What really happened inside Wuhan lab

[Erider]

https://archive.is/2023.06.10-172049/https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/inside-wuhan-lab-covid-pandemic-china-america-qhjwwwvm0

This is in the Sunday Times UK but is behind a paywall. I found the article at this archival site where you can read it for free.

You will probably see more about this in US media once they figure out how to reverse course.

Read the entire article before commenting.

[Erider]

Chinese military created COVID?

Another article about this

Chinese military created Covid? Here's what a bombshell report says - BusinessToday (https://www.businesstoday.in/latest/world/story/chinese-military-created-covid-heres-what-a-bombshell-report-says-385237-2023-06-12)

[Two Bills]

A long, interesting, and well presented piece.
Very plausible, but is it the full story, let alone the truth?
The only thing about the story that I am sure about, is no one will never know the absolute facts of what happened.
I once believed in the Tooth Fairy, Jack and the Beanstalk, and that our local elected politico had my best interests at heart.
However, I now view most news reports/statements with a huge amount skepticism, simply because integrity and truth are no longer a priority in news reporting, or public service.
If of course they ever were! :shrug:

[ThirdOfFive]

A long, interesting, and well presented piece.
Very plausible, but is it the full story, let alone the truth?
The only thing about the story that I am sure about, is no one will never know the absolute facts of what happened.
I once believed in the Tooth Fairy, Jack and the Beanstalk, and that our local elected politico had my best interests at heart.
However, I now view most news reports/statements with a huge amount skepticism, simply because integrity and truth are no longer a priority in news reporting, or public service.
If of course they ever were! :shrug:
No truer words ever written.

[Stu from NYC]

I suspect our govt knows and is withholding the info to prevent a nuclear war.

[Byte1]

Most likely, the virus was created in a lab at Ft.Detrick, MD. and then shipped to China for further development. Don't forget how FT. D. was involved in the anthrax threat. Remember, the U.S. paid the WuHan lab to perform gain of function testing on COVID. If we were so adamant about China being so instrumental in the world crisis of the virus, why are we so timid in regards to blaming them for it? Perhaps, we are afraid of what might be revealed? Just a few thoughts, OR perhaps a conspiracy theory.

[eyc234]

A long, interesting, and well presented piece.
Very plausible, but is it the full story, let alone the truth?
The only thing about the story that I am sure about, is no one will never know the absolute facts of what happened.
I once believed in the Tooth Fairy, Jack and the Beanstalk, and that our local elected politico had my best interests at heart.
However, I now view most news reports/statements with a huge amount skepticism, simply because integrity and truth are no longer a priority in news reporting, or public service.
If of course they ever were! :shrug:

:bigbow::bigbow:

[Battlebasset]

Remember the OJ trial? There were two camps. One said "Of course he did it". The other said, for mostly political reasons, that he didn't do it.

Fast forward 30 years. You won't find anyone that says OJ didn't do it. At least not any thinking, honest person.

Just like in 30 years (or less) you won't find anyone that says COVID didn't originate in the CCP Wuhan lab.

[dougjb]

oooo....just what i like....another conspiracy theory!

I am sure that the powers that be created this and then exposed it to all mankind. Please attach your favorite politician's, technocrat's, or physician's or researcher's or military leader's name as the person responsible for creating covid. I am sure they did it...without involving anyone else. Afterall, do not think of the hundreds or thousands of others who might have to be involved to have such a heinous thing thrust upon the world. I am sure you are absolutely sure that these hundreds or thousands of others have remained tight lipped about this. Isn't that what underlies broad ranging conspiracies. It is always "them" that did it!

[Stu from NYC]

oooo....just what i like....another conspiracy theory!

