North Face goes Bud Lite

[Erider]

North Face to Bud Lite

"Hold my beer"

So Bud Lite loses $110 million in sales and billions in stock value, Target drops a bomb on itself, and now North Face joins the fun.

https://twitter.com/Travis_in_Flint/status/1661383963699474433?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1661383963699474433%7Ctwgr% 5Ec535ab8c8555a9b5397d44d1554a5997924aecdd%7Ctwcon %5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitchy.com%2Fsarahd-313035%2F2023%2F05%2F24%2Fnorth-face-is-selling-nothing-but-their-soul-in-cringy-and-insulting-summer-of-pride-promo-video%2F

How a commercial that has a man, complete with mustache, prancing around in rainbow gear and platform shoes will sell more outdoor gear is beyond logic. Not a single piece of North Face gear in the ad.

[retiredguy123]

North Face to Bud Lite

"Hold my beer"

So Bud Lite loses $110 million in sales and billions in stock value, Target drops a bomb on itself, and now North Face joins the fun.

https://twitter.com/Travis_in_Flint/status/1661383963699474433?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1661383963699474433%7Ctwgr% 5Ec535ab8c8555a9b5397d44d1554a5997924aecdd%7Ctwcon %5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitchy.com%2Fsarahd-313035%2F2023%2F05%2F24%2Fnorth-face-is-selling-nothing-but-their-soul-in-cringy-and-insulting-summer-of-pride-promo-video%2F

How a commercial that has a man, complete with mustache, prancing around in rainbow gear and platform shoes will sell more outdoor gear is beyond logic. Not a single piece of North Face gear in the ad.
Actually, he is wearing North Face clothing from their "Pride" collection.

[bsloan1960]

North Face to Bud Lite

"Hold my beer"

So Bud Lite loses $110 million in sales and billions in stock value, Target drops a bomb on itself, and now North Face joins the fun.

https://twitter.com/Travis_in_Flint/status/1661383963699474433?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1661383963699474433%7Ctwgr% 5Ec535ab8c8555a9b5397d44d1554a5997924aecdd%7Ctwcon %5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitchy.com%2Fsarahd-313035%2F2023%2F05%2F24%2Fnorth-face-is-selling-nothing-but-their-soul-in-cringy-and-insulting-summer-of-pride-promo-video%2F

How a commercial that has a man, complete with mustache, prancing around in rainbow gear and platform shoes will sell more outdoor gear is beyond logic. Not a single piece of North Face gear in the ad.

"Those Who Do Not Learn History Are Doomed To Repeat It"

[Two Bills]

Target have become a target.

Target removes some LGBTQ products after threats - BBC News (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-65692233)

[Stu from NYC]

Amazing how executives have not learned from the bud disaster.

[JMintzer]

Target have become a target.

Target removes some LGBTQ products after threats - BBC News (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-65692233)

"Threats"... Bwahaha! :loco:

[ElDiabloJoe]

North Face, REI, Columbia, etc. all lean lefty, primarily due to their vested interest in National Parks, all things outdoors, which leads them down the road to climate issues, etc.

Can't boycott them all, but I do try to pick and choose the lesser of the evils.

[Toymeister]

June is pride month, so you will see more marketing along those lines

[dwoodley1975]

Learn what. They are just giving people a voice. I am all for it. I support all. People are just narrow-minded. Who cares.

[dwoodley1975]

To all the closed-minded think a man define by something he does and what he acts like just needs to open their mind.

[kansasr]

The things people in The Villages get their panties all twisted over! I seriously doubt we are the target demographic for North Face.

[Taltarzac725]

The things people in The Villages get their panties all twisted over! I seriously doubt we are the target demographic for North Face.

You got that right.

[Woodbear]

If you want to be a clown, great. Just don't expect me to buy a ticket to your circus!

[Harold.wiser]

This is probably just a fad or the cause du jour. Remember #metoo, occupy Wall Street, etc?

[huge-pigeons]

If you want to be a clown, great. Just don't expect me to buy a ticket to your circus!

Woodbear-Agree! As for not being able to boycott or not buy from all of these companies, not true. Very easy to not buy from these companies, and I have added Nike, delta airlines, Coca Cola, Disney, and many others to the list. There are many alternatives to each of these companies, and most of the alternatives are better

[foxmeadow]

The things people in The Villages get their panties all twisted over! I seriously doubt we are the target demographic for North Face.
Hmmm! Who is the targeted demographic??

[MandoMan]

North Face to Bud Lite

"Hold my beer"

So Bud Lite loses $110 million in sales and billions in stock value, Target drops a bomb on itself, and now North Face joins the fun.

https://twitter.com/Travis_in_Flint/status/1661383963699474433?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1661383963699474433%7Ctwgr% 5Ec535ab8c8555a9b5397d44d1554a5997924aecdd%7Ctwcon %5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitchy.com%2Fsarahd-313035%2F2023%2F05%2F24%2Fnorth-face-is-selling-nothing-but-their-soul-in-cringy-and-insulting-summer-of-pride-promo-video%2F

How a commercial that has a man, complete with mustache, prancing around in rainbow gear and platform shoes will sell more outdoor gear is beyond logic. Not a single piece of North Face gear in the ad.

When I was a little boy in church learning stories from the book of Genesis, I learned that Joseph wore a “coat of many colors” made for him by his dad. (Not by North Face.) He married an Egyptian woman named Asenath whose dad was a priest who served some Egyptian god. Descendants of his two sons, Ephraim and Manasseh, became tribes of Israel. As a child, I assumed that his coat was rainbow colored. Is rainbow-colored clothing no longer allowed for the majority of us? How about rainbow colored Lifesavers? How about Crayola crayons?

[Sandy and Ed]

Learn what. They are just giving people a voice. I am all for it. I support all. People are just narrow-minded. Who cares.
I agree. I just want them to honor all those Sicilian, Irish, Norwegian, German, Caucasian, heterosexual, male carnivores like me with our own month. Maybe November????(lol)

[Sandy and Ed]

June is pride month, so you will see more marketing along those lines
See above

[GizmoWhiskers]

The things people in The Villages get their panties all twisted over! I seriously doubt we are the target demographic for North Face.
"I believe that CHILDREN are our future..." once sang Whitney Houston...

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

I agree. I just want them to honor all those Sicilian, Irish, Norwegian, German, Caucasian, heterosexual, male carnivores like me with our own month. Maybe November????(lol)

You get that all year. And - humans aren't carnivores. They're omnivores.

[oneclickplus]

Learn what. They are just giving people a voice. I am all for it. I support all. People are just narrow-minded. Who cares.

Since you asked:

Deuteronomy 22:5 “A woman shall not wear anything that pertains to a man, nor shall a man put on a woman’s garment, for all who do so are an abomination to the Lord your God."

So, I'd say God cares. And I do also.

[Sully]

I'm thankful for companies like target for taking it too far. That's what it's gonna take for people to finally wake up. Like the school board meetings for example. Going after the kids, people have had enough! Tuck clothes for small children, disgusting! Finally, they've gone too far and people will start speaking with the only means possible today without risking being harassed or canceled. We can all speak our minds with our wallets!! Bud Light was the spark! We need to all work together to save the children and our society from this insane ideology. Let's not forget Sodom and Gomorrah. It's not too late, but we're at a tipping point and now is the time to make a difference! Profit and Loss, that's the language they all understand!

[Caymus]

To all the closed-minded think a man define by something he does and what he acts like just needs to open their mind.

Do you have an issue with any social activity? How about incest, bestiality, polygamy etc?

Just open your mind.

[Byte1]

When I was a little boy in church learning stories from the book of Genesis, I learned that Joseph wore a “coat of many colors” made for him by his dad. (Not by North Face.) He married an Egyptian woman named Asenath whose dad was a priest who served some Egyptian god. Descendants of his two sons, Ephraim and Manasseh, became tribes of Israel.As a child, I assumed that his coat was rainbow colored. Is rainbow-colored clothing no longer allowed for the majority of us? How about rainbow colored Lifesavers? How about Crayola cray ons?

I am sure that you realize that there really IS a difference? Rainbows and Rainbow symbols became the logo that the gay deviant lifestyle commandeered to represent them. Not the other way around. Just as the Christian cross that represents the Crucifixion of Christ and HIS subsequent rising from death, was commandeered by the KKK to represent them. In the Bible the rainbow symbolizes promise and hope, AND never symbolized the gay lifestyle. I think that comparing lifesavers and crayons to the gay symbol is a bit far fetched. :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[Retiredsteve]

Amazing how executives have not learned from the bud disaster.. It's amazing how those commercials seem to harm YOUR manhood

[Retiredsteve]

The things people in The Villages get their panties all twisted over! I seriously doubt we are the target demographic for North Face.. Yeah, old people are the target audience for Depends 😂😂

[Andyb]

North Face to Bud Lite

"Hold my beer"

So Bud Lite loses $110 million in sales and billions in stock value, Target drops a bomb on itself, and now North Face joins the fun.

https://twitter.com/Travis_in_Flint/status/1661383963699474433?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1661383963699474433%7Ctwgr% 5Ec535ab8c8555a9b5397d44d1554a5997924aecdd%7Ctwcon %5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitchy.com%2Fsarahd-313035%2F2023%2F05%2F24%2Fnorth-face-is-selling-nothing-but-their-
soul-in-cringy-and-insulting-summer-of-pride-promo-video%2F

How a commercial that has a man, complete with mustache, prancing around in rainbow gear and platform shoes will sell more outdoor gear is beyond logic. Not a single piece of North Face gear in the ad.

My boycott list is getting really long. Just added North Face

[Byte1]

"I believe that CHILDREN are our future..." once sang Whitney Houston...

And we have all seen how Whitney and her daughter turned out....:shocked:

[Byte1]

. It's amazing how those commercials seem to harm YOUR manhood

How does that work? Or, was that an attempt to be rude to another poster?

[coconutmama]

Since you asked:

Deuteronomy 22:5 “A woman shall not wear anything that pertains to a man, nor shall a man put on a woman’s garment, for all who do so are an abomination to the Lord your God."

So, I'd say God cares. And I do also.

So women should not wear slacks? Just burqas in public, following your logic?

What happened to the Bible passage of not judging others?

Culture wars are being used by too many to avoid handling the real issues of today, in my opinion, which I am entitled to.

[Birdrm]

Yes I agree except all of the major airlines are woke so hard to pick one.

[JMintzer]

How does that work? Or, was that an attempt to be rude to another poster?

It's called "projection"...

[JMintzer]

So women should not wear slacks? Just burqas in public, following your logic?

What happened to the Bible passage of not judging others?

Culture wars are being used by too many to avoid handling the real issues of today, in my opinion, which I am entitled to.

Yes, the only other option to slacks is a burka...

https://media.tenor.com/-lih1d9bV3QAAAAC/facepalm-annoyed.gif

And before you go there, I don't care if anyone wears anything they want...

[merrymini]

Maybe I do not need northface stuff, nonetheless, I will keep my money from them like I would other companies who go out of their way, and out of their business line, for political points, regardless of what they are.

[NJRICHARD]

To all the closed-minded think a man define by something he does and what he acts like just needs to open their mind.

TOLERANCE IS THE LAST VIRTUE OF A DYING SOCIETY....Aristotle

[LplusAplusB]

Do you have an issue with any social activity? How about incest, bestiality, polygamy etc?

Just open your mind.
Uuuhhmmm, did you really mean to compare these illegal acts to “social activities”???

[Mulliganguy]

Common sense policies made this Nation great. Evidently “opening up your mind “is supposed to make it better except for those with common sense

[Stu from NYC]

. It's amazing how those commercials seem to harm YOUR manhood

What in the world does my view of companies promoting behavior that I think is wrong have to do with my Manhood? Guess you do not think I am entitled to my own opinion.

If I am not entitled why are you?

[Whitley]

Companies do these silly things not because they are necessarily woke or virtue signalling, but because companies are rated for their CEI score. CEI, Corporate Equity Index. The CEI is calculated by the Human Rights Campaign, a Soros funded LGBTQIA++ political lobbying group. The largest LBGTQIA++ political lobbying group in the world. Companies fear getting a low CEI rating as it can affect their bottom line. Seems now they need to walk a tightrope.

[Whitley]

Actually, he is wearing North Face clothing from their "Pride" collection.

Did you say HE is wearing. Does "Patty Gonia" use the he him pronoun?

[Caymus]

Uuuhhmmm, did you really mean to compare the.se illegal acts to “social activities”???

......don't want to be accused of having a "closed" mind. :smiley:

[Whitley]

June is pride month, so you will see more marketing along those lines

Mothers get a day. One Day.

[Whitley]

To all the closed-minded think a man define by something he does and what he acts like just needs to open their mind.

I didn't hear anyone say that. A man is defined by his Chromosomes. XY. A man is an adult human male.

[manaboutown]

If we wait maybe we can get free North Face clothing as Bud Light is now free for the taking due to mismanagement.

Stores selling Bud Light for free as Mulvaney backlash continues | Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/media/stores-sell-bud-light-free-mulvaney-backlash-continues?intcmp=fb_fnc&fbclid=IwAR11uT5w_qWsHD5wl-h5Oua7yH9Xzw7DIkFORu-PKU0gBqZKIvgyJ0_gWIY)

[retiredguy123]

Did you say HE is wearing. Does "Patty Gonia" use the he him pronoun?
Well, in the ad, "he" calls "himself" a homosexual. Doesn't that imply a HE?

[Whitley]

The things people in The Villages get their panties all twisted over! I seriously doubt we are the target demographic for North Face.

What you said is the misconception some people have. It doesn't matter if we are the target demographic. Take war as an example. We are too old to fight, yet we care about others and we care about our country. Having onesies in target, childrens books, and special tuck able clothes for toddlers (yes these items are at Target in Florida) is not appropriate. Putting a three year old boy in a girls bathing suit is not healthy. As with many things, people push things too far and are "outraged" when they get push back. The LGB community should have stopped at B. I have not seen it reported, but friends tell me there are many who are unhappy being associated with the ideology being pushed by the loudest voices in the transgender community.

[Whitley]

I have sexual desires. Perhaps they are out of the mainstream. I assume the great majority of you could care less what those preferences are (though I bet some are curious now. Be honest). I would like to use my voice to teach children that the desires I was created with are OK, and they should be open to these as well. Perhaps they do not know that these desires are acceptable and they repress them. Their young minds are not equipped to handle such things, so I could write a childrens book that someone dressed up as a cowgirl can read to them (for the young ones unable to read).
OR
We can let them be children and address these topics as they mature.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Since you asked:

Deuteronomy 22:5 “A woman shall not wear anything that pertains to a man, nor shall a man put on a woman’s garment, for all who do so are an abomination to the Lord your God."

