$23.00 to add piece of salmon to Caesar salad at the Lighthouse Point Bar & Grill

[HowieH]

Lighthouse menu has a Salmon berry salad for $28. I didn't want some of the items in it. Asked waiter how much would a $12 Grilled Caesar salad be to add a piece of salmon. She came back and said $23. I thought that $11 for a piece of salmon was high, but what the heck.
Check came and it was $12 for salad and $23 for add-on salmon = $35.. . Asked for mgr and she said that's how much a salmon add on is and it's fresh. Told her I eat a lot of salads and usually $7-9 for add on. She WOULDN"T budge. Told her I can buy 1lb of Atlantic salmon for $8.99/lb at Fresh Market.
I did ask ahead of time for the price and had I understood the add on was $23 extra and not the TOTAL cost, I would have passed on it.
BYE-BYE Lighthouse and my 2 visits a month.

[dewilson58]

Could have had a complete salmon dinner for $26.

$23 seems steep.

[fdpaq0580]

Lighthouse menu has a Salmon berry salad for $28. I didn't want some of the items in it. Asked waiter how much would a $12 Grilled Caesar salad be to add a piece of salmon. She came back and said $23. I thought that $11 for a piece of salmon was high, but what the heck.
Check came and it was $12 for salad and $23 for add-on salmon = $35.. . Asked for mgr and she said that's how much a salmon add on is and it's fresh. Told her I eat a lot of salads and usually $7-9 for add on. She WOULDN"T budge. Told her I can buy 1lb of Atlantic salmon for $8.99/lb at Fresh Market.
I did ask ahead of time for the price and had I understood the add on was $23 extra and not the TOTAL cost, I would have passed on it.
BYE-BYE Lighthouse and my 2 visits a month.

Um, Atlantic salmon? Farm raised? Oh, nonononono.
And, "fresh"? Most likely "fresh frozen".

[fdpaq0580]

Could have had a complete salmon dinner for $26.

$23 seems steep.

Can you say, "rip off"? Outrageous! imho.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Lighthouse menu has a Salmon berry salad for $28. I didn't want some of the items in it. Asked waiter how much would a $12 Grilled Caesar salad be to add a piece of salmon. She came back and said $23. I thought that $11 for a piece of salmon was high, but what the heck.
Check came and it was $12 for salad and $23 for add-on salmon = $35.. . Asked for mgr and she said that's how much a salmon add on is and it's fresh. Told her I eat a lot of salads and usually $7-9 for add on. She WOULDN"T budge. Told her I can buy 1lb of Atlantic salmon for $8.99/lb at Fresh Market.
I did ask ahead of time for the price and had I understood the add on was $23 extra and not the TOTAL cost, I would have passed on it.
BYE-BYE Lighthouse and my 2 visits a month.

If only you hadn't added the "I can buy this for less at the store" your complaint would be mostly valid.

You invalidated the complaint with that single statement though.

To explain - since I realize logic is not everyone's forte:

You can buy ALL of your food cheaper at a supermarket, and prepare it yourself from scratch. However, you won't have the experience of being served, having someone else do the dishes, someone else doing the cooking, the cleaning, paying for the electricity needed to run the oven and dishwasher, the experience of "dining out," preventing all those fish skins you can't put in the garbage disposer stinking up your house until trash day, etc. etc. etc.

A valid argument might be "I can make BETTER for less, and so I shall." That's my argument for shrimp scampi, everywhere I go. No one makes it as good as I make it. I'm always disappointed, and so I just stopped ordering it entirely. When I want shrimp scampi, I make it.

If you know you can get something for less somewhere else, and that is your argument for complaining about the price of something, then - get it for less somewhere else. Or just accept that at THIS place, there's an add-on price of $23 for salmon. Lighthouse is not an inexpensive middle-quality chain restaurant.

You would've been better off not trying to do things "cheap" and instead selected the bourbon salmon dinner, with a caesar salad add-on. That would've been only $32 and would've included vegetables and rice.

[Two Bills]

Um, Atlantic salmon? Farm raised? Oh, nonononono.
And, "fresh"? Most likely "fresh frozen".

Easy to tell difference between Farm and Atlantic Salmon.
No pronounced fat lines on Atlantic Salmon.
Same for Trout as well.

[BrianL99]

Lighthouse menu has a Salmon berry salad for $28. I didn't want some of the items in it. Asked waiter how much would a $12 Grilled Caesar salad be to add a piece of salmon. She came back and said $23. I thought that $11 for a piece of salmon was high, but what the heck.
Check came and it was $12 for salad and $23 for add-on salmon = $35.. . Asked for mgr and she said that's how much a salmon add on is and it's fresh. Told her I eat a lot of salads and usually $7-9 for add on. She WOULDN"T budge. Told her I can buy 1lb of Atlantic salmon for $8.99/lb at Fresh Market.
I did ask ahead of time for the price and had I understood the add on was $23 extra and not the TOTAL cost, I would have passed on it.
BYE-BYE Lighthouse and my 2 visits a month.

& I bet it was awful, too.

[Stu from NYC]

Not to worry, 1812 will close and management will get better. At least one could hope.

[walterray1]

Lighthouse menu has a Salmon berry salad for $28. I didn't want some of the items in it. Asked waiter how much would a $12 Grilled Caesar salad be to add a piece of salmon. She came back and said $23. I thought that $11 for a piece of salmon was high, but what the heck.
Check came and it was $12 for salad and $23 for add-on salmon = $35.. . Asked for mgr and she said that's how much a salmon add on is and it's fresh. Told her I eat a lot of salads and usually $7-9 for add on. She WOULDN"T budge. Told her I can buy 1lb of Atlantic salmon for $8.99/lb at Fresh Market.
I did ask ahead of time for the price and had I understood the add on was $23 extra and not the TOTAL cost, I would have passed on it.
BYE-BYE Lighthouse and my 2 visits a month.

Can anyone say "agenda" or "troll". Please...

[Calisport]

I was going to eat there Sat. so glad I didn't

[Papa_lecki]

Just looked at the Chop House menu, +$12 to add Salmon to a salad.

[mntlblok]

Easy to tell difference between Farm and Atlantic Salmon.
No pronounced fat lines on Atlantic Salmon.
Same for Trout as well.

Reminds me that the bears will soon be returning to Brooks Falls. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJNtrbmpVVs

[phousel]

So $12 for a "grilled" Ceasar salad? What was grilled in it (chicken)? Did the "grilled" item come with your salad and salmon?

[Cobullymom]

If only you hadn't added the "I can buy this for less at the store" your complaint would be mostly valid.

You invalidated the complaint with that single statement though.

To explain - since I realize logic is not everyone's forte:

You can buy ALL of your food cheaper at a supermarket, and prepare it yourself from scratch. However, you won't have the experience of being served, having someone else do the dishes, someone else doing the cooking, the cleaning, paying for the electricity needed to run the oven and dishwasher, the experience of "dining out," preventing all those fish skins you can't put in the garbage disposer stinking up your house until trash day, etc. etc. etc.

