People are using short-term rentals to throw unruly parties

[CoachKandSportsguy]

Armed Guards and Shootings Plague Airbnb’s Party Ban | WIRED (https://www.wired.com/story/airbnb-party-ban-shootings-police/)

That's the biggest problem with short term rentals,
the parties have moved from a hotel to a private residence. . .

something that CCDs should consider enforcing their covenants

[JGibson]

I'm telling you the only way the developer or district does something is to file a
lawsuit against them.

At this junction, they just don't care.

TV is beautiful but I ponder if a smaller truly gated retirement community would’ve been a better idea.

I have a relative who lives in a gated community that doesn't allow any short-term rentals and to get past the 24hr gate guard he has to call the person you’re visiting and you have to show your ID which will be scanned.

I hate to be one of those TV is getting too big persons but it really is and too big to enforce any short-term rental rules if they were to ever implement any.

[Caymus]

I'm telling you the only way the developer or district does something is to file a
lawsuit against them.

At this junction, they just don't care.

TV is beautiful but I ponder if a smaller truly gated retirement community would’ve been a better idea.

I have a relative who lives in a gated community that doesn't allow any short-term rentals and to get past the 24hr gate guard he has to call the person you’re visiting and you have to show your ID which will be scanned.

I hate to be one of those TV is getting too big persons but it really is and too big to enforce any short-term rental rules if they were to ever implement any.

Nothing will change unless new home sales drop significantly.

[Boomer]

I'm telling you the only way the developer or district does something is to file a
lawsuit against them.

At this junction, they just don't care.

TV is beautiful but I ponder if a smaller truly gated retirement community would’ve been a better idea.

I have a relative who lives in a gated community that doesn't allow any short-term rentals and to get past the 24hr gate guard he has to call the person you’re visiting and you have to show your ID which will be scanned.

I hate to be one of those TV is getting too big persons but it really is and too big to enforce any short-term rental rules if they were to ever implement any.


Is TV too big not to fail?

Boomer

[margaretmattson]

Is TV too big not to fail?

Boomer
Or is it too big and it will eventually fail?

[oldtimes]

Is TV too big not to fail?

Boomer

It cannot be both a retirement community and a spring break party destination. If it loses it’s reputation as a retirement community who knows?

[Boomer]

Is TV too big not to fail?

Boomer

Or is it too big and it will eventually fail?

Aw, gee, I was in a hurry. That wording I used needs clarification. I meant what you just said.

Is TV too big to not fail??? Not sure that one is worded right either???


Oh well…….I will just go ahead and say what I was trying to say — but will say it in a whole buncha words. :)

My opinion? (I am ducking now.) I think those who have been in TV for a while, and are settled in, have seen the best of the place, but can continue to enjoy it, if the place still works for them.

I think those thinking of buying in new better be aware of how huge it is and the issues that can cause. The ever-touted “Lifestyle” has been changing due to the unending sprawl.

I also think the damned AirB&B routine will not go away. It used to be that some people bought before retirement and used longterm renting to defray costs for a while. That was accepted.

But, now, it looks like buying is happening for the purpose of ongoing renting, short or long. It will never be reined in because the developer does not care. It’s about selling houses because that is where the profit is and, of course, there can never be enough profit.

Any thought of residents being able to change that is not likely to have the outcome of David v. Goliath.

The “family vacation” thing seems to be catching on, too.

TV will work for some retirees, but the place sure is not what it used to be. Potential buyers just need to be aware that maybe, just maybe, bigger is not better. The failing thing will be relative to the individual’s take on it. And ‘take’ might be the operative word in that one.

Boomer

[alwann]

What with spring break, summer vacations, holidays, Airbnb rentals and hundreds of people from neighboring developments enjoying the free entertainment and restaurants, The Villages is losing its look and feel as a retirement community. There's no slow season anymore. The cost of living is way up for amenities, utilities, taxes, recreation, home maintenance. Sooner or later, potential buyers spending time in The Villages might have second thoughts about living here. I wonder if the developer has any clue as to where the tipping point is.

