Bunion Surgery, not getting it?

[HandyGrandpap]

Current position is not to get bunion surgery. Bunion is obvious, great toe angled, however other than cosmetic reasons I am not really having any problems. Been like that for a while, told it is hereditary.
Anyone have a similiar situation and just not get the surgery?

[asianthree]

As long as you aren’t in pain, would wait, once too painful to walk then look for an ortho guy who specializes

[CoachKandSportsguy]

Current position is not to get bunion surgery. Bunion is obvious, great toe angled, however other than cosmetic reasons I am not really having any problems. Been like that for a while, told it is hereditary.
Anyone have a similiar situation and just not get the surgery?

Wife's nephew just had it done. . . no issues,
Wife's retired friend had it awhile ago and got a spinal infection months later.

Surgery carries risk, and so choose what's necessary to maintain health and lifestyle

YMMV

[Arctic Fox]

Surgery carries risk, and so choose what's necessary to maintain health and lifestyle

A doctor relative told me, "Don't put yourself under the knife unless you really have to".

To some extent, it depends on the operation being considered, but infections are always a possibility and can end up causing more problems than the surgery fixed (including death).

[ewstanley]

I had it done due to pain. Had to have revision because of bad technique many years ago. You might want to have any revisions done by an orthopedic doctor that specializes in feet. That's just my opinion. I had problems with podiatrists. Just my experience.

[golfing eagles]

Wife's nephew just had it done. . . no issues,
Wife's retired friend had it awhile ago and got a spinal infection months later.

Surgery carries risk, and so choose what's necessary to maintain health and lifestyle

YMMV

Please don't tell me your wife's friend thinks her "spinal infection" months later had anything to do with her correction of hallux valgus. I'd love to hear the medical details of that. Dr. J. Minter on TOTV is a foot surgeon, I'm sure he'd like to weigh in as well. But in either case I hope she had a full recovery.

[CoachKandSportsguy]

Please don't tell me your wife's friend thinks her "spinal infection" months later had anything to do with her correction of hallux valgus. I'd love to hear the medical details of that. Dr. J. Minter on TOTV is a foot surgeon, I'm sure he'd like to weigh in as well. But in either case I hope she had a full recovery.

Generalized story, exact medical facts not known.True story as related second hand from mutual golf friends. story is marked as believable when told in golfing circles. . . :1rotfl: :1rotfl:

Yes, i can understand your position. . she had had back issues while recovering from surgery in her boot, and finally the pain was diagnosed several months later as a spinal infection as the source of her back pain, admitted then and there into the hospital for IV for a several/many weeks.

As you well know, doctors diagnose and treat symptoms and health issues, regardless of source. Source is most often times unknown with certainty, therefore, doctors don't like to speculate on sources without data/facts. . . and its impossible to research situations like this to prove facts.

so from a medical point of view, you are correct. From a risk point of view, all surgeries carry risk, both immediate and longer term, and the risk increases as one ages, most likely exponentially, which was my only point. . regardless of medically proven or not. . regardless of direct or indirect affects. ..

as I ended with YMMV

[JMintzer]

Please don't tell me your wife's friend thinks her "spinal infection" months later had anything to do with her correction of hallux valgus. I'd love to hear the medical details of that. Dr. J. Minter on TOTV is a foot surgeon, I'm sure he'd like to weigh in as well. But in either case I hope she had a full recovery.

Yeah, that one puzzled me, as well...

[HeleneGB]

I had surgery on both feet because mine were very painful. Worked like a charm.

[JMintzer]

As long as you aren’t in pain, would wait. It’s extremely painful procedure

Agree with part one...

Disagree with part two...

Every patient has a different pain threshold. I've had patients jogging 3-4 weeks after bunion surgery and others that took 3-4 months to recover...

[JMintzer]

I had it done due to pain. Had to have revision because of bad technique many years ago. You might want to have any revisions done by an orthopedic doctor that specializes in feet. That's just my opinion. I had problems with podiatrists. Just my experience.

There aren't a lot of orthopedic foot specialists. They are becoming more common, but most still specialize in knees, hips, shoulders, hands etc...

I did train the orthopedic residents in foot surgery at my hospital. But most showed little interest in it...

[JMintzer]

As long as you aren’t in pain, would wait, once too painful to walk then look for an ortho guy who specializes

Most of the "ortho guys" aren't as up to date on the newer procedures...

I've had to revise more than a few of their surgeries because they did the same procedure, regardless of the type of deformity...

And picking the proper procedure is vital to having a good outcome...

[JMintzer]

Generalized story, exact medical facts not known.True story as related second hand from mutual golf friends. story is marked as believable when told in golfing circles. . . :1rotfl: :1rotfl:

Yes, i can understand your position. . she had had back issues while recovering from surgery in her boot, and finally the pain was diagnosed several months later as a spinal infection as the source of her back pain, admitted then and there into the hospital for IV for a several/many weeks.

