Interesting conversation today

[tophcfa]

I am currently up north in Massachusetts and went out to do some errands today. When I pulled into a parking lot a young women noticed I have Florida plates on my car and came over to strike up a conversation. I would put her in her late 20’s and she had a couple young kids with her. She said she loves Florida and wanted to know if I lived there, so I told her we have a second home in Florida. She asked where and I told her at a retirement community called the Villages. Her response was that her and her friends love that place and have been there several times and can’t wait to go back. She said they used to go to the beach towns but it has gotten too expensive, so they now rent AirBnB’s in the Villages so their kids can use all the beautiful pools and they can go to the town squares. She said it’s the cheapest way her and her friends can take their kids away on a family vacation in Florida and have access to so many fun things to do.

So much for the Villages being a 55+ retirement community with amenities reserved for its residents and guests. Something seriously needs to be done about this out of control AIRBnB thing! I’m not making this up!

[Michael 61]

I am currently up north in Massachusetts and went out to do some errands today. When I pulled into a parking lot a young women noticed I have Florida plates on my car and came over to strike up a conversation. I would put her in her late 20’s and she had a couple young kids with her. She said she loves Florida and wanted to know if I lived there, so I told her we have a second home in Florida. She asked where and I told her at a retirement community called the Villages. Her response was that her and her friends love that place and have been there several times and can’t wait to go back. She said they used to go to the beach towns but it has gotten too expensive, so they now rent AirBnB’s in the Villages so their kids can use all the beautiful pools and they can go to the town squares. She said it’s the cheapest way her and her friends can take their kids away on a family vacation in Florida and have access to so many fun things to do.



So much for the Villages being a 55+ retirement community with amenities reserved for its residents and guests. Something seriously needs to be done about this out of control AIRBnB thing! I’m not making this up!

Yep - there are quite a few Air BnB’s here I. The Village of Richmond - I see lots of young families here.

[oldtimes]

I am currently up north in Massachusetts and went out to do some errands today. When I pulled into a parking lot a young women noticed I have Florida plates on my car and came over to strike up a conversation. I would put her in her late 20’s and she had a couple young kids with her. She said she loves Florida and wanted to know if I lived there, so I told her we have a second home in Florida. She asked where and I told her at a retirement community called the Villages. Her response was that her and her friends love that place and have been there several times and can’t wait to go back. She said they used to go to the beach towns but it has gotten too expensive, so they now rent AirBnB’s in the Villages so their kids can use all the beautiful pools and they can go to the town squares. She said it’s the cheapest way her and her friends can take their kids away on a family vacation in Florida and have access to so many fun things to do.

So much for the Villages being a 55+ retirement community with amenities reserved for its residents and guests. Something seriously needs to be done about this out of control AIRBnB thing! I’m not making this up!

:agree: If I knew this when we bought here I would have bought elsewhere

[Altavia]

Troll alert....

[VApeople]

Troll alert....

No, these posters are not trolls. They are just people who point out facts that obviously make you uncomfortable.

[Pairadocs]

I am currently up north in Massachusetts and went out to do some errands today. When I pulled into a parking lot a young women noticed I have Florida plates on my car and came over to strike up a conversation. I would put her in her late 20’s and she had a couple young kids with her. She said she loves Florida and wanted to know if I lived there, so I told her we have a second home in Florida. She asked where and I told her at a retirement community called the Villages. Her response was that her and her friends love that place and have been there several times and can’t wait to go back. She said they used to go to the beach towns but it has gotten too expensive, so they now rent AirBnB’s in the Villages so their kids can use all the beautiful pools and they can go to the town squares. She said it’s the cheapest way her and her friends can take their kids away on a family vacation in Florida and have access to so many fun things to do.

So much for the Villages being a 55+ retirement community with amenities reserved for its residents and guests. Something seriously needs to be done about this out of control AIRBnB thing! I’m not making this up!

