Drought

[sounding]

What happened to the drought? I thought it was a climate crisis.

[Taltarzac725]

What happened to the drought? I thought it was a climate crisis.

Drought (https://www.who.int/health-topics/drought#tab=tab_1)

Cherry picking going on this Tuesday.

An estimated 55 million people globally are affected by droughts every year, and they are the most serious hazard to livestock and crops in nearly every part of the world. Drought threatens people’s livelihoods, increases the risk of disease and death, and fuels mass migration. Water scarcity impacts 40% of the world’s population, and as many as 700 million people are at-risk of being displaced as a result of drought by 2030.

[MrFlorida]

What happened to the drought? I thought it was a climate crisis.

It ended when the rainy season started.....

[Keefelane66]

Since we’re finally getting our Summer rain in The Villages the world is OK.

[golfing eagles]

What happened to the drought? I thought it was a climate crisis.

No you didn't :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[metalic]

What happened to the drought? I thought it was a climate crisis.

I must say, I find your logic to be rather confused.

For decades, the scientists have been saying that climate change will cause some areas to be wetter than usual, and other areas to be drier. Likewise, some areas will be hotter than usual whereas others will be colder.

Yet, when exactly what they predicted is actually taking place, you cite this as evidence that climate change is not real?

[ThirdOfFive]

What happened to the drought? I thought it was a climate crisis.
Crisis? Florida's weather, except for hurricanes, seems as predictible as a clock.

[djplong]

It also means more extremes. More rain AND more droughts - though I know that sounds counter-intuitive. Up herein New England, we had a long dry spell not too long ago and now we have flooding in Vermont. In California the "rain superhighway" did a number on their mega-drought. It means that old methodologies for predicting specifics are changing because we're literally defining a "new normal". Well, new to us. Carbon levels this high HAVE been seen by other species that are still on the planet.

[huge-pigeons]

All of this is normal. The earth goes in cycles, we get El Niño or La Niña every so many years and this has nothing to do with climate change. There’s been predictions from the so-called climate scientists that all of the ocean border cities will be under water over 50 years. We are supposed to be in a starting ice age phase since it’s been over a few hundred thousand years

[donfey]

I must say, I find your logic to be rather confused.

For decades, the scientists have been saying that climate change will cause some areas to be wetter than usual, and other areas to be drier. Likewise, some areas will be hotter than usual whereas others will be colder.

Yet, when exactly what they predicted is actually taking place, you cite this as evidence that climate change is not real?

It IS real, but we call it seasons.

[dewilson58]

Bait

[crash]

What happened to the drought? I thought it was a climate crisis.

It is a world crisis and maybe you should look up the difference between weather and climate.

It does rain in a desert sometimes still a desert. In case you haven’t noticed much of the world in the middle of a heat wave

[Windguy]

I am truly shocked that so many people still do not understand the difference between climate and weather. I blame it on the politicians who bring snowballs to congressional hearings to disprove climate science.

[merrymini]

Every change is a crisis. Bla, bla, bla.

[Wondering]

What happened to the drought? I thought it was a climate crisis.
Don't you do any legitimate research? Global Warming/Climate Change involves extreme weather and climate. Research before you open your mouth!

[Mobrien]

Watch the news. The world is experiencing a climate crisis!

[Whitley]

I must say, I find your logic to be rather confused.

For decades, the scientists have been saying that climate change will cause some areas to be wetter than usual, and other areas to be drier. Likewise, some areas will be hotter than usual whereas others will be colder.

Yet, when exactly what they predicted is actually taking place, you cite this as evidence that climate change is not real?

You understand how that sounds to someone looking into the situation. Some areas will be wetter than usual, with some being drier. Some locations hotter, yet others cooler. It reminds me of that old Carlin Weather skit. Today, sunny, till sunset then turning darker. Nothing anyone says will sway another. We have been deceived and lied to so often that it is difficult to accept anything as fact. Unfortunate.

