Walmart in The Villages...petition to support legalization of marijuana

[jayerose]

A young lady was walking around asking if customers supported legalization of marijuana...I saw people filling out the form which asked for their name, address, phone number and date of birth.

I reported it to customer service and they called someone to investigate; not sure if they found her.

[dewilson58]

They have been at the town squares.

Going to happen more and more until it passes.

[jayerose]

So maybe not a scam operation?

[manaboutown]

Druggies!

[badkarma318]

Don't let the dopers get a foothold, as then you'll have to send for Cartman to disperse the burned-out hippies.

[Malsua]

Don't let the dopers get a foothold, as then you'll have to send for Cartman to disperse the burned-out hippies.

Maybe we should get an armor bus and start singing...

California...super cool to the homeless.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsrBlKpbBS8

[Bay Kid]

Too much info to give to a stranger.

[ThirdOfFive]

A young lady was walking around asking if customers supported legalization of marijuana...I saw people filling out the form which asked for their name, address, phone number and date of birth.

I reported it to customer service and they called someone to investigate; not sure if they found her.
Unless this young lady had the permission of Wal-Mart management--then no. She shouldn't be there. Public space is one thing. Wal-Mart (or any store w/o permission) is quite another.

But all that aside--more than about time! We're in the second half-century of this ridiculous "war on drugs" and we've been losing it since it was declared by Richard Nixon.

[DAVES]

Unless this young lady had the permission of Wal-Mart management--then no. She shouldn't be there. Public space is one thing. Wal-Mart (or any store w/o permission) is quite another.

But all that aside--more than about time! We're in the second half-century of this ridiculous "war on drugs" and we've been losing it since it was declared by Richard Nixon.

We seem to use WORDS to excess. Terms like awesome, have been so overused that they loose all real meaning. A 'war" on drugs if we are fighting a war we are fighting to loose. We could put drugs on the street that would turn people say green and simply pick em up.

As far as giving people information we do it far to frequently. ID theft. We do not even know how many places have your date of birth, address etc and have very questionable ability to protect this information. Your doctor, your bank, Medicare all come to mind. Heck in college your student ID was your social security number. We went to one of those investment seminars. Free lunch kind of stuff regularly offered. They of course are fishing for customers. People feel obligated due to free lunch. They had out forms and people were giving them name address phone, net worth where their money is. I left mine blank

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

We seem to use WORDS to excess. Terms like awesome, have been so overused that they loose all real meaning. A 'war" on drugs if we are fighting a war we are fighting to loose. We could put drugs on the street that would turn people say green and simply pick em up.

As far as giving people information we do it far to frequently. ID theft. We do not even know how many places have your date of birth, address etc and have very questionable ability to protect this information. Your doctor, your bank, Medicare all come to mind. Heck in college your student ID was your social security number. We went to one of those investment seminars. Free lunch kind of stuff regularly offered. They of course are fishing for customers. People feel obligated due to free lunch. They had out forms and people were giving them name address phone, net worth where their money is. I left mine blank

I went to a seminar the other day hosted by UFH, about brain tumor treatment and patient support. It was at the Brownwood Hotel. We had a continental breakfast, then a couple hours of the seminar, then a full buffet lunch, which was truly delicious. We weren't asked to fill out a single form, or sign an attendance sheet, or show any ID at all.

It was informative and appreciated.

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

I have a friend who said she signed that petition at Walmart , she also said the woman who asked her was outside Walmart . I haven’t seen them at the squares but I’ll sign if I do see them .The laws on marijuana are so archaic and ruining peoples lives , some places in fl the cops will arrest you ,other places they’ll tell you to put it out and still others will ignore you completely , There are many states now including my home state of Massachusetts it’s legal and the sky hasn’t fallen . Marijuana is is a wonderful way to relax , have a little wine ,listen to some music , just feel better in a very pleasant way . It should be used in moderation just like alcohol, I started at 14 and still using at 84 ,I never smoked cigarettes , I had a very, stressful , dangerous life around the world and very successful at it so much so that I have a 6 figure pension ,I’m still an athlete at the gym and then biking ,walking and some running in the heat of the afternoon , I’m not saying this to brag but only to show that marijuana shouldn’t be demonized, it can be helpful not just to get high but especially for older people a better you and Miles and Coltrane always sound better with weed lol

[Bogie Shooter]

I have a friend who said she signed that petition at Walmart , she also said the woman who asked her was outside Walmart . I haven’t seen them at the squares but I’ll sign if I do see them .The laws on marijuana are so archaic and ruining peoples lives , some places in fl the cops will arrest you ,other places they’ll tell you to put it out and still others will ignore you completely , There are many states now including my home state of Massachusetts it’s legal and the sky hasn’t fallen . Marijuana is is a wonderful way to relax , have a little wine ,listen to some music , just feel better in a very pleasant way . It should be used in moderation just like alcohol, I started at 14 and still using at 84 ,I never smoked cigarettes , I had a very, stressful , dangerous life around the world and very successful at it so much so that I have a 6 figure pension ,I’m still an athlete at the gym and then biking ,walking and some running in the heat of the afternoon , I’m not saying this to brag but only to show that marijuana shouldn’t be demonized, it can be helpful not just to get high but especially for older people a better you and Miles and Coltrane always sound better with weed lol

Charlie, did you ever meet Chatbrat who used to post on here?

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

No should I have,

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

Charlie, did you ever meet Chatbrat who used to post on here? ha ha I looked back at some now I see why you said that

[VApeople]

In 1969 I was a grad student at Univ. of Florida and I hung out with some people who often smoked marijuana. They were very nice low-key people and didn't seem to mind that I just passed the 'joint' from one person to another without taking a puff myself. One night I left our apartment to go for a dip in the pool, and when I came back, they were all sound asleep.

Over time, I definitely noticed a change in their behavior. They didn't seem as sharp mentally as they were before, and I suspect it was due to the long-term effects of marijuana. Based on what I observed, I think marijuana use should be illegal.

[Jayhawk]

Charlie, did you ever meet Chatbrat who used to post on here?

Nominated for Best Post of the Day.

[roob1]

You feel it should be illegal based on one set of "observations" over a period of time, of people that you likely had little knowledge of their intellectual and social/emotional backgrounds. Hardly a scientific method.



