Our Weather Is Innocent

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Find out why during a talk called "The Dangerous EPA Endangerment Finding" on May 22 at 1 PM at the Bridgeport Recreation Center, for the Science & Technology club. While our weather is innocent, how it's viewed is not.

[Taltarzac725]

Find out why during a talk called "The Dangerous EPA Endangerment Finding" on May 22 at 1 PM at the Bridgeport Recreation Center, for the Science & Technology club. While our weather is innocent, how it's viewed is not.

Especially when many facts are ignored for the purpose of pushing an agenda of denying global warming.

[fdpaq0580]

Especially when many facts are ignored for the purpose of pushing an agenda of denying global warming.

You weren't supposed to spot the (not so well ) hidden agenda. They would like us to believe they can Make America's Weather Great Again by abusing the science and denying the truth.

[justjim]

Climate change always a spirited discussion. On the other hand, boring for others.

[huge-pigeons]

Pure propaganda. Which scientist did they use? Gore? Greta Thunberg? Read this:

Whether most scientists outside climatology believe that global warming is happening is less relevant than whether the climatologists do. A letter signed by over 50 leading members of the American Meteorological Society warned about the policies promoted by environmental pressure groups. “The policy initiatives derive from highly uncertain scientific theories. They are based on the unsupported assumption that catastrophic global warming follows from the burning of fossil fuel and requires immediate action. We do not agree.”2 Those who have signed the letter represent the overwhelming majority of climate change scientists in the United States, of whom there are about 60. McMichael and Haines quote the 1995 report of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), which is widely believed to “prove” that climate change induced by humans has occurred.3 The original draft document did not say this. What happened was that the policymakers’ summary (which became the “take home message” for politicians) altered the conclusions of the scientists. This led Dr Frederick Seitz, former head of the United States National Academy of Sciences, to write, “In more than sixty years as a member of the American scientific community ... I have never witnessed a more disturbing corruption of the peer-review process than the events that led to this IPCC report.”4

[Bertram00]

Pure propaganda. Which scientist did they use? Gore? Greta Thunberg? Read this:

Whether most scientists outside climatology believe that global warming is happening is less relevant than whether the climatologists do. A letter signed by over 50 leading members of the American Meteorological Society warned about the policies promoted by environmental pressure groups. “The policy initiatives derive from highly uncertain scientific theories. They are based on the unsupported assumption that catastrophic global warming follows from the burning of fossil fuel and requires immediate action. We do not agree.”2 Those who have signed the letter represent the overwhelming majority of climate change scientists in the United States, of whom there are about 60. McMichael and Haines quote the 1995 report of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), which is widely believed to “prove” that climate change induced by humans has occurred.3 The original draft document did not say this. What happened was that the policymakers’ summary (which became the “take home message” for politicians) altered the conclusions of the scientists. This led Dr Frederick Seitz, former head of the United States National Academy of Sciences, to write, “In more than sixty years as a member of the American scientific community ... I have never witnessed a more disturbing corruption of the peer-review process than the events that led to this IPCC report.”4

Wow, 50 out of a total membership of over 13000 and we're supposed to be impressed ❓🤣🤣🤣

[Susan1717]

Since countries such as China and where much of our oil is coming from have such substandard facilities, and add in the footprint to ship all these resources to our country…. For global climate health wouldn’t it make more sense to bring back as much as possible to our country to be more independent and control the situations? Now, add in war possibilities etc; it makes even more sense to have as much control over what we utilize. Battery driven items such as cars are not as climate friendly as we are lead and make us that much more dependent on other countries. There are also way too many situations where an electric car would be impossible!! What about those millions in large condos where there would be no way to provide as many charging stations needed to say a 300 unit building. Or also, oeopke living in large cities that must use street parking?

[Normal]

When discussing climate (long span) many confuse it with the term weather (short span). Regardless, the politicians go for opinion on the “cause”, because it is where they can gain points. What a shame.

