Very interesting news from Russia.

[Two Bills]

Nasty spat developing in Russia!

Russia: Putin vows to punish Wagner's Prigozhin after military sites seized - BBC News (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-europe-66006142)

[John Mayes]

Nasty spat developing in Russia!

Russia: Putin vows to punish Wagner's Prigozhin after military sites seized - BBC News (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-europe-66006142)

I just read that. Could get very interesting!!

[Chi-Town]

The Wagner Group is the Dirty Dozen only 50,000.

[LuvNH]

Encouraging news, now who is going to rebuild Ukraine when this war is over? I don't think there will be much cash left in Russia, Putin is probably shipping it out of the country and has been for some time. .

[ThirdOfFive]

I can't remember the last time I intentionally read, heard or watched any news from that part of the world regarding the fighting between Russia and Ukraine, or any ancillary "news" generated as a result of it. No interest. They're two third-world countries ranked first and second among all the nations of Europe in total corruption.

They are also first cousins, often as not, historically speaking, part of the same country. Let them settle their differences however they will, without any interference from us--or any other country.

[JohnN]

Let them settle their differences however they will, without any interference from us--or any other country.

Nice to say, but that ship has sailed.. our country has already poured mega-billions $$$ into Ukraine, much less our contribution to rebuild the country.

[Boomer]

I just watched a brief bio of Prigozhin.

Takes one to know one…….

Scary stuff all around.

Boomer

[Kenswing]

I can't remember the last time I intentionally read, heard or watched any news from that part of the world regarding the fighting between Russia and Ukraine, or any ancillary "news" generated as a result of it. No interest. They're two third-world countries ranked first and second among all the nations of Europe in total corruption.

They are also first cousins, often as not, historically speaking, part of the same country. Let them settle their differences however they will, without any interference from us--or any other country.
The only problem with letting them solve their own problems is if we and other western countries hadn’t sent equipment and intelligence to Ukraine, Russia would have kept on going into the Baltics. Then we would be under treaty obligated to send troops. I would much rather send money and equipment to contain the conflict inside Ukraine. We don’t need to send our military off to fight another senseless war.

[margaretmattson]

The only problem with letting them solve their own problems is if we and other western countries hadn’t sent equipment and intelligence to Ukraine, Russia would have kept on going into the Baltics. Then we would be under treaty obligated to send troops. I would much rather send money and equipment to contain the conflict inside Ukraine. We don’t need to send our military off to fight another senseless war.

Well Said

[Boomer]

The only problem with letting them solve their own problems is if we and other western countries hadn’t sent equipment and intelligence to Ukraine, Russia would have kept on going into the Baltics. Then we would be under treaty obligated to send troops. I would much rather send money and equipment to contain the conflict inside Ukraine. We don’t need to send our military off to fight another senseless war.



Thanks for pointing out the big picture.

Boomer

[Taltarzac725]

Scary stuff.

[New Englander]

If Putin looses power will his replacement be worse?

[Two Bills]

If the western alliances had not helped Ukraine, all the old eastern block would have been vulnerable.
It still is.
Russia soaks up loss of life like a sponge. Manpower and numbers have never been a problem for them. Life is cheap, and expendable
Also remember, neither the Atlantic or the Pacific is a buffer for the US any more.
If WW3 kicked off, all of the country will be in range and a target.

[blueash]

From DailyKos which has multiple daily updates since the Ukraine invasion began

At 7PM in Moscow:

Lead elements of the Wagner mercenary force have reportedly reached Moscow Oblast and are continuing toward the city.
Bridges along the M4 highway have reportedly been blown to slow the mercenary army.
Putin’s plane has reportedly left Moscow and headed for his massive residence at Valday, about halfway between Moscow and Saint Petersburg.
Russian Deputy Prime Minister Denis Manturov has reportedly left the country for Turkey.
Fuel tanks around the city of Voronezh are burning after the Russian military bombed them to keep them out of Wagner’s hands.
Wagner leader Yevgeny Prigozhin has reportedly taken up residence in the former HQ of the Russian Southern Military Command at Rostov.
There are reports of Russian military forces departing Ukraine in an effort to stop Wagner, along with rumors that some of those forces intend to join Wagner.
It’s been less than 24 hours since Wagner leader Prigozhin indicated he would take his forces into Russia, and about 18 hours since the Kremlin responded with a call for a “criminal investigation.” All that now seems ridiculously dated. Events in Russia are moving fast.

[Boomer]

If the western alliances had not helped Ukraine, all the old eastern block would have been vulnerable.
It still is.
Russia soaks up loss of life like a sponge. Manpower and numbers have never been a problem for them. Life is cheap, and expendable
Also remember, neither the Atlantic or the Pacific is a buffer for the US any more.
If WW3 kicked off, all of the country will be in range and a target.


And there we have it -- reality check.

Boomer

[Two Bills]

Seems the Coup has been cancelled.
Try again next week?

[justjim]

And where are you getting your latest information?

[dewilson58]

Seems the Coup has been cancelled.
Try again next week?

He got a pay raise.

[Kenswing]

And where are you getting your latest information?
Wagner Group chief says he ordered his Russian mercenaries to halt march on Moscow | AP News (https://apnews.com/article/9acbdf1eda849692ca0423a4116058d1)

The head of the private Russian military company Wagner will move to neighboring Belarus as part of deal to defuse rebellion tensions and the criminal case against him will be closed, the Kremlin said Saturday.

Yevgeny Prigozhin’s troops who joined him in the uprising will not face prosecution and those who did not will be offered contracts by the Defense Ministry, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said.

