Bikes on the walking trail ?

[Goldengirl22]

Hi there, I am all about sharing the walking trails. But I was seriously startled this morning while walking my dog when a bike came up behind me. He blew past me, very close to me, and I couldn't help but think, what if I had moved over just a little bit, I would have walked right into his path, and we both would have been hurt.

Would it not be a good idea for a person coming up behind a walker to ring their bell? And if they don't have one on their bike, get one?

Just curious if other walkers have had this experience.

[Kenswing]

“Most” bikers in my experience will ring their bell or announce “On your right/left” as they pass. There are certainly the ones that don’t though.

[Marathon Man]

When I used to ride, if I announced myself to a walker as I approached them, they would often turn around to look at who was talking to them. And in doing so, would step to the side right in my path. I learned that saying nothing was safer for both myself and the walker. Sorry you were startled. Better than stepping in front of a moving bike and getting injured.

[dewilson58]

Walking with traffic or against traffic??

Biker on his/her side of the path ??

[GoPacers]

I'll admit, I am a bit confused. Walkers should be facing traffic coming at them so a bike coming up behind them would be on the opposite side of the path. That assumes everyone is following the rules...

I run on the multimodal paths frequently and would never expect a bike to let me know they were about to overtake me.

[Bill14564]

I'll admit, I am a bit confused. Walkers should be facing traffic coming at them so a bike coming up behind them would be on the opposite side of the path. That assumes everyone is following the rules...

I run on the multimodal paths frequently and would never expect a bike to let me know they were about to overtake me.

There is no motor vehicle traffic on a walking path so you walk to the right.

On the road or the MMP which have motor vehicle traffic you walk to the left. In that way, traffic on your side of the trail comes towards you while traffic overtaking you would be safely on the other side of the trail.

[tophcfa]

Hi there, I am all about sharing the walking trails. But I was seriously startled this morning while walking my dog when a bike came up behind me. He blew past me, very close to me, and I couldn't help but think, what if I had moved over just a little bit, I would have walked right into his path, and we both would have been hurt.

Would it not be a good idea for a person coming up behind a walker to ring their bell? And if they don't have one on their bike, get one?

Just curious if other walkers have had this experience.

They are not walking trails, they are called pathways and are shared by both walkers (who can bring along their leashed dog) and bikes. Proper etiquette is for walkers to walk single file on the left side of the trail so they can see oncoming bike traffic and for bikers to stay on the right and ride single file. Walkers with dogs need to keep them on a short, non-flexible leash, so they can not wander in front of a bike. If everyone followed proper etiquette, and did not think the pathway was dedicated solely to them, there shouldn’t be any issues.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

I'll admit, I am a bit confused. Walkers should be facing traffic coming at them so a bike coming up behind them would be on the opposite side of the path. That assumes everyone is following the rules...

I run on the multimodal paths frequently and would never expect a bike to let me know they were about to overtake me.

Walkers on a WALKING trail will walk on the right side of the road. They ARE the traffic, they are facing exactly the direction they should be facing, on a walking trail.

[tophcfa]

Walkers on a WALKING trail will walk on the right side of the road. They ARE the traffic, they are facing exactly the direction they should be facing, on a walking trail.

True, but if it really was a walking trail bikes wouldn’t be allowed. I believe the OP is referring to what are called pathways, which are a new thing south of 44 and are shared by both bikes and walkers. These are NOT walking trails. The new Black Lake walking trail that begins at the Lake Miona Recreation Center would be a true walking trail, except that dogs are not allowed so many Villagers won’t ever use it.

[Marathon Man]

Walkers on a WALKING trail will walk on the right side of the road. They ARE the traffic, they are facing exactly the direction they should be facing, on a walking trail.

They are not WALKING trails. Bikes use them also. Using caps doesn't change it.

[Maker]

When I used to ride, if I announced myself to a walker as I approached them, they would often turn around to look at who was talking to them. And in doing so, would step to the side right in my path. I learned that saying nothing was safer for both myself and the walker. Sorry you were startled. Better than stepping in front of a moving bike and getting injured.

Expecting to silently zip past is dangerous, unsafe, and reckless. That's a problem.
If ringing your bike bell startles someone, and causes a movement that places both people in a collision situation, you need to change your style. Ring the bell several times, starting a lot further away. Give walkers time to react and be in a safe spot. Give yourself time to slow down or stop.

A bike rider who fails to warn a pedestrian, and then collides with them causing injuries, will find themselves on the receiving end of a huge lawsuit.
In court, which defense is better... I rang my bell several times and that person looked right at me and saw me coming. I slowed almost to a stop because their dog was jumping in the way. Their dog pulled them to the ground and I stopped before any contact was made with them. (OR) I think it's safer to give pedestrians no warning. I ride so fast that they never know I was coming. This time, I never expected them to move when their dog wandered to the left. I had no time to react and I'm so sorry. They should have stayed in their lane and the dog is at fault.

[charlie1]

True, but if it really was a walking trail bikes wouldn’t be allowed. I believe the OP is referring to what are called pathways, which are a new thing south of 44 and are shared by both bikes and walkers. These are NOT walking trails. The new Black Lake walking trail that begins at the Lake Miona Recreation Center would be a true walking trail, except that dogs are not allowed so many Villagers won’t ever use it.
I agree but the rules are that you walk against traffic where motor vehicles are allowed and on the right side on paths where they are not allowed. The problem now is e-bikes have motors and they also go quite fast (I was passed in my cart going 21mph the other day by an e-bike.) Anyway, I feel the best would be some courtesy on everyone's part. Keep you dogs on a short leash, walk on one side (not down the middle), use only one earbud for you music/phone, and always announce when you approach someone from behind. I personally like an announcement when people are passing on the left/right as I do not always hear the bell.

[Joeint]

Bike riders can do whatever they want, walking paths, roads, highways it doesn't matter all others must clear out of their way!!!

[n8xwb]

Walkers on a WALKING trail will walk on the right side of the road. They ARE the traffic, they are facing exactly the direction they should be facing, on a walking trail.

Just what "walking trails" are we addressing?

I am not familiar with said trails south if 466a. The one "walking" trail I know of -- beginning near Lake Miona Rec center is not dog friendly.

Seems to me bicycles should not be on "walking" trails.

[dhdallas]

Hi there, I am all about sharing the walking trails. But I was seriously startled this morning while walking my dog when a bike came up behind me. He blew past me, very close to me, and I couldn't help but think, what if I had moved over just a little bit, I would have walked right into his path, and we both would have been hurt.

Would it not be a good idea for a person coming up behind a walker to ring their bell? And if they don't have one on their bike, get one?

Just curious if other walkers have had this experience.

I apologize for the jerk who did not warn you. There is always that one person who ruins it for the rest of us. I always slow down, ring my bell or shout a warning. I might add that many walkers have ear buds or headphones on so they never hear my warnings. If you are wearing ear phones, I suggest always walking on the left side facing traffic.

[JohnN]

so now you need to know if you're on a pathway, walking trail, multi-modal , etc. and walk down different sides, accordingly? the different trails are not uniformly labeled and half the people don't obey anyway.

I think I'd walk to the left always. If it's a walking trail, no big deal.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Just what "walking trails" are we addressing?

I am not familiar with said trails south if 466a. The one "walking" trail I know of -- beginning near Lake Miona Rec center is not dog friendly.

Seems to me bicycles should not be on "walking" trails.

There are walking trails at Paradise Park. They're not long, but they are walking trails.

[Velvet]

Expecting to silently zip past is dangerous, unsafe, and reckless. That's a problem.
If ringing your bike bell startles someone, and causes a movement that places both people in a collision situation, you need to change your style. Ring the bell several times, starting a lot further away. Give walkers time to react and be in a safe spot. Give yourself time to slow down or stop.

A bike rider who fails to warn a pedestrian, and then collides with them causing injuries, will find themselves on the receiving end of a huge lawsuit.
In court, which defense is better... I rang my bell several times and that person looked right at me and saw me coming. I slowed almost to a stop because their dog was jumping in the way. Their dog pulled them to the ground and I stopped before any contact was made with them. (OR) I think it's safer to give pedestrians no warning. I ride so fast that they never know I was coming. This time, I never expected them to move when their dog wandered to the left. I had no time to react and I'm so sorry. They should have stayed in their lane and the dog is at fault.