[Stu from NYC]

Still a very quiet community in the villages where we are.

[LuvNH]

Aw, gee, I was in a hurry. That wording I used needs clarification. I meant what you just said.

Is TV too big to not fail??? Not sure that one is worded right either???


Oh well…….I will just go ahead and say what I was trying to say — but will say it in a whole buncha words. :)

My opinion? (I am ducking now.) I think those who have been in TV for a while, and are settled in, have seen the best of the place, but can continue to enjoy it, if the place still works for them.

I think those thinking of buying in new better be aware of how huge it is and the issues that can cause. The ever-touted “Lifestyle” has been changing due to the unending sprawl.

I also think the damned AirB&B routine will not go away. It used to be that some people bought before retirement and used longterm renting to defray costs for a while. That was accepted.

But, now, it looks like buying is happening for the purpose of ongoing renting, short or long. It will never be reined in because the developer does not care. It’s about selling houses because that is where the profit is and, of course, there can never be enough profit.

Any thought of residents being able to change that is not likely to have the outcome of David v. Goliath.

The “family vacation” thing seems to be catching on, too.

TV will work for some retirees, but the place sure is not what it used to be. Potential buyers just need to be aware that maybe, just maybe, bigger is not better. The failing thing will be relative to the individual’s take on it. And ‘take’ might be the operative word in that one.

Boomer

Agree, and it is a shame to see such a wonderful concept go down the drain due to need for money.It seems to me that no matter how much wealth the very rich have, they always seem to need more. The answer may be that great wealth brings great power, and if you have power you can basically do anything you want to do and break any rules you want to break. Unfortunately, there is no amount of talk that will change anything at this point. My home is in the mid to northern part and we seem to stay pretty stable, but many of my neighbors are passing and who knows who will buy their homes.

[Michael G.]

I just can't picture TV turning into a complete orgy community anytime soon.
By complete, I mean over 80%. :)

[Bill14564]

Still a very quiet community in the villages where we are.

Same here. Tables available in the restaurants and space in the squares. Haven't seen a 200 person party at a rental since....... well, ever.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

I don't know if AirBnB forwards local taxes to the tax office or not. If they don't, then you can certainly go after the landlords of short-term rentals by reporting them to the local tax office. The developer doesn't control what the tax collector does, and does not do. The developer might not care if someone is renting their home short-term, but the tax collector definitely cares.

The assessor's office also cares, because if the house is getting homestead exemption, and is used as a rental property, the office might have a thought or two on that. If it's listed as a residential property and is being used as a business/investment property, the assessor's office AND the zoning office might have a word to say about it.

[Stu from NYC]

Same here. Tables available in the restaurants and space in the squares. Haven't seen a 200 person party at a rental since....... well, ever.

Do we know anyone who would organize one?

[margaretmattson]

Do we know anyone who would organize one? The total head count at rentals is not the issue. Usually it is something like a family of 6, spring breakers with 4 -8, etc. They have no respect for private property, are disruptive, loud, abuse alcohol, and are prone to do things like racing bikes in the middle of the street, overpacking themselves into golf carts, chicken contests at pools, etc. Remember when we were young? Same thing going on here. Dangerous and loud horse play! Safety is never a concern.

[Stu from NYC]

The total head count at rentals is not the issue. Usually it is something like a family of 6, spring breakers with 4 -8, etc. They have no respect for private property, are disruptive, loud, abuse alcohol, and are prone to do things like racing bikes in the middle of the street, overpacking themselves into golf carts, chicken contests at pools, etc. Remember when we were young? Same thing going on here. Dangerous and loud horse play! Safety is never a concern.

We did chicken contests in pools all the time but never did it by the sides. We all seem to have survived all kinds of things.

Still have never seen anything like this though

[Two Bills]

People are using short-term rentals to throw unruly parties

The good news is, it is the short term, not the long term rentals, for all the alleged mayhem!