So, I'd say God cares. And I do also.

Men wore long robes over long gowns. They had their OWN "womens wear" and didn't need to wear the gowns and robes of women. The only people who would ever be seen in public with their shirt off were slaves, because they weren't given a choice. Remember that next time you go to the pool.

Since you've chosen my favorite book in the Old Testament, I suggest you try out a few of these humdingers:

5:13 Six days thou shalt labour, and do all thy work: 5:14 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, nor thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thine ox, nor thine ass, nor any of thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates; that thy manservant and thy maidservant may rest as well as thou.

Translation for non-Jews: It means on whatever day you select as your Sabbath day, you, your family, your employees, your work animals, anyone who comes to your door, does NOTHING. You don't turn on lights, you don't turn the oven on, you don't turn the AC off. You don't button buttons or zip zippers, you don't cook or stick something in the microwave oven, or wash dishes. You don't drive a car or ride a horse. You don't work, and you don't force anyone or anything else to work, on the Sabbath.

Good luck with that. I've never met a Christian I thought had the chops to even try it. The Amish come pretty close.

Graven images anyone? How about the cross, or the carving of Jesus that some of you kneel to at your churches, or hang over your bed to make sure that you have an audience whenever you have sexy time with your spouse:

5:8 Thou shalt not make thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the waters beneath the earth: 5:9 Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me, 5:10 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me and keep my commandments.

So yeah - keep your bible out of my government please. I don't want to have to stone you to death for disobeying a commandment. I'm a pacifist. Kinda like Jesus, the Jewish guy.

[Whitley]

Well, in the ad, "he" calls "himself" a homosexual. Doesn't that imply a HE?

Does he go by gay male.? I did not get that in the ad I saw last night. Could have been cut up and edited.

[Joe C.]

OK ..... NOW PAY ATTENTION !!

It's these social activities, publicly highlighted by the powers that be, grab the attention of the majority of normal people, so that they don't see what's going on behind the scenes. They are like a magician who gets you to watch his right hand so that you don't see what the left is doing. There's more going on than what the LGBTQRSTUV group is pirouetting around for. BE AWARE ...try to look at the whole scheme of things. As long as they have your attention on one subject, they are plotting on more devious and damaging things. :boom:

[Causey]

It all comes down to opinion, just like asses, we all have them. The self righteous, with the lectures, are as bad as the freaks. I get to decide which is worse. They are just another group that it really doesn't matter what they think.
Parallel economy is the best route, try to support those that best align with your way of thinking. It is possible to leave the freaks behind.
Anyone else's opinion, is only worth what you allow it to be worth. So the overwhelmingly vast majority of opinions mean nothing to me. I know some of you will be offended by that, but that's the point, I don't care.

[retiredguy123]

Does he go by gay male.? I did not get that in the ad I saw last night. Could have been cut up and edited.
I don't know. I just went by the video from the link in Post No. 1. He calls himself a homosexual and refers to some other people as lesbians. I could be wrong, but I think most people would assume a homosexual is male and a lesbian is female.

[Erider]

Actually, he is wearing North Face clothing from their "Pride" collection.

I looked through their rainbow collection but couldn't find those platform shoes for my summit of Everest next month.

[art32163]

Who cares??? I do

[DonRaleigh]

Since you asked:

Deuteronomy 22:5 “A woman shall not wear anything that pertains to a man, nor shall a man put on a woman’s garment, for all who do so are an abomination to the Lord your God."

So, I'd say God cares. And I do also.

So you try and dress like men did in biblical times??

[Gigi3000]

I didn't hear anyone say that. A man is defined by his Chromosomes. XY. A man is an adult human male.

What about women that have XY chromosomes, with natural female genitalia?

[Caymus]

What about women that have XY chromosomes, with natural female genitalia?

...and what percent of the population would that be?

[Gigi3000]

...and what percent of the population would that be?

Estimates, per google, 1 in 80000.

[caljeff]

Amen!

[Glarramendy]

Learn what. They are just giving people a voice. I am all for it. I support all. People are just narrow-minded. Who cares.

Nothing like supporting men taking away from women opportunities 🤦*♂️

[Two Bills]

. Yeah, old people are the target audience for Depends 😂😂



A Depends boycott could get messy very quickly.

[Byte1]

What you said was not very nice or thoughtful. You really should represent your side better.

The question might be, what side is that?

[dewilson58]

A Depends boycott could get messy very quickly.

Not for me, I have decided to identify as a 30 year old.

:D

[Dlpdo]

North Face to Bud Lite

"Hold my beer"

So Bud Lite loses $110 million in sales and billions in stock value, Target drops a bomb on itself, and now North Face joins the fun.

https://twitter.com/Travis_in_Flint/status/1661383963699474433?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1661383963699474433%7Ctwgr% 5Ec535ab8c8555a9b5397d44d1554a5997924aecdd%7Ctwcon %5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitchy.com%2Fsarahd-313035%2F2023%2F05%2F24%2Fnorth-face-is-selling-nothing-but-their-soul-in-cringy-and-insulting-summer-of-pride-promo-video%2F

How a commercial that has a man, complete with mustache, prancing around in rainbow gear and platform shoes will sell more outdoor gear is beyond logic. Not a single piece of North Face gear in the ad.

My guess is most of the people commenting didn’t watch the ad. The poor video and audio quality alone should have clued you in that this is a spoof video not a real ad for North Face.

[Stu from NYC]

Estimates, per google, 1 in 80000.

Think it is much smaller than that

[Stu from NYC]

Nothing like supporting men taking away from women opportunities 🤦*♂️

Very true surprised more females are not up in arms over this.

[Byte1]

Men wore long robes over long gowns. They had their OWN "womens wear" and didn't need to wear the gowns and robes of women. The only people who would ever be seen in public with their shirt off were slaves, because they weren't given a choice. Remember that next time you go to the pool.

Since you've chosen my favorite book in the Old Testament, I suggest you try out a few of these humdingers:

5:13 Six days thou shalt labour, and do all thy work: 5:14 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, nor thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thine ox, nor thine ass, nor any of thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates; that thy manservant and thy maidservant may rest as well as thou.

Translation for non-Jews: It means on whatever day you select as your Sabbath day, you, your family, your employees, your work animals, anyone who comes to your door, does NOTHING. You don't turn on lights, you don't turn the oven on, you don't turn the AC off. You don't button buttons or zip zippers, you don't cook or stick something in the microwave oven, or wash dishes. You don't drive a car or ride a horse. You don't work, and you don't force anyone or anything else to work, on the Sabbath.

Good luck with that. I've never met a Christian I thought had the chops to even try it. The Amish come pretty close.

Graven images anyone? How about the cross, or the carving of Jesus that some of you kneel to at your churches, or hang over your bed to make sure that you have an audience whenever you have sexy time with your spouse:

5:8 Thou shalt not make thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the waters beneath the earth: 5:9 Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me, 5:10 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me and keep my commandments.

So yeah - keep your bible out of my government please. I don't want to have to stone you to death for disobeying a commandment. I'm a pacifist. Kinda like Jesus, the Jewish guy.

But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised.

The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.

See that man who thinks he's so smart? You can expect far more from a fool than from him.

[retiredguy123]

My guess is most of the people commenting didn’t watch the ad. The poor video and audio quality alone should have clued you in that this is a spoof video not a real ad for North Face.
Are you sure it's a spoof video? The North Face website has a photo of Pattie Gonia wearing those clothes and it includes the following caption:

Summer of Pride Tour

For the second year in a row, we’ve teamed up with Pattie Gonia to celebrate Pride and bring camp to the outdoors—and you’re invited! Join us for a day of hiking, drag, community and more.

[Byte1]

So, which is it? Is PG mentally ill or just trying to get attention and make money the lazy method? Not that it matters to me because it is unlikely that our paths will ever cross. Just bored and wasting time on this.

[Erider]

My guess is most of the people commenting didn’t watch the ad. The poor video and audio quality alone should have clued you in that this is a spoof video not a real ad for North Face.

Nice try but

Maybe this will clue you in

The ad is on North Face Instagram account

Login • Instagram (https://www.instagram.com/p/CsmAOZDJ3Iv/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link)

The poor video and audio quality should clue everyone in that North Face is engaging in cheap and meaningless virtue signaling.

[Stu from NYC]

Nice try but

Maybe this will clue you in

The ad is on North Face Instagram account

Login • Instagram (https://www.instagram.com/p/CsmAOZDJ3Iv/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link)

Nothing like telling people that the company is really supporting this.

[NavyVet]

I'm fat ...

[JMintzer]

...and what percent of the population would that be?

"Swyer syndrome affects girls who have an XY chromosomal makeup, no ovaries, but functional female organs including the uterus, fallopian tubes and vagina. The exact incidence is unknown. One estimate placed the incidence at 1 in 80,000 births..."

In other words, very rare...

[JMintzer]

Not for me, I have decided to identify as a 30 year old.

:D

My wife says I identify as a 15 yo... I can't say she's wrong...:icon_wink:

[JMintzer]

My guess is most of the people commenting didn’t watch the ad. The poor video and audio quality alone should have clued you in that this is a spoof video not a real ad for North Face.

Well, considering they also did it last Summer, you guessed poorly...

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Nothing like supporting men taking away from women opportunities ������*♂️

Women are still allowed to wear womens' swimsuits. Women and men, of any preference, and even asexuals with no interest in sex with anyone at all, are all allowed to wear rainbow colored clothes, and use rainbow colored paper plates at their rainbow colored birthday parties. Everyone is welcome to drink Bud Lite, and everyone is welcome to buy whatever North Face is selling. No one is being discriminated against and in fact, everyone is invited to purchase these items.

That's what THIS thread is about: retail companies that choose to market their products to attract a variety of "types" of people, rather than the narrower demographic of "straight white men/women whose chromosomes match their mentality."

It's really a huge nothingberder but apparently it hurts a lot of straight white men/women whose chromosomes match their mentality in their feelings place.

[Mommabear]

Thank you!!

[Taltarzac725]

Women are still allowed to wear womens' swimsuits. Women and men, of any preference, and even asexuals with no interest in sex with anyone at all, are all allowed to wear rainbow colored clothes, and use rainbow colored paper plates at their rainbow colored birthday parties. Everyone is welcome to drink Bud Lite, and everyone is welcome to buy whatever North Face is selling. No one is being discriminated against and in fact, everyone is invited to purchase these items.

That's what THIS thread is about: retail companies that choose to market their products to attract a variety of "types" of people, rather than the narrower demographic of "straight white men/women whose chromosomes match their mentality."

It's really a huge nothingberder but apparently it hurts a lot of straight white men/women whose chromosomes match their mentality in their feelings place.

I am just glad this is about their keeping their clothes on.

[Joe C.]

Women are still allowed to wear womens' swimsuits. Women and men, of any preference, and even asexuals with no interest in sex with anyone at all, are all allowed to wear rainbow colored clothes, and use rainbow colored paper plates at their rainbow colored birthday parties. Everyone is welcome to drink Bud Lite, and everyone is welcome to buy whatever North Face is selling. No one is being discriminated against and in fact, everyone is invited to purchase these items.

That's what THIS thread is about: retail companies that choose to market their products to attract a variety of "types" of people, rather than the narrower demographic of "straight white men/women whose chromosomes match their mentality."

It's really a huge nothingberder but apparently it hurts a lot of straight white men/women whose chromosomes match their mentality in their feelings place.

The demographic of straight white men/women whose chromosomes match their mentality isn't NARROW, but rather the normal majority.

[Woodbear]

Did the guys that dress as women get to leave Ukraine during the war? Or do the historical male/female roles revert to their normal state when the poop hits the fan. Ukrainian men get slaughtered as they are forced to stay behind, yet the women get to abandon their country. Makes me wonder if a bunch of Corporal Maxwell Klinger's all of a sudden "found themselves"

[Worldseries27]

Bizarro had nothing on this thread
or
mr kltpzyxm.

[Retiredsteve]

Woodbear-Agree! As for not being able to boycott or not buy from all of these companies, not true. Very easy to not buy from these companies, and I have added Nike, delta airlines, Coca Cola, Disney, and many others to the list. There are many alternatives to each of these companies, and most of the alternatives are better And it's all because you don't like gays? Guess you are not a church goer.

[Coffee Lover]

Companies do these silly things not because they are necessarily woke or virtue signalling, but because companies are rated for their CEI score. CEI, Corporate Equity Index. The CEI is calculated by the Human Rights Campaign, a Soros funded LGBTQIA++ political lobbying group. The largest LBGTQIA++ political lobbying group in the world. Companies fear getting a low CEI rating as it can affect their bottom line. Seems now they need to walk a tightrope.

Yes, also look into ESG scoring. Economic, social, governance scores given on every company and countries as a whole. It’s scary how lending, investing, credit can be based on ESG scores. Never even knew what it is before now.

[Remembergoldenrule]

To the person who said just a fade.

The difference in this “fade” is that it requires your body being mutilated with no return. The worse is it is targeting children that don’t have cognitive ability to understand the long term ramifications of body mutilation.

[PurePeach]

Woodbear-Agree! As for not being able to boycott or not buy from all of these companies, not true. Very easy to not buy from these companies, and I have added Nike, delta airlines, Coca Cola, Disney, and many others to the list. There are many alternatives to each of these companies, and most of the alternatives are better


Unfortunately you can’t boycott all who are onboard with Wokeness. I retired from a company who had started shoving DEI down our throats in 2019 before it became mainstream. No publicity about the company, but it is 100% on board. There are many out there who are smart enough not to flaunt their indoctrination policies publicly, so you’ll never know.

[wisbad1]

North Face to Bud Lite

"Hold my beer"

So Bud Lite loses $110 million in sales and billions in stock value, Target drops a bomb on itself, and now North Face joins the fun.

https://twitter.com/Travis_in_Flint/status/1661383963699474433?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1661383963699474433%7Ctwgr% 5Ec535ab8c8555a9b5397d44d1554a5997924aecdd%7Ctwcon %5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitchy.com%2Fsarahd-313035%2F2023%2F05%2F24%2Fnorth-face-is-selling-nothing-but-their-soul-in-cringy-and-insulting-summer-of-pride-promo-video%2F

How a commercial that has a man, complete with mustache, prancing around in rainbow gear and platform shoes will sell more outdoor gear is beyond logic. Not a single piece of North Face gear in the ad.
Now Target is gone stupid too

[ronwinger]

Target have become a target.