I am sure that the powers that be created this and then exposed it to all mankind. Please attach your favorite politician's, technocrat's, or physician's or researcher's or military leader's name as the person responsible for creating covid. I am sure they did it...without involving anyone else. Afterall, do not think of the hundreds or thousands of others who might have to be involved to have such a heinous thing thrust upon the world. I am sure you are absolutely sure that these hundreds or thousands of others have remained tight lipped about this. Isn't that what underlies broad ranging conspiracies. It is always "them" that did it!

Area 51 is real explains a lot

[Blackbird45]

Besides this really being a game of where it came from does it really matter. All that matters is how many people died and have we found a way to control it. Any country that has the money and the technology is playing around with this including our own.

[Ellwoodrick]

We can only hope and pray we don’t die by our own hand! There will always be those that think they are smart enough to outsmart the random mayhem of accidents.

[MandoMan]

https://archive.is/2023.06.10-172049/https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/inside-wuhan-lab-covid-pandemic-china-america-qhjwwwvm0

This is in the Sunday Times UK but is behind a paywall. I found the article at this archival site where you can read it for free.

You will probably see more about this in US media once they figure out how to reverse course.

Read the entire article before commenting.

Interesting. Thanks for posting this. The link seems to be a screen capture of an article from last Sunday’s “Sunday Times” in the UK. You can’t see the original without paying. The Sunday Times is considered prestigious and quite reliable, despite being owned by NewsCorp, that is, by Rupert Murdock.

The article is in line with what millions of us have suspected about the rise of Covid-19 in China. It outlines the weaponization of the virus by the Wuhan Institute of Virology and the viral research institute of the People’s Liberation Army. The release seems to have been accidental, but the lab was in the process of developing a vaccine that could be given all over China before releasing the virus elsewhere. Can you imagine what would have happened if it were released deliberately and simultaneously around the world? What happened was bad enough. What if China had the only working vaccine (instead of one that didn’t work well)? What would countries do to get access to the vaccine, at least for leaders?

The problem is that a big US government report was issued a couple months ago about this, and the article goes way beyond what the report says. Also, I haven’t seen a reference to this article in the New York Times, and I would have expected a big one. Thus, I’d say this might be right, but I’m withholding full acceptance until I read more corroboration from other reliable sources. However, this gives a fair account of the extent of involvement of the NIH and a US non-profit doing research on the problem. Legitimate research and funding, but then the Chinese went too far in their research and the Chinese military got involved and covered things up.

But do read this!

[Stu from NYC]

Besides this really being a game of where it came from does it really matter. All that matters is how many people died and have we found a way to control it. Any country that has the money and the technology is playing around with this including our own.

It sure matters to me. The epidemic killed many people and disrupted all our lives.

Should see light of day and perhaps this will not happen again.

[Whitley]

Besides this really being a game of where it came from does it really matter. All that matters is how many people died and have we found a way to control it. Any country that has the money and the technology is playing around with this including our own.

Of course it matters. Not only was there a virus enhanced in a Chinese lab that killed millions, US tax dollars were supporting it.

[justjim]

At first people were calling Covid a “hoax”. Most of us know of loved ones and friends who died or almost died
from Covid. We only have “theories” and speculation how it got started and why. Maybe it did start in China. We could have done better if Covid wasn’t made a “political football” from the very beginning. Unfortunately if another such pandemic occurs, the results will likely not be much different. “A house divided against itself cannot stand.” Abraham Lincoln As many have said before, “a great civilization is not conquered from without until it has destroyed itself from within.” Soon we had better figure out how to all get along.

[collie1228]

Gain of function research was legally banned by the Obama administration. Dr. Fauci and his agency approved/funded gain of function research at Wuhan, China using US taxpayer's dollars. The first three persons exhibiting Covid-19 symptoms worked at the Wuhan Labs. I truly wish that we had a free press that would look into this. But if wishes were horses, then beggars would ride.

[toeser]

https://archive.is/2023.06.10-172049/https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/inside-wuhan-lab-covid-pandemic-china-america-qhjwwwvm0

This is in the Sunday Times UK but is behind a paywall. I found the article at this archival site where you can read it for free.