[margaretmattson]

We did chicken contests in pools all the time but never did it by the sides. We all seem to have survived all kinds of things.

Still have never seen anything like this though
I live in a CYV very near to a square. It seems to be a renter's dream spot. We have renters coming and going all the time. I have been thinking about moving to a quieter area but can't seem to find an area I like better than where I am. For now, I have perfected that "old woman glare". Scares the bejeezus out of the young kids and they act appropriately or just leave because they are uncomfortable. Mama taught me well!

[Stu from NYC]

I live in a CYV very near to a square. It seems to be a renter's dream spot. We have renters coming and going all the time. I have been thinking about moving to a quieter area but can't seem to find an area I like better than where I am. For now, I have perfected that "old woman glare". Scares the bejeezus out of the young kids and they act appropriately or just leave because they are uncomfortable. Mama taught me well!

Where we are just about no rentals, wonder why some areas will have lots and others basically none?

[Bill14564]

Where we are just about no rentals, wonder why some areas will have lots and others basically none?

If it's the Alden or Atwood Bungalows then the renters that are coming and going could be prospective buyers on their Lifestyle Previews.

[margaretmattson]

If it's the Alden or Atwood Bungalows then the renters that are coming and going could be prospective buyers on their Lifestyle Previews. No. Young adults none over 55 or near that age. Just renters who come here to have a good time! A neighbor told me one man owns 5 villas here and asked her if she wanted to sell hers.

[margaretmattson]

No. Young adults none over 55 or near that age. Just renters who come here to have a good time! A neighbor told me one man owns 5 villas here and asked her if she wanted to sell hers.
Decided I should expand my reply. During the winter months in my neighborhood, the rentals are occupied by people over 55 each staying long term. Some rent the same unit for the following year before leaving.

Off season, the rentals are sporadic and none seem to be occupied long term. None of these renters have gotten so out of control that the police needed to be called. Just young people on vacation doing what young people will do.

If I glare at them when they are doing something stupid they usually politely stop and apologize. Some wave their hands at me and just leave. I tend to believe these renters are relatives of Villagers. They seem to not want to cause trouble but still just want to have fun. I try to be respectful because I would want another Villager to treat my family with respect. If anything, sometimes I feel like a babysitter.

Still, if I can find an area I prefer better, I would like to move. Piece and quiet is not something I get around here. I guess if you drove through Middleton not that the families have arrived, you will get my gist.

[Normal]

Call the cops if there is noise past 10. Be confrontational and coarse when you see them. In other words, be un neighborly. Make the rental environment uncomfortable for the customers who rented.

[margaretmattson]

Call the cops if there is noise past 10. Be confrontational and coarse when you see them. In other words, be un neighborly. Make the rental environment uncomfortable for the customers who rented.
That is the curse of living very near to a square. You bought the villa for the convenience but it is the same reason investors are highly interested. It is also the same reason people wanting to rent flock to my neighborhood.

So, what do you do? Walk around and be angry all the time? Making your life miserable? Instead of that, I accept I made a choice and have to deal with my neighborhood being a haven for renters. If I had to do it again, I absolutely would not purchase a villa very near to a square. Even some of the nice, big, homes outside of the villas have problems. Gawkers constantly staring and taking pictures and selfies. I have learned the hard way, convenience comes with a price. (And, I am not talking monetary.). Just deal with my choice the best way I can.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Why would young adults under 30 come to the Villages to rent, at all? There's nothing for them to do, they can't go in the adult pools, they can't join any sports clubs or enter any sports tournaments, I'm gonna take a guess that none of them are interested in playing bridge or enjoying a rousing afternoon of knitting with their pals. They can play golf, but they'd have to get a tee time, and there's only 2 to a golf cart so if they're really renting with several pals, they'd each have to pay to rent a golf cart.

This just really isn't a community that's designed to appeal to younger people. I'm not sure what the attraction is at all.