Real science looks at the reasons our Earth continues to warm and cool many times over. Yes, dinosaurs roamed the Earth when it underwent one of its warmer times, and yes, we have gone through several ice ages too. Those facts aren’t disputed by the rational. The reasons are explained in many ways, but most agree it has to do with the Earth’s elliptical orbital movement around the sun.

Alas, solving the frustration seems pointless. Neanderthals in cognitive ability point to the Cuyahoga catching fire or we have cleaner air now, and then build their premises to shaking us all down. I’d rather not contribute to either, and instead save my money for groceries.

[GizmoWhiskers]

Find out why during a talk called "The Dangerous EPA Endangerment Finding" on May 22 at 1 PM at the Bridgeport Recreation Center, for the Science & Technology club. While our weather is innocent, how it's viewed is not.
I'm going to go out on an infraction clickbait limb for some and say:

Cool, will we be discussing global weather geoengineering at all?

[NoMo50]

Follow the money. Always...follow the money.

[Notsocrates]

Wow, 50 out of a total membership of over 13000 and we're supposed to be impressed ❓🤣🤣🤣

How many contemporaries agreed with Galileo?

[Notsocrates]

Wow, 50 out of a total membership of over 13000 and we're supposed to be impressed ❓🤣🤣🤣

How many contemporaries agreed with Galileo?
Science us either valid or not.
It's not a popularity contest

[mntlblok]

Had wondered whether something like this existed here. Thanks to this post, I now know. Cool!

Villages Discussion Groups (https://www.villagesdiscussiongroups.com/)

There goes my chance to learn Mahjong. :-)

[Taltarzac725]

I like the Weather Channel. They actually have people with meteorological degrees.

[Marine1974]

It’s all about getting your $$$$ , you can’t fix it .

[Marine1974]

They who say they can fix it are only after your $$$$ .

[sounding]

I like the Weather Channel. They actually have people with meteorological degrees.

Michael Mann lost a climate change lawsuit - and he has many weather degrees.

[ThirdOfFive]

Find out why during a talk called "The Dangerous EPA Endangerment Finding" on May 22 at 1 PM at the Bridgeport Recreation Center, for the Science & Technology club. While our weather is innocent, how it's viewed is not.
Read a story once about how a community of fleas arranged a committee to explore ways to control the dog.

[sounding]

I like the Weather Channel. They actually have people with meteorological degrees.

Not all Meteorological degrees are properly used. For example, here is one of many examples of bad science on the Weather Channel's website.

[Regorp]

Find out why during a talk called "The Dangerous EPA Endangerment Finding" on May 22 at 1 PM at the Bridgeport Recreation Center, for the Science & Technology club. While our weather is innocent, how it's viewed is not.

Global warming is a myth. Earth has gone through many changes during its life and now man has given it a name. Cavemen called it "ugh". It is all the cycle of life.

[rogerk]

Especially when many facts are ignored for the purpose of pushing an agenda of denying global warming.
And Vice Versa

[ThirdOfFive]

Global warming is a myth. Earth has gone through many changes during its life and now man has given it a name. Cavemen called it "ugh". It is all the cycle of life.
Well, it may be a myth, but it surely is a great way of controlling the gullible.

[Johnsocat]

Wow, 50 out of a total membership of over 13000 and we're supposed to be impressed ❓🤣🤣🤣

It worked when 51 previous Intel officials wrote a letter...

[Taltarzac725]

Evidence | Facts – Climate Change: Vital Signs of the Planet (https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/)

Tell that to NASA!

[Taltarzac725]

If you are not a scientist, and you disagree with scientists about science, it’s actually not a disagreement. You're just wrong. Science is not truth. Science is finding the truth. When science changes its opinion, it didn't lie to you. It learned more.
This above is by Mohamad Safa.

There are huge changes in the history of science but those usually are because of new ways of looking at the world due to contact with other ways of approaching facts. Galileo, Darwin, Einstein, etc. Ideas that made the modern world - from Galileo to Einstein and Fibonacci to Darwin | Christie's (https://www.christies.com/features/ideas-that-made-the-modern-world-12362-1.aspx)

[Larchap49]

You weren't supposed to spot the (not so well ) hidden agenda. They would like us to believe they can Make America's Weather Great Again by abusing the science and denying the truth.

