Round abouts

[Pettys1]

If you know your turning on a side road then get into the outside lane your don't turn into a lane to turn. I mean common sense tells you to get into the outside lane. If you where on the road an cut in front of someone . Cause if you hit me while driving in the inside lane while trying to turn you'll be sued I promise you..

[thelegges]

If you know your turning on a side road then get into the outside lane your don't turn into a lane to turn. I mean common sense tells you to get into the outside lane. If you where on the road an cut in front of someone . Cause if you hit me while driving in the inside lane while trying to turn you'll be sued I promise you.. If you don't know by the of road

There are arrows on each round about, but doesn’t stop people from doing it wrong. Good news is can’t blame it on the snowbirds. Watch out for those Florida plates.

[Bogie Shooter]

And away we go…………:blahblahblah:
:popcorn::popcorn::popcorn:

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

If you know your turning on a side road then get into the outside lane your don't turn into a lane to turn. I mean common sense tells you to get into the outside lane. If you where on the road an cut in front of someone . Cause if you hit me while driving in the inside lane while trying to turn you'll be sued I promise you.. If you don't know by the of road

You aren't allowed to change lanes WHILE you are in a roundabout. That's against the rules. If you're going 3/4 of the way around the circle, you are required to enter on the inside lane. And you are required to exit from the same lane. The person coming in from the next entry point ahead of you should be watching for you, because YOU have the right of way. If you cut them off to turn, then it's their fault, because they were supposed to wait until you had passed the exit (or exited) before they entered.

[golfing eagles]

If you know your turning on a side road then get into the outside lane your don't turn into a lane to turn. I mean common sense tells you to get into the outside lane. If you where on the road an cut in front of someone . Cause if you hit me while driving in the inside lane while trying to turn you'll be sued I promise you.. If you don't know by the of road

And if I’m in the inside lane and going straight through and you’re in the outside lane going around 270, I promise you I’ll sue AND win

[Byte1]

And the argument starts again. Fact is that you may not know where the other car entered the circle and where they wish to turn. You can be right and still end up in the hospital. Is it worth being right? These circles should only be one lane, period.

[Number 10 GI]

Someone needs to research the applicable traffic laws on how to utilize a roundabout.

[Two Bills]

And the argument starts again. Fact is that you may not know where the other car entered the circle and where they wish to turn. You can be right and still end up in the hospital. Is it worth being right? These circles should only be one lane, period.

Great idea.
Spend millions changing road systems because a few can't be bothered to learn a simple procedure.

[Pettys1]

Someone needs to research the applicable traffic laws on how to utilize a roundabout.
I've been almost hit twice this week. I'm in the outside lane cause I'm turn on side road you don't turn Infront of another vehicle you go back around til you can get in the right lane

[Pettys1]

There are arrows on each round about, but doesn’t stop people from doing it wrong. Good news is can’t blame it on the snowbirds. Watch out for those Florida plates.
Actually yes I can because those vehicles are from out of state.

[Bill14564]

I've been almost hit twice this week. I'm in the outside lane cause I'm turn on side road you don't turn Infront of another vehicle you go back around til you can get in the right lane

Nope. It sounds like you may need to learn the proper way to use a roundabout.

[Bill14564]

Actually yes I can because those vehicles are from out of state.
Since the snowbirds are gone right now….

[rustyp]

If you know your turning on a side road then get into the outside lane your don't turn into a lane to turn. I mean common sense tells you to get into the outside lane. If you where on the road an cut in front of someone . Cause if you hit me while driving in the inside lane while trying to turn you'll be sued I promise you..

Everyone is going to turn on a side road sooner or later in a roundabout. Thus using your logic no one is ever in the inside lane. Out of state ? Where are you from ?

[Number 10 GI]

I've been almost hit twice this week. I'm in the outside lane cause I'm turn on side road you don't turn Infront of another vehicle you go back around til you can get in the right lane

Have you done any research on the traffic laws for roundabouts?

[Dotneko]

I've been almost hit twice this week. I'm in the outside lane cause I'm turn on side road you don't turn Infront of another vehicle you go back around til you can get in the right lane

This is not correct. If I enter to RAB at 6 and plan on exiting at 12, I may be in either lane. If I enter in the left lane, I stay there until my exit. At which point I cross the right lane to do it. If you are in the right lane, you must yield to me.
If you saw me on the RAB and entered alongside me, you are wrong. Cars on the RAB have the right of way.
It would be incorrect of me to enter on the left at 6 and exit at 9 however.

rules for roundabouts - Bing video (https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=rules+for+roundabouts&docid=603539116684824804&mid=83E65D33DF3E517B193583E65D33DF3E517B1935&view=detail&FORM=VIRE)

[coralway]

Based on all these above comments, it’s pretty clear that it’s every man, and woman, for themselves.

[djlnc]

If you know your turning on a side road then get into the outside lane your don't turn into a lane to turn. I mean common sense tells you to get into the outside lane. If you where on the road an cut in front of someone . Cause if you hit me while driving in the inside lane while trying to turn you'll be sued I promise you..

It's difficult to understand what you're trying to say. If you're saying that it's not allowed to leave the roundabout from the inside lane, you're wrong.

[VApeople]

I've been almost hit twice this week. I'm in the outside lane cause I'm turn on side road you don't turn Infront of another vehicle you go back around til you can get in the right lane

It appears that you do not know how to drive thru a roundabout correctly.

Eventually you will hit another car and you will have to go to court. When you are shocked to find that you were at fault, maybe you will then learn how to drive thru a roundabout correctly.

When you enter a roundabout, you MUST yield to another car already in the roundabout.

[golfing eagles]

I've been almost hit twice this week. I'm in the outside lane cause I'm turn on side road you don't turn Infront of another vehicle you go back around til you can get in the right lane

Ok, I finally figured out what you were trying to say and it is 110% wrong. Please learn how to navigate a RB or post a schedule of when and where you’ll be driving in one so the rest of us who know what we’re doing can avoid you.
PS: based on the understanding of driving RBs you’ve posted, you won’t be suing anyone

[VApeople]

Based on all these above comments, it’s pretty clear that it’s every man, and woman, for themselves.

Yeah, that is about right.

I always drive slowly in a roundabout and have my hand on the horn. If I see another person driving incorrectly, I give them a long honk and keep honking until they are out of my way.

[golfing eagles]

Yeah, that is about right.

I always drive slowly in a roundabout and have my hand on the horn. If I see another person driving incorrectly, I give them a long honk and keep honking until they are out of my way.

And they just immediately obey your horn and get out of your way??? Hmmm—-I thought so

[MrFlorida]

How about everybody just slow down and drive defensively?

[margaretmattson]

How about everybody just slow down and drive defensively?
Roundabouts are just like an intersection with a traffic light. If you are turning right, you must be in the far right lane before entering the circle. Just like at a traffic light. Signal, then make the right turn keeping your lane.

If you are going straight thru, you can be in either lane, you do not signal, and exit on the opposite side of the circle.

If you are turning left, you must be in the left lane before entering the circle. Just like at a traffic signal. You signal that you are turning left. When you proceed, You will be on the inside of the circle. Drive thru until you reach the exit, keep your lane and exit. No need to cross over lanes. The circle is designed to avoid this. The lanes lead you out without confusion everytime!

If you have to make a full circle, you must be in the left lane. Just like if you were making a u turn at a traffic light. Signal, then make your u turn inside the circle. Signal right to exit. Again, the lane will lead you out without having to cross lanes.

How and why is anyone crossing lanes? Just pretend there is a traffic light at each circle. Am I wrong? Starting to second guess myself.

[fdpaq0580]

Such Fun! And standard intersections aren't much safer.
Be careful.

[fdpaq0580]

Roundabouts are just like an intersection with a traffic light. If you are turning right, you must be in the far right lane before entering the circle. Just like at a traffic light. Signal, then make the right turn keeping your lane.

If you are going straight thru, you can be in either lane, you do not signal, and exit on the opposite side of the circle.

If you are turning left, you must be in the left lane before entering the circle. Just like at a traffic signal. You signal that you are turning left. When you proceed, You will be on the inside of the circle. Drive thru until you reach the exit, keep your lane and exit. No need to cross over lanes. The circle is designed to avoid this. The lanes lead you out without confusion everytime!

If you have to make a full circle, you must be in the left lane. Just like if you were making a u turn at a traffic light. Signal, then make your u turn inside the circle. Signal right to exit. Again, the lane will lead you out without having to cross lanes.

How and why is anyone crossing lanes? Just pretend there is a traffic light at each circle. Am I wrong? Starting to second guess myself.

Just this. If you enter from the left lane, you must continue straight on or take the 3rd exit. Both situations require you to cross the outside lane at some point to exit.

[VApeople]

And they just immediately obey your horn and get out of your way???

Yes, they usually do.

In case they don't, I can easily avoid them because I drive so slowly, and I keep honking at them.

[margaretmattson]

Just this. If you enter from the left lane, you must continue straight on or take the 3rd exit. Both situations require you to cross the outside lane at some point to exit.

Gotcha! But, I was assuming the driver wishing to enter knows to yield.

[VApeople]

I was assuming the driver wishing to enter knows to yield.

From my experience, that is true usually, but not always.

Occasionally I see a driver trying to enter the roundabout without yielding but, since I always have my hand on the horn, I honk at them and continue honking until I am well out of the way.

[mtdjed]

Just this. If you enter from the left lane, you must continue straight on or take the 3rd exit. Both situations require you to cross the outside lane at some point to exit.

May depend upon signage. Some folks say that it is against the law to change lanes once you are in the roundabout. That logically cannot be correct. If you are on a two lane road entering a two-lane roundabout that has four inlet and outlets and you plan to go to the 3rd exit, you are normally expected to enter on the inside lane which allow exit on the 2nd and/or subsequent exits. So, you enter the inside lane and pass the 2nd exit , you now need to switch to the outside lane to exit at the 3rd exit from your start. However, you may be in competition with someone who has entered after your start. That is where your driving skills are put to test. That is not the time to assume you are OK to turn because you are ahead of the competition. This is the time to actually see acknowledgement OK to turn or make another revolution. You also have to understand that others may have a different understanding than you. Also, you have to pay attention to road markings

I spent many years in the Boston area with its much more complex road system and rotaries. The common theory there was to make sure you got the other driver's attention and agreement before a move.

It is irresponsible for posters to make statements of law that are not known to be true.

[margaretmattson]

May depend upon signage. Some folks say that it is against the law to change lanes once you are in the roundabout. That logically cannot be correct. If you are on a two lane road entering a two-lane roundabout that has four inlet and outlets and you plan to go to the 3rd exit, you are normally expected to enter on the inside lane which allow exit on the 2nd and/or subsequent exits. So, you enter the inside lane and pass the 2nd exit , you now need to switch to the outside lane to exit at the 3rd exit from your start. However, you may be in competition with someone who has entered after your start. That is where your driving skills are put to test. That is not the time to assume you are OK to turn because you are ahead of the competition. This is the time to actually see acknowledgement OK to turn or make another revolution. You also have to understand that others may have a different understanding than you. Also, you have to pay attention to road markings

I spent many years in the Boston area with its much more complex road system and rotaries. The common theory there was to make sure you got the other driver's attention and agreement before a move.