As you well know, doctors diagnose and treat symptoms and health issues, regardless of source. Source is most often times unknown with certainty, therefore, doctors don't like to speculate on sources without data/facts. . . and its impossible to research situations like this to prove facts.

so from a medical point of view, you are correct. From a risk point of view, all surgeries carry risk, both immediate and longer term, and the risk increases as one ages, most likely exponentially, which was my only point. . regardless of medically proven or not. . regardless of direct or indirect affects. ..

as I ended with YMMV

Unless she had a post-op infection after her foot surgery, I can't fathom how that could have been the source of an infection elsewhere in the body...

But, like GE said... I hope she recovered from her spinal infection...

[44Apple]

JMintzer... thanks for your input re this topic.

[John Mayes]

Current position is not to get bunion surgery. Bunion is obvious, great toe angled, however other than cosmetic reasons I am not really having any problems. Been like that for a while, told it is hereditary.
Anyone have a similiar situation and just not get the surgery?

I have the condition on my left foot. Visually obvious but no pain unless I press on the bottom of my foot just behind the ball.

I just got through plantar fasciitis on both feet,?(two months apart), with injections and correct orthotics. I didn’t realize how painful PF was until struggling with it for almost a year.

I don’t plan to do anything with bunion till necessary.

[golfing eagles]

Generalized story, exact medical facts not known.True story as related second hand from mutual golf friends. story is marked as believable when told in golfing circles. . . :1rotfl: :1rotfl:

Yes, i can understand your position. . she had had back issues while recovering from surgery in her boot, and finally the pain was diagnosed several months later as a spinal infection as the source of her back pain, admitted then and there into the hospital for IV for a several/many weeks.

As you well know, doctors diagnose and treat symptoms and health issues, regardless of source. Source is most often times unknown with certainty, therefore, doctors don't like to speculate on sources without data/facts. . . and its impossible to research situations like this to prove facts.

so from a medical point of view, you are correct. From a risk point of view, all surgeries carry risk, both immediate and longer term, and the risk increases as one ages, most likely exponentially, which was my only point. . regardless of medically proven or not. . regardless of direct or indirect affects. ..

as I ended with YMMV

Unless she had a post-op infection after her foot surgery, I can't fathom how that could have been the source of an infection elsewhere in the body...

But, like GE said... I hope she recovered from her spinal infection...

Well, with the additional information we can speculate (repeat SPECULATE) a bit more:

It seems her problems began in the immediate post-op period, and her back pain may have been attributed to hobbling around on crutches with a boot on. So, let's SPECULATE that for whatever reason she actually had some Staph Aureus seeded into her bloodstream. This could be the precipitating factor for an infection such as a discitis or even a vertebral osteomyelitis, and it would not be unusual that the correct diagnosis isn't made until a few months later, especially if she didn't have classic symptoms of an infection.

And then again, it still might be unrelated.....

[CoachKandSportsguy]

Well, with the additional information we can speculate (repeat SPECULATE) a bit more:

It seems her problems began in the immediate post-op period, and her back pain may have been attributed to hobbling around on crutches with a boot on. So, let's SPECULATE that for whatever reason she actually had some Staph Aureus seeded into her bloodstream. This could be the precipitating factor for an infection such as a discitis or even a vertebral osteomyelitis, and it would not be unusual that the correct diagnosis isn't made until a few months later, especially if she didn't have classic symptoms of an infection.

And then again, it still might be unrelated.....

what you said! I agree proudly pointing to my google doc exam passing grade :evil6: she could have gotten the infection from the time in the boot, and not the operation for sure. . there are no facts to prove one way or the other, but m point was and still is, infection probabilities increase with surgeries, so make sure that you really need the surgery. ..

bacterias and viruses are the apex predators, so be careful what you wish for. .

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[Velvet]

No surgery! Unless you are in great pain. My mother had one toe done it felt so bad after the surgery she never considered the other toe.

[JMintzer]

No surgery! Unless you are in great pain. My mother had one toe done it felt so bad after the surgery she never considered the other toe.

While I empathize with your mother, it has little bearing on any other pt's decisions...

Every patient is different. Every patient will have a different outcome...

My nightmare patient is one who comes in after seeing her friend's bunion result that was textbook perfect.

The fact that it was only a moderate (but painful) deformity is irrelevant.

The new patient, who has a foot like Fred Flintstone, with a big toe that looks like an opposable thumb "wants exactly what her friend had"...

It's setting yourself up for failure... I politely explain that we're comparing two very different starting points and that you "can't make chick salad out of chicken sh*t" and try to get them to lower their expectations. Most times, I was successful...

God I'm glad I'm winding down my surgical practice and retiring soon!

[Velvet]

Yes, but without having an idea of the probability of the various outcomes I’d hedge my bets on the conservative side, personally.

[JMintzer]

Yes, but without having an idea of the probability of the various outcomes I’d hedge my bets on the conservative side, personally.

Any surgeon with a lick of decency will discuss the possibilities of risks and complications so the patient can make an informed decision...

[La lamy]

I had an injury which led to painful arthritis in right big toe. I'm not planning on surgery until the pain is unbearable.

[LizzieBorden]

Which surgery did you have as I understand there are two? Are you familiar with both surgeries?