LOL, I'm not making this up either; you should have been at Churchill rec center two days ago. The pool was filled with teens, possibly high school senior (?) possibly college freshmen ? Males and females, many different ages and races, came in two or three extra large golf carts. At first I thought perhaps they were students from our charter high school just having a swim party. Lots of harmless (at first but got quite dangerous as the day went on) horse play (girls riding on the shoulders of boys, a lot of running and horse play on the deck bricks around pool, running full out and diving in the deepest end, shoving each other into the pool with.... another person ON THEIR SHOULDERS, but not really bothering any others, except it got very dangerous and went on for hours. Since it was impossible to read because they were very very loud, and because of the loud music at rec center pools, after a couple hours everyone had left, probably going to a smaller neighborhood that does not (usually) have younger people or outside music. After about 2 hours, I was the only adult left in the entire pool area and it was quite early yet. I was so close to the area that has the covering, the overhead fan, and several tables (where they had camped out for the day), that I could clearly hear their conversations as various ones used their cell phones. Apparently, they were at least 17, 19, but did have a few who seemed to be 15 or 16 but a brother or sister of one of the 18, 19 year olds. They had (again apparently) rented an entire home here, and drove down in a van, without parents, to celebrate high school graduation before going off to various colleges (it was easy to over hear their conversations about where they were heading this fall), but there were no adults over 21 with them the entire day, and, various ones would sit from time to time and call home, tell their parents what a great time they were having, and ask things like " what's going on in Chicago, is it hot ?" I quickly picked up that none of them were hear visiting grand parents. And they would talk about going to the squares for free entertainment every night, and how they were at one of pools right then but there were so many pools here, one young lady said, "mom, no, no, there is no way I'd ever be able to send a picture of every one of them (meaning so many pool". I was just amazed, thinking of the "old days" .....LOL... when I'd do to Saddle brook, or Pimlico, etc. and sure enough, I'd just get in the water and the "pool guard" would ask us to get out and please show them our resident cards or guess past if a guest, same over at El Santiago rec center, you had to show your ID at rec center pools just like at the country club pools. And our grown ADULT OVER 21 children could not go over to Pimlico or Saddle-brook swimming with out us ! Things have certainly changed. Over the Easter/Spring vacation I met some lovely young women for Indiana. All were students and on the university golf team. I talked with one of them at the Pilmico pool, she said for spring break, being none drug users and non drinkers, they had rented two large homes here, one with it's own pool, and they could sun and swim and play so many golf courses for half the price they could go to Mexico with the drugging and drinking crowd for spring break, and they loved the gyms that allow AB&B, etc. renters to pay daily and weekly fees so they were able to work out and stay in shape. The ones I met were such lovely young people and I told them, I follow golf closely, especially our USA collegiate young women who hope to make the tour one day ! I'm sure their parents were happy about the mature decision to just rent here and spend spring break staying in shape in a "relatively" safer environment ! I do believer things have changed so drastically since we bought a lot here and delayed building on it for a time, The Villages is well know all over the United States now, as one of the lowest priced (might not seem like that to us, the residents, but to others it's a real bargain) golf resorts in all of Florida, and again, I use the word "relatively" safe (as safe a place as any resort anywhere these days) place and all inclusive resort, except you have hundreds of food options or can prepare some of your own meals in the much better kitchens than any vacation condo we've ever rented ! It's gone from a sleepy little senior community to a very desirable and affordable resort.

[Pairadocs]

:agree: If I knew this when we bought here I would have bought elsewhere

We "probably" would have too, but, thinking rationally, not emotionally, there was no way to know how popular the resort aspect, (all inclusive golf, plus all the lessons, classes, activities open to anyone as long as they are registered renters) would become, here, and any other places we considered. We have relatives who chose a 55 plus life style community in Arkansas, and relatives who also chose a senior life style and golf community in Tennessee. BOTH are now experiencing a number of very unpleasant experiences since one of the communities does have a list of restrictions on owners renting out: renters must also be 55 or older, no rental periods of less than a month, must PURCHASE a separate "gate pass" no matter how short the visit, but, NONE of these are enforced, in fact, the local police do NOT enforce community restrictions and rules, and the community HOA administration never made ANY plan for enforcement of these "restrictions" and employ NO "enforcers"... so as they told us, "it was all smoke and mirrors". They other relative in a Tennessee senior golf community turned out to have no actual restrictions, the administration tells them at the time the development began, they had no idea that sometime in the future there would be Verbo, or AB&B, and other such businesses. So, though we agree, we don't beat ourselves up over our "mistake", it's happening all over, and all over Florida too ! We had friends who moved to Margarittaville near Daytona. Loved it, now they tell us it's just like here, more a resort than the senior, age restricted planned community it represented itself to be. So same there, nightly rentals, weekly rentals ... they don't like it all !

[JGibson]

Good thing I'm not married to TV, if it gets to bad I would find a real gated community and just pay for my golf.

I don't even really go to the Squares in the winter anymore because it gets so crowded and to hot in the summer.

Even the gyms in TV has gotten so crowded with a much younger crowd trying to be the next Arnold.

Yeah, I can see TV becoming one big Time Share. Sad, but true.

[Bay Kid]

Better than going to Disney. My grandchildren prefer to come to The Villages.

[margaretmattson]

Good thing I'm not married to TV, if it gets to bad I would find a real gated community and just pay for my golf.

I don't even really go to the Squares in the winter anymore because it gets so crowded and to hot in the summer.

Even the gyms in TV has gotten so crowded with a much younger crowd trying to be the next Arnold.

Yeah, I can see TV becoming one big Time Share. Sad, but true.
I am beginning to dread the building of new homes which will be nearest to Eastport. I think investors will be all over that! Homes near squares are quite profitable.

[cmcaputo77]

:agree: If I knew this when we bought here I would have bought elsewhere

You would not have. How do families, at the family pools interfere with your peace and joy? You love that they exist because it gives you another thing to complain about.

[cmcaputo77]

I am beginning to dread the building of new homes which will be nearest to Eastport. I think investors will be all over that! Homes near squares are quite profitable.

Homes near squares are not profitable? That is dumb and not factual. Check selling stats and where people like to rent. They are profitable for investors and appreciate very well for the owner.

[Craig Vernon]

I believe the investment value of the Villages is dropping fast, increases in all expenses make a new purchase very tough if not impossible to profit from. The answer for now is short term rentals, Airbnb, ****, etc. to make ends meet. The other end of the argument is that this is why property values are currently so bloated and once the investment losses are realized be prepared for lower and more normal home values. I hope for the latter because the Villages have priced themselves out of the 55 and over market for high saving seniors as they made their hay on over the years. Enjoy what you have because you are blessed to be a Villager.

[kenpoboy]

I guess none of the people on this post were every teenagers. I can only wish I had a place like this to come and see my grandparents/parents, knowing that they are in a happy, safe community. These are visitors, not residents......if it's really that hard to deal with, move..... please.