Target removes some LGBTQ products after threats - BBC News (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-65692233)

My understanding is... Target did "remove" the the front od the store to the back of the store.

[PurePeach]

And it's all because you don't like gays? Guess you are not a church goer.

Nothing to do with liking/disliking gay or trans people or religion (Baptists teach that it’s men and women, no gay folks). I worked with many, both openly gay and trans. I don’t care that they have Pride Week and have even attended a Pride parade and it was fun. It’s the subliminal indoctrination as well as the blatant indoctrination and the “equity” part of the equation. I don’t care who you choose to love and spend your life with, I just don’t agree with the lines that are being crossed that these woke companies are supporting; i.e., “glorifying” the absurdity of their actions, such as this ad; anatomical males being allowed to compete against anatomical females because they “identify” as a female. Had the ad been done in good taste, that would be different. Also, I don’t think that I’ve ever been in a store with a giant display at the front of the store “honoring” anything other than holidays or seasonal things, thus the rub.

[Caymus]

Unfortunately you can’t boycott all who are onboard with Wokeness. I retired from a company who had started shoving DEI down our throats in 2019 before it became mainstream. No publicity about the company, but it is 100% on board. There are many out there who are smart enough not to flaunt their indoctrination policies publicly, so you’ll never know.


I had to select binary vs non binary on one of the last surveys I took at work. I was not familiar with those words and needed to goggle to find the difference.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

I had to select binary vs non binary on one of the last surveys I took at work. I was not familiar with those words and needed to goggle to find the difference.

You'll need to google "google" too - it's not goggle.

[Boomer]

Aw, gee, I figured this thread might have boiled over in its own bile by now, but on it goes.

Oh well…..since I looked, while I am here, maybe one of the usuals can answer a couple of questions for me…….

How can all this wallowing in extreme joy at Bud losing sales be justified by those who like to parade themselves around here as capitalists to the 10th power who claim to be investors extraordinaire? —

(Yeah, they might not be directly invested in Bud — me neither — but how can these loud boycotters not understand that they are rooting against regular working people — many of whom might agree with the thinking by most here in this thread — but who have good jobs with Bud that they would like to keep.)

But (sigh) I must assume those ranting against Bud in this thread — as they stand around in their circle, beating their drums, gazing only into each other’s eyes — will explode in ecstasy if job losses happen for those who make the Bud and bottle the Bud and load the Bud and drive the Bud and stock the Bud.

Can any of you tell me how you can justify rooting against regular working people who have no control over a niche decision by their employer? So is possibly causing economic fallout in the lives of blameless workers worth it to you? How does that make you a capitalist who wants a strong overall economy? Huh?

And, btw, does the fact that Target employees working in the stores are being threatened also “spark joy” for you?

I just wish you hyped up, angry guys could look beyond the end of your…uh, er……noses and let go of this obsession.

Boomer

PS: I doubt I will get any answers to my rather pointed questions. I think I am on ignore lists for some because my contrary insight might have hurt their feelings. (Of course, I know this post I just quickly wrote for exercise is an exercise in futility…….Oh, what the hell, I think I will hit ‘submit’ this time instead of deleting.)

[Pennyt]

North Face, REI, Columbia, etc. all lean lefty, primarily due to their vested interest in National Parks, all things outdoors, which leads them down the road to climate issues, etc.

Can't boycott them all, but I do try to pick and choose the lesser of the evils.

And what's wrong with being interested in National Parks and the outdoors?? That should be everyone's concern, regardless of some political leaning.

[Caymus]

You'll need to google "google" too - it's not goggle.

Is pointing out a typo a micro aggression?

[Caymus]

Aw, gee, I figured this thread might have boiled over in its own bile by now, but on it goes.

Oh well…..since I looked, while I am here, maybe one of the usuals can answer a couple of questions for me…….

How can all this wallowing in extreme joy at Bud losing sales be justified by those who like to parade themselves around here as capitalists to the 10th power who claim to be investors extraordinaire? —

(Yeah, they might not be directly invested in Bud — me either — but how can these loud boycotters not understand that they are rooting against regular working people — many of whom might agree with the thinking by most here in this thread — but who have good jobs with Bud that they would like to keep.)

But (sigh) I must assume those ranting against Bud in this thread — as they stand around in their circle, beating their drums, gazing only into each other’s eyes — will explode in ecstasy if job losses happen for those who make the Bud and bottle the Bud and load the Bud and drive the Bud and stock the Bud.

Can any of you tell me how you can justify rooting against regular working people who have no control over a niche decision by their employer? So is possibly causing economic fallout in the lives of blameless workers worth it to you? How does that make you a capitalist who wants a strong overall economy? Huh?

And, btw, does the fact that Target employees working in the stores are being threatened also “spark joy” for you?

I just wish you hyped up, angry guys could look beyond the end of your…uh, er……noses and let go of this obsession.

Boomer

PS: Btw, I doubt I will get any answers to my rather pointed questions. I think I am on ignore lists for some because my contrary insight might have hurt their feelings. (Of course, I know this post I just quickly wrote for exercise is an exercise in futility…….Oh, what the hell, I think I will hit ‘submit’ this time instead of deleting.)

It is pure capitalism. They should have considered the intense competition they face in the beer industry.

[rsimpson]

Aw, gee, I figured this thread might have boiled over in its own bile by now, but on it goes.

Oh well…..since I looked, while I am here, maybe one of the usuals can answer a couple of questions for me…….

How can all this wallowing in extreme joy at Bud losing sales be justified by those who like to parade themselves around here as capitalists to the 10th power who claim to be investors extraordinaire? —

(Yeah, they might not be directly invested in Bud — me neither — but how can these loud boycotters not understand that they are rooting against regular working people — many of whom might agree with the thinking by most here in this thread — but who have good jobs with Bud that they would like to keep.)

But (sigh) I must assume those ranting against Bud in this thread — as they stand around in their circle, beating their drums, gazing only into each other’s eyes — will explode in ecstasy if job losses happen for those who make the Bud and bottle the Bud and load the Bud and drive the Bud and stock the Bud.

Can any of you tell me how you can justify rooting against regular working people who have no control over a niche decision by their employer? So is possibly causing economic fallout in the lives of blameless workers worth it to you? How does that make you a capitalist who wants a strong overall economy? Huh?

And, btw, does the fact that Target employees working in the stores are being threatened also “spark joy” for you?

I just wish you hyped up, angry guys could look beyond the end of your…uh, er……noses and let go of this obsession.

Boomer

PS: I doubt I will get any answers to my rather pointed questions. I think I am on ignore lists for some because my contrary insight might have hurt their feelings. (Of course, I know this post I just quickly wrote for exercise is an exercise in futility…….Oh, what the hell, I think I will hit ‘submit’ this time instead of deleting.)

Easy Answer - this 'fad' as some have called it, is targeting children with life-changing surgeries, drugs, strerilization and mutilation. It is worth a few thousand jobs to keep kids from being destroyed.

[shut the front door]

I am sure that you realize that there really IS a difference? Rainbows and Rainbow symbols became the logo that the gay deviant lifestyle commandeered to represent them. Not the other way around. Just as the Christian cross that represents the Crucifixion of Christ and HIS subsequent rising from death, was commandeered by the KKK to represent them. In the Bible the rainbow symbolizes promise and hope, AND never symbolized the gay lifestyle. I think that comparing lifesavers and crayons to the gay symbol is a bit far fetched. :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

It has always given me a chuckle the way the alphabet crowd want to comandeer religious symbols and words. Last I checked, "pride" is one of the 7 deadly sins.

[Boomer]

It is pure capitalism. They should have considered the intense competition they face in the beer industry.

Nope. No pass for you. Was that intended as a diversionary tactic or did you actually miss my point in Post #93?….

Who’s “they”? I assume you mean the big wheels at Bud. That is not where my concern lies. Those people never get hurt. Or if they, sort of, do, they walk away with millions. Nor are the investors the real losers because this, too, shall pass — for investors — but not for Bud workers if they lose jobs. Good jobs are the backbone of the overall economy. And, yet, taking them out is the goal of many in this thread.

What about the Bud workers who had no influence over Bud’s decision? How can any right thinker be glad Bud’s working people could be out of jobs through no fault of their own? That smells elitist to me. Kind of a “Let them eat cake” mentality.

I want people working for good money and benefits. But the raging boycotters are so stoked they don’t care — or can’t think because they are being successfully targeted and manipulated by propaganda from power-grabbers.

Those who made the decision to go with some niche advertising will not have the kind of economic consequences fall into their personal lives like those frontline Bud workers might — if this megaphone-mouthed obsession does not stop.

Like Trae Crowder said in his recent YouTube, darkly funny, smartazz, 3 minute video, “It’s not like this was some Super Bowl ad” …… and he goes on to explain how it all started. This was a tiny ad for a small number of people.

But even if you won’t look up Trae Crowder, can you please think about the weirdness of taking joy in the possibility of causing blameless people to lose their jobs.

Boomer

Note to Self: Damn. I’m too purdy to get all tangled up in this thread. Why oh why did I have to look this morning. I need to remember what Mark Twain said about arguments like this. (sigh)

[Byte1]

You'll need to google "google" too - it's not goggle.

Isn't it supposed to be spelled "nothingburger?" I mean, if we are going to suddenly check for spelling errors..........:boom:

[Byte1]

Aw, gee, I figured this thread might have boiled over in its own bile by now, but on it goes.

Oh well…..since I looked, while I am here, maybe one of the usuals can answer a couple of questions for me…….

How can all this wallowing in extreme joy at Bud losing sales be justified by those who like to parade themselves around here as capitalists to the 10th power who claim to be investors extraordinaire? —

(Yeah, they might not be directly invested in Bud — me neither — but how can these loud boycotters not understand that they are rooting against regular working people — many of whom might agree with the thinking by most here in this thread — but who have good jobs with Bud that they would like to keep.)

But (sigh) I must assume those ranting against Bud in this thread — as they stand around in their circle, beating their drums, gazing only into each other’s eyes — will explode in ecstasy if job losses happen for those who make the Bud and bottle the Bud and load the Bud and drive the Bud and stock the Bud.

Can any of you tell me how you can justify rooting against regular working people who have no control over a niche decision by their employer? So is possibly causing economic fallout in the lives of blameless workers worth it to you? How does that make you a capitalist who wants a strong overall economy? Huh?

And, btw, does the fact that Target employees working in the stores are being threatened also “spark joy” for you?

I just wish you hyped up, angry guys could look beyond the end of your…uh, er……noses and let go of this obsession.

Boomer

PS: I doubt I will get any answers to my rather pointed questions. I think I am on ignore lists for some because my contrary insight might have hurt their feelings. (Of course, I know this post I just quickly wrote for exercise is an exercise in futility…….Oh, what the hell, I think I will hit ‘submit’ this time instead of deleting.)

Did you have a point? Or, is the point that there is no point? Or, is it that we should not discuss subjects that are sensitive?
Oh well, like I said above I am just following this because I am bored today, like I was yesterday. Looking forward to Memorial Day cooking out.

[dewilson58]

Looking forward to Memorial Day cooking out.

Besides Coors Lite, what R U having??

[Byte1]

Besides Coors Lite, what R U having??

Would if I could, Coors Lite. Most likely Arnold Palmer will be my usual beverage of choice. I usually keep Stella and Ultra cold for company. If I know someone has a preference that I don't usually stock, I try to purchase it ahead of time. I limited my alcohol consumption years ago when I carried a high security clearance, and never bothered to revisit it since.

[Byte1]

Is pointing out a typo a micro aggression?

More likely, just someone being a S**A**.

[Stu from NYC]

Aw, gee, I figured this thread might have boiled over in its own bile by now, but on it goes.

Oh well…..since I looked, while I am here, maybe one of the usuals can answer a couple of questions for me…….

How can all this wallowing in extreme joy at Bud losing sales be justified by those who like to parade themselves around here as capitalists to the 10th power who claim to be investors extraordinaire? —

(Yeah, they might not be directly invested in Bud — me neither — but how can these loud boycotters not understand that they are rooting against regular working people — many of whom might agree with the thinking by most here in this thread — but who have good jobs with Bud that they would like to keep.)

But (sigh) I must assume those ranting against Bud in this thread — as they stand around in their circle, beating their drums, gazing only into each other’s eyes — will explode in ecstasy if job losses happen for those who make the Bud and bottle the Bud and load the Bud and drive the Bud and stock the Bud.

Can any of you tell me how you can justify rooting against regular working people who have no control over a niche decision by their employer? So is possibly causing economic fallout in the lives of blameless workers worth it to you? How does that make you a capitalist who wants a strong overall economy? Huh?

And, btw, does the fact that Target employees working in the stores are being threatened also “spark joy” for you?

I just wish you hyped up, angry guys could look beyond the end of your…uh, er……noses and let go of this obsession.

Boomer

PS: I doubt I will get any answers to my rather pointed questions. I think I am on ignore lists for some because my contrary insight might have hurt their feelings. (Of course, I know this post I just quickly wrote for exercise is an exercise in futility…….Oh, what the hell, I think I will hit ‘submit’ this time instead of deleting.)

I usually agree with you but not this time. When a company does something that could harm our country and our kids how do we sit back and not react?

[manaboutown]

I usually agree with you but not this time. When a company does something that could harm our country and our kids how do we sit back and not react?

I agree. Unfortunately I directly own some TGT; another company in which I own shares owns a large chunk of BUD. Of course S&P 500 index, many other mutual funds and various ETFs hold both. These companies have been abysmally mismanaged, severely injuring their public images, likely for years to come, and financially hurt their shareholders. The effect of TGT's merchandising what it has, especially in their children's wear section, is simply beyond the pale.

[Erider]

Who’s “they”? I assume you mean the big wheels at Bud. That is not where my concern lies. Those people never get hurt. Or if they, sort of, do, they walk away with millions. Nor are the investors the real losers because this, too, shall pass — for investors — but not for Bud workers if they lose jobs. Good jobs are the backbone of the overall economy. And, yet, taking them out is the goal of many in this thread.



