Media collusion

[golfing eagles]

I just love how the media either passively or actively colludes with certain powers that be to push an idiotic narrative.

If you have the WFTV channel 9 weather app, the banner at the top of the hourly forecast reads "Tuesday set global record for hottest day ever" OMG!!!! The climate change weenies must have been right all along!!! Chicken Little, the sky is falling!!!!

Until..... you click on it and find out it was the hottest global temperature since 1979

In other words, for all the misguided climate change believers out there, IT WAS HOTTER ON A DAY 44 YEARS AGO THAN IT WAS YESTERDAY. So much for the inexecrable temperature rise that is steadily leading us to extinction.

Yet, the media and those in power that will benefit from spending $100 TRILLION on this folly just go merrily along pushing their false narrative. But what's worse is that the force can have a profound effect on the weak-minded.

[oldtimes]

I just love how the media either passively or actively colludes with certain powers that be to push an idiotic narrative.

If you have the WFTV channel 9 weather app, the banner at the top of the hourly forecast reads "Tuesday set global record for hottest day ever" OMG!!!! The climate change weenies must have been right all along!!! Chicken Little, the sky is falling!!!!

Until..... you click on it and find out it was the hottest global temperature since 1979

In other words, for all the misguided climate change believers out there, IT WAS HOTTER ON A DAY 44 YEARS AGO THAN IT WAS YESTERDAY. So much for the inexecrable temperature rise that is steadily leading us to extinction.

Yet, the media and those in power that will benefit from spending $100 TRILLION on this folly just go merrily along pushing their false narrative. But what's worse is that the force can have a profound effect on the weak-minded.

It’s not collusion it’s click-bait. It’s all about the number of clicks they can get. There is no such thing as news anymore.

[Bill14564]

I just love how the media either passively or actively colludes with certain powers that be to push an idiotic narrative.

If you have the WFTV channel 9 weather app, the banner at the top of the hourly forecast reads "Tuesday set global record for hottest day ever" OMG!!!! The climate change weenies must have been right all along!!! Chicken Little, the sky is falling!!!!

Until..... you click on it and find out it was the hottest global temperature since 1979

In other words, for all the misguided climate change believers out there, IT WAS HOTTER ON A DAY 44 YEARS AGO THAN IT WAS YESTERDAY. So much for the inexecrable temperature rise that is steadily leading us to extinction.

Yet, the media and those in power that will benefit from spending $100 TRILLION on this folly just go merrily along pushing their false narrative. But what's worse is that the force can have a profound effect on the weak-minded.

I believe you misread the article. No one (other than you) said it was hotter 44 years ago than it was yesterday, they are saying one particular way of measuring temperature was first used in 1979. That particular measure shows that 1979 was cooler, 2016 held the previous record, and the record was broken yesterday.

[golfing eagles]

It’s not collusion it’s click-bait. It’s all about the number of clicks they can get. There is no such thing as news anymore.

Partially true. But it seems that they are always seeking those clicks from pushing a certain narrative------ one that the media, university professors and so-called bicoastal elites all tend to support.

[golfing eagles]

I believe you misread the article. No one (other than you) said it was hotter 44 years ago than it was yesterday, they are saying one particular way of measuring temperature was first used in 1979. That particular measure shows that 1979 was cooler, 2016 held the previous record, and the record was broken yesterday.

That's NOT what they stated.

Let's walk everyone through this the easy way, my fault for skipping from A to C

The headline stated hottest day ever. The article said hottest day since 1979. Simple logic states that if yesterday was the hottest day since 1979, there were hotter days in or before 1979.

Now, if they started using one particular metric for temperature in 1979, 44 years of this "record" proves absolutely nothing in a cycle of 4.5 million years. And I would suggest (not prove) that other metrics might have a different result, but this one was cherry picked to push their false narrative

[fdpaq0580]

Some people see conspiracies when none exist.

[Bill14564]

That's NOT what they stated.

Let's walk everyone through this the easy way, my fault for skipping from A to C

The headline stated hottest day ever. The article said hottest day since 1979. Simple logic states that if yesterday was the hottest day since 1979, there were hotter days in or before 1979.

Now, if they started using one particular metric for temperature in 1979, 44 years of this "record" proves absolutely nothing in a cycle of 4.5 million years. And I would suggest (not prove) that other metrics might have a different result, but this one was cherry picked to push their false narrative

Your "simple logic" breaks down when you read the article and see that the records only go back to 1979.

As for 4.5 million years, I assume that is based on "proxy data" similar to that mentioned in the articles that say yesterday may have been the hottest in 125,000 years.

Yes, "hottest day ever" absolutely was an exaggeration since the day the earth was created it was certainly hotter than it was yesterday. They should have used, "hottest day since modern humans walked the earth," or, "hottest day in recorded history," or, "hottest day that any of us have ever experienced," but those use a lot of words and room on the page.

Three articles:

Earth's hottest day? July 4 set a record, scientists say (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/weather/2023/07/05/was-july-4-earths-hottest-day-heres-what-scientists-say/70383436007/)
It comes as scientists say the planet is the hottest it has been in roughly 125,000 years. Experts believe more heat records will fall this summer.

On Tuesday, Earth's average temperature rose to 62.9 degrees, according to the University of Maine’s Climate Reanalyzer, a tool based on satellite data and computer simulations. That's the highest temperature for that data set since records began in 1979.

This July 4 was hot. Earth’s hottest day on record, in fact. (https://www.msn.com/en-us/weather/other/this-july-4-was-hot-earth-s-hottest-day-on-record-in-fact/ar-AA1dtvrm)
Tuesday was the hottest day on Earth since at least 1979, with the global average temperature reaching 62.92 degrees Fahrenheit, according to data from the US National Centers for Environmental Prediction.

As a result, some scientists believe July 4 may have been one of the hottest days on Earth in around 125,000 years,

The planet saw its hottest day ever this week. The record will be broken again and again (https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/05/world/hottest-day-world-climate-el-nino-intl/index.html)
On Monday, the average global temperature reached 17.01 degrees Celsius (62.62 Fahrenheit), the highest in the US National Centers for Environmental Prediction’s data, which goes back to 1979. On Tuesday, it climbed even further, reaching 17.18 degrees Celsius. The previous record of 16.92 degrees Celsius was set in August 2016.

[Keefelane66]

“On Monday, the average global temperature reached 17.01 degrees Celsius (62.62 Fahrenheit), the highest in the US National Centers for Environmental Prediction’s data, which goes back to 1979. On Tuesday, it climbed even further, reaching 17.18 degrees Celsius. The previous record of 16.92 degrees Celsius was set in August 2016.“

It’s all about how one interprets what they might read.

[golfing eagles]

Your "simple logic" breaks down when you read the article and see that the records only go back to 1979.

As for 4.5 million years, I assume that is based on "proxy data" similar to that mentioned in the articles that say yesterday may have been the hottest in 125,000 years.

Yes, "hottest day ever" absolutely was an exaggeration since the day the earth was created it was certainly hotter than it was yesterday. They should have used, "hottest day since modern humans walked the earth," or, "hottest day in recorded history," or, "hottest day that any of us have ever experienced," but those use a lot of words and room on the page.

Three articles:

Earth's hottest day? July 4 set a record, scientists say (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/weather/2023/07/05/was-july-4-earths-hottest-day-heres-what-scientists-say/70383436007/)
It comes as scientists say the planet is the hottest it has been in roughly 125,000 years. Experts believe more heat records will fall this summer.

On Tuesday, Earth's average temperature rose to 62.9 degrees, according to the University of Maine’s Climate Reanalyzer, a tool based on satellite data and computer simulations. That's the highest temperature for that data set since records began in 1979.

This July 4 was hot. Earth’s hottest day on record, in fact. (https://www.msn.com/en-us/weather/other/this-july-4-was-hot-earth-s-hottest-day-on-record-in-fact/ar-AA1dtvrm)
Tuesday was the hottest day on Earth since at least 1979, with the global average temperature reaching 62.92 degrees Fahrenheit, according to data from the US National Centers for Environmental Prediction.

As a result, some scientists believe July 4 may have been one of the hottest days on Earth in around 125,000 years,

The planet saw its hottest day ever this week. The record will be broken again and again (https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/05/world/hottest-day-world-climate-el-nino-intl/index.html)
On Monday, the average global temperature reached 17.01 degrees Celsius (62.62 Fahrenheit), the highest in the US National Centers for Environmental Prediction’s data, which goes back to 1979. On Tuesday, it climbed even further, reaching 17.18 degrees Celsius. The previous record of 16.92 degrees Celsius was set in August 2016.

Maybe it should have said hottest day since we changed methodology to push a narrative in 1979

[kansasr]

Oh my god, I had better check under my bed. There's probably a weatherman under there spreading false heat.

[Keefelane66]

“Florida fried again by record heat Wednesday as sultry humidity makes it feel over 110 degrees

Heat Advisories stretch across much of the Florida Peninsula, from Jacksonville to Orlando to Tampa to Miami, through Wednesday evening. Already, Marathon, Florida, reached a heat index of 114 degrees.
By Scott Sistek
Source FOX Weather”

And, we in a 7 year cooling trend.

[ThirdOfFive]

Bottom line...

They ain't got no bleepin clue!

[Bogie Shooter]

Bottom line...

They ain't got no bleepin clue!

Nor do the above posters…….:a040:

Should have added, and all those that follow.

[fdpaq0580]

Oh my god, I had better check under my bed. There's probably a weatherman under there spreading false heat.

Love it!

[Bjeanj]

Here’s what I know

It’s hotter than heck these days, so I go to the pool or stay in a/c.
Climate change , if it is occurring, is going to be life-changing only after I die.
Nothing I can do about it, so I won’t worry about it.
Collusion? Really?
Do you pore over articles just to find conspiracies behind every article? Don’t you have anything better to do?
Weak-minded people? Really?

[golfing eagles]

Here’s what I know

It’s hotter than heck these days, so I go to the pool or stay in a/c.
Climate change , if it is occurring, is going to be life-changing only after I die.
Nothing I can do about it, so I won’t worry about it.
Collusion? Really?
Do you pore over articles just to find conspiracies behind every article? Don’t you have anything better to do?
Weak-minded people? Really?