A valid argument might be "I can make BETTER for less, and so I shall." That's my argument for shrimp scampi, everywhere I go. No one makes it as good as I make it. I'm always disappointed, and so I just stopped ordering it entirely. When I want shrimp scampi, I make it.

If you know you can get something for less somewhere else, and that is your argument for complaining about the price of something, then - get it for less somewhere else. Or just accept that at THIS place, there's an add-on price of $23 for salmon. Lighthouse is not an inexpensive middle-quality chain restaurant.

You would've been better off not trying to do things "cheap" and instead selected the bourbon salmon dinner, with a caesar salad add-on. That would've been only $32 and would've included vegetables and rice.
"Lighthouse is not an inexpensive middle-quality chain restaurant."

No, it's a low quality over priced restaurant. I'm not a restaurant basher, but this is quite an over statement. Just what is high quality about this place? Other than a nice water view.

[Harold.wiser]

Nice views and high prices.

[Ele201]

Lighthouse menu has a Salmon berry salad for $28. I didn't want some of the items in it. Asked waiter how much would a $12 Grilled Caesar salad be to add a piece of salmon. She came back and said $23. I thought that $11 for a piece of salmon was high, but what the heck.
Check came and it was $12 for salad and $23 for add-on salmon = $35.. . Asked for mgr and she said that's how much a salmon add on is and it's fresh. Told her I eat a lot of salads and usually $7-9 for add on. She WOULDN"T budge. Told her I can buy 1lb of Atlantic salmon for $8.99/lb at Fresh Market.
I did ask ahead of time for the price and had I understood the add on was $23 extra and not the TOTAL cost, I would have passed on it.
BYE-BYE Lighthouse and my 2 visits a month.
I have a few things to say about this. First, this was obviously a case of miscommunication between you and the server, and that’s unfortunate. And I have to say I feel for you, because that bill came as a shock. The server was likely in a rush when she said “$23” — meaning that was just for the salmon filet, not the entire salad. But from the restaurant’s point of view, you ordered the salmon filet separately, and that’s the price, added on to a salad or not. Ok, but since it was an honest miscommunication and you’re a regular customer, I think the manager could have cut you a break and given you the dish for $23.

And by the way, I also had an unfortunate experience at the Lighthouse two years ago. The situation was a bit different though. I ordered 1 pound of whole belly fried clams. The price was $38, and I was ok paying that, especially since it was a birthday celebration. Anyway, when the dish arrived, there were like 1/4 pound of clams! I couldn’t believe it. Very disappointing, but because it was a birthday dinner I didn’t dispute it.

[Hank’s mom]

I love the lighthouse. My belief when u are eating at an establishment, pick something off menu that you don’t need to alter unless it is for dietary reasons. Or cook at home.

[KCAlan]

Just write a letter to both the Lighthouse Owners Group and the restaurant management stating your pricing complaint. Compare their cost to the Chophouse and other restaurants in the area.

Also let them know of your posting on this website and that so many Villagers read it. It seems somebody didn’t do their pricing homework or the restaurant believes Villagers are gullible.

[larbud]

I have a few things to say about this. First, this was obviously a case of miscommunication between you and the server, and that’s unfortunate. And I have to say I feel for you, because that bill came as a shock. The server was likely in a rush when she said “$23” — meaning that was just for the salmon filet, not the entire salad. But from the restaurant’s point of view, you ordered the salmon filet separately, and that’s the price, added on to a salad or not. Ok, but since it was an honest miscommunication and you’re a regular customer, I think the manager could have cut you a break and given you the dish for $23.

And by the way, I also had an unfortunate experience at the Lighthouse two years ago. The situation was a bit different though. I ordered 1 pound of whole belly fried clams. The price was $38, and I was ok paying that, especially since it was a birthday celebration. Anyway, when the dish arrived, there were like 1/4 pound of clams! I couldn’t believe it. Very disappointing, but because it was a birthday dinner I didn’t dispute it.
And that’s exactly why they rip people off! Acceptance of overpriced and often mis labeled mediocrity!!

[golfing eagles]

Lighthouse menu has a Salmon berry salad for $28. I didn't want some of the items in it. Asked waiter how much would a $12 Grilled Caesar salad be to add a piece of salmon. She came back and said $23. I thought that $11 for a piece of salmon was high, but what the heck.
Check came and it was $12 for salad and $23 for add-on salmon = $35.. . Asked for mgr and she said that's how much a salmon add on is and it's fresh. Told her I eat a lot of salads and usually $7-9 for add on. She WOULDN"T budge. Told her I can buy 1lb of Atlantic salmon for $8.99/lb at Fresh Market.
I did ask ahead of time for the price and had I understood the add on was $23 extra and not the TOTAL cost, I would have passed on it.
BYE-BYE Lighthouse and my 2 visits a month.

I have a few things to say about this. First, this was obviously a case of miscommunication between you and the server, and that’s unfortunate. And I have to say I feel for you, because that bill came as a shock. The server was likely in a rush when she said “$23” — meaning that was just for the salmon filet, not the entire salad. But from the restaurant’s point of view, you ordered the salmon filet separately, and that’s the price, added on to a salad or not. Ok, but since it was an honest miscommunication and you’re a regular customer, I think the manager could have cut you a break and given you the dish for $23.


First of all, I think $23 for a salmon add on to a salad is very high. I also think the manager would have been smarter to give the OP the salad for $23.

That being said, I can't help but suspect that the phraseology of the price question as posted might have been slightly altered to make his/her case. The phrase "how much would a $12 Grilled Caesar salad be to add a piece of salmon" seems a bit awkward---why state the price of the plain Caesar salad to the waitress in the question. More likely (just speculation) the question was simply " how much to add a piece of salmon to the salad", and the when the answer came back $23 there were some assumptions made. This is also likely what the server told the manager which is why he was inflexible.

Like I said, the manager could have been smarter, but from the manager's point of view, I suppose he deals with the growing number of Villagers looking for "something for nothing" every day, and has problems sorting out the legitimate complaints.

[Nucky]

We were once a week customers at one time and had a similar shocking experience. When our youngest son came for a visit last time he really wanted to have the gigantic seafood sampler monstrosity that they serve so off to the Lighthouse we went. I asked the waiter where is the crowd on a beautiful night like this? I think I can guess at the answer. OP, I support everything you said since I experienced the same thing myself. I vote with my feet and wallet. I never like to bash either. Can’t believe that your personal experience was challenged or questioned! This isn’t a court of law. It’s a forum to share our views on things with our neighbors and to supposedly support each other. I’m with you totally.

[midiwiz]

Lighthouse menu has a Salmon berry salad for $28. I didn't want some of the items in it. Asked waiter how much would a $12 Grilled Caesar salad be to add a piece of salmon. She came back and said $23. I thought that $11 for a piece of salmon was high, but what the heck.
Check came and it was $12 for salad and $23 for add-on salmon = $35.. . Asked for mgr and she said that's how much a salmon add on is and it's fresh. Told her I eat a lot of salads and usually $7-9 for add on. She WOULDN"T budge. Told her I can buy 1lb of Atlantic salmon for $8.99/lb at Fresh Market.
I did ask ahead of time for the price and had I understood the add on was $23 extra and not the TOTAL cost, I would have passed on it.
BYE-BYE Lighthouse and my 2 visits a month.


this is why they lost 1812, no restuarant knowledge.