Climate change has been going on for millions of years before man kind and will continue after we are gone. Stop listening to the propaganda and research the real independent studies and their findings. While the pundits point to a few receding glaciers in the north the ive pack in the south grows at unprecedented amounts.

[Larchap49]

Since countries such as China and where much of our oil is coming from have such substandard facilities, and add in the footprint to ship all these resources to our country…. For global climate health wouldn’t it make more sense to bring back as much as possible to our country to be more independent and control the situations? Now, add in war possibilities etc; it makes even more sense to have as much control over what we utilize. Battery driven items such as cars are not as climate friendly as we are lead and make us that much more dependent on other countries. There are also way too many situations where an electric car would be impossible!! What about those millions in large condos where there would be no way to provide as many charging stations needed to say a 300 unit building. Or also, oeopke living in large cities that must use street parking?

Also take a look around you. How many everyday items disappear if fossil fuel use stops. Almost everything you can see or touch. All plastics, most synthetic fabrics, your car electric or not reduced to a pile of scrap metal, oh no That's right metal could not be produced without fossil fuel. Pavement for the roads and the equipment to make and install it, food production and packaging, and on and on. Be careful what you wish for. Also all components of mining raw materials and producing components and transporting the raw materials and the finished product are diesel powered. Even the glasses sitting on your nose allowing you to read this disappear without fossil fuel production. Just saying

[sounding]

Climate change has been going on for millions of years before man kind and will continue after we are gone. Stop listening to the propaganda and research the real independent studies and their findings. While the pundits point to a few receding glaciers in the north the ive pack in the south grows at unprecedented amounts.

The current 7-year global cooling trend is a good example of global warming you will never hear about on the Weather Channel.

[Two Bills]

Our Weather Is Innocent

Prisons are full of innocent people as well.

[Bill14564]

The current 7-year global cooling trend is a good example of global warming you will never hear about on the Weather Channel.

Because it isn’t true as explained many times before. Please leave the data analysis to those who have a clue.

[TeresaE]

Especially when many facts are ignored for the purpose of pushing an agenda of denying global warming.

I’m so tired of this narrative. It’s the premise that climate change is man made, specifically by carbon emissions, that many of us question. There is plenty of science that disproves the premise. In stead of a healthy debate we have knee jerk reactions that become government policy. So now we’re ripping apart the rainforests to mine lithium for batteries to power electric vehicles. How does that make sense?

[Taltarzac725]

I’m so tired of this narrative. It’s the premise that climate change is man made, specifically by carbon emissions, that many of us question. There is plenty of science that disproves the premise. In stead of a healthy debate we have knee jerk reactions that become government policy. So now we’re ripping apart the rainforests to mine lithium for batteries to power electric vehicles. How does that make sense?

Show us that science. I have seen very little genuine theories refuting global warming. Lots of junk science though.

[sounding]

Show us that science. I have seen very little genuine theories refuting global warming. Lots of junk science though.

Oh but global warming is real -- we are still thawing out from the Little Ice Age -- and there's nothing anyone can do about it except to enjoy the ride.

[Vermilion Villager]

Wow, 50 out of a total membership of over 13000 and we're supposed to be impressed ❓🤣🤣🤣
Exactly!!!! Cherry picking on steroids!!!!

[Vermilion Villager]

Global warming is a myth. Earth has gone through many changes during its life and now man has given it a name. Cavemen called it "ugh". It is all the cycle of life.
You know they have ways of proving everything you just wrote is wrong don't you?