Yes, weak minded. The planet has been warming for the last 20,000 years. If anyone believes this is due to SUVs, I have a bridge to sell them

And btw, I was just looking at the hourly weather forecast and the banner had that idiotic “hottest day ever “ headline was staring back at me.

Perhaps it’s not collusion, but the media seems to be pushing certain narratives

[Stu from NYC]

Close the journalism schools they have lost objectivity

[Taltarzac725]

Why July 3, 2023 was Earth’s hottest day – NBC 5 Dallas-Fort Worth (https://www.nbcdfw.com/weather/weather-connection/earths-hottest-day-ever-was-recorded-on-july-3-2023/3289861/)

They are reporting science as given to them by well respected sources. I do not see any conspiracies here.

Conspiracies exist but usually involve a small amount of people who benefit from them. Like the one to take out Julius Caesar on the Ides of March. History is full of very real conspiracies.

Global warming is not one of them.

Crazy Conspiracy Theories That Turned Out to Be True | Reader's Digest (https://www.rd.com/list/conspiracy-theories-that-turned-out-to-be-true/)

[tophcfa]

It’s been an unusually cool summer so far up north, we finally just got the first heat wave of the season. And let’s assume for a minute that the planet is warming up just a tad bit, what’s the big deal? Last time I checked people kind of like to be warm, isn’t that what the whole snowbird thing is all about? I can’t remember hearing about a whole flock of southern humanbirds doing a mass migration north because they like the cold? And warmer weather requires less burning of fossil fuels to heat homes which should be a good thing. If anything is going to warm up the planet it would be those friggin wildfires that have been burning up hundreds of thousands of acres in Canada for the last couple of months with no end in sight.

[blueash]

.... And let’s assume for a minute that the planet is warming up just a tad bit, what’s the big deal? ...


The big deal is that a tiny change in global temperature produces an enormous change in the ecosystems of this planet. Water behaves very differently at 31.9 degrees than it does at 32.1 degrees. Your own body is very sensitive to a fractional change in temperature. How do you feel with a body temp of 101?

You're certainly aware of the serious damage to coral reefs (https://floridakeys.noaa.gov/corals/climatethreat.html) in the last decade, from a tiny change in ocean temperature. The pH of oceans (https://www.nrdc.org/stories/ocean-acidification-what-you-need-know?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIsISj2ZL5_wIVFrqGCh32HgNoEAA YASAAEgIMGfD_BwE#measured) is slightly becoming more acidic which will seriously disrupt the life of sea organisms which must have pH in a very narrow range, just like humans. Your blood pH should be 7.4 At 7.0 you are likely dead. Tiny changes.

So be snarky about snowbirds and heating costs, but the rate of change in the global temperature is very dramatic and the whole world's scientific community with the exception of a few owned by Koch Industries and the GOP are uniform in their assessment.

When Golfing Eagles, who should understand how to read a scientific report doesn't immediately understand that there was no collection of data on the subject of mean daily global temperature before 1979 and immediately jumps to the conclusion that there is a media conspiracy to indoctrinate us rather than getting exactly what the data says, that is scary.


"This week saw the hottest global temperature ever recorded, according to data from two climate tracking agencies.

On Monday, the average global temperature reached 17.01 degrees Celsius (62.62 Fahrenheit), the highest in the US National Centers for Environmental Prediction’s data, which goes back to 1979. On Tuesday, it climbed even further, reaching 17.18 degrees Celsius. The previous record of 16.92 degrees Celsius was set in August 2016.

The European Union’s Copernicus Climate Change Service on Wednesday also tweeted that Monday’s global temperature was a record in its data set."

This is a very clear, easily understood, story. The highest ever recorded, no records of this data set exist prior to 1979. Simple, a caveman should be able to grasp and not misconstrue. His sentence claiming that
In other words, for all the misguided climate change believers out there, IT WAS HOTTER ON A DAY 44 YEARS AGO THAN IT WAS YESTERDAY. So much for the inexecrable temperature rise that is steadily leading us to extinction.

GE is 100% completely wrong. It was not hotter on a day 44 years ago than it was yesterday. Those of us who accept the science are not the misguided ones. Only GE seems to not understand that the phrase since 1979 does not mean it was hotter in 1978. And he came here to pontificate and rail about media collusion when in reality, REALITY, is just GE doesn't understand what his mind is unable to accept.

When you are told the temperatures are changing in an unprecedented fashion, ignore people here and on some media who lie to you. Here is the graph of the last 2000 years. See anything unusual at the right side, the last few years. Yes, proven global warming never seen in historical times.

And the last 1/2 century, since the increase in industrialization, burning carbon fuels has the most dramatic pattern.

[jebartle]

Let's see, this was based on a weather mans interpretation, a profession that has been known to be WRONG a few times, lol.

[Sabella]

I just love how the media either passively or actively colludes with certain powers that be to push an idiotic narrative.

If you have the WFTV channel 9 weather app, the banner at the top of the hourly forecast reads "Tuesday set global record for hottest day ever" OMG!!!! The climate change weenies must have been right all along!!! Chicken Little, the sky is falling!!!!

Until..... you click on it and find out it was the hottest global temperature since 1979

In other words, for all the misguided climate change believers out there, IT WAS HOTTER ON A DAY 44 YEARS AGO THAN IT WAS YESTERDAY. So much for the inexecrable temperature rise that is steadily leading us to extinction.

Yet, the media and those in power that will benefit from spending $100 TRILLION on this folly just go merrily along pushing their false narrative. But what's worse is that the force can have a profound effect on the weak-minded.
Thank you hopefully your brilliant and truthful statement will enlighten some people

[Worldseries27]

Learned a few things.
1. The definition of hot
air
2. If your position is
99.99⁹⁹⁹% correct, to
others your still
wrong.
3. I want a study of how
much warmer the
planet will get if the
nukes go off.

[golfing eagles]

Thank you hopefully your brilliant and truthful statement will enlighten some people

Obviously not, just look at that ridiculous post #20

[Dahabs]

Obviously not, just look at that ridiculous post #20

Wouldn't want actual facts to obscure our chosen narrative now would we.

[golfing eagles]

GE is 100% completely wrong. It was not hotter on a day 44 years ago than it was yesterday. Those of us who accept the science are not the misguided ones. Only GE seems to not understand that the phrase since 1979 does not mean it was hotter in 1978. And he came here to pontificate and rail about media collusion when in reality, REALITY, is just GE doesn't understand what his mind is unable to accept.

When you are told the temperatures are changing in an unprecedented fashion, ignore people here and on some media who lie to you. Here is the graph of the last 2000 years. See anything unusual at the right side, the last few years. Yes, proven global warming never seen in historical times.

And the last 1/2 century, since the increase in industrialization, burning carbon fuels has the most dramatic pattern.

Wow, I just have no idea where to start debunking that crap.
I didn't say it was hotter in 1978, I said if you only have temperature data OF THE TYPE QUOTED since 1979, it was probably hotter at some point prior to that. It was DEFINITELY hotter 65 million years ago, but we don't have data from then either. Then there's that pretty graph of "2000 years". Where does that data come from??? After acknowledging the data for the argument was only collected since 1979!!!! And this is referred to as "proven global warming"????:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl: Add to that even a snapshot of 150 or even 2000 years is nothing in comparison to the climate cycles that have been repeating for the last 4.5 million years, not to mention "since 1979". Yep, what that post "proved" is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.

And put that "conspiracy theorist" label to rest---I didn't post that----I posted the media is EITHER PASSIVELY or actively colluding to push certain narratives, and we all know what those narratives are and who supports them, which is why I'm not surprised by that post. So, sorry, I "understand" perfectly.

[Byte1]

I enjoy the hot weather. Unfortunately, I doubt it will get warm enough up North in the mountains in my lifetime to get me to move back. I love the mountain forest areas to live, but I don't like cold weather, so I guess I'll have to stay here. Oh well, life goes on.
Can't believe much of what is published in the news, some of what I see and hear, and nothing of what one reads on here. But, still it is entertaining. Since we don't seem to care how much debt we leave for our children, I do not understand how anyone can get excited or concerned about how man can change the climate for future generations. Which one is one actually able to control?

[golfing eagles]

Wouldn't want actual facts to obscure our chosen narrative now would we.

Actually, we would, we just haven't seen any actual "facts" that prove anything.

But here's something to consider: FOLLOW THE MONEY!

The "powers that be" are pushing to spend $100 TRILLION over the next 50 years to "combat climate change". Even IF, and it's a HUGE IF, human activity was partially responsible for changing the climate, we don't have the technology to do anything meaningful to "combat" the power of the sun, Earth's orbit or changes in Earth's axis. So......who would benefit from this folly????? We know one that benefitted from this garbage 20 years ago----can anyone spell Solyndra????? And we can make good guesses as to who will continue to cash in as well.

[MarcStephen]

I just love how the media either passively or actively colludes with certain powers that be to push an idiotic narrative.

If you have the WFTV channel 9 weather app, the banner at the top of the hourly forecast reads "Tuesday set global record for hottest day ever" OMG!!!! The climate change weenies must have been right all along!!! Chicken Little, the sky is falling!!!!

Until..... you click on it and find out it was the hottest global temperature since 1979

In other words, for all the misguided climate change believers out there, IT WAS HOTTER ON A DAY 44 YEARS AGO THAN IT WAS YESTERDAY. So much for the inexecrable temperature rise that is steadily leading us to extinction.

Yet, the media and those in power that will benefit from spending $100 TRILLION on this folly just go merrily along pushing their false narrative. But what's worse is that the force can have a profound effect on the weak-minded.

I seem to recall that at one time our continent was covered in glacial ice that has been receded. This means that the earth has been on a warming trend for a very very long time while ensuring cold cycles. I think if we all want to extend our retirement funds, let’s all invest in companies looking to cool the earth. I’d be curious what the return on the investment would be?

[CoachKandSportsguy]

Science these days is all about funding research. . yes, funding research from the government. There are limited jobs for scientists in the corporate world . . .

How else does one get funding these days is through perceived crises and funding research about it. .