In 1969 I was a grad student at Univ. of Florida and I hung out with some people who often smoked marijuana. They were very nice low-key people and didn't seem to mind that I just passed the 'joint' from one person to another without taking a puff myself. One night I left our apartment to go for a dip in the pool, and when I came back, they were all sound asleep.

Over time, I definitely noticed a change in their behavior. They didn't seem as sharp mentally as they were before, and I suspect it was due to the long-term effects of marijuana. Based on what I observed, I think marijuana use should be illegal.

[Bogie Shooter]

In 1969 I was a grad student at Univ. of Florida and I hung out with some people who often smoked marijuana. They were very nice low-key people and didn't seem to mind that I just passed the 'joint' from one person to another without taking a puff myself. One night I left our apartment to go for a dip in the pool, and when I came back, they were all sound asleep.

Over time, I definitely noticed a change in their behavior. They didn't seem as sharp mentally as they were before, and I suspect it was due to the long-term effects of marijuana. Based on what I observed, I think marijuana use should be illegal.
This study should be published in The Journal.

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

In 1969 I was a grad student at Univ. of Florida and I hung out with some people who often smoked marijuana. They were very nice low-key people and didn't seem to mind that I just passed the 'joint' from one person to another without taking a puff myself. One night I left our apartment to go for a dip in the pool, and when I came back, they were all sound asleep.

Over time, I definitely noticed a change in their behavior. They didn't seem as sharp mentally as they were before, and I suspect it was due to the long-term effects of marijuana. Based on what I observed, I think marijuana use should be illegal. thank you doctor for your wonderful observations ,I know it must have taken much time and hard work to study that large focus group that you assembled to come to this conclusion

[Babubhat]

Meaningless document that exposes your information for marketing

[manaboutown]

In 1969 I was a grad student at Univ. of Florida and I hung out with some people who often smoked marijuana. They were very nice low-key people and didn't seem to mind that I just passed the 'joint' from one person to another without taking a puff myself. One night I left our apartment to go for a dip in the pool, and when I came back, they were all sound asleep.

Over time, I definitely noticed a change in their behavior. They didn't seem as sharp mentally as they were before, and I suspect it was due to the long-term effects of marijuana. Based on what I observed, I think marijuana use should be illegal.

Back in the mid to late 1960s I noticed the same sort of changes in several people I knew who started and then continued to regularly smoke marijuana. Their ambition to succeed in life diminished. They ceased planning ahead and setting goals. Their cognitive abilities suffered. Their hygiene and personal appearance deteriorated as well. And the dope back then was very weak compared to what is smoked today.

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

I think to many of you have watched that movie reefer madness to many times

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

Back in the mid to late 1960s I noticed the same sort of changes in several people I knew who started and then continued to regularly smoke marijuana. Their ambition to succeed in life diminished. They ceased planning ahead and setting goals. Their cognitive abilities suffered. Their hygiene and personal appearance deteriorated as well. And the dope back then was very weak compared to what is smoked today.
I think my fondness for weed is worked the others way , I’m always shopping for clothes and have to much Amani , Hugo Boss and new Nike gear in my closets , I also get pedicure and manicure and have my whole upper body waxed , maybe if I stop smoking weed I could get over this addiction and start looking like all the other villages guys in rumpled shorts , bad haircuts and worn down sneakers and they wonder why there back hurts

[AJ32162]

I have a friend who said she signed that petition at Walmart , she also said the woman who asked her was outside Walmart . I haven’t seen them at the squares but I’ll sign if I do see them .The laws on marijuana are so archaic and ruining peoples lives , some places in fl the cops will arrest you ,other places they’ll tell you to put it out and still others will ignore you completely , There are many states now including my home state of Massachusetts it’s legal and the sky hasn’t fallen . Marijuana is is a wonderful way to relax , have a little wine ,listen to some music , just feel better in a very pleasant way . It should be used in moderation just like alcohol, I started at 14 and still using at 84 ,I never smoked cigarettes , I had a very, stressful , dangerous life around the world and very successful at it so much so that I have a 6 figure pension ,I’m still an athlete at the gym and then biking ,walking and some running in the heat of the afternoon , I’m not saying this to brag but only to show that marijuana shouldn’t be demonized, it can be helpful not just to get high but especially for older people a better you and Miles and Coltrane always sound better with weed lol

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[fdpaq0580]

Miles and Coltrane always sound better with weed lol

What works for one doesn't necessarily work for everyone.
I very occasionally enjoy a shot of very old scotch. But smoke of any kind makes me ill. And my scotch enhances my enjoyment of the late Jeff Beck, and vice-versa.

[VApeople]

And the dope back then was very weak compared to what is smoked today.

I suspect that what you say is true. The marijuana smokers that I associated with did not have much money, and they probably got 'dime bags' that had been 'cut' with some harmless material like oregano.

Personally I have no real idea what they were smoking because, as I said in my original post, I was in grad school and could not risk losing a single brain cell.

[MrChip72]

There's currently perhaps a dozen places that sell Delta-8,9,10 vapes plus pre-rolled marijuana cigs in Wildwood, Oxford, Lady Lake, and Leesburg. These places are apparently legal at least at the state level from what I can tell. I'm not sure what the whole hoopla is here. I don't use it, but I don't have a problem with others that do, it should not be treated on the same level legally as hard drugs as it is at the federal level.

[Two Bills]

I think all drugs should be legalized and manufactured and sold by all Governments.
All profits put against National Debts.
Should clear all debt within a year or two. :icon_wink:

[Ruth Garza]

I have been a substance abuse counselor for 30 years. I have seen the long and short effects of marijuana on young and old. Before anyone makes a decision on legalization you need to learn the facts and not from a person or organization that stands to profit. VA People makes an excellent point, but marijuana is far more pervasive and pernicious that just causing mental fog. There are many people and organizations out there preying on the stupidity of marijuana smokers and anyone who gives that much info to strangers on petitions is case in point.

[Blackbird45]

Most of us who live here in The Villages are in the twilight of our years.
When you reach a certain age, you should be given a card that lets you do whatever you want.
Social Security and a joint.

[MandoMan]

I went to a seminar the other day hosted by UFH, about brain tumor treatment and patient support. It was at the Brownwood Hotel. We had a continental breakfast, then a couple hours of the seminar, then a full buffet lunch, which was truly delicious. We weren't asked to fill out a single form, or sign an attendance sheet, or show any ID at all.