[nob77@comcast.net]

Current position is not to get bunion surgery. Bunion is obvious, great toe angled, however other than cosmetic reasons I am not really having any problems. Been like that for a while, told it is hereditary.
Anyone have a similiar situation and just not get the surgery?

Absolutely hereditary.Had mine removed at 14. Then when I was in my late 40’s had my right one done due to pain. I ask the doctor to do them both at the same time. He would not because I was without pain in my left foot. Great advice.

[AggieMom]

Current position is not to get bunion surgery. Bunion is obvious, great toe angled, however other than cosmetic reasons I am not really having any problems. Been like that for a while, told it is hereditary.
Anyone have a similiar situation and just not get the surgery?

Just got cortisone shots in big toe joint due to arthritis. Dr. Wassell’s area of expertise is bunions and he said surgery is the last resort.

[Wondering]

Current position is not to get bunion surgery. Bunion is obvious, great toe angled, however other than cosmetic reasons I am not really having any problems. Been like that for a while, told it is hereditary.
Anyone have a similiar situation and just not get the surgery?
I am 77 years old and just noticed them on both feet the last two years. No pain, and why have surgery at my age?

[mydavid]

Current position is not to get bunion surgery. Bunion is obvious, great toe angled, however other than cosmetic reasons I am not really having any problems. Been like that for a while, told it is hereditary.
Anyone have a similiar situation and just not get the surgery?
My girlfriend had surgery for the same reason, ended up losing her big toe.

[golfing eagles]

Absolutely hereditary.Had mine removed at 14. Then when I was in my late 40’s had my right one done due to pain. I ask the doctor to do them both at the same time. He would not because I was without pain in my left foot. Great advice.

Absolutely hereditary?:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

While certain foot types are hereditary and may predispose to hallux valgus, the overwhelming majority of bunions are caused by years of high heels, ill fitting shoes and arthritis.

[sborlove]

Current position is not to get bunion surgery. Bunion is obvious, great toe angled, however other than cosmetic reasons I am not really having any problems. Been like that for a while, told it is hereditary.
Anyone have a similiar situation and just not get the surgery?

Wife just had foot surgery that included the Bunion being removed. Best move she has made...though just going through it her foot is now straight and looking forward to wearing regular shoes again. Look at the Rothman Group. NOT the Village dr. Dr. Reeves. Excellent bedside manner and his resident dr are like clones to him. Tentative and professional with mannerism and knowledge.

[cjky2k]

Current position is not to get bunion surgery. Bunion is obvious, great toe angled, however other than cosmetic reasons I am not really having any problems. Been like that for a while, told it is hereditary.
Anyone have a similiar situation and just not get the surgery?

I had similar two years ago - well maybe more like 3 now! Bunions showed up. We’re not painful. Very visible. My GP said to change my shoes before I worried about anything else! He said especially women often experience expanding feet as we age and not always notice. So I had my feet properly measured and moved up a half size so the ball of my foot was better positioned. Also took care to make sure the toe box was wide enough. Went up a full size in my walking shoes (as in exercise walking). Six months later my bunions had receded considerably and are now almost gone. Might not work for you if yours have been there a long time. Start with one new pair that you can wear almost all the time.
I used “healthyfeetstore.com” to measure my feet and then find shoes that worked. Good luck. Avoid any surgery if you can!! (Someone else said that as well and I agree!!)

[TVTVTV]

What is YMMV?

[OhioBuckeye]

That’s exactly what my wife was told, it very painful.

[Vicxyz]

Current position is not to get bunion surgery. Bunion is obvious, great toe angled, however other than cosmetic reasons I am not really having any problems. Been like that for a while, told it is hereditary.
Anyone have a similiar situation and just not get the surgery?

There are many natural remedies for bunions, just do a little research. A castor oil poultice applied often would likely work. Best of luck.

[golfing eagles]

There are many natural remedies for bunions, just do a little research. A castor oil poultice applied often would likely work. Best of luck.

I agree----best of luck with that:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Why not give howling at the moon a try as well:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Dr. Minter----ever cure hallux valgus with "castor oil poultice"?:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl: Perhaps eye of newt or chicken blood?

[Velvet]

There are many natural remedies for bunions, just do a little research. A castor oil poultice applied often would likely work. Best of luck.

Try toe separators, they are especially helpful before the bunion gets very large.

[Vicxyz]

I agree----best of luck with that:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Why not give howling at the moon a try as well:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Dr. Minter----ever cure hallux valgus with "castor oil poultice"?:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl: Perhaps eye of newt or chicken blood?

Spoken like a true big pharma shill. 🤑

[golfing eagles]

Spoken like a true big pharma shill. 🤑

Let’s see—-you have a professor of Internal Medicine and a specialist in foot surgery stating the “cure” you espoused is crap. So your opinion is based on superior education and experience???? Or you googled it😂😂😂

[Freeda]

I was told by a foot specialist that unless there is pain don't have an operation; because having an operative bunion fix can cause the foot to have pain.

[HandyGrandpap]

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[salpal]

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