After the deal was reached, Prigozhin said he was ordering his troops to halt their march on Moscow and retreat to field camps in Ukraine, where they have been fighting alongside Russian troops.

The deal appeared to defuse a dramatically escalating crisis that represented the most significant challenge to President Vladimir Putin in his more than two decades in power.

[Bjeanj]

I wonder how long before Prigozhin is assassinated?

[Taltarzac725]

These Russian events make those of the Romans pale in comparison.

Not really. Check out the Year of the Four Emperors in 69 AD. Year of the Four Emperors - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_of_the_Four_Emperors#:~:text=The%20Year%20of% 20the%20Four,dynasty%2C%20to%20the%20Flavian%20dyn asty).

Just think what would have happened if you payed with the wrong coins?

[Worldseries27]

i can't remember the last time i intentionally read, heard or watched any news from that part of the world regarding the fighting between russia and ukraine, or any ancillary "news" generated as a result of it. No interest. They're two third-world countries ranked first and second among all the nations of europe in total corruption.

They are also first cousins, often as not, historically speaking, part of the same country. Let them settle their differences however they will, without any interference from us--or any other country.
that ship has sailed

[Worldseries27]

if the western alliances had not helped ukraine, all the old eastern block would have been vulnerable.
It still is.
Russia soaks up loss of life like a sponge. Manpower and numbers have never been a problem for them. Life is cheap, and expendable
also remember, neither the atlantic or the pacific is a buffer for the us any more.
If ww3 kicked off, all of the country will be in range and a target.
that works both ways

[nsantelli]

Things have settled down in Russia. As long as the Russian Air Force stayed loyal to Putin, the Wagner troops did not have a chance of actually taking over. Interesting to note that the fall out between Putin and Prigozhin started in 2018. Putin ordered Progozhin to take over an oil field in Syria controlled by the Kurds. They were under US protection. Trump, via diplomatic and military channels warned Putin 3 times not to proceed. He did anyway and sent a large column of the Wagner group in without air cover and with only light armor support. Our troops open up with heavy artillery fire followed with helicopter gunships. Intelligence reports were all over the place in terms of casualties, but best guess at the time was 200 Wagner group KIA and many more wounded. There were no American casualties (which is why is did not make much news). About 90 of the KIA were Russian citizens, the others were mostly middle eastern. Since then there has been a steady decline in trust between the Wagner group and the Russian military which has been exacerbated by recent events in Ukraine.

[NotGolfer]

I read a link this morning that the U.S. offered P--something (don't know how to spell his name) was offered several BILLION $$$ to do a coup over Russia. He in turn told Valdimar thus they took the money and now have quit. More will be revealed no doubt. Nothing like putting the screws to our country...taking the money, the equipment etc.

[coconutmama]

I wonder how long before Prigozhin is asasaainated?

My thoughts exactly

[bowlingal]

Wagner will probably be found at the bottom of an elevator shaft

[Two Bills]

Wagner will probably be found at the bottom of an elevator shaft

Falling out of windows, and Polonium-210 are Putin's preferred methods.

[Two Bills]

I read a link this morning that the U.S. offered P--something (don't know how to spell his name) was offered several BILLION $$$ to do a coup over Russia. He in turn told Valdimar thus they took the money and now have quit. More will be revealed no doubt. Nothing like putting the screws to our country...taking the money, the equipment etc.

Interesting link. Not seen that one. Perhaps you could post it.
Are you referring to Volodymyr , or Vladimir taking the alleged money?

[dewilson58]

Wagner will probably be found at the bottom of an elevator shaft

The question is......................Will Wagner family be with him.

Wagner's family was probably used to stop him......now they all will die together.

[Vermilion Villager]

Interesting link. Not seen that one. Perhaps you could post it.
Are you referring to Volodymyr , or Vladimir taking the alleged money?

He can't because he just made it up:mornincoffee:

[Cobullymom]

Wagner Group chief says he ordered his Russian mercenaries to halt march on Moscow | AP News (https://apnews.com/article/9acbdf1eda849692ca0423a4116058d1)

The head of the private Russian military company Wagner will move to neighboring Belarus as part of deal to defuse rebellion tensions and the criminal case against him will be closed, the Kremlin said Saturday.

Yevgeny Prigozhin’s troops who joined him in the uprising will not face prosecution and those who did not will be offered contracts by the Defense Ministry, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said.

After the deal was reached, Prigozhin said he was ordering his troops to halt their march on Moscow and retreat to field camps in Ukraine, where they have been fighting alongside Russian troops.

The deal appeared to defuse a dramatically escalating crisis that represented the most significant challenge to President Vladimir Putin in his more than two decades in power.

That's what I had heard, so I was surprised at op original post...

[CoachKandSportsguy]

Since Prigozhin works for Putin, one is not sure if this coup is staged or not. . . Wagner has troops all over Africa for various Putin interests. Given Putin's history of misinformation, this whole shtick appears to the staged given the amount of world wide video coverage and the apparent quick resolution making Putin look weak. . don't fall for it immediately . .

The result is that all of Prigozhin's army moves to Belarus, which is closer to Kiev, and Putin hasn't given up yet.

Watch Putin closely, he tends to appear weak prior to major events to confuse the opposition / give them a false sense of security. . always be aware of false flags of events. . The free market press simps help Putin with the misinformation from KGB strategists. .

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[Siegfried]

It’s over.

[Two Bills]

That's what I had heard, so I was surprised at op original post...

When the OP was first posted, the non-coup had only just started.
The link is a rolling news cast, updated as events happened.
Go to beginning of link if you want to read full report and coverage.

[merrymini]

Sounds suspect to me but maybe if they eat each other, it would be amusing.