It was informative and appreciated.

But did they treat you for brain cancer?

[Chamo]

This place will be like NY with every one smoking it and stinking up the air. What’s next smoking in the restaurant & bars soon. No way

[Bilyclub]

Legalizing weed did wonders in Colorado. The taxes on legal weed are astronomical.

[JMintzer]

This place will be like NY with every one smoking it and stinking up the air. What’s next smoking in the restaurant & bars soon. No way

Do they have smoking in restaurants and bars in NY?

No? Then why would you think it would happen in TV?

[JMintzer]

I think all drugs should be legalized and manufactured and sold by all Governments.
All profits put against National Debts.
Should clear all debt within a year or two. :icon_wink:

Yes, that would be nice... But it'll never happen...

I remember fondly when they said that the Maryland Lottery was going to be used to fund schools... Never happened... The just use the $$$ as a windfall and waste it on other crap...

[paulajr]

A young lady was walking around asking if customers supported legalization of marijuana...I saw people filling out the form which asked for their name, address, phone number and date of birth.

I reported it to customer service and they called someone to investigate; not sure if they found her.

Not exactly. The people are out with petitions to get the question ON THE BALLOT for the next election. They don’t care if you are for or against.
That’s how it works….

[bpauley]

She chased me in the rain to my car. It gave red flag warnings to me and I jumped in the car and locked the door. I was thinking who would have paper forms out in the rain and figured it was a set up. They need to be more careful or they may wind up being maced!

[tophcfa]

We live in a hypocritical world influenced by social beliefs and corporate dollars where for some twisted reason marijuana is considered harmful relative to alcohol?

[airstreamingypsy]

Wanna fall asleep, and get a good night's sleep? Gummies. No need to smoke weed, you can eat it in delicious flavored gummies. It's ridiculous, that marijuana is illegal and thousands of people are arrested and spending time in prison for having it. Of the 8.2 million marijuana arrests between 2001 and 2010, 88% were for simply having marijuana.

[PugMom]

I have a friend who said she signed that petition at Walmart , she also said the woman who asked her was outside Walmart . I haven’t seen them at the squares but I’ll sign if I do see them .The laws on marijuana are so archaic and ruining peoples lives , some places in fl the cops will arrest you ,other places they’ll tell you to put it out and still others will ignore you completely , There are many states now including my home state of Massachusetts it’s legal and the sky hasn’t fallen . Marijuana is is a wonderful way to relax , have a little wine ,listen to some music , just feel better in a very pleasant way . It should be used in moderation just like alcohol, I started at 14 and still using at 84 ,I never smoked cigarettes , I had a very, stressful , dangerous life around the world and very successful at it so much so that I have a 6 figure pension ,I’m still an athlete at the gym and then biking ,walking and some running in the heat of the afternoon , I’m not saying this to brag but only to show that marijuana shouldn’t be demonized, it can be helpful not just to get high but especially for older people a better you and Miles and Coltrane always sound better with weed lol

you shouldn't have to look very hard, i've seen these girls just about everywhere. yes, their intent is to support recreational weed for state of Fl., & there are several of them hanging around local dispensaries-clipboards ready to go, lol

[Whitley]

In 1969 I was a grad student at Univ. of Florida and I hung out with some people who often smoked marijuana. They were very nice low-key people and didn't seem to mind that I just passed the 'joint' from one person to another without taking a puff myself. One night I left our apartment to go for a dip in the pool, and when I came back, they were all sound asleep.

Over time, I definitely noticed a change in their behavior. They didn't seem as sharp mentally as they were before, and I suspect it was due to the long-term effects of marijuana. Based on what I observed, I think marijuana use should be illegal.

We will probably be fried for this, but I agree mostly with what you said. I think it does negatively affect someones drive or ambition. Having said that, so does valium, xanax, halcion, wine etc.. If someone wants to smoke or eat a gummi, why should I care. Are there any studies showing that marijuana users are more likely to be on public assistance? Other than that we need to fins a way where state laws do not contradict federal laws in regards to this.

[Whitley]

I think all drugs should be legalized and manufactured and sold by all Governments.
All profits put against National Debts.
Should clear all debt within a year or two. :icon_wink:

They said the same thing about legalizing marijuana in Colorado back when. I wonder if their financial status has improved as much as they thought it would.

[Whitley]

Legalizing weed did wonders in Colorado. The taxes on legal weed are astronomical.

Are they so high that people (are the taxes so high, not the people) still get it illegally?

[roob1]

Another "valid" study. From my experiences, the pot in the 70's was as strong as what is available today.


Back in the mid to late 1960s I noticed the same sort of changes in several people I knew who started and then continued to regularly smoke marijuana. Their ambition to succeed in life diminished. They ceased planning ahead and setting goals. Their cognitive abilities suffered. Their hygiene and personal appearance deteriorated as well. And the dope back then was very weak compared to what is smoked today.

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

She chased me in the rain to my car. It gave red flag warnings to me and I jumped in the car and locked the door. I was thinking who would have paper forms out in the rain and figured it was a set up. They need to be more careful or they may wind up being maced!hmmmmm a petition server who may or not be getting paid and may or not care whether it’s legal chased you to your car in the rain , WELL IF YOU SAY SO

[Joe C.]

The stuff STINKS! We don't need it being smoked in public.

Then, there's the small problem of federal regulations. Those marijuana stores in states where it is legal, can't use the banks for their business (deposits, checking, savings etc.).
Maybe they have to launder it?

[roob1]

Having come from the mental health field myself, you need to consider that those who use marijuana and seek help, are not necessarily representative of the population of users. They are more likely to have pre-existing mental health issues that may cause what you may think are pot-related effects. There are likely far more users out there who function adequately and lead "normal" lives, despite using pot.



I have been a substance abuse counselor for 30 years. I have seen the long and short effects of marijuana on young and old. Before anyone makes a decision on legalization you need to learn the facts and not from a person or organization that stands to profit. VA People makes an excellent point, but marijuana is far more pervasive and pernicious that just causing mental fog. There are many people and organizations out there preying on the stupidity of marijuana smokers and anyone who gives that much info to strangers on petitions is case in point.