[shaw8700@outlook.com]

Armed Guards and Shootings Plague Airbnb’s Party Ban | WIRED (https://www.wired.com/story/airbnb-party-ban-shootings-police/)

That's the biggest problem with short term rentals,
the parties have moved from a hotel to a private residence. . .

something that CCDs should consider enforcing their covenants
I am a short-term renter right now and you should say ‘some short-term’ tenants. We are renting this house for two weeks trying to decide if we like TV enough to move here. (I’ve already made up my mind, but the Hubby is still sitting on the fence) The point is that without the right to come and stay you will have less people buying, and the the neighborhood loses value.

[margaretmattson]

Why would young adults under 30 come to the Villages to rent, at all? There's nothing for them to do, they can't go in the adult pools, they can't join any sports clubs or enter any sports tournaments, I'm gonna take a guess that none of them are interested in playing bridge or enjoying a rousing afternoon of knitting with their pals. They can play golf, but they'd have to get a tee time, and there's only 2 to a golf cart so if they're really renting with several pals, they'd each have to pay to rent a golf cart.

This just really isn't a community that's designed to appeal to younger people. I'm not sure what the attraction is at all.

This is why I believe some if the young renters are relatives of a Villager. Here to visit but don't want to be too big of an inconvenience.

I did speak to a family that was renting for a week. They said it was cheaper than booking a hotel at Disney. Curious sightseers who have never been to Florida. They got a kick out of driving the included golf cart around, looking for alligators, spending time at the squares, took advantage of the supplied bikes, and using the private pool in their rented villa. Drove to Disney and came back the same night. Went to country clubs for dinner. They said they felt like millionaires and had one heck of a time.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

This is why I believe some if the young renters are relatives of a Villager. Here to visit but don't want to be too big of an inconvenience.

I did speak to a family that was renting for a week. They said it was cheaper than booking a hotel at Disney. Curious sightseers who have never been to Florida. They got a kick out of driving the included golf cart around, looking for alligators, spending time at the squares, took advantage of the supplied bikes, and using the private pool in their rented villa. Drove to Disney and came back the same night. Went to country clubs for dinner. They said they felt like millionaires and had one heck of a time.

This gives me yet another reason to be grateful I live in the Historic Section. Most of the properties here are manufactured homes. Any family looking to enjoy their private pool and feel like millionaires, would not be renting in our area of the Villages. Not to mention that it's around an hour JUST to get to the Turnpike from here.

[dewilson58]

This gives me yet another reason to be grateful I live in the Historic Section. Most of the properties here are manufactured homes. Any family looking to enjoy their private pool and feel like millionaires, would not be renting in our area of the Villages. Not to mention that it's around an hour JUST to get to the Turnpike from here.

You know big O....................I understand your gratefulness. :coolsmiley:

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

You know big O....................I understand your gratefulness. :coolsmiley:

Yup I just get to feel like - a retiree living in a beautiful retirement community with mostly lovely neighbors.

[Mleeja]

I am interested in what one calls a “short term rental”. There was a news report on Fox 35 today about a neighborhood concerned about short term rentals. It is not a unique situation to The Villages.

Brevard County residents frustrated over influx of Airbnb'''s, short-term rentals taking over community (https://www.fox35orlando.com/news/brevard-county-residents-frustrated-over-influx-of-airbnbs-short-term-rentals-taking-over-community)

[margaretmattson]

This gives me yet another reason to be grateful I live in the Historic Section. Most of the properties here are manufactured homes. Any family looking to enjoy their private pool and feel like millionaires, would not be renting in our area of the Villages. Not to mention that it's around an hour JUST to get to the Turnpike from here.

Yes, indeed! We looked at new construction homes for 6 months and could not find anything worth moving there for. Higher taxes, huge bond, massive electric towers, noise from turnpike, blah, blah, blah! And, it seems like we would have to spend entire days driving around just to do errands. Here, we can be anywhere in minutes or have things delivered in minutes. Looking at preowned homes now. Who knows? It sounds great in the historic section! Maybe we will be neighbors!