It is irresponsible for posters to make statements of law that are not known to be true.

Confused again! If a driver is in a roundabout with his signal on, why is there another driver entering the circle? They must yield to the driver who has signaled before entering the circle.

If someone can't wait a second or two while the signaled vehicle crosses over to exit, they have problems I will never be able to solve!

It probably takes a signaled driver less than 20 seconds to enter and exit a roundabout if doing it correctly. How are you people driving in circles, honking horns, and avoiding getting hit? Get in the correct lane before entering the circle, wait until it is your turn to enter, then proceed with your signal on.

[mtdjed]

You aren't allowed to change lanes WHILE you are in a roundabout. That's against the rules. If you're going 3/4 of the way around the circle, you are required to enter on the inside lane. And you are required to exit from the same lane. The logicperson coming in from the next entry point ahead of you should be watching for you, because YOU have the right of way. If you cut them off to turn, then it's their fault, because they were supposed to wait until you had passed the exit (or exited) before they entered.

Are you sure of what you said? Against whose rules? Exiting at 3rd you have right away in the inner lane, you must change lanes, which is against the rules, but if an accident its their fault..... You just said that was against the rules.
Having a hard time following your logic.

What am I missing?

[margaretmattson]

Are you sure of what you said? Against whose rules? Exiting at 3rd you have right away in the inner lane, you must change lanes, which is against the rules, but if an accident its their fault..... You just said that was against the rules.
Having a hard time following your logic.

What am I missing?

You are missing the fact that a signaled driver inside the circle has the right of way. A driver wishing to enter the circle must wait until the signaled driver in the circle has exited.

Wait until it is your turn. Just like you would wait if there was a traffic signal and the light was red. You can not proceed until the circle is clear. Then you have the green light to go!

[PersonOfInterest]

Everyone is going to turn on a side road sooner or later in a roundabout. Thus using your logic no one is ever in the inside lane. Out of state ? Where are you from ?

Going straight through roundabout you can enter on inside lane and EXIT on inside lane.

[Sabella]

Just another example of people engaging their mouth, and not knowing what they’re talking about when it comes to the original writer of how to drive in a roundabout

[Southwest737]

It is amazing that the human race has not gone extinct. Give us time and we will.

[Sandy and Ed]

If you are in the roundabout YOU nave the right of way. Conversely if THEY are in the roundabout they have the right of way. If BOTH of you are in the roundabout……better look at, and follow the ARROWS on the signs in advance of the roundabout

[Sandy and Ed]

Roundabouts are just like an intersection with a traffic light. If you are turning right, you must be in the far right lane before entering the circle. Just like at a traffic light. Signal, then make the right turn keeping your lane.

If you are going straight thru, you can be in either lane, you do not signal, and exit on the opposite side of the circle.

If you are turning left, you must be in the left lane before entering the circle. Just like at a traffic signal. You signal that you are turning left. When you proceed, You will be on the inside of the circle. Drive thru until you reach the exit, keep your lane and exit. No need to cross over lanes. The circle is designed to avoid this. The lanes lead you out without confusion everytime!

If you have to make a full circle, you must be in the left lane. Just like if you were making a u turn at a traffic light. Signal, then make your u turn inside the circle. Signal right to exit. Again, the lane will lead you out without having to cross lanes.

How and why is anyone crossing lanes? Just pretend there is a traffic light at each circle. Am I wrong? Starting to second guess myself.
Thank you. PERFECT!!!

[Raywatkins]

If you know your turning on a side road then get into the outside lane your don't turn into a lane to turn. I mean common sense tells you to get into the outside lane. If you where on the road an cut in front of someone . Cause if you hit me while driving in the inside lane while trying to turn you'll be sued I promise you..

We are Brits and what you suggest is in our equivalent to the Fl Drivers Handbook.

However, in order to get lower insurance we needed to get a Fl drivers licence. That required us to do the theory (50 questions) and road parts of the test.

Fl requires that you select the correct lane before entering the roundabout. Outside lane if going ahead and inside if turning left.
You are permitted to turn across traffic if exiting at the left turn. The other (outside lane) must give way.

Bonkers perhaps but that’s the rule.

That was one of the questions that came up on my test and I was fortunate to get it right.

Yes we got our licences.

[bogmonster]

The signs coming into the circle mean nothing other than a recommendation of what you should do. The lines on the road are law. Look closely at them the next time you drive in a RAB and remember the inside lane ALWAYS has the right of way.

[retiredguy123]

It is amazing that the human race has not gone extinct. Give us time and we will.
The human race is only about 200,000 years old. By comparison, dinosaurs existed for about 165 million years before becoming extinct.

[Bill14564]

The signs coming into the circle mean nothing other than a recommendation of what you should do. The lines on the road are law. Look closely at them the next time you drive in a RAB and remember the inside lane ALWAYS has the right of way.

Wrong

[deputydoc]

Um yea wrong again. Maybe you should read the signs posted at every round a bout

[kenpoboy]

This is correct. Simple rules.....Everyone should consider themselves entering the ROB at 6. Your options are:

Left Lane: go to 12
Continue around to 9
Right Lane: go to 3
go to 12 (you cannot go past 12 from right lane)

[crash]

If you know your turning on a side road then get into the outside lane your don't turn into a lane to turn. I mean common sense tells you to get into the outside lane. If you where on the road an cut in front of someone . Cause if you hit me while driving in the inside lane while trying to turn you'll be sued I promise you..

If you are turning left you are supposed to be in the inside lane. If you are in the outside lane you are turning left from the right hand lane and if an accident happens you will be at fault and might be the one being sued c

[Tyson]

You are correct. If your going around a roundabout from the outside lane and im going straight from the inside lane Morgan & Morgan here we come.

[dewilson58]

This is correct. Simple rules.....Everyone should consider themselves entering the ROB at 6. Your options are:

Left Lane: go to 12
Continue around to 9
Right Lane: go to 3
go to 12 (you cannot go past 12 from right lane)

What about "left lane" continue to 6.

[cjrjck]

The multi lane roundabouts can be challenging. If I am in the outside lane and there is a vehicle even with me or ahead of me in the inside lane I know that the vehicle may be exiting to the right at the next exit and I am prepared to yield. If I am in the inside lane preparing to exit to the right, I'll make sure I have the room to do it if there is a vehicle beside me or behind me in the outside lane. What makes it difficult sometimes is a vehicle that enters the roundabout into the outside lane while I am in the inside lane with my turn coming up and then the vehicle speeds up to the point that trying to cross the outside lane to exit can be dangerous.

[Rich42]

Biggest problem with OPs logic is it is based on “common sense”…….that is not in many villagers DNA.

[midiwiz]

Have you done any research on the traffic laws for roundabouts?

there are none in florida directly addressing roundabouts only 'fringe' laws that would apply to them

[Dilligas]

If you know your turning on a side road then get into the outside lane your don't turn into a lane to turn. I mean common sense tells you to get into the outside lane. If you where on the road an cut in front of someone . Cause if you hit me while driving in the inside lane while trying to turn you'll be sued I promise you..

There are signs before each roundabout and there are arrows painted on the road. Each roundabout has solid and broken lines painted on the surface. There is a pamphlet handed out by TV. Stop making up your own rules because you think your “common sense” knows better.

[gbs317]

This is not correct. If I enter to RAB at 6 and plan on exiting at 12, I may be in either lane. If I enter in the left lane, I stay there until my exit. At which point I cross the right lane to do it. If you are in the right lane, you must yield to me.
If you saw me on the RAB and entered alongside me, you are wrong. Cars on the RAB have the right of way.
It would be incorrect of me to enter on the left at 6 and exit at 9 however.

rules for roundabouts - Bing video (https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=rules+for+roundabouts&docid=603539116684824804&mid=83E65D33DF3E517B193583E65D33DF3E517B1935&view=detail&FORM=VIRE)
That was the best video on roundabouts I have seen….thx

[golfing eagles]

Biggest problem with OPs logic is it is based on “common sense”…….that is not in many villagers DNA.

There is no “common sense” in the OP, it is simply flat out wrong

[bogmonster]

Look at the lines. At every exit, the right lane exits. In order to remain in the RAB you have to cross a dashed line, hence you need to yield to the inside lane because you are crossing his lane. The arrows coming in only tell you what’s possible.

[msmr23@gmail.com]

Follow the lane markers. Clearly marked. If you cross dashed line, must yield. Most inside lanes exit and cross outside lane. Thus outside lane must yield. Never cross a solid line, cross dashed line carefully.

[coffeebean]

And the argument starts again. Fact is that you may not know where the other car entered the circle and where they wish to turn. You can be right and still end up in the hospital. Is it worth being right? These circles should only be one lane, period.

I don't agree about these RABs being one lane. It is easy enough to understand how these RABs should be navigated. Rule of thumb.......always assume cars in the RAB are going to cut you off. I NEVER EVER drive directly next to another vehicle in the RAB. I vary my speed to make sure that does not happen.

[Rodneysblue]

If you know your turning on a side road then get into the outside lane your don't turn into a lane to turn. I mean common sense tells you to get into the outside lane. If you where on the road an cut in front of someone . Cause if you hit me while driving in the inside lane while trying to turn you'll be sued I promise you..

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[Mass288]

How about everybody just slow down and drive defensively?
Ok sports fans from Massachusetts here not proud of it either. Lol villages resident in 2 weeks..we have a ton here they are rotary,s round abouts are usually in england...and there are no left turns.....it's a circle all turns are of a right leaning direction...how do you take a left in a circle ????

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

The multi lane roundabouts can be challenging. If I am in the outside lane and there is a vehicle even with me or ahead of me in the inside lane I know that the vehicle may be exiting to the right at the next exit and I am prepared to yield. If I am in the inside lane preparing to exit to the right, I'll make sure I have the room to do it if there is a vehicle beside me or behind me in the outside lane. What makes it difficult sometimes is a vehicle that enters the roundabout into the outside lane while I am in the inside lane with my turn coming up and then the vehicle speeds up to the point that trying to cross the outside lane to exit can be dangerous.

There shouldn't be a vehicle even with you inside the roundabout. If there is, it means they were already in there when you showed up. You were supposed to wait for them to exit or pass you. If you both came in FROM the same spot, then the guy on the inside -cannot- take the first exit, and you -cannot- cross to the inside lane. There would be no conflict at all, in that case, even if you both went to the second exit at the exact same time.

[jarodrig]

Rumor has it that “dog poop “ threads were gaining steam (or is that “stink”) so yet another “how to drive in a traffic circle” thread is born !! :)

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Are you sure of what you said? Against whose rules? Exiting at 3rd you have right away in the inner lane, you must change lanes, which is against the rules, but if an accident its their fault..... You just said that was against the rules.
Having a hard time following your logic.

