For a while it was fun to go to computer shows and read Computer Shopper Magazine to source parts.

[jpvillager]

You would probably need a memory upgrade in addition to a new and bigger SSD.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

You would probably need a memory upgrade in addition to a new and bigger SSD.

Pretty sure the memory is fine. There is no SSD in it, it has a 1TB hard drive and 8gb DDR memory. As I said, the thing works perfectly. It's just that the operating system will not be supported soon (turns out 2025) and some of the programs in it have already upgraded themselves to a point where they are no longer compatible with my computer. Some of them I don't need and can live without. Some of them would be an inconvenience to lose, on the occasion that I actually need to use them.

I tend to keep my electronics devices until they no longer work, there's no need to keep switching for bigger and better just because they're bigger and better. That's something people with disposable incomes do. I'm not one of those people.

Now that I think of it - the graphics card is integrated and it's a legacy. <sigh> Back to having to buy a new computer.

Thanks everyone for the advice. I'll still talk with the computer club when it's time to ditch my beauty.

[retiredguy123]

Another related issue is that whenever you make a hardware change, especially replacing the motherboard, you will need to reactivate Windows because of licensing problems. This could be a real hassle and may require you to call Microsoft to resolve it.

[Snowbirdtobe]

I am an Apple lover so I'm going try and convert you.
Apple is going to introduce new hardware at the WWDC in June and has placed many Macs on sale.
Amazon has a new Mac mini (M2) on sale for $549. 10 core gpu 8core cpu 256GB of SSD storage.
Plug in your monitor, keyboard and mouse and you are set for the next 10 years.
There are Apple clubs in the villages and free apple help from villagers at the paradise rec center twice a month.
If $500 is a hard limit I'm sure that you can find used M1 minis for much less than that.
Software upgrades to the next operating system has always been free. If you have an iPhone or iPad this is a chance to use the full capability of the iPhone.

[Arctic Fox]

I love my 27" monitor and really don't want an "all in one" computer. My current computer works fine, but for a bad fan that needs replacing. The other two fans are in perfect shape.

Problem is, my computer is -not- upgradable to Win11, and Win10 will no longer be supported this coming year - and some of the "apps" already don't work on it anymore.

Since Windows 10 is good for a few more years, and you are happy with your current set-up, why not just get a new fan?

[daniel200]

The fans are easily replaced. That may get you a few more years.

If not, I think you should just purchase a new computer. Upgrading is not really realistic because your CPU is the limitation of Windows 11.

One caveat, if you keep your old monitor, you need to verify that it is compatible with your new computer. Modern monitors use mostly HDMI cables to connect to the computer. Older monitors do not have HDMI compatibility. If your current monitor has an HDMI connection, then it will be compatible a new computer. If not, then be careful in selection.

I am a big fan of all-in-one desktop. I have had a Dell all-in-one for 5 years now. Never had a problem and it really frees up desk

[Inspector Mark]

I'm sure you already know this but I would just buy a new laptop and connect a second monitor to it. You will still have your 27 inch monitor and the flexibility to take the laptop with you.

[oldtimes]

I'm sure you already know this but I would just buy a new laptop and connect a second monitor to it. You will still have your 27 inch monitor and the flexibility to take the laptop with you.

I totally agree. I swapped in my tower for a laptop and can attach anything I want to it and it takes up so much less room.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Since Windows 10 is good for a few more years, and you are happy with your current set-up, why not just get a new fan?

I thought Windows 10 was being phased out THIS year and would be unsupported in 2024. Once that happens, many apps/programs will cease to work on a win10 machine, as those apps update to accommodate the changes in the new OS.

My computer works fine with the single bad fan, as I said it has two other fans that function perfectly. My computer -cannot- upgrade to Win11. It is not compatible with the upgrade, and once Win11 phases Win10 out completely I will have to already have upgraded the computer components, or I'll have to buy a new computer.

Since that isn't happening until 2025, I have time to enjoy the computer I have now.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

I'm sure you already know this but I would just buy a new laptop and connect a second monitor to it. You will still have your 27 inch monitor and the flexibility to take the laptop with you.

I already have a laptop. I'll need to replace that too once Win10 is completely phased out, since that is also not upgradable to Win11. I let hubby use the laptop and I just bring it with me when I travel sometimes. I hate laptop keyboards, and the mouse pad, the only reason I have it at all, is because I earned it as a top seller for HP when I used to work at Staples. Two laptops, $100 off this computer, three photo printers, one business printer, around $2000 in Starbucks and Chilis gift cards, and six years worth of free Instant Ink for my printers. I gave most of the devices away as gifts or donated to a local food pantry office.