Such noble concern all the little bud lite brewers and truckers. But don't worry! 100 million USA beer drinkers are not boycotting beer, just a particular brand. Bud's loss of sales volume is being picked up by their competitors>

Steep drops in sales of Bud Light continued to worsen for the sixth consecutive week, plunging by nearly 25% since the ill-fated promotion with transgender influencer Dylan Mulvaney, the latest industry data shows. Bud Light has lost $110 million in sales volume year-to-date compared to the same period last year. The number of Bud Light cases sold was down 28.4% in the week ended May 13 from a year ago compared to a 27.7% decline the previous week.

Meanwhile, Anheuser-Busch’s competitors are guzzling market share with Coors Light up 23.2% in the week ended May 13 compared to a bump of 22.2% the previous week. Sales of Modelo Especial – the second most popular beer brand in the US with more than $3.7 billion in sales last year – are up by 10% in the most recent week compared to a 5% increase the previous week.

So Bud Lite's loss is another brand's gain. So Coors will need more brewers and truckers providing jobs for all those poor little bud people. Isn't capitalism wonderful?

PS The big people do get hurt, especially if their compensation is heavily weighted towards stock options.

Bud Light Boycott Already Costs Anheuser-Busch $15.7 Billion

[JMintzer]

Aw, gee, I figured this thread might have boiled over in its own bile by now, but on it goes.

Oh well…..since I looked, while I am here, maybe one of the usuals can answer a couple of questions for me…….

How can all this wallowing in extreme joy at Bud losing sales be justified by those who like to parade themselves around here as capitalists to the 10th power who claim to be investors extraordinaire? —

(Yeah, they might not be directly invested in Bud — me neither — but how can these loud boycotters not understand that they are rooting against regular working people — many of whom might agree with the thinking by most here in this thread — but who have good jobs with Bud that they would like to keep.)

But (sigh) I must assume those ranting against Bud in this thread — as they stand around in their circle, beating their drums, gazing only into each other’s eyes — will explode in ecstasy if job losses happen for those who make the Bud and bottle the Bud and load the Bud and drive the Bud and stock the Bud.

Can any of you tell me how you can justify rooting against regular working people who have no control over a niche decision by their employer? So is possibly causing economic fallout in the lives of blameless workers worth it to you? How does that make you a capitalist who wants a strong overall economy? Huh?

And, btw, does the fact that Target employees working in the stores are being threatened also “spark joy” for you?

I just wish you hyped up, angry guys could look beyond the end of your…uh, er……noses and let go of this obsession.

Boomer

PS: I doubt I will get any answers to my rather pointed questions. I think I am on ignore lists for some because my contrary insight might have hurt their feelings. (Of course, I know this post I just quickly wrote for exercise is an exercise in futility…….Oh, what the hell, I think I will hit ‘submit’ this time instead of deleting.)

You want answers?

None of this is the employees' fault.

I feel for the regular employees, just like I felt for the employees who were targeted by the Chick Fil-A boycott (that failed miserably), and the Hobby Lobby boycott, or the My Pillow Guy Boycott... Did they not have employees that would be affected by a boycott?

Did those boycotting those places stand around in their circle, beating their drums, gazing only into each other’s eyes — exploding in ecstasy if job losses happen for those who work there?

No one working at Target is getting physically threatened... But it's a nice red herring. You can thank the media (AP) for that BS nugget...

I've seen a video of ONE GUY hit ONE sign with his palm as he walked by... SCARY!

You want to talk about real threats and violence? Look back at the Summer of 2020...

[Stu from NYC]

You want answers?

None of this is the employees' fault.

I feel for the regular employees, just like I felt for the employees who were targeted by the Chick Fil-A boycott (that failed miserably), and the Hobby Lobby boycott, or the My Pillow Guy Boycott... Did they not have employees that would be affected by a boycott?

Did those boycotting those places stand around in their circle, beating their drums, gazing only into each other’s eyes — exploding in ecstasy if job losses happen for those who work there?

No one working at Target is getting physically threatened... But it's a nice red herring. You can thank the media (AP) for that BS nugget...

I've seen a video of ONE GUY hit ONE sign with his palm as he walked by... SCARY!

You want to talk about real threats and violence? Look back at the Summer of 2020...

The media wants us to forgot about the summer of 2020 as well as 9/11.

[manaboutown]

"Recent high-profile and controversial marketing decisions by Target and Bud Light are backfiring and burning shareholders in the process to the tune of a combined $28 billion."

Target, Bud Light investors lose billions on marketing misses | Fox Business (https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/rget-bud-light-investors-lose-billions-on-marketing-misses?intcmp=fb_fnc&fbclid=IwAR1DU-4nP9SSmbItOFROmx46d7f5n1yUixnjv4ylw4lNNBhQMv2-gsYBjMM)

[BrianL99]

"Recent high-profile and controversial marketing decisions by Target and Bud Light are backfiring and burning shareholders in the process to the tune of a combined $28 billion."

Target, Bud Light investors lose billions on marketing misses | Fox Business (https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/rget-bud-light-investors-lose-billions-on-marketing-misses?intcmp=fb_fnc&fbclid=IwAR1DU-4nP9SSmbItOFROmx46d7f5n1yUixnjv4ylw4lNNBhQMv2-gsYBjMM)

Just my opinion, but the message I see in these ridiculous advertising decisions, is much more significant than the specifics of the issues.

We all knew this would happen. We knew that Millennials would eventually be in positions of responsibility and allowed to make decisions they weren't capable of making.

Most of us knew they are dumbest, most self-absorbed and naive generation in US history.

They are now proving it every day, by making moronic decisions, whether in business or politics.

[Taltarzac725]

Just my opinion, but the message I see in these ridiculous advertising decisions, is much more significant than the specifics of the issues.

We all knew this would happen. We knew that Millennials would eventually be in positions of responsibility and allowed to make decisions they weren't capable of making.

Most of us knew they are dumbest, most self-absorbed and naive generation in US history.

They are now proving it every day, by making moronic decisions, whether in business or politics.

They are marketing to their age of people and it actually looks smart in the long run. The media is the cause of a lot of this boycotting and stuff. And that is usually to draw more viewers who are upset by these trivialities. FOX and their ilk know just how to trigger some people with what should be non-stories.

[BrianL99]

They are marketing to their age of people and it actually looks smart in the long run. The media is the cause of a lot of this boycotting and stuff. And that is usually to draw more viewers who are upset by these trivialities. FOX and their ilk know just how to trigger some people with what should be non-stories.

They are marketing to a minuscule, marginal & irrelevant minority of a market, in the hope that their "wokeness" will translate to enhanced public perception of their businesses.

If folks really cared about the politics of the companies they support, Arm & Hammer would have been out of business 50+ years ago and Nike, 25 years ago.

[mraines]

Amazing how executives have not learned from the bud disaster.

Amazing how intolerant some people can be.

[Stu from NYC]

Amazing how intolerant some people can be.

Or people learned right from wrong at an early age and do what they think is right and not what others tell them to do.

[manaboutown]

They are marketing to their age of people and it actually looks smart in the long run. The media is the cause of a lot of this boycotting and stuff. And that is usually to draw more viewers who are upset by these trivialities. FOX and their ilk know just how to trigger some people with what should be non-stories.

It has proven to be disastrous in the short run and it definitely does not look smart in the long run. Bud Light has probably lost market share for the foreseeable future. Target started losing customers when it opened its ladies rooms to use by men with all their male parts able to enter and use them by laughably claiming they identified as women. Yeah, right! Target is marketing to only a very small percentage of the population, those wanting LGBTQIA clothing for babies, toddlers and young children, perhaps to groom them? . Their marketing is repugnant to the vast majority of us which is why their sales and stocks are bombing. I for one am an extremely unhappy shareholder!

[dewilson58]

Amazing how intolerant some people can be.

Intolerant about publicly celebrating sin.

What other sin do we celebrate and take PRIDE in??

[Michael 61]

Intolerant about publicly celebrating sin.

What other sin do we celebrate and take PRIDE in??

I whole-heartedly agree with dewilson - I have bitten my tongue up to now on these threads about companies pandering to the trans community, but the bottom line for many of us that disagree is that we are Bible-believing Christians, who see many of these activities as sinful, and it would be contrary to our faith to celebrate such sinful acts. I think I speak for the majority of residents here in The Villages, but most are fearful of posting their beliefs, as they would probably be mocked, shamed and attempted to be silenced by a small minority, yet very vocal few that are intolerant and unaccepting of the majority that hold Christian beliefs.

[manaboutown]

Bud Light 24-pack sells for $3.49 in at least one store as sales tank: report | Fox Business (https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/bud-light-24-pack-sells-3-49-least-1-store-sales-tank-report?intcmp=fb_fnc&fbclid=IwAR117XgodlIWhNd1Cf96yfY2eMYPCB4OcKYl4IFB0 sFvcBxhmeOBji_yEp4)

[Taltarzac725]

They are marketing to a minuscule, marginal & irrelevant minority of a market, in the hope that their "wokeness" will translate to enhanced public perception of their businesses.

If folks really cared about the politics of the companies they support, Arm & Hammer would have been out of business 50+ years ago and Nike, 25 years ago.

And where are these advertisements? From what I have seen they are in places where their target audience would look and not where anyone but someone who wants to stir up trouble would look.

[JMintzer]

They are marketing to their age of people and it actually looks smart in the long run. The media is the cause of a lot of this boycotting and stuff. And that is usually to draw more viewers who are upset by these trivialities. FOX and their ilk know just how to trigger some people with what should be non-stories.

FOX News! Everybody drink!

And sure, losing $10 BIlLION in value is absolutely BRILLIANT in the long run...

[JMintzer]

Amazing how intolerant some people can be.

I know... Some people were so intolerant to Chick Fil-A, Hobby Lobby and the My Pillow guy... No to mention the massive BDS movement against Israel... Pulling the All-Star Game from Atlanta, various states banning government travel to other states...

Oh, wait... You weren't talking about that intolerance?

[JMintzer]

And where are these advertisements? From what I have seen they are in places where their target audience would look and not where anyone but someone who wants to stir up trouble would look.

Well, Target advertises on TV and they have huge advertisement displays in their stores. The others? All over the internet.

Maybe not you, but many, many people use the internet as their news source and buying guide...

[Stu from NYC]

I know... Some people were so intolerant to Chick Fil-A, Hobby Lobby and the My Pillow guy... No to mention the massive BDS movement against Israel... Pulling the All-Star Game from Atlanta, various states banning government travel to other states...

Oh, wait... You weren't talking about that intolerance?

Very well said. Some folks on here have very short memories or only remember what they are in favor of.

[Byte1]

All this has to be blamed on that "BINARY" AI.

My wife told me this morning that she is no longer to be referred to as overweight. She now identifies as TRANS-Slender.

[manaboutown]

And where are these advertisements? From what I have seen they are in places where their target audience would look and not where anyone but someone who wants to stir up trouble would look.

From Target's website for all the world to see, even children: PRIDE : Target (https://www.target.com/c/pride/-/N-5589f)

Check out the kiddie clothing, toys and more. I do not know how parents could block their children from viewing it.

[Taltarzac725]

From Target's website for all the world to see, even children: PRIDE : Target (https://www.target.com/c/pride/-/N-5589f)

Check out the kiddie clothing, toys and more. I do not know how parents could block their children from viewing it.

So what. You probably Googled Pride and Target.

The most basic Christian principle is What is the Golden Rule? - Biblical Meaning, Importance and Examples (https://www.christianity.com/wiki/christian-life/what-is-the-golden-rule.html)

Not hate whom Fox loudmouths and their ilk tell whom to hate.

[dewilson58]

The most basic Christian principle is What is the Golden Rule? - Biblical Meaning, Importance and Examples (https://www.christianity.com/wiki/christian-life/what-is-the-golden-rule.html).

Talt........we agree A LOT, but I believe your "Bible reference" is incomplete.

1) "Golden Rule" is not explicitly found in Scripture.

2) This became the popular way of referring to the words of Jesus in Matthew 7:12.

3) Matthew 7:12 reads, "So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets." Second, even though the Golden Rule addresses human interpersonal relationships, its message is additionally theological. That is, the very character of God guides how we should interact and relate to one another.

It does not say, stand by and do nothing about the celebration of sin, the promotion of sin, the introduction of sin to children, to share sin agendas.

4) If a person condones sin, it means the person accepts, allows, and approves sin in their lives or in other people’s lives. While Christians are commanded not to judge others (Matthew 7:1), it does not mean Christians should condone sin.

A person’s sin separates them from God as the Bible says, “But your iniquities have separated you from your God; your sins have hidden his face from you, so that he will not hear” (Isaiah 59:2). If you condone sin in your own life, it will separate you from God. Even as believers, our sin can separate us from God.

[Taltarzac725]

Talt........we agree A LOT, but I believe your "Bible reference" is incomplete.

1) "Golden Rule" is not explicitly found in Scripture.

2) This became the popular way of referring to the words of Jesus in Matthew 7:12.

3) Matthew 7:12 reads, "So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets." Second, even though the Golden Rule addresses human interpersonal relationships, its message is additionally theological. That is, the very character of God guides how we should interact and relate to one another.

It does not say, stand by and do nothing about the celebration of sin, the promotion of sin, the introduction of sin to children, to share sin agendas.

4) If a person condones sin, it means the person accepts, allows, and approves sin in their lives or in other people’s lives. While Christians are commanded not to judge others (Matthew 7:1), it does not mean Christians should condone sin.

A person’s sin separates them from God as the Bible says, “But your iniquities have separated you from your God; your sins have hidden his face from you, so that he will not hear” (Isaiah 59:2). If you condone sin in your own life, it will separate you from God. Even as believers, our sin can separate us from God.

“So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.” Matthew 7:12

“Do to others as you would have them do to you.” Luke 6:31

Those are expressions of the Golden Rule.

[dewilson58]

Those are expressions of the Golden Rule.

I think you have it backwards..................The Golden Rule is an expression of pieces of the Bible.

You can't take pieces, must understand the interrelationship of verses.

Cherry picking or reading headlines is not the way to understand.

Paul Harvey comes to mind.

:beer3:

[manaboutown]

So what. You probably Googled Pride and Target.

The most basic Christian principle is What is the Golden Rule? - Biblical Meaning, Importance and Examples (https://www.christianity.com/wiki/christian-life/what-is-the-golden-rule.html)

Not hate whom Fox loudmouths and their ilk tell whom to hate.

FOX is not about hate; FOX is about facts. The hate is coming from some of the fringe groups FOX is exposing for what they are.