However,
The earth has been warming slowly since the last ice age,
The thermometer is at max 200 years old. . . amazingly
A volcanic eruption puts more bad stuff into the atmosphere in one eruption than what you can personally prevent if you devoted your entire life to preventing bad stuff
The earth can only support X million of humans before going beyond the tipping point.
The tipping point is an unknown event after which the population will dramatically decline back to a more sustainable level
If for any reason the world runs out of oil, there will be mass starvation. .

So panicking early is better than being led to the extinction event like a dinosaur. .

YMMV

[golfing eagles]

I seem to recall that at one time our continent was covered in glacial ice that has been receded. This means that the earth has been on a warming trend for a very very long time while ensuring cold cycles. I think if we all want to extend our retirement funds, let’s all invest in companies looking to cool the earth. I’d be curious what the return on the investment would be?

In about 45-70,000 years. Since the current ICE AGE began 4.5 million years ago, we have had cycles of glaciation and interglacial thaws lasting 60-100,000 years. This has repeated at least a dozen times since the last time the poles were ice free. The current thaw began about 20,000 years ago, and we are still on the warming curve. in about 20-25,000 years the temp will peak, and yes, our coastal cities will be under water, but NOT because Fred Flintstone drove a SUV or JD Rockefeller hit oil, unless anyone is naive enough to believe we have hit our current level of technology a dozen times in the last 4.5 million years and then wiped ourselves out with internal combustion engines. (but there are probably some climate change nut jobs that believe that). After that peak, we will cool again and 40,000 years or so later our northeastern coastal cities will once again be covered by 2 miles of ice. Eventually, this cycle will be broken by forces more powerful than man. The last gargantuan shift in climate occurred due to the rise of the Rocky and Himalayan mountains about 70 million years ago, so that now our planet is about 10 degrees cooler than it was then.

But then again, according to a previous post, I don't "understand" this subject :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[NoMo50]

Records were meant to be broken. Except perhaps Joe DiMaggio's 56 game hitting streak.

[golfing eagles]

Records were meant to be broken. Except perhaps Joe DiMaggio's 56 game hitting streak.

Or Nicklaus' 18 majors:thumbup:

[GizmoWhiskers]

Gotta love infraction clickbait threads that generate ToTV ad revenue. On a limb but "golfingeagles" has it right. The earth has its own historical and future track of hot/cold changes. Always has and always will. Put politics, $k-ching, and freedom on the line and you have a great text book history lesson kind of movie for future generations to eat pop-corn at while they enjoy the slow burn of present day humanity.

[Dahabs]

Actually, we would, we just haven't seen any actual "facts" that prove anything.

But here's something to consider: FOLLOW THE MONEY!

The "powers that be" are pushing to spend $100 TRILLION over the next 50 years to "combat climate change". Even IF, and it's a HUGE IF, human activity was partially responsible for changing the climate, we don't have the technology to do anything meaningful to "combat" the power of the sun, Earth's orbit or changes in Earth's axis. So......who would benefit from this folly????? We know one that benefitted from this garbage 20 years ago----can anyone spell Solyndra????? And we can make good guesses as to who will continue to cash in as well.

:bowdown::bowdown:

[Captainpd]

Bloomberg controls 70% of the media. We see what he and his party wants us to see and read

[ThirdOfFive]

Thank you hopefully your brilliant and truthful statement will enlighten some people
Excellent.

Media, however it is defined, is merely passing along what passes for information from one person to another. Or, as in today, from one person to about thirty million others. But it is nothing more than that. What is interesting is how "media" functioned throughout history and there are an uncomfortable number of parallels with what is happening today.

One of my favorite examples is the Crusades. One of the primary reasons for the Crusades was not so much to spread the word of the Christian God and free Jerusalem from the infidel, but to secure trade routes for the powers-that-were in Europe at the time. Crusades of course demand soldiers, and soldiers need to be motivated. Dunno about the rest of you, but "God wills it!" seems to be much more motivating than "Let's secure those trade routes!"

It is no different today. Emotion sways far more people, unfortunately, than does reason.

[glsatterlee]

Norway's melting glaciers continue to reveal incredible archaeological finds. Now, evidence of a Viking settlement high up in the Norwegian mountains has been discovered and dated by archaeologists.

Discovered in June 2021.
Testing of the charcoal confirmed there had been centrally-placed hearths inside, and also allowed radiocarbon dating. All five samples sent were dated to between the years 750 and 1150, covering the full timeline of the Viking Age.

It must’ve been much warmer back, than for them to be living there before the glaciers came. How can that be, there were no cars heating up the atmosphere then?

Viking Village Discovered in the Norwegian Mountains - Life in Norway (https://www.lifeinnorway.net/viking-village-discovered-in-the-norwegian-mountains/)

[CoachKandSportsguy]

Norway's melting glaciers continue to reveal incredible archaeological finds. Now, evidence of a Viking settlement high up in the Norwegian mountains has been discovered and dated by archaeologists.

Viking Village Discovered in the Norwegian Mountains - Life in Norway (https://www.lifeinnorway.net/viking-village-discovered-in-the-norwegian-mountains/)

histrionic scientists looking for funding research projects talk about the historical rise in temperature.

The earth's wobble in many orbital and spinning dimensions might have something to to with the warming. . .

There is still time to panic though

[daniel200]

It is a conspiracy. I have seen/experienced far too many 500 year weather events and floods. These “accu weather” people are conspiring to make me feel really old.

[Cobullymom]

The big deal is that a tiny change in global temperature produces an enormous change in the ecosystems of this planet. Water behaves very differently at 31.9 degrees than it does at 32.1 degrees. Your own body is very sensitive to a fractional change in temperature. How do you feel with a body temp of 101?

You're certainly aware of the serious damage to coral reefs (https://floridakeys.noaa.gov/corals/climatethreat.html) in the last decade, from a tiny change in ocean temperature. The pH of oceans (https://www.nrdc.org/stories/ocean-acidification-what-you-need-know?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIsISj2ZL5_wIVFrqGCh32HgNoEAA YASAAEgIMGfD_BwE#measured) is slightly becoming more acidic which will seriously disrupt the life of sea organisms which must have pH in a very narrow range, just like humans. Your blood pH should be 7.4 At 7.0 you are likely dead. Tiny changes.

So be snarky about snowbirds and heating costs, but the rate of change in the global temperature is very dramatic and the whole world's scientific community with the exception of a few owned by Koch Industries and the GOP are uniform in their assessment.

When Golfing Eagles, who should understand how to read a scientific report doesn't immediately understand that there was no collection of data on the subject of mean daily global temperature before 1979 and immediately jumps to the conclusion that there is a media conspiracy to indoctrinate us rather than getting exactly what the data says, that is scary.




This is a very clear, easily understood, story. The highest ever recorded, no records of this data set exist prior to 1979. Simple, a caveman should be able to grasp and not misconstrue. His sentence claiming that


GE is 100% completely wrong. It was not hotter on a day 44 years ago than it was yesterday. Those of us who accept the science are not the misguided ones. Only GE seems to not understand that the phrase since 1979 does not mean it was hotter in 1978. And he came here to pontificate and rail about media collusion when in reality, REALITY, is just GE doesn't understand what his mind is unable to accept.

When you are told the temperatures are changing in an unprecedented fashion, ignore people here and on some media who lie to you. Here is the graph of the last 2000 years. See anything unusual at the right side, the last few years. Yes, proven global warming never seen in historical times.

And the last 1/2 century, since the increase in industrialization, burning carbon fuels has the most dramatic pattern.
"those of us who accept the science" give me a break, and I'm sure you got your vaccines and wore your mask like a good little sheeple too...so tired of self-absorbed self predicated terms..

[Andyb]

I just love how the media either passively or actively colludes with certain powers that be to push an idiotic narrative.

If you have the WFTV channel 9 weather app, the banner at the top of the hourly forecast reads "Tuesday set global record for hottest day ever" OMG!!!! The climate change weenies must have been right all along!!! Chicken Little, the sky is falling!!!!

Until..... you click on it and find out it was the hottest global temperature since 1979

In other words, for all the misguided climate change believers out there, IT WAS HOTTER ON A DAY 44 YEARS AGO THAN IT WAS YESTERDAY. So much for the inexecrable temperature rise that is steadily leading us to extinction.

Yet, the media and those in power that will benefit from spending $100 TRILLION on this folly just go merrily along pushing their false narrative. But what's worse is that the force can have a profound effect on the weak-minded.

Glad to see someone gets it! Yep, most all main stream media push their deceptive, usually misinformed narratives. We are actually entering an ice age, if you follow the “real” science.
On another note, everyone should watch and promote the film, “Sounds of Freedom”. It exposes the human trafficking, that has been covered up for many years, by the MSM and political leaders.

[Bill14564]

Glad to see someone gets it! Yep, most all main stream media push their deceptive, usually misinformed narratives. We are actually entering an ice age, if you follow the “real” science.
On another note, everyone should watch and promote the film, “Sounds of Freedom”. It exposes the human trafficking, that has been covered up for many years, by the MSM and political leaders.

Any chance you have some links to that "real" science?

Even the climate-change deniers will wsay we are warming because we are *leaving* an ice age. Sounds like you may have a set of alternative facts.

[Stu from NYC]

histrionic scientists looking for funding research projects talk about the historical rise in temperature.

The earth's wobble in many orbital and spinning dimensions might have something to to with the warming. . .

There is still time to panic though

Why wait till the last minute to panic?

[dewilson58]

"those of us who accept the science" give me a break, and I'm sure you got your vaccines and wore your mask like a good little sheeple too...so tired of self-absorbed self predicated terms..

that was science????

[JodyBraga]

Operation Mockingbird has been around since the 1960’s. With any “narrative” you can flip through all major network “news” channels and hear the exact same script uttered by the anchor desk.

[Whitley]

Some people see conspiracies when none exist.

Until we find out years later that it was true.

[Wondering]

I just love how the media either passively or actively colludes with certain powers that be to push an idiotic narrative.

If you have the WFTV channel 9 weather app, the banner at the top of the hourly forecast reads "Tuesday set global record for hottest day ever" OMG!!!! The climate change weenies must have been right all along!!! Chicken Little, the sky is falling!!!!

Until..... you click on it and find out it was the hottest global temperature since 1979

In other words, for all the misguided climate change believers out there, IT WAS HOTTER ON A DAY 44 YEARS AGO THAN IT WAS YESTERDAY. So much for the inexecrable temperature rise that is steadily leading us to extinction.