When I ride anything two wheels I know that dogs don’t like it. I stay well away from them. It is next to I possible to get a dog used to being startled.

[Goldengirl22]

Walking with traffic or against traffic??

Biker on his/her side of the path ??


It was a walking trail / no traffic - we were both moving in the same direction.

He seemed very close to me, too close for my comfort tbh. I just thought - wow if my dog had startled or I had moved out the tinest bit - there would have been a collision.

I did not know he was there until he passed me.

[Goldengirl22]

I'll admit, I am a bit confused. Walkers should be facing traffic coming at them so a bike coming up behind them would be on the opposite side of the path. That assumes everyone is following the rules...

I run on the multimodal paths frequently and would never expect a bike to let me know they were about to overtake me.

Well in my case this biker was traveling in the same direction as me. If he was coming at me so I could see him there would not have been a problem.

[Goldengirl22]

When I used to ride, if I announced myself to a walker as I approached them, they would often turn around to look at who was talking to them. And in doing so, would step to the side right in my path. I learned that saying nothing was safer for both myself and the walker. Sorry you were startled. Better than stepping in front of a moving bike and getting injured.

yup, it would have been bad for both of us.

[Goldengirl22]

There is no motor vehicle traffic on a walking path so you walk to the right.

On the road or the MMP which have motor vehicle traffic you walk to the left. In that way, traffic on your side of the trail comes towards you while traffic overtaking you would be safely on the other side of the trail.

We were both over to the right-hand side, me the walker and he the biker.

[Goldengirl22]

True, but if it really was a walking trail bikes wouldn’t be allowed. I believe the OP is referring to what are called pathways, which are a new thing south of 44 and are shared by both bikes and walkers. These are NOT walking trails. The new Black Lake walking trail that begins at the Lake Miona Recreation Center would be a true walking trail, except that dogs are not allowed so many Villagers won’t ever use it.

Correct this is South of 44 -

[ohioshooter]

As a walker, biker, and cart driver I see stupid stuff almost every day. You can’t cure stupid, it just takes a little common sense.

[JMintzer]

There is no motor vehicle traffic on a walking path so you walk to the right.

Only if you want to get creamed by a bicycle coming up behind you...

[JMintzer]

We were both over to the right-hand side, me the walker and he the biker.

Don't listen to him. Bicycles share that path and you want to be facing them (walking on the left) as they come towards you...

[Kenswing]

Our lanai faces a walking path. I drink my coffee out there almost every morning and watch all of those way too energetic people walk by. I’d say according to my non-scientific observation that roughly 90% of foot traffic is on the right hand side of the path. And most cyclists honk, beep, ring or call out as they pass. Haven’t seen any collisions yet.

[kansasr]

If you choose to walk in the same direction as traffic, rather than facing it, expect to be surprised by things you can’t see.

[capdad613Aa]

Maybe a better solution is for you/bikers to not be on a walking trail.

[buster21]

While walking, I appreciate so much when people let me know well in advance that they are approaching behind me. I always say thanks. I am very careful on ALL paths/ trails because I do not want to get injured. I walk @ 6AM to beat the crowd.

[PersonOfInterest]

Someone needs to invent a warning beeper that could be fit on all bicycles. It should continuously beep so it could be heard by those being approached. A beep like the back up beeper on a golf cart would do the trick.

[Nell57]

Well this discussion has been totally confusing.
Walk on the right, the way you should. Walk on the left, facing traffic.
What about the guy walking the other way on the path, toward you? Where do you want him to walk?

[seecapecod]

There is no motor vehicle traffic on a walking path so you walk to the right.

On the road or the MMP which have motor vehicle traffic you walk to the left. In that way, traffic on your side of the trail comes towards you while traffic overtaking you would be safely on the other side of the trail.

I observe the same “walk against traffic” on the MMP as I do walking on a street. There are drivers in Carts I want to have eyes on!

[Donaz1]

The only true walking path that I know is in TV is the new one at Lake Miona. Black lake trail. Bikes are not allowed as it is too narrow. The HogsEye path at Edna’s is narrow for the first mile so one definitely needs to watch out for bikers.

[Gunny2403]

It’s not uncommon. Many bikers are courteous but others just don’t care. I usually yell: how about a warning. They don’t respond but I’m hopeful they will consider giving a warning next time. In Pittsburgh, it is common to hear: “ passing on the left”.

[Gunny2403]

Your so wrong

[wawriwwawriw]

YES, I don’t understand why they don’t alert you by voice, horn, ring bell. I was hit once in my elbow, the biker didn’t stopped. Year later that elbow at times heart. Reaso way I now walk facing incoming vehicles(bikes/ Gulfcart).

[Normal]

Bells and announcements don’t work for the large group that need hearing aids..lol. I relate the “walking paths” to traffic circles and use the general rule of “be aware of your surroundings “. Leashes can reach across these smaller paths so be careful. I ’can’t really imagine a biker’s pedal being wrapped around an active leash having a very good outcome.

[JwizChick]

What about sidewalks? I’ve seen bicyclists on them. Should walkers walk on the right or left?

A simple “On your left” works better than a bell in every situation. Then you know on which side the bicyclist will be passing. A bell simply tells you there is a bicycle (or whatever) approaching.

[srswans]

Well this discussion has been totally confusing.
Walk on the right, the way you should. Walk on the left, facing traffic.
What about the guy walking the other way on the path, toward you? Where do you want him to walk?

LOL - no kidding.

Walk on the right on pathways.

It is dangerous to walk on the left around blind corners.

When biking, I see half of the walkers on the left and half on the right - never gonna get everyone doing the same thing. Be careful out there.!

[WingedFoot78]

Require all bikes to use playing cards attached to the bike frame with clothes pins & touching the spokes.

[srswans]

Hi there, I am all about sharing the walking trails. But I was seriously startled this morning while walking my dog when a bike came up behind me. He blew past me, very close to me,…

Sorry this happened to you - it has happened to me too.

Yes, cyclists should ring a bell and announce when passing.

Also, walkers need to pay attention and never step to the other side of a pathway without looking first. This is especially true if the walker is listening to music or taking a call. Head on a swivel.

[rsmurano]

On every path here in TV, except the true walking path at Lake Miona, walkers should always walk against traffic. Why would any walker want to be startled?
Also, if you think you can get sued for hitting someone because he didn’t ring a bell or say something, the biker can always say that they yelled on your left/right so the Walker will have to prove the biker never yelled something

[srswans]

Someone needs to invent a warning beeper that could be fit on all bicycles. It should continuously beep so it could be heard by those being approached. A beep like the back up beeper on a golf cart would do the trick.

OMG - this would be horrible - constant beeping would drive me crazy - I hate the backup beepers on carts.

All the noise would ruin the serenity of a walk.

And annoy everyone living along a pathway.

[smcmahon2002]

When riding I always give an "on you left" warning. And very much appreciate it when the walker gives some sort of indication they heard it. A quick raise of the hand is perfect. You never know if someone has earbuds in or hearing challenges. I don't want to startle anyone or worse yet collide.

[Laker14]

Regardless of what the rules are, I'd walk facing traffic so I can see bicycles and e-bikes coming at me. Some rules are just too stupid to follow, and the rule that says I should let e-bikes and regular bikes approach me from behind, unseen and unheard, is one of those rules.

[Ptmckiou]

Most walkers on trails that I’ve experienced, walk on the opposite side (their left side). That way never surprised if a bike is coming. I do bike a lot.

[Federspiel]

Did you have earbuds or earphones on?
I am an avid biker. I always announce passing left. Most of the time they don't hear because they are engaged with their phone. Often, walkers like to walk in the middle of the trail. Mature bikers will normally announce they are passing. There are discourteous walkers and bikers.

[Normal]

The problem with these bicycle walking trails is there at times isn’t much of a side. What I mean is they are almost too small for a golf cart, let alone the right side left side rationale. It’s easy for a walker to be on the wrong side. It’s also highly likely that two dog owners will stop and carry on conversation coming from opposite directions which leaves zero room for a bicyclist to zoom on by. A standard leash certainly can extend from side to side on the paths. Add continuous bends and twists and there is certainly room for accidents to happen. Always be as careful as you can.