[banjobob]

Sorry ,but special orders are real pain in the kitchen, now pricing that’s another story ,no answer, communication with staff confusing. but taking an attitude to never return to restaurant you enjoy is silly but you win .

[MSGirl]

If only you hadn't added the "I can buy this for less at the store" your complaint would be mostly valid.

You invalidated the complaint with that single statement though.

To explain - since I realize logic is not everyone's forte:

You can buy ALL of your food cheaper at a supermarket, and prepare it yourself from scratch. However, you won't have the experience of being served, having someone else do the dishes, someone else doing the cooking, the cleaning, paying for the electricity needed to run the oven and dishwasher, the experience of "dining out," preventing all those fish skins you can't put in the garbage disposer stinking up your house until trash day, etc. etc. etc.

A valid argument might be "I can make BETTER for less, and so I shall." That's my argument for shrimp scampi, everywhere I go. No one makes it as good as I make it. I'm always disappointed, and so I just stopped ordering it entirely. When I want shrimp scampi, I make it.

If you know you can get something for less somewhere else, and that is your argument for complaining about the price of something, then - get it for less somewhere else. Or just accept that at THIS place, there's an add-on price of $23 for salmon. Lighthouse is not an inexpensive middle-quality chain restaurant.

You would've been better off not trying to do things "cheap" and instead selected the bourbon salmon dinner, with a caesar salad add-on. That would've been only $32 and would've included vegetables and rice.

EXCELLENT reply

[HowieH]

Reading is a "skill", use your "logic" and re-read the article. I didn't go cheap. I was willing to pay $11 for the add on salmon which is higher than any restaurant I have ordered a salmon add before. Your long diatribe was so far off point that it barely deserves this response.

[Whitley]

If only you hadn't added the "I can buy this for less at the store" your complaint would be mostly valid.

You invalidated the complaint with that single statement though.

To explain - since I realize logic is not everyone's forte:

You can buy ALL of your food cheaper at a supermarket, and prepare it yourself from scratch. However, you won't have the experience of being served, having someone else do the dishes, someone else doing the cooking, the cleaning, paying for the electricity needed to run the oven and dishwasher, the experience of "dining out," preventing all those fish skins you can't put in the garbage disposer stinking up your house until trash day, etc. etc. etc.

A valid argument might be "I can make BETTER for less, and so I shall." That's my argument for shrimp scampi, everywhere I go. No one makes it as good as I make it. I'm always disappointed, and so I just stopped ordering it entirely. When I want shrimp scampi, I make it.

If you know you can get something for less somewhere else, and that is your argument for complaining about the price of something, then - get it for less somewhere else. Or just accept that at THIS place, there's an add-on price of $23 for salmon. Lighthouse is not an inexpensive middle-quality chain restaurant.

You would've been better off not trying to do things "cheap" and instead selected the bourbon salmon dinner, with a caesar salad add-on. That would've been only $32 and would've included vegetables and rice.

Is there some negative history between yourself and the OP. The reply was a bit like something I'd expect an ex to say.

[CoachKandSportsguy]

BYE-BYE Lighthouse and my 2 visits a month.

Howie has been on TOTV for about 5 years. Two posts,
both complaints. .

If everyone here for 5 years hasn't figured out the restaurant scene, especially Howie who goes to that restaurant 2 times a month. .

geez people, get the hook out of your cheeks. .

[tophcfa]

Pre made Cesar Salad kit and piece of delicious smoked salmon from either Publix, Fresh Market, or Sprouts for around $20. No cooking required, no tip necessary, and eat it on a paper plate so no cleanup. Usually have some leftover for lunch the next day. Problem solved.

[pauld315]

Lighthouse menu has a Salmon berry salad for $28. I didn't want some of the items in it. Asked waiter how much would a $12 Grilled Caesar salad be to add a piece of salmon. She came back and said $23. I thought that $11 for a piece of salmon was high, but what the heck.
Check came and it was $12 for salad and $23 for add-on salmon = $35.. . Asked for mgr and she said that's how much a salmon add on is and it's fresh. Told her I eat a lot of salads and usually $7-9 for add on. She WOULDN"T budge. Told her I can buy 1lb of Atlantic salmon for $8.99/lb at Fresh Market.
I did ask ahead of time for the price and had I understood the add on was $23 extra and not the TOTAL cost, I would have passed on it.
BYE-BYE Lighthouse and my 2 visits a month.

Actually, a pound of salmon at The Fresh Market is 13.99 a pound.

[jrref]

If only you hadn't added the "I can buy this for less at the store" your complaint would be mostly valid.

You invalidated the complaint with that single statement though.

To explain - since I realize logic is not everyone's forte:

You can buy ALL of your food cheaper at a supermarket, and prepare it yourself from scratch. However, you won't have the experience of being served, having someone else do the dishes, someone else doing the cooking, the cleaning, paying for the electricity needed to run the oven and dishwasher, the experience of "dining out," preventing all those fish skins you can't put in the garbage disposer stinking up your house until trash day, etc. etc. etc.

A valid argument might be "I can make BETTER for less, and so I shall." That's my argument for shrimp scampi, everywhere I go. No one makes it as good as I make it. I'm always disappointed, and so I just stopped ordering it entirely. When I want shrimp scampi, I make it.

If you know you can get something for less somewhere else, and that is your argument for complaining about the price of something, then - get it for less somewhere else. Or just accept that at THIS place, there's an add-on price of $23 for salmon. Lighthouse is not an inexpensive middle-quality chain restaurant.

You would've been better off not trying to do things "cheap" and instead selected the bourbon salmon dinner, with a caesar salad add-on. That would've been only $32 and would've included vegetables and rice.

Fresh Atlantic Salmon is aroung $20/lb. Fresh not frozen. The real problem here is he was quoted one price then charged another. If he would have focused on that arguement maybe the manager would have reduced the bill.

[golfing eagles]

Howie has been on TOTV for about 5 years. Two posts,
both complaints. .

If everyone here for 5 years hasn't figured out the restaurant scene, especially Howie who goes to that restaurant 2 times a month. .

geez people, get the hook out of your cheeks. .

All I can say is The Lighthouse was really good 6-9 years ago, then it went downhill enough to go elsewhere. When the owners opened 1812 Augustine, the Lighthouse was really, really bad. Now that 1812 is closed they plan to put their efforts into rehabilitating the Lighthouse, and I hope they succeed.

However, anyone who went there 2x/month through that period either has a very strong stomach or a congenital absence of taste buds. I also didn't note any mention of the quality of the food or the service in the OP, just some "confusion" over the price.

[Two Bills]

"Lighthouse is not an inexpensive middle-quality chain restaurant."

No, it's a low quality over priced restaurant. I'm not a restaurant basher, but this is quite an over statement. Just what is high quality about this place? Other than a nice water view.

Unless the ambience has changed, I would recommend hearing aid wearers think twice before dining there.
The NOISE!