What am I missing?

You're not "changing" lanes. You're taking the exit. You're CROSSING the outside lane, to get to your exit. As a driver on the inside lane, YOU have that right to cross, and people entering the roundabout on the outside lane are required to wait until you have either exited, or passed the exit, before entering the circle.

[Bill14564]

Look at the lines. At every exit, the right lane exits. In order to remain in the RAB you have to cross a dashed line, hence you need to yield to the inside lane because you are crossing his lane. The arrows coming in only tell you what’s possible.

The only two times that would come into play is if a car entered the outside lane without yielding to a vehicle already in the inside lane or if two cars entered at the same time and the car in the inside lane attempted to make a right turn (90 degree exit, 3:00 exit).

In the first case the car not yielding was in the wrong. The driver in the inside lane has the right of way not because he is in the inside lane but because he was already in the roundabout.

In the second case the car in the inside lane was in the wrong. He doesn't get to exit improperly just because the lines are dashed for the outside lane. The car in the outside lane has the "right" to go straight due to where they both entered the roundabout.

I'll need to find the statutes again but I don't believe the lines carry the weight of law that you seem to think they do. I believe they indicate what "should" occur and not what "shall" occur. But again, that depends on how the Florida statutes are written.

[conman5652@aol.com]

Wrong

[jimmagrann]

And if I’m in the inside lane and going straight through and you’re in the outside lane going around 270, I promise you I’ll sue AND win

Only if you have an independent witness, not a passenger

[Mikee1]

It's really easy folks.... The vehicle that crosses the dotted white line must yield. Just like driving straight. Cross the dotted white line you must yield

[coffeebean]

I've been almost hit twice this week. I'm in the outside lane cause I'm turn on side road you don't turn Infront of another vehicle you go back around til you can get in the right lane

You need to refer to the "side road" as EXITS 1, 2, 3 and 4.

When you enter the RAB............

Exit #1 is a right turn and you must enter the RAB in the outside lane.

Exit #2 is going straight when you enter the RAB from the outside or the inside lane.

Exit #3 is a left turn and you must enter the RAB in the inside lane.

Exit #4 is a U Turn and you must enter the RAB in the inside lane.

Hope that helps.

[Heytubes]

What’s that little lever on the left side under my steering wheel for?

[Mass288]

You're not "changing" lanes. You're taking the exit. You're CROSSING the outside lane, to get to your exit. As a driver on the inside lane, YOU have that right to cross, and people entering the roundabout on the outside lane are required to wait until you have either exited, or passed the exit, before entering the circle.
I drive these daily and now you all have me confused simple people just wait one second until the one in the rotary passes you then enter..easy peasy

[Bogie Shooter]

. I agree with that, but since I’ve been here, (1.5 months), I’ve come to realize that the elderly drivers are somewhat oblivious to their surroundings. They own these $80,000 cars, but they’re unable to negotiate the roadways efficiently. Getting old sucks, so we just have to be alert and use the IPDE process. Identify, Predict, Decide, Execute. Stay clear of them as many of them are likely impaired by Rx or alcohol or… BOTH!
Making a lot of assumptions about your new neighbors. :sad:

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

I was entering the RB from 441 at Morse/Paige/El Camino Real. I slowed down to check for traffic coming around the RB to my left. I saw a car coming, and the driver put their turn signal on immediately after passing Paige, and they slowed down, in the outside lane. I thought - oh cool. They're exiting. So I sped up and entered the RB since they indicated they were exiting before they got to where I was.

I was wrong. They were just kidding. They had no intention of exiting at that exit. So they beeped and made nasty gestures to me - and tailgated me, beeping and gesturing and yelling at their windshield all the way to Banderas (which is where I turned to go to Publix).

All I could think about was - well - next time if they don't want to be inconvenienced by someone who is watching their movements to make sure it's safe to proceed, they should - be more accurate about the signals they're presenting.

[MSGirl]

My husband was in the inside lane going straight. Guy is in the outside lane (or right lane) going left. He hits the right side of our car. Common sense. You wouldn’t make a left hand turn from the right lane on a straight road. Why would you think it’s ok in the roundabout?

[mntlblok]

This is correct. Simple rules.....Everyone should consider themselves entering the ROB at 6. Your options are:

Left Lane: go to 12
Continue around to 9
Right Lane: go to 3
go to 12 (you cannot go past 12 from right lane)

Pedantic point here. 😀 Going south on Morse and meeting Meggison, there ain't no 12 o'clock.

I liked the analogy of the logic of regular intersection rules except maybe for the "stop, turn right on red" situation - when making that right turn onto a road which has more than one lane, whose *right* lane is clear but whose "next" lane *isn't*. Actually, I still like it, but it has me wondering about whether that right turn should be made prior to that "next" lane becoming totally clear, as well. And, I *do* ponder it every time the situation arises - knowing that some of you folks will be blaring your horns from behind should I be exercising "excessive" caution. 😀

[coffeebean]

Based on all these above comments, it’s pretty clear that it’s every man, and woman, for themselves.

If you mean "drive defensively", you are absolutely correct. These RABs will work perfectly every time if everyone, and I mean everyone, abides by the rules of the RABs. Having said that, it is impossible to expect that everyone understands the rules and abides by them.


So, back to square one. DRIVE DEFENSIVELY!!!!!

[coffeebean]

Yeah, that is about right.

I always drive slowly in a roundabout and have my hand on the horn. If I see another person driving incorrectly, I give them a long honk and keep honking until they are out of my way.
I think to lay on the horn is a bad idea in a RAB. You may startle someone and who knows what they might do in such a confined space such as the RAB.

I have had the opportunity to lay on the horn to let a driver be aware they did something incorrect but I just don't do that when in the RABs. Yes, I'm from New York.

[mntlblok]

Ok sports fans from Massachusetts here not proud of it either. Lol villages resident in 2 weeks..we have a ton here they are rotary,s round abouts are usually in england...and there are no left turns.....it's a circle all turns are of a right leaning direction...how do you take a left in a circle ????

Spirally.

[coffeebean]

Roundabouts are just like an intersection with a traffic light. If you are turning right, you must be in the far right lane before entering the circle. Just like at a traffic light. Signal, then make the right turn keeping your lane.

If you are going straight thru, you can be in either lane, you do not signal, and exit on the opposite side of the circle.

If you are turning left, you must be in the left lane before entering the circle. Just like at a traffic signal. You signal that you are turning left. When you proceed, You will be on the inside of the circle. Drive thru until you reach the exit, keep your lane and exit. No need to cross over lanes. The circle is designed to avoid this. The lanes lead you out without confusion everytime!

If you have to make a full circle, you must be in the left lane. Just like if you were making a u turn at a traffic light. Signal, then make your u turn inside the circle. Signal right to exit. Again, the lane will lead you out without having to cross lanes.

How and why is anyone crossing lanes? Just pretend there is a traffic light at each circle. Am I wrong? Starting to second guess myself.

You are 100% correct as that is the way I understand these RABs are to be navigated. In fact, I just posted exactly what you have said in this post but a bit more concise. We are on the same page.

[SusanStCatherine]

• Upon approach, yield to all traffic in the roundabout - wait for a gap - do not enter next to a vehicle in the roundabout
• Do not change lanes within the roundabout or as you exit (an exit from the inner lane at 9 or three-quarters cuts across outer lane)
• Do not overtake other vehicles or bicyclists within the
roundabout
• Use your signal just before exiting right - if taking the first exit at right at 3, put on right signal upon entering the outer lane of the roundabout

[fdpaq0580]

Gotcha! But, I was assuming the driver wishing to enter knows to yield.

Suggestion. Never assume. Bad things happen when you least expect it. The only assumption I would make is that no one is going to do what you expect them to do.

[coffeebean]

May depend upon signage. Some folks say that it is against the law to change lanes once you are in the roundabout. That logically cannot be correct. If you are on a two lane road entering a two-lane roundabout that has four inlet and outlets and you plan to go to the 3rd exit, you are normally expected to enter on the inside lane which allow exit on the 2nd and/or subsequent exits. So, you enter the inside lane and pass the 2nd exit , you now need to switch to the outside lane to exit at the 3rd exit from your start. However, you may be in competition with someone who has entered after your start. That is where your driving skills are put to test. That is not the time to assume you are OK to turn because you are ahead of the competition. This is the time to actually see acknowledgement OK to turn or make another revolution. You also have to understand that others may have a different understanding than you. Also, you have to pay attention to road markings

I spent many years in the Boston area with its much more complex road system and rotaries. The common theory there was to make sure you got the other driver's attention and agreement before a move.

It is irresponsible for posters to make statements of law that are not known to be true.

There should be no worry at all about having a collision if each and every driver YIELDS to anyone in the RABs, whether in the outside or the inside lanes. There will never be a collision if every driver does just this one simple rule of the RABs. Also, if you safely entered the RAB by yielding as you should, don't screw that up by speeding up. Maintain speed so you wont catch up to another vehicle.

[mntlblok]

If you mean "drive defensively", you are absolutely correct. These RABs will work perfectly every time if everyone, and I mean everyone, abides by the rules of the RABs. Having said that, it is impossible to expect that everyone understands the rules and abides by them.


So, back to square one. DRIVE DEFENSIVELY!!!!!

"Having said that, it is impossible to expect that everyone understands the rules and abides by them".

Proven conclusively within this very thread. So, considering that, I'm all for such threads continuing to appear.

I *do* take exception to the opinion that these RAB rules are simple and easy to understand "by all".

[Mrfriendly]

If you know your turning on a side road then get into the outside lane your don't turn into a lane to turn. I mean common sense tells you to get into the outside lane. If you where on the road an cut in front of someone . Cause if you hit me while driving in the inside lane while trying to turn you'll be sued I promise you..

When we come to our home in Villages, we get dropped off by Groome and have access to our golf carts for our stay. Recently, we had the opportunity to borrow a friends car for several days. I was wondering how roundabout driving would be. I took my time, used my blinkers. No flipping the bird and no accidents. Easy Peezy.
I did get a little dizzy, driving a big distance of Morse Boulevard with all those roundabouts. 🤢

[Bill14564]

What’s that little lever on the left side under my steering wheel for?

In a roundabout, in many cases, it is to give other drivers a false indication of your intentions.

Is there enough space between exits in a roundabout to begin to signal the recommended distance prior to exiting without having the signal on while driving past an earlier exit?

[Dilligas]

I am glad we got that all figured out now......

[coffeebean]

This is correct. Simple rules.....Everyone should consider themselves entering the ROB at 6. Your options are:

Left Lane: go to 12
Continue around to 9
Right Lane: go to 3
go to 12 (you cannot go past 12 from right lane)

I think the OP may not understand the reference to these numbers. These numbers refer to the numbers on an analog clock (a clock with a face with the 12 numbers in a circle).