[airstreamingypsy]

Bait

Yep, and it gets tiresome when it's on a daily basis.

[Whitley]

Don't you do any legitimate research? Global Warming/Climate Change involves extreme weather and climate. Research before you open your mouth!

Aren't you Mr. Personality. A pleasure to be around I am sure.

[Rsener]

What happened to the drought? I thought it was a climate crisis.
Ya can’t fix stupid

[maistocars]

I must say, I find your logic to be rather confused.

For decades, the scientists have been saying that climate change will cause some areas to be wetter than usual, and other areas to be drier. Likewise, some areas will be hotter than usual whereas others will be colder.

Yet, when exactly what they predicted is actually taking place, you cite this as evidence that climate change is not real?
So you mean like normal weather patterns?

[forebubba]

What happened to the drought? I thought it was a climate crisis.

You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink.
You can also give all the facts but some will not belief the facts.

[Vermilion Villager]

I must say, I find your logic to be rather confused.

For decades, the scientists have been saying that climate change will cause some areas to be wetter than usual, and other areas to be drier. Likewise, some areas will be hotter than usual whereas others will be colder.

Yet, when exactly what they predicted is actually taking place, you cite this as evidence that climate change is not real?
"Confused" and this guy you replied to are interchangeable terms:1rotfl:

[Whitley]

Ya can’t fix stupid

I sense a high level of hostility this morning.

[Vermilion Villager]

I am truly shocked that so many people still do not understand the difference between climate and weather. I blame it on the politicians who bring snowballs to congressional hearings to disprove climate science.
Exactly!!! and now the same state is begging for federal aid......

Heat wave in USA expected to reach Oklahoma, bring triple-digit temps (https://www.oklahoman.com/story/weather/severe/2023/06/26/weather-oklahoma-forecast-heat-wave-cooling-centers-okc-utility-help/70358302007/)

[TheWarriors]

You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink.
You can also give all the facts but some will not belief the facts.

And just who paid for the facts they wanted for the outcome. Too much politics in studies today to have any confidence of being unbiased.

[FredTheHead]

If it isn't happening in The Villages it just doesn't matter to some of us here. Some of us only have a few years left so we don't want to live in really, we live in The Villages.

[Pachine58]

So low down is govt officials claiming climate change hoax. Do you see them giving up their expensive gas guzzling SUVs ? Do you see them giving up their personal yachts? Do you see solar panels or a windmill in the front of their mansions? Do you see them giving up their expensive taxpayers steak dinners for bugs.

Of course not, it a tool used to control the population and make sure the resources are used for them while the average American suffers.

[rogerrice60]

Your scientists are idiotic, in the 1960's all talk shows were convinced that GLOBAL COOLING was destroying the world. They claimed the " ICE CAP" was growing so big it would tip the world off it's axis

[Vermilion Villager]

Thermometers don't lie folks......
How Hot Is the Sea Off Florida Right Now? Think 90s Fahrenheit. (https://www.yahoo.com/news/hot-sea-off-florida-now-113817438.html)

[Keefelane66]

It’s only going to get warmer.

[sounding]

It’s only going to get warmer.

Correct, because we are still thawing out from the Little Ice Age.

[sounding]

Watch the news. The world is experiencing a climate crisis!

That's why I don't watch news - it's mostly propaganda. I instead watch the data, which says there is no climate crisis.

[sounding]

I must say, I find your logic to be rather confused.

For decades, the scientists have been saying that climate change will cause some areas to be wetter than usual, and other areas to be drier. Likewise, some areas will be hotter than usual whereas others will be colder.

Yet, when exactly what they predicted is actually taking place, you cite this as evidence that climate change is not real?

All climate model predictions have been too hot - even from NASA scientists. It's embarrassing.