[waterflower]

There should be safe pathways for people to walk, and pathways for bikes to ride. Caculated Controlles Chaos.

[DrHitch]

IWalkers should be facing traffic coming at them so a bike coming up behind them would be on the opposite side of the path.

I run on the multimodal paths frequently


1) Multimodal paths are NOT roadways. Walk, run, bicycle on the right-hand side of path.

2) When overtaking anybody, pull left (assuming no oncoming person, cart, bicycle) and give audible notice (voice, bell, horn tap)

Oh, and glance behind you from time to time to see if anyone is approaching

[SusanStCatherine]

I am shocked when a bicyclist speeds by extremely close to me at a very fast pace with no warning whatsoever. Inconsiderate!

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Regardless of what the rules are, I'd walk facing traffic so I can see bicycles and e-bikes coming at me. Some rules are just too stupid to follow, and the rule that says I should let e-bikes and regular bikes approach me from behind, unseen and unheard, is one of those rules.

So the rules won't apply to you, if you decide that the rules are stupid. Be sure to let the ambulance driver and police know this, next time you're involved in an accident where you did something that was against a rule that you thought was stupid.

[airstreamingypsy]

Blowing by someone walking a dog, is really stupid, because the dog is on a leash and could move out in front of the bike, which could be deadly for the dog and the bike rider.....

[Rolson08]

I can't believe we even have to have this conversation. I have ridden a bicycle on paths all over the United States and it is a common practice to advise others, (walkers, joggers, even other bicyclists) of the intent to pass, by whatever means necessary. Many trails actually have notices posted to make your presence known when passing. To avoid someone stepping into your path, announce your presence early enough to make sure a collision can be avoided. The ones that get me are those wearing ear buds that wouldn't hear a freight train approaching!

[kendi]

Best to expect the unexpected when on the trails. I try to remember to look behind me before moving from my current position. But I do agree with you that it is certainly safer when a biker announces their approach. Have to say though even though I usually announce that I’m coming up behind them, I’m guilty of not always doing so but I do move way over to the other side when I don’t. Will work on making it an every time habit.

[kendi]

I can't believe we even have to have this conversation. I have ridden a bicycle on paths all over the United States and it is a common practice to advise others, (walkers, joggers, even other bicyclists) of the intent to pass, by whatever means necessary. Many trails actually have notices posted to make your presence known when passing. To avoid someone stepping into your path, announce your presence early enough to make sure a collision can be avoided. The ones that get me are those wearing ear buds that wouldn't hear a freight train approaching!

Believe it. Not everyone has your experience and/or sense of awareness.

[kendi]

The problem with these bicycle walking trails is there at times isn’t much of a side. What I mean is they are almost too small for a golf cart, let alone the right side left side rationale. It’s easy for a walker to be on the wrong side. It’s also highly likely that two dog owners will stop and carry on conversation coming from opposite directions which leaves zero room for a bicyclist to zoom on by. A standard leash certainly can extend from side to side on the paths. Add continuous bends and twists and there is certainly room for accidents to happen. Always be as careful as you can.

Trails are wide in our area.

[kendi]

Regardless of what the rules are, I'd walk facing traffic so I can see bicycles and e-bikes coming at me. Some rules are just too stupid to follow, and the rule that says I should let e-bikes and regular bikes approach me from behind, unseen and unheard, is one of those rules.

So you’re that person walking on the opposite side of all the other walkers. Are you also the one who forces them to move into the path of oncoming traffic or bikes coming from behind to get around you?

[MandoMan]

They are not walking trails, they are called pathways and are shared by both walkers (who can bring along their leashed dog) and bikes. Proper etiquette is for walkers to walk single file on the left side of the trail so they can see oncoming bike traffic and for bikers to stay on the right and ride single file. Walkers with dogs need to keep them on a short, non-flexible leash, so they can not wander in front of a bike. If everyone followed proper etiquette, and did not think the pathway was dedicated solely to them, there shouldn’t be any issues.

The new walking path that starts from Lake Miona Rec Center does not allow bicycles. But it also does not allow dogs. Is that the one where this person was walking? As for the Multi Modal Pathways, people can walk there, but they aren’t walking trails, and you are right.

[PurePeach]

They are not walking trails, they are called pathways and are shared by both walkers (who can bring along their leashed dog) and bikes. Proper etiquette is for walkers to walk single file on the left side of the trail so they can see oncoming bike traffic and for bikers to stay on the right and ride single file. Walkers with dogs need to keep them on a short, non-flexible leash, so they can not wander in front of a bike. If everyone followed proper etiquette, and did not think the pathway was dedicated solely to them, there shouldn’t be any issues.

Did you mean a retractable leash that allows extension? I’ve never seen a non-flexible leash - that would mean walking the dog at the end of a “stick”! :loco:

[cjrjck]

I think technically that if it is a bike and walking path only you are supposed to walk on the right side. At least that is what a number of bike related web sites state. On an MMP that has golf cart traffic, you would walk on the left. Personally, around TV, you never know what might be coming down the path so I would walk on the left. I've seen maintenance and contractor trucks using many MMPs and pathways.

[justjim]

There seems to be a lot of confusion as to which side of the path/trail to walk on or bike on. Solution: seems simple enough- signs to regulate the confusion.

[TerryCamlin]

You must be south of 44 because you folks simply do not understand if you walk against traffic you will always see what is coming at you. Many times I say on your left and the walker has ear buds on and does not hear me anyway. In my neighborhood anyway yes North of 44 all walkers go against traffic. It is not that hard to do and all of your problems will be gone. Maybe tell your neighbors too. Us bikers are not going away. It is not just a walking trail so get over that right away. I mentioned this to the people at Ezell about maybe putting up signs asking walkers to walk on the opposite side but like the rest of the recommendations I have made for the safety of our community it falls on deaf ears. Good luck.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

I can't believe we even have to have this conversation. I have ridden a bicycle on paths all over the United States and it is a common practice to advise others, (walkers, joggers, even other bicyclists) of the intent to pass, by whatever means necessary. Many trails actually have notices posted to make your presence known when passing. To avoid someone stepping into your path, announce your presence early enough to make sure a collision can be avoided. The ones that get me are those wearing ear buds that wouldn't hear a freight train approaching!

When I was a kid, we were all taught to use our bell if we had one, NOT a horn if we had one (because that can be too startling, which is dangerous), and call out "on your left!" if we didn't have a bell.

The horn was in case there was actual danger (not just a "heads up), or a car in front of us stopped at the light, the light turned green, and they were just sitting there not trying to go.

[toeser]

Hi there, I am all about sharing the walking trails. But I was seriously startled this morning while walking my dog when a bike came up behind me. He blew past me, very close to me, and I couldn't help but think, what if I had moved over just a little bit, I would have walked right into his path, and we both would have been hurt.

Would it not be a good idea for a person coming up behind a walker to ring their bell? And if they don't have one on their bike, get one?

Just curious if other walkers have had this experience.

This bike rider was a jerk and gives all of us a bad name. Based upon my experience, the worst ones seem to be those who ride road bikes wearing all of their bicycle gear. They seem to have some kind of entitlement thing going on. Of course, I don't mean all of them.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

You must be south of 44 because you folks simply do not understand if you walk against traffic you will always see what is coming at you. Many times I say on your left and the walker has ear buds on and does not hear me anyway. In my neighborhood anyway yes North of 44 all walkers go against traffic. It is not that hard to do and all of your problems will be gone. Maybe tell your neighbors too. Us bikers are not going away. It is not just a walking trail so get over that right away. I mentioned this to the people at Ezell about maybe putting up signs asking walkers to walk on the opposite side but like the rest of the recommendations I have made for the safety of our community it falls on deaf ears. Good luck.

They are referring to walking trails, where there is NO vehicular traffic at all. No golf carts, no cars. On walking trails, pedestrians -are- the traffic. You can't walk against yourself. The pedestrian has the right of way, and bikes need to take extra caution when passing them.

If everyone did what they were supposed to do, there'd be no problem. On a walking trail, everyone is on the right. There is no "against traffic." Bike riders call out or use a bell to alert pedestrians that they're about to pass, and dog-walkers keep their dog properly heeled on a short leash.