[Normal]

I am beginning to dread the building of new homes which will be nearest to Eastport. I think investors will be all over that! Homes near squares are quite profitable.

But, it will steer the younger rental customers away from senior areas. It will be much more desirable to rent near a group your own age than rent 20 miles away where all there are are old people.

[rustyp]

I am currently up north in Massachusetts and went out to do some errands today. When I pulled into a parking lot a young women noticed I have Florida plates on my car and came over to strike up a conversation. She said they used to go to the beach towns but it has gotten too expensive, so they now rent AirBnB’s in the Villages so their kids can use all the beautiful pools and they can go to the town squares. She said it’s the cheapest way her and her friends can take their kids away on a family vacation in Florida and have access to so many fun things to do.


A very resourceful millennial.

[oldtimes]

You would not have. How do families, at the family pools interfere with your peace and joy? You love that they exist because it gives you another thing to complain about.

It’s not just the people at the pools. It is the constant coming and going of people who do not follow the rules, park all over the street, have loud parties and disrupt what was sold to us as an over 55 retirement community.

[Keninches]

Ironic, I had the same conversation with a sales clerk in a department store yesterday in Virginia. She asked where I lived and I said The Villages. She responded with “we go there all the time with the kids.” Airbnb.
We have 2 Airbnbs 3 houses down from us. Different People in and out all the time.
One is owned by an investor who lives in Naples, Fl.
Nothing will ever be done, it’s too out of control.

[rsmurano]

If the crowd is underage, then why didn’t someone go to the rec center and have the attendant check for id’s? They do this at the pickleball courts and they should be doing this more all around the villages. If people are running around the pools, report them. If they are having fun, and they have id’s, let them have fun

[CoachKandSportsguy]

We have relatives who chose a 55 plus life style community in Arkansas, and relatives who also chose a senior life style and golf community in Tennessee. BOTH are now experiencing a number of very unpleasant experiences since one of the communities does have a list of restrictions on owners renting out: renters must also be 55 or older, no rental periods of less than a month, must PURCHASE a separate "gate pass" no matter how short the visit, but, NONE of these are enforced, in fact, the local police do NOT enforce community restrictions and rules, and the community HOA administration never made ANY plan for enforcement of these "restrictions" and employ NO "enforcers"... so as they told us, So same there, nightly rentals, weekly rentals ... they don't like it all !

Well, here are a few current Air B&B statistics to support that the fad may be over,
OR that the Air B&B owners are leaving one area to find other areas which are more profitable

:censored: :censored: :censored:

[golfing eagles]

I guess none of the people on this post were every teenagers. I can only wish I had a place like this to come and see my grandparents/parents, knowing that they are in a happy, safe community. These are visitors, not residents......if it's really that hard to deal with, move..... please.

Please tell us you are NOT serious. A place for TEENAGERS to come. The OP is NOT talking about well-behaved kids visiting grandparents, she is talking about groups of UNRELATED teens RENTING short term at Airbnb's in TV, an ostensibly 55+ community. Maybe you should try living next to one of these flop houses where unruly vacationers break the rules, party to 3 AM, park in your driveway and disrespect your property.

Something needs to be done before it is too late.

[Villagesgal]

I'm glad I live in the north end, very few airbnb and verbos. Hardly any problem with too many young people ar the pools, they like it down south and we like it that way.

[msilagy]

Wow - you begrudge others of enjoying the villages by renting an airbnb with young children? Sounds like the kind of villager I would not want to know. Life is for everyone, not just the privileged (at least you think you are) that live in the "city" called The Villages. I, too, own homes there and up north. I would welcome that lady and her children anytime. Sad how "old" people become. This is one big reason I could never live in TV full time - I welcome the joy younger people bring to life and love to hear their aspirations and dreams in a conversation.

[BobGraves]

Each area has "family pools, adult pools, and sports pools". I'm pretty sure renters are given passes but that still doesn't allow them to go to the adult or sports pools. If you go to a family pool, chances are there are going to be kids there. So why not just go to one of the others. On a side note... I was at an adult pool where a guy in his 70's had a blue tooth speaker turned up pretty loud playing 1940's and 1950's music (it must have been a playlist because there was no DJ talking). He got in the pool floating around while his tunes blasted over the village's radio being played. So it's not just kids who can disrupt ''your time'' at the pool. I happen to like listening to the villages radio. It's played at an appropriate level. They play a nice assortment of songs and I get to hear what's going on in the villages. Some of us enjoy seeing kids having fun. I think it keeps me young (but maybe just in my mind). LoL. Parking and parties etc. should be handled by law enforcement so I guess you could be that person and drop a dime on them.

[golfing eagles]

Wow - you begrudge others of enjoying the villages by renting an airbnb with young children? Sounds like the kind of villager I would not want to know. Life is for everyone, not just the privileged (at least you think you are) that live in the "city" called The Villages. I, too, own homes there and up north. I would welcome that lady and her children anytime. Sad how "old" people become. This is one big reason I could never live in TV full time - I welcome the joy younger people bring to life and love to hear their aspirations and dreams in a conversation.

Another delusional post devoid of a basis in reality. YES I begrudge "others" renting short term with children. This is a 55+ community, not a playground for children. If you enjoy " the joy younger people bring to life", move to a community that has that demographic. But DO NOT buy here and try to change TV into something YOU like. Again, we're not talking about grandkids visiting for a week or 2, we are talking about loud, obnoxious short term renters who couldn't care less about their neighbors or this community.