[Vermilion Villager]

Also take a look around you. How many everyday items disappear if fossil fuel use stops. Almost everything you can see or touch. All plastics, most synthetic fabrics, your car electric or not reduced to a pile of scrap metal, oh no That's right metal could not be produced without fossil fuel. Pavement for the roads and the equipment to make and install it, food production and packaging, and on and on. Be careful what you wish for. Also all components of mining raw materials and producing components and transporting the raw materials and the finished product are diesel powered. Even the glasses sitting on your nose allowing you to read this disappear without fossil fuel production. Just saying
So whats your answer when the fossil fuels finally do stop? :confused: And please don't play the I'll be dead by then card

[Vermilion Villager]

I’m so tired of this narrative. It’s the premise that climate change is man made, specifically by carbon emissions, that many of us question. There is plenty of science that disproves the premise. In stead of a healthy debate we have knee jerk reactions that become government policy. So now we’re ripping apart the rainforests to mine lithium for batteries to power electric vehicles. How does that make sense?
Oh so now you're a tree hugger!!!!:1rotfl:
Tell me one rainforest those being ripped apart for lithium mines.........

[Taltarzac725]

6 Claims Made by Climate Change Skeptics—and How to Respond | Rainforest Alliance (https://www.rainforest-alliance.org/everyday-actions/6-claims-made-by-climate-change-skeptics-and-how-to-respond/?c_src=MDS22VX&c_src2=22vvmmembcpc&creative=515229014072&keyword=global%20warming&matchtype=b&network=g&device=c&gad=1&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI6Z2EpaWH_wIViiuzAB3U7AdeEAAYASAA EgJks_D_BwE)

It is like we should all freeze to death because we are in a naturally occurring ice age not caused by all the pollution we have put in the air over the past 200 years or so.

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6 Claims Made by Climate Change Skeptics—and How to Respond | Rainforest Alliance (https://www.rainforest-alliance.org/everyday-actions/6-claims-made-by-climate-change-skeptics-and-how-to-respond/?c_src=MDS22VX&c_src2=22vvmmembcpc&creative=515229014072&keyword=global%20warming&matchtype=b&network=g&device=c&gad=1&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI6Z2EpaWH_wIViiuzAB3U7AdeEAAYASAA EgJks_D_BwE)

It is like we should all freeze to death because we are in a naturally occurring ice age not caused by all the pollution we have put in the air over the past 200 years or so.

The answer to all questions is easy ... they changed the name from Global Warming to Climate Change ... because they know what's coming.

[Keefelane66]

Oh so now you're a tree hugger!!!!:1rotfl:
Tell me one rainforest those being ripped apart for lithium mines.........
Brazilian forests are or have been clear cut for sugarcane in ethanol production not for lithium

[Direwolf]

Oh so now you're a tree hugger!!!!:1rotfl:
Tell me one rainforest those being ripped apart for lithium mines.........

How the rise of electric cars endangers the ‘last frontier’ of the Philippines (https://www.nbcnews.com/specials/rise-of-electric-cars-endangers-last-frontier-philippines/index.html)

[MrChipster]

I like the Weather Channel. They actually have people with meteorological degrees.

Yes, I also like the weather channel but for some odd reason find that their 7 day forecasts to be off an average of 10 degrees F and rain forecasts to be 50% correct. This leads me to suspect their 50 year forecasts and their ability to determine cause.

[sounding]

Yes, I also like the weather channel but for some odd reason find that their 7 day forecasts to be off an average of 10 degrees F and rain forecasts to be 50% correct. This leads me to suspect their 50 year forecasts and their ability to determine cause.

All the forecast models go berserk beyond a month or so. When looking into the methodology, they force plant food (CO2) into the models and thus we have failed forecasts. Here's one of many examples, where the monthly and seasonal forecasts are almost always too hot on average. This is NOAA verification data - freely available on the Internet.

[sounding]

Find out why during a talk called "The Dangerous EPA Endangerment Finding" on May 22 at 1 PM at the Bridgeport Recreation Center, for the Science & Technology club. While our weather is innocent, how it's viewed is not.

Looks like Wind Turbines are no longer innocent - they use fossil fuel to keep going ...https://twitter.com/JunkScience/status/1660461198607802369

[Taltarzac725]

Useful Websites - Climate Change & Global Warming Research Guide - Guides at DePaul University (https://libguides.depaul.edu/c.php?g=253564&p=1690283)

Worth a look for those wanting to look deeper into this issue. And check what your alma mater's library has to offer online.