[Keefelane66]

Aren’t we in an 8 year cooling trend

[Marsha11]

I agree " not real"

[Vermilion Villager]

That's why I don't watch news - it's mostly propaganda. I instead watch the data, which says there is no climate crisis.

Neither of those two slides has anything to do with climate change. The first slide shows an increase in the crop production mainly due to the use of fertilizers that were virtually nonexistent in the 1960s. The second slide talks about famine and that is attributed to a global effort to distribute food.
But by all means....you keep trying, because I can debunk this kind of stuff ALL DAY LONG!! :1rotfl:

[sounding]

Aren’t we in an 8 year cooling trend

Correct. See attached UAH graph. This is mainly because of the decreasing Feynman sunspot cycle. It's expected to start its warming cycle in several years. In the meantime, the Feynman cycle is riding on top of the warming Bray and Eddy solar cycles, which have been warming the earth since the Little Ice Age - and are expected to continue warming the earth for a few more hundred years (after the Feynman cooling cycle ends). However, the Bray and Eddy solar cycles are riding on top the Milankovitch Cycle, which started its ice age cooling trend 7,000 years ago - which in the end - will take us into the next ice age era - as it has done 44 times in the last 2.5 million years. There are other sun-driven cycles in play, but it gets complicated.

[sounding]

Neither of those two slides has anything to do with climate change. The first slide shows an increase in the crop production mainly due to the use of fertilizers that were virtually nonexistent in the 1960s. The second slide talks about famine and that is attributed to a global effort to distribute food.
But by all means....you keep trying, because I can debunk this kind of stuff ALL DAY LONG!! :1rotfl:

That's the narrative. Here's the data - NASA says the majority of earth's greening is due to CO2 fertilization. Plus, fertilizers are fossil-fuel engineered products. Plus, more crops are possible from fossil-fuel created machines and fuels. Plus, global warming is opening up more farmlands and for longer growing periods. Our ecosystems are improving thanks to global warming and more CO2 ... that's why we call the Roman and Medieval warm periods climatic optimums. Life on earth is improving - especially since the population keeps growing.

[Vermilion Villager]

That's the narrative. Here's the data - NASA says the majority of earth's greening is due to CO2 fertilization. Plus, fertilizers are fossil-fuel engineered products. Plus, more crops are possible from fossil-fuel created machines and fuels. Plus, global warming is opening up more farmlands and for longer growing periods. Our ecosystems are improving thanks to global warming and more CO2 ... that's why we call the Roman and Medieval warm periods climatic optimums. Life on earth is improving - especially since the population keeps growing.
I don't know if you realize or not but you just blew up your own climate change denial thesis with your own slide. Here is the remainder of the NASA article that you failed to include:
While rising carbon dioxide concentrations in the air can be beneficial for plants, it is also the chief culprit of climate change. The gas, which traps heat in Earth’s atmosphere, has been increasing since the industrial age due to the burning of oil, gas, coal and wood for energy and is continuing to reach concentrations not seen in at least 500,000 years. The impacts of climate change include global warming, rising sea levels, melting glaciers and sea ice as well as more severe weather events. I don't see any mention of the Earth getting cooler in this NASA report…… The one you posted.

[jimjamuser]

You understand how that sounds to someone looking into the situation. Some areas will be wetter than usual, with some being drier. Some locations hotter, yet others cooler. It reminds me of that old Carlin Weather skit. Today, sunny, till sunset then turning darker. Nothing anyone says will sway another. We have been deceived and lied to so often that it is difficult to accept anything as fact. Unfortunate.
There is a new book out by David Lipsky about the HISTORY of climate change science and how and why deniers crop up to counter the scientific facts. It could be an interesting read.

[jimjamuser]

It’s only going to get warmer.
That is what is predicted to keep INCREASING for the next 8 years. I read that in about 4 years GM is expected to be advertising and selling ELECTRIC CARS at a rate of about 30% of all new car sales. If that actually happens, then we can hope that it leads to decreasing climate change.