[ThirdOfFive]

Please tell us you are NOT serious. A place for TEENAGERS to come. The OP is NOT talking about well-behaved kids visiting grandparents, she is talking about groups of UNRELATED teens RENTING short term at Airbnb's in TV, an ostensibly 55+ community. Maybe you should try living next to one of these flop houses where unruly vacationers break the rules, party to 3 AM, park in your driveway and disrespect your property.

Something needs to be done before it is too late.
Indeed.

What?

[Wondering]

I am currently up north in Massachusetts and went out to do some errands today. When I pulled into a parking lot a young women noticed I have Florida plates on my car and came over to strike up a conversation. I would put her in her late 20’s and she had a couple young kids with her. She said she loves Florida and wanted to know if I lived there, so I told her we have a second home in Florida. She asked where and I told her at a retirement community called the Villages. Her response was that her and her friends love that place and have been there several times and can’t wait to go back. She said they used to go to the beach towns but it has gotten too expensive, so they now rent AirBnB’s in the Villages so their kids can use all the beautiful pools and they can go to the town squares. She said it’s the cheapest way her and her friends can take their kids away on a family vacation in Florida and have access to so many fun things to do.

So much for the Villages being a 55+ retirement community with amenities reserved for its residents and guests. Something seriously needs to be done about this out of control AIRBnB thing! I’m not making this up!
I thought we live in a "Free State". Therefore, people are free to rent to whomever they wish!

[MandoMan]

LOL, I'm not making this up either; you should have been at Churchill rec center two days ago. The pool was filled with teens, possibly high school senior (?) possibly college freshmen ? Males and females, many different ages and races, came in two or three extra large golf carts. At first I thought perhaps they were students from our charter high school just having a swim party. Lots of harmless (at first but got quite dangerous as the day went on) horse play (girls riding on the shoulders of boys, a lot of running and horse play on the deck bricks around pool, running full out and diving in the deepest end, shoving each other into the pool with.... another person ON THEIR SHOULDERS, but not really bothering any others, except it got very dangerous and went on for hours. Since it was impossible to read because they were very very loud, and because of the loud music at rec center pools, after a couple hours everyone had left, probably going to a smaller neighborhood that does not (usually) have younger people or outside music. After about 2 hours, I was the only adult left in the entire pool area and it was quite early yet. I was so close to the area that has the covering, the overhead fan, and several tables (where they had camped out for the day), that I could clearly hear their conversations as various ones used their cell phones. Apparently, they were at least 17, 19, but did have a few who seemed to be 15 or 16 but a brother or sister of one of the 18, 19 year olds. They had (again apparently) rented an entire home here, and drove down in a van, without parents, to celebrate high school graduation before going off to various colleges (it was easy to over hear their conversations about where they were heading this fall), but there were no adults over 21 with them the entire day, and, various ones would sit from time to time and call home, tell their parents what a great time they were having, and ask things like " what's going on in Chicago, is it hot ?" I quickly picked up that none of them were hear visiting grand parents. And they would talk about going to the squares for free entertainment every night, and how they were at one of pools right then but there were so many pools here, one young lady said, "mom, no, no, there is no way I'd ever be able to send a picture of every one of them (meaning so many pool". I was just amazed, thinking of the "old days" .....LOL... when I'd do to Saddle brook, or Pimlico, etc. and sure enough, I'd just get in the water and the "pool guard" would ask us to get out and please show them our resident cards or guess past if a guest, same over at El Santiago rec center, you had to show your ID at rec center pools just like at the country club pools. And our grown ADULT OVER 21 children could not go over to Pimlico or Saddle-brook swimming with out us ! Things have certainly changed. Over the Easter/Spring vacation I met some lovely young women for Indiana. All were students and on the university golf team. I talked with one of them at the Pilmico pool, she said for spring break, being none drug users and non drinkers, they had rented two large homes here, one with it's own pool, and they could sun and swim and play so many golf courses for half the price they could go to Mexico with the drugging and drinking crowd for spring break, and they loved the gyms that allow AB&B, etc. renters to pay daily and weekly fees so they were able to work out and stay in shape. The ones I met were such lovely young people and I told them, I follow golf closely, especially our USA collegiate young women who hope to make the tour one day ! I'm sure their parents were happy about the mature decision to just rent here and spend spring break staying in shape in a "relatively" safer environment ! I do believer things have changed so drastically since we bought a lot here and delayed building on it for a time, The Villages is well know all over the United States now, as one of the lowest priced (might not seem like that to us, the residents, but to others it's a real bargain) golf resorts in all of Florida, and again, I use the word "relatively" safe (as safe a place as any resort anywhere these days) place and all inclusive resort, except you have hundreds of food options or can prepare some of your own meals in the much better kitchens than any vacation condo we've ever rented ! It's gone from a sleepy little senior community to a very desirable and affordable resort.

That’s scary. We all know what the Spring Break crowd does in parts of Florida. Often 8-12 kids will rent a two or three bedroom house, and they don’t really care about how much they damage it or how much noise they make. Some will be nice, but they are there to party. This could get out of hand fast here. There may be owners willing to rent for a week to a crowd of partiers for twice or three times the normal rental rate and even provide daily stacks of towels and spend $500 a week on clean-up. And they won’t care about the neighbors. The money is too good.