[margaretmattson]

I am a short-term renter right now and you should say ‘some short-term’ tenants. We are renting this house for two weeks trying to decide if we like TV enough to move here. (I’ve already made up my mind, but the Hubby is still sitting on the fence) The point is that without the right to come and stay you will have less people buying, and the the neighborhood loses value.
I do not believe there is one villager who has a problem with renters like yourself. It is how we all came to the villages ourselves. Please do not be offended by this post.

The concern we have are short term renters who are underage, have no plans of purchasing a home, and who's primary reason for being here is to have a good time. Some stay for just one day ; some a few nights. And, the majority about a week.- often with a sizeable group pooling the cost to safe money.

People coming and going leaving their trash behind. During their stay, all types of disrespectful antics that you would expect of a younger crowd on vacation. Like I said, sometimes I feel like a babysitter.

[Normal]

It may be time for neighbors to start suing landlords who operate short term rentals STRs for violations of operating a continued business. It only takes a few. There is no reason a homeowner should bear the burden of someone else for the purpose of quick cash. Get your ducks in a row. Take pictures, times and dates, records etc. Call when infractions of rules exist and push these clowns out of our retirement community.

The landlords are leeches on the rest of us.

[Sandy and Ed]

It may be time for neighbors to start suing landlords who operate short term rentals STRs for violations of operating a continued business. It only takes a few. There is no reason a homeowner should bear the burden of someone else for the purpose of quick cash. Get your ducks in a row. Take pictures, times and dates, records etc. Call when infractions of rules exist and push these clowns out of our retirement community.

The landlords are leeches on the rest of us.
I don’t want to agree but…..absentee landlords who cater to short term weekly B&B tenants???? I wouldn’t consider those villa owners to be good neighbors so why not report them when things get out of hand?? The Villages has programs for those wanting to test the waters here.

[banjobob]

The Developer is responsible for interior deed compliance , seems to be just an empty suit place holder of the family just getting a paycheck for doing nothing. Daily , weekly rentals in a retirement community is absurd, 2 month minimum rentals only. Stone Crest has the answer 2 .,month minimum on rentals.

[Normal]

The Developer is responsible for interior deed compliance , seems to be just an empty suit place holder of the family just getting a paycheck for doing nothing. Daily , weekly rentals in a retirement community is absurd, 2 month minimum rentals only. Stone Crest has the answer 2 .,month minimum on rentals.

Go after the guys at the bottom of the food chain first. Then the top will capitulate. Eventually the peasants “landlords” will not care for the thought of themselves being sued because of loss of property value etc. A place you paid for, they continue to leech value from. Just make a slum village where all there are are rentals. Leave the decent folks who wanted to retire in their dream homes alone.

[ILLINOIS RAY]

Stop with the quotes. Very annoying

[Stu from NYC]

Stop with the quotes. Very annoying

How else would we know who people are responding too?

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Stop with the quotes. Very annoying

Who are you talking to? You know, there's a quote button you can use, so people know who you're responding to.

Just sayin...

[Normal]

Florida Disclosure Law for property sales:

In Johnson vs. Davis, the Florida Supreme Court held that “where the seller of a home knows of facts materially affecting the value of the property which are not readily observable and are not known to the buyer, the seller is under a duty to disclose them to the buyer.” This obligation extends to licensees and, per Section 475.278, Florida Statutes, all licensees have a legal obligation to disclose all known facts that materially affect the value of residential real property and are not readily observable to the buyer.

Obviously it includes all false or temporary perceptions not visible to the buyer. Knowledge of neighborhood structural advancements, rentals etc. all apply to the law. The Villages even goes into the facades of deed restrictions to preserve your value of property. Where someone would really have a good case is if a sales agent said,”You could always rent out the property. Everyone does it.” This would be a major issue and violate disclosure laws.