[Wondering]

Um, Atlantic salmon? Farm raised? Oh, nonononono.
And, "fresh"? Most likely "fresh frozen".
Salmon in grocery stores is all farm raised, except for Alaskan seasonal Coho. Best farm raised is Norwegian - high standards. Farm raised from Chili is a no, no!

[Whitley]

Fresh Atlantic Salmon is aroung $20/lb. Fresh not frozen. The real problem here is he was quoted one price then charged another. If he would have focused on that argument maybe the manager would have reduced the bill.

I do not know how to start a thread, or I would have done so. You mentioned tip. In the past five to ten years tipping on take-out has become the norm. I use to slide a dollar across the counter when getting my coffee at DD. Now when paying for takeout, Chinese food, a pizza etc.they leave a space on the receipt to add a tip. Last night at a Chinese take-out it showed suggested tips, 22% (with amount), 25%() and 30%. This is for takeout.I had been tipping 10% for take-out and 20 to 25 for dine in. Is 10% too low (let's assume service is fine. They put the dried rice in the bag and handed it to me.).I understand I am older and most likely not up on what is customary (I recall an Uncle who tipped 12% because that is what it had been for years). Any advice is appreciated.

[BostonRich]

From a few things I have read the owners seemed to admit that there were issues at the Lighthouse and they have plans and ideas to improve the place now that they closed 1812. Let's hope they can make it into a great restaurant. It certainly has one of the best locations in the Villages and hopefully the revival will be successful. I wish them luck.

[tophcfa]

All I can say is The Lighthouse was really good 6-9 years ago, then it went downhill enough to go elsewhere. When the owners opened 1812 Augustine, the Lighthouse was really, really bad. Now that 1812 is closed they plan to put their efforts into rehabilitating the Lighthouse, and I hope they succeed.

However, anyone who went there 2x/month through that period either has a very strong stomach or a congenital absence of taste buds. I also didn't note any mention of the quality of the food or the service in the OP, just some "confusion" over the price.

Totally agree, several years ago it was our go to place to bring guests and everyone raved about the place. Suddenly, it was like a switch was flipped and the place went straight downhill to the point where it became embarrassing to bring guests there. 1812 was doomed from the get go with the same poor quality, without the view of Lake Sumter. At least the 1812 location is being taken over by a competent operator.

It’s highly doubtful that having a family that ran two restaurants very poorly will somehow suddenly be able to run one very well by focusing their efforts, but I hope they prove me wrong?

[GATORBILL66]

Lighthouse menu has a Salmon berry salad for $28. I didn't want some of the items in it. Asked waiter how much would a $12 Grilled Caesar salad be to add a piece of salmon. She came back and said $23. I thought that $11 for a piece of salmon was high, but what the heck.
Check came and it was $12 for salad and $23 for add-on salmon = $35.. . Asked for mgr and she said that's how much a salmon add on is and it's fresh. Told her I eat a lot of salads and usually $7-9 for add on. She WOULDN"T budge. Told her I can buy 1lb of Atlantic salmon for $8.99/lb at Fresh Market.
I did ask ahead of time for the price and had I understood the add on was $23 extra and not the TOTAL cost, I would have passed on it.
BYE-BYE Lighthouse and my 2 visits a month.

I don't eat out anymore, way too expensive.

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

Moving on to another restaurant , I had the rack of lamb for the second time in a row at Legacy , both times it was delicious . I’ve never had a bad meal there and the service is always great .

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Fresh Atlantic Salmon is aroung $20/lb. Fresh not frozen. The real problem here is he was quoted one price then charged another. If he would have focused on that arguement maybe the manager would have reduced the bill.

He was quoted $23 to add the salmon. He was charged $23 for the added salmon. If salmon isn't a normal part of the menu for salad add-ons, then he was charged for a full portion of salmon - which is $23. He still had to pay for the salad. When adding a protein to a salad is part of a menu, the price is listed, or it'll say Mkt or MV (Market Value). I checked the Lighthouse menu online yesterday - salmon is not an add-on for that salad. And so - you just have to pay the full price for salmon, which is the $23 that he was quoted.

It sounds to me like he misunderstood that price, and assumed it meant that was the charge for the entire meal. The waitress did nothing wrong. The customer misunderstood. Or intentionally obfuscated the fact in the hopes of getting a free meal/discount/dessert out of it.

[golfing eagles]

He was quoted $23 to add the salmon. He was charged $23 for the added salmon. If salmon isn't a normal part of the menu for salad add-ons, then he was charged for a full portion of salmon - which is $23. He still had to pay for the salad. When adding a protein to a salad is part of a menu, the price is listed, or it'll say Mkt or MV (Market Value). I checked the Lighthouse menu online yesterday - salmon is not an add-on for that salad. And so - you just have to pay the full price for salmon, which is the $23 that he was quoted.

It sounds to me like he misunderstood that price, and assumed it meant that was the charge for the entire meal. The waitress did nothing wrong. The customer misunderstood. Or intentionally obfuscated the fact in the hopes of getting a free meal/discount/dessert out of it.

This is very painful, but I'm forced to agree with you:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[Velvet]

Every time we visited TV for over 20 years we’d have at least one meal at the Lighthouse. In the early years, they served blackened alligator which was delicious! In the later years 2 simple salads, with something very dry added cost the 2 of us over $60. I kept hoping they might at least improve the food. It never happened. Now we simply pity the people who still go there.

[Golfer222]

Went there 1/2 hour before closing. Asked if they were still serving and if so could I still order all you can eat crablegs. Answered yes. When asked for second serving, was told kitchen was closed. Still charged me 50 dollars for all you can eat special but was only able to get one cluster. Manager said it was out of their hands. Hope the invest well the 50 dollars for the one cluster, as it will be the last money spent there. Penny wise, pound foolish

[merrymini]

View is nice but nothing else about it is good. How do restaurants like this stay in business?

[fdpaq0580]

View is nice but nothing else about it is good. How do restaurants like this stay in business?

Because we villagers just grumble, then head our golf carts over to the next mediocre and overpriced place.

[ThirdOfFive]

I do not know how to start a thread, or I would have done so. You mentioned tip. In the past five to ten years tipping on take-out has become the norm. I use to slide a dollar across the counter when getting my coffee at DD. Now when paying for takeout, Chinese food, a pizza etc.they leave a space on the receipt to add a tip. Last night at a Chinese take-out it showed suggested tips, 22% (with amount), 25%() and 30%. This is for takeout.I had been tipping 10% for take-out and 20 to 25 for dine in. Is 10% too low (let's assume service is fine. They put the dried rice in the bag and handed it to me.).I understand I am older and most likely not up on what is customary (I recall an Uncle who tipped 12% because that is what it had been for years). Any advice is appreciated.
For what it's worth I never add a "suggested tip" (or any tip, for that matter) to the bill and then pay with a credit card. I'll leave the tip in cash, on the table, or hand it to the waitstaff in person. Also I don't tip on my perception of the quality of the food, but solely on service (from initial contact and seating throughout the meal). 10% or so for mediocre service and up from there: for truly excellent service I might go as high as 25% and a positive comment to the manager. If the food is bad, that also rates a comment to the manager but I can't hold the waitstaff liable for the quality of the food.