Yet, the media and those in power that will benefit from spending $100 TRILLION on this folly just go merrily along pushing their false narrative. But what's worse is that the force can have a profound effect on the weak-minded.
Keep dinking that Kool-Aide, it brings out your "intelligence"!

[Whitley]

So be snarky about snowbirds and heating costs, but the rate of change in the global temperature is very dramatic and the whole world's scientific community with the exception of a few owned by Koch Industries and the GOP are uniform in their assessment.
This is a very clear, easily understood, story. The highest ever recorded, no records of this data set exist prior to 1979. Simple, a caveman should be able to grasp and not misconstrue. His sentence claiming that
GE is 100% completely wrong. It was not hotter on a day 44 years ago than it was yesterday. Those of us who accept the science are not the misguided ones. Only GE seems to not understand that the phrase since 1979 does not mean it was hotter in 1978. And he came here to pontificate and rail about media collusion when in reality, REALITY, is just GE doesn't understand what his mind is unable to accept.


Are we able to discuss political parties now as the poster above has?

I would like to, just want to clear it.

[cynjim]

[Climate change is happening for those who don't want to believe it...and there is a fake narratives out there about other things that have been pushed for over 3 years now that people want to ignore...like what is going on in Florida by RD ...that are really bad for our state and our country...

[Two Bills]

Since we don't seem to care how much debt we leave for our children.

Don't know why oldies keep banging on about leaving current debt for our children,
Our kids have been running the show for last 20-30 years.
It's their debt.
National Debt was near manageable when my/our generations were steering the ship.
I sleep well at night, let them sort the mess out they are creating.

(I feel better now!)

[Whitley]

"those of us who accept the science" give me a break, and I'm sure you got your vaccines and wore your mask like a good little sheeple too...so tired of self-absorbed self predicated terms..

Accept the science. Science now says Males can give birth.

Yeah, no. Sorry. Science has been corrupted.

[Whitley]

In the 1970's Newsweek reported that we are entering an Ice Age. Our use of aerosol products was pushing us towards the ice age faster.
Solution to the current story about Global Warming, BRING BACK aerosol cans.

[Bill14564]

Accept the science. Science now says Males can give birth.

Yeah, no. Sorry. Science has been corrupted.

What science says males can give birth? Not asking what talking points or position statements or tortured definitions say that. What science says that?

Critical thinking skills enable one to separate the facts and the science from the noise. Critical thinking skills appear to be sorely lacking today.

[Whitley]

Operation Mockingbird has been around since the 1960’s. With any “narrative” you can flip through all major network “news” channels and hear the exact same script uttered by the anchor desk.

It use to be that politicians were given the days talking points, highlighting words to stress when responding to news questions. Today the news get the talking points directly. The damage done to once respected organizations (FBI, IRS, DOJ, Main Media Outlets, CDC, DoH) is very regrettable. Don't attacke me for this lapse in judgement, but I was giving consideration to Bernie Sanders in 2016. When I saw how they shut him down then, and yet again in 2020, I lost all respect for the established parties. There is not even a hint that we choose the candidates any longer.

[Whitley]

[Climate change is happening for those who don't want to believe it...and there is a fake narratives out there about other things that have been pushed for over 3 years now that people want to ignore...like what is going on in Florida by RD ...that are really bad for our state and our country...

Many, many people are very happy with how the state of Florida is run.

[Joe C.]

As long as my A/C keeps working, I really don't give a damn.

[djplong]

If you don't know or refuse to understand the difference between weather, and climate, well, there's not a lot that can be discussed.

But, to be fair, the articles reporting that piece of 'news' have been VERY "click-bait-y".

[Whitley]

What science says males can give birth? Not asking what talking points or position statements or tortured definitions say that. What science says that?

Critical thinking skills enable one to separate the facts and the science from the noise. Critical thinking skills appear to be sorely lacking today.

Why do you go to the insult at the end of your post? Do you think that makes someone think you are s person that I can have a sincere discussion with? Since your post does not really come across as someone interested in getting the facts, google it yourself. There are numerous articles in health and science magazines saying men can in fact get pregnant.

[Whitley]

Don't know why oldies keep banging on about leaving current debt for our children,
Our kids have been running the show for last 20-30 years.
It's their debt.
National Debt was near manageable when my/our generations were steering the ship.
I sleep well at night, let them sort the mess out they are creating.

(I feel better now!)

One of the main concerns I have for the future, is what would happen should the USD no longer be the universal currency.

[cjrjck]

Men plug the dikes of their most needed beliefs with whatever mud they can find

To quote from two popular songs:
"I'm just a singer in a rock n roll band"
and
"I'd love to change the world, but I don't know what to do, so I'll leave it up to you"

I don't know much about all this but what I do know when I see it is a religion. And the new religion today is what I call the actual "scientology". And science is their god. Unfortunately, unlike Christianity, where you are to hate the sin but love the sinner, "scientologists" hate the sin and loathe the sinner. Only a religion, actually more like a religious cult, would get so spun up about those that refuse to believe.

I support your right to believe what you believe. I really do. I would hope that you would do the same.

[Bill14564]

Why do you go to the insult at the end of your post? Do you think that makes someone think you are s person that I can have a sincere discussion with? Since your post does not really come across as someone interested in getting the facts, google it yourself. There are numerous articles in health and science magazines saying men can in fact get pregnant.

Not interested in going down that rabbit hole. If you have the science, and not just opinion, accusation, or tortured definition then please provide a link.

Not intended as an insult, just an observation. Critical thinking is lacking today. People react to a headline without reading the article. People read the article through a bias that prevents them from comprehending what the article is truly trying to say. It's just what happens too often today.

[Taltarzac725]

Evidence | Facts – Climate Change: Vital Signs of the Planet (https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/#:~:text=Ice%20cores%20drawn%20from%20Greenland,an d%20layers%20of%20sedimentary%20rocks).

I would believe NASA long before I would believe the latest loud mouth on a FOX station.

And it takes a strong mind to deal with the threat of global warming. A weak one just believes it is all a hoax when it cannot deal with reality.

[rpalumberi]

I just love how the media either passively or actively colludes with certain powers that be to push an idiotic narrative.

If you have the WFTV channel 9 weather app, the banner at the top of the hourly forecast reads "Tuesday set global record for hottest day ever" OMG!!!! The climate change weenies must have been right all along!!! Chicken Little, the sky is falling!!!!

Until..... you click on it and find out it was the hottest global temperature since 1979

In other words, for all the misguided climate change believers out there, IT WAS HOTTER ON A DAY 44 YEARS AGO THAN IT WAS YESTERDAY. So much for the inexecrable temperature rise that is steadily leading us to extinction.

Yet, the media and those in power that will benefit from spending $100 TRILLION on this folly just go merrily along pushing their false narrative. But what's worse is that the force can have a profound effect on the weak-minded.

thank you for the post, 100% agree

[jump4]

Some people see conspiracies when none exist.

So So TRUE.

[jswirs]

I just love how the media either passively or actively colludes with certain powers that be to push an idiotic narrative.

If you have the WFTV channel 9 weather app, the banner at the top of the hourly forecast reads "Tuesday set global record for hottest day ever" OMG!!!! The climate change weenies must have been right all along!!! Chicken Little, the sky is falling!!!!

Until..... you click on it and find out it was the hottest global temperature since 1979

In other words, for all the misguided climate change believers out there, IT WAS HOTTER ON A DAY 44 YEARS AGO THAN IT WAS YESTERDAY. So much for the inexecrable temperature rise that is steadily leading us to extinction.

Yet, the media and those in power that will benefit from spending $100 TRILLION on this folly just go merrily along pushing their false narrative. But what's worse is that the force can have a profound effect on the weak-minded.

...If you don't listen to the news media you are uninformed, if you do listen to the news media, you are misinformed. No doubt, it's all about sensationalism and the resulting profits from those exaggerations.
Oh, by the way, did you know the world was coming to an end at the change of the last century? Yep, that boosted retail sales of many venues.
And then we have Al Gore and "An Inconvenient Truth", as he flies around the world in a jet consuming gobs of fuel, not to mention his lavish life style. But don't be too concerned, he has made millions from his sensationalistic types of books. "Get the sheeple to panic and we'll sell more books".

[Byte1]

Evidence | Facts – Climate Change: Vital Signs of the Planet (https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/#:~:text=Ice%20cores%20drawn%20from%20Greenland,an d%20layers%20of%20sedimentary%20rocks).

I would believe NASA long before I would believe the latest loud mouth on a FOX station.

And it takes a strong mind to deal with the threat of global warming. A weak one just believes it is all a hoax when it cannot deal with reality.

What "loud mouth" from FOX network? Did someone mention FOX?
A "strong mind" is able to FIX global warming? A "strong mind" is able to change the weather cycles/trends? How does that work? Is everyone going to turn off their A/C which will then cool their neighborhoods? Are we going to turn off all electronics, which will also start a cooling trend? Or, did you really intend to say "In my opinion....."???? I must have a strong mind (according to you) because I believe that Earth has warming trends and cooling trends. Should I say "in my opinion" those with "weak minds" believe that man can change the weather or stop the warming and cooling trends? I don't know if FOX would agree with me since I don't usually get my news from TV. Although, if I DID get my news from TV, FOX would probably be one of my first choices. I would prefer not to listen to a "loud mouth" though.

[jswirs]

So So TRUE.
And some people believe what they are told, without applying common sense and reasoning. And don't forget to get your booster shot.

[Stu from NYC]

Where is Walter Cronkite when we need him but than again he probably had his own agenda

[LuvNH]

Where is Walter Cronkite when we need him but than again he probably had his own agenda

I think Cronkite was a TRUE newsreader. Unfortunately the majority of people reading the news these days put their own spin on everything. If I want spin, I'll do my own, just let me know what is happening in the world and leave the rest to me.

[CoachKandSportsguy]

One of the main concerns I have for the future, is what would happen should the USD no longer be the universal currency.

that will be a long time in the future. . . unless something radically changes in the US. . long after all of the retired residents in TV are no longer residents

[blueash]

Bloomberg controls 70% of the media. We see what he and his party wants us to see and read

Nice anti-Semitic dog whistle. Did you read that in the Protocols of the Elders of Zion? Of course you will post a link to a reliable source for that statement, soon.