[Vermilion Villager]

Still a very quiet community in the villages where we are.
So are you trying to say "as long as it doesn't affect me directly it's not an issue"? :ohdear:

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Yes, indeed! We looked at new construction homes for 6 months and could not find anything worth moving there for. Higher taxes, huge bond, massive electric towers, noise from turnpike, blah, blah, blah! And, it seems like we would have to spend entire days driving around just to do errands. Here, we can be anywhere in minutes or have things delivered in minutes. Looking at preowned homes now. Who knows? It sounds great in the historic section! Maybe we will be neighbors!

It has its good aspects and not so good aspects. It depends on what you want from a neighborhood. My specific neighborhood is fairly close, it's away from the main road but close enough to walk to the postal station and the Country Club pool. Our neighbors all know each other and watch out for each other, we have impromptu driveway parties that just sort of happen when one of us is sitting out on the driveway watching the world go buy. People going for their daily walk show up, see us, and we pull up a chair and eventually we end up with half a dozen neighbors shooting the sh!t in the driveway, enjoying the evening.

The landscaping is matured, tall water oaks, laurels, and maples to shade the yards. Most of the streets are wide enough that your guests can park on the side of the road without it causing traffic problems.

We don't have that issue of "kissing lanais." Spanish Spring town square is a 7-minute drive by car, a 5-minute drive by golf cart, from my house. Reason it's faster by golf cart: no red lights. We get a golf cart bridge that takes us over 441, so we never had to wait for the light to turn green in order to cross it. On the other side of the bridge - is a parking lot for the Square. So we never have to even drive INTO the square. We can park right there, and walk to the corner and take a right and boom - we're at the square.

Publix is only 1 minute further. Walmart is the same distance in a different direction by golf cart, so are a variety of restaurants, shops, and medical offices including the outpatient surgery center for the hospital.

There is rarely a "lot" of traffic and most of it is golf carts. Within the neighborhood clusters themselves, most of the traffic is pedestrian. People around here really enjoy walking.

On the downside: manufactured homes. Some of them are old, and even fit into the official "mobile home" category. Single-wides that are a bit run down and need rehab or replacement. There aren't many of those, and they're all in the Silver Lake area. Up in my area (the northern section of Orange Blossom Gardens and western area of Country Club Hills) you'll see a lot of 1985 double-wides and modular homes, or combination of the two (like ours). The structure is off the ground, there's no foundation, and in the older ones, the floorboards are particle board that can swell and warp if (for instance) your dishwasher breaks or a pipe bursts in the bathroom. If there's never any water damage you're fine but that water damage can mean you need to replace the whole floor. Some newer ones have plywood subfloors, and some of the old ones have had the particle board replaced already. It's something to be aware of when looking for a home up here.

[Escape Artist]

I’m still shocked that anyone of any age can buy a home in TV. So of course you’re going to get investors, flippers, those looking to rent the home and never occupy it, etc. Did TV change their convenants or has it always been this way? In the past, with other age restricted communities like Sun City, financing was not allowed using VA loans because of this restriction. You had to be at least 55 to purchase a home.

[oldtimes]

I’m still shocked that anyone of any age can buy a home in TV. So of course you’re going to get investors, flippers, those looking to rent the home and never occupy it, etc. Did TV change their convenants or has it always been this way? In the past, with other age restricted communities like Sun City, financing was not allowed using VA loans because of this restriction. You had to be at least 55 to purchase a home.

The Villages did not change their covenants they just chose not to enforce them. The Villages is not truly an over 55 retirement community anymore. Some will say that legally it is but in spirit it is not.

[Stu from NYC]

So are you trying to say "as long as it doesn't affect me directly it's not an issue"? :ohdear:

What I posted was merely an observation. Nothing more nothing less.

[Geodyssey]

Why would young adults under 30 come to the Villages to rent, at all? There's nothing for them to do...

Why do you constantly challenge reality?

They do come here, baby.

Arguing about the "whys" is pointless until you accept the fact that there are short-term rental problems.

[Byte1]

"unruly parties?"
Question: what is the RULE on parties? :MOJE_whot:

[margaretmattson]

What I posted was merely an observation. Nothing more nothing less. For me, it is a relief knowing that some areas of the villages are unaffected by a barrage of short-term rentals. I can confidently move into those neighborhoods and leave this mess I have living very near to a town square.