We need strictly enforced rental rules, such as 55 or older only, two people to a house, no children, two renter max access to golf courses, etc. That would be bearable. Not great, but bearable. And heavy fines for owners who don’t follow the rules.

[Whitley]

I thought we live in a "Free State". Therefore, people are free to rent to whomever they wish!

Not exactly. You have to follow the rules that you read prior to purchase. Communities can place restrictions on number of rentals per year, minimum rental period (ie 30 days). I can tell you the rules for changing governing docs in an HOA and COA, however TV is a POA.

[JGibson]

Even if they pass some restrictions, they would be nearly impossible to enforce when it comes to short-term renters.

Most are just private business transactions which probably include cash, no paper trail, and probably not paying taxes on it.

These people are in and out so fast by the time somebody investigated these folks are gone.

Especially with the size of TV it would never be enforceable and they’re not going to waste resources trying to enforce it.

So either you live with it or move to a smaller community where it would be enforceable.

[Bill1701]

Other than the loud parties, everything you complain about is done by Villagers.

[golfing eagles]

Indeed.

What?

A number of possibilities. The state cannot restrict rentals, but local government can. We could do what Clearwater did----no rentals less than 30 days.

In the meantime, the easiest solution is for TV to deny visitor/rental passes unless you can prove you are renting for a month or more---this does not mean visiting grandkids staying in a house for free---just STR's from homes bought as an "investment" to the detriment of the rest of us.

The poster above questioned enforcement. The "developer" would have no idea who is renting short term, but certainly could monitor Airbnb and **** advertisements. And neighbors will have an idea of what is going on as well.

addendum: Looks like the acronym for vacation rent@ls by 0wner is just as forbidden as the not to be named news site.

[ThirdOfFive]

A number of possibilities. The state cannot restrict rentals, but local government can. We could do what Clearwater did----no rentals less than 30 days.

In the meantime, the easiest solution is for TV to deny visitor/rental passes unless you can prove you are renting for a month or more---this does not mean visiting grandkids staying in a house for free---just STR's from homes bought as an "investment" to the detriment of the rest of us.

The poster above questioned enforcement. The "developer" would have no idea who is renting short term, but certainly could monitor Airbnb and **** advertisements. And neighbors will have an idea of what is going on as well.

addendum: Looks like the acronym for vacation rent@ls by 0wner is just as forbidden as the not to be named news site.
I personally wouldn't mind seeing such things happen, but (knowing very little about law myself) wouldn't such moves open the powers-that-be to some kind of legal action? There are apparently a lot of people in TV and other places who bought homes in TV for just that purpose. Having the rug pulled out from under them when they made their initial investment in good faith would mean that a whole lot more than just feelings would be hurt.

I can see where drawing the line now and prohibiting FUTURE purchases being used for Airb&bs could be looked at, but trying to stuff this particular genie back in the bottle would seem to be a daunting task to say the very least.

[golfing eagles]

I personally wouldn't mind seeing such things happen, but (knowing very little about law myself) wouldn't such moves open the powers-that-be to some kind of legal action? There are apparently a lot of people in TV and other places who bought homes in TV for just that purpose. Having the rug pulled out from under them when they made their initial investment in good faith would mean that a whole lot more than just feelings would be hurt.

I can see where drawing the line now and prohibiting FUTURE purchases being used for Airb&bs could be looked at, but trying to stuff this particular genie back in the bottle would seem to be a daunting task to say the very least.

Maybe. And maybe there is an ace in the hole. Residential sections of TV are zoned for single family residential use. While renting probably does not constitute a "business" run out of a home, renting to 2 or more unrelated people may very well violate the zoning laws. This might not get rid of a family with children, but would keep the more destructive spring breakers/teenagers/party animals out.

[Mazjaz]

It’s not out of control and we like having a mix of younger people around.

[azcindy]

I currently live in a 55+ community in Arizona (will be moving to the Villages soon). Our community has rules that rentals have to be at least 30 days and at least one renter has to be 55 or older. It is an HOA community, but this policy seems to work really well.

[golfing eagles]

It’s not out of control and we like having a mix of younger people around.

So move somewhere with younger people, TV is NOT that place

[GizmoWhiskers]

I am currently up north in Massachusetts and went out to do some errands today. When I pulled into a parking lot a young women noticed I have Florida plates on my car and came over to strike up a conversation. I would put her in her late 20’s and she had a couple young kids with her. She said she loves Florida and wanted to know if I lived there, so I told her we have a second home in Florida. She asked where and I told her at a retirement community called the Villages. Her response was that her and her friends love that place and have been there several times and can’t wait to go back. She said they used to go to the beach towns but it has gotten too expensive, so they now rent AirBnB’s in the Villages so their kids can use all the beautiful pools and they can go to the town squares. She said it’s the cheapest way her and her friends can take their kids away on a family vacation in Florida and have access to so many fun things to do.

So much for the Villages being a 55+ retirement community with amenities reserved for its residents and guests. Something seriously needs to be done about this out of control AIRBnB thing! I’m not making this up!
Yep, ONE DAY someone will organize an effort to hold T V Deed Compliance responsible for ABnB short term rental BUSINESSES being run out of villa homes and houses. Rentals less than 6 months require Florida Business Licenses (unless owner is still in the home renting say one bedroom) therefore making ABnB a business when deed restrictions say no.

[Normal]

This is out of control. Anything rented less than 30 days should be banned. ABNBs, Verbos etc. are all counter intuitive to retirement peace and tranquility vibes.