[fdpaq0580]

Until we find out years later that it was true.

Or not. Like seeing faces in clouds. Some see conspiracy due to conditioning, often of political and/or religious indoctrination.

[fdpaq0580]

What "loud mouth" from FOX network? Did someone mention FOX?
A "strong mind" is able to FIX global warming? A "strong mind" is able to change the weather cycles/trends? How does that work? Is everyone going to turn off their A/C which will then cool their neighborhoods? Are we going to turn off all electronics, which will also start a cooling trend? Or, did you really intend to say "In my opinion....."???? I must have a strong mind (according to you) because I believe that Earth has warming trends and cooling trends. Should I say "in my opinion" those with "weak minds" believe that man can change the weather or stop the warming and cooling trends? I don't know if FOX would agree with me since I don't usually get my news from TV. Although, if I DID get my news from TV, FOX would probably be one of my first choices. I would prefer not to listen to a "loud mouth" though.

Hey, Talt, I think you struck a nerve on this "steeple in FOX clothing".

[blueash]

Wow, I just have no idea where to start debunking that crap.
I didn't say it was hotter in 1978,


The blind will not see. Somebody, I don't know who, oh, it was golfing Eagles wrote in BOLD ALL CAPS

IT WAS HOTTER ON A DAY 44 YEARS AGO THAN IT WAS YESTERDAY.

Now let me help with that sentence. 44 years ago was 1978/1979. As the data says hottest since 1979 it must have been 1978 in your statement.

Don't come back here and prevaricate about what you thought you read. You probably are embarrassed you didn't read carefully. You continue to make claims about 20000 years ago and such. But look at the graphs I posted. The early years are temps calculated from data such as tree rings etc. We only have rounded yearly temperature data for the last 150 years and we only have worldwide daily data since 1979 in this data set which is the standard being used.

So yes you said it was hotter in 1978. You were wrong. You misunderstood what you read because you refuse to accept the science. There is no evidence that axis tilt, or the old favorite sunspots etc are causing the extremely rapid increase in global temperatures.

We have been thru several sunspot cycles, there is no correlation to our temperature changes. The earth did not sudden change it's axis in the last 40 years. You need more mud for your dike.

[fdpaq0580]

The blind will not see. Somebody, I don't know who, oh, it was golfing Eagles wrote in BOLD ALL CAPS

IT WAS HOTTER ON A DAY 44 YEARS AGO THAN IT WAS YESTERDAY.

Now let me help with that sentence. 44 years ago was 1978/1979. As the data says hottest since 1979 it must have been 1978 in your statement.

Don't come back here and prevaricate about what you thought you read. You probably are embarrassed you didn't read carefully. You continue to make claims about 20000 years ago and such. But look at the graphs I posted. The early years are temps calculated from data such as tree rings etc. We only have rounded yearly temperature data for the last 150 years and we only have worldwide daily data since 1979 in this data set which is the standard being used.

So yes you said it was hotter in 1978. You were wrong. You misunderstood what you read because you refuse to accept the science. There is no evidence that axis tilt, or the old favorite sunspots etc are causing the extremely rapid increase in global temperatures.

We have been thru several sunspot cycles, there is no correlation to our temperature changes. The earth did not sudden change it's axis in the last 40 years. You need more mud for your dike.

Simple answer. You are right, he is wrong. But, ego and "die hard" political stance will likely never allow him to even see the truth or acknowledge it.

[Nana2Teddy]

Here’s what I know

It’s hotter than heck these days, so I go to the pool or stay in a/c.
Climate change , if it is occurring, is going to be life-changing only after I die.
Nothing I can do about it, so I won’t worry about it.
Collusion? Really?
Do you pore over articles just to find conspiracies behind every article? Don’t you have anything better to do?
Weak-minded people? Really?
We tried going to the pool on the 4th but the water was so hot we lasted only 5 minutes. How does anyone feel refreshed in the simmering temps of these Villages pools? As newbies it’s so disappointing.

[Boston1945]

The blind will not see. Somebody, I don't know who, oh, it was golfing Eagles wrote in BOLD ALL CAPS

IT WAS HOTTER ON A DAY 44 YEARS AGO THAN IT WAS YESTERDAY.

Now let me help with that sentence. 44 years ago was 1978/1979. As the data says hottest since 1979 it must have been 1978 in your statement.

Don't come back here and prevaricate about what you thought you read. You probably are embarrassed you didn't read carefully. You continue to make claims about 20000 years ago and such. But look at the graphs I posted. The early years are temps calculated from data such as tree rings etc. We only have rounded yearly temperature data for the last 150 years and we only have worldwide daily data since 1979 in this data set which is the standard being used.

So yes you said it was hotter in 1978. You were wrong. You misunderstood what you read because you refuse to accept the science. There is no evidence that axis tilt, or the old favorite sunspots etc are causing the extremely rapid increase in global temperatures.

We have been thru several sunspot cycles, there is no correlation to our temperature changes. The earth did not sudden change it's axis in the last 40 years. You need more mud for your dike.

Thank you for the your post. I am on board with your graphics. Numbers tell the story. Been here in Florida for over 50 years and I can tell you this IT'S HOT" Looking back at growing up in the 40's not too many folks owned a car back in the day. When you look at the numbers as the years pass, the numbers go up. Today, we have at least two cars per home

[tophcfa]

One of the main concerns I have for the future, is what would happen should the USD no longer be the universal currency.

that will be a long time in the future. . . unless something radically changes in the US. . long after all of the retired residents in TV are no longer residents

It might happen a lot quicker than people think if something isn’t done about this country’s out of control spending and the resulting unsustainable deficit.

[Two Bills]

One of the main concerns I have for the future, is what would happen should the USD no longer be the universal currency.

Something will take it's place.
Same as over the centuries some form of payment was the norm, and who ever had the most of it was king, until he wasn't.
The way banks are going, with their never ending drive to get rid of cash, a new world currency will probably be the answer, something like Bitcoin.
Not my worry.

[Bogie Shooter]

We tried going to the pool on the 4th but the water was so hot we lasted only 5 minutes. How does anyone feel refreshed in the simmering temps of these Villages pools? As newbies it’s so disappointing.

What were you expecting……ice water? Why are you disappointed?

[golfing eagles]

The blind will not see. Somebody, I don't know who, oh, it was golfing Eagles wrote in BOLD ALL CAPS

IT WAS HOTTER ON A DAY 44 YEARS AGO THAN IT WAS YESTERDAY.

Now let me help with that sentence. 44 years ago was 1978/1979. As the data says hottest since 1979 it must have been 1978 in your statement.

Don't come back here and prevaricate about what you thought you read. You probably are embarrassed you didn't read carefully. You continue to make claims about 20000 years ago and such. But look at the graphs I posted. The early years are temps calculated from data such as tree rings etc. We only have rounded yearly temperature data for the last 150 years and we only have worldwide daily data since 1979 in this data set which is the standard being used.

So yes you said it was hotter in 1978. You were wrong. You misunderstood what you read because you refuse to accept the science. There is no evidence that axis tilt, or the old favorite sunspots etc are causing the extremely rapid increase in global temperatures.

We have been thru several sunspot cycles, there is no correlation to our temperature changes. The earth did not sudden change it's axis in the last 40 years. You need more mud for your dike.

Again, another load of crap. But I read it again and I should have written "hotter on a day prior to 1979". Happy now???? But basic premise, there is no evidence that human activity is altering the repetitive cycle of glaciation and interglacial thaws that have repeated time and time again over the last 4.5 million years. That graph is crap. The data behind it is most likely crap, and the thought of spending $100 TRILLION to combat something that we can maybe, maybe affect 1% of is crap.

[golfing eagles]

Simple answer. You are right, he is wrong. But, ego and "die hard" political stance will likely never allow him to even see the truth or acknowledge it.

Simpler answer. I am right, and climate change weenies are wrong.

[golfing eagles]

Thank you for the your post. I am on board with your graphics. Numbers tell the story. Been here in Florida for over 50 years and I can tell you this IT'S HOT" Looking back at growing up in the 40's not too many folks owned a car back in the day. When you look at the numbers as the years pass, the numbers go up. Today, we have at least two cars per home

I would classify that as faulty logic, if there was any logic in it at all.

So, since you mention cars, try this one: 20,000 years ago NYC was under 2 miles of ice. By the dawn of the industrial revolution, prior to massive burning of fossil fuels, the ice had all melted and the climate was about the same as today. So, what make and model of SUV did Fred Flintstone and friends drive???? Why did the planet get so much warmer from 20,000 years ago until the beginning of industrialization??? Maybe I should put THAT on a "graph".

[rustyp]

The blind will not see. Somebody, I don't know who, oh, it was golfing Eagles wrote in BOLD ALL CAPS

IT WAS HOTTER ON A DAY 44 YEARS AGO THAN IT WAS YESTERDAY.

Now let me help with that sentence. 44 years ago was 1978/1979. As the data says hottest since 1979 it must have been 1978 in your statement.

Don't come back here and prevaricate about what you thought you read. You probably are embarrassed you didn't read carefully. You continue to make claims about 20000 years ago and such. But look at the graphs I posted. The early years are temps calculated from data such as tree rings etc. We only have rounded yearly temperature data for the last 150 years and we only have worldwide daily data since 1979 in this data set which is the standard being used.

So yes you said it was hotter in 1978. You were wrong. You misunderstood what you read because you refuse to accept the science. There is no evidence that axis tilt, or the old favorite sunspots etc are causing the extremely rapid increase in global temperatures.

We have been thru several sunspot cycles, there is no correlation to our temperature changes. The earth did not sudden change it's axis in the last 40 years. You need more mud for your dike.

Simpler answer. I am right, and climate change weenies are wrong.

And this folks is what it is like to be trapped in the house 3/4 of the day in paradise mid summer - and it is only the beginning of July.

[golfing eagles]

And this folks is what it is like to be trapped in the house 3/4 of the day in paradise mid summer - and it is only the beginning of July.