Nashville school shooter manifesto: Police group sides with school in lawsuit over release | Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/us/nashville-school-shooter-audrey-hale-manifesto-police-group-sides-with-school-lawsuit-over-release)

Archdiocese of LA criticizes re-invitation of anti-Catholic drag queens to Dodgers game | Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/us/archdiocese-la-criticizes-re-invitation-anti-catholic-drag-queens-dodgers-game)

Nebraska senator flips out debating ban on sex change surgeries for minors, screams '''we need trans people''' | Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/nebraska-senator-flips-out-debating-ban-sex-change-surgeries-minors-screams-we-need-trans-people)

Trans screamer. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwWb0HDH3Ag

[manaboutown]

///

[Taltarzac725]

I think you have it backwards..................The Golden Rule is an expression of pieces of the Bible.

You can't take pieces, must understand the interrelationship of verses.

Cherry picking or reading headlines is not the way to understand.

Paul Harvey comes to mind.

:beer3:

The Bible was written over hundreds of years. There are estimates of 1500-1600 years. There are only parts except for the Gospels which do contain the actual words used by Jesus Christ.

[dewilson58]

The Bible was written over hundreds of years. There are estimates of 1500-1600 years. There are only parts except for the Gospels which do contain the actual words used by Jesus Christ.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

The Bible is God's Word.

The Trinity, three separate but one..............kinda pulls it all together as one.


Are we off track???

My point was The Golden Rule is not God's word..............it's a man made term.


I'm not judging the sinners, I'm identifying them and not condoning them and don't want their views taught to minors and I don't want it thrown in my face every where I go and I don't want to support entities who support sinners actions/views openly.

:ho:

[Taltarzac725]

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

The Bible is God's Word.

The Trinity, three separate but one..............kinda pulls it all together as one.


Are we off track???

My point was The Golden Rule is not God's word..............it's a man made term.


I'm not judging the sinners, I'm identifying them and not condoning them and don't want their views taught to minors and I don't want it thrown in my face every where I go and I don't want to support entities who support sinners actions/views openly.

:ho:

The Bible is a product of maybe 40 or more writers. Probably more if you count the books left out of it. Christ's words are in the Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. Usually printed in red ink.

[dewilson58]

The Bible is a product of maybe 40 or more writers. Probably more if you count the books left out of it. Christ's words are in the Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. Usually printed in red ink.

Ouch................Sorry if you don't think God spoke thru the writers / Gospels.

[Bill14564]

From Target's website for all the world to see, even children: PRIDE : Target (https://www.target.com/c/pride/-/N-5589f)

Check out the kiddie clothing, toys and more. I do not know how parents could block their children from viewing it.

I didn’t go through all 50 pages but what specifically did you find offensive? It all looks harmless to me.

[Taltarzac725]

Ouch................Sorry if you don't think God spoke thru the writers / Gospels.

What books were removed from the Bible and why? Where might I find them? - Quora (https://www.quora.com/What-books-were-removed-from-the-Bible-and-why-Where-might-I-find-them)

I think various entities stamped their own impressions on those words. But the most central idea is the Golden Rule which is to "Do unto others as you would have done onto you" without any evaluations as to whether or not they are sinners. That is where you bring in ALL the deadly sins especially when you are judging other people.

[manaboutown]

Some of these woke companies such as TGT, BUD, Nike, The North Face and others have discovered PRIDE goeth before a fall in the numbers of their customers, their earnings and in the prices of their stocks.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Isn't it supposed to be spelled "nothingburger?" I mean, if we are going to suddenly check for spelling errors..........:boom:

No, it's "nothingberder." If you don't get the reference, oh well. Some folks will.

[Michael 61]

What books were removed from the Bible and why? Where might I find them? - Quora (https://www.quora.com/What-books-were-removed-from-the-Bible-and-why-Where-might-I-find-them)

I think various entities stamped their own impressions on those words. But the most central idea is the Golden Rule which is to "Do unto others as you would have done onto you" without any evaluations as to whether or not they are sinners. That is where you bring in ALL the deadly sins especially when you are judging other people.

Talt — the one scripture that every non-Bible believing person knows is “Judge not, yet ye be judged” - This verse is always taken out of context by non-believers, who love to throw it in the face of believers. The verse does not say we are never to call out sin, but quite the opposite actually, we as believers are to call out those that are in sin and for them to repent and trust in Christ for salvation. The verse in question means we as believers are not to judge hypocritically (calling out someone in a particular sin that we ourselves are guilty of). We are commanded to not conform to this world, but to have a biblical and eternal perspective on all things and how we live our lives.

Also, scripture tells us that ALL scripture is from God, who led men, who were inspired by the Holy Spirit in their writings.

[dwoodley1975]

[QUOTE=oneclickplus;2220740]Since you asked:

Deuteronomy 22:5 “A woman shall not wear anything that pertains to a man, nor shall a man put on a woman’s garment, for all who do so are an abomination to the Lord your God."

So, I'd say God cares. And I do also.[/QUOTE


Let's quote the bible... Most you wanna be Christians are hyprocitics

[manaboutown]

So what. You probably Googled Pride and Target.

The most basic Christian principle is What is the Golden Rule? - Biblical Meaning, Importance and Examples (https://www.christianity.com/wiki/christian-life/what-is-the-golden-rule.html)

Not hate whom Fox loudmouths and their ilk tell whom to hate.

Actually I did not google anything. I typed in "target.com" and this is the highly offensive garbage I got on their website.

[Taltarzac725]

Talt — the one scripture that every non-Bible believing person knows is “Judge not, yet ye be judged” - This verse is always taken out of context by non-believers, who love to throw it in the face of believers. The verse does not say we are never to call out sin, but quite the opposite actually, we as believers are to call out those that are in sin and for them to repent and trust in Christ for salvation. The verse in question means we as believers are not to judge hypocritically (calling out someone in a particular sin that we ourselves are guilty of). We are commanded to not conform to this world, but to have a biblical and eternal perspective on all things and how we live our lives.

Also, scripture tells us that ALL scripture is from God, who led men, who were inspired by the Holy Spirit in their writings.


Believe depending on what denomination people are this varies a lot. As to whether or not we take The Bible word-for-word to be the WORD OF GOD.

I did find this though--
Understanding a Misunderstood Bible Verse - JSTOR Daily (https://daily.jstor.org/nderstanding-a-misunderstood-bible-verse/)

I am a Lutheran by upbringing and believe it is up to each person to read their own Bible and come up with what it means to that person without the interference of others.

I also minored in Religious Studies at the University of Nevada, Reno. The problem of evil has interested me a lot all my life. We have laws to deal with evil deeds even if those also are often dependent on historical circumstance.

[buster21]

I have aged reading all this. It’s like hubby says everybody is a know it all. Happy Memorial Day weekend!

[JMintzer]

So what. You probably Googled Pride and Target.

The most basic Christian principle is What is the Golden Rule? - Biblical Meaning, Importance and Examples (https://www.christianity.com/wiki/christian-life/what-is-the-golden-rule.html)

Not hate whom Fox loudmouths and their ilk tell whom to hate.

You ask for proof. You're given proof. Your response? "So what?"

Then, you change the subject...

You wanna talk hate? I'm old enough to remember MSNBC and CNN (and the other alphabet networks) calling conservative "Domestic Terrorists" and "White Supremacists"...

But that's different, right?

Oh, and btw, just go to Target's website. Click on "family clothing" No "Pride" needed in the search...

[JMintzer]

The Bible is a product of maybe 40 or more writers. Probably more if you count the books left out of it. Christ's words are in the Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. Usually printed in red ink.

Can't argue the original topic? Change the topic...

[JMintzer]

I didn’t go through all 50 pages but what specifically did you find offensive? It all looks harmless to me.

"I didn't read the thread, but I'll ask a question that has been answered multiple times..."

[MDLNB]

So what. You probably Googled Pride and Target.

The most basic Christian principle is What is the Golden Rule? - Biblical Meaning, Importance and Examples (https://www.christianity.com/wiki/christian-life/what-is-the-golden-rule.html)

Not hate whom Fox loudmouths and their ilk tell whom to hate.


Looks like someone is "hating" FOX "loudmouths."

Just remember "God hates the SIN, not the sinner." Christians do not HATE sexual deviants, they HATE the sin and abnormal, unhealthy and nasty behavior of the mentally disturbed that are expecting their corruption to be not only excused but endorsed. Sorry, but I don't condone this sinful behavior, and I can hardly tolerate it. It won't be long before my tolerance runs out. I don't condone unruly children in public and I have no intention of being required to tolerate a few that demand that their abhorrent behavior be encouraged in public. If they wish to be clowns and freaks then they should join the circus where they can get the attention they crave so much and get paid for it.

Intolerant? Bigot? Almost. Keep your freakness private if you insist upon an abnormal lifestyle. As a matter of fact, keep ANY intimate lifestyle private, straight or deviant.

[MDLNB]

Believe depending on what denomination people are this varies a lot. As to whether or not we take The Bible word-for-word to be the WORD OF GOD.

I did find this though--
Understanding a Misunderstood Bible Verse - JSTOR Daily (https://daily.jstor.org/nderstanding-a-misunderstood-bible-verse/)

I am a Lutheran by upbringing and believe it is up to each person to read their own Bible and come up with what it means to that person without the interference of others.

I also minored in Religious Studies at the University of Nevada, Reno. The problem of evil has interested me a lot all my life. We have laws to deal with evil deeds even if those also are often dependent on historical circumstance.


Yes, and we used to have DECENCY laws until stupid organizations like the ACLU got involved, chipping away at decency. It's funny how sin becomes acceptable until someone gets hurt. Burning down cities based on some incident that is deemed wrong to some folks, is acceptable to folks from other cities....not so much to the victims. Perversion is OK in the media until someone finally puts a stop to it.

[MDLNB]

Golden Rule? If someone invaded your home, how would you treat them? Do they expect to be treated any different than if you invaded their home, or someone else's home? How would you EXPECT to be treated if you broke into their home? We have laws and rules. Even expectations of decency. It seems to me that one does not need to be a lawyer to understand the points of common sense, decency, and NORMAL behavior. Christians should not need to argue the Bible with non-believers to prove a point. If those folks insist on attempting to find vulnerability in Christians by quoting misused phrases from the Bible, it means that they do not have a winning argument and have to resort to more perversion, perversion of beliefs that they themselves do not believe or understand. Christians are Tolerant when they do not condone. But, even GOD's tolerance is limited, as the example of the Great Flood proves. Of course, the non-believer does not believe in this historical fact or of the Christian DEITY.

[MDLNB]

No, it's "nothingberder." If you don't get the reference, oh well. Some folks will.


Funny! I bet many of us on here also GOT what the other poster was referring to when he/she/it misspelled Google. Oh well, some of us did.:)

[Taltarzac725]

WOW.

Someone who disagrees with you in not a Christian? You should read some history. Most wars have been fought over who or what is a good Christian, Muslim, Jew, etc.

All of this crap because someone is selling a bathing suit to someone who feels they are male or female instead of how they were born. Neither the seller or the buyer is evil.

Golden Rule? If someone invaded your home, how would you treat them? Do they expect to be treated any different than if you invaded their home, or someone else's home? How would you EXPECT to be treated if you broke into their home? We have laws and rules. Even expectations of decency. It seems to me that one does not need to be a lawyer to understand the points of common sense, decency, and NORMAL behavior. Christians should not need to argue the Bible with non-believers to prove a point. If those folks insist on attempting to find vulnerability in Christians by quoting misused phrases from the Bible, it means that they do not have a winning argument and have to resort to more perversion, perversion of beliefs that they themselves do not believe or understand. Christians are Tolerant when they do not condone. But, even GOD's tolerance is limited, as the example of the Great Flood proves. Of course, the non-believer does not believe in this historical fact or of the Christian DEITY.

[Taltarzac725]

Yes, and we used to have DECENCY laws until stupid organizations like the ACLU got involved, chipping away at decency. It's funny how sin becomes acceptable until someone gets hurt. Burning down cities based on some incident that is deemed wrong to some folks, is acceptable to folks from other cities....not so much to the victims. Perversion is OK in the media until someone finally puts a stop to it.

The ACLU, United Nations, NAACP do good work. Which most Christians easily see.

You are blaming some inner city people with next to nothing for expressing their anger by burning down the stores they use most of the time. Stupid on their part. But really only has to do with how these people feel about their lives. It has nothing to do with anything else.

And most media are good people. Lawyers and law enforcement usually catch up with the bad ones.

It seems like common sense has flown out the window of late.

[JMintzer]

The ACLU, United Nations, NAACP do good work. Which most Christians easily see.

You forgot the "used to"...

You are blaming some inner city people with next to nothing for expressing their anger by burning down the stores they use most of the time. Stupid on their part. But really only has to do with how these people feel about their lives. It has nothing to do with anything else.

So, it's only "inner city people"? Some would call that generalization "racist"...

And most media are good people. Lawyers and law enforcement usually catch up with the bad ones.

Except FOX News, right?

It seems like common sense has flown out the window of late.

Yes, it most certainly has... No one with "common sense" would think it's a good idea to promote one's sexuality to children...

[Taltarzac725]

George Floyd protests - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Floyd_protests)

Over simplification by me corrected.

You forgot the "used to"...



So, it's only "inner city people"? Some would call that generalization "racist"...



Except FOX News, right?



Yes, it most certainly has... No one with "common sense" would think it's a good idea to promote one's sexuality to children...

What does that have to do with children? Gay people are all over many channels on TV and have been for years.

I have various FOX news people on my Facebook page. It varies from person-to-person. But they certainly have been in news of late with respect to lawsuits going against them.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

From Target's website for all the world to see, even children: PRIDE : Target (https://www.target.com/c/pride/-/N-5589f)

Check out the kiddie clothing, toys and more. I do not know how parents could block their children from viewing it.

I checked the kiddie clothing. Sentiments like "be kind" "I'm proud of you always" and "it takes all kinds." In rainbow colors. There's nothing that says "Hi I'm trans and proud" or "out and proud" or "lesbian and proud" or "be gay like me" or "mommy made me this way" or any other - who knows whatever perversions are in the heads of people who have a problem with this.

There is nothing "indoctrinating" about "be kind," "I'm proud of you always," "It takes all kinds," or rainbows and pictures of different cartoon characters.

If you think there is, then that's definitely a you problem, not a kid problem. The perversion is in the perception, not in the message.

[lkagele]

Indoctrinating? Certainly some see it in that light.

Maybe those that find the tuck swimsuit so offensive might find a sales slogan like this less indoctrinating:

"If It Floats Your Boat, Buy It and Wear It"

[JMintzer]

George Floyd protests - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Floyd_protests)

Over simplification by me corrected.