[Dusty_Star]

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[Dusty_Star]

That's why I don't watch news - it's mostly propaganda. I instead watch the data, which says there is no climate crisis.
:BigApplause:

[jimjamuser]

That's why I don't watch news - it's mostly propaganda. I instead watch the data, which says there is no climate crisis.
The crop yields on that graph only go up to 2018. Which means almost nothing compared to what is happening right now.....TODAY. Today due to the record HEAT, the crops in the Midwest are ALL in danger of crop failure, a bad harvest, problems for farmers, and price increases for the average US citizen.
The record Gulf Water heat makes scientists worry about dying CORAL reefs around Florida - which COULD destroy the Florida fishing industry and sport fishing. The Coral reefs are the ecosystem that produces the environment for Florida fishing. As the Coral Reefs die, the Florida fishing industry dies.

[Normal]

Seriously, if we are warming or cooling, can it currently be fixed? Will it be? We all know it’s about blame. I have my doubts anyone in government can fix the Earth’s orbiting closer to the sun. We will need to wait another 80,000 years. If Yellowstone erupts, things may level out sooner I guess.

[jimjamuser]

I don't know if you realize or not but you just blew up your own climate change denial thesis with your own slide. Here is the remainder of the NASA article that you failed to include:
While rising carbon dioxide concentrations in the air can be beneficial for plants, it is also the chief culprit of climate change. The gas, which traps heat in Earth’s atmosphere, has been increasing since the industrial age due to the burning of oil, gas, coal and wood for energy and is continuing to reach concentrations not seen in at least 500,000 years. The impacts of climate change include global warming, rising sea levels, melting glaciers and sea ice as well as more severe weather events. I don't see any mention of the Earth getting cooler in this NASA report…… The one you posted.
Well done. That pretty much SETTLES any and all arguments on this subject. It amazes me how the deniers keep banging their heads up against the settled science about Global Warming. The fossil fuel industry has spent a lot of money to DENY the science, but even so.....by now we can see all the evidence around us - the receding glaciers, the rising oceans, the dying Coral Reefs, the worldwide RECORD temperature increases, and the layer of CO2 in the upper atmosphere.

[Normal]

It’s an amazing thing…lol

According to Left Wing Extremism

Global warming is caused by too much Co2 blanketing the earth and thus it causes heat retention. A byproduct of this theory would actually be more rain than usual. Drought doesn’t fit in the “Global Warming” paradigm. They throw anything to see if it sticks. Actually Carbon dioxide doesn’t retain heat at all anyway. It cools 22 F in 3 minutes and 45 seconds. It cannot possibly retain heat and certainly not do so from day to day.

The manure gets higher from the alarmist’s too. The clown car will actually try and convince some that the moisture escapes and then clouds and atmospheric holes quickly close again for heat? How “convenient “…Where is the science? Where is the logic? Retain the heat, but oh no, not the moisture. What a laughable pack. CO2 can’t retain heat and if heat was retained, moisture would not be left out.

[allsport]

What happened to the drought? I thought it was a climate crisis.

Amazing that so many educated people supposedly live here and yet none understand climate change and weather extremes. How about 97 temp in the water in the Keys or did you not here that.

[sounding]

Amazing that so many educated people supposedly live here and yet none understand climate change and weather extremes. How about 97 temp in the water in the Keys or did you not here that.

Corals love very warm water. That's why the live in very water waters. There is fossil evidence that they lived in more regions millions of years ago when the climate was warmer. Corals are now restricted to the equatorial areas due to global cooling - as we are in the Pleistocene Ice Age. Go down to the Keys later this year and you'll find the corals doing just fine - because the media won't report good news.

[sounding]

Well done. That pretty much SETTLES any and all arguments on this subject. It amazes me how the deniers keep banging their heads up against the settled science about Global Warming. The fossil fuel industry has spent a lot of money to DENY the science, but even so.....by now we can see all the evidence around us - the receding glaciers, the rising oceans, the dying Coral Reefs, the worldwide RECORD temperature increases, and the layer of CO2 in the upper atmosphere.