Hardly. Played 18 Thursday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday, Tuesday and got 17 1/2 in today before the rain. I cannot speak for others.

[I'm Popeye!]

If only you can see them now... :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[rsmurano]

Who in their right mind believes in these so called climate change scientists/proponents like Al Gore or better yet, Greta Thunberg or AOC?
We have heard the same dire predictions from the left for almost 100 years, to control the country/world for their agenda.
Lets recap over that past 50 years on so called dire predictions that never came true:
in 1972, “We have ten years to stop the catastrophe,” said the UN’s environmental protection boss. That’s one of the headlines collected by Bjorn Lomberg, author of “False Alarm: How Climate Change Panic Costs Us Trillions, Hurts the Poor, and Fails to Fix the Planet.”

in 1982: Tolba, head of UN Environment
Programme in Che New York Times: If the nations of the world continue their current policies they will face by the year 2000: "an environmental catastrophe as
irreversible as any nuclear holocaust"

1989: Senior UN environmental official tells Associated Press, published around the world: U.N. Predicts Disaster if Global Warming Not Checked
Associated Press UNITED NATIONS (AP) - A senior U.N. environmental official says entire nations could be wiped off the face of the Earth by rising sea levels if the global warming trend is not reversed by the year 2000.
Coastal flooding and crop failures would create an exodus of "eco- refuges." We have to fix climate change by 1999 or climate change goes beyond human control: He said governments have a 10 year window of opportunity to solve the greenhouse effect before *Global disaster, nations wiped off the
ladesh could be flooded, displacing a fourth face of the earth, crop failures'
* in the Nile Delta would be flooded

2007: Rajendra Pachauri, head of U.N. Chief Seeks More Leadership on
Climate Change the UN Climate Panel.
Rosenthal, Elisabeth; Andrew C. Revkin contributed reporting from New York. "What we do in the next two to three years will determine our future"
The New York Times "If there is no action before 2012, that's too late"

Only 11 Years Left to Prevent Irreversible Damage from Climate Change, Speakers
Warn during General Assembly High-Level Meeting

In 1974, scientists Mario Molina and F. Sherry Rowland published a paper theorising that CFCs could destroy ozone in Earth's stratosphere.

I'm still here, cities all along the coasts are still here, glaciers are still here. There is a theme for all the propaganda brought upon these so called activists/scientists (?), we have 10 years or we are doomed.

[I'm Popeye!]

We tried going to the pool on the 4th but the water was so hot we lasted only 5 minutes. How does anyone feel refreshed in the simmering temps of these Villages pools? As newbies it’s so disappointing.

They do have nice cool pools in Oslo that might be to your liking, Good Luck, and Enjoy!

[I'm Popeye!]

There is a theme for all the propaganda brought upon these so called activists/scientists (?)

In your last sentence, you hit the nail right on the head!
There is a theme for all the propaganda brought upon these so-called activists/scientists (?)

[Taltarzac725]

Evidence | Facts – Climate Change: Vital Signs of the Planet (https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/)

I would credit NASA a lot more than people who label working scientists as propagandists. Most scientists are not bull ****ters.

[rustyp]

Hardly. Played 18 Thursday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday, Tuesday and got 17 1/2 in today before the rain. I cannot speak for others.

Here at my camp in the Adirondacks it hit 91 degrees today. The temp tied the all time record. I stayed inside from noon to four. Very costly - my bride enrolled us in marriage counseling.

[Byte1]

Hey, Talt, I think you struck a nerve on this "steeple in FOX clothing".

That's OK, I have thick skin. I doubt anyone has ever called me (even covertly) a sheep. Hope you don't get punished for name calling, because I believe in a person's freedom to voice their opinion. By the way, I was just interested in how FOX got pulled into the conversation, and which one of their employees was the "loud mouth" that he brings into the conversation frequently. I used to watch FOX some, but they seemed to be moving too much to the left. I get my news from Internet sources. Like most folks, I do not enjoy hearing opinion mixed into news. If I want opinion, I can read or watch commentators. :024:

[mtdjed]

And this folks is what it is like to be trapped in the house 3/4 of the day in paradise mid summer - and it is only the beginning of July.

Simple answer. You are right, he is wrong. But, ego and "die hard" political stance will likely never allow him to even see the truth or acknowledge it.

The blind will not see. Somebody, I don't know who, oh, it was golfing Eagles wrote in BOLD ALL CAPS

IT WAS HOTTER ON A DAY 44 YEARS AGO THAN IT WAS YESTERDAY.

Now let me help with that sentence. 44 years ago was 1978/1979. As the data says hottest since 1979 it must have been 1978 in your statement.

Don't come back here and prevaricate about what you thought you read. You probably are embarrassed you didn't read carefully. You continue to make claims about 20000 years ago and such. But look at the graphs I posted. The early years are temps calculated from data such as tree rings etc. We only have rounded yearly temperature data for the last 150 years and we only have worldwide daily data since 1979 in this data set which is the standard being used.

So yes you said it was hotter in 1978. You were wrong. You misunderstood what you read because you refuse to accept the science. There is no evidence that axis tilt, or the old favorite sunspots etc are causing the extremely rapid increase in global temperatures.

We have been thru several sunspot cycles, there is no correlation to our temperature changes. The earth did not sudden change it's axis in the last 40 years. You need more mud for your dike.

This topic always comes to the same people arguing, insulting etc. Allright, I believe the earth is getting warmer by 1degree C since 1900. I made it this long and even moved south to enjoy the warm weather. What should we personally do to stop the heat? Better yet what are you doing to stop it. Arguing on Talk of The Villages isn't productive. We have heard the story many times. Perhaps, you could quit taking the bait and limit warning us to one post every year or so. I promise to turn up my AC temperature 1 degree centigrade. Some people may disagree but let them have their opinion.

[NYMAN]

D o you actually believe ANYTHING the media has to say, they are all full of s*%t

[sounding]

I just love how the media either passively or actively colludes with certain powers that be to push an idiotic narrative.

If you have the WFTV channel 9 weather app, the banner at the top of the hourly forecast reads "Tuesday set global record for hottest day ever" OMG!!!! The climate change weenies must have been right all along!!! Chicken Little, the sky is falling!!!!

Until..... you click on it and find out it was the hottest global temperature since 1979

In other words, for all the misguided climate change believers out there, IT WAS HOTTER ON A DAY 44 YEARS AGO THAN IT WAS YESTERDAY. So much for the inexecrable temperature rise that is steadily leading us to extinction.

Yet, the media and those in power that will benefit from spending $100 TRILLION on this folly just go merrily along pushing their false narrative. But what's worse is that the force can have a profound effect on the weak-minded.

Excellent post. And talking about temperature rise ... that's the narrative, while the data says otherwise. The 9-year trend still shows cooling.

[sounding]

Here at my camp in the Adirondacks it hit 91 degrees today. The temp tied the all time record. I stayed inside from noon to four. Very costly - my bride enrolled us in marriage counseling.

What was the date of the prior record?

[sounding]

Evidence | Facts – Climate Change: Vital Signs of the Planet (https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/)

I would credit NASA a lot more than people who label working scientists as propagandists. Most scientists are not bull ****ters.

NASA and NOAA alter and fabricate temperature data on a daily basis. They do it to make the data fit the narrative. Not cool. “a crime against the community” | Real Climate Science (https://realclimatescience.com/2023/07/a-crime-against-the-community/)

[Bill14564]

Excellent post. And talking about temperature rise ... that's the narrative, while the data says otherwise. The 9-year trend still shows cooling.

Still incorrect and misleading data analysis as pointed out every time you posted this.

[fdpaq0580]

Simpler answer. I am right, and climate change weenies are wrong.

Weenies? That made me laugh. Your funny, but still wrong.

[fdpaq0580]

I would classify that as faulty logic, if there was any logic in it at all.

So, since you mention cars, try this one: 20,000 years ago NYC was under 2 miles of ice. By the dawn of the industrial revolution, prior to massive burning of fossil fuels, the ice had all melted and the climate was about the same as today. So, what make and model of SUV did Fred Flintstone and friends drive???? Why did the planet get so much warmer from 20,000 years ago until the beginning of industrialization??? Maybe I should put THAT on a "graph".

It only seems faulty to you because you fail to grasp the reality.

[Taltarzac725]

Scientific Consensus | Facts – Climate Change: Vital Signs of the Planet (https://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/)

I fail to see the arguments put out by some people on Talk of the Villages. If the earth is on a cycle we will all be dead by the end of it. I mean humans and a 100,000 year cycle. Global warming will have killed us.

We are going to hell in a handbasket and should be doing everything in our power to stop it. Cycle or not.

[mtdjed]

Weenies? That made me laugh. Your funny, but still wrong.

No offence. Do you discuss these obsessions with continuing these discussions with your significant other? All for the sake of argument. Either, like school kids am too, are not or old men I'm right, you're wrong.

Give us a hint of what you have done to help solve the problem that you are so obsessed with. Do you have solar panels? Have you reduced your carbon footprint and eliminated use of fossil fuels? Electric vehicles, no air travel, eliminate AC/Heat (Didn't have it before temp rise).

If you are doing nothing significant, why not drop your criticism of other's opinions of the problem?

[Klearhead]

LOL, okay so if your 43 or younger it's the hottest day of your short life....ROTFL

[golfing eagles]

Scientific Consensus | Facts – Climate Change: Vital Signs of the Planet (https://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/)

I fail to see the arguments put out by some people on Talk of the Villages. If the earth is on a cycle we will all be dead by the end of it. I mean humans and a 100,000 year cycle. Global warming will have killed us.

We are going to hell in a handbasket and should be doing everything in our power to stop it. Cycle or not.

It's not just "global warming". It is 60-100,000 year cycles of glaciation and interglacial thaws occurring more than a dozen times over the last 4.5 million years. And humans/humanoids have survived ALL OF THEM. Yet people think that changing from fossil fuel burning cars to cars powered by electricity created by burning fossil fuels is going to change that???? Hmmm......

[mntlblok]

Evidence | Facts – Climate Change: Vital Signs of the Planet (https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/#:~:text=Ice%20cores%20drawn%20from%20Greenland,an d%20layers%20of%20sedimentary%20rocks).

I would believe NASA long before I would believe the latest loud mouth on a FOX station.