I'm already hooked up. It's just that everything I have is OLD now, and will soon need replacing. I'm trying to prepare for that.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Also - I'm not looking for alternative configurations. I have a laptop, a tablet, a cell phone, and a desktop. I have a WIRED old-school USB mechanical keyboard that I'm rather fond of and not interested in replacing. I keep all of my data and most of my apps and programs on a thumb drive and use my hard drive for the OS and a few programs that HP has decided can't be deleted. My laptop is a gaming laptop.

If I were to buy a new laptop just because it's smaller and has windows 11, I'd still need to stick it on the shelf under my desk, use my 27" monitor, and my wired mechanical keyboard, and my bluetooth mouse. (and yes the monitor is HDMI, though I don't have it hooked up that way)

And - similarly to Dell, you can't pay me enough to own an Apple. If I was interested in a new operating system I'd switch to Linux.

[Arctic Fox]

I thought Windows 10 was being phased out THIS year and would be unsupported in 2024. Once that happens, many apps/programs will cease to work on a win10 machine, as those apps update to accommodate the changes in the new OS.

Since that isn't happening until 2025, I have time to enjoy the computer I have now.

I switched last year to just a laptop and doing so was a lot less trouble than I had feared.

I do miss the bigger screen (24") but somehow the laptop one (15") seems larger than it is - probably because one is closer to it. You can get larger (17"+) although they do cost quite a bit more.

The built-in keyboard is okay for me, but I am not a good typist anyway, but I hate the trackpad and always use a wireless mouse.

I opted for an Acer Aspire as they have been the highest rated "budget" laptops for several years.

[rsmurano]

Linux is far superior than win 10/11. You can keep an older computer and put any flavor of Linux on it and it will be faster than a new computer running win 10/11.
Every computer should run the OS off a solid state device (ssd or nvme m.2 device). Also, you can run the OS off an external solid state device and then use your internal disk for storage or backup.
Never ever a Microsoft user and never will be

[VillagerNut]

I agree that your whole motherboard needs to be replaced to upgrade to Windows 11. There are PC towers out there you can buy that will work. You can have a DVD/CD player installed in most towers. Just verify that you can install it. You may want to check with Dell or Best Buy for help.

[PersonOfInterest]

Look at a new mini computer and keep your 27" monitor. Starting around $120 they fit the budget. Add your current keyboard, mouse and monitor and any new components you feel you will need for much less than another large tower unit.

[gailarlene]

Why not just get the "all in one" computer, then connect your 27" monitor to it. Much easier and it's already upgraded.

[JoelJohnson]

I wrote my first program (Fortran IV) in 1969, so I've been around awhile. I too started with DOS (loved it) but was forced to go to Windows when Quicken wouldn't support DOS anymore. I used most of the versions of Windows, but the last one I used was Windows 7. I found Linux a few years before giving up on Windows (which I needed, again for Quicken). Once I switched to Linux Mint Cinnamon, I found it easy to use and it just worked. I didn't need any anti-virus software, all software was free (as was Linux).
I'll never go back to Windows, but I do use a Chromebook most of the time.

[bowlingal]

suck it up. It's time for a new computer.

[WingedFoot78]

Amen to that. I switched to Apple 12+ years ago and have not regretted it. I have only had to replace the battery on my MacBook Air last year. If you have issues, Apple Care is just a phone call away.

[HomerSimpson]

I am waiting until 2025, then will buy a Dell Windows 11 laptop and use an external monitor, kbd, and mouse when at the desk. Not sure why you don't like Dell, but I have had good luck with them.

Optical drives are not a very popular option these days. With cheap or free cloud storage, fast Internet, and cheap flash drives, burning DVDs are kind of old-school.

Replace the fan - you can probably find one on Amazon. In 2025, if you are still around and computers are still a "thing," then bite the bullet and get a Windows 12 (or whatever is the latest) laptop. Save the DVD burner from your desktop if you need one. It can be made an external device with a cheap case.

[Arctic Fox]

Not sure why you don't like Dell, but I have had good luck with them.

I swore I'd never buy another Acer after my first laptop from them was a disaster, but I really like this one so, yes, it might be best to research a new computer and go with the most suitable, regardless of who makes it.

[nn0wheremann]

I love my 27" monitor and really don't want an "all in one" computer. My current computer works fine, but for a bad fan that needs replacing. The other two fans are in perfect shape.

Problem is, my computer is -not- upgradable to Win11, and Win10 will no longer be supported this coming year - and some of the "apps" already don't work on it anymore.

I'm thinking - maybe I could get a new hard drive? Or even an SSD? I'd have to buy Win11 but that's cheap enough, I can get the license and download for less than $50. A new SSD I think can run under $200.

That seems a lot more useful to me than spending $600+ for a new tower.