[Stu from NYC]

For me, it is a relief knowing that some areas of the villages are unaffected by a barrage of short-term rentals. I can confidently move into those neighborhoods and leave this mess I have living very near to a town square.

When we have no plans to go out will go walking around our neighborhood and so very quiet after say 8 pm.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

I’m still shocked that anyone of any age can buy a home in TV. So of course you’re going to get investors, flippers, those looking to rent the home and never occupy it, etc. Did TV change their convenants or has it always been this way? In the past, with other age restricted communities like Sun City, financing was not allowed using VA loans because of this restriction. You had to be at least 55 to purchase a home.

Your understanding is incorrect. You have never needed to be at least 55 to purchase a home in the Villages. Anyone who is legally allowed to sign an agreement (typically 18 or older, but could be an emancipated 16-year-old) is allowed to purchase a home in The Villages. They can't LIVE there full time until they're 19. And even then, 80% of those homes have to have at least one person living in it who's 55 or older. So a 60-year-old couple with a 19-year-old grandson and a 21-year-old granddaughter can absolutely live in the Villages together. There is, and has never been, any rule against it.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Why do you constantly challenge reality?

They do come here, baby.

Arguing about the "whys" is pointless until you accept the fact that there are short-term rental problems.

I know there are short-term rental problems. There's one home in my area that is a short-term rental problem. I've never said otherwise. The tenants aren't kids though.

I'm asking why because I want to know why. I'm not arguing the why. I'm asking why. Check your attitude. I'm not your baby.

[oldtimes]

I know there are short-term rental problems. There's one home in my area that is a short-term rental problem. I've never said otherwise. The tenants aren't kids though.

I'm asking why because I want to know why. I'm not arguing the why. I'm asking why. Check your attitude. I'm not your baby.

Check your attitude, your TOTV name is orange blossom baby. They just shortened it.

[thelegges]

I’m still shocked that anyone of any age can buy a home in TV. So of course you’re going to get investors, flippers, those looking to rent the home and never occupy it, etc. Did TV change their convenants or has it always been this way? In the past, with other age restricted communities like Sun City, financing was not allowed using VA loans because of this restriction. You had to be at least 55 to purchase a home.

The 20% rule has always been on the books for anyone under 55

[shaw8700@outlook.com]

I don’t want to agree but…..absentee landlords who cater to short term weekly B&B tenants???? I wouldn’t consider those villa owners to be good neighbors so why not report them when things get out of hand?? The Villages has programs for those wanting to test the waters here.

But they don’t answer my emails! Now I know I can call them but I didn’t know that back when I called the rental company.

[Escape Artist]

Your understanding is incorrect. You have never needed to be at least 55 to purchase a home in the Villages. Anyone who is legally allowed to sign an agreement (typically 18 or older, but could be an emancipated 16-year-old) is allowed to purchase a home in The Villages. They can't LIVE there full time until they're 19. And even then, 80% of those homes have to have at least one person living in it who's 55 or older. So a 60-year-old couple with a 19-year-old grandson and a 21-year-old granddaughter can absolutely live in the Villages together. There is, and has never been, any rule against it.

Then why is it considered a senior retirement community? I feel I was misled :confused:

[oldtimes]

Then why is it considered a senior retirement community? I feel I was misled :confused:

This is what is written in the deed restrictions which are not worth the paper they are printed on

The Developer or its designee in its sole discretion
shall have the right to establish hardship exceptions to permit individuals between the ages of nineteen (I 9) and fifty-
five (55) to permanently reside in a Home even though there is not a permanent resident in the Home who is fifty-
five (55) years of age or over, providing that said exceptions shall not be permitted in situations where the granting
of a hardship exception would result in less than 80% of the Homesites in the Subdivision having less than one
resident fifty-five (55) years of age or older, it being the intent that at least 80% of the units shall at all times have
at least one resident fifty-five (55) years of age or older.