And it takes a strong mind to deal with the threat of global warming. A weak one just believes it is all a hoax when it cannot deal with reality.

I struggle to see global warming as something other than a form of free energy. I'm all for clean(er) air and water, but I struggle to find much to scare me about a few feet of sea level rise. I *have* been wrong before, though, and always enjoy learning. :-)

[Cobullymom]

Why do you go to the insult at the end of your post? Do you think that makes someone think you are s person that I can have a sincere discussion with? Since your post does not really come across as someone interested in getting the facts, google it yourself. There are numerous articles in health and science magazines saying men can in fact get pregnant.
Men? Since when do men have uteruses? Oh, you mean women who are pretending to be men?...Then they are not men, they have taken testosterone to look like a man on the outside, but they will never be a man.

[Keefelane66]

No Fred Flintstone did not drive an SUV.
The proliferation of A/C in virtually ever home is helping global warming since the 60’s
Standing next to my A/c condenser doing some yard work this mornin ohboy the heated air coming from it made me retreat inside today it’s 80° with a heat index of 87° it’s 08:20

[golfing eagles]

No Fred Flintstone did not drive an SUV.
The proliferation of A/C in virtually ever home is helping global warming since the 60’s
Standing next to my A/c condenser doing some yard work this mornin ohboy the heated air coming from it made me retreat inside today it’s 80° with a heat index of 87° it’s 08:20

And the heat you feel standing next to the condenser came from the inside of your house which is now correspondingly cooler, a net sum zero transaction except for the electricity used to power the AC.

[ThirdOfFive]

Hardly. Played 18 Thursday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday, Tuesday and got 17 1/2 in today before the rain. I cannot speak for others.
Bingo. My wife and I got in a round on Amberwood, finishing just as the first drops came down. And we NEVER us a golf cart on the course, only pull carts.

Yeah, it was hot. But I used to ski back in Minnesota when it was 30 below zero. You can complain about the weather, or you can embrace it. We choose to embrace it.

[Whitley]

That's OK, I have thick skin. I doubt anyone has ever called me (even covertly) a sheep. Hope you don't get punished for name calling, because I believe in a person's freedom to voice their opinion. By the way, I was just interested in how FOX got pulled into the conversation, and which one of their employees was the "loud mouth" that he brings into the conversation frequently. I used to watch FOX some, but they seemed to be moving too much to the left. I get my news from Internet sources. Like most folks, I do not enjoy hearing opinion mixed into news. If I want opinion, I can read or watch commentators. :024:

I never heard the expression of a steeple in fox clothing. Is that a new one? I find it difficult to imagine a steeple in clothes. I also can not think of what clothes a fox wears.

[ThirdOfFive]

We tried going to the pool on the 4th but the water was so hot we lasted only 5 minutes. How does anyone feel refreshed in the simmering temps of these Villages pools? As newbies it’s so disappointing.
Back UpNort, we had a custom called the "Polar Plunge". Usually held as a fundraiser though some people did it for fun, usually aided by a few shots of slivovitz. People gathered pledges, then on the day of the "plunge", usually New Year's day for some reason, a large hole was cut in the ice of some lake, maybe 50' x 50' or so, strip down to swim trunks or whatever one usually swam in, and jump in. You got extra applause if you could swim the length of the hole and crawl out on the other side. Certain body parts would shrink down to beneath minuscule, if you get my drift.

Along the same lines, Duluth, MN, during my time there, had a club called the Polar Bear Club. Each New Year's Day, members of the club would take a swim in Lake Superior. Great fun!

I prefer my glasses half full.

[Whitley]

Men? Since when do men have uteruses? Oh, you mean women who are pretending to be men?...Then they are not men, they have taken testosterone to look like a man on the outside, but they will never be a man.

You haven't heard? According to a planned parenthood doctor namedDr. Kumar. in his testimony before congress, stated "Men can have pregnancies, especially trans men,". The statement is confusing on multiple levels. Let's assume he believes women who identify as men are real men (I know, right.). He goes on to say men can get pregnant, "especially" trans men. I wonder what other types of men he believes can get pregnant.

[Byte1]

I never heard the expression of a steeple in fox clothing. Is that a new one? I find it difficult to imagine a steeple in clothes. I also can not think of what clothes a fox wears.

Good point. :thumbup:

[Keefelane66]

And the heat you feel standing next to the condenser came from the inside of your house which is now correspondingly cooler, a net sum zero transaction except for the electricity used to power the AC.
Wrong
“ The condensing temperature of the refrigerant is usually about 30–35 degrees F above the ambient (outside) air. So the air temp will be roughly about 25–30 degrees over the outside air (we always move more air than we absolutely need across the coil).”

[LuvNH]

You haven't heard? According to a planned parenthood doctor namedDr. Kumar. in his testimony before congress, stated "Men can have pregnancies, especially trans men,". The statement is confusing on multiple levels. Let's assume he believes women who identify as men are real men (I know, right.). He goes on to say men can get pregnant, "especially" trans men. I wonder what other types of men he believes can get pregnant.

Well, this is a no brainier. A trans man is still a woman until she has her female organs removed.

[Villagesgal]

False conspiracy, push buttons, leading weak minded people on? Go back and read newspapers from the 1800's and the early 1900's, this is nothing new, it's always been this way and always will be. It's not a conspiracy on the right or the lefts part, it's a way to sell newspapers and get viewers. Nothing new there.

[golfing eagles]

Wrong
“ The condensing temperature of the refrigerant is usually about 30–35 degrees F above the ambient (outside) air. So the air temp will be roughly about 25–30 degrees over the outside air (we always move more air than we absolutely need across the coil).”

Wrong. Look at the volume of air in a house as compared to the outdoors. This is exactly the principle upon which heat pumps work. You cannot create more heat by exchanging it---simple thermodynamic principle. the only added heat comes from the inefficiency of the unit and the power that is used

[merrymini]

We are currently in the Holocene epoch which dates back about 12,000 years when the glaciers began to recede. Not our fault. But that is when humans began to thrive. There have been world droughts lasting about 100 years, about 4,200 years ago, again, not our fault, and mini ice ages in the 1,500’s, again, not our fault. Borings show huge temperature variations throughout the history of the earth and that will not change. No one knows why the Holocene period began and no one knows when it will end. I think worrying about it does not make sense. You want to have an impact on quality of life, stop using disposable plastics.

[Taltarzac725]

The Science of Climate Change | The world is warming | Wisconsin DNR (https://dnr.wisconsin.gov/climatechange/science#:~:text=Global%20temperature%20is%20projec ted%20to,7.2%20degrees%20Fahrenheit)%20by%202100).

Will Wisconsin look like the temps of the FL of 2023 in 2123?

[golfing eagles]

The Science of Climate Change | The world is warming | Wisconsin DNR (https://dnr.wisconsin.gov/climatechange/science#:~:text=Global%20temperature%20is%20projec ted%20to,7.2%20degrees%20Fahrenheit)%20by%202100).

Will Wisconsin look like the temps of the FL of 2023 in 2123?

It might. But IF it does, it will have nothing to do with your SUV

[collie1228]

If you are looking for "truth" in "the narrative" put forth by the climate people, you may find yourself on a fool's errand. There is so much misinformation on both sides, that the truth is probably impossible to know.

[Taltarzac725]

It might. But IF it does, it will have nothing to do with your SUV

Beg to differ. Not much with my carbon footprint but a whole lot say with the cars in Los Angeles every day. Or NYC.

Climate change and Minnesota | Minnesota DNR (https://www.dnr.state.mn.us/climate/climate_change_info/index.html)

[manaboutown]

Scientific Consensus | Facts – Climate Change: Vital Signs of the Planet (https://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/)

I fail to see the arguments put out by some people on Talk of the Villages. If the earth is on a cycle we will all be dead by the end of it. I mean humans and a 100,000 year cycle. Global warming will have killed us.

We are going to hell in a handbasket and should be doing everything in our power to stop it. Cycle or not.

"The sky is falling! The sky is falling!" Spend, spend, spend trillions to stop it!

That said I am all for maintaining a clean environment which would require worldwide cooperation. Any meaningful atmospheric cleanup would need to start with China. Good luck with that! The deforestation of the Amazon rainforest has been a huge factor so that needs to be reversed as well to get more oxygen back in the atmosphere. Also getting the plastic islands out of the oceans and cleaning them up is important.

Of course there is nothing we can do about changes in the earth's orbit around the sun, the temperature of the sun and the earth's perturbations. Perturbations of the Earth's rotation and their implications for the present-day mass balance of both polar ice caps | Geophysical Journal International | Oxford Academic (https://academic.oup.com/gji/article/152/1/124/701445)

I think a stray large asteroid colliding with earth is more likely to end humankind than global warming.

[golfing eagles]

Beg to differ. Not much with my carbon footprint but a whole lot say with the cars in Los Angeles every day. Or NYC.

"Carbon footprint" is a joke, promulgated by those with a climate change agenda that would most likely profit them.. First of all, CO2 is not the primary greenhouse gas on Earth, water vapor holds that distinction. Secondly, ice core records show that the current level of CO2 in our atmosphere is at a relatively low level compared to the past several million years.

[Taltarzac725]

If you are looking for "truth" in "the narrative" put forth by the climate people, you may find yourself on a fool's errand. There is so much misinformation on both sides, that the truth is probably impossible to know.

I do not see two sides of this. There is the global warming threat which may make this world uninhabitable in six generations or so. 180 years.

UN IPCC report: 'Parts of the planet will become uninhabitable' (https://whyy.org/articles/un-ipcc-climate-change-report-uninhabitable-planet-code-red/)

[Keefelane66]

Wrong. Look at the volume of air in a house as compared to the outdoors. This is exactly the principle upon which heat pumps work. You cannot create more heat by exchanging it---simple thermodynamic principle. the only added heat comes from the inefficiency of the unit and the power that is used
HotSpot reclaims the heat that you normally throw away. It connects to the hottest point in your air conditioner system, the hot gas circuit between the compressor and condenser where temperatures up to 200 ºF exist. The HotSpot captures excess heat and puts it into the water through a special heat exchanger.
It’s attached a a/c condenser heating water in domestic water heater to 120° during a/c operation eliminating need for electric coil to operate.