My current computer comes with an older generation Intel i7, and at 2.8ghz is fast enough for my needs.

The computer itself is not a "true" component computer, but it's also not fully integrated. So I can swap out the hard drive, I'm pretty sure the motherboard is easily removable, I've already reseated the heat sink with new thermal paste so I know that's doable (thanks to villagetinker for the smear of paste).

It's been SOOOO long since I've worked on a computer other than the heat sink, and my CompTIA A+ certification was from back in the days when DOS was still included with Windows so - I'm really not up to speed on technology anymore.

Does adding an SSD or swapping out for an updated hard drive sound like the right move here? Or should I get rid of my beautiful Acer 27" monitor that's only 2 years old and works great, and go for an all-in-one that's cheaper than $500?

My budget is limited. I can go UP TO $500, no matter which way I go. I'd even consider an "out of box" or certified refurbished tower from Best Buy, but it needs to be a new(er) model computer if I go that route instead.

I -will not- buy a Dell. I wouldn't even take on if someone gave it to me. I prefer HP, but I'm not opposed to Acer, Asu, MSI, or even Lenovo.

I prefer a computer that comes with a dvd r/w and it must have a card reader.

Suggestions, things to watch out for, things to avoid, can my idea of keeping my tower and upgrading it work?
Replace the fan, or have it replaced. Download and install Linuxmint from linuxmint.com. Use the full featured “cinnamon” desktop, your computer can handle it. If yo like it, you are done. If not, nothing lost.

[Juliebythesea]

Go to Office Depot they have a smart young man there who seems very sincere when I asked about repairs on mine. I’m taking mine to him tomorrow

I love my 27" monitor and really don't want an "all in one" computer. My current computer works fine, but for a bad fan that needs replacing. The other two fans are in perfect shape.

Problem is, my computer is -not- upgradable to Win11, and Win10 will no longer be supported this coming year - and some of the "apps" already don't work on it anymore.

I'm thinking - maybe I could get a new hard drive? Or even an SSD? I'd have to buy Win11 but that's cheap enough, I can get the license and download for less than $50. A new SSD I think can run under $200.

That seems a lot more useful to me than spending $600+ for a new tower.

My current computer comes with an older generation Intel i7, and at 2.8ghz is fast enough for my needs.

The computer itself is not a "true" component computer, but it's also not fully integrated. So I can swap out the hard drive, I'm pretty sure the motherboard is easily removable, I've already reseated the heat sink with new thermal paste so I know that's doable (thanks to villagetinker for the smear of paste).

It's been SOOOO long since I've worked on a computer other than the heat sink, and my CompTIA A+ certification was from back in the days when DOS was still included with Windows so - I'm really not up to speed on technology anymore.

Does adding an SSD or swapping out for an updated hard drive sound like the right move here? Or should I get rid of my beautiful Acer 27" monitor that's only 2 years old and works great, and go for an all-in-one that's cheaper than $500?

My budget is limited. I can go UP TO $500, no matter which way I go. I'd even consider an "out of box" or certified refurbished tower from Best Buy, but it needs to be a new(er) model computer if I go that route instead.

I -will not- buy a Dell. I wouldn't even take on if someone gave it to me. I prefer HP, but I'm not opposed to Acer, Asu, MSI, or even Lenovo.

I prefer a computer that comes with a dvd r/w and it must have a card reader.

Suggestions, things to watch out for, things to avoid, can my idea of keeping my tower and upgrading it work?

[Cheiro]

Hi, If you are thinking of repairing your old computer, may I recommend Jacob's Computers on 102 Main Street, Wildwood. FL. I have used him for a number of repairs and items and he is very skilled. If you are worried about Windows 10 coming to an end of support, I continue to use Windows 7, as does many of my neighbors here and I have little or no difficulty using my "old" computer. Also, I am given to understand Windows 11 does not work with older, "legacy" equipment (printers, scanners, monitors, etc). I have always felt that, just because something is old, doesn't mean it is no longer any good or useful." Good luck.

[JoelJohnson]

I already have a laptop. I'll need to replace that too once Win10 is completely phased out, since that is also not upgradable to Win11. I let hubby use the laptop and I just bring it with me when I travel sometimes. I hate laptop keyboards, and the mouse pad, the only reason I have it at all, is because I earned it as a top seller for HP when I used to work at Staples. Two laptops, $100 off this computer, three photo printers, one business printer, around $2000 in Starbucks and Chilis gift cards, and six years worth of free Instant Ink for my printers. I gave most of the devices away as gifts or donated to a local food pantry office.

I'm already hooked up. It's just that everything I have is OLD now, and will soon need replacing. I'm trying to prepare for that.

Maybe a Chromebook is for you. I've been using one since 2010.