I've also left zero tip for truly horrific service a couple of times (one of those times was at the Light House, actually). But that is rare.

[retiredguy123]

I do not know how to start a thread, or I would have done so. You mentioned tip. In the past five to ten years tipping on take-out has become the norm. I use to slide a dollar across the counter when getting my coffee at DD. Now when paying for takeout, Chinese food, a pizza etc.they leave a space on the receipt to add a tip. Last night at a Chinese take-out it showed suggested tips, 22% (with amount), 25%() and 30%. This is for takeout.I had been tipping 10% for take-out and 20 to 25 for dine in. Is 10% too low (let's assume service is fine. They put the dried rice in the bag and handed it to me.).I understand I am older and most likely not up on what is customary (I recall an Uncle who tipped 12% because that is what it had been for years). Any advice is appreciated.
First of all, I don't agree that tipping for takeout is the norm.

Second, to start a thread, click on "forum" and "all forums home". Click on the forum topic you want and select "post new thread", and then type in your "title " your "message" and click on "submit new thread".

[Villages Kahuna]

The Lighthouse used to be one of our go-to favorites when it was more of a sports bar with good, reasonably priced entrees. Now that the owners — who failed operating Augustine’s 1812 — are on their way to another failure trying to make a high-priced white tablecloth restaurant out of the Lighthouse. We’ll wait for it to fail and be “repurposed” by the next owner before we return.

[TVTVTV]

Can anyone say "agenda" or "troll". Please...

3 posts since 2018? That was my exact thought.

[Garywt]

Sorry ,but special orders are real pain in the kitchen, now pricing that’s another story ,no answer, communication with staff confusing. but taking an attitude to never return to restaurant you enjoy is silly but you win .

I do the same thing, especially if they take money out of your pocket. If they wanted to keep the customer they would have honored the price the wait staff gave her. Plain and simple.

[golfing eagles]

I do the same thing, especially if they take money out of your pocket. If they wanted to keep the customer they would have honored the price the wait staff gave her. Plain and simple.

But what price did the wait staff give her????? $23 total or $23 add on???? Very unclear. In either case I think it was poor management to lose what she claims is a 2x/month customer for $12

[Pairadocs]

Um, Atlantic salmon? Farm raised? Oh, nonononono.
And, "fresh"? Most likely "fresh frozen".

Yes, "fresh" flash frozen usually on the boat. Those who have visited Alaska probably understand how this is done. "Atlantic" can be any variety, raised in "ponds" in huge quantities, fish are white from lack of natural sun, and color is added to make them a pale pink. Not for most of us who truly love salmon. Fresh market has deep red sockeye from Alaska IN SEASON, sometimes on sale for $19.99 a pound. I would bet $100 that is NOT what was added for $23. Lesson learned. Just like butter fish around here is sometimes very "strange".. thin filet, not "meaty, chunky" texture, same with "grouper", interesting what sometimes passes for grouper here and around central Florida !

[Pairadocs]

I do not know how to start a thread, or I would have done so. You mentioned tip. In the past five to ten years tipping on take-out has become the norm. I use to slide a dollar across the counter when getting my coffee at DD. Now when paying for takeout, Chinese food, a pizza etc.they leave a space on the receipt to add a tip. Last night at a Chinese take-out it showed suggested tips, 22% (with amount), 25%() and 30%. This is for takeout.I had been tipping 10% for take-out and 20 to 25 for dine in. Is 10% too low (let's assume service is fine. They put the dried rice in the bag and handed it to me.).I understand I am older and most likely not up on what is customary (I recall an Uncle who tipped 12% because that is what it had been for years). Any advice is appreciated.

We do, and have always, believed in (personally) rewarding those who have given exceptional service (friendly, efficient, check if anything missing or needed, hot coffee fill, and various services in hotels, cruises, etc.). HOWEVER... what you related (carryout, and places like coffee cafes, buffets, etc. that use the cash registers to "force" customers to go through a series of "tip" options, etc. have really become offensive. "Tipping" has gradually lost all meaning as tech advances have evolved into just a method of increasing the total bill, and the "custom" of personally rewarding someone with your personal "thank you" is now nothing more than a "service charge" for picking up a phoned in order ! I might add, for those who cruise often, since the days when cruising was relatively unknown and tipping was always done in a manner of PERSONAL (person to person) "thanks" to all who made the cruise so pleasant, this evolved into an automatic daily charge added to the bill in the manner of the many hotel taxes. Most recently, one cruise line tried (you can imagine the outrage) to keep a list of those who felt the service was not exceptional, and went to the hotel desk of the ship to have this, or that, tip removed. This resulted in a type of "black list" cruiser, but had to be dropped due to the push back by customers. "Way back" we often cruised on a line that required no tipping, the service was truly exceptional and the prices of the line were above the bargain lines. Even though no tipping required, the quality of the service was so high you wanted to seek our the individual employees and add additional cash along with a hand shake, sometimes even a hug, and with eye to eye contact. I know the old argument that there are just a lot of "cheap skate" (old term of my grand parents) people about, but...is that an excuse to reduce tipping to what it has become... an incentive for those who do a poor or very poor job of their assigned responsibilities to be encouraged to be even more irresponsible by receiving tips regardless. And before it all starts....LOL... Yes, I have worked many jobs that rely heavily on tips, at times in college I had as many as three such jobs at a time, and yes, I do know what it is to give my best and still get "stiffed" as we called it. But overall, the majority of people really appreciated the attentive service I always tried to provide (never hung back in the bussing area to check my phone and chat with my colleagues, had no cell phone or Facebook, or TicToc to check !) I have heard the joke among villages retail employees: What is the difference between a Villager and a canoe ? Even a canoe will tip once in awhile. I find that insulting and completely untrue. Overall, considering the limited fixed income of most retirees, most are extremely generous and understanding, even with inflation like we are experiencing, and they realize how tough it is on students and younger adults with families trying to manage on minimum wage and less. But I do maintain, if a person is very poor at their job, they should not then be encouraged to perform even worse by receiving a "tip".

[Pairadocs]

And that’s exactly why they rip people off! Acceptance of overpriced and often mis labeled mediocrity!!

There is always "voting with your feet"... that old style economics where exceptional food quality, taste, preparation, along with friendly attentive service assures repeat customers, plenty of word of mouth advertising, and a stable business. Those lacking such used to "automatically" fail due to customer dis-satisfaction ! Really got into preparing what I pronounced "exceptional" meals at home during the "pandemic". Ventured into cuisines I've never tackled at home, researched new cooking techniques and ingredients, many new recipes, etc. Now realizing, as we dine out more often again, just how "mediocre" so many meals out are ! LOL !