3 means 3 o'clock
6 means 6 o'clock
9 means 9'oclock
12 means 12 0'clock

[coffeebean]

Ok sports fans from Massachusetts here not proud of it either. Lol villages resident in 2 weeks..we have a ton here they are rotary,s round abouts are usually in england...and there are no left turns.....it's a circle all turns are of a right leaning direction...how do you take a left in a circle ????

Easy.....as you enter the RAB, picture an analog clock. You enter at 6 o'clock and exit at 9 o"clock. You have just complete a left turn. Oh, and don't forget you MUST ENTER THE RAB in the INSIDE LANE.

[coffeebean]

Wrong

Who is wrong? We posters don't know that unless you quote the person you are addressing your comment to. By the time you posted your "wrong", there may be several other comments already posted. I prefer not to have to guess who is actually "wrong".
Thanks.

[coffeebean]

I was entering the RB from 441 at Morse/Paige/El Camino Real. I slowed down to check for traffic coming around the RB to my left. I saw a car coming, and the driver put their turn signal on immediately after passing Paige, and they slowed down, in the outside lane. I thought - oh cool. They're exiting. So I sped up and entered the RB since they indicated they were exiting before they got to where I was.

I was wrong. They were just kidding. They had no intention of exiting at that exit. So they beeped and made nasty gestures to me - and tailgated me, beeping and gesturing and yelling at their windshield all the way to Banderas (which is where I turned to go to Publix).

All I could think about was - well - next time if they don't want to be inconvenienced by someone who is watching their movements to make sure it's safe to proceed, they should - be more accurate about the signals they're presenting.

The one thing I do that I know is totally wrong is......I never signal when I'm planning to exit a RAB. When I am in the correct lane for the exit, I see no reason to signal my intention.

I also NEVER EVER trust another vehicle with a signal on. NEVER!!!!!

[dewilson58]

When I am in the correct lane for the exit, I see no reason to signal my intention.

Courtesy??

:pepper2:

[TerryCamlin]

It is amazing how many people cannot figure out the simple diagrams on the side of the road. No YOU SHOULD NOT BE IN THE LEFT LANE TO MAKE A RIGHT TURN OR VISA VERSA. ON 44a going towards Buena Vista if you are going up towards 466a you should be in the left lane. If you are in the right lane you go 1/4 way thru the circle then straight. I blame the local counties also. There should be more arrows painted on the road because people are pretty clueless these days. We need an arrow with a red line painted thru it showing they cannot turn where they think they can. I have cameras and like the other writer you hit me I have cameras and you are going to court!!! Follow the big green signs and if you do not understand them you should not be driving. Agree it's not the snowbirds fault. I see it happen every single day.

[srswans]

Going straight through roundabout you can enter on inside lane and EXIT on inside lane.

Some roundabouts force inner lane driver to do a left turn (i.e., exit at 9 o’clock). 44A eastbound at Buena Vista for example.

Gotta look at sign for each roundabout.

[coffeebean]

courtesy??

:pepper2:

nope.

[golfing eagles]

. I agree with that, but since I’ve been here, (1.5 months), I’ve come to realize that the elderly drivers are somewhat oblivious to their surroundings. They own these $80,000 cars, but they’re unable to negotiate the roadways efficiently. Getting old sucks, so we just have to be alert and use the IPDE process. Identify, Predict, Decide, Execute. Stay clear of them as many of them are likely impaired by Rx or alcohol or… BOTH!

You agree with an OP that’s totally wrong???

[kimreniska@mac.com]

Changing lanes in the roundabout is NOT prohibited. You can change lanes anywhere there are dashed lines.
if you are going 3/4 around, you have to change lanes to exit the circle.

[golfing eagles]

Only if you have an independent witness, not a passenger

The nature of the impact would make what happened obvious

[srswans]

You are missing the fact that a signaled driver inside the circle has the right of way….

First car in has right of way. Lane does not matter. Signaling does not matter.

[donfey]

I've been almost hit twice this week. I'm in the outside lane cause I'm turn on side road you don't turn Infront of another vehicle you go back around til you can get in the right lane

It is NEVER proper, or legal, to stay in the right lane when intending to make (what amounts to) a left hand turn. See the law:

Roundabouts (https://www.fdot.gov/agencyresources/Roundabout)

As a matter of safety, and common sense, try to avoid being NEXT TO another vehicle while approaching an "exit" in a roundabout, since too many drivers just don't get it!

Good luck - and "be safe out there."

[golfing eagles]

I was entering the RB from 441 at Morse/Paige/El Camino Real. I slowed down to check for traffic coming around the RB to my left. I saw a car coming, and the driver put their turn signal on immediately after passing Paige, and they slowed down, in the outside lane. I thought - oh cool. They're exiting. So I sped up and entered the RB since they indicated they were exiting before they got to where I was.

I was wrong. They were just kidding. They had no intention of exiting at that exit. So they beeped and made nasty gestures to me - and tailgated me, beeping and gesturing and yelling at their windshield all the way to Banderas (which is where I turned to go to Publix).

All I could think about was - well - next time if they don't want to be inconvenienced by someone who is watching their movements to make sure it's safe to proceed, they should - be more accurate about the signals they're presenting.

You actually believed a turn signal in TV????? Bet you won’t make that mistake again 😂😂😂

[golfing eagles]

If you mean "drive defensively", you are absolutely correct. These RABs will work perfectly every time if everyone, and I mean everyone, abides by the rules of the RABs. Having said that, it is impossible to expect that everyone understands the rules and abides by them.


So, back to square one. DRIVE DEFENSIVELY!!!!!

This thread proves that not everyone understands the rules

[srswans]

The multi lane roundabouts can be challenging. … What makes it difficult sometimes is a vehicle that enters the roundabout into the outside lane while I am in the inside lane with my turn coming up and then the vehicle speeds up to the point that trying to cross the outside lane to exit can be dangerous.

Yes, this is the combo where I have the most close calls. The solution is for the entering driver to wait longer (i.e., yield) and/or not speed up.

[coffeebean]

You agree with an OP that’s totally wrong???

I thought the same thing but didn't comment. I'm wondering if that poster has actually read the thread?

[coffeebean]

Changing lanes in the roundabout is NOT prohibited. You can change lanes anywhere there are dashed lines.
if you are going 3/4 around, you have to change lanes to exit the circle.
I believe we are discussing semantics here. When exiting and driving through the dashed lines, that is essentially changing lanes but not really. That maneuver is exiting the RAB by having to CROSS the outside lane. That should not really be considered CHANGING lanes.

[coffeebean]

This thread proves that not everyone understands the rules

Isn't that the truth.

[golfing eagles]

I thought the same thing but didn't comment. I'm wondering if that poster has actually read the thread?

My experience on TOTV is that more than 1/2 of posters just blurt something out without reading, which is the reason for multiple posts stating exactly the same thing.

[Jeremy#1]

Follow the arrows, some upper lanes only exit; ie, Seabreeze + use signals as Sumter County Sheriff has pamphlet of rules.

[Bogie Shooter]

The first benchmark of roundabout threads…..100 posts.:clap2:

[Bogie Shooter]

My experience on TOTV is that more than 1/2 of posters just blurt something out without reading, which is the reason for multiple posts stating exactly the same thing.
:1rotfl::1rotfl:

[golfing eagles]

follow the arrows, some upper lanes only exit; ie, seabreeze + use signals as sumter county sheriff has pamphlet of rules.

what???????

[Warcats]

[QUOTE=Pettys1;2235029]If you know you're turning on a side road then get into the outside lane your don't turn into a lane to turn. I mean common sense tells you to get into the outside lane. If you where on the road an cut in front of someone . Cause if you hit me while driving in the inside lane while trying to turn you'll be sued I promise you..[/QUOTE -------
We have found that the northernmost rotary on Morse just before the highway is best cleared out with heavy mortar fire before entering Some of the yahoos who come off the highway I have seen plow through without any care. A sniper tower in the middle of the round about might deter this behavior. LOL]

[golfing eagles]

[QUOTE=Pettys1;2235029]If you know you're turning on a side road then get into the outside lane your don't turn into a lane to turn. I mean common sense tells you to get into the outside lane. If you where on the road an cut in front of someone . Cause if you hit me while driving in the inside lane while trying to turn you'll be sued I promise you..[/QUOTE -------
We have found that the northernmost rotary on Morse just before the highway is best cleared out with heavy mortar fire before entering Some of the yahoos who come off the highway I have seen plow through without any care. A sniper tower in the middle of the round about might deter this behavior. LOL]

A minefield or a small nuclear device could work as well 😂😂😂

[goodoldan]

Two excellent videos... as a new arrival to The Villages, these have made the two-lane RAB concepts pretty clear for me:

https://youtu.be/pTzWibBhSwg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEhNboz5GPk

[goodoldan]

Two videos that helped make the two-lane RAB concepts pretty understandable for me (a new fulltime resident)...
RAB video #1 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTzWibBhSwg)
RAB video #2 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEhNboz5GPk)

[ffresh]

May depend upon signage. Some folks say that it is against the law to change lanes once you are in the roundabout. That logically cannot be correct. If you are on a two lane road entering a two-lane roundabout that has four inlet and outlets and you plan to go to the 3rd exit, you are normally expected to enter on the inside lane which allow exit on the 2nd and/or subsequent exits. So, you enter the inside lane and pass the 2nd exit , you now need to switch to the outside lane to exit at the 3rd exit from your start.
Actually, you do not "switch to the outside lane to exit", you traverse or cross the outside lane when exiting the 3rd exit.

However, you may be in competition with someone who has entered after your start. That is where your driving skills are put to test. That is not the time to assume you are OK to turn because you are ahead of the competition. This is the time to actually see acknowledgement OK to turn or make another revolution. You also have to understand that others may have a different understanding than you. Also, you have to pay attention to road markings
All true ... when I taught both of my boys to drive defensively (many years ago, LOL), I emphatically cautioned them ANY action could result in them being dead right - a position one does not want to be in - so keep your head on a swivel!

I spent many years in the Boston area with its much more complex road system and rotaries. The common theory there was to make sure you got the other driver's attention and agreement before a move.
Reminds me of the rotaries in Great Britain where most foreign drivers drive on the right side of the road (at home) but, there, you have to remind yourself to be sure to exit on the left side of the road unless you want to be surprised by oncoming traffic at 12 o'clock :22yikes:

It is irresponsible for posters to make statements of law that are not known to be true.
Unfortunately, people do it all the time (about almost everything).

And for those who are unsure, (from FDOT), yield to vehicles already in the roundabout, wait for a gap and enter; do not stop in the roundabout; do not pass other vehicles; use turn signal to exit the roundabout to the right.

Fred

[talonip]

You are absolutely right. This is where people don’t understand the rules.

[Two Bills]

Two videos that helped make the two-lane RAB concepts pretty understandable for me (a new fulltime resident)...
RAB video #1 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTzWibBhSwg)
RAB video #2 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEhNboz5GPk)

They are very good videos.
For my 10 cents, one of the most important things to remember, yield to both/all lanes to your left before entering RAB.