[retiredguy123]

Hi, If you are thinking of repairing your old computer, may I recommend Jacob's Computers on 102 Main Street, Wildwood. FL. I have used him for a number of repairs and items and he is very skilled. If you are worried about Windows 10 coming to an end of support, I continue to use Windows 7, as does many of my neighbors here and I have little or no difficulty using my "old" computer. Also, I am given to understand Windows 11 does not work with older, "legacy" equipment (printers, scanners, monitors, etc). I have always felt that, just because something is old, doesn't mean it is no longer any good or useful." Good luck.
Can you provide one example of an older printer or monitor that will work with Windows 7 or 10, but will not work with Windows 11? I am very skeptical of that statement.

[donfey]

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Suggestions, things to watch out for, things to avoid, can my idea of keeping my tower and upgrading it work?

If your computer is doing everything you want/need it to do, why "upgrade?" The fan can (and should) be replaced reasonably cheaply. After MS stops "supporting" Windows 10, nothing will change. (When is the last time you called MS for support?). I'd make sure your anti-virus software was kept up, and all files/pictures that can't be replaced are stored OFF the computer, and go happily on. Windows XP still "works!"

Just my opinion.

[retiredguy123]

If your computer is doing everything you want/need it to do, why "upgrade?" The fan can (and should) be replaced reasonably cheaply. After MS stops "supporting" Windows 10, nothing will change. (When is the last time you called MS for support?). I'd make sure your anti-virus software was kept up, and all files/pictures that can't be replaced are stored OFF the computer, and go happily on. Windows XP still "works!"

Just my opinion.
I would just point out that it is not about calling Microsoft for support. Apparently, hackers are always trying to take advantage of security weaknesses in operating systems. That is why Windows is always being updated to address security issues. If they stop doing that with Windows 10, your computer could become vulnerable. At least that is the argument.

I use TurboTax on my hard drive, and I had to upgrade to Windows 11 last year because TurboTax would not even install on my Windows 10 computer.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

I agree that your whole motherboard needs to be replaced to upgrade to Windows 11. There are PC towers out there you can buy that will work. You can have a DVD/CD player installed in most towers. Just verify that you can install it. You may want to check with Dell or Best Buy for help.

As mentioned a couple of times already: I will not consider a Dell. I am on a budget. I already have a tower, the question was - swap out components, or replace the whole shebang? The question was already answered: I can keep everything as is for another year. And then, at that point, I'll be able to afford whatever the heck I want, my budget will have expanded (I start my first social security check in August and will be using some of it to buy a new cell phone, since my old one has android 8 and can't upgrade further, and a couple of my apps no longer work on it as a result).

[Licorice2335]

Quite a few years ago, I bought a tower that was part of a lot retired from a business that came with 10pro and it is still going terrific. We added my hard drive from my old computer and upgraded memory and it is super fast. I use an old vizio tv as the monitor with a $5 adapter. I am still running pro and have not had problems with any programs but I do not use Turbo Tax. If TT will not work on 11, why not stick with older version if tax specifics are still current?

The company is in Fort Lauderdale but will give good advice and probably ship. Search for "Ask Chip" computers. Also Known as H&J Electronics.

[retiredguy123]

Quite a few years ago, I bought a tower that was part of a lot retired from a business that came with 10pro and it is still going terrific. We added my hard drive from my old computer and upgraded memory and it is super fast. I use an old vizio tv as the monitor with a $5 adapter. I am still running pro and have not had problems with any programs but I do not use Turbo Tax. If TT will not work on 11, why not stick with older version if tax specifics are still current?

The company is in Fort Lauderdale but will give good advice and probably ship. Search for "Ask Chip" computers. Also Known as H&J Electronics.
TurboTax will work on Windows 11, but it won't work on Windows 10 or earlier. You need to buy a new version of TurboTax every year to do the current year's tax return.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

If your computer is doing everything you want/need it to do, why "upgrade?" The fan can (and should) be replaced reasonably cheaply. After MS stops "supporting" Windows 10, nothing will change. (When is the last time you called MS for support?). I'd make sure your anti-virus software was kept up, and all files/pictures that can't be replaced are stored OFF the computer, and go happily on. Windows XP still "works!"

Just my opinion.

Support has nothing to do with that. It means they'll cease to offer security updates, making it vulnerable to newer virii, hacking, etc. It also means that the programs you have loaded on it WILL upgrade - and when THEY cease to be backward compatible, they will cease to work on your old computer. That's already happened with one of my old programs that I kept from when I had WinXP. It's already happening with my cell phone too - I can no longer use the Allstate app at all, so I uninstalled it. Google play store even states, when I tried to update it, that I have no devices left that it'll work with.