[Bill14564]

This is what is written in the deed restrictions which are not worth the paper they are printed on

The Developer or its designee in its sole discretion
shall have the right to establish hardship exceptions to permit individuals between the ages of nineteen (I 9) and fifty-
five (55) to permanently reside in a Home even though there is not a permanent resident in the Home who is fifty-
five (55) years of age or over, providing that said exceptions shall not be permitted in situations where the granting
of a hardship exception would result in less than 80% of the Homesites in the Subdivision having less than one
resident fifty-five (55) years of age or older, it being the intent that at least 80% of the units shall at all times have
at least one resident fifty-five (55) years of age or older.

Do you have some evidence that this is NOT being followed, either permanent residents under 19 or fewer than 80% of occupied homes having one resident over 55? Daily or weekly rentals don't apply, it takes more than a few days of presence to be considered a resident.

[oldtimes]

Do you have some evidence that this is NOT being followed, either permanent residents under 19 or fewer than 80% of occupied homes having one resident over 55? Daily or weekly rentals don't apply, it takes more than a few days of presence to be considered a resident.

Daily or weekly rentals are the problem. They are the direct opposite of the definition of a retirement community.

[Bill14564]

Daily or weekly rentals are the problem. They are the direct opposite of the definition of a retirement community.

I disagree, the Villages seems to disagree, Florida law seems to disagree, and HUD seems to disagree. Besides that, daily or weekly rentals have nothing to do with the section of the restrictions that you posted.

Do you have some proof that those restrictions are not being followed or are you just throwing things against a wall to see what might stick?

[oldtimes]

I disagree, the Villages seems to disagree, Florida law seems to disagree, and HUD seems to disagree. Besides that, daily or weekly rentals have nothing to do with the section of the restrictions that you posted.

Do you have some proof that those restrictions are not being followed or are you just throwing things against a wall to see what might stick?

I am not debating the legality of what they are doing but I do feel they are misleading people about how much of an over 55 retirement community TV actually is. It’s definitely not what we were pitched years ago when we purchased.

[Warcats]

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That's the biggest problem with short term rentals,
the parties have moved from a hotel to a private residence. . .

something that CCDs should consider enforcing their covenants

This is still a private community.Why cant rules of renting provide legal recourse? Imagine a bunch of yahoos creating a late night early morning ruckus disrupting entire neighborhood. There must be something that can be done.

[NewtoFL]

We just sold our home up north to move to TV full time. Our plan was to sell our courtyard villa and buy a bigger home but I’m starting to have second thought about living in TV full time because of all of the short term rentals.

Why on earth doesn’t The Villages at least restrict rentals to a month minimum! That would certainly cut down on a lot of the problems. Someone mentioned that Lakewood Ranch has a one month minimum for rentals. I’m going to consider looking there. I wish the powers that be would use some common sense.

[margaretmattson]

Is it because investors buy several homes? It would be easy for the Developer to get rid of their inventory faster. Just call a known investor and say "Hey! We have just completed some new homes in your price range , how many do you want?". Do the deed restrictions address investors who have no intention of buying a home?

[thelegges]

One is not including full time residents, who have visitors, that treat host home like a nonstop party. Sometimes it’s hard to figure out an ab&b to someone who lives here full time, has non stop drop ins, and makes life miserable for those around them.

[Escape Artist]

This is an absurd situation that was avoidable and should have been foreseen by the developer to curtail abuses and help the community retain its original intent which was to cater to those 55 + as a safe and sane place for their retirement. Now it’s become a vulgar, greed-driven, money-grab for the developer when the popularity of TV, and Florida itself, increased dramatically.

Again, other senior communities have enforceable restrictions as to purchase and resident age. Del Webb/Sun City has both. The only way you are allowed to have a person under 55 living at residence full-time is if you are their legal caregiver or guardian. The other is if a couple has an age difference where one is over 55 but the other is not. Obviously, that one is just common sense.