[GATORBILL66]

A young lady was walking around asking if customers supported legalization of marijuana...I saw people filling out the form which asked for their name, address, phone number and date of birth.

I reported it to customer service and they called someone to investigate; not sure if they found her.

Why would anyone want recreational marijuana in Florida? People are crazy enough without being on drugs.

[PugMom]

thank you doctor for your wonderful observations ,I know it must have taken much time and hard work to study that large focus group that you assembled to come to this conclusion

in defense of brother charlie, i see where some may be concerned about kids who would be able to access it more frequently. many of you know i'm a medical user, so i have no qualms to the idea. when i went to visit my daughter in a Mass. college a few years back, it was EVERYWHERE in the dorms & streets. i guess it's all about the individual & their response to it? certainly laws would be needed to address underage use, & more studies done to judge the long term effects

[GoldenBoy]

A young lady was walking around asking if customers supported legalization of marijuana...I saw people filling out the form which asked for their name, address, phone number and date of birth.

I reported it to customer service and they called someone to investigate; not sure if they found her.

Why did you report her. Standard questions for a petition drive.

[GoldenBoy]

Wanna fall asleep, and get a good night's sleep? Gummies. No need to smoke weed, you can eat it in delicious flavored gummies. It's ridiculous, that marijuana is illegal and thousands of people are arrested and spending time in prison for having it. Of the 8.2 million marijuana arrests between 2001 and 2010, 88% were for simply having marijuana.

Same stuff, just a different format.

[GoldenBoy]

She chased me in the rain to my car. It gave red flag warnings to me and I jumped in the car and locked the door. I was thinking who would have paper forms out in the rain and figured it was a set up. They need to be more careful or they may wind up being maced!

Great first thought. Mace 'em!

[jayerose]

I asked Customer Service if she was allowed to do that in the store and their answer was no.

[Daddymac]

Druggies!

Flat out Druggies :bigbow: They Smoked a joint :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl::boom:

[Daddymac]

You feel it should be illegal based on one set of "observations" over a period of time, of people that you likely had little knowledge of their intellectual and social/emotional backgrounds. Hardly a scientific method.

O. K. :1rotfl::1rotfl::mademyday:

[NoMoSno]

Still waiting for reliable tests for law enforcement to do field sobriety tests.
Too many are DUI.
Todays strains are much more potent.
You don't just drive slow...You are impaired.

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

in defense of brother charlie, i see where some may be concerned about kids who would be able to access it more frequently. many of you know i'm a medical user, so i have no qualms to the idea. when i went to visit my daughter in a Mass. college a few years back, it was EVERYWHERE in the dorms & streets. i guess it's all about the individual & their response to it? certainly laws would be needed to address underage use, & more studies done to judge the long term effects I agree that there should be more to keep underage kids from using marijuana or alcohol , but that ship I think has sailed .I do think that being made legal in many states has taken away some of the mystique of the drug , some people make the case that if you outlawed broccoli , kids would be looking to score some and one thing I’m sure of it’s going to keep many lives from being ruined by marijuana laws that make no sense . I don’t believe in the statement that this or that is a gateway drug , no one sets out to be an alcoholic or drug addict there are just to many variables to make a solid case of why . I will not change my view that marijuana is a wonder drug that can help people in so many ways both medically, socially and just relaxing , I watched many of the people I grew up become very sick from cigarettes which I never smoked so I guess the weed I smoked was better for me , again as I’ve said before everything in moderation. The smoking of marijuana didn’t make me a non smoker , my mother told me if I smoked I wouldn’t grow ,I believed her , well she lied I didn’t grow , 5ft 6 but I have great lungs lol ,and not growing defined my whole crazy life around the world and the reason I’m still pushing myself at 84

[Regorp]

A young lady was walking around asking if customers supported legalization of marijuana...I saw people filling out the form which asked for their name, address, phone number and date of birth.

I reported it to customer service and they called someone to investigate; not sure if they found her.

Simply ignore and walk by. Easy peasy.

[Triker]

Giving them that info is just asking for trouble! No way would I do that!

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

Oh please people sign all kinds of petitions all the time ,how do you suppose all these ballot questions get voted on , if you don’t want to sign just move on IT’S NO BIG DEAL PEOPLE , AND IT’S NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS

[golfing eagles]

I went to a seminar the other day hosted by UFH, about brain tumor treatment and patient support. It was at the Brownwood Hotel. We had a continental breakfast, then a couple hours of the seminar, then a full buffet lunch, which was truly delicious. We weren't asked to fill out a single form, or sign an attendance sheet, or show any ID at all.

It was informative and appreciated.

Not referring to you, but there are 3-4 posters on TOTV that could use brain tumor therapy :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[Bill14564]

Giving them that info is just asking for trouble! No way would I do that!

Giving that information is the only way for citizens to get an item onto the ballot.

It is important to know if signatures are being collected for a petition from a registered committee or just someone out to collect names and dates of birth. I don't know how to determine that, but there ought to be a way.

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

They usually have an ID

[tophcfa]

Dam, they want more information to sign a petition than what is required to vote?

[jparsoneau@aol.com]

It is truly amazing how many people put their opinion out there that are truly uneducated on the subject. They know nothing about. I come from the state of Oregon, where marijuana has been legalized for years. And like anything there’s always good and bad in any situation. But we have people on here comparing marijuana back to studies in 1960s and their beliefs back in 1960s. Regardless, if you like it or not, it is some thing that is coming, and they will be more and more petitions to legalize it until it finally gets legalized just like they did in Oregon and Colorado and other medical states. And then comes the recreational. It is truly not much different than beer. It is not spread out through the street. You have to be 21 years of age to use it. You have to show ID to purchase it if you choose to purchase it. and you cannot go around public and smoke it in public places . Most public places are non-smoking anything anyways. I have personally known many people who have got help and relief from CBD and THC. If you don’t know the difference, you should Google it and learn the difference.
I’m not proposing for it or against it. I’m just saying, most of you people don’t even know what you’re talking about. Unfortunately in Oregon, we pretty much decriminalize/legalized all drugs in Oregon which I definitely do not agree with. But it will eventually pass like it or not, it is just a matter of win, and then you will have some cities and counties who will allow it and some that will not allow it. And it will also be taxed heavily. And control the same pretty much as alcohol. And marijuana is considered a class one drug right now, which is the same as heroin and meth and cocaine. So if you believe marijuana is the same as meth and cocaine and heroin, then you should leave it illegal. If not, you should at least try to change the laws on it. Somebody smoking a joint in their own home, should not go to jail.