Yes, the old OSs all work just fine, as long as you use old programs and don't try to update them when updates are available. My OLD cell phone, I now use as an MP3 player because NONE of the apps on it will work on it anymore and in fact, if I try to connect it to wifi, it will try and update the firmware, and get stuck because it -cannot- update. My old Nexus tablet is now a paperweight for the same reason.

The fan doesn't need to be replaced at all. The computer functions fine with it not working, and it is one of three fans, and the other two are functioning at 100%. This is a powerful computer, and was designed to do things that I don't need it to do. I got a deal on it, otherwise I wouldn't have bought this model, I would've gotten a lower-end model.

But now, this model is obsolete, and if I want the functionality I actually use, I'll have to upgrade.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

I would just point out that it is not about calling Microsoft for support. Apparently, hackers are always trying to take advantage of security weaknesses in operating systems. That is why Windows is always being updated to address security issues. If they stop doing that with Windows 10, your computer could become vulnerable. At least that is the argument.

I use TurboTax on my hard drive, and I had to upgrade to Windows 11 last year because TurboTax would not even install on my Windows 10 computer.

You don't have to use TurboTax on your hard drive, you could use the online service. Or you could just - not use TurboTax. I'm fickle when it comes to tax services. For us, free is better. We use the one the IRS recommends, and we don't have to pay for the filing at all since we take the standard deduction and don't itemize.

[retiredguy123]

You don't have to use TurboTax on your hard drive, you could use the online service. Or you could just - not use TurboTax. I'm fickle when it comes to tax services. For us, free is better. We use the one the IRS recommends, and we don't have to pay for the filing at all since we take the standard deduction and don't itemize.
Correct, but I prepare my own return and several other personal returns as well as several trust returns and I prefer to have the TT programs (personal and business) on my hard drive. I am very satisfied with TurboTax and my new Windows 11 HP desktop.

[CoachKandSportsguy]

TurboTax will work on Windows 11, but it won't work on Windows 10 or earlier. You need to buy a new version of TurboTax every year to do the current year's tax return.

Hmmm, I used Turbo Tax Business/Trust version on my Windows 10 laptop this year. . I do the personal on line. . though I realize that its somewhat of a risk. . I guess i need to upgrade with my bonus this year. . have been putting that off as well. . .

For OBB, i would just build a new motherboard for your tower. . The components are easy enough to install and plug in. . however, I have given up on towers and have gone with a laptop after using one for about 10 years or more at work. Prolly because I travel with it on planes, trains and automobiles. . .

If you need a new tower case, I have an extra one i never create a new build with, and you can have it if you want. . its several years old, small and light.

If you want it, i can get the model number, and will ship it you no cost to you, let me know here or pm

[retiredguy123]

Hmmm, I used Turbo Tax Business/Trust version on my Windows 10 laptop this year. . I do the personal on line. . though I realize that its somewhat of a risk. . I guess i need to upgrade with my bonus this year. . have been putting that off as well. . .

For OBB, i would just build a new motherboard for your tower. . The components are easy enough to install and plug in. . however, I have given up on towers and have gone with a laptop after using one for about 10 years or more at work. Prolly because I travel with it on planes, trains and automobiles. . .

If you need a new tower case, I have an extra one i never create a new build with, and you can have it if you want. . its several years old, small and light.

If you want it, i can get the model number, and will ship it you no cost to you, let me know here or pm
You are correct. My bad. The 2022 version of TurboTax will work on Windows 10. As I recall, I had difficulty installing the 2021 version, and the TurboTax screen warned me and highly recommended upgrading my computer to Windows 11. That is when I purchased a new desktop. So, I didn't need to attempt a Windows 10 installation for 2022. So, apparently, TurboTax has delayed their mandatory moved to Windows 11.

[JackB]

I use TurboTax on my hard drive, and I had to upgrade to Windows 11 last year because TurboTax would not even install on my Windows 10 computer.[/QUOTE]

I have Win 10 and installed Turbo Tax this year with no problems. TT was free through Fidelity if that makes a difference.

[retiredguy123]

I use TurboTax on my hard drive, and I had to upgrade to Windows 11 last year because TurboTax would not even install on my Windows 10 computer.

I have Win 10 and installed Turbo Tax this year with no problems. TT was free through Fidelity if that makes a difference.[/QUOTE]
See Post No. 43.

[BrianL]

I love my 27" monitor and really don't want an "all in one" computer. My current computer works fine, but for a bad fan that needs replacing. The other two fans are in perfect shape.

Problem is, my computer is -not- upgradable to Win11, and Win10 will no longer be supported this coming year - and some of the "apps" already don't work on it anymore.