[Laker14]

So the rules won't apply to you, if you decide that the rules are stupid. Be sure to let the ambulance driver and police know this, next time you're involved in an accident where you did something that was against a rule that you thought was stupid.

and you be sure, after you've been creamed from behind by a bike or e-bike you neither heard, nor saw, to let the paramedics know you were obeying the rules. That will make your broken bones heal much faster.

[Normal]

In our community rules seem to mean nothing. Just ask the golf cart riders in automobile traffic circles.

[jimkerr]

Hi there, I am all about sharing the walking trails. But I was seriously startled this morning while walking my dog when a bike came up behind me. He blew past me, very close to me, and I couldn't help but think, what if I had moved over just a little bit, I would have walked right into his path, and we both would have been hurt.

Would it not be a good idea for a person coming up behind a walker to ring their bell? And if they don't have one on their bike, get one?

Just curious if other walkers have had this experience.

You were walking the wrong way then. You are supposed to walk against traffic so you would have seen him coming.

[Laker14]

In our community rules seem to mean nothing. Just ask the golf cart riders in automobile traffic circles.

Do you see that often? I saw it once. I don't think it was a case of ignoring rules as much as being somewhat confused.

as far as the rule about walking with bike and e-bike traffic, I have never heard a good reason for doing that, as opposed to facing the traffic as one would in a street or MMP.

Other than "it's a rule"...I value my health more than I value the blue ribbons they give out to people who never break rules because they believe rules are sacred.

[Normal]

Do you see that often? I saw it once. I don't think it was a case of ignoring rules as much as being somewhat confused.

as far as the rule about walking with bike and e-bike traffic, I have never heard a good reason for doing that, as opposed to facing the traffic as one would in a street or MMP.

Other than "it's a rule"...I value my health more than I value the blue ribbons they give out to people who never break rules because they believe rules are sacred.

Three times this spring. The one most memorable was a cart traveling opposite of traffic flow next to the Mallory gate.

[roob1]

Regardless of the side you walk on, you will not see traffic approaching from behind.

You must be south of 44 because you folks simply do not understand if you walk against traffic you will always see what is coming at you. Many times I say on your left and the walker has ear buds on and does not hear me anyway. In my neighborhood anyway yes North of 44 all walkers go against traffic. It is not that hard to do and all of your problems will be gone. Maybe tell your neighbors too. Us bikers are not going away. It is not just a walking trail so get over that right away. I mentioned this to the people at Ezell about maybe putting up signs asking walkers to walk on the opposite side but like the rest of the recommendations I have made for the safety of our community it falls on deaf ears. Good luck.

[roob1]

The biker came from behind...did you not read that?


You were walking the wrong way then. You are supposed to walk against traffic so you would have seen him coming.

[ohioshooter]

The biker came from behind...did you not read that?

I guess you are supposed to have eyes in the back of your head. No matter what side of the path you walk on there will be traffic coming from behind. My opinion, and I won’t change my mind, walk on the right like you are supposed to.

[Laker14]

Three times this spring. The one most memorable was a cart traveling opposite of traffic flow next to the Mallory gate.

The one I saw was the circle by Sea Breeze. She, too, was going the wrong way.

I was sure I was going to see a fatal encounter, however, the cars all managed to stop before hitting her.

[tophcfa]

Did you mean a retractable leash that allows extension? I’ve never seen a non-flexible leash - that would mean walking the dog at the end of a “stick”! :loco:

Yes

[JMintzer]

Maybe a better solution is for you/bikers to not be on a walking trail.

Well, the OP isn't talking about a "walking trail", so there's that...

[JMintzer]

Well this discussion has been totally confusing.
Walk on the right, the way you should. Walk on the left, facing traffic.
What about the guy walking the other way on the path, toward you? Where do you want him to walk?

On the left side of the path... Facing traffic...

[JMintzer]

Regardless of what the rules are, I'd walk facing traffic so I can see bicycles and e-bikes coming at me. Some rules are just too stupid to follow, and the rule that says I should let e-bikes and regular bikes approach me from behind, unseen and unheard, is one of those rules.

Good thing there is no such rule...

[JMintzer]

1) Multimodal paths are NOT roadways. Walk, run, bicycle on the right-hand side of path.

2) When overtaking anybody, pull left (assuming no oncoming person, cart, bicycle) and give audible notice (voice, bell, horn tap)

Oh, and glance behind you from time to time to see if anyone is approaching

And don't be surprised when someone hits you from behind...

[JMintzer]

So you’re that person walking on the opposite side of all the other walkers. Are you also the one who forces them to move into the path of oncoming traffic or bikes coming from behind to get around you?

Yes, he's the person who is trying his best to be safe on the paths...

[JMintzer]

Blowing by someone walking a dog, is really stupid, because the dog is on a leash and could move out in front of the bike, which could be deadly for the dog and the bike rider.....

Not if you keep your dog in a short leash, to the outside of the path...

[JMintzer]

They are referring to walking trails, where there is NO vehicular traffic at all. No golf carts, no cars. On walking trails, pedestrians -are- the traffic. You can't walk against yourself. The pedestrian has the right of way, and bikes need to take extra caution when passing them.

If everyone did what they were supposed to do, there'd be no problem. On a walking trail, everyone is on the right. There is no "against traffic." Bike riders call out or use a bell to alert pedestrians that they're about to pass, and dog-walkers keep their dog properly heeled on a short leash.

Then don't complain when you're hit from behind...

[JMintzer]

and you be sure, after you've been creamed from behind by a bike or e-bike you neither heard, nor saw, to let the paramedics know you were obeying the rules. That will make your broken bones heal much faster.

Beat me to it...

[JMintzer]

In our community rules seem to mean nothing. Just ask the golf cart riders in automobile traffic circles.

How often does that actually happen?

When it does, it's usually a newcomer or renter who made a mistake...

I almost did it when I first rented a cart. Luckily, I realized my mistake before I entered the circle and I was able to hop the curb and get back to the MMP...

[JMintzer]

The biker came from behind...did you not read that?

Because the walker wasn't waking on the left, facing traffic...

[JMintzer]

I guess you are supposed to have eyes in the back of your head. No matter what side of the path you walk on there will be traffic coming from behind. My opinion, and I won’t change my mind, walk on the right like you are supposed to.

And if the had been walking, facing traffic, they would have seen the biker...

But sure. Don't change your mind... When you're it be someone coming up behind you, at least you'll know you didn't change your mind...

[ohioshooter]

Blah blah blah. I’m done.

[Kenswing]

You would think by reading this thread that by walking on the right side of the path the emergency room would be full with pedestrians that have been mutilated my killer cyclists. But just like the long dead alligator attack thread, it just ain’t happening.

Just another thread to have something to argue about.

[JMintzer]

You would think by reading this thread that by walking on the right side of the path the emergency room would be full with pedestrians that have been mutilated my killer cyclists. But just like the long dead alligator attack thread, it just ain’t happening.

Just another thread to have something to argue about.

The OP started this thread by stating she was almost clipped while walking along the right side.

My wife WAS hit by a cyclist while walking along the right side.

She doesn't do that anymore...

[Laker14]

So you’re that person walking on the opposite side of all the other walkers. Are you also the one who forces them to move into the path of oncoming traffic or bikes coming from behind to get around you?

No, I'm the one diving headfirst into the bramble on the side of the path to avoid the high speed collisions with the oncoming walker.

[russtcc]

If you choose to walk with any type of traffic with wheels coming behind you, congratulations. You have automatic entry for the Darwin awards given every year. I was taken out from behind one time. After my time in the emergency room and receiving stiches I learned my lesson. E-bikes and E-scooters are now on the paths.

I can't understand why any one would take the chance of not seeing what's coming at you. But I see it every day.

[Southwest737]

This dead horse has been pulverized. Stop the madness. The easiest rule to remember is SEE AND BE SEEN.

[Laker14]

If you choose to walk with any type of traffic with wheels coming behind you, congratulations. You have automatic entry for the Darwin awards given every year. I was taken out from behind one time. After my time in the emergency room and receiving stiches I learned my lesson. E-bikes and E-scooters are now on the paths.