[golfing eagles]

If you are looking for "truth" in "the narrative" put forth by the climate people, you may find yourself on a fool's errand. There is so much misinformation on both sides, that the truth is probably impossible to know.

Actually, I don't think anyone knows "the truth". We roughly know what the past 4 million years has been. But the future????

Yes, we are pumping large amounts of CO2 into the atmosphere, but the question remains of whether that will cause a catastrophic shift in our climate or is just a drop in the bucket of climate change forces that are far more powerful than your SUV.

We simply don't have enough data for a long enough timespan to draw definitive conclusions one way or the other. Yes, both sides have presented pretty graphs derived from cherry picked data, but they MEAN NOTHING. Seven years of a cooling trend or 150 years of burning fossil fuels is irrelevant when trying to predict the future of a climate that has been cyclically alternating between periods of glaciation and interglacial thaws and driven by the power of the sun, Earth's orbit and axis changes.

I don't know the answer, but I'm pretty sure there is an agenda at work here. The "science" that the climate change advocates cite is given to us by climatologists who are almost universally owned by the government or the universities. Search other climate change threads. One poster has a son, a climatologist at a university, who challenged the global warming narrative---read what happened to him. The powers that be, through government grants, university tenure, and control of publications essentially have a gun held to the professional life of most climatologists. And I think it is obvious that the media is all too happy to push this narrative as well. There was a bad guy, about 85 years ago who said "the bigger the lie, the more people will believe it". It was one of the few things he had right.

[golfing eagles]

I do not see two sides of this. There is the global warming threat which may make this world uninhabitable in six generations or so. 180 years.

UN IPCC report: 'Parts of the planet will become uninhabitable' (https://whyy.org/articles/un-ipcc-climate-change-report-uninhabitable-planet-code-red/)

Tal---you're a really smart guy---how can you possibly buy into this. "Make the World uninhabitable in six generations"????? You're joking, or playing devil's advocate, right????

The headline states "'Parts of the planet will become uninhabitable"---Parts of the world ARE uninhabitable----always have been, nothing new there. This planet has been "habitable" for over 4 BILLION years. Life here has survived massive volcanic eruptions, catastrophic geological shifts and collisions with asteroids and comets. Yet in 180 years SUV's will make the planet "unhabitable"? Like I said, nobody should actually believe that nonsense.

[rustyp]

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[Byte1]

I do not see two sides of this. There is the global warming threat which may make this world uninhabitable in six generations or so. 180 years.

UN IPCC report: 'Parts of the planet will become uninhabitable' (https://whyy.org/articles/un-ipcc-climate-change-report-uninhabitable-planet-code-red/)

They have been saying that for over a hundred years. At what point do they concede that they just don't know what the future holds regarding the climate? And if man can't survive, why do we care now? 180 years from now, my dead body won't care. In a 180 years, man will likely be polluting Mars atmosphere. Besides, an asteroid is due to collide with earth in the next five years. Be careful out there because you might get beaned on the head by a golf ball or run down by a electric assisted bicycle. Or, maybe someone will create another COVID virus to kill off the old folks.

[fdpaq0580]

I never heard the expression of a steeple in fox clothing. Is that a new one? I find it difficult to imagine a steeple in clothes. I also can not think of what clothes a fox wears.

Dear friend, "steeple" was my auto-correct doing what it likes to do, changing what I typed to something else when I send it. I often see typos and usually manage to understand what the contributor intended. And, I also never heard that expression either. Hope you got a laugh out of it.

[Byte1]

Dear friend, "steeple" was my auto-correct doing what it likes to do, changing what I typed to something else when I send it. I often see typos and usually manage to understand what the contributor intended. And, I also never heard that expression either. Hope you got a laugh out of it.

Some folks fat finger their keyboards and blame it on spell check, also. :D

[golfing eagles]

Some folks fat finger their keyboards and blame it on spell check, also. :D

That's OK, I'm still trying to figure out how "A steeple in fox clothing" could be spell corrected, misspelled, or "fat fingered" for the age-old adage "A wolf in sheep's clothing":1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[Taltarzac725]

Ocean Warming - Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution (https://www.whoi.edu/know-your-ocean/ocean-topics/climate-weather/ocean-warming/)

I have respect for science which is usually people trying to get to the facts not avoid, change or cover them up.

[mntlblok]

Wrong. Look at the volume of air in a house as compared to the outdoors. This is exactly the principle upon which heat pumps work. You cannot create more heat by exchanging it---simple thermodynamic principle. the only added heat comes from the inefficiency of the unit and the power that is used

"Simple" and "thermodynamic principle" don't mesh in my little world. :-)

[Taltarzac725]

"Simple" and "thermodynamic principle" don't mesh in my little world. :-)

6 Claims Made by Climate Change Skeptics—and How to Respond | Rainforest Alliance (https://www.rainforest-alliance.org/everyday-actions/6-claims-made-by-climate-change-skeptics-and-how-to-respond/?c_src=MDS22VX&c_src2=22vvmmembcpc&creative=435537818866&keyword=climate%20change&matchtype=b&network=g&device=c&gad=1&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI5vnTjoz9_wIV4IdaBR2pSwdZEAAYAyAA EgJE8_D_BwE)

Hope this works.

[golfing eagles]

6 Claims Made by Climate Change Skeptics—and How to Respond | Rainforest Alliance (https://www.rainforest-alliance.org/everyday-actions/6-claims-made-by-climate-change-skeptics-and-how-to-respond/?c_src=MDS22VX&c_src2=22vvmmembcpc&creative=435537818866&keyword=climate%20change&matchtype=b&network=g&device=c&gad=1&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI5vnTjoz9_wIV4IdaBR2pSwdZEAAYAyAA EgJE8_D_BwE)

Hope this works.

I looked at it. At best, it is pseudoscientific propaganda. At worst it is a cult. I'm honestly surprised you don't know better.

Three word sentences was much mor fun than this, my friend :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[Taltarzac725]

I looked at it. At best, it is pseudoscientific propaganda. At worst it is a cult. I'm honestly surprised you don't know better.

A cult? Pseudoscientific propaganda. Hogwash.

https://www.nationalacademies.org/based-on-science/climate-change-humans-are-causing-global-warming?gclid=EAIaIQobChMItqTKvI_9_wIVFrqGCh0FqgCo EAAYAiAAEgJ04PD_BwE

[Bill14564]

I looked at it. At best, it is pseudoscientific propaganda. At worst it is a cult. I'm honestly surprised you don't know better.

There was very little science presented so I don't know how you can honestly characterize it as pseudoscientfic. I would like to see the data behind some of the responses but the responses (climate is not weather, changes are occurring more rapidly, species are becoming stressed or extinct, etc) are logical and consistent with what would be expected from climate change.

A cult? Rejecting any data and any arguments as merely a result of a greed-driven conspiracy driven sounds more like a cult to me.

[Byte1]

Ocean Warming - Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution (https://www.whoi.edu/know-your-ocean/ocean-topics/climate-weather/ocean-warming/)

I have respect for science which is usually people trying to get to the facts not avoid, change or cover them up.

Ocean warming? Are you going to give credit to the many volcanoes that erupt under the oceans/seas? Surely you don't really believe that man is totally responsible for global warming?
About thirty+ years ago, I happened upon a gov. website (back when hacking was not so regulated) where they had stats from electronic monitors at the poles. They were measuring ice thickness and water temperature. When everyone else was concerned about the ice caps melting, the monitors showed that the ice was melting from the bottom, due to the oceans warming. Since then, I believe I read somewhere that the ice had increased a bit in thickness.
Personally, I doubt that man is powerful enough to warm the oceans just by living on this planet. But, I do believe the scientists that say that we are experiencing a multitude of under water volcano eruptions.

[golfing eagles]

A cult? Pseudoscientific propaganda. Hogwash.

https://www.nationalacademies.org/based-on-science/climate-change-humans-are-causing-global-warming?gclid=EAIaIQobChMItqTKvI_9_wIVFrqGCh0FqgCo EAAYAiAAEgJ04PD_BwE

That article reads just like an instruction manual for scientologists or moonies on how to respond to all the rest of us "stupid" people who don't know that theirs is the one true religion.

So yes---the cult of chicken little the sky is warming

[mntlblok]

I do not see two sides of this. There is the global warming threat which may make this world uninhabitable in six generations or so. 180 years.

UN IPCC report: 'Parts of the planet will become uninhabitable' (https://whyy.org/articles/un-ipcc-climate-change-report-uninhabitable-planet-code-red/)

That caused me to go take a look at said report. "By 2050, a billion people will face coastal flooding risk from rising seas, the report says". Such silliness caused it to lose all credibility.

[manaboutown]

Ocean Warming - Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution (https://www.whoi.edu/know-your-ocean/ocean-topics/climate-weather/ocean-warming/)

I have respect for science which is usually people trying to get to the facts not avoid, change or cover them up.

It used to be that way post-Copernicus. Not any more. Carefully examine who/what is funding the studies and/or experiments. What is the desired outcome from a particular commercial and/or political power position? Who/what has an agenda to "prove" this or that for their own benefit?

[Whitley]

A cult? Pseudoscientific propaganda. Hogwash.

https://www.nationalacademies.org/based-on-science/climate-change-humans-are-causing-global-warming?gclid=EAIaIQobChMItqTKvI_9_wIVFrqGCh0FqgCo EAAYAiAAEgJ04PD_BwE

So we agree?

[mntlblok]

It used to be that way. Not any more...

Take a look at the number of "retractions" of scientific "studies/papers" these days, including in such "name" journals as _Science_ and _Nature_. Afraid our world is becoming absurder and absurder.

[Two Bills]

No Fred Flintstone did not drive an SUV.
The proliferation of A/C in virtually ever home is helping global warming since the 60’s
Standing next to my A/c condenser doing some yard work this mornin ohboy the heated air coming from it made me retreat inside today it’s 80° with a heat index of 87° it’s 08:20

Don't worry about your A/C warming the planet.
Our Air Source heating is cooling the world.
Works same as A/C but in reverse.
Cold out, warm in, to heat hot water system.
Wonderful system in summer.
Useless in winter when we need heating for radiators, as cold air outside contributes nothing to the system!