I'm thinking - maybe I could get a new hard drive? Or even an SSD? I'd have to buy Win11 but that's cheap enough, I can get the license and download for less than $50. A new SSD I think can run under $200.

That seems a lot more useful to me than spending $600+ for a new tower.

My current computer comes with an older generation Intel i7, and at 2.8ghz is fast enough for my needs.

The computer itself is not a "true" component computer, but it's also not fully integrated. So I can swap out the hard drive, I'm pretty sure the motherboard is easily removable, I've already reseated the heat sink with new thermal paste so I know that's doable (thanks to villagetinker for the smear of paste).

It's been SOOOO long since I've worked on a computer other than the heat sink, and my CompTIA A+ certification was from back in the days when DOS was still included with Windows so - I'm really not up to speed on technology anymore.

Does adding an SSD or swapping out for an updated hard drive sound like the right move here? Or should I get rid of my beautiful Acer 27" monitor that's only 2 years old and works great, and go for an all-in-one that's cheaper than $500?

My budget is limited. I can go UP TO $500, no matter which way I go. I'd even consider an "out of box" or certified refurbished tower from Best Buy, but it needs to be a new(er) model computer if I go that route instead.

I -will not- buy a Dell. I wouldn't even take on if someone gave it to me. I prefer HP, but I'm not opposed to Acer, Asu, MSI, or even Lenovo.

I prefer a computer that comes with a dvd r/w and it must have a card reader.

Suggestions, things to watch out for, things to avoid, can my idea of keeping my tower and upgrading it work?

Windows 11 has 2 specific requirements that relate to the motherboard/firmware:
1. Unified Extensible Firmware Interface - This is required to enable secure boot
2. Trusted Platform Module (TPM) version 2.0. You must be able to run TPM v2.0.

TPM 2.0 became standard in 2016. If your motherboard doesn't support these, you need a newer motherboard. If you're getting a new motherboard, you'll also need to get new RAM (memory). You can get a motherboard for <$100 as well as memory for <$100. You'll also need a new processor. It all depends on much money you want to spend. You can certainly use your existing case. You'd probably want to get a SSD that would fit into an M.2 slot. If you have windows 10, you can install windows 11 on the new motherboard/SSD and move your license to the new computer, i.e., it will not cost you anything. I've done this multiple times.

You should be able to hookup your existing hard drive to the new motherboard and as such all of your files will be there.

It's not difficult, just time consuming. Good luck.

[retiredguy123]

Windows 11 has 2 specific requirements that relate to the motherboard/firmware:
1. Unified Extensible Firmware Interface - This is required to enable secure boot
2. Trusted Platform Module (TPM) version 2.0. You must be able to run TPM v2.0.

TPM 2.0 became standard in 2016. If your motherboard doesn't support these, you need a newer motherboard. If you're getting a new motherboard, you'll also need to get new RAM (memory). You can get a motherboard for <$100 as well as memory for <$100. You'll also need a new processor. It all depends on much money you want to spend. You can certainly use your existing case. You'd probably want to get a SSD that would fit into an M.2 slot. If you have windows 10, you can install windows 11 on the new motherboard/SSD and move your license to the new computer, i.e., it will not cost you anything. I've done this multiple times.

You should be able to hookup your existing hard drive to the new motherboard and as such all of your files will be there.

It's not difficult, just time consuming. Good luck.
Question. Doesn't the Windows 10 license need to be a Retail license to move it to another computer? If it is an OEM license that came pre-installed, I thought that it cannot be moved to another computer.

[CoachKandSportsguy]

You are correct. My bad. The 2022 version of TurboTax will work on Windows 10. As I recall, I had difficulty installing the 2021 version, and the TurboTax screen warned me and highly recommended upgrading my computer to Windows 11. That is when I purchased a new desktop. So, I didn't need to attempt a Windows 10 installation for 2022. So, apparently, TurboTax has delayed their mandatory moved to Windows 11.

No big deal, I was wondering why mine worked as a different version being biz oriented.

[CoachKandSportsguy]

Question. Doesn't the Windows 10 license need to be a Retail license to move it to another computer? If it is an OEM license that came pre-installed, I thought that it cannot be moved to another computer.

Technically true but are there really hard drive police at MS?

[CoachKandSportsguy]

If you're getting a new motherboard, you'll also need to get new RAM (memory). You can get a motherboard for <$100 as well as memory for <$100. You'll also need a new processor. It all depends on much money you want to spend. You can certainly use your existing case. You'd probably want to get a SSD that would fit into an M.2 slot.

You should be able to hookup your existing hard drive to the new motherboard and as such all of your files will be there.

It's not difficult, just time consuming. Good luck.

I second this solution

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Technically true but are there really hard drive police at MS?

It simply won't work if you try, it's nothing to do with being allowed or not allowed.