[NoMo50]

We recently had a layover in Seattle on a flight home from Hawaii. Inside the terminal, there were signs everywhere listing a website where travelers could go to donate $3.00 in order to reduce their carbon footprint prior to boarding a flight. Plain and simple folks, it's all about the money.

[Worldseries27]

follow the money. Always...follow the money.
always the truth, the rest is details

[TeresaE]

[QUOTE=Taltarzac725;2219714]Show us that science. I have seen very little genuine theories refuting global warming. Lots of junk science though.[/

First, not refuting global warming, just that humankind and carbon emissions are the cause. Our planet is coming out of what is called the little ice age. Look it up. Second, the computer models used to “predict” global warming are obviously flawed. Third, look up John Stossel. He’s done extensive reporting on the climate change hoax. Plenty of quality science there. It’s just been censored.

[Worldseries27]

we recently had a layover in seattle on a flight home from hawaii. Inside the terminal, there were signs everywhere listing a website where travelers could go to donate $3.00 in order to reduce their carbon footprint prior to boarding a flight. Plain and simple folks, it's all about the money.
all due respect p.t.b.b., it's every second.
Their hands are in our left pocket, our right pocket and up

[TeresaE]

So whats your answer when the fossil fuels finally do stop? :confused: And please don't play the I'll be dead by then card

Fossil fuels will never disappear. The earth is constantly making more. Yes I’ve read the scientific literature Hard to find because that censored too.

[Whitley]

Especially when many facts are ignored for the purpose of pushing an agenda of denying global warming.

I have not heard anyone deny that temperatures are warming. I believe the discussion is how much is attributable to humans, and what, if anything, can be done.

[Kenswing]

Same people. Same arguments. How cute.

[Whitley]

Michael Mann lost a climate change lawsuit - and he has many weather degrees.

Perhaps so but he came up with some really great TV series in the eighties.

[Whitley]

I’m so tired of this narrative. It’s the premise that climate change is man made, specifically by carbon emissions, that many of us question. There is plenty of science that disproves the premise. In stead of a healthy debate we have knee jerk reactions that become government policy. So now we’re ripping apart the rainforests to mine lithium for batteries to power electric vehicles. How does that make sense?

The real question would be; Politicians know the truth so then why are they pushing this agenda?

[Whitley]

So whats your answer when the fossil fuels finally do stop? :confused: And please don't play the I'll be dead by then card

Freshman year of college, 1980, we were told 1) we were at the beginning of an ice age, forests would be gone by 2010; oil would be depleted by 1994. We adapt, create new technologies. We have more forestland now that we did in 1923.

[Keefelane66]

Perhaps so but he came up with some really great TV series in the eighties.
Not the movie/film director same name different profession

[Normal]

This is all about an agenda to force on others. Climates have changed since the beginning of Earth’s time.

The primary weapon of choice for those who want their point of view to win is the conflating of terms to win arguments.

Watch out for the mixtures of weather vs. climate, global warming vs. climate change and the hypothesized causes.

It’s all science amalgamated with spin also known as conflation…

[Snprentice]

Politicians making money from foreign countries and
Destroying America. Open our pipe lines and close the border. Send illegals back.

[fdpaq0580]

Same people. Same arguments. How cute.

Glad you enjoy the debate. Everyone sticks to their own "faith", espousing it as the only truth. No one changes sides, and in the end we will all be the losers.

[Taltarzac725]

The "show me who benefits from the money" line also applies to Cancer Research, Alzheimer's Research, etc. Which are very very real as is Global Warming. And what difference does it make if it is on some millions of years cycle? Us, our children, our grandkids, our great grandkids will at some point pay for our stupidity in not taking this problem seriously NOW.

[fdpaq0580]

The "show me who benefits from the money" line also applies to Cancer Research, Alzheimer's Research, etc. Which are very very real as is Global Warming. And what difference does it make it if is on some millions of years cycle? Us, our children, our grandkids, our great grandkids will at some point pay for our stupidity in not taking this problem seriously NOW.