[Bill14564]

Dam, they want more information to sign a petition than what is required to vote?

Pretty sure I provided more information than that when I registered to vote.

[Number 10 GI]

Nothing to worry about here. Giving out all the information needed to steal your identity to a total stranger is a really smart move, NOT! It smells as much like scam as sewage stinks.

[kansasr]

Just to clarify, the Florida constitutional amendment initiative petition form DOES NOT require your phone number. Your name, address and either your Florida voter registration number or your date of birth. (If you want to check on the division of elections website it's form DS-DE 155A. You want to change laws in Florida, this is the only way to do it.

[jimjamuser]

Don't let the dopers get a foothold, as then you'll have to send for Cartman to disperse the burned-out hippies.
I must be completely out of touch because I do NOT get the Cartman reference???????

[jimjamuser]

Unless this young lady had the permission of Wal-Mart management--then no. She shouldn't be there. Public space is one thing. Wal-Mart (or any store w/o permission) is quite another.

But all that aside--more than about time! We're in the second half-century of this ridiculous "war on drugs" and we've been losing it since it was declared by Richard Nixon.
Compared to the 100 thousand or so deaths/ year due to Fentanyl in the US, marijuana is very small potatoes. It may even act to prevent the harsher drugs from becoming established.

[jimjamuser]

In 1969 I was a grad student at Univ. of Florida and I hung out with some people who often smoked marijuana. They were very nice low-key people and didn't seem to mind that I just passed the 'joint' from one person to another without taking a puff myself. One night I left our apartment to go for a dip in the pool, and when I came back, they were all sound asleep.

Over time, I definitely noticed a change in their behavior. They didn't seem as sharp mentally as they were before, and I suspect it was due to the long-term effects of marijuana. Based on what I observed, I think marijuana use should be illegal.
One person is a statistic of one.......basically meaningless. There are much bigger studies about marijuana that could be looked up and would have actual meaning.

[jimjamuser]

I think my fondness for weed is worked the others way , I’m always shopping for clothes and have to much Amani , Hugo Boss and new Nike gear in my closets , I also get pedicure and manicure and have my whole upper body waxed , maybe if I stop smoking weed I could get over this addiction and start looking like all the other villages guys in rumpled shorts , bad haircuts and worn down sneakers and they wonder why there back hurts
I am not a certified Physician but, I do know that there is ZERO relationship between back pain and rumpled shorts, bad sneakers, and bad haircuts. And if I EVER, EVER, EVER get a body wax then, please assassinate me!

[jimjamuser]

What works for one doesn't necessarily work for everyone.
I very occasionally enjoy a shot of very old scotch. But smoke of any kind makes me ill. And my scotch enhances my enjoyment of the late Jeff Beck, and vice-versa.
"And visa-versa"? Does that mean that HE likes YOU better when he is scotched up? Inquiring minds want to know!

[daveczo]

I agree with you 100%. Helps in so many ways. Pain management and relaxation. Also, listening to jazz and classic rock.

[Marmaduke]

Hey Wax, Buff and Shine,

Many here in TV have 6 and 7 figure retirement incomes, but didn't have a dangerous job throughout their careers.

I do, and I didn't. Lucky me!

I guess the constant danger you faced elicited the need to "chill" by smokin' the weed and wearing Nikeweisers. Good for you!
Are you harry bosch?

I don't get the obsession with waxing, mani/pedi.

[jimjamuser]

I suspect that what you say is true. The marijuana smokers that I associated with did not have much money, and they probably got 'dime bags' that had been 'cut' with some harmless material like oregano.

Personally I have no real idea what they were smoking because, as I said in my original post, I was in grad school and could not risk losing a single brain cell.
A long time ago in a place far, far away (Pittsburgh), a newspaper did a study of what was used to "cut" the WEED and Rat Poison was used more than Oregano. Sad as that is to report. That Rat Poison might be the reason that continuous users of WEED became less alert.
........And that story goes a long way toward explaining why it is good to legalize it and get some standards of production and quality.

[jimjamuser]

I think all drugs should be legalized and manufactured and sold by all Governments.
All profits put against National Debts.
Should clear all debt within a year or two. :icon_wink:
Yes, plus there is the added benefit that by legalizing something the state and other legitimate business owners get the profits that would otherwise go to gangs and organized crime.

[jimjamuser]

Legalizing weed did wonders in Colorado. The taxes on legal weed are astronomical.
That would help out with money for PUBLIC schools, public roads, and libraries.

[NoMoSno]

Yes, plus there is the added benefit that by legalizing something the state and other legitimate business owners get the profits that would otherwise go to gangs and organized crime.
Yet some states tax so much many continue to buy from the black market. Unfortunately, the cartels are still thriving.

California’s legal weed industry can’t compete with illicit market - POLITICO (https://www.politico.com/news/2021/10/23/california-legal-illicit-weed-market-516868)
California cannabis: Despair in Emerald Triangle- CalMatters (https://calmatters.org/newsletters/whatmatters/2023/02/california-cannabis-emerald-triangle/)
Craft cannabis industry in California is '''on the brink of collapse,''' advocates say (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/-brink-collapse-california-pot-businesses-call-tax-overhaul-rcna12175)

[jimjamuser]

We live in a hypocritical world influenced by social beliefs and corporate dollars where for some twisted reason marijuana is considered harmful relative to alcohol?
There is an INTERESTING story as to HOW marijuana came to be considered more dangerous than alcohol. I won't get this perfect, but it will be good enough that someone could look it up for more info. Patty Hearst's grandfather or great-grandfather owned tons of newspapers some out West like San Francisco. He also owned many acres of timber which he sent to paper mills to make his newspaper's paper. Well, it turns out that hemp is said to make FINE paper. Hearst did NOT want the hemp competition for paper so he decided to turn people AGAINST marijuana and hemp. He commissioned a movie maker to make a movie called something like, "The Devil's Weed" and it portrayed marijuana as causing people smoking it to go crazy and turn into Zombies.
......That is the best that I can do from memory.