What does that have to do with children? Gay people are all over many channels on TV and have been for years.

I have various FOX news people on my Facebook page. It varies from person-to-person. But they certainly have been in news of late with respect to lawsuits going against them.

Target specifically sold Pride clothes designed for children... Did you bother to even look at their website?

For the umpteenth time... No one has a problem with gay people... It's when ANYONE promotes their sexuality to children... I'd have the same reaction if they were selling S&M themed clothing promoted by straight people...

And sure... Let's change the subject, once again... Now it's FOX lawsuits?

[JMintzer]

I checked the kiddie clothing. Sentiments like "be kind" "I'm proud of you always" and "it takes all kinds." In rainbow colors. There's nothing that says "Hi I'm trans and proud" or "out and proud" or "lesbian and proud" or "be gay like me" or "mommy made me this way" or any other - who knows whatever perversions are in the heads of people who have a problem with this.

There is nothing "indoctrinating" about "be kind," "I'm proud of you always," "It takes all kinds," or rainbows and pictures of different cartoon characters.

If you think there is, then that's definitely a you problem, not a kid problem. The perversion is in the perception, not in the message.

Looks like they removed the pronoun shirt with naked women (one of whom was a man) shirt from their website... I wonder why?

And where did the "Trans People Will Aways Exist" shirt go? Hmmm...

[Taltarzac725]

I checked the kiddie clothing. Sentiments like "be kind" "I'm proud of you always" and "it takes all kinds." In rainbow colors. There's nothing that says "Hi I'm trans and proud" or "out and proud" or "lesbian and proud" or "be gay like me" or "mommy made me this way" or any other - who knows whatever perversions are in the heads of people who have a problem with this.

There is nothing "indoctrinating" about "be kind," "I'm proud of you always," "It takes all kinds," or rainbows and pictures of different cartoon characters.

If you think there is, then that's definitely a you problem, not a kid problem. The perversion is in the perception, not in the message.

This probably is crap now on Fox. I mean about the attacks on gay pride expressed in kids t-shirts and the like. Just more spreading of hate toward some are seen as OTHER.

[Byte1]

This probably is crap now on Fox. I mean about the attacks on gay pride expressed in kids t-shirts and the like. Just more spreading of hate toward some are seen as OTHER.

What's with all the FOX "hate?"
I guess some folks are intimidated by opposing views, huh?
Don't worry, FOX has changed quite a bit from conservative to moderate. They even have the dreaded liberally minded folks and hire gays. Who da thought, huh?

Question: Who decides what is news and what is a "nothingburger?" Just asking for a friend. I woulda checked with google but I couldn't spell Google, or maybe my fingers on the keyboard just wouldn't function properly in my old age.

By the way, my gay cousin also believes that these drag queens are queer....:pepper2:

[JMintzer]

This probably is crap now on Fox. I mean about the attacks on gay pride expressed in kids t-shirts and the like. Just more spreading of hate toward some are seen as OTHER.

So much for the "most media are good people" claim, right?

[JMintzer]

What's with all the FOX "hate?"
I guess some folks are intimidated by opposing views, huh?
Don't worry, FOX has changed quite a bit from conservative to moderate. They even have the dreaded liberally minded folks and hire gays. Who da thought, huh?

When they have no argument, they blame FOX News!

Question: Who decides what is news and what is a "nothingburger?" Just asking for a friend. I woulda checked with google but I couldn't spell Google, or maybe my fingers on the keyboard just wouldn't function properly in my old age.

Apparently, OBB...

By the way, my gay cousin also believes that these drag queens are queer....:pepper2:

Queer as in "strange, odd"?

I do find it strange/odd that they think it is so important to read to toddlers and kindergarten students... Why not nursing home residents?

[Taltarzac725]

So much for the "most media are good people" claim, right?


Fox is entertainment and not news. And probably many people at Fox do not take anything on their news station very seriously.

[Byte1]

Fox is entertainment and not news. And probably many people at Fox do not take anything on their news station very seriously.

Wrong! Watch it once in a while. I watch it once in a while. Especially, when the MSM doesn't cover something that I consider to be interesting news. Yes, they do have some commentary, but what news station doesn't? CNN? Nope! By the way, most of the news at FOX comes from the same origin as the rest of the networks, the AP and Reuters. Not that I get much of my news from TV networks. Most of my news is from news feeds on the Internet. But, if I was going to recommend a TV network news, it would likely be FOX. I also enjoy SKY news, BBC news and a few others from time to time.

[Stu from NYC]

Fox is entertainment and not news. And probably many people at Fox do not take anything on their news station very seriously.

I like your posts when you talk about movies and books. Your defending transexuals and the gay agenda normalizing all kinds of creepy behavior and criticizing fox over all they put out not so much.

[Taltarzac725]

I like your posts when you talk about movies and books. Your defending transexuals and the gay agenda normalizing all kinds of creepy behavior and criticizing fox over all they put out not so much.

I am not normalizing transexuals. They are a very small number of the population but get all kinds of press. Usually from the far right. I just don't agree with making people targets of hate because they do not like how these people feel about their bodies.

[Byte1]

When they have no argument, they blame FOX News!



Apparently, OBB...



Queer as in "strange, odd"?

I do find it strange/odd that they think it is so important to read to toddlers and kindergarten students... Why not nursing home residents?

Because they would be laughed at? Just a guess.

I can understand why females might wish to dress like a guy, but a guy dress like a female? I have seen how long it takes for women to put on makeup. Why would a guy wish to do that? A dress? Not that many females wear dresses today. Not when they can wear pants suits. High heels? Other than hookers and formal dress, how many women wear them anymore? Hey, guys can be out the door with little notice. Shoot, today lots of guys get away without even shaving, and some find the rugged look appealing. I haven't been able to pull off the "rugged" look. My wife tells me to shave when she notices I went all day with yesterdays growth. But, different strokes for different folks, as the saying goes.

Personally, I think that they enjoy reading to little kids because they believe the children are too well mannered to laugh at them. Or maybe the children are too shocked and don't know how to react?

[Taltarzac725]

Lots of movies feature gay/lesbian people. They are many gay/lesbians in Hollywood.

[Caymus]

Fox is entertainment and not news. And probably many people at Fox do not take anything on their news station very seriously.

How do you describe "mainstream" media sources that win Pulitizers for reporting fictional reports on stories like "Russiagate"?

[Byte1]

I am not normalizing transexuals. They are a very small number of the population but get all kinds of press. Usually from the far right. I just don't agree with making people targets of hate because they do not like how these people feel about their bodies.

Yep, the certainly do get attention. Isn't that their goal? That, and forcing acceptance on the majority opposition.

[Taltarzac725]

How do you describe "mainstream" media sources that win Pulitizers for reporting fictional reports on stories like "Russiagate"?

Not sure what that has to do with anything.

[tuccillo]

Complete nonsense. All news organizations have a hard news and an opinion side of the house. Fox's hard news side is better than most. Opinions on the opinion side of the houses vary. How do you not understand this?

Fox is entertainment and not news. And probably many people at Fox do not take anything on their news station very seriously.

[manaboutown]

Fox is entertainment and not news. And probably many people at Fox do not take anything on their news station very seriously.

This describes CNN, MSNBC and most of the mainstream media but not FOX which reports facts. BTW, MSM are the haters, not FOX.

[Stu from NYC]

I am not normalizing transexuals. They are a very small number of the population but get all kinds of press. Usually from the far right. I just don't agree with making people targets of hate because they do not like how these people feel about their bodies.

I think you know that is not what I meant.

When these people try and convince children what they do is ok and normal I have to draw the line. When corporations try and tell us the same thing I will not accept that either.

[Stu from NYC]

Lots of movies feature gay/lesbian people. They are many gay/lesbians in Hollywood.

Start watching a series on Netflix called Hollywood. Thinking it rings true and gays ran the movie business in large part.

[Stu from NYC]

This describes CNN, MSNBC and most of the mainstream media but not FOX which reports facts. BTW, MSM are the haters, not FOX.

The interesting is ratings keep going down for the cnn's and msnbc's but they continue on their merry way with their losses mounting.

[Taltarzac725]

I think you know that is not what I meant.

When these people try and convince children what they do is ok and normal I have to draw the line. When corporations try and tell us the same thing I will not accept that either.

Who is trying to tell you anything? They have their clothing needs too. And have some products now designed for them.

And parents can make up their own minds about what they want their children to see and how to explain various nothing burgers to them.

[manaboutown]

I checked the kiddie clothing. Sentiments like "be kind" "I'm proud of you always" and "it takes all kinds." In rainbow colors. There's nothing that says "Hi I'm trans and proud" or "out and proud" or "lesbian and proud" or "be gay like me" or "mommy made me this way" or any other - who knows whatever perversions are in the heads of people who have a problem with this.

There is nothing "indoctrinating" about "be kind," "I'm proud of you always," "It takes all kinds," or rainbows and pictures of different cartoon characters.

If you think there is, then that's definitely a you problem, not a kid problem. The perversion is in the perception, not in the message.

If you only checked their website recently Target did remove some merchandise from its stores and hence likely its website although I have not followed what and when as I could not stomach continuing to look at it. Some of it made we want to vomit, especially some of the children's' wear. I am not alone in that. Clearly, whatever target was selling elicited strong reactions from enough people to cause Target, one of the wokest of companies, to step back, at least a little.

Like Potter Stewart, "I know it when I see it." Movie Day at the Supreme Court or "I Know It When I See It": A History of the Definition of Obscenity - FindLaw (https://corporate.findlaw.com/litigation-disputes/movie-day-at-the-supreme-court-or-i-know-it-when-i-see-it-a.html#:~:text=Justice%20Stewart%27s%20Definition% 2C%20The%20Casablanca,bring%20back%20locally%20pro duced%20pornography).

[manaboutown]

Fox is entertainment and not news. And probably many people at Fox do not take anything on their news station very seriously.

FOX provides news based on facts; MSM such as CNN and MSNBC air fake news and are just brainwashing entities and propaganda organs.

[manaboutown]

Lots of movies feature gay/lesbian people. They are many gay/lesbians in Hollywood.

:popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::BigApplause::BigApplau se::BigApplause::beer3::beer3::beer3:

This is a post with which I fully agree!

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Golden Rule? If someone invaded your home, how would you treat them? Do they expect to be treated any different than if you invaded their home, or someone else's home? How would you EXPECT to be treated if you broke into their home? We have laws and rules. Even expectations of decency. It seems to me that one does not need to be a lawyer to understand the points of common sense, decency, and NORMAL behavior. Christians should not need to argue the Bible with non-believers to prove a point. If those folks insist on attempting to find vulnerability in Christians by quoting misused phrases from the Bible, it means that they do not have a winning argument and have to resort to more perversion, perversion of beliefs that they themselves do not believe or understand. Christians are Tolerant when they do not condone. But, even GOD's tolerance is limited, as the example of the Great Flood proves. Of course, the non-believer does not believe in this historical fact or of the Christian DEITY.

Which expectations of decency? As a Jewish woman, "decency" means both men AND women covering themselves modestly. Long sleeves, no shorts, women don't wear pants at all, dresses and skirts only. Men wear a yarmulke and married women wear wigs or scarves that cover their hair (or shaved scalps). Men don't touch women at all in public, married couples must not sleep in the same bed or touch for the window of time that a woman enters and exits her menstrual cycle.

What's the matter - that's too much to expect? According to whom? Who died and made you boss of all things decent?

Meanwhile back in modern non-Chassidic America - gays and lesbians exist. So do transgenders, non-binaries, and straight males and females who are into kinky sexual fetishes that have nothing to do with gender or sexual identity. Men have been wearing gowns and robes since before Rome was built, and Shakespeare plays were performed by men who played both male AND female parts, because women weren't permitted to perform in plays at the time. So there were lots of men in drag. Some of them were gay. Most of them were straight.

What's "decent" to you might be "stupid" to me. What's decent to me might be ungodly to you. But - I don't believe in your god, so I don't really care what you think is ungodly. It doesn't apply to me.

[JMintzer]

I am not normalizing transexuals. They are a very small number of the population but get all kinds of press. Usually from the far right. I just don't agree with making people targets of hate because they do not like how these people feel about their bodies.

They get all kinds of press because they TRY to get all kinds of press...

They are probably THE most vocal identity group put there right now...

But sure, keep repeating your "targets of hate" mantra... I'm sure you believe it...

[JMintzer]

Lots of movies feature gay/lesbian people. They are many gay/lesbians in Hollywood.

And what's your point?

[JMintzer]

Who is trying to tell you anything? They have their clothing needs too. And have some products now designed for them.

And parents can make up their own minds about what they want their children to see and how to explain various nothing burgers to them.

Not when they show up in schools, they don't...

Oh wait, if they complain they are called "terrorists" by the DOJ...

[Taltarzac725]

Which expectations of decency? As a Jewish woman, "decency" means both men AND women covering themselves modestly. Long sleeves, no shorts, women don't wear pants at all, dresses and skirts only. Men wear a yarmulke and married women wear wigs or scarves that cover their hair (or shaved scalps). Men don't touch women at all in public, married couples must not sleep in the same bed or touch for the window of time that a woman enters and exits her menstrual cycle.

What's the matter - that's too much to expect? According to whom? Who died and made you boss of all things decent?

Meanwhile back in modern non-Chassidic America - gays and lesbians exist. So do transgenders, non-binaries, and straight males and females who are into kinky sexual fetishes that have nothing to do with gender or sexual identity. Men have been wearing gowns and robes since before Rome was built, and Shakespeare plays were performed by men who played both male AND female parts, because women weren't permitted to perform in plays at the time. So there were lots of men in drag. Some of them were gay. Most of them were straight.

What's "decent" to you might be "stupid" to me. What's decent to me might be ungodly to you. But - I don't believe in your god, so I don't really care what you think is ungodly. It doesn't apply to me.

Nicely put. And the central tenet of Christianity is love one's neighbor which is found many places in the recorded words of Jesus Christ. It does not matter what race, creed, or sexual orientation they have.

[JMintzer]

Which expectations of decency? As a Jewish woman, "decency" means both men AND women covering themselves modestly. Long sleeves, no shorts, women don't wear pants at all, dresses and skirts only. Men wear a yarmulke and married women wear wigs or scarves that cover their hair (or shaved scalps). Men don't touch women at all in public, married couples must not sleep in the same bed or touch for the window of time that a woman enters and exits her menstrual cycle.

What's the matter - that's too much to expect? According to whom? Who died and made you boss of all things decent?