[sloanst]

If you don't follow the prescribe round about rules defined by the state and you hit me, you'll be sued, I promise you. Just saying.
https://www.fdot.gov/docs/default-source/roadway/fdm/current/2018FDM213ModRoundabout.pdf

[Chee-Chee]

http://https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/attachments/villages-florida-general-discussion-73/51954d1433204149-how-navigate-roundabouts-roundabout-02-08-12-pdf

[Kevin2]

Drivers entering the roundabout MUST yield to all traffic already in the circle! At the circle, you plan to turn right, go straight thru or turn left. Stay in the left lane to turn left & the right lane to turn right, and ALL lanes to go through! Hope this helps! 💕

[cjrjck]

There shouldn't be a vehicle even with you inside the roundabout. If there is, it means they were already in there when you showed up. You were supposed to wait for them to exit or pass you. If you both came in FROM the same spot, then the guy on the inside -cannot- take the first exit, and you -cannot- cross to the inside lane. There would be no conflict at all, in that case, even if you both went to the second exit at the exact same time.

What? This is two days in a row where you don't make any sense. Yesterday it was your lesson on inflation. There are a number of reasons why you could be in the outside lane and another vehicle is in the inside lane and either next to you or slightly ahead. If they entered the roundabout via an entrance before yours, they will be turning right at some point.

[mntlblok]

My experience on TOTV is that more than 1/2 of posters just blurt something out without reading, which is the reason for multiple posts stating exactly the same thing.

So, one should read all replies before commenting? 😀

[mpelant]

I've been almost hit twice this week. I'm in the outside lane cause I'm turn on side road you don't turn Infront of another vehicle you go back around til you can get in the right lane

@Pettys1, I may have been one of those you say "I've been almost hit" when I was on the inside lane attempting to go, as others have described, from 6 to 12. You, or someone like you, came flying into the roundabout on the outside lane without regard to me on the inside lane and where I was going to exit. We came close to crashing but fortunately didn't. I'm glad to see on this forum that I was right. I have to admit, I thought I was in the right but it made me question it. In fact, just look at the picture of the roundabout signs. They show you can exit from 6 to 12 from the inside lane.

I'm glad to see the majority here supports my position.

[mntlblok]

What? This is two days in a row where you don't make any sense. Yesterday it was your lesson on inflation. There are a number of reasons why you could be in the outside lane and another vehicle is in the inside lane and either next to you or slightly ahead. If they entered the roundabout via an entrance before yours, they will be turning right at some point.

Nothing like the inflation (admitted) error, and you've conflated "should" and "could".

Flickr (https://www.flickr.com/photos/mentalblock/53046205860/in/album-72177720300422201/) That first nice video that was recommended sez "do not" merge next to a circulating vehicle.

[Michael G.]

These circles should only be one lane, period.


I said that for years, but then if you think about it, we would be going
right back to stopping at a stop sign waiting for traffic to clear.

[jtongue]

Make sure you have a recording camera in your car for those that know for sure "that just ain't so" like the OP. For a community of very smart people - there sure are a lot of D*** A****.

I know a situation that happened exactly as stated with the person exiting the traffic circle was T-Boned with serious injuries. The driver at fault was screaming they were suing - surprise; hope they had a good umbrella policy!

Simple - YIELD to those IN the roundabout regardless of lane and follow the posted picture ! How hard is this ???

P.S. Signal when exiting the Roundabout !!

[rogerk]

Someone needs to research the applicable traffic laws on how to utilize a roundabout.
There are clear instructions, based US Department of Transportation in The Villages phone book, the new homeowners’ guide you received when you got your Resident ID and in a flyer offered by Sumter County and available at all of the District Offices.

[Two Bills]

If you don't follow the prescribe round about rules defined by the state and you hit me, you'll be sued, I promise you. Just saying.
https://www.fdot.gov/docs/default-source/roadway/fdm/current/2018FDM213ModRoundabout.pdf

Don't think your pdf link is all that useful about how to navigate a RAB, more useful for anyone wanting to build one!:icon_wink:

[mntlblok]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTzWibBhSwg
At least our RAB's don't have crosswalks! Carnage!

[Jokomo]

If you know your turning on a side road then get into the outside lane your don't turn into a lane to turn. I mean common sense tells you to get into the outside lane. If you where on the road an cut in front of someone . Cause if you hit me while driving in the inside lane while trying to turn you'll be sued I promise you..

You are 100% wrong and people who don’t follow the rules are dangerous to everyone on the road.

[coffeebean]

Unfortunately, people do it all the time (about almost everything).

And for those who are unsure, (from FDOT), yield to vehicles already in the roundabout, wait for a gap and enter; do not stop in the roundabout; do not pass other vehicles; use turn signal to exit the roundabout to the right.

Fred
Hi Fred. Please use the default text color (black) for the body of your posts. I’m using the old original TOTV format with a light tan background. It is nearly impossible to read yellow text color. Thank you.

[coffeebean]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTzWibBhSwg
At least our RAB's don't have crosswalks! Carnage!

Notice the use of the directional in this video? The blue car going straight never put on the directional when exiting the RAB. Then, another scerio, the driver has the left directional on as he circulates the RAB in the inside lane then changes to the right directional as he exits the RAB. That second scenario is absolutely ridiculous!

[Boffin]

Is there a correct way to execute a U turn in a round-a-bout?

[Bill14564]

Is there a correct way to execute a U turn in a round-a-bout?

Such as use the inside lane and exit at the fourth exit?

[VApeople]

Such as use the inside lane and exit at the fourth exit?

Yeah, that is how we do it. We often take Morse north to 466 and then turn left to get to our dermatologist, dentist, Bealls, etc.

Once my wife and I were driving on Morse to Lake Sumter Landing but she missed the turn and crossed the bridge over Lake Sumter. We laughed about it, and then she just drove around the next roundabout like you suggested, went back across the bridge, and turned right into Lake Sumter landing.

[Davonu]

1) Yield to both roundabout lanes before entering.

2) Never drive next to another vehicle in the roundabout.

All problems solved.

[BillyJ]

You will lose the suit. RAB rules are; if you’re exiting the first or second exit you should be in the outside lane, if exiting the third or fourth exit you should be in the inside lane, no changing lanes in RAB. Look up the DOT rules.

[VApeople]

RAB rules are; if you’re exiting the first or second exit you should be in the outside lane

That is not the rule in The Villages.

Many people drive north on Morse in the left lane.
They enter the roundabout in the inside lane.
They go thru the roundabout in the inside lane and then cross the outside lane to
continue driving north on Morse.

[golfing eagles]

You will lose the suit. RAB rules are; if you’re exiting the first or second exit you should be in the outside lane, if exiting the third or fourth exit you should be in the inside lane, no changing lanes in RAB. Look up the DOT rules.

Close, almost right. If going to the 2nd exit you can be in either lane as well.

[Two Bills]

This song should be the anthem for roundabout threads on TOTV.

"There must be some way out of here"
Said the joker to the thief
"There's too much confusion
I can't get no relief"
Bob Dylan

Or.

Round round, get around
I get around
Yeah
(Get around round round, I get around)
I get around
(Get around round ..................
Beach Boys.

[Byte1]

This is getting funny. Apparently, if you are entering the circle to go straight and you are in the right lane, if a car already in the circle that might wish to make a right turn right after you enter, may do so and you are wrong if you hit him crossing in front of you. What crazy thinking came up with that kind of idea? ANyone crossing in front of me from the left lane to make a right turn and causes an accident better be able to explain that in court, because common sense says that you do not cross in front of anyone that's going straight in order for you to turn. I do not care what diagram is posted on a sign, that's just not common sense. Take the circle out and make it a four way stop. Right lane will go straight or turn right and left lane will go straight or turn left, period. I said we should have one lane in circles but folks thought that would make it too difficult to maneuver with two lanes entering and exiting the circle. No one is ever going to agree on how the circles must be traversed, so just get rid of them. Common sense says that the car in the right lane should always have the right of way when making a right turn. Going straight is still making a right turn from a circle and going in the left direction is still making a right turn from the circle. If you do not think so, try using your left turn signal when leaving the circle and see what happens. The only/ONLY way to make a left turn from these circles is if you traversed the circle going the wrong way (counter-clockwise). If you think you are right and attempt to make a turn in front of the car in the right lane that is going past your turn, then be prepared to visit the body shop (if you are lucky).

[Bill14564]

This is getting funny. Apparently, if you are entering the circle to go straight and you are in the right lane, if a car already in the circle that might wish to make a right turn right after you enter, may do so and you are wrong if you hit him crossing in front of you. What crazy thinking came up with that kind of idea? ANyone crossing in front of me from the left lane to make a right turn and causes an accident better be able to explain that in court, because common sense says that you do not cross in front of anyone that's going straight in order for you to turn. I do not care what diagram is posted on a sign, that's just not common sense. Take the circle out and make it a four way stop. Right lane will go straight or turn right and left lane will go straight or turn left, period. I said we should have one lane in circles but folks thought that would make it too difficult to maneuver with two lanes entering and exiting the circle. No one is ever going to agree on how the circles must be traversed, so just get rid of them. Common sense says that the car in the right lane should always have the right of way when making a right turn. Going straight is still making a right turn from a circle and going in the left direction is still making a right turn from the circle. If you do not think so, try using your left turn signal when leaving the circle and see what happens. The only/ONLY way to make a left turn from these circles is if you traversed the circle going the wrong way (counter-clockwise). If you think you are right and attempt to make a turn in front of the car in the right lane that is going past your turn, then be prepared to visit the body shop (if you are lucky).

So wrong in so many ways, almost as if you are intentionally trying to misunderstand.

When you are at a four way stop and intend go go straight across do you proceed when there is someone already in the intersection? Of course not, that would cause a crash and you would be at fault. The same goes for the circle. If you are entering from the outside (right) lane you can't shoot right in, you yield to the traffic already in the circle. Do that and no one will be crossing in front of you to turn right from the inside lane.

When I am driving north on Morse and I encounter a circle what direction do I need to go to stay on Morse? Silly question of course, I go straight. If this is the circle with Pinellas and I want to take Pinellas then which way do I go? Obviously, I turn left since turning right would put me in front of the fire station on Moyer Loop. Left, right, and straight make perfect sense at a circle unless you are intentionally trying to be confused.

Having never seen an accident in a circle I can't begin to come up with the percentage of drivers who navigate them successfully. I've seen far more accidents at stop lights so perhaps we need to replace some lights with circles to improve safety.

[VApeople]

Apparently, if you are entering the circle to go straight and you are in the right lane, if a car already in the circle that might wish to make a right turn right after you enter, may do so and you are wrong if you hit him crossing in front of you.

Yes, that is exactly correct.

If I were the driver in the roundabout and you started to enter, I would give you a very long blast on my horn to hopefully keep you from entering the roundabout, and I would continue honking until I was safely out of the roundabout.

I drive slow going thru roundabouts, so if you ignore my honking and enter the roundabout, I will probably be able to easily avoid you, but I will keep honking until you are totally out of hearing range. This has happened to me a few times in the last seven years.