[GizmoWhiskers]

Indeed.

What?
Hmmmm, well if people struggling with the ABnB nextdoor to them who have had direct documentable hardship / damages as a result of the ABnB business being run from a deed restricted proprty join say a class action... just sayin the T V has a duty to honor their own deed restrictions...

[oldtimes]

It’s not out of control and we like having a mix of younger people around.

Then what is the point of having over 55 retirement communities if they are no different than anyplace else? Our expectation was that we would be living in a quiet, protected environment with other retirees not a destination for spring break.

[pauld315]

I have been advocating for years that we need rental restrictions. You can all see how out of hand this has gotten for a 55+ community.

[DonnaNi4os]

Having lived here for almost six years I can tell you that there has been AB&B here for at least that long. I had a neighbor who had a revolving door during the times she wasn’t here. Fortunately there were no real issues. I doubt that the powers that be would discourage the practice as these people use the facilities and spend their money here. It also could lead to said renters deciding to purchase a home here in TV. Don’t misunderstand my meaning, I didn’t like having a virtual motel across the street.

[MX rider]

Another delusional post devoid of a basis in reality. YES I begrudge "others" renting short term with children. This is a 55+ community, not a playground for children. If you enjoy " the joy younger people bring to life", move to a community that has that demographic. But DO NOT buy here and try to change TV into something YOU like. Again, we're not talking about grandkids visiting for a week or 2, we are talking about loud, obnoxious short term renters who couldn't care less about their neighbors or this community.

Well said!

[llaran]

Then what is the point of having over 55 retirement communities if they are no different than anyplace else? Our expectation was that we would be living in a quiet, protected environment with other retirees not a destination for spring break.

We are a city of 150,000 and have some of the same problems as all cities, remember Federal law says
80% 55 or over, what about the other 20%?

[golfing eagles]

We are a city of 150,000 and have some of the same problems as all cities, remember Federal law says
80% 55 or over, what about the other 20%?

Not the issue. The issue is STRs and the problems they create

[LuvNH]

Please tell us you are NOT serious. A place for TEENAGERS to come. The OP is NOT talking about well-behaved kids visiting grandparents, she is talking about groups of UNRELATED teens RENTING short term at Airbnb's in TV, an ostensibly 55+ community. Maybe you should try living next to one of these flop houses where unruly vacationers break the rules, party to 3 AM, park in your driveway and disrespect your property.

Something needs to be done before it is too late.

I completely agree with your comments; however, I believe it is way too late. This business of buying for rental should have been controlled from the very beginning. When we moved here almost 20 yrs ago people were buying three or four homes for rentals and living elsewhere in gated communities. I know that some of the sales agents are among the biggest offenders when it comes to owning rentals, my own sales agent owns several.

Before buying in TV we rented for several years in Redington Shores on the Gulf. That strip was lined with rental motels and condos. Then a beautiful block of condos went up, selling for over a million each. They had a list of restrictions that would choke a horse and one of them was absolutely no rentals, none. Owner occupied only. It remains a beautiful block of condos while rental places are run down.

If you lose your good name it is very hard to get it back.

[oldtimes]

We are a city of 150,000 and have some of the same problems as all cities, remember Federal law says
80% 55 or over, what about the other 20%?

According to the deed restrictions they are supposed to be for hardship exceptions:

The Developer or its designee in its sole discretion
shall have the right to establish hardship exceptions to permit individuals between the ages of nineteen (I 9) and fifty-
five (55) to permanently reside in a Home even though there is not a permanent resident in the Home who is fifty-
five (55) years of age or over, providing that said exceptions shall not be permitted in situations where the granting
of a hardship exception would result in less than 80% of the Homesites in the Subdivision having less than one
resident fifty-five (55) years of age or older, it being the intent that at least 80% of the units shall at all times have
at least one resident fifty-five (55) years of age or older.

[Cindysum90]

Seems like the developers want more families here. They are now putting in more family pools than adult pools

[golfing eagles]

Seems like the developers want more families here. They are now putting in more family pools than adult pools

Yep, that must be what "the developers" want. More families, more children, dilute the over 55 population to under 80% so they lose their federal 55+ status and abandon the business model that made this place an overwhelming success. Yep, that must be it :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[oldtimes]

Yep, that must be what "the developers" want. More families, more children, dilute the over 55 population to under 80% so they lose their federal 55+ status and abandon the business model that made this place an overwhelming success. Yep, that must be it :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Actually I checked with HUD and they have not taken any Federal money so the over 55 designation is just a joke

[Bill Dozer]

These rentals can be a problem for neighborhood. Two summers ago, an investor rented a villa to 4 adults plus 4 children for two weeks. It was havoc in the neighborhood. Children aged from 10 to 14 were riding the golf cart pulling others on skateboards. Bikes everywhere with kids screaming etc, etc.
Their vacation was a nuisance for the rest of the neighborhood. As for the OP, to the best of my knowledge, all guests must have a Pass plus a picture ID and the owner must be at the pool when they attend. Guest passes are different than resident id's. The OP should have went into the Rec Center and asked for someone to check for guest passes and ask for the resident owner or Renter. As for Town Squares, residency is not required. We have regulations pertaining to renters and the owner is responsible to make them aware of them.