[Nucky]

You ruled out my answer sorta like when you were moving into town and had some very specific requirements for your internet service. You are a smart one there OBB. I'll bet you have decided already about the route you will take. I just disassembled two computers that could have saved the day and dismembered an old 27-inch iMac.

I switched over to a Mac Mini several years ago and it was the best computer move I ever made. Wish it could help you but you did say it's a no-go. Good luck.

[ldj1938]

I have a MiniMac for sale for $100. I use two others to track investments. Not exactly true..I sometimes use one as a TV.

[CoachKandSportsguy]

It simply won't work if you try, it's nothing to do with being allowed or not allowed.

somehow i remember doing it after a build with an OEM license, I think I had to deactivate the license and then reactivate it on the new build. . but since that tower is about 10 years old,

your honor, i do not recall

some random internet guy

[Whitley]

I love my 27" monitor and really don't want an "all in one" computer. My current computer works fine, but for a bad fan that needs replacing. The other two fans are in perfect shape.

Problem is, my computer is -not- upgradable to Win11, and Win10 will no longer be supported this coming year - and some of the "apps" already don't work on it anymore.

I'm thinking - maybe I could get a new hard drive? Or even an SSD? I'd have to buy Win11 but that's cheap enough, I can get the license and download for less than $50. A new SSD I think can run under $200.

That seems a lot more useful to me than spending $600+ for a new tower.

My current computer comes with an older generation Intel i7, and at 2.8ghz is fast enough for my needs.

The computer itself is not a "true" component computer, but it's also not fully integrated. So I can swap out the hard drive, I'm pretty sure the motherboard is easily removable, I've already reseated the heat sink with new thermal paste so I know that's doable (thanks to villagetinker for the smear of paste).

It's been SOOOO long since I've worked on a computer other than the heat sink, and my CompTIA A+ certification was from back in the days when DOS was still included with Windows so - I'm really not up to speed on technology anymore.

Does adding an SSD or swapping out for an updated hard drive sound like the right move here? Or should I get rid of my beautiful Acer 27" monitor that's only 2 years old and works great, and go for an all-in-one that's cheaper than $500?

My budget is limited. I can go UP TO $500, no matter which way I go. I'd even consider an "out of box" or certified refurbished tower from Best Buy, but it needs to be a new(er) model computer if I go that route instead.

I -will not- buy a Dell. I wouldn't even take on if someone gave it to me. I prefer HP, but I'm not opposed to Acer, Asu, MSI, or even Lenovo.

I prefer a computer that comes with a dvd r/w and it must have a card reader.

Suggestions, things to watch out for, things to avoid, can my idea of keeping my tower and upgrading it work?

Don't get hungup on it having a card reader. As long as you have a spare USB, a card reader will cost as little as 20.00

[retiredguy123]

somehow i remember doing it after a build with an OEM license, I think I had to deactivate the license and then reactivate it on the new build. . but since that tower is about 10 years old,

your honor, i do not recall

some random internet guy
As I understand it, The Windows license restrictions were changed several years ago. In the past, you were allowed to move an OEM Windows software program from an old computer to a new computer. But, today, the pre-installed Windows software is only licensed for one computer and it cannot be moved. Microsoft controls this by recording specific metrics on every computer. These are things, such as the hard drive size and model, the motherboard model and serial number, the type of graphics card, etc. So, when you try to reinstall a Windows program on a different computer, Microsoft knows that you are trying to violate the license, and rejects the installation. At least that is the way I think it works.

[CoachKandSportsguy]

As I understand it, The Windows license restrictions were changed several years ago. In the past, you were allowed to move an OEM Windows software program from an old computer to a new computer. But, today, the pre-installed Windows software is only licensed for one computer and it cannot be moved. Microsoft controls this by recording specific metrics on every computer. These are things, such as the hard drive size and model, the motherboard model and serial number, the type of graphics card, etc. So, when you try to reinstall a Windows program on a different computer, Microsoft knows that you are trying to violate the license, and rejects the installation. At least that is the way I think it works.

And that I understand and that has changed since I last built a tower. .
Thanks! the technical name for the specific data is telemetry i believe

but i still go for a Dell Laptop over any other laptop, having used Dell since 1993
my current 7 year old laptop does more than my current work laptop, and only Windows
11 is sinking it. . but the new laptop will be linux so minimize the virus attack surface

some other random internet guy

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

And that I understand and that has changed since I last built a tower. .
Thanks! the technical name for the specific data is telemetry i believe

but i still go for a Dell Laptop over any other laptop, having used Dell since 1993
my current 7 year old laptop does more than my current work laptop, and only Windows
11 is sinking it. . but the new laptop will be linux so minimize the virus attack surface

some other random internet guy

We used to repair Dell computers at the university. That was the brand they contracted with, so every department, every office, had a Dell. They were the worst with customer service, the worst with IT, the worst with parts and peripherals. If you ordered memory, it'd come cracked and unusable. If you called to tell them you needed it replaced, they'd stick you on hold for an hour, then disconnect you. The parts themselves were inferior. They used AMD instead of Intel, which at the time was vastly inferior to Intel but also less expensive. They always took the cheapest way out of everything, including the really crappy quality plastic shells of their monitors.