I can't understand why any one would take the chance of not seeing what's coming at you. But I see it every day.

A few stitches seems like a small price to pay for righteousness of knowing you were obeying the rules.
(that was sarcasm, BTW)

[rmbish]

Hi there, I am all about sharing the walking trails. But I was seriously startled this morning while walking my dog when a bike came up behind me. He blew past me, very close to me, and I couldn't help but think, what if I had moved over just a little bit, I would have walked right into his path, and we both would have been hurt.

Would it not be a good idea for a person coming up behind a walker to ring their bell? And if they don't have one on their bike, get one?

Just curious if other walkers have had this experience.

That’s why walkers should be walking into traffic and bikes should be on the same side as golf carts.

[mraines]

Hi there, I am all about sharing the walking trails. But I was seriously startled this morning while walking my dog when a bike came up behind me. He blew past me, very close to me, and I couldn't help but think, what if I had moved over just a little bit, I would have walked right into his path, and we both would have been hurt.

Would it not be a good idea for a person coming up behind a walker to ring their bell? And if they don't have one on their bike, get one?

Just curious if other walkers have had this experience.
Were you on a walking trail or multi modal path? I'm not aware of walking trails that allow bikes and if it was a multi modal path, you should be walking facing traffic.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

You were walking the wrong way then. You are supposed to walk against traffic so you would have seen him coming.

If you are on anything -other- than a walking trail, where there is vehicular traffic, and it is a two-way path, then you're correct. You walk against traffic.

When the traffic is, by definition, pedestrian traffic because motor vehicles are not permitted on it, then no, you are incorrect.

In addition, if you live on a one-way street and need to take a RIGHT out of your driveway for whatever reason, then you can walk on either side, it doesn't matter, because no matter which side you walk on, you will be walking WITH the flow of traffic and not against it.

[Laker14]

If you are on anything -other- than a walking trail, where there is vehicular traffic, and it is a two-way path, then you're correct. You walk against traffic.

When the traffic is, by definition, pedestrian traffic because motor vehicles are not permitted on it, then no, you are incorrect.

In addition, if you live on a one-way street and need to take a RIGHT out of your driveway for whatever reason, then you can walk on either side, it doesn't matter, because no matter which side you walk on, you will be walking WITH the flow of traffic and not against it.

Wouldn't it be safer for a pedestrian to see bicycles and e-bikes coming at them, rather than not see them?

[PugMom]

Maybe a better solution is for you/bikers to not be on a walking trail.

but it's much safer for them instead of being on the road in traffic

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Wouldn't it be safer for a pedestrian to see bicycles and e-bikes coming at them, rather than not see them?

It'd be safer for pedestrians to ride bicycles instead of walking. It'd be safer for bicycle riders to be in golf carts instead of on bikes. It'd be safer if bikes weren't allowed on pedestrian trails. It'd be safer if golf carts weren't allowed on mmps.

It'd be safer for all pedestrians to not walk where anyone coming toward them would have the sun in their eyes, such as at dusk. It'd be safer for pedestrians to wear a day-glo reflective safety vest and blinker arm-bands, and helmets, and knee pads.

A lot of things would be safer, if people did things other than what they currently do.

But on WALKING TRAILS, pedestrians ARE the traffic, and can't walk against themselves.

[Laker14]

It'd be safer for pedestrians to ride bicycles instead of walking. It'd be safer for bicycle riders to be in golf carts instead of on bikes. It'd be safer if bikes weren't allowed on pedestrian trails. It'd be safer if golf carts weren't allowed on mmps.

It'd be safer for all pedestrians to not walk where anyone coming toward them would have the sun in their eyes, such as at dusk. It'd be safer for pedestrians to wear a day-glo reflective safety vest and blinker arm-bands, and helmets, and knee pads.

A lot of things would be safer, if people did things other than what they currently do.

But on WALKING TRAILS, pedestrians ARE the traffic, and can't walk against themselves.

wait a minute. This whole thread started about trails with pedestrians and bikes. When did you make it about trails with just walkers?
We are having a conversation about walkers and bicycles, on the same path. That's the universe we are discussing.
So, I'll repeat my question to you. Given that there will be walkers, cyclists, and e-bikes on the same pathway, would you consider it safer for the walkers to be facing the traffic of bikes and e-bikes, or would it be safer having them coming up behind them, unseen and unheard?
Pretty simple question if you stick to the topic we are discussing.

[JMintzer]

It'd be safer for pedestrians to ride bicycles instead of walking. It'd be safer for bicycle riders to be in golf carts instead of on bikes. It'd be safer if bikes weren't allowed on pedestrian trails. It'd be safer if golf carts weren't allowed on mmps.

It'd be safer for all pedestrians to not walk where anyone coming toward them would have the sun in their eyes, such as at dusk. It'd be safer for pedestrians to wear a day-glo reflective safety vest and blinker arm-bands, and helmets, and knee pads.

A lot of things would be safer, if people did things other than what they currently do.

But on WALKING TRAILS, pedestrians ARE the traffic, and can't walk against themselves.

And on the WALKING trails (of which there are very few), there are ONLY pedestrians. So your point is moot...

[JMintzer]

wait a minute. This whole thread started about trails with pedestrians and bikes. When did you make it about trails with just walkers?
We are having a conversation about walkers and bicycles, on the same path. That's the universe we are discussing.
So, I'll repeat my question to you. Given that there will be walkers, cyclists, and e-bikes on the same pathway, would you consider it safer for the walkers to be facing the traffic of bikes and e-bikes, or would it be safer having them coming up behind them, unseen and unheard?
Pretty simple question if you stick to the topic we are discussing.

Because when you're boxed into a corner, you change the parameters of the argument...

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Hi there, I am all about sharing the walking trails. But I was seriously startled this morning while walking my dog when a bike came up behind me. He blew past me, very close to me, and I couldn't help but think, what if I had moved over just a little bit, I would have walked right into his path, and we both would have been hurt.

Would it not be a good idea for a person coming up behind a walker to ring their bell? And if they don't have one on their bike, get one?

Just curious if other walkers have had this experience.

Just a reminder that the title of this topic is:

"Bikes on the walking trail?"

And the above post, which is the post of the person who created this thread, refers to walking trails. Regardless, if it isn't an MMP or other path upon which motor vehicles may travel, then the pedestrian is the primary source of "traffic" and therefore would walk on the "with traffic" side of the road. Just like a person walking on a sidewalk. Yes, you'll see bicycles on sidewalks. But pedestrians on sidewalks are generally walking on the -right- side of the sidewalk. And bicycle riders are responsible for making sure that they - the bike riders - don't create a dangerous situation for the pedestrian.

[VApeople]

My wife WAS hit by a cyclist while walking along the right side.

That's too bad. Thanks for posting that.

We have nice hiking sticks with sharp metal points and we are going to start carrying them when we walk on the walking/biking paths.

If I have one in my left hand with the sharp point pointing behind me, that might discourage a biker from coming too close to me.

[charlie1]

I feel a major part of the issue is having higher speed motorized devices on the paths! In fact, I wish the District would prohibit any MOTORIZED device that exceeds 5-7MPH (this would allow disabled or handicap scooters) from the paths. They should be allowed only on multimodal paths or streets only just like golf carts. This would include E-Bikes and small motorcycles that I have seen on the paths. In reality, the e-bikes and some of the scooters travel as fast or faster than golf carts (I have been passed going 21mph in my cart by e-bikes numerous times.) The only real difference is the width of the two modes of transportation. The stability could be an issue on an e-bike as they race around the walkers on the narrower paths. It is dangerous to have anything traveling at higher speeds on the walking paths where most people using the path are enjoying their walk! With the explosion of e-bikes in the Villages, I feel more guidelines are necessary. Right now, it is a disaster waiting to happen.