[Normal]

Enforcement of deed restrictions needs to be done. No one is permitted to run a business out of their home here. You have customers going in and out while cleaning services work to maintain the rental shells. Florida law states a persons residing in a home temporarily isn’t legally a tenant until 10 days have lapsed. Therefore these rental customers as ABNB calls them should be evicted. Cash is being exchanged, contracts are signed, it isn’t a major leap to infer business is occurring.

[golfing eagles]

Enforcement of deed restrictions needs to be done. No one is permitted to run a business out of their home here. You have customers going in and out while cleaning services work to maintain the rental shells. Florida law states a persons residing in a home temporarily isn’t legally a tenant until 10 days have lapsed. Therefore these rental customers as ABNB calls them should be evicted. Cash is being exchanged, contracts are signed, it isn’t a major leap to infer business is occurring.

Interesting. There has been some debate as to whether or not renting out a house is a business. I would think that an Airbnb, advertised on Airbnb's (a business) website might meet the definition. But we also have to consider any impact on renting out for 1 month or greater, which very few of us have a problem with.

[oldtimes]

Interesting. There has been some debate as to whether or not renting out a house is a business. I would think that an Airbnb, advertised on Airbnb's (a business) website might meet the definition. But we also have to consider any impact on renting out for 1 month or greater, which very few of us have a problem with.

Unfortunately the internal deed restrictions aren’t worth the paper they’re printed on if the developer chooses not to enforce them. This is something anyone planning to move here should consider. I just wish I knew before I bought.

[Sandy and Ed]

No, these posters are not trolls. They are just people who point out facts that obviously make you uncomfortable.
Agree. Stage one of “gaslighting”

[NJRICHARD]

DAYTONA BEACH, SPRING BREAK, ETC., IT ALL STARTS SMALL

It's amazing to me that there are always what I call the 70 yr old 'Love Children' who just wants everyone to get along. Remember it starts with a few Spring Break college 'kids' renting for a week or two. THEY TALK to their friends and once that starts the ball rolling it is very difficult to stop. The Committe? (MUST) define the 'revised' regulations NOW before it gets out of control. Money does funny things to all people, like the Golf Rush, it happens very quickly and before you know it this place is filled with college 'kids', familieS with kids and party people that will change this environment very fast. WALK in the SHOES of those who experienced it before criticizing them.

[oldtimes]

DAYTONA BEACH, SPRING BREAK, ETC., IT ALL STARTS SMALL

It's amazing to me that there are always what I call the 70 yr old 'Love Children' who just wants everyone to get along. Remember it starts with a few Spring Break college 'kids' renting for a week or two. THEY TALK to their friends and once that starts the ball rolling it is very difficult to stop. The Committe? (MUST) define the 'revised' regulations NOW before it gets out of control. Money does funny things to all people, like the Golf Rush, it happens very quickly and before you know it this place is filled with college 'kids', familieS with kids and party people that will change this environment very fast. WALK in the SHOES of those who experienced it before criticizing them.

You can revise the regulations any which way you want but if the developer will not enforce them it doesn't matter. I have investigated this as thoroughly as possible and contacted many officials. I even contacted HUD. I was told by all that this is a "landlord-tenant issue". In other words only the developer can change anything.

[VApeople]

They are now putting in more family pools than adult pools

Not necessarily.

The Sawgrass area only has adult pools - St. Catherine, Cason Hammock, and Citrus Grove.

Just past there they have only family pools - Homestead and Franklin. You have to go all the way to Dabney to find an adult pool.

I have no idea who plans this out.

[Happydaz]

After looking at the list of Airbnb houses for rent in The Villages I was surprised at how low the prices were. $95 to over $200 per night. Getting three bedrooms is a bargain at $200 per night. You could have two young families come down to rent a house and use the amenities or use it as a home base for local Florida trips. Three hotel rooms would cost over $450 per night and they wouldn’t have a living room or kitchen. It is the best deal for groups of young singles or families I have seen in a long time. Just go on to the Airbnb site and see the nice homes you can rent for a night or two in The Villages.

[oldtimes]

We are a city of 150,000 and have some of the same problems as all cities, remember Federal law says
80% 55 or over, what about the other 20%?

Actually since the developer has not received any money from the federal government even the 80/20 rule can be ignored if the developer so chooses. They are not subject to HUD regulations. The over 55 retirement designation seems to be for marketing purposes only.

[Normal]

Actually since the developer has not received any money from the federal government even the 80/20 rule can be ignored if the developer so chooses. They are not subject to HUD regulations. The over 55 retirement designation seems to be for marketing purposes only.

Yet if they don’t comply, they can be sued by the sum of those who were lied to when purchasing. It would be construed as false advertising.

[oldtimes]

Yet if they don’t comply, they can be sued by the sum of those who were lied to when purchasing. It would be construed as false advertising.

The problem is how do you calculate the data. It is easy to track owners and occupants but how can you track all of the homes owned by investors, especially if they are renting by the day? There is no way to know at any given time who is living there.

[golfing eagles]

The problem is how do you calculate the data. It is easy to track owners and occupants but how can you track all of the homes owned by investors, especially if they are renting by the day? There is no way to know at any given time who is living there.

"They" know when they issue amenity passes

[Bill14564]

Actually since the developer has not received any money from the federal government even the 80/20 rule can be ignored if the developer so chooses. They are not subject to HUD regulations. The over 55 retirement designation seems to be for marketing purposes only.