Truth!

[Vermilion Villager]

Fossil fuels will never disappear. The earth is constantly making more. Yes I’ve read the scientific literature Hard to find because that censored too.

And.....Who is doing this censoring??? While you're at it, please explain to the rest of us mere mortals how YOU were able to find it?????:bigbow:

[fdpaq0580]

And.....Who is doing this censoring??? While you're at it, please explain to the rest of us mere mortals how YOU were able to find it?????:bigbow:

No one, I'm guessing. But, hey, conspiracy theories can be fun.

[Normal]

The "show me who benefits from the money" line also applies to Cancer Research, Alzheimer's Research, etc. Which are very very real as is Global Warming. And what difference does it make if it is on some millions of years cycle? Us, our children, our grandkids, our great grandkids will at some point pay for our stupidity in not taking this problem seriously NOW.


Comparing the curable to Global Warming…OK Chicken Little…go ahead and change the Earth’s orbit. /s/. Milankovitch must have been a terrible scientist.

[Taltarzac725]

Comparing the curable to Global Warming…OK Chicken Little…go ahead and change the Earth’s orbit. /s/. Milankovitch must have been a terrible scientist.

Cancer and Alzheimer's are not exactly conquered.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

This is the most reasonable things I've ever seen on the issue.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSrjAXK5pGw&t=3s

[JMintzer]

This is the most reasonable things I've ever seen on the issue.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSrjAXK5pGw&t=3s

Excellent video. I've been trying to tell that to people for years. Unfortunately, it falls on deaf ears. Just like it will in this thread...

[Stu from NYC]

This is the most reasonable things I've ever seen on the issue.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSrjAXK5pGw&t=3s

Very interesting.

[Taltarzac725]

This is the most reasonable things I've ever seen on the issue.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSrjAXK5pGw&t=3s

Bad logic. Bumper sticker approach to a very complicated subject.

[JMintzer]

Bad logic. Bumper sticker approach to a very complicated subject.

You're right. It points out the "bad logic" of making claims without stating how those claims relate to the data... Which is what far too many "climate alarmists" are doing...

[Taltarzac725]

You're right. It points out the "bad logic" of making claims without stating how those claims relate to the data... Which is what far too many "climate alarmists" are doing...

False dilemma - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemma)

There is a lot going on with Global Warming which is happening now whether or not people want to deal with it.

False Dilemma (https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/logicalfallacies/False-Dilemma)

[JMintzer]

False dilemma - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemma)

There is a lot going on with Global Warming which is happening now whether or not people want to deal with it.

False Dilemma (https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/logicalfallacies/False-Dilemma)

Thank you for pointing out the problem with many of the "Climate Alarmists"...

[Taltarzac725]

Thank you for pointing out the problem with many of the "Climate Alarmists"...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWwgrjjIMXA

"Blowing In The Wind" (Live On TV, March 1963)

This song seems appropriate for all the bluster from some posters on this thread.

[TeresaE]

Oh so now you're a tree hugger!!!!:1rotfl:
Tell me one rainforest those being ripped apart for lithium mines.........

Here you go. There is a cost to everything we humans do. I’m

I remember my high school earth science class learning that most of our CO2/O2 “global respiration”happens in the rainforest and the oceans.

Increased mining causing deforestation in the Amazon rainforest • Earth.com (https://www.earth.com/news/mining-deforestation-amazon-rainforest/?placement=&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIhrrf8q-M_wIVcxhlCh1OvQBtEAAYASAAEgIrR_D_BwE)

Electric vehicles are stealth rainforest killers! - Rainforest Rescue (https://www.rainforest-rescue.org/petitions/1182/electric-vehicles-are-stealth-rainforest-killers)

[Whitley]

And.....Who is doing this censoring??? While you're at it, please explain to the rest of us mere mortals how YOU were able to find it?????:bigbow:

If you are sincere in wanting to know, perhaps you should put forth your inquiry in a respectful manner. There is nothing to be gained by being smarmy.