[Stu from NYC]

We do, and have always, believed in (personally) rewarding those who have given exceptional service (friendly, efficient, check if anything missing or needed, hot coffee fill, and various services in hotels, cruises, etc.). HOWEVER... what you related (carryout, and places like coffee cafes, buffets, etc. that use the cash registers to "force" customers to go through a series of "tip" options, etc. have really become offensive. "Tipping" has gradually lost all meaning as tech advances have evolved into just a method of increasing the total bill, and the "custom" of personally rewarding someone with your personal "thank you" is now nothing more than a "service charge" for picking up a phoned in order ! I might add, for those who cruise often, since the days when cruising was relatively unknown and tipping was always done in a manner of PERSONAL (person to person) "thanks" to all who made the cruise so pleasant, this evolved into an automatic daily charge added to the bill in the manner of the many hotel taxes. Most recently, one cruise line tried (you can imagine the outrage) to keep a list of those who felt the service was not exceptional, and went to the hotel desk of the ship to have this, or that, tip removed. This resulted in a type of "black list" cruiser, but had to be dropped due to the push back by customers. "Way back" we often cruised on a line that required no tipping, the service was truly exceptional and the prices of the line were above the bargain lines. Even though no tipping required, the quality of the service was so high you wanted to seek our the individual employees and add additional cash along with a hand shake, sometimes even a hug, and with eye to eye contact. I know the old argument that there are just a lot of "cheap skate" (old term of my grand parents) people about, but...is that an excuse to reduce tipping to what it has become... an incentive for those who do a poor or very poor job of their assigned responsibilities to be encouraged to be even more irresponsible by receiving tips regardless. And before it all starts....LOL... Yes, I have worked many jobs that rely heavily on tips, at times in college I had as many as three such jobs at a time, and yes, I do know what it is to give my best and still get "stiffed" as we called it. But overall, the majority of people really appreciated the attentive service I always tried to provide (never hung back in the bussing area to check my phone and chat with my colleagues, had no cell phone or Facebook, or TicToc to check !) I have heard the joke among villages retail employees: What is the difference between a Villager and a canoe ? Even a canoe will tip once in awhile. I find that insulting and completely untrue. Overall, considering the limited fixed income of most retirees, most are extremely generous and understanding, even with inflation like we are experiencing, and they realize how tough it is on students and younger adults with families trying to manage on minimum wage and less. But I do maintain, if a person is very poor at their job, they should not then be encouraged to perform even worse by receiving a "tip".

Very well said. Tipping has gotten way out of hand.

If we go to a sitdown restaurant and we are served we do give the server a tip. Tipping the cashier who hands us our food in a bag should not be a tipping position.

I cannot believe that on cruises we now get to tip guest services and the entertainment team. Would prefer to go back and hand tips to the people who did things for us but the cruise lines have made that impossible.

[retiredguy123]

Very well said. Tipping has gotten way out of hand.

If we go to a sitdown restaurant and we are served we do give the server a tip. Tipping the cashier who hands us our food in a bag should not be a tipping position.

I cannot believe that on cruises we now get to tip guest services and the entertainment team. Would prefer to go back and hand tips to the people who did things for us but the cruise lines have made that impossible.
I agree. Table servers are classified by the IRS as tipped employees, so they can receive a base income that is less than the minimum wage, and they get special tax treatment for their income tax. But, those who hand you a takeout bag of food are subject to the minimum wage.

[NJRICHARD]

We quit going to the Lighthouse years ago when they gave us dry martinis that left the glass 3/4 empty. I asked for the 'manager' and told her I have been drinking martinis for 40 years and never had one with this little alcohol. She said it was 2 ounces and that was how they served them. I took one of the drinks and poured it into the other and it barely came to the top! We usually ate there 2 times a week, never returned after the nasty attitude. I KNOW 2ounces is normal for a mixed drink....but not for a martini!

[dewilson58]

How, 50 post later........Lighthouse ain't as good as it was.

Hang in there....................there are options in TV.

:crap2:

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

We've only been there once, and that was just last month. The service was somewhat lacking, but the food was good and abundant.

[allsport]

Um, Atlantic salmon? Farm raised? Oh, nonononono.
And, "fresh"? Most likely "fresh frozen".

Has to be atlantic and not fresh , would bet on it.

[Worldseries27]

3 posts since 2018? That was my exact thought.
welcome aboard

[msilagy]

The waitress should have been sure the customer understood the $23 was added to the salad. Poor on her part to assume. I'm betting she would never pay that price for a salmon add on so why should she assume he would. She didn't care is my assumption. The customer could have also asked for clarification. Either way the manager should have comped the couple something in the name of goodwill. I don't eat out much in TV as I find the food tastes all the same. When I go north for 5 months I truly enjoy eating out.

[Herbflosdorf]

Easy to tell difference between Farm and Atlantic Salmon.
No pronounced fat lines on Atlantic Salmon.
Same for Trout as well.

Any "Atlantic salmon" that you buy in Florida is "farm raised". Commercial fishing for Atlantic salmon in the United States is prohibited.

[Marathon Man]

Howie has been on TOTV for about 5 years. Two posts,
both complaints. .

If everyone here for 5 years hasn't figured out the restaurant scene, especially Howie who goes to that restaurant 2 times a month. .

geez people, get the hook out of your cheeks. .

Yep. I tend to disregard complaints by those who have only complaints.

[Chi-Town]

Had the two egg breakfast at Keke's. Asked for an additional pancake, surprised at the bill when it was $8.99. Beware of add- ons.

[Causey]

We have been here a year and a half. Went to the Lighthouse once, both of us were disappointed and thought the food and the service were marginal at best. Have not been back. The topic of the Lighthouse came up in conversation with another couple that gave the Lighthouse a great review. We thought maybe we should give it another chance. After reading this thread, I don't think we will take the chance.
To me a "hit or miss" restaurant means a "poorly run restaurant".

[jcreason5616]

First question. WHY did you go there? I think the first thing we were told when we moved to TV was don’t eat at The Lighthouse. But we did anyway. And then we never did again. Cafeteria quality food at Waldorf prices.

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

Very well said. Tipping has gotten way out of hand.

If we go to a sitdown restaurant and we are served we do give the server a tip. Tipping the cashier who hands us our food in a bag should not be a tipping position.

I cannot believe that on cruises we now get to tip guest services and the entertainment team. Would prefer to go back and hand tips to the people who did things for us but the cruise lines have made that impossible.if you don’t want to put any money in those cups , just don’t do it ,but please don’t complain to management about getting rid of them , I keep some dollars around just for cups of coffee or something small, because I use my credit card for everything . I don’t look at it as a tip ,I look at it as helping to subsidize someone’s low salary.I don’t cook ever so it’s either take out or restaurant , maybe I’m just easy to please but I’ve had very little bad service here and it happens mostly with someone new , you remember when you were new at something , OH I forgot most people here were perfect at there jobs from DAY 1 anyway try not to have your day ruined because someone left a cup out maybe to get a few more dollars to spend on there children or to help with the rent , others might want to help .

[Nana2Teddy]

Reminds me that the bears will soon be returning to Brooks Falls. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJNtrbmpVVs
My favorite summertime webcam for many years now. C’mon Otis! 😍

[Lottoguy]

What a major mistake they made the way they treated you! Now look at the result. Your post has loads of views and responses. Negative reviews in the restaurant industry is a MUST to avoid. I wouldn't be surprised if they reach out to you after seeing this.