[ohioshooter]

I feel a major part of the issue is having higher speed motorized devices on the paths! In fact, I wish the District would prohibit any MOTORIZED device that exceeds 5-7MPH (this would allow disabled or handicap scooters) from the paths. They should be allowed only on multimodal paths or streets only just like golf carts. This would include E-Bikes and small motorcycles that I have seen on the paths. In reality, the e-bikes and some of the scooters travel as fast or faster than golf carts (I have been passed going 21mph in my cart by e-bikes numerous times.) The only real difference is the width of the two modes of transportation. The stability could be an issue on an e-bike as they race around the walkers on the narrower paths. It is dangerous to have anything traveling at higher speeds on the walking paths where most people using the path are enjoying their walk! With the explosion of e-bikes in the Villages, I feel more guidelines are necessary. Right now, it is a disaster waiting to happen.

Don’t think it will happen, at least I hope not.

[margaretmattson]

When walking, I follow the standard traffic rule. Slower traffic to the right, faster to the left. No matter if you are walking WITH traffic on the path (sometimes a necessity) or AGAINST traffic on the path (so you can see what is coming), if you are a walker you should stay as far right as possible. This allows room for bikes and scooters to pass on your left. This is why bikers are trained to say, "passing on your left.". The faster traffic ALWAYS passes on the left.

If you are walking with others, it is not a good idea to spread out onto the path. Everyone should stay as far to their right as possible. Sometimes this is impossible but when a bike is coming remind everyone in your group to move far right. Everyone then should stop walking until the bike passes.

This is what I have always been taught. If I am wrong, please let me know.

[JMintzer]

When walking, I follow the standard traffic rule. Slower traffic to the right, faster to the left. No matter if you are walking WITH traffic on the path (sometimes a necessity) or AGAINST traffic on the path (so you can see what is coming), if you are a walker you should stay as far right as possible. This allows room for bikes and scooters to pass on your left. This is why bikers are trained to say, "passing on your left.". The faster traffic ALWAYS passes on the left.

If you are walking with others, it is not a good idea to spread out onto the path. Everyone should stay as far to their right as possible. Sometimes this is impossible but when a bike is coming remind everyone in your group to move far right. Everyone then should stop walking until the bike passes.

This is what I have always been taught. If I am wrong, please let me know.

Well, since you asked...

"Traffic" is typically cars, bikes, golf carts, etc (yes, I know there is "foot traffic")... And yes, slower traffic should stay right...

And I was always taught to walk FACING traffic, so you can see what is coming at you...

Others will give you different advice. You make your choices, you take your chances...

[asianthree]

I feel a major part of the issue is having higher speed motorized devices on the paths! In fact, I wish the District would prohibit any MOTORIZED device that exceeds 5-7MPH (this would allow disabled or handicap scooters) from the paths. They should be allowed only on multimodal paths or streets only just like golf carts. This would include E-Bikes and small motorcycles that I have seen on the paths. In reality, the e-bikes and some of the scooters travel as fast or faster than golf carts (I have been passed going 21mph in my cart by e-bikes numerous times.) The only real difference is the width of the two modes of transportation. The stability could be an issue on an e-bike as they race around the walkers on the narrower paths. It is dangerous to have anything traveling at higher speeds on the walking paths where most people using the path are enjoying their walk! With the explosion of e-bikes in the Villages, I feel more guidelines are necessary. Right now, it is a disaster waiting to happen.

You do realize 90% of all motility vehicles rarely do less than 8 unless the battery need’s charge, or they are really old. Even Disneys new blue scooters are 6.5mph

[margaretmattson]

Well, since you asked...

"Traffic" is typically cars, bikes, golf carts, etc (yes, I know there is "foot traffic")... And yes, slower traffic should stay right...

And I was always taught to walk FACING traffic, so you can see what is coming at you...

Others will give you different advice. You make your choices, you take your chances...

You can not always walk facing traffic. Example: Everyone who lives in a particular village is invited for a gathering at a nearby rec center. Some drive their cars, others bikes or scooters, and those who live close walk. It is obvious everyone must go in the same direction to get to the rec center. A walker can not walk against traffic, he/she will be going the wrong way.

This is when you follow the standard traffic rules. Bikes and walkers stay off the road. Cars always have the right of way. Walkers stay to the far right on the path that leads to the rec center allowing faster traffic (bikes, scooters, joggers etc) to pass them on the left.

This seems to be standard practice everywhere except here in the villages. Walkers, for their safety, should always heed to faster traffic. Remember when you were in grade school and you were taught to walk in single file keeping to the right?

Again, this is how I have always been taught. Seems to be the safest. If anyone knows how it is done in the villages, please let me know. I don't want to be hit by a faster vehicle.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

You can not always walk facing traffic. Example: Everyone who lives in a particular village is invited for a gathering at a nearby rec center. Some drive their cars, others bikes or scooters, and those who live close walk. It is obvious everyone must go in the same direction to get to the rec center. A walker can not walk against traffic, he/she will be going the wrong way.

This is when you follow the standard traffic rules. Bikes and walkers stay off the road. Cars always have the right of way. Walkers stay to the far right on the path that leads to the rec center allowing faster traffic (bikes, scooters, joggers etc) to pass them on the left.

This seems to be standard practice everywhere except here in the villages. Walkers, for their safety, should always heed to faster traffic. Remember when you were in grade school and you were taught to walk in single file keeping to the right?

Again, this is how I have always been taught. Seems to be the safest. If anyone knows how it is done in the villages, please let me know. I don't want to be hit by a faster vehicle.

It's done in The Villages however the person decides they should, obviously.

I was taught to always walk on the right side of the sidewalk, and bicyclists should pass me on the left, and if the bike behind me sees someone else coming toward them and can't pass safely, they need to just wait til they can, and then they do. I was taught, that bicyclists shouldn't HAVE to call out that they're passing a pedestrian, because - the bicyclist is passing on the left, and the pedestrian is walking on the right. But that as a matter of courtesy, they call it out anyway - or they ring their little bell if they have one.

If you're in a street where there is no sidewalk, I was taught to walk against traffic most of the time. If the destination is on the same side of the road as walking WITH traffic, and it's within a block, then you stay on the "with traffic" side of the road as close to the curb as possible, instead of crossing the street, walking the block, and crossing the street again to get to your destination.

If you're going north, and the street is a one-way street that also goes north, then it doesn't matter which side of the street you're on, because you'll be walking "with" traffic no matter what, anyway. Just stay near the curb.

I wasn't taught about MMPs because we didn't have them where I come from, so I treat the MMP as if it were a very narrow street, and stick to the opposite side.

On the trails at Paradise Park where it doesn't say "Pedestrians Only," I ride my bicycle near the center of the trail unless someone is approaching - and then I pull over to the right edge. I call out to pedestrians ahead of me, before I pass them to let them know I'm coming.

Edited to add: The car doesn't have the right of way on the road by the way. The pedestrian does, unless there's a sign posted indicating that pedestrians are not allowed. That doesn't mean a pedestrian can just walk into the middle of a roundabout. But it does mean that if a car sees a pedestrian already in a roundabout, the pedestrian has the right of way and the car needs to yield to them until that pedestrian is - wherever the heck he thought he was heading when he was stupid enough to walk into a roundabout.

That's what I was taught, that's what I've been doing all my life. Unless there is an actual regulation that requires me to do otherwise, I'll just keep doing that.

[margaretmattson]

Thanks! I do exactly the same as you. The only reason I typed cars have the right of way is because of their size and the OBVIOUS danger. I understand pedestrians have the right of way but I only use that rule in a posted crosswalk waiting to see if the cars stop first. I would never assume right of way on a road while walking. My chance of death being the reason. Other than that, I do exactly as you do. Seems like common sense as a walker to stay to the far right not walking down the middle of a path. It is just as enjoyable and much safer.

[mickey100]

I guess you are supposed to have eyes in the back of your head. No matter what side of the path you walk on there will be traffic coming from behind. My opinion, and I won’t change my mind, walk on the right like you are supposed to.

I think it comes down to common sense. It sounds like the trails are set up for bikers and walkers only. No golf cart traffic. If I was a walker, and I knew that bikes were using the trail, and my hearing was not so good, or I had earbuds in, I would walk on the left so i could see oncoming bikes. If I'm walking around a curve, and sight distance is not so good, a bike come from behind me, could sound their horn, but I might not hear it in time. So, IMHO, the walkers need to make accommodations, i.e. walking on the left, which doesn't seem like a big deal.