[Two Bills]

So wrong in so many ways, almost as if you are intentionally trying to misunderstand.

When you are at a four way stop and intend go go straight across do you proceed when there is someone already in the intersection? Of course not, that would cause a crash and you would be at fault. The same goes for the circle. If you are entering from the outside (right) lane you can't shoot right in, you yield to the traffic already in the circle. Do that and no one will be crossing in front of you to turn right from the inside lane.

When I am driving north on Morse and I encounter a circle what direction do I need to go to stay on Morse? Silly question of course, I go straight. If this is the circle with Pinellas and I want to take Pinellas then which way do I go? Obviously, I turn left since turning right would put me in front of the fire station on Moyer Loop. Left, right, and straight make perfect sense at a circle unless you are intentionally trying to be confused.

Having never seen an accident in a circle I can't begin to come up with the percentage of drivers who navigate them successfully. I've seen far more accidents at stop lights so perhaps we need to replace some lights with circles to improve safety.

The poster seems to have a particular problem understanding the rule that both lanes should be clear before entering roundabout, in which case his scenario would not happen.

[nn0wheremann]

If you know your turning on a side road then get into the outside lane your don't turn into a lane to turn. I mean common sense tells you to get into the outside lane. If you where on the road an cut in front of someone . Cause if you hit me while driving in the inside lane while trying to turn you'll be sued I promise you..
Please follow the law and the rules, no overtaking in a roundabout, and give right of way to those ahead of you in the roundabout.

[mntlblok]

Notice the use of the directional in this video? The blue car going straight never put on the directional when exiting the RAB. Then, another scerio, the driver has the left directional on as he circulates the RAB in the inside lane then changes to the right directional as he exits the RAB. That second scenario is absolutely ridiculous!

The points you make about the use of signals in RABs seem valid to me. Sometimes the best intentions can have unintended consequences, eh?

[mtdjed]

Close, almost right. If going to the 2nd exit you can be in either lane as well.

And if you use that inside lane and take the second exit, you by necessity need to move from the inside lane and across the outside lane. Many of the Village roundabouts have signage showing this option. However, the outside lane does not always have to exit. That is why you have to be alert, use your signals, and be prepared for the unexpected.

[Number 10 GI]

Because some people don't believe it is "common sense" makes no difference as traffic law says the inside lane vehicle has the right of way. It was that way in the European countries and other states I have driven in. If you understand the law, you shouldn't have any problems safely negotiating the RB. I doubt that a "common sense" belief will stand in court.
Think about it, during heavy traffic how would the inside lane vehicle exit for their turn if they didn't have the right of way? You definitely don't want to stop in inside lane waiting for a break in the outside lane traffic so you can make your exit, traffic would be backed up forever, not to mention a great risk of being rear ended. A vehicle might end up making numerous circles around the RB waiting for a break to make their turn. There is no "common sense" in that. The inside lane having the right of way is "common sense".

[VApeople]

Based on the comments in this thread, it is nice to see that the vast, vast majority of us know how to drive through roundabouts properly.

Some newcomers may think the rules for driving in a roundabout do not make sense to them, and that's OK for the time being. Like the OP, they can complain all they want but, if they want to survive, they will eventually accept the rules as they are.

[Two Bills]

Because some people don't believe it is "common sense" makes no difference as traffic law says the inside lane vehicle has the right of way. It was that way in the European countries and other states I have driven in. If you understand the law, you shouldn't have any problems safely negotiating the RB. I doubt that a "common sense" belief will stand in court.
Think about it, during heavy traffic how would the inside lane vehicle exit for their turn if they didn't have the right of way? You definitely don't want to stop in inside lane waiting for a break in the outside lane traffic so you can make your exit, traffic would be backed up forever, not to mention a great risk of being rear ended. A vehicle might end up making numerous circles around the RB waiting for a break to make their turn. There is no "common sense" in that. The inside lane having the right of way is "common sense".

I am not sure which law you are referring too, but no lane has priority in the roundabout, at least in Europe and UK. and to the best of my knowledge, the US as well.
Vehicles in the roundabout definitely have priority over vehicles entering a roundabout.
If any vehicle has to give way to another in the roundabout to exit, then one, or both, are in the wrong lane.
A roundabout should be a continuous flow.

[coffeebean]

This is getting funny. Apparently, if you are entering the circle to go straight and you are in the right lane, if a car already in the circle that might wish to make a right turn right after you enter, may do so and you are wrong if you hit him crossing in front of you. What crazy thinking came up with that kind of idea? ANyone crossing in front of me from the left lane to make a right turn and causes an accident better be able to explain that in court, because common sense says that you do not cross in front of anyone that's going straight in order for you to turn. I do not care what diagram is posted on a sign, that's just not common sense. Take the circle out and make it a four way stop. Right lane will go straight or turn right and left lane will go straight or turn left, period. I said we should have one lane in circles but folks thought that would make it too difficult to maneuver with two lanes entering and exiting the circle. No one is ever going to agree on how the circles must be traversed, so just get rid of them. Common sense says that the car in the right lane should always have the right of way when making a right turn. Going straight is still making a right turn from a circle and going in the left direction is still making a right turn from the circle. If you do not think so, try using your left turn signal when leaving the circle and see what happens. The only/ONLY way to make a left turn from these circles is if you traversed the circle going the wrong way (counter-clockwise). If you think you are right and attempt to make a turn in front of the car in the right lane that is going past your turn, then be prepared to visit the body shop (if you are lucky).

That is correct. The scenario you stated is exactly the reason why the person entering the RAB should yield to any car in the RAB. Stay clear of that car and there will not be a collision as he exits the RAB in front of you. Do not ever drive next to another car in the RAB. That is what causes the problems.

[coffeebean]

So wrong in so many ways, almost as if you are intentionally trying to misunderstand.

When you are at a four way stop and intend go go straight across do you proceed when there is someone already in the intersection? Of course not, that would cause a crash and you would be at fault. The same goes for the circle. If you are entering from the outside (right) lane you can't shoot right in, you yield to the traffic already in the circle. Do that and no one will be crossing in front of you to turn right from the inside lane.

When I am driving north on Morse and I encounter a circle what direction do I need to go to stay on Morse? Silly question of course, I go straight. If this is the circle with Pinellas and I want to take Pinellas then which way do I go? Obviously, I turn left since turning right would put me in front of the fire station on Moyer Loop. Left, right, and straight make perfect sense at a circle unless you are intentionally trying to be confused.

Having never seen an accident in a circle I can't begin to come up with the percentage of drivers who navigate them successfully. I've seen far more accidents at stop lights so perhaps we need to replace some lights with circles to improve safety.
I had the same thought as I read your post. There does seem to be more collisions at intersections that have traffic lights. I have seen only one RAB accident and that wasn't actually in the RAB. The accident occurred just as a vehicle exited the RAB. Someone came barreling down Morse and did not YIELD to the traffic and caused the collision.

[coffeebean]

I am not sure which law you are referring too, but no lane has priority in the roundabout, at least in Europe and UK. and to the best of my knowledge, the US as well.
Vehicles in the roundabout definitely have priority over vehicles entering a roundabout.
If any vehicle has to give way to another in the roundabout to exit, then one, or both, are in the wrong lane.
A roundabout should be a continuous flow.

Funny you say a RAB has to "be a continuous flow". I often am in awe of watching how the flow of traffic almost seems like beautiful choreography when everyone is navigating the RAB correctly which is usually 99% of the time. It is like watching The Villages Golf Cart precision Drill Team in action.

Yes, there is that 1% when there are close calls in a RAB but, as I have already said, I have yet to see an accident in a RAB. I have seen one woman driving in the RAB in the wrong direction one time and even that did not end in a collision. Just lots of folks getting out of her way and directing her to get out of the RAB. I'll bet she won't do that again!

[golfing eagles]

And if you use that inside lane and take the second exit, you by necessity need to move from the inside lane and across the outside lane. Many of the Village roundabouts have signage showing this option. However, the outside lane does not always have to exit. That is why you have to be alert, use your signals, and be prepared for the unexpected.

Actually, if you are taking the second exit from the inside lane, there should be no one to cut across. If someone is there, they are either wrong for entering with you in the outside lane with the intention of taking the third exit, or are wrong because they entered the RB from your first exit before you passed by.

[Byte1]

Obviously, my post was misunderstood. If you entered at a different street and want to go straight and I am clear to enter (to make it easier, at the exact same time or slightly after), he is in the center lane and I am in the right lane wishing to exit the second exit (going straight), that means I am passing the first exit. If he is next to me and wishing to turn right, then he must wait until I am pass him. If he does not, HE is causing the accident. There is no sign that says I must stop to let him turn in front of me. I do not care what the diagrams say, YOU are turning right off of a circle regardless of exit. You must use your RIGHT turn signal. You are NOT using your left turn signal, therefore you are going right. You can NOT make a straight in a circle or you will leave the road and travel across the landscaping. Yes, I understand what you are saying, but go ahead and be right and end up in the body shop or hospital. Common sense says you yield to the person on the right that is going straight pass you, and you never cross in front of another car unless it is stopped. C'mon man! Personally, I drive defensively because I know that no one else cares what other cars are on the road and drive accordingly. My car lets me know when something is in my blind spots on either side of the car. By the way, those are yield signs at the entrance to the circles, so please don't sit there until the circle is empty before proceeding. Backing up cars in a line on the road is not safe either. I certainly hope that next time you cross in front of someone when making a turn, your spouse is not in the passenger seat, because it is not you that may suffer from "being right."

[margaretmattson]

Obviously, my post was misunderstood. If you entered at a different street and want to go straight and I am clear to enter (to make it easier, at the exact same time or slightly after), he is in the center lane and I am in the right lane wishing to exit the second exit (going straight), that means I am passing the first exit. If he is next to me and wishing to turn right, then he must wait until I am pass him. If he does not, HE is causing the accident. There is no sign that says I must stop to let him turn in front of me. I do not care what the diagrams say, YOU are turning right off of a circle regardless of exit. You must use your RIGHT turn signal. You are NOT using your left turn signal, therefore you are going right. You can NOT make a straight in a circle or you will leave the road and travel across the landscaping. Yes, I understand what you are saying, but go ahead and be right and end up in the body shop or hospital. Common sense says you yield to the person on the right that is going straight pass you, and you never cross in front of another car unless it is stopped. C'mon man! Personally, I drive defensively because I know that no one else cares what other cars are on the road, and drive accordingly. My car lets me know when something is in my blind spots on either side of the car. By the way, those are yield signs at the entrance to the circles, so please don't sit there until the circle is empty before proceeding. Backing up cars in a line on the road is not safe either. I certainly hope that next time you cross in front of someone when making a turn, your spouse is not in the passenger seat, because it is not you that may suffer from "being right."
If I am understanding you correctly, it sounds like you both proceeded at the same time. You wanted to go straight thru, the other wanted to make a right turn crossing over your path.