[jimjamuser]

We will probably be fried for this, but I agree mostly with what you said. I think it does negatively affect someones drive or ambition. Having said that, so does valium, xanax, halcion, wine etc.. If someone wants to smoke or eat a gummi, why should I care. Are there any studies showing that marijuana users are more likely to be on public assistance? Other than that we need to fins a way where state laws do not contradict federal laws in regards to this.
Small amounts of red wine are known to be beneficial!

[jimjamuser]

Another "valid" study. From my experiences, the pot in the 70's was as strong as what is available today.
I have been told that it is stronger today.

[jimjamuser]

The stuff STINKS! We don't need it being smoked in public.

Then, there's the small problem of federal regulations. Those marijuana stores in states where it is legal, can't use the banks for their business (deposits, checking, savings etc.).
Maybe they have to launder it?
There is a nasty smell that comes from the older golf carts and they drive by and that has to be bad for your lungs.

[jimjamuser]

Having come from the mental health field myself, you need to consider that those who use marijuana and seek help, are not necessarily representative of the population of users. They are more likely to have pre-existing mental health issues that may cause what you may think are pot-related effects. There are likely far more users out there who function adequately and lead "normal" lives, despite using pot.
Again, Fentanyl is the real "Devil Killer" not pot. And Fentanyl is being produced in China, probably for the sole purpose of weakening America, while making China lots of MONEY. I believe that it is coming in through Mexico, which is SUPPOSED (?) to be a US allie.

[jimjamuser]

Why would anyone want recreational marijuana in Florida? People are crazy enough without being on drugs.
It might help tone down some people's craziness. It tends to produce a laid-back happiness.

[JMintzer]

Wanna fall asleep, and get a good night's sleep? Gummies. No need to smoke weed, you can eat it in delicious flavored gummies. It's ridiculous, that marijuana is illegal and thousands of people are arrested and spending time in prison for having it. Of the 8.2 million marijuana arrests between 2001 and 2010, 88% were for simply having marijuana.

Not really. Most committed other crimes, but pled down to simple possession...

[JMintzer]

Another "valid" study. From my experiences, the pot in the 70's was as strong as what is available today.

Then, you either scored some really god stuff in the 70's or you're smoking crap now... :icon_wink:

[JMintzer]

The stuff STINKS! We don't need it being smoked in public.

Then, there's the small problem of federal regulations. Those marijuana stores in states where it is legal, can't use the banks for their business (deposits, checking, savings etc.).
Maybe they have to launder it?

Meh, no worse than cigarettes...

[JMintzer]

Pretty sure I provided more information than that when I registered to vote.

But not when you ACTUALLY vote...

[JMintzer]

There is an INTERESTING story as to HOW marijuana came to be considered more dangerous than alcohol. I won't get this perfect, but it will be good enough that someone could look it up for more info. Patty Hearst's grandfather or great-grandfather owned tons of newspapers some out West like San Francisco. He also owned many acres of timber which he sent to paper mills to make his newspaper's paper. Well, it turns out that hemp is said to make FINE paper. Hearst did NOT want the hemp competition for paper so he decided to turn people AGAINST marijuana and hemp. He commissioned a movie maker to make a movie called something like, "The Devil's Weed" and it portrayed marijuana as causing people smoking it to go crazy and turn into Zombies.
......That is the best that I can do from memory.

An actual Google search (pretty easy to do) turned up nothing related to cheap paper...

It did turn up this:

The Wrath of Anslinger and Hearst Was One of the Worst - Potency No. 710 (https://www.potency710.com/the-wrath-of-anslinger-and-hearst-was-one-of-the-worst/)

The hatred was based in racism...

[JMintzer]

There is a nasty smell that comes from the older golf carts and they drive by and that has to be bad for your lungs.

You just can't help yourself...

[jimjamuser]

Yet some states tax so much many continue to buy from the black market. Unfortunately, the cartels are still thriving.

California’s legal weed industry can’t compete with illicit market - POLITICO (https://www.politico.com/news/2021/10/23/california-legal-illicit-weed-market-516868)
California cannabis: Despair in Emerald Triangle- CalMatters (https://calmatters.org/newsletters/whatmatters/2023/02/california-cannabis-emerald-triangle/)
Craft cannabis industry in California is '''on the brink of collapse,''' advocates say (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/-brink-collapse-california-pot-businesses-call-tax-overhaul-rcna12175)
Thanks for that information. It is too bad that the cartels are still thriving. I would be happy to see the state governments help to sell it at reduced prices so low as to DRIVE the Cartels out of business. The state taxpayer would be better off in the long run. The cartel pot could be cut with dangerous impurities that the government-controlled pot would NOT have. Even if the state-approved pot was sold at a loss, it would have guaranteed quality as opposed to cartel pot.
.....You would think that the state-approved pot would have production advantages (like not being raided and jailed) that SHOULD (?) lead to real cost advantages. The cartels have to cause the states other problems like crime and murder that could change the cost-benefit analysis involved in getting rid of them.

[Joe C.]

I'll go along with making weed legal as long as laws are passed that makes the manufacture, sale and use of all other illegal drugs punishable with the death sentence. IMHO, that would take care of quite a bit of our drug problem.

[Dlpdo]

Druggies!

Are you talking about the people who use marijauna or those using alcohol or maybe those addicted to nicotine in cigarettes?

[OhioBuckeye]

I’m 74 yrs. old & I personally don’t think it’s worse than drinking. I think it’s just some of the older generation that doesn’t like any kind of drugs. The biggest thing is if they want it legalized it treat it the same way the smoking laws are. I just don’t like smoking & smelling someone stinking breath that been smoking.

[RICH1]

Giving my information out to Strangers on the street, then wondering how my Identity was stolen leaves no one to blame! Marijuana don’t make you stupid.

[Two Bills]

Small amounts of red wine are known to be beneficial!

I always found large amount were even better.

[jimbomaybe]

In 1969 I was a grad student at Univ. of Florida and I hung out with some people who often smoked marijuana. They were very nice low-key people and didn't seem to mind that I just passed the 'joint' from one person to another without taking a puff myself. One night I left our apartment to go for a dip in the pool, and when I came back, they were all sound asleep.

Over time, I definitely noticed a change in their behavior. They didn't seem as sharp mentally as they were before, and I suspect it was due to the long-term effects of marijuana. Based on what I observed, I think marijuana use should be illegal.