You will probably see more about this in US media once they figure out how to reverse course.

Read the entire article before commenting.

Very good article. Thanks.

[Lisanp@aol.com]

To me, this is old news. I said in March 2020 that Shi’s bat research from the abandoned copper mine had been developed into a biological weapon of mass destruction. The ONLY level 3 biocontainment lab in all of China (and where Shi was doing her bat research) is in Wuhan. I believe that the US has 7 level 3 labs just as a point of reference so why does China only have 1 and by coincidence it happens to be in Wuhan?

[brunogal]

Thank you for the link! In Jan. 2021, Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying (Evolutionary Biologists) were guests on the Bill Maher show to discuss their research on Covid origin. According to Bret's Lab Leak Hypothesis, there was only a 2% chance it WASN'T a lab leak. I've been fans of their Dark Horse podcast ever since. Here's the link to the 9 minute discussion:
https://youtu.be/ZMGWLLDSA3c

[jmaccallum]

In the science world, we all know it came from the Wuhan lab and that it was gain of function. Too much overzealousness in research. Happens a lot. It’s kept murky at best because of the many hands involved including those from the US. We pulled out under Obama, but many including China didn’t know if we were stopping or just taking it to our own backyard for further progress.

After Nixon, we made a bet on China. Share technology, improve their social economic status and they’d all want blue jeans and cell phones. Why not, it worked with Japan after WWII. Seemed like a a win-win. We get cheap labor and they eventually get the best of Western lifestyle.

Didn’t work out so good. As usual, our great thinkers didn’t consider all the parameters. The biggest being governing 1.4 billion people who were going to have freedom? We have a hard time doing it with only 300 billion - less than 25% of the Chinese population. Canada has problems doing it with 36 billion - just over 1/10 of us. Not to say it can’t be done, but it’s easier not to. So comes Xi.

If you think people from New York are different from people in North Carolina, and they are, that’s only a drop in the bucket compared to the vast differences of culture and dialect in China. In China, many people from one region can’t even talk to people from another region, unless both speak Mandarin.

So anyway, our partnership with China was like two friends who both got caught with their hands in the cookie jar. Neither wants to tell the truth, and at some point one pointed at the other. And then the other pointed back. Both feel slighted, so they’re not friends anymore. So let’s take our chips and go home.

Problem is, two kids on the block, both with big weapons. Let’s just hope it doesn’t turn into a mass shooting.

[Stu from NYC]

In the science world, we all know it came from the Wuhan lab and that it was gain of function. Too much overzealousness in research. Happens a lot. It’s kept murky at best because of the many hands involved including those from the US. We pulled out under Obama, but many including China didn’t know if we were stopping or just taking it to our own backyard for further progress.

After Nixon, we made a bet on China. Share technology, improve their social economic status and they’d all want blue jeans and cell phones. Why not, it worked with Japan after WWII. Seemed like a a win-win. We get cheap labor and they eventually get the best of Western lifestyle.

Didn’t work out so good. As usual, our great thinkers didn’t consider all the parameters. The biggest being governing 1.4 billion people who were going to have freedom? We have a hard time doing it with only 300 billion - less than 25% of the Chinese population. Canada has problems doing it with 36 billion - just over 1/10 of us. Not to say it can’t be done, but it’s easier not to. So comes Xi.

If you think people from New York are different from people in North Carolina, and they are, that’s only a drop in the bucket compared to the vast differences of culture and dialect in China. In China, many people from one region can’t even talk to people from another region, unless both speak Mandarin.

So anyway, our partnership with China was like two friends who both got caught with their hands in the cookie jar. Neither wants to tell the truth, and at some point one pointed at the other. And then the other pointed back. Both feel slighted, so they’re not friends anymore. So let’s take our chips and go home.

Problem is, two kids on the block, both with big weapons. Let’s just hope it doesn’t turn into a mass shooting.

Very interesting analysis, you might well be right