[Ele201]

So $12 for a "grilled" Ceasar salad? What was grilled in it (chicken)? Did the "grilled" item come with your salad and salmon?
The “grilled” refers to the greens in the salad, the romaine. Nothing else included.

[waterflower]

bioengineered

[Ele201]

View is nice but nothing else about it is good. How do restaurants like this stay in business?
The view, that’s how! While the Villages has many pros, it’s not next to any large lakes or the ocean. So restaurants offering any kind of view of the water will always be in demand. Hope the food and pricing improves, but won’t stop me from going!

[Nana2Teddy]

if you don’t want to put any money in those cups , just don’t do it ,but please don’t complain to management about getting rid of them , I keep some dollars around just for cups of coffee or something small, because I use my credit card for everything . I don’t look at it as a tip ,I look at it as helping to subsidize someone’s low salary.I don’t cook ever so it’s either take out or restaurant , maybe I’m just easy to please but I’ve had very little bad service here and it happens mostly with someone new , you remember when you were new at something , OH I forgot most people here were perfect at there jobs from DAY 1 anyway try not to have your day ruined because someone left a cup out maybe to get a few more dollars to spend on there children or to help with the rent , others might want to help .
Love this! ❤️ Thank you!

[Rainger99]

Had the two egg breakfast at Keke's. Asked for an additional pancake, surprised at the bill when it was $8.99. Beware of add- ons.

What was the regular price for the two egg breakfast? If it was $2.99, you got ripped off. If it was $7.99, you got a bargain.

[Stu from NYC]

if you don’t want to put any money in those cups , just don’t do it ,but please don’t complain to management about getting rid of them , I keep some dollars around just for cups of coffee or something small, because I use my credit card for everything . I don’t look at it as a tip ,I look at it as helping to subsidize someone’s low salary.I don’t cook ever so it’s either take out or restaurant , maybe I’m just easy to please but I’ve had very little bad service here and it happens mostly with someone new , you remember when you were new at something , OH I forgot most people here were perfect at there jobs from DAY 1 anyway try not to have your day ruined because someone left a cup out maybe to get a few more dollars to spend on there children or to help with the rent , others might want to help .

Thanks for your post. I do not complain to management about the cup, just do not put any money into it. Something a heck of a lot worse has to happen to ruin my day.

Very rare to get bad service around here and can count on one hand when it has happened. Happen to think I do tip nicely for service.

[Cybersprings]

If only you hadn't added the "I can buy this for less at the store" your complaint would be mostly valid.

You invalidated the complaint with that single statement though.

To explain - since I realize logic is not everyone's forte:
...
A valid argument might be "I can make BETTER for less, and so I shall."

If you know you can get something for less somewhere else, and that is your argument for complaining about the price of something, then - get it for less somewhere else. Or just accept that at THIS place, there's an add-on price of $23 for salmon. Lighthouse is not an inexpensive middle-quality chain restaurant.

I just have to chuckle at the logic is not everyone's forte statement embedded in this.
1. While you are correct that everything is cheaper at home, the fact that 1 point of support in an argument is moot does not invalidate an entire argument. But I realize logic is not everyone's forte.
2. Offering what you think is a valid argument when it is not the poster's point at all is simply irrelevant.



You would've been better off not trying to do things "cheap" and instead selected the bourbon salmon dinner, with a caesar salad add-on. That would've been only $32 and would've included vegetables and rice.

What??? The person wanted a ceasar salad with salmon, not a salmon dinner with a caeser addon. What about that is going cheap. I cannot begin to tell you how many times my wife has ordered a caeser salad with salmon or chicken. That is not going cheap. In fact, it is rare occurence when I have seen a caeser salad as a menu item when I have not seen the add on price for chicken, salmon or shrimp listed.

Then there are numerous posts about the price of salmon. While the poster, in the midst of being shocked and irritated, might not have quoted an accurate price of salmon, all of those posts are ridiculous. AT THE RESTAURANT IN QUESTION, a salmon dinner is $26 and with an addon caeser apparently $32. A Salmon berry salad for $28. (I am trusting the verious posters are accurate, I don't actually know). The person asked (or was trying to ask)what the price of the salad would be with salmon. The answer he received was $23. Why would anyone think the price would be $35?? Did they use extra-special salmon for his salad that cost more than all of their other salmon dishes?

I love the lighthouse. My belief when u are eating at an establishment, pick something off menu that you don’t need to alter unless it is for dietary reasons. Or cook at home.

Again, a caeser salad with add on of chicken or salmon is ubiquitous. This person did not invent some strange menu item or try to get something for nothing. I would bet the restaurant is asked that question multiple times per day.

Howie has been on TOTV for about 5 years. Two posts,
both complaints. .



3 posts since 2018? That was my exact thought.

Really people. Someone has had 2 complaints in 5 years and that makes them a troll, chronic complainer or having an agenda? Are you saying that 7000 post such as those using faulty logic repeatedly and accusing others of faulty logic somehow is better? 2 posts that make sense outweigh 7000 posts that don't by a huge margin.

Some people are pathetic. Use the info of the original poster however you want or not at all. If you go there often and enjoy it and have no issues, post something like "it sux you had a bad experience there, but I have had nothing but good experiences there." Then people can make their own judgement call. But I think some folks just like to try to appear better than others. Just so you know, for those of us with our eyes open and able to think, it's not working.

[Cybersprings]

Yep. I tend to disregard complaints by those who have only complaints.

Looked through your posts. Lots of complaints, mainly about what people post. I think being contrary to most postings/posters is more of a troll and worthy of disregard than 2 complaints in 5 years. But carry on.

[Golfer222]

^
Could not agree more- too many here make it their pastime to denigrate and belittle and play "gotcha" to other posters instead of providing substance

[Shbullet]

Yep. I tend to disregard complaints by those who have only complaints.

The OP was just giving all a heads up. If you find a need to check his profile history to determine the validity of his complaint, then go buy the 23$ salmon add-on.. Give the guy a break, you may be a bit too anal..

[Chi-Town]

What was the regular price for the two egg breakfast? If it was $2.99, you got ripped off. If it was $7.99, you got a bargain.

Not sure about your math. The two egg breakfast was $9.49. Adding a pancake was an additional $8.99. The pancake was very good though.

[Stu from NYC]

Not sure about your math. The two egg breakfast was $9.49. Adding a pancake was an additional $8.99. The pancake was very good though.

Hope pancake was bigger then the plate for 8.99

[Rainger99]

Not sure about your math. The two egg breakfast was $9.49. Adding a pancake was an additional $8.99. The pancake was very good though.

Your original post was ambiguous. You didn't give the price of the two egg breakfast.
Had the two egg breakfast at Keke's. Asked for an additional pancake, surprised at the bill when it was $8.99.

I thought the word "it" referred to the bill - not to the price of the pancake. I can't believe anyplace charges $8.99 for a pancake. That would be a ripoff.

I checked the prices at Cracker Barrel. Three pancakes are $8.69.

https://www.crackerbarrel.com/menu/breakfast-all-day#

I also checked the price of pancakes at Darrell's. $4.99 for a full stack and $4.49 for a short stack. At Reveille, an order is $7.59. According to Keke's website, three pancakes are $10.29.