The first thing that occurred to me was the "clinics" that give you your med use cards will be the biggest opponents to recreational legalization ,, lots of money being made there, from what I am told nobody fails to qualify ,, for a fee,, perhaps they will make the appropriate donations the the right thinking politicians

[Whitley]

Giving my information out to Strangers on the street, then wondering how my Identity was stolen leaves no one to blame! Marijuana don’t make you stupid.

mensjournal.com (https://www.mensjournal.com/adventure/shocker-20-year-study-says-marijuana-makes-you-stupid)

[tophcfa]

The first thing that occurred to me was the "clinics" that give you your med use cards will be the biggest opponents to recreational legalization ,, lots of money being made there, from what I am told nobody fails to qualify ,, for a fee,, perhaps they will make the appropriate donations the the right thinking politicians

The fee to get medically certified is chump change in comparison to the fact there are no taxes on medical card holders. That’s a big reason most states that approve medical quickly follow up with legalization of recreational, follow the tax $$$$$. When Massachusetts first legalized recreational use the dispensaries were full of cars with license plates from the surrounding states, now most of those states have legalized marijuana so they don’t miss out on the tax revenue. The New England region has now become a mature market with significant competition, which has resulted in prices dropping over 50% the last couple of years.

I shake my head when driving around the 5 college area in western Massachusetts, just about every new business that pops up is either a brewery or marijuana dispensary. How can an economy be sustainable in the long run that is based on drinking and smoking? Yet another reason not to forgive those student loans?

[Whitley]

I think my fondness for weed is worked the others way , I’m always shopping for clothes and have to much Amani , Hugo Boss and new Nike gear in my closets , I also get pedicure and manicure and have my whole upper body waxed , maybe if I stop smoking weed I could get over this addiction and start looking like all the other villages guys in rumpled shorts , bad haircuts and worn down sneakers and they wonder why there back hurts

Having dealt with c and the surgeries associated with it, there were many times I was on various drugs for pain. My family learned no matter what I would say when they were driving me home from the hospital, NEVER take me to a store. This was especially true for Home Depot. Under meds I had this epiphany that clarified all of the items I NEED but never knew. A few days later I would stumble down to the mud room and wonder why the hell we had voice activated door locks, Instant hot water taps (9 of them, one for each bedroom and the extra for my bathroom), expensive spray painters in case I ever decided to paint the house (Which I could not as it was a landmark and the vast majority stone). Perhaps you experience the same issue. Try not smoking, eating, vaping for a week and then decide if you feel the need to wax your upper body.
As for the suits, No Brioni? Do you still wear suits, and if so what are you wearing these days. I had the ones you mention, along with Zegna, Brioni and Cerruti 1881. Approaching sixty I will not wear those makes today as imo ankle length skinny pants are not appropriate for someone my age. I am from the double leg break on the shoe era. Any advice is appreciated.

[Whitley]

I use to say that alcohol and religion was useful in keeping the masses in line. I could make a point that marijuana is doing the same today. Back in college we had Al Haig and a Soviet (pre fall) defector speak about ways governments use to keep citizens in check. Making a drug that calms and reduces ambition easily available seems to be a great option.

[Whitley]

The fee to get medically certified is chump change in comparison to the fact there are no taxes on medical card holders. That’s a big reason most states that approve medical quickly follow up with legalization of recreational, follow the tax $$$$$. When Massachusetts first legalized recreational use the dispensaries were full of cars with license plates from the surrounding states, now most of those states have legalized marijuana so they don’t miss out on the tax revenue. The New England region has now become a mature market with significant competition, which has resulted in prices dropping over 50% the last couple of years.

I shake my head when driving around the 5 college area in western Massachusetts, just about every new business that pops up is either a brewery or marijuana dispensary. How can an economy be sustainable in the long run that is based on drinking and smoking? Yet another reason not to forgive those student loans?

Drugs and Drink; keep the population compliant. As for student loans, were we really going to get strict on the budget I can see your point. When we give so much money away, even to countries that hate us, I find it difficult to say draw the line at college students. The fed student loan program is one reason prices have gone from 8K a yr to 52K for my college in one generation.

[manaboutown]

Are you talking about the people who use marijauna or those using alcohol or maybe those addicted to nicotine in cigarettes?

As the thread's topic is marijuana legalization I was referring to the following folks.

toker - Wiktionary (https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/toker)

Urban Dictionary: Stoner (https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Stoner)

Urban Dictionary: pot head (https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pot%20head)

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

Having dealt with c and the surgeries associated with it, there were many times I was on various drugs for pain. My family learned no matter what I would say when they were driving me home from the hospital, NEVER take me to a store. This was especially true for Home Depot. Under meds I had this epiphany that clarified all of the items I NEED but never knew. A few days later I would stumble down to the mud room and wonder why the hell we had voice activated door locks, Instant hot water taps (9 of them, one for each bedroom and the extra for my bathroom), expensive spray painters in case I ever decided to paint the house (Which I could not as it was a landmark and the vast majority stone). Perhaps you experience the same issue. Try not smoking, eating, vaping for a week and then decide if you feel the need to wax your upper body.
As for the suits, No Brioni? Do you still wear suits, and if so what are you wearing these days. I had the ones you mention, along with Zegna, Brioni and Cerruti 1881. Approaching sixty I will not wear those makes today as imo ankle length skinny pants are not appropriate for someone my age. I am from the double leg break on the shoe era. Any advice is appreciated. I can’t figure out if your putting on but I don’t vape and I don’t have a medical marijuana card , I have the same person who delivers when I’m here , she’s not greedy and she’s been around for 7 years , kids in private school , FYI if your really interested , during the cooler months I wear sport jackets with jeans and shoes or boots , I don’t need to be high to shop I just do , and you know all those stores sell shirts , sweaters that can wear all the time and slacks and jeans which are skinny even if you think there not appropriate at 84 , I’ve also been getting waxed for 30 years because I didn’t want to look like a grey bear and because I don’t wear t shirts it feels great when you put a shirt on , vanity ,ego , yes I have but most of my Boston friends are same way , my advice stop feeling sorry for yourself and get out there and move I’ve just come back from weekly acupuncture and 4 mile walk and run and I’m headed soon to Orlando to the mall to buy things I don’t need including a couple of pair of sun glasses at the sun glass hut , why buy them there , well because I’m a snob lol