[JMintzer]

You can not always walk facing traffic. Example: Everyone who lives in a particular village is invited for a gathering at a nearby rec center. Some drive their cars, others bikes or scooters, and those who live close walk. It is obvious everyone must go in the same direction to get to the rec center. A walker can not walk against traffic, he/she will be going the wrong way.

Wut? Sorry, but no...

This is when you follow the standard traffic rules. Bikes and walkers stay off the road. Cars always have the right of way. Walkers stay to the far right on the path that leads to the rec center allowing faster traffic (bikes, scooters, joggers etc) to pass them on the left.

Once again... No... Walkers staying to the far left have no effect on bikes or carts on the right side of the path... And how does one "stay off the road" when taking a walk in the neighborhoods? And bikes have every right to be on the road. Just like cars. They have the same "right of way" that cars have...

This seems to be standard practice everywhere except here in the villages. Walkers, for their safety, should always heed to faster traffic. Remember when you were in grade school and you were taught to walk in single file keeping to the right?

Nope... Unless you're talking about walking in the halls at school.

Pretty sure you're safe from getting hit by a car there... Apples and Kumquats...

Again, this is how I have always been taught. Seems to be the safest. If anyone knows how it is done in the villages, please let me know. I don't want to be hit by a faster vehicle.

Once again having the ability to SEE what is coming at you, rather than have a bike/cart come up on you from behind, seems to be the safest...

You keep asking "how it's done in The Villages. You've been told that. Yet you don't want to accept the answer... Strange...

[margaretmattson]

In this thread, we are talking about two different issues.

First issue: do you walk with or against traffic? Most of us agree! Face traffic whenever possible so you can see the traffic coming toward you. That decision will put you on the LEFT side of oncoming traffic.

The second issue. Once on your selected path, Never walk down the middle! Walk on the far RIGHT of that chosen path. If a biker, jogger, scooter, or whatever comes up from behind, You are allowing enough room for them to pass you on the left without hitting you or falling off their bike.

This rule is practiced everywhere and we learned this rule in grade school. Keep tight and to the right when walking. Forming a single file if needed to allow room for faster traffic passing from behind.

Hope this clarifies there are two issues. Choose the best path where you can see oncoming traffic (usually on the left side) then once on that path walk on the far RIGHT of that path, never down the middle.

[JMintzer]

In this thread, we are talking about two different issues.

First issue: do you walk with or against traffic? Most of us agree! Face traffic whenever possible so you can see the traffic coming toward you. That decision will put you on the LEFT side of oncoming traffic.

The second issue. Once on your selected path, Never walk down the middle! Walk on the far RIGHT of that chosen path. If a biker, jogger, scooter, or whatever comes up from behind, You are allowing enough room for them to pass you on the left without hitting you or falling off their bike.

Sorry, but you're contradicting yourself...

I see you just joined a month ago. Have you actually moved into your home yet?

If so, and you've walked on the MMPs, you physically cannot do what you're suggesting...

If you're walking down a street/path, facing traffic, how is it possible to stay to the right?

[SusanStCatherine]

Hi there, I am all about sharing the walking trails. But I was seriously startled this morning while walking my dog when a bike came up behind me. He blew past me, very close to me, and I couldn't help but think, what if I had moved over just a little bit, I would have walked right into his path, and we both would have been hurt.

Would it not be a good idea for a person coming up behind a walker to ring their bell? And if they don't have one on their bike, get one?

Just curious if other walkers have had this experience.

Interpreting your post, by "walking trail" you mean "pathway". These are common south of 44 and prohibit golf carts. I see no formal rule for the "pathways" which allow bicyclist including e-bicycles which can travel at what seem like very high speeds. What I have been told by an avid bicyclist is to walk on right of these "pathways." The cyclists will be riding on the right and when they come around blind corners you do not want to be walking toward them. Apparently this is what is expected. That being said, people will do the opposite for whatever reason. Therefore walkers need to be alert and be able to step off into the grass if necessary. Bikers should always announce their approach from behind with either a bell or "on your left" audible announcement. Bikers should be considerate of walkers (especially clueless ones) and slow down while passing and be prepared for sudden stopping.

I am an avid walker and walk on the right on pathways. I often look behind me and keep aware and often step aside onto the grass for bikers. Often bikers will fly by me unannounced at a high rate of speed in the center of the path. Bikers understandably don't want to ride on the edge of the path much less the grass. There will always be these "entitled" people along with clueless walkers. The pathways are narrower than the MMPs. Everyone should be aware and considerate.

Once I was actually cut off by a runner while I was walking on a very open pathway. He wanted to take a fork in the path. He ran so close in front of me I had to abruptly stop. I was very visible and he could have easily slowed down or stopped but chose not to. Unbelievable! Talk about entitled! He mumbled he wanted to go that way and completely stopped just a few yard later. So expect anything! Utility vehicles and forbidden golf carts may appear on the pathways at times.

"MMP" is multi-modal path and allows golf carts and you definitely walk on the left facing oncoming golf carts. If you are walking in the street you obviously walk on the left as well so you can see oncoming traffic.

Be safe and considerate y'all!

[Two Bills]

This is turning into a roundabout thread, with so many interpretations of where to place yourself for safety..
One thing I am sure of, is you do not keep to the right when walking and facing oncoming traffic! :eek:

[Number 10 GI]

I think this article pretty much gives intelligent, informed, common sense information of what side of the road to walk on. Plus I've been told over the years and at an early age that you walk facing the traffic. Problem is common sense is not very common anymore.

Which Side of the Road You Should Walk On | The Healthy (https://www.thehealthy.com/exercise/walking/which-side-of-road-to-walk-on/)

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

I think this article pretty much gives intelligent, informed, common sense information of what side of the road to walk on. Plus I've been told over the years and at an early age that you walk facing the traffic. Problem is common sense is not very common anymore.

Which Side of the Road You Should Walk On | The Healthy (https://www.thehealthy.com/exercise/walking/which-side-of-road-to-walk-on/)

That article has nothing to do with this topic. Of course you should walk against traffic on a ROAD. The Villages has roads, and MMPs, and sidewalks, and walking trails, and paths that allow pedestrians and bicycles, but not golf carts.

You don't walk on the left side of a sidewalk. You walk on the right side of it. Or you walk in the middle, until someone comes toward you, and then you move to your right. This topic is about pedestrian paths, not motor vehicle roads or MMPs.

[MX rider]

That article has nothing to do with this topic. Of course you should walk against traffic on a ROAD. The Villages has roads, and MMPs, and sidewalks, and walking trails, and paths that allow pedestrians and bicycles, but not golf carts.

You don't walk on the left side of a sidewalk. You walk on the right side of it. Or you walk in the middle, until someone comes toward you, and then you move to your right. This topic is about pedestrian paths, not motor vehicle roads or MMPs.

I've been running for 43 years. Other than a sidewalk, I always run against traffic. Why the hell wouldn't you? This includes the MM paths.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

I've been running for 43 years. Other than a sidewalk, I always run against traffic. Why the hell wouldn't you? This includes the MM paths.

I don't run at all, that's why the hell I wouldn't run against traffic. However - I do walk against traffic on the MMPs, because golf carts can drive on the MMPs. On paths where motor vehicles are not permitted, I walk on the right side of the road, because paths where motor vehicles are not permitted, are pedestrian paths. We ARE the traffic, we don't have to walk against it.

[Laker14]

Hi there, I am all about sharing the walking trails. But I was seriously startled this morning while walking my dog when a bike came up behind me. He blew past me, very close to me, and I couldn't help but think, what if I had moved over just a little bit, I would have walked right into his path, and we both would have been hurt.

Would it not be a good idea for a person coming up behind a walker to ring their bell? And if they don't have one on their bike, get one?

Just curious if other walkers have had this experience.

That article has nothing to do with this topic. Of course you should walk against traffic on a ROAD. The Villages has roads, and MMPs, and sidewalks, and walking trails, and paths that allow pedestrians and bicycles, but not golf carts.