It seems like you don't understand what HOPA is about. Receiving HUD money is not a requirement of HOPA and does not affect the 80/20 rule. HOPA provides an exemption against discrimination on familial status, it does not necessarily provide a guarantee that your neighbors are all 55+.

Here is a Fair Housing Act (https://www.hud.gov/program_offices/fair_housing_equal_opp/fair_housing_act_housing_older_persons)page on HOPA.

And here is a HUD FAQ (https://www.hud.gov/sites/documents/DOC_7769.PDF) on HOPA.

HOPA requires that 80% of occupied homes have a resident 55 or older. If you want to argue that a short term renter does not qualify as a tenant then that home must be considered as unoccupied and not part of the 80/20 equation.

As far as enforcing internal deed restrictions, read the Enforcement section of your deed restrictions. According to the agreement you signed, the Developer is not obligated to enforce any restrictions. On the other hand, "All Owners shall have the right and duty to prosecute at law...." Rather than waiting for the Developer to take action, exercise your right and duty to take action yourself.

[oldtimes]

It seems like you don't understand what HOPA is about. Receiving HUD money is not a requirement of HOPA and does not affect the 80/20 rule. HOPA provides an exemption against discrimination on familial status, it does not necessarily provide a guarantee that your neighbors are all 55+.

Here is a Fair Housing Act (https://www.hud.gov/program_offices/fair_housing_equal_opp/fair_housing_act_housing_older_persons)page on HOPA.

And here is a HUD FAQ (https://www.hud.gov/sites/documents/DOC_7769.PDF) on HOPA.

HOPA requires that 80% of occupied homes have a resident 55 or older. If you want to argue that a short term renter does not qualify as a tenant then that home must be considered as unoccupied and not part of the 80/20 equation.

As far as enforcing internal deed restrictions, read the Enforcement section of your deed restrictions. According to the agreement you signed, the Developer is not obligated to enforce any restrictions. On the other hand, "All Owners shall have the right and duty to prosecute at law...." Rather than waiting for the Developer to take action, exercise your right and duty to take action yourself.

Seems futile.

[tophcfa]

Seems futile.

And expensive.

[coffeebean]

Please tell us you are NOT serious. A place for TEENAGERS to come. The OP is NOT talking about well-behaved kids visiting grandparents, she is talking about groups of UNRELATED teens RENTING short term at Airbnb's in TV, an ostensibly 55+ community. Maybe you should try living next to one of these flop houses where unruly vacationers break the rules, party to 3 AM, park in your driveway and disrespect your property.

Something needs to be done before it is too late.

Seriously? These kids park in other people's driveways?

[coffeebean]

Another delusional post devoid of a basis in reality. YES I begrudge "others" renting short term with children. This is a 55+ community, not a playground for children. If you enjoy " the joy younger people bring to life", move to a community that has that demographic. But DO NOT buy here and try to change TV into something YOU like. Again, we're not talking about grandkids visiting for a week or 2, we are talking about loud, obnoxious short term renters who couldn't care less about their neighbors or this community.

This 10000 times. Actually, that is not enough zeros!

[tophcfa]

Seriously? These kids park in other people's driveways?

They were using our driveway when we were up north thinking we wouldn’t know. A neighbor took pictures and contacted me and I quickly put a stop to it, but not before my driveway got a few oil stains from a leaking piece of junk. Once they stopped using my driveway, they parked in front of our home and one a$$hole pulled partially onto our front lawn and crushed a sprinkler head. Transient short term renters often have absolutely no regard for the piece and tranquility of an otherwise single family residential neighborhood. People living in crowded urban city areas seem to have no problem with the likes of AirBnB’s, but they don’t fit in with quiet residential neighborhoods, especially in a retirement community. Thankfully the bad neighbor running the AirBnB in our neighborhood moved out, much to the pleasure of everyone else.

[Papa_lecki]

Yet if they don’t comply, they can be sued by the sum of those who were lied to when purchasing. It would be construed as false advertising.

Let me know how that lawsuit works out

[tuccillo]

Do you know if the owners of the AirBnBs typically arrange for the renters to get Visitor Passes?

They were using our driveway when we were up north thinking we wouldn’t know. A neighbor took pictures and contacted me and I quickly put a stop to it, but not before my driveway got a few oil stains from a leaking piece of junk. Once they stopped using my driveway, they parked in front of our home and one a$$hole pulled partially onto our front lawn and crushed a sprinkler head. Transient short term renters often have absolutely no regard for the piece and tranquility of an otherwise single family residential neighborhood. People living in crowded urban city areas seem to have no problem with the likes of AirBnB’s, but they don’t fit in with quiet residential neighborhoods, especially in a retirement community. Thankfully the bad neighbor running the AirBnB in our neighborhood moved out, much to the pleasure of everyone else.

[tophcfa]

Do you know if the owners of the AirBnBs typically arrange for the renters to get Visitor Passes?

I have no idea, never used an AirBnB. I occasionally get visitors passes for family or friends that come to visit (so they can get resident guest golf rates) and it’s free and easy to get them, so I suspect some AirBnB owners get them for their customers/renters???

[Papa_lecki]

Do you know if the owners of the AirBnBs typically arrange for the renters to get Visitor Passes?

In general, yes. But not the guest ID you get when you have guests.

I think it’s called a Resident ID - it’s $50 for 2. Gives the resident ID holder access to everything owners have.
I THINK the owner (i.e. renter) needs to turn in their green ID card to be eligible to get the Residnet ID card though.