[dwoodley1975]

It need to pass already

[VApeople]

I can’t figure out if your putting on but I don’t vape and I don’t have a medical marijuana card , I have the same person who delivers when I’m here , she’s not greedy and she’s been around for 7 years , kids in private school , FYI if your really interested , during the cooler months I wear sport jackets with jeans and shoes or boots , I don’t need to be high to shop I just do , and you know all those stores sell shirts , sweaters that can wear all the time and slacks and jeans which are skinny even if you think there not appropriate at 84 , I’ve also been getting waxed for 30 years because I didn’t want to look like a grey bear and because I don’t wear t shirts it feels great when you put a shirt on , vanity ,ego , yes I have but most of my Boston friends are same way , my advice stop feeling sorry for yourself and get out there and move I’ve just come back from weekly acupuncture and 4 mile walk and run and I’m headed soon to Orlando to the mall to buy things I don’t need including a couple of pair of sun glasses at the sun glass hut , why buy them there , well because I’m a snob lol

I didn't see a single period in your post, so I assume it was all one sentence. I'm still trying to understand it.

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

I didn't see a single period in your post, so I assume it was all one sentence. I'm still trying to understand it.
If it annoys YOU , I really can’t think of a REASON to STOP doing IT

[karostay]

Never heard of medical alcohol

[VApeople]

I can’t figure out if your putting on but I don’t vape and I don’t have a medical marijuana card , I have the same person who delivers when I’m here , she’s not greedy and she’s been around for 7 years , kids in private school , FYI if your really interested , during the cooler months I wear sport jackets with jeans and shoes or boots , I don’t need to be high to shop I just do , and you know all those stores sell shirts , sweaters that can wear all the time and slacks and jeans which are skinny even if you think there not appropriate at 84 , I’ve also been getting waxed for 30 years because I didn’t want to look like a grey bear and because I don’t wear t shirts it feels great when you put a shirt on , vanity ,ego , yes I have but most of my Boston friends are same way , my advice stop feeling sorry for yourself and get out there and move I’ve just come back from weekly acupuncture and 4 mile walk and run and I’m headed soon to Orlando to the mall to buy things I don’t need including a couple of pair of sun glasses at the sun glass hut , why buy them there , well because I’m a snob lol

I didn't see a single period in your post, so I assume it was all one sentence. I'm still trying to understand it.

After an entire week spent trying to understand your post, I have officially given up. Maybe someone more enlightened than myself can explain it to me.

[PugMom]

I must be completely out of touch because I do NOT get the Cartman reference???????

it was a South Park episode. Kyle's dad was growing weed & attracting hippies to their quaint town, lol. it's an amusing one.

[PugMom]

There is an INTERESTING story as to HOW marijuana came to be considered more dangerous than alcohol. I won't get this perfect, but it will be good enough that someone could look it up for more info. Patty Hearst's grandfather or great-grandfather owned tons of newspapers some out West like San Francisco. He also owned many acres of timber which he sent to paper mills to make his newspaper's paper. Well, it turns out that hemp is said to make FINE paper. Hearst did NOT want the hemp competition for paper so he decided to turn people AGAINST marijuana and hemp. He commissioned a movie maker to make a movie called something like, "The Devil's Weed" and it portrayed marijuana as causing people smoking it to go crazy and turn into Zombies.
......That is the best that I can do from memory.

i have heard that too. this is about the time 'Reefer Madness' was released.

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

After an entire week spent trying to understand your post, I have officially given up. Maybe someone more enlightened than myself can explain it to me. let me put you out of your frustrations,
one guy was talking about vaping and medical marijuana ,and I believe it was you who observed other students not taking care of themselves I made a joke about maybe if I stopped smoking weed I could stop all my hygiene grooming and clothes buying like many other guys here , that answered the question about maybe I should stop . I also talked about the woman I’ve bought from for years , she’s just a normal single mom who delivers a good product for a good price and she pays for good schools for her kids yes I don’t punctuate right all the time but mostly I don’t care , so it’s my last explanation lol Happy Weekend , I’m off to the Hard Rock in Tampa .FYI when I didn’t have much money I still spent a lot , now that I have much more I still spend a lot , today is the only day I’m thinking about , no one is promised tomorrow

[Johngramuglia]

I find it interesting in a country to legalizes tobacco and alcohol, people have an issue with cannabis. Tobacco causes more deaths than all other drugs combined. Alcohol is more destructive to more parts of the body than any other drug, and people are against legalizing cannabis. I belong to an organization called Law Enforcement against Prohibition (LEAP) that advocates for the legalization and regulation of all drugs. The US is a country that runs more on ideology than on rationality. Other countries successfully regulate heroin and other drugs and the evidence is clear it is a more intelligent alternative. I'd just to anyone who would like to educate themselves regarding this issue to study the work of Dr. Carl Hart from Columbia University to acquire the knowledge to have an intelligent as opposed to an emotional conversation about this issue

[VApeople]

let me put you out of your frustrations,
one guy was talking about vaping and medical marijuana ,and I believe it was you who observed other students not taking care of themselves I made a joke about maybe if I stopped smoking weed I could stop all my hygiene grooming and clothes buying like many other guys here , that answered the question about maybe I should stop . I also talked about the woman I’ve bought from for years , she’s just a normal single mom who delivers a good product for a good price and she pays for good schools for her kids yes I don’t punctuate right all the time but mostly I don’t care , so it’s my last explanation lol Happy Weekend , I’m off to the Hard Rock in Tampa .FYI when I didn’t have much money I still spent a lot , now that I have much more I still spend a lot , today is the only day I’m thinking about , no one is promised tomorrow

OK, thanks for clearing that up. I understand what you are saying.

1) You like to smoke weed.

2) You have a lady that sells you good weed..

3) You have a lot of money.

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

OK, thanks for clearing that up. I understand what you are saying.

1) You like to smoke weed.

2) You have a lady that sells you good weed..

3) You have a lot of money. I shouldn’t have bothered explaining anything to you, I said I have more money then I had before and I still spend it , but I have less money after the hard rock last night (sad Charlie )

[JMintzer]

I shouldn’t have bothered explaining anything to you, I said I have more money then I had before and I still spend it , but I have less money after the hard rock last night (sad Charlie )

So, you got "waxed" at the tables last night?