You don't walk on the left side of a sidewalk. You walk on the right side of it. Or you walk in the middle, until someone comes toward you, and then you move to your right. This topic is about pedestrian paths, not motor vehicle roads or MMPs.

actually, the title of the post refers to "walking trails", but in fact , the original post describes a path open to walkers and bicycles and e-bikes. I don't know what Hogeye Trail is officially referred to, but it allows all three of those entities.
Therefore, no matter what it is called officially, as far as I am concerned, for my personal safety, since there may be vehicles travelling in excess of walking speed, I will walk on the left side, so I can see these vehicles as they approach, and take appropriate evasive action.

[Number 10 GI]

That article has nothing to do with this topic. Of course you should walk against traffic on a ROAD. The Villages has roads, and MMPs, and sidewalks, and walking trails, and paths that allow pedestrians and bicycles, but not golf carts.

You don't walk on the left side of a sidewalk. You walk on the right side of it. Or you walk in the middle, until someone comes toward you, and then you move to your right. This topic is about pedestrian paths, not motor vehicle roads or MMPs.

I was responding to the posts by others telling us we should walk on the right side of the ROAD.
Has it been established with all certainty that the "walking path" where this incident occurred is actually a walking path? Has anyone cited an actual official policy that prohibits bicycles on these "walking paths"?

[ohioshooter]

actually, the title of the post refers to "walking trails", but in fact , the original post describes a path open to walkers and bicycles and e-bikes. I don't know what Hogeye Trail is officially referred to, but it allows all three of those entities.
Therefore, no matter what it is called officially, as far as I am concerned, for my personal safety, since there may be vehicles travelling in excess of walking speed, I will walk on the left side, so I can see these vehicles as they approach, and take appropriate evasive action.
Every time I read one these ‘walk on the left so I can see these vehicles as they approach’ I have to laugh. Aren’t these trails two way? What about the traffic coming from behind. Do whatever makes you feel better.

[JMintzer]

That article has nothing to do with this topic. Of course you should walk against traffic on a ROAD. The Villages has roads, and MMPs, and sidewalks, and walking trails, and paths that allow pedestrians and bicycles, but not golf carts.

You don't walk on the left side of a sidewalk. You walk on the right side of it. Or you walk in the middle, until someone comes toward you, and then you move to your right. This topic is about pedestrian paths, not motor vehicle roads or MMPs.

If it was about "pedestrian paths", there wouldn't be any bicycle traffic...

[JMintzer]

I don't run at all, that's why the hell I wouldn't run against traffic. However - I do walk against traffic on the MMPs, because golf carts can drive on the MMPs. On paths where motor vehicles are not permitted, I walk on the right side of the road, because paths where motor vehicles are not permitted, are pedestrian paths. We ARE the traffic, we don't have to walk against it.

So bikes aren't traffic? Ummm, Okay...

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Every time I read one these ‘walk on the left so I can see these vehicles as they approach’ I have to laugh. Aren’t these trails two way? What about the traffic coming from behind. Do whatever makes you feel better.

Yup. If you have all the people on foot on the left - that means you'll have joggers and runners coming up from behind you, trying to pass you on the -right- (since you're already on the left), while bicycle riders are on the right - and then - a bicycle rider comes up toward you on THEIR right - heading in the direction you just came from, and- hm. Gee. Head-on collision anyone?

[JMintzer]

actually, the title of the post refers to "walking trails", but in fact , the original post describes a path open to walkers and bicycles and e-bikes. I don't know what Hogeye Trail is officially referred to, but it allows all three of those entities.
Therefore, no matter what it is called officially, as far as I am concerned, for my personal safety, since there may be vehicles travelling in excess of walking speed, I will walk on the left side, so I can see these vehicles as they approach, and take appropriate evasive action.

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[JMintzer]

Every time I read one these ‘walk on the left so I can see these vehicles as they approach’ I have to laugh. Aren’t these trails two way? What about the traffic coming from behind. Do whatever makes you feel better.

The traffic coming from behind is now on the other side of the MMP/Path. Thus, it is now farther away from you...

If you can't see that that is safer, walk wherever you want... You do have that choice...

[JMintzer]

Yup. If you have all the people on foot on the left - that means you'll have joggers and runners coming up from behind you, trying to pass you on the -right- (since you're already on the left), while bicycle riders are on the right - and then - a bicycle rider comes up toward you on THEIR right - heading in the direction you just came from, and- hm. Gee. Head-on collision anyone?

Yes, there is always sooo much congestion of a walker, a jogger, and a bike rider converging at the exact same time...

I'm sure it happens all the time... [insert facepalm here]

Oh, and since you can now SEE THE APPROACHING TRAFFIC, that "head on collision" can be avoided...

[margaretmattson]

There seems to be a lot of confusion as to which side of the path/trail to walk on or bike on. Solution: seems simple enough- signs to regulate the confusion.

With many, many, responses stating the exact opposite of what others believe to be true, I took the time to read the Florida statutes regarding a pedestrian so that I could remain safe. Looked hard and kept finding only two.

First statute: When no sidewalk or designated lined path is available, a pedestrian must walk on the road facing traffic keeping away from the moving cars as far as possible.

Second statute: A pedestrian must follow all traffic rules applied to motor vehicles. Stopping at traffic lights and only crossing intersections at posted crosswalks. No jay walking.

There are no written statutes for a pedestrian on a sidewalk or designated lined path that I could find. Perhaps, this is why everyone has different opinions.

From this I learned, be safe out there! Keep your eyes and ears open. In my opinion, most people are likely to use the paths and sidewalks to get to their destination in the shortest possible route. Some much more aggressively than others. No one is breaking any rules by doing this. With no written statutes, people will do what they want .

[margaretmattson]

Yes, there is always sooo much congestion of a walker, a jogger, and a bike rider converging at the exact same time...

I'm sure it happens all the time... [insert facepalm here]

Oh, and since you can now SEE THE APPROACHING TRAFFIC, that "head on collision" can be avoided...

You will be surprised! I have witnessed more instances of near collisions than I have ever seen in any other community. Many, many, many in the town squares, alone. I have also read about many traffic fatalities not including cars.

This is the reason I have heightened concern. Apparently, everyone does as they wish is all that I have learned.

[Laker14]

Every time I read one these ‘walk on the left so I can see these vehicles as they approach’ I have to laugh. Aren’t these trails two way? What about the traffic coming from behind. Do whatever makes you feel better.

thank you for giving me permission. I appreciate that.
And you should follow your instincts as well.
Let those e-bikes come up from behind. Good plan.

[Bill14564]

You will be surprised! I have witnessed more instances of near collisions than I have ever seen in any other community. Many, many, many in the town squares, alone. I have also read about many traffic fatalities not including cars.

This is the reason I have heightened concern. Apparently, everyone does as they wish is all that I have learned.

Many traffic fatalities in the Villages that didn't involve cars? I can think of one or maybe two in the last five years. Can you provide links to a few that I must have missed?

[bkannapel]

Walkers on a WALKING trail will walk on the right side of the road. They ARE the traffic, they are facing exactly the direction they should be facing, on a walking trail.

It's not a walking trail, though. I enjoy running/walking on the pathways, always on the left side. I want to be able to see oncoming bicycles. When I run or walk on roadways, I do the same thing. I want to be able to react if a car backing out of a driveway doesn't see me, for instance. The same goes for bikes (not the driveway thing-just in general). I don't want to leave it up to them to watch out for me as they approach from behind. By walking/running on the left side, I can watch bikes as they come toward me and be able to react. I have seen bicyclists looking the other way, at phones, or talking to a buddy, and don't want to rely on these people to avoid me.

[margaretmattson]

Many traffic fatalities in the Villages that didn't involve cars? I can think of one or maybe two in the last five years. Can you provide links to a few that I must have missed?
You haven't read about the many golf cart crashes and fatalities? Pedestrians on the hazardous Morse Blvd Area? Bikers being sideswiped?

[Bill14564]

You haven't read about the many golf cart crashes and fatalities? Pedestrians on the hazardous Morse Blvd Area? Bikers being sideswiped?

Many golf cart crashes into *cars*? Pedestrians on Morse Blvd Area made dangerous by *cars*? (and no, I haven't heard of any pedestrian fatalities there) Bikers being sideswiped by *cars*?

Of course I have heard of incidents that involved cars hitting a motorcycle, bicycle, golf cart, or pedestrian (though not on Morse). What I haven't heard of is many fatalities where no car was involved at all which is what I thought you were trying to say.