Gimme' a break... You don't believe a word of that. You're citing Hassidic Jews, of which you most certainly are not one.

Meanwhile back in modern non-Chassidic America - gays and lesbians exist. So do transgenders, non-binaries, and straight males and females who are into kinky sexual fetishes that have nothing to do with gender or sexual identity. Men have been wearing gowns and robes since before Rome was built, and Shakespeare plays were performed by men who played both male AND female parts, because women weren't permitted to perform in plays at the time. So there were lots of men in drag. Some of them were gay. Most of them were straight.

All of which is completely irrelevant to the conversation at hand.

What's "decent" to you might be "stupid" to me. What's decent to me might be ungodly to you. But - I don't believe in your god, so I don't really care what you think is ungodly. It doesn't apply to me.

Then stop claiming you're a Jew... You may be one ethnically, but you're not one culturally, nor religiously...

[jimbomaybe]

I am not normalizing transexuals. They are a very small number of the population but get all kinds of press. Usually from the far right. I just don't agree with making people targets of hate because they do not like how these people feel about their bodies.

Why is that small number of people with profound maladjustments getting so much attention ? Why the pop culture effort to normalize and seemingly encourage it. If you take issue with this sociological drift into phantasy you are assumed to be a bigot, a hater, someone motivated by malice , lacking in compassion . Apparently there are many people with their own issues who are comforted by this normalization

[Taltarzac725]

Why is that small number of people with profound maladjustments getting so much attention ? Why the pop culture effort to normalize and seemingly encourage it. If you take issue with this sociological drift into phantasy you are assumed to be a bigot, a hater, someone motivated by malice , lacking in compassion . Apparently there are many people with their own issues who are comforted by this normalization

Reasoning looks like an attack on the person making the argument. And is over simplification of a complicated subject.
"Profound maladjustment". More spreading of hate towards a very small group of people. Who in some societies were easily just accepted by others.

[jimbomaybe]

Reasoning looks like an attack on the person making the argument. And is over simplification of a complicated subject.
"Profound maladjustment". More spreading of hate towards a very small group of people. Who in some societies were easily just accepted by others.

Facts are not an attack, you make my case that to disagree there must be some negative aspect of one's character, Sexual reproduction has been around what millions if not billions of years, every living thing has two basic imperatives survive and reproduce , what ever confusion about what your biology is works against your reproductive success, the genetic difference make for profound and pervasive differences, physically, physiologically, as well as mentally, where is my error in fact or logic?

[Taltarzac725]

Facts are not an attack, you make my case that to disagree there must be some negative aspect of one's character, Sexual reproduction has been around what millions if not billions of years, every living thing has two basic imperatives survive and reproduce , what ever confusion about what your biology is works against your reproductive success, the genetic difference make for profound and pervasive differences, physically, physiologically, as well as mentally, where is my error in fact or logic?

You should research homosexuality in Ancient Greece. It was the norm. And cross dressing is found in many cultures and not seen as aberrant.

[Byte1]

Which expectations of decency? As a Jewish woman, "decency" means both men AND women covering themselves modestly. Long sleeves, no shorts, women don't wear pants at all, dresses and skirts only. Men wear a yarmulke and married women wear wigs or scarves that cover their hair (or shaved scalps). Men don't touch women at all in public, married couples must not sleep in the same bed or touch for the window of time that a woman enters and exits her menstrual cycle.

What's the matter - that's too much to expect? According to whom? Who died and made you boss of all things decent?

Meanwhile back in modern non-Chassidic America - gays and lesbians exist. So do transgenders, non-binaries, and straight males and females who are into kinky sexual fetishes that have nothing to do with gender or sexual identity. Men have been wearing gowns and robes since before Rome was built, and Shakespeare plays were performed by men who played both male AND female parts, because women weren't permitted to perform in plays at the time. So there were lots of men in drag. Some of them were gay. Most of them were straight.

What's "decent" to you might be "stupid" to me. What's decent to me might be ungodly to you. But - I don't believe in your god, so I don't really care what you think is ungodly. It doesn't apply to me.

Yes, and Adam and Eve ran around naked until they ate the forbidden fruit and then covered their privates with a fig leaf. Did you have a point? Some folks believe that just because someone does something idiotic, it's humorous or quaint. And some of us (the majority) feel that the same actions are obscene and nasty, abnormal and mentally disturbed, etc.

[Byte1]

You should research homosexuality in Ancient Greece. It was the norm. And cross dressing is found in many cultures and not seen as aberrant.

No, it was not the "norm" in Greece. The elite got away with it, but the majority did not find it the "norm." Perhaps there are SOME cultures that accept cross dressing as not being "aberrant" but MOST cultures do find it abnormal. Some cultures cut the hand off of thieves, but we don't. Some cultures find it an insult to sit with your legs crossed and the bottom of your shoe facing them. To get to the point, American majority believes in certain standards and we care enough for our children that we attempt to protect them from those deviants that we deem dangerous. I consider abnormal mental health to be a threat to children's minds that are not fully developed yet.

[Taltarzac725]

No, it was not the "norm" in Greece. The elite got away with it, but the majority did not find it the "norm." Perhaps there are SOME cultures that accept cross dressing as not being "aberrant" but MOST cultures do find it abnormal. Some cultures cut the hand off of thieves, but we don't. Some cultures find it an insult to sit with your legs crossed and the bottom of your shoe facing them. To get to the point, American majority believes in certain standards and we care enough for our children that we attempt to protect them from those deviants that we deem dangerous. I consider abnormal mental health to be a threat to children's minds that are not fully developed yet.

Wrong. How ancient Greeks viewed pederasty and homosexuality - Big Think (https://bigthink.com/the-past/pederasty-homosexuality-ancient-greece/)

[jimbomaybe]

You should research homosexuality in Ancient Greece. It was the norm. And cross dressing is found in many cultures and not seen as aberrant.

You must have me confused with someone else, this has nothing to do with my post

[Byte1]

"The most widespread and socially significant form of same-sex sexual relations in ancient Greece amongst elite circles was between adult men and pubescent or adolescent boys, known as pederasty"

"Pederasty or paederasty is a sexual relationship between an adult man and a boy. "

I guess the next phase will be justifying this abnormal behavior using "ancient Greece" as our standard? After all, we are speaking of children being exposed to abnormal sexual confusion, are we not? At least, that is what the post above seems to allude to.

[Taltarzac725]

You must have me confused with someone else, this has nothing to do with my post

No. A lot of love affairs having nothing to do with reproduction. Especially those involving lovers of the same sex. Thus, homosexuality in Ancient Greece or many other places.

[oldtimes]

You should research homosexuality in Ancient Greece. It was the norm. And cross dressing is found in many cultures and not seen as aberrant.

So was gladiator fighting and persecutions should we tell kindergarteners that’s ok too? I have no problem with LGBTQ persons. I have a problem with them shoving it in my face and wanting to discuss it in school. Why should we have respect for them when they have no respect for us?

[JMintzer]

No. A lot of love affairs having nothing to do with reproduction. Especially those involving lovers of the same sex. Thus, homosexuality in Ancient Greece or many other places.

You keep ignoring the Man/Boy aspect of ancient Greece homosexuality, which was the rule, not the exception...

Are you in favor of that? A simple yes or no will suffice...

[jimbomaybe]

[QUOTE=Taltarzac725;2221809]No. A lot of love affairs having nothing to do with reproduction. Especially those involving lovers of the same sex. Thus, homosexuality in Ancient Greece or many other places.[/QUOT

As for ancient Greece women were not considered full citizens, pretty much property, slavery was never thought of as anything but natural

[Taltarzac725]

So was gladiator fighting and persecutions should we tell kindergarteners that’s ok too? I have no problem with LGBTQ persons. I have a problem with them shoving it in my face and wanting to discuss it in school. Why should we have respect for them when they have no respect for us?


Does not follow unless you get political. All kinds of people are gay/lesbian. People of every faith and political view.

[oldtimes]

Does not follow unless you get political. All kinds of people are gay/lesbian. People of every faith and political view.

Yes but they don’t all aggressively flaunt it and demand special attention. They live like normal human beings and are accepted as such. I have several friends who are gay and they behave no differently than my straight friends.

[Taltarzac725]

Yes but they don’t all aggressively flaunt it and demand special attention. They live like normal human beings and are accepted as such. I have several friends who are gay and they behave no differently than my straight friends.

Unless you go to a gay bar or gay/lesbian parade you will find very few people flaunting it. Pretty much no where in the Villages that I have seen.

What is the big deal with clothes for gay/lesbian people being sold by Target or whatever store? Or beer sellers supporting gay/lesbian rights.

[Taltarzac725]

No. A lot of love affairs having nothing to do with reproduction. Especially those involving lovers of the same sex. Thus, homosexuality in Ancient Greece or many other places.

As for ancient Greece women were not considered full citizens, pretty much property, slavery was never thought of as anything but natural

It is called progress. Better treatment of more people and the end of slavery in its various forms. And no gladiator contests fought by slaves.

Progress should involve fair treatment of gays/lesbians. Which includes them being able to buy clothes designed and marketed for them.

[manaboutown]

You should research homosexuality in Ancient Greece. It was the norm. And cross dressing is found in many cultures and not seen as aberrant.

Homosexuality in Ancient Greece?

Not so much between males similar in age, although as mentioned in prior posts pederasty was common. I do not think most Target customers would approve of that!

"According to the opinion of the classicist Kenneth Dover who published Greek Homosexuality in 1978, given the importance in Greek society of cultivating the masculinity of the adult male and the perceived feminizing effect of being the passive partner, relations between adult men of comparable social status were considered highly problematic, and usually associated with social stigma.[20] This stigma, however, was reserved for only the passive partner in the relationship."

Homosexuality in ancient Greece - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_ancient_Greece#:~:text=During%20t hese%20times%2C%20homosexuality%20was,and%2C%20in% 20fact%2C%20perverse).

[Caymus]

Homosexuality in Ancient Greece?

Not so much between males similar in age, although as mentioned in prior post pederasty was common. I do not think most Target customers would approve of that!

Homosexuality in ancient Greece - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_ancient_Greece#:~:text=During%20t hese%20times%2C%20homosexuality%20was,and%2C%20in% 20fact%2C%20perverse).

It appears that it only matters what Target's management thinks.

[oldtimes]

Unless you go to a gay bar or gay/lesbian parade you will find very few people flaunting it. Pretty much no where in the Villages that I have seen.

What is the big deal with clothes for gay/lesbian people being sold by Target or whatever store? Or beer sellers supporting gay/lesbian rights.

That falls under flaunting and demanding special treatment.

[Taltarzac725]

That falls under flaunting and demanding special treatment.

Hardly.

[jimbomaybe]

No. A lot of love affairs having nothing to do with reproduction. Especially those involving lovers of the same sex. Thus, homosexuality in Ancient Greece or many other places.

The REASON for those feeling are to foster reproduction as are the genetical imposed differences between male and female

[Stu from NYC]

You keep ignoring the Man/Boy aspect of ancient Greece homosexuality, which was the rule, not the exception...

Are you in favor of that? A simple yes or no will suffice...

What are the odds of getting a yes/no. Not good I think.

[oldtimes]

Btw, my guess is that most transgenders are not on board with all this in-your-face stuff. They probably feel like pawns, too. Their lives are difficult enough. Transgender people have been around for a very long time, but suddenly they have become useful in political pandering.

Boomer



:agree:

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

The REASON for those feeling are to foster reproduction as are the genetical imposed differences between male and female

So - here's some really cool info that you never learned:

There exist people in this world who are infertile. For whatever reason - a birth defect, injury, illness, drug/alcohol abuse, they are not capable of fertilizing an egg or carrying a child.

And yet - they are still capable of feeling romantic and even sexual love toward other people. Love has nothing, zilch, nada to do with reproduction. Most animals in the animal world don't care about love, when it's time to reproduce. Loving the person whose sperm/uterus is fertile for reproducing with them is awesome, but it's totally not necessary. Just ask any man with a low sperm count, whose wife gets pregnant from sperm harvested at a sperm bank.

[manaboutown]

Here is a video by Benny Johnson of what remains on display at a Target in Tampa.

Video: Disturbing Discovery Made Right Next to Kids Section at Target (https://www.westernjournal.com/video-disturbing-discovery-made-right-next-kids-section-target/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=conservativetribune&utm_content=2023-05-29&utm_campaign=manualpost&fbclid=IwAR0ZIrZQZ3d5wym-IqzP7j8OOS2Rp6iHHm73rasBD3WTiI5rFHqMBvGlB00)

[dewilson58]

Here is a video by Benny Johnson of what remains on display at a Target in Tampa.

Video: Disturbing Discovery Made Right Next to Kids Section at Target (https://www.westernjournal.com/video-disturbing-discovery-made-right-next-kids-section-target/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=conservativetribune&utm_content=2023-05-29&utm_campaign=manualpost&fbclid=IwAR0ZIrZQZ3d5wym-IqzP7j8OOS2Rp6iHHm73rasBD3WTiI5rFHqMBvGlB00)

The video speaks volumes about items focused at children.

One-zy, diary, naked pics on shirts, satan items, etc.

[Stu from NYC]

Here is a video by Benny Johnson of what remains on display at a Target in Tampa.

Video: Disturbing Discovery Made Right Next to Kids Section at Target (https://www.westernjournal.com/video-disturbing-discovery-made-right-next-kids-section-target/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=conservativetribune&utm_content=2023-05-29&utm_campaign=manualpost&fbclid=IwAR0ZIrZQZ3d5wym-IqzP7j8OOS2Rp6iHHm73rasBD3WTiI5rFHqMBvGlB00)

How anyone can see this and support what Target and others are doing is totally beyond me.

[dewilson58]

How anyone can see this and support what Target and others are doing is totally beyond me.

I'll get some popcorn and wait for some supportive posters.

:popcorn::popcorn::popcorn:

[Sorrento19]

They are not stupid.
Just ask yourself why they are doing this.
Connect the dots.

[Bill14564]

I'll get some popcorn and wait for some supportive posters.

:popcorn::popcorn::popcorn:

I didn’t watch the whole video so I didn’t see the satan items and not interested enough to go back.

One reason Target and others might be doing this is to try and prevent another generation with some of the attitudes displayed on this and the other thread.

“I don’t hate them, I just wish they didn’t exist. But since they do exist, I wish they would crawl back under a rock so I don’t have to acknowledge their right to breathe.” This is not the attitude we should want in future generations.