Menu — Keke's Breakfast Cafe (https://www.kekes.com/menu)

And the price at TPC Sawgrass for pancakes is $12. Assume that it is at least two and probably three.

https://tpc.com/sawgrass/wp-content/uploads/sites/51/2023/05/fileuploads_125737_4572167_254-b7fa81d5dedb984bc30ddb0a50a54ac8_Breakfast_FINAL_-_05.01.2023.pdf


I think $8.99 for a pancake is worse than $23 for salmon.

[Stu from NYC]

Wonder what they would charge for a half of a piece of salmon? Asking for a a friend

[Skip]

Wonder what they would charge for a half of a piece of salmon? Asking for a a friend

Heads or Tails?

Skip

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

Thanks for your post. I do not complain to management about the cup, just do not put any money into it. Something a heck of a lot worse has to happen to ruin my day.

Very rare to get bad service around here and can count on one hand when it has happened. Happen to think I do tip nicely for service.sorry that rant was just in general to many posters over different threads that have been annoyed with the cups ,I just happened to use yours ,I should have made it just a stand alone post

[Stu from NYC]

sorry that rant was just in general to many posters over different threads that have been annoyed with the cups ,I just happened to use yours ,I should have made it just a stand alone post

No problem. Your body of work on here helps me to understand you as well as respect you.

[Pairadocs]

^
Could not agree more- too many here make it their pastime to denigrate and belittle and play "gotcha" to other posters instead of providing substance

Agree ! For those out there with some background in human psychology and personality; it's sometimes interesting to ponder comments at a deeper than surface level. Not trying to get too "Freudian", but according to statistics this is a community with a higher than average educational level, so most have probably at least had one psychology course post high school. Why DO (some) people have to have the "last word" ? Why DO (some) people refute the experiences of others, but give no foundational evidence ? Why do people feel compelled to give advice NOT asked for and/or do all they can to insist others do as they have done ? (LEAVE your "stuff" where you are, buy all NEW "STUFF" here.... obviously that made one person very happy, another might experience deep regret). The point of this is there are much better ways to express one's self. One of the best is to is to "share" a thought or opinion, NOT issue a written directive in a manner to (as you said) belittle others. For extreme examples of this type of personal insecurity, there is an on line "news paper" that posts every negative they can find concerning the villages (not so much about other retirement communities, but some). Reading the "comments" following the "articles" is most enlightening, and illustrates the EXTREME need some have to "trash" others in an attempt to feel better about their own life, choice of location, career, etc. Calling an entire population of ANY retirement community, or town, or traditional development such things as "idiots", "entitled trash", "drunks", etc. only illustrates the internal issues of the writer ! To a lesser degree, some posters on totv's are going to display the same characteristics, elevating themselves (in their own minds) not by the wisdom of their thoughts, but by diminishing others. When people begin comments with "YOU"..... that can be a red flag. When people post comments with ... I or We... and then relate their experience, it is a more civil exchange of ideas ! "YOU should cook at home then", or "YOU should move as soon as possible" say a lot about the poster. Writing "We have found buying quality ingredients and preparing fine dining experiences at home has given us a whole new hobby" is a far better way to express the same thought then beginning with YOU should do this or that. Rather than "just move, get out", could post: "If I really was as unhappy as you relate about circumstances here, I think I would begin to explore other locations and communities, no use spending your last years in unhappiness". So, just some examples of how people "could" write when they make posts, and be less abrasive, insulting, and self-righteous.... IMHO, which may be useless !

[Stu from NYC]

Heads or Tails?

Skip

Yes!:bigbow:

[Aloha1]

The Lighthouse location would be a great place for a casual seafood restaurant.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

The Lighthouse location would be a great place for a casual seafood restaurant.

Imagine that...

[Stu from NYC]

The Lighthouse location would be a great place for a casual seafood restaurant.

It would be, when people start telling us again it is worth a visit we will come back. For what we paid last time did not appreciate cheap plastic utensils that kept breaking.

[Cybersprings]

Agree ! For those out there with some background in human psychology and personality; it's sometimes interesting to ponder comments at a deeper than surface level. Not trying to get too "Freudian", but according to statistics this is a community with a higher than average educational level, so most have probably at least had one psychology course post high school. Why DO (some) people have to have the "last word" ? Why DO (some) people refute the experiences of others, but give no foundational evidence ? Why do people feel compelled to give advice NOT asked for and/or do all they can to insist others do as they have done ? (LEAVE your "stuff" where you are, buy all NEW "STUFF" here.... obviously that made one person very happy, another might experience deep regret). The point of this is there are much better ways to express one's self. One of the best is to is to "share" a thought or opinion, NOT issue a written directive in a manner to (as you said) belittle others. For extreme examples of this type of personal insecurity, there is an on line "news paper" that posts every negative they can find concerning the villages (not so much about other retirement communities, but some). Reading the "comments" following the "articles" is most enlightening, and illustrates the EXTREME need some have to "trash" others in an attempt to feel better about their own life, choice of location, career, etc. Calling an entire population of ANY retirement community, or town, or traditional development such things as "idiots", "entitled trash", "drunks", etc. only illustrates the internal issues of the writer ! To a lesser degree, some posters on totv's are going to display the same characteristics, elevating themselves (in their own minds) not by the wisdom of their thoughts, but by diminishing others. When people begin comments with "YOU"..... that can be a red flag. When people post comments with ... I or We... and then relate their experience, it is a more civil exchange of ideas ! "YOU should cook at home then", or "YOU should move as soon as possible" say a lot about the poster. Writing "We have found buying quality ingredients and preparing fine dining experiences at home has given us a whole new hobby" is a far better way to express the same thought then beginning with YOU should do this or that. Rather than "just move, get out", could post: "If I really was as unhappy as you relate about circumstances here, I think I would begin to explore other locations and communities, no use spending your last years in unhappiness". So, just some examples of how people "could" write when they make posts, and be less abrasive, insulting, and self-righteous.... IMHO, which may be useless !

one of the best posts I have ever read on TOTV. Thanks

[Sorrento19]

salad and $23 for add-on salmon = $35.. . Asked for mgr and she said that's how much a salmon add on is and it's fresh. Told her I eat a lot of salads and usually $7-9 for add on. She WOULDN"T budge. Told her I can buy 1lb of Atlantic salmon for $8.99/lb at Fresh Market.
I did ask ahead of time for the price and had I understood the add on was $23 extra and not the TOTAL cost, I would have passed on it.
BYE-BYE Lighthouse and my 2 visits a month.[/QUOTE]

[Sorrento19]

If this happens to you again just refuse to pay for it. Simple

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

If this happens to you again just refuse to pay for it. Simple

If it happens to them again, they already know what the answer will be. And by going there again, they accept that they'll be charged $23 for the salmon again. If they refuse to pay, then they're buy food and refusing to pay for it. That's called theft. They can be arrested for it.

[golfing eagles]

If this happens to you again just refuse to pay for it. Simple

Then management detains you until the police arrive----simple.