A person going straight thru does not have the automatic right of way. If you both arrived at the circle at the same time, the person farthest to the right goes first. This is standard law when two people arrive at an intersection at the same time.

[billlaur]

Someone needs to research the applicable traffic laws on how to utilize a roundabout.

could you imagine a 4 way stop at each roundabout...

[coffeebean]

If I am understanding you correctly, it sounds like you both proceeded at the same time. You wanted to go straight thru, the other wanted to make a right turn crossing over your path.

A person going straight thru does not have the automatic right of way. If you both arrived at the circle at the same time, the person farthest to the right goes first. This is standard law when two people arrive at an intersection at the same time.
I never knew this rule of the RABs. I don't ever enter a RAB at the same time as another vehicle. I hang back and let them go first. Maybe that is not the correct thing to do but I feel safer that way.

[margaretmattson]

I never knew this rule of the RABs. I don't ever enter a RAB at the same time as another vehicle. I hang back and let them go first. Maybe that is not the correct thing to do but I feel safer that way.

You and I see it the same way. That is the definition of yielding. You allow others to go first while crossing your path. In the rare event two people arrive at the intersection the same time, the person farthest to the right goes first. Doesn't happen often.

[kayak]

If you know your turning on a side road then get into the outside lane your don't turn into a lane to turn. I mean common sense tells you to get into the outside lane. If you where on the road an cut in front of someone . Cause if you hit me while driving in the inside lane while trying to turn you'll be sued I promise you..

It looks like someone believes you can get in the right (outside) lane in a round-a-bout and go around and around and around.
It also looks like someone believes you can change lanes while in a round-a-bout.
WRONG and WRONG

[Number 10 GI]

If a vehicle is in the center lane and signals to exit, a vehicle in the outside lane must yield to the exiting vehicle, that is what the law says. Supposed common sense has no bearing on this. Situational awareness, you pay attention to the other vehicles around you anticipating their actions and obey the law.

[Number 10 GI]

I am not sure which law you are referring too, but no lane has priority in the roundabout, at least in Europe and UK. and to the best of my knowledge, the US as well.
Vehicles in the roundabout definitely have priority over vehicles entering a roundabout.
If any vehicle has to give way to another in the roundabout to exit, then one, or both, are in the wrong lane.
A roundabout should be a continuous flow.

If the vehicle in the inside lane exits crossing the outside lane to the exit, as the law stipulates, how is it in the wrong lane?

Priority, right of way, basically the same thing. The inside lane vehicle has priority/right of way over vehicles in the outside lane to make their exit.

[margaretmattson]

If a vehicle is in the center lane and signals to exit, a vehicle in the outside lane must yield to the exiting vehicle, that is what the law says. Supposed common sense has no bearing on this. Situational awareness, you pay attention to the other vehicles around you anticipating their actions and obey the law.

I think some do not fully understand what yield means. It is exactly as you have said. It is the law to allow a vehicle to go first if they are crossing your path. I just do not understand why people can't wait for the driver to cross. It only takes a few seconds. Like most said, there aren't many accidents in the roundabouts. Sounds like a lot of pent up road rage.

[jimmy o]

Not necessarily, many RBs have double lane exit.

[mtdjed]

If I am understanding you correctly, it sounds like you both proceeded at the same time. You wanted to go straight thru, the other wanted to make a right turn crossing over your path.

A person going straight thru does not have the automatic right of way. If you both arrived at the circle at the same time, the person farthest to the right goes first. This is standard law when two people arrive at an intersection at the same time.

Isn't that the "custom" when you have a straight intersection. Not sure if it applies to side by side entry on the same road. I use the word "custom" because there is the question of judgement as to who got there first. Under law, it would be hard to prove. I would agree that the inside driver would need heavier proof that he/she was in the right.

[margaretmattson]

Isn't that the "custom" when you have a straight intersection. Not sure if it applies to side by side entry on the same road. I use the word "custom" because there is the question of judgement as to who got there first. Under law, it would be hard to prove. I would agree that the inside driver would need heavier proof that he/she was in the right. You had me puzzled if this was just custom. I googled the Florida law. It stated, "when two vehicles arrive at an intersection at the same time, the vehicle on the left must give way to the vehicle on the right.". Not likely it is going to happen often. Plus, one driver will probably wave the other driver on. Most people tend to want to wait for their own safety. I know I would.

Plus, you can't sue someone in Florida. We live in a no fault state. All you can do is get the insurance company to pay for damages and bodily injury. Boy! Bet I just opened a can of worms! Please google if Florida is a no-fault state before attacking. I'm just the messenger, I do not create Florida laws.

[Two Bills]

If the vehicle in the inside lane exits crossing the outside lane to the exit, as the law stipulates, how is it in the wrong lane?

Priority, right of way, basically the same thing. The inside lane vehicle has priority/right of way over vehicles in the outside lane to make their exit.

In the scenario you are quoting, both cars should have exited in their own lanes.
If the car in outside lane had to give way to the inside lane, that car would have been in wrong lane, or entered roundabout before both lanes were clear to the left.
There is no priority in roundabouts.
Cars in roundabout have priority over cars wanting to enter.
If a car has to stop/give way in roundabout, one is in wrong lane, or entered before it was clear in both lanes from the left.
It should be a continuous flow.

[Laker14]

If you know your turning on a side road then get into the outside lane your don't turn into a lane to turn. I mean common sense tells you to get into the outside lane. If you where on the road an cut in front of someone . Cause if you hit me while driving in the inside lane while trying to turn you'll be sued I promise you..

and you, sir, are the reason I will be soon buying a dash cam.

[golfing eagles]

You had me puzzled if this was just custom. I googled the Florida law. It stated, "when two vehicles arrive at an intersection at the same time, the vehicle on the left must give way to the vehicle on the right.". Not likely it is going to happen often. Plus, one driver will probably wave the other driver on. Most people tend to want to wait for their own safety. I know I would.

Plus, you can't sue someone in Florida. We live in a no fault state. All you can do is get the insurance company to pay for damages and bodily injury. Boy! Bet I just opened a can of worms! Please google if Florida is a no-fault state before attacking. I'm just the messenger, I do not create Florida laws.

You can’t sue in Florida because it is a no fault state??? Not even close to what no fault means. “Dan Newlin won me $3 million”. Hard to do when you can’t sue, plus he’d be on the unemployment line.
What happens under no fault is that you carry PIP( personal injury protection) and make a claim to YOUR OWN insurance company if injured, the Florida maximum is $10,000. Beyond that you can sue for medical bills, pain and suffering, loss of income and whatever else the lawyers can dream up.

[margaretmattson]

You can’t sue in Florida because it is a no fault state??? Not even close to what no fault means. “Dan Newlin won me $3 million”. Hard to do when you can’t sue, plus he’d be on the unemployment line.
What happens under no fault is that you carry PIP( personal injury protection) and make a claim to YOUR OWN insurance company if injured, the Florida maximum is $10,000. Beyond that you can sue for medical bills, pain and suffering, loss of income and whatever else the lawyers can dream up. The money is paid through the insurance company. You do not sue a driver for his personal assets.

[dewilson58]

The money is paid through the insurance company. You do not sue a driver for his personal assets.

"you" absolutely do sue for personal assets.

the insurance company steps in up to the policy limits, but the suit is against the person.

[Bill14564]

If a vehicle is in the center lane and signals to exit, a vehicle in the outside lane must yield to the exiting vehicle, that is what the law says. Supposed common sense has no bearing on this. Situational awareness, you pay attention to the other vehicles around you anticipating their actions and obey the law.

Can you provide a link to that law? I've tried but have been unable to find it,

[Bill14564]

Obviously, my post was misunderstood. If you entered at a different street and want to go straight and I am clear to enter (to make it easier, at the exact same time or slightly after), he is in the center lane and I am in the right lane wishing to exit the second exit (going straight), that means I am passing the first exit. If he is next to me and wishing to turn right, then he must wait until I am pass him. If he does not, HE is causing the accident. There is no sign that says I must stop to let him turn in front of me. I do not care what the diagrams say, YOU are turning right off of a circle regardless of exit. You must use your RIGHT turn signal. You are NOT using your left turn signal, therefore you are going right. You can NOT make a straight in a circle or you will leave the road and travel across the landscaping. Yes, I understand what you are saying, but go ahead and be right and end up in the body shop or hospital. Common sense says you yield to the person on the right that is going straight pass you, and you never cross in front of another car unless it is stopped. C'mon man! Personally, I drive defensively because I know that no one else cares what other cars are on the road and drive accordingly. My car lets me know when something is in my blind spots on either side of the car. By the way, those are yield signs at the entrance to the circles, so please don't sit there until the circle is empty before proceeding. Backing up cars in a line on the road is not safe either. I certainly hope that next time you cross in front of someone when making a turn, your spouse is not in the passenger seat, because it is not you that may suffer from "being right."

Still a bit of confusion here. If two cars enter side-by-side from the same entrance then the car on the left cannot exit to the right (90 degrees). It isn't that he should wait, he should not be exiting there. The car on the left must take the exit straight ahead or the exit to the left. That *is* what the signs indicate.

If you understood what I was saying then you would not have mentioned the body shop or hospital.

Let's try this one last time. If someone is going north on Morse and wants to get on Pinellas, what directions do you give them?

1. Enter the circle and exit to the right.

2. Take a left at the traffic circle.

Using the common meaning of the English language combined with a little common sense, option 1. would put them on Moyer Loop while option 2. would put them on Pinellas.

In the end it doesn't matter since I very much doubt you would be giving me directions anyway.

[golfing eagles]

The money is paid through the insurance company. You do not sue a driver for his personal assets.

Actually, you do sue the driver The”insurance company” wasn’t driving the car, and insurance is a contract between the insurance company and the other driver. If the judgement exceeds the limits of the insurance policy you go after personal assets. In most jurisdictions primary residence and retirement accounts are excluded

[margaretmattson]

Actually, you do sue the driver The”insurance company” wasn’t driving the car, and insurance is a contract between the insurance company and the other driver. If the judgement exceeds the limits of the insurance policy you go after personal assets. In most jurisdictions primary residence and retirement accounts are excluded My response was specific to some posters stating they are going to sue people for crossing over their path in a Villages roundabout. Even if this did happen and the injured could prove the other driver was at fault, the vehicles were probably travelling 20 mph.

How much personal injury could you have? It has been my experience doctors and medical professionals will not assist a victim in any hyped-up injuries. They report the true nature of their medical
condition in fear of being sued themselves. In the round about scenario, I see the insurance company paying the claim in full.

[golfing eagles]

My response was specific to some posters stating they are going to sue people for crossing over their path in a Villages roundabout. Even if this did happen and the injured could prove the other driver was at fault, the vehicles were probably travelling 20 mph.

How much personal injury could you have? It has been my experience doctors and medical professionals will not assist a victim in any hyped-up injuries. They report the true nature of their medical
condition in fear of being sued themselves. In the round about scenario, I see the insurance company paying the claim in full.