Macs were just as bad, but in the opposite direction. If something went wrong, well it was all integrated. That means - permanently attached to the rest. If you had a problem with part of your computer, you had to replace the whole computer. At the time, a Mac was more expensive than an IBM clone, so Apple made a lovely fortune replacing bad computers the year after the warranty ran out.

If I won a brand new Dell, delivered to my home and set up by a professional, I'd tell them to skip the setup and I'd donate it to a battered womens' shelter. And then I'd buy an HP and set it up myself.

[Salty Dog]

Bought my wife one of these about 5 months ago for $225 from Amazon. She loves it. Was able to use her monitor and keyboard with it. You can get a faster processor including Intels for less than $500.

Beelink U59 Pro Mini PC with Processor N5105,16G DDR4 500G SSD Mini Desktop Computer, Support 2.4G/5G Dual WiFi, Dual NIC LAN, BT4.0, Dual HDMI Business Mini Computer.

[Freehiker]

Use Rufus to create a Windows 11 ISO and you can remove the TPM requirements, which will allow you to install W11 on almost any PC.

[CoachKandSportsguy]

If I won a brand new Dell, delivered to my home and set up by a professional, I'd tell them to skip the setup and I'd donate it to a battered womens' shelter. And then I'd buy an HP and set it up myself.

Geez, OBB, i think your purchasing department is at fault, but I digress. And i get your experience, i just didn't have that with 30 years of use of Macs and Dell towers and laptops, especially my current one of 7 years old and going strong even after I performed several upgrade surgeries myself. . . and i started on a MAC for 10 years prior to going to Dell.

Lenovos suck with the old IBM mentality. I remember going with a friend to buy an IBM tower in 1989, and they had suits on. Went down the street and got a custom built way cheaper.

random IT guy

[cjrjck]

If you aren't into high end gaming, my suggestion would be something with a Ryzen 5600G processor. A fast processor with integrated graphics that can perform as well as many low end graphics cards. Meaning you get the best of both worlds without the need to add a graphics card. There are plenty of prebuilts available at your price range. I would suggest avoiding Dell and HP since they tend to use proprietary parts. Dell uses non standard motherboards for instance. You should be able to get a system with a Ryzen 5600G, 16GB RAM, 1TB NVME SSD, a 500 watt power supply, a USB wifi adapter, and an aiflow case with Windows 11 installed for your price range. And you get to keep your monitor.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

If you aren't into high end gaming, my suggestion would be something with a Ryzen 5600G processor. A fast processor with integrated graphics that can perform as well as many low end graphics cards. Meaning you get the best of both worlds without the need to add a graphics card. There are plenty of prebuilts available at your price range. I would suggest avoiding Dell and HP since they tend to use proprietary parts. Dell uses non standard motherboards for instance. You should be able to get a system with a Ryzen 5600G, 16GB RAM, 1TB NVME SSD, a 500 watt power supply, a USB wifi adapter, and an aiflow case with Windows 11 installed for your price range.

I'm into text gaming, so graphics cards aren't needed for that at all. What I need graphics for is - watching movies and Netflix on my computer, and occasional desktop publishing functions that I do for my volunteer gig (I created the flyers, do some photo editing with it but very limited).

I like HP, but I've been an HP girl since I replaced my 9-pin dot matrix printer in 1989 with an ink jet printer. My laptop, printer, and desktop are all hp. The bloatware I can live without, but unless you build your own computer one component at a time, you're stuck with bloatware.

[cjrjck]

One challenge is price. Apple is out of the question. The other is the DVD and card reader. DVD drives and even card readers have gone the way of the VCR on many modern PCs. Like you, I still use them occasionally. A few systems still have them but they look like they were built 10 years ago. The solution is a USB portable DVD drive / card reader like this : https://www.amazon.com/ORIGBELIE-External-Burner-Optical-Windows/dp/B09BC44T8K/ref=sr_1_2?crid=3GQM6IH0I81KB&keywords=usb+dvd+card&qid=1683032907&sprefix=usb+dvd+card+%2Caps%2C142&sr=8-2

Once set up, you just plug them into your computer and you are ready to go. When not needed, stash them in a drawer.