[Taltarzac725]

I didn’t watch the whole video so I didn’t see the satan items and not interested enough to go back.

One reason Target and others might be doing this is to try and prevent another generation with some of the attitudes displayed on this and the other thread.

“I don’t hate them, I just wish they didn’t exist. But since they do exist, I wish they would crawl back under a rock so I don’t have to acknowledge their right to breathe.” This is not the attitude we should want in future generations.

:coolsmiley::popcorn:


I had Thanksgiving with the Oakland Chorus back around 1984 while dating one of its members. She was an African -American who was part of the Oakland Chorus. We are the only straight people there but they seemed like very good and talented people. This is Oakland, CA. She was a fellow worker at Information Access Company which made a lot of indexing platforms for libraries. They also had various gay/lesbian workers.

[oldtimes]

I didn’t watch the whole video so I didn’t see the satan items and not interested enough to go back.

One reason Target and others might be doing this is to try and prevent another generation with some of the attitudes displayed on this and the other thread.

“I don’t hate them, I just wish they didn’t exist. But since they do exist, I wish they would crawl back under a rock so I don’t have to acknowledge their right to breathe.” This is not the attitude we should want in future generations.

And how is this going to help? This is just putting targets on children who are having a tough enough time right now because they can't even feel safe going to school. Teach them by example don't make them walking billboards.

[dewilson58]

“I don’t hate them, I just wish they didn’t exist. But since they do exist, I wish they would crawl back under a rock so I don’t have to acknowledge their right to breathe.” This is not the attitude we should want in future generations.

Hate is very rare..................the majority don't condone or support the sin or the sinners. The sinners need to get help, not pride.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

“This recasting of homosexuality as akin to pedophilia, alongside the widespread use of similar language, is meant to legitimize the response and crackdown by governments and institutions. If gay people are not successfully framed as predators, then extreme measures against them could be questioned. However, the violence that LGBTQ+ people experience in Africa has been justified by these anti-gay groups through the construction of a narrative of intent by ‘them’ to target children.”

That's what's going on in Uganda right now, because the alt-right AMERICANS evangelicals have interfered in THEIR politics and influenced the criminalization of being gay. A man having sex with his own adult male lover can now be sentenced to life in prison. A woman who checks into a hotel with her girlfriend, in the attempt to have sex with her, can be sentenced to 7 years in prison. A same-sex couple living together can be sentenced to death, if one of them has HIV.

That's what Americans have done to Uganda by way of direct interference and manipulation and yes - indoctrination of anti-gay agenda. It's what they want to do with the USA, but Uganda is a good place to start because they already consider multiple human rights violations, imposed upon them by their government, as normal and acceptable.

[Byte1]

:coolsmiley::popcorn:


I had Thanksgiving with the Oakland Chorus back around 1984 while dating one of its members. She was an African -American who was part of the Oakland Chorus. We are the only straight people there but they seemed like very good and talented people. This is Oakland, CA. She was a fellow worker at Information Access Company which made a lot of indexing platforms for libraries. They also had various gay/lesbian workers.

Did I miss something or were you inferring that the Oakland Chorus are transgender? That is the subject, no?

[Byte1]

“This recasting of homosexuality as akin to pedophilia, alongside the widespread use of similar language, is meant to legitimize the response and crackdown by governments and institutions. If gay people are not successfully framed as predators, then extreme measures against them could be questioned. However, the violence that LGBTQ+ people experience in Africa has been justified by these anti-gay groups through the construction of a narrative of intent by ‘them’ to target children.”

That's what's going on in Uganda right now, because the alt-right AMERICANS evangelicals have interfered in THEIR politics and influenced the criminalization of being gay. A man having sex with his own adult male lover can now be sentenced to life in prison. A woman who checks into a hotel with her girlfriend, in the attempt to have sex with her, can be sentenced to 7 years in prison. A same-sex couple living together can be sentenced to death, if one of them has HIV.

That's what Americans have done to Uganda by way of direct interference and manipulation and yes - indoctrination of anti-gay agenda. It's what they want to do with the USA, but Uganda is a good place to start because they already consider multiple human rights violations, imposed upon them by their government, as normal and acceptable.

So now we divert to Uganda as a metaphor for the US transgender issue?????

[Byte1]

The parents would have enough common sense and experience with intolerance not to make their kids targets while at school. They are well versed in the bigotry of 2023. Usually based on a misreading of The Bible as preached by far right loudmouths.

Interesting. Is it the "far right loudmouths" that push this gay and transgender issue on everyone, by every venue possible? Seriously? By the way, welcome back. Glad you decided not to run off, as you said you were in an earlier post. And, why does it have to be the "far right" as you insinuated? Are you making this political?

[dewilson58]

So now we divert to Uganda as a metaphor for the US transgender issue?????

I kno.

That had to be the funniest post of the day.

:oops:

[dewilson58]

North Face to Bud Lite

"Hold my beer"

So Bud Lite loses $110 million in sales and billions in stock value, Target drops a bomb on itself, and now North Face joins the fun.


E Rider

I need to commend you as a ToTV new poster.

Almost 15,000 views and over 200 posts on your thread.

Nice Splash Down!!!

:BigApplause: :BigApplause: :BigApplause:

[manaboutown]

This tune is doing well on the charts.'''Boycott Target''' rap climbs iTunes charts: '''Somebody has to stand up for the kids''' | Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/media/boycott-target-rap-climbs-itunes-charts-somebody-stand-kids)

Oh I so regret buying TGT about a year ago. Shareholders need to take action against the woke folk in management who have cost earnings, desecrated Target's public image, angered its customers into boycotting its merchandise and tanked the stock. It was and remains gross mismanagement.

[manaboutown]

This is an interesting development. I find it rather ho hum as some Harley riders are gay men and lesbians. Budweiser teams up with Harley Davidson for VERY manly ad after Bud Light backlash | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12128811/Budweiser-teams-Harley-Davidson-manly-ad-Bud-Light-backlash.html)

[Caymus]

I didn’t watch the whole video so I didn’t see the satan items and not interested enough to go back.

One reason Target and others might be doing this is to try and prevent another generation with some of the attitudes displayed on this and the other thread.

“I don’t hate them, I just wish they didn’t exist. But since they do exist, I wish they would crawl back under a rock so I don’t have to acknowledge their right to breathe.” This is not the attitude we should want in future generations.

...and who appointed Target to decide what is an allowed attitude?

[Byte1]

This is an interesting development. I find it rather ho hum as some Harley riders are gay men and lesbians. Budweiser teams up with Harley Davidson for VERY manly ad after Bud Light backlash | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12128811/Budweiser-teams-Harley-Davidson-manly-ad-Bud-Light-backlash.html)

I dare say that there are some VERY "manly" gay men bike operators as well as some very "manly" lesbian Harley operators. I doubt that cross dressing is an issue with Harley owners. Leather is leather.

[manaboutown]

Bikers can be rough and tumble people. This just happened in Red River, NM, a very nice town north of Taos. Fight over photograph sparks New Mexico biker brawl that leaves three dead and six injured (https://news.yahoo.com/fight-over-photograph-sparks-mexico-210725086.html)

[Byte1]

"One reason Target and others might be doing this is to try and prevent another generation with some of the attitudes displayed on this and the other thread. "

Yes, I am very sure that this is the case. .. :MOJE_whot::1rotfl:

[Byte1]

Bikers can be rough and tumble people. This just happened in Red River, NM, a very nice town north of Taos. Fight over photograph sparks New Mexico biker brawl that leaves three dead and six injured (https://news.yahoo.com/fight-over-photograph-sparks-mexico-210725086.html)

Boys will be boys. More fun to ride the bikes than to sit in a bar talking about them.

[dewilson58]

What is the probability HD riders are going to run (or ride) out and buy Bud with a HD logo on it.

:1rotfl::1rotfl:

[manaboutown]

What is the probability HD riders are going to run (or ride) out and buy Bud with a HD logo on it.

:1rotfl::1rotfl:

They can buy it at Target. When I googled Target to see if it sold beer the thumbnail pic that came up next to the Target link on the Google page was of a stack of Bud Light cans.

[Stu from NYC]

What is the probability HD riders are going to run (or ride) out and buy Bud with a HD logo on it.

:1rotfl::1rotfl:

I would take a bet the sun will not rise tomorrow before I think that Harley rides would buy that beer.

[Stu from NYC]

This tune is doing well on the charts.'''Boycott Target''' rap climbs iTunes charts: '''Somebody has to stand up for the kids''' | Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/media/boycott-target-rap-climbs-itunes-charts-somebody-stand-kids)

Oh I so regret buying TGT about a year ago. Shareholders need to take action against the woke folk in management who have cost earnings, desecrated Target's public image, angered its customers into boycotting its merchandise and tanked the stock. It was and remains gross mismanagement.

Hopefully that will happen. Cannot imagine large shareholders accepting a major loss in value by doing something so foolish.

[oldtimes]

The parents would have enough common sense and experience with intolerance not to make their kids targets while at school. They are well versed in the bigotry of 2023. Usually based on a misreading of The Bible as preached by far right loudmouths.

I know I should have quit this thread but I have to ask, where would the parents put the clothing on their kids and feel they won't be targeted by zealots?

[JMintzer]

It is called progress. Better treatment of more people and the end of slavery in its various forms. And no gladiator contests fought by slaves.

Progress should involve fair treatment of gays/lesbians. Which includes them being able to buy clothes designed and marketed for them.

You continue to ignore the "children" aspect, which is the crux of the argument...

And, if it's called "progress", why did you use the ancient Greeks as proof that man/boy relationships are "normal"?

[JMintzer]

So - here's some really cool info that you never learned:

There exist people in this world who are infertile. For whatever reason - a birth defect, injury, illness, drug/alcohol abuse, they are not capable of fertilizing an egg or carrying a child.

And yet - they are still capable of feeling romantic and even sexual love toward other people. Love has nothing, zilch, nada to do with reproduction. Most animals in the animal world don't care about love, when it's time to reproduce. Loving the person whose sperm/uterus is fertile for reproducing with them is awesome, but it's totally not necessary. Just ask any man with a low sperm count, whose wife gets pregnant from sperm harvested at a sperm bank.

And here's some really cool info that you must not have learned...

Most everything you mentioned is an abnormality...

[JMintzer]

:coolsmiley::popcorn:


I had Thanksgiving with the Oakland Chorus back around 1984 while dating one of its members. She was an African -American who was part of the Oakland Chorus. We are the only straight people there but they seemed like very good and talented people. This is Oakland, CA. She was a fellow worker at Information Access Company which made a lot of indexing platforms for libraries. They also had various gay/lesbian workers.

https://www.reactiongifs.com/r/2011/11/Dv5e5.gif

Completely irrelevant, but whatever...

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

...and who appointed Target to decide what is an allowed attitude?

Probably the same people who appointed you. No one needs to be appointed to decide what someone else is going to market, or not market. If you don't like it, don't buy the clothes, don't wear them. You get to decide. And they get to decide whether or not they'll sell them.

That's one of the great things about America, home of the Free Market, and commerce that isn't owned and operated by the government. That's what a Republic is all about. And being in the Free State of Florida, you should be especially appreciative of the fact that Target has the Freedom to sell these things - or lose money trying, or choosing not to sell them.

[Stu from NYC]

Probably the same people who appointed you. No one needs to be appointed to decide what someone else is going to market, or not market. If you don't like it, don't buy the clothes, don't wear them. You get to decide. And they get to decide whether or not they'll sell them.

That's one of the great things about America, home of the Free Market, and commerce that isn't owned and operated by the government. That's what a Republic is all about. And being in the Free State of Florida, you should be especially appreciative of the fact that Target has the Freedom to sell these things - or lose money trying, or choosing not to sell them.


The problem is we as parents have a duty to raise our children to be responsible adults and protect them from things that are bad on so many levels.

We normally buy a lot of things at Target not anymore.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

The problem is we as parents have a duty to raise our children to be responsible adults and protect them from things that are bad on so many levels.

We normally buy a lot of things at Target not anymore.

Do you keep them out of the kitchen to make sure they don't touch the stove? Do you keep them inside to make sure no one shoots them? Do you homeschool your children? Do you never allow them anywhere near plastic bags, to prevent them from accidentally suffocating after inhaling some of the plastic? Do you not allow them to ever eat peanuts, strawberries, or chocolate, to prevent ever having the risk of them being allergic?

I'd prefer to have children who are raised with knowledge and understanding and accepting that other people are different. And then when they become adults they can make their own informed choices. I would feel horrible for any child who is brought up not being exposed to "differences" and not being permitted to even consider tolerance toward other. That sounds like abuse to me. When they're out in the real world, assuming mommy and daddy allow them out of the house when they're adults and legally allowed to make their own decisions, they won't know what to do when something they're taught to hate ends up being their boss at work. They will have been taught to fear, and hate. That's very sad. Pathetic even.

[oldtimes]

Do you keep them out of the kitchen to make sure they don't touch the stove? Do you keep them inside to make sure no one shoots them? Do you homeschool your children? Do you never allow them anywhere near plastic bags, to prevent them from accidentally suffocating after inhaling some of the plastic? Do you not allow them to ever eat peanuts, strawberries, or chocolate, to prevent ever having the risk of them being allergic?

I'd prefer to have children who are raised with knowledge and understanding and accepting that other people are different. And then when they become adults they can make their own informed choices. I would feel horrible for any child who is brought up not being exposed to "differences" and not being permitted to even consider tolerance toward other. That sounds like abuse to me. When they're out in the real world, assuming mommy and daddy allow them out of the house when they're adults and legally allowed to make their own decisions, they won't know what to do when something they're taught to hate ends up being their boss at work. They will have been taught to fear, and hate. That's very sad. Pathetic even.

You very obviously don’t have kids

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

You very obviously don’t have kids

I WAS a kid. I'm qualified to know what kids need, having been one myself.

[Taltarzac725]

16 Common Logical Fallacies and How to Spot Them (https://blog.hubspot.com/marketing/common-logical-fallacies)

You will see these a lot here in Talk of the Villages. I may do one once in a while too.

[Woodbear]

Target deserves everything they are getting. They have donated $2.1 million to LGBTQ group that pushes school districts to allow children to secretly change gender. GLSEN is right up there with MBLA. Target gives annual donations to LGBTQ group that pushes woke policies on school districts | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12128229/Target-pushing-school-policies-allowing-children-secretly-transition.html)

[Bill14564]

...and who appointed Target to decide what is an allowed attitude?

The same individual that appointed you.