Enjoy your golf games, beaches, cruises, and seaside mansions. Our climate is doing just fine.

[Bwanajim]

I must say, I find your logic to be rather confused.

For decades, the scientists have been saying that climate change will cause some areas to be wetter than usual, and other areas to be drier. Likewise, some areas will be hotter than usual whereas others will be colder.

Yet, when exactly what they predicted is actually taking place, you cite this as evidence that climate change is not real?

The climate has been changing for millions of years, long before man. Al Gore in the 1970s say Florida would be underwater in 20-30 years? The polar ice caps would melt in 10-20 years? First it was a coming Ice Age then it was global warming and they were both proven wrong. They changed it to “climate change to cover any difference, up or down in temperature. And all these wealthy, global warming enthusiast are flying around in their private jets.
Do you know the hottest recorded temperature ever in the US was in 1913? Don’t think we had a lot of man-made Greenhouse gases back then.🤷🏼*♂️

[Normal]

The climate has been changing for millions of years, long before man. Al Gore in the 1970s say Florida would be underwater in 20-30 years? The polar ice caps would melt in 10-20 years? First it was a coming Ice Age then it was global warming and they were both proven wrong. They changed it to “climate change to cover any difference, up or down in temperature. And all these wealthy, global warming enthusiast are flying around in their private jets.
Do you know the hottest recorded temperature ever in the US was in 1913? Don’t think we had a lot of man-made Greenhouse gases back then.������������*♂️

No one would have wanted to be in Furnace Creek on July 10, 1913 (aptly named). 131 degrees is still the all time record for the US. Of course there could have been warmer temperatures there in the early west, but thermometers wouldn’t have been available before Gabriel’s invention in 1714.

[Two Bills]

Suppose we should be grateful we are in an 8 year cooling phase.
Southern Europe will be well pleased.

Cerberus heatwave: Hot weather sweeps across southern Europe - BBC News (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-66183069)

[Vermilion Villager]

The climate has been changing for millions of years, long before man. Al Gore in the 1970s say Florida would be underwater in 20-30 years? The polar ice caps would melt in 10-20 years? First it was a coming Ice Age then it was global warming and they were both proven wrong. They changed it to “climate change to cover any difference, up or down in temperature. And all these wealthy, global warming enthusiast are flying around in their private jets.
Do you know the hottest recorded temperature ever in the US was in 1913? Don’t think we had a lot of man-made Greenhouse gases back then.🤷🏼*♂️
Actually Al Gore did not say any of that. Back in the 2007 documentary titled "An inconvenient truth" Al Gore said in 50 to 70 years during the summer months the polar ice caps could be completely melted. Also, he never made any prediction about Florida be an underwater at any time. It always amazes me how folks like you make up… And yes that is a polite way of saying lie about the fact and then try to add somebody's name to it that you don't like. Here's a little tip… It is very easy to fact check any of this.

[Taltarzac725]

Actually Al Gore did not say any of that. Back in the 2007 documentary titled "An inconvenient truth" Al Gore said in 50 to 70 years during the summer months the polar ice caps could be completely melted. Also, he never made any prediction about Florida be an underwater at any time. It always amazes me how folks like you make up… And yes that is a polite way of saying lie about the fact and then try to add somebody's name to it that you don't like. Here's a little tip… It is very easy to fact check any of this.

Al Gore on Climate Crisis: 'We Have the Solutions, But We’ve Got to Move Faster' | Hubert H. Humphrey School of Public Affairs (https://www.hhh.umn.edu/research-centers/center-science-technology-and-environmental-policy/advancing-climate-solutions-now/speaker-al-gore)

Worth a look. There were some students in my U of MN dorm that were getting MAs from this school. Or, maybe, even Ph.Ds.