That is true if and only if the damages do not exceed the Florida PIP limit of $10,000. After that, it is Dan Newlin and Morgan et al.

As a board certified specialist in adult medicine, I can speak for "doctors"----we do not assist in hyped up cases, and NOT because of "fear of being sued"---it's because we all took an oath. But that is a moot point since plaintiff's attorneys almost exclusively call upon chiropractors and other quacks to be their so-called "expert" witnesses

[Two Bills]

Ok sports fans from Massachusetts here not proud of it either. Lol villages resident in 2 weeks..we have a ton here they are rotary,s round abouts are usually in england...and there are no left turns.....it's a circle all turns are of a right leaning direction...how do you take a left in a circle ????

A roundabout/rotary is just a junction.
Its a crossroad, T junction, or similar.
Many ways to navigate a junction. Traffic lights, four way, roundabouts, etc.
So you can turn left at a roundabout junction.

[margaretmattson]

That is true if and only if the damages do not exceed the Florida PIP limit of $10,000. After that, it is Dan Newlin and Morgan et al.

As a board certified specialist in adult medicine, I can speak for "doctors"----we do not assist in hyped up cases, and NOT because of "fear of being sued"---it's because we all took an oath. But that is a moot point since plaintiff's attorneys almost exclusively call upon chiropractors and other quacks to be their so-called "expert" witnesses
It's wonderful to learn there are decent workers honoring an oath they took. God Bless and a giant thanks to all of you!

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

A roundabout/rotary is just a junction.
Its a crossroad, T junction, or similar.
Many ways to navigate a junction. Traffic lights, four way, roundabouts, etc.
So you can turn left at a roundabout junction.

No, you can't. All exits are to your RIGHT, once you get to that exit. Turning LEFT anywhere within the roundabout, will take you to the center of the roundabout. In some cases, it'll take you to the pump-house in the center of the roundabout. Taking a left while you're in a roundabout is a pretty dumb thing to do.

As you APPROACH a roundabout, you will see that you can HEAD right, ahead, or left. But once you are IN the roundabout, you cease to have "left" or "ahead" as an option. All exits are to the right of your vehicle. You're in a circle, going counter-clockwise. Exit is to your right, if you ever want to leave that circle.

[fdpaq0580]

No, you can't. All exits are to your RIGHT, once you get to that exit. Turning LEFT anywhere within the roundabout, will take you to the center of the roundabout. In some cases, it'll take you to the pump-house in the center of the roundabout. Taking a left while you're in a roundabout is a pretty dumb thing to do.

As you APPROACH a roundabout, you will see that you can HEAD right, ahead, or left. But once you are IN the roundabout, you cease to have "left" or "ahead" as an option. All exits are to the right of your vehicle. You're in a circle, going counter-clockwise. Exit is to your right, if you ever want to leave that circle.

BUT, only the vehicle entering from the right lane can take the first exit! AND, only the vehicle entering from the left lane will be able to use the third exit. Both may use their corresponding lane if the choose the second exit.

[VApeople]

Obviously, my post was misunderstood.

Yeah, that is what happens when you write a long, verbose, meandering post.

Most of us do not even take the time to read a post like that. The others read it and do not understand the point you are trying to make.

[Rainger99]

I was entering a roundabout yesterday. A car to my left entered at 6 (I was at 3) and the other car put his right turn signal on as he entered the roundabout. I assumed that he was going to exit at 3 so I started to enter the roundabout - but he kept going so I slammed on the brakes and narrowly avoided an accident. I think you are supposed to put your turn signal on after you pass the exit before the one that you will use to exit - not before!

[Bogie Shooter]

Yeah, that is what happens when you write a long, verbose, meandering post.

Most of us do not even take the time to read a post like that. The others read it and do not understand the point you are trying to make.

One of many……..

Lot of repeated opinions. Results from not reading all posts.

One poster leads with 20 posts.

Soon to be another benchmark….200 posts.:wave:

[dewilson58]

Yeah, that is what happens when you write a long, verbose, meandering post.


I never read "long" posts.

[Two Bills]

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[Two Bills]

No, you can't. All exits are to your RIGHT, once you get to that exit. Turning LEFT anywhere within the roundabout, will take you to the center of the roundabout. In some cases, it'll take you to the pump-house in the center of the roundabout. Taking a left while you're in a roundabout is a pretty dumb thing to do.

As you APPROACH a roundabout, you will see that you can HEAD right, ahead, or left. But once you are IN the roundabout, you cease to have "left" or "ahead" as an option. All exits are to the right of your vehicle. You're in a circle, going counter-clockwise. Exit is to your right, if you ever want to leave that circle.

A four way roundabout is a crossroad junction same as any other four way junction.
The only difference is the discipline laid down to navigate it.
Directions are left, right, straight on, or U turn.
All this stuff about you can't turn left is pedantic nonsense.

[Number 10 GI]

Can you provide a link to that law? I've tried but have been unable to find it,

I'm going on what was cited in the driver's license study guide for a military license in Germany. Mainly though is the sign prior to entry to the RB that shows the routes drivers must take for the lane they use. Those signs are Traffic Control Devices, just like stop signs, speed limit signs, traffic signals at intersections and solid white lines on the roadway. Violation of a traffic control devise is a ticketable offense.

I've been searching also for something that specifically covers this but haven't found anything yet.

[VApeople]

I assumed that he was going to exit at 3 so I started to enter the roundabout - but he kept going so I slammed on the brakes and narrowly avoided an accident.

You were an idiot!

You should not have entered the roundabout when another driver is in the roundabout.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

You were an idiot!

You should not have entered the roundabout when another driver is in the roundabout.

You can't always tell that someone else is in the roundabout. If you're coming north on Morse toward 466 and approach the roundabout at Sumter Square, you have no way to tell if someone is coming south on Morse, already in the roundabout, but not yet at the Square exit. You can't see the other side of the roundabout from there.

There's another on Morse that has a pump house in the middle, no one can see across from them. In fact, I only know of a couple of roundabouts where you -can- see directly across from your entry point.

Pedantic, perhaps. But people are taking things literally here, and that can result in an accident. What you shouldn't do, is enter the roundabout when you actually see a car approaching your entry point from within the roundabout. There's a 3-exit roundabout on Buena Vista - and you can see clearly all exits, from any entry point. The person coming into the roundabout from your right, is not a problem for you. But the person coming toward you from your left, is a problem for you. You need to wait for him to either exit at your entry point, or pass you and exit beyond your entry point.

[Rainger99]

You were an idiot!

You should not have entered the roundabout when another driver is in the roundabout.

Read my post. I STARTED to enter the roundabout. I didn’t enter it. If I had entered it, I would probably not be posting today!!

[PersonOfInterest]

Over 180 posts showing that there is not agreement about how to drive the roundabouts. Amazing considering its simply merge in, travel through and get out. Lots of misunderstanding about the rules governing travel through the roundabouts. I stay out of them as much as I can.

[dewilson58]

Over 180 posts showing that there is not agreement about how to drive the roundabouts. Amazing considering its simply merge in, travel through and get out. Lots of misunderstanding about the rules governing travel through the roundabouts. I stay out of them as much as I can.

Too many bad assumptions by drivers.
The key is defensive driving at the appropriate speed.

[dewilson58]

You were an idiot!



Wow, how is this post still alive and no one is in poster jail??

[Rainger99]

Wow, how is this post still alive and no one is in poster jail??

Does seem to violate the following;

USERS ARE NOT ALLOWED TO DIRECT COMMENTS TOWARD ANOTHER USER.

[VApeople]

Wow, how is this post still alive and no one is in poster jail??

Because everyone agrees with me.

We all know no one is supposed to enter a roundabout when there is another car in the roundabout.

[coffeebean]

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[Marathon Man]

A four way roundabout is a crossroad junction same as any other four way junction.
The only difference is the discipline laid down to navigate it.
Directions are left, right, straight on, or U turn.
All this stuff about you can't turn left is pedantic nonsense.

Well said.

[Number 10 GI]

I found this bit of info on using a RB.

how to safely exit a multi lane traffic circle - Search (https://www.bing.com/search?q=how+to+safely+exit+a+multi+lane+traffic+c ircle&form=ANNTH1&refig=f660fd6c15a54c74a43fb52241dd6d1c&sydconv=1)

When approaching a multi-lane roundabout, enter the appropriate lane well in advance of the intersection. Once you find a gap in traffic, enter the multi-lane roundabout and travel to your exit. When you leave the traffic circle, use your directional, watch for pedestrians, stay in your lane, and exit safely1.

In a multi-lane roundabout, you will see two signs as you approach the intersection: the same yellow “roundabout ahead” warning sign and speed signs used for single-lane roundabouts, and a black and white “lane choice” sign. This second sign is to help you choose the appropriate lane for the direction you want to exit the roundabout.

Not sure if this completely addresses the issue but it does say that the lane choice sign is a Traffic Control Device.

[Byte1]

Because everyone agrees with me.

We all know no one is supposed to enter a roundabout when there is another car in the roundabout.

If that is so, why would they need two lanes in a roundabout? Try waiting at the roundabout by the Savannah center until there is no cars in it and you will back up traffic for a mile or more. Nice idea, but not viable.

[Bill14564]

If that is so, why would they need two lanes in a roundabout? Try waiting at the roundabout by the Savannah center until there is no cars in it and you will back up traffic for a mile or more. Nice idea, but not viable.

It is hard to tell if this is a serious question or just trolling.

If you are entering the roundabout while another vehicle is approaching in the inside lane then it is no surprise at all that you sometimes get cut off.

[VApeople]

We all know no one is supposed to enter a roundabout when there is another car in the roundabout.

If that is so, why would they need two lanes in a roundabout?

Our Emperor built the roundabouts and we do not ask WHY?

There is not to reason why,
There is but to do and die.

Into the roundabout,
Rode the six hundred.

[fdpaq0580]

could you imagine a 4 way stop at each roundabout...

Yes. More people seem to understand how an intersection works.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Yes. More people seem to understand how an intersection works.

That's because - in a roundabout, if you want to "take a left" you go around the circle 3/4 and then turn your steering wheel to the RIGHT to exit the circle.

At an intersection, if you want to "take a left" you turn your steering wheel LEFT to exit the intersection.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Our Emperor built the roundabouts and we do not ask WHY?

There is not to reason why,
There is but to do and die.

Into the roundabout,
Rode the six hundred.

I'll be the roundabout
the words will make you out and out
I spend the day your way
call it morning driving through the sound and in and out the valley...

[shut the front door]

Looks like this post didn't turn out the way OP planned. As hard as it was to decipher the OP, it seems as though traffic law has escaped him/her as much as grammar lessons did.

[kkingston57]

And if I’m in the inside lane and going straight through and you’re in the outside lane going around 270, I promise you I’ll sue AND win

I would bet against you. Roundabouts in TV are the most confusing round abouts that I have ever seen. Using your scenario you need to cross over the outside lane of traffic.

[Dotneko]

I would bet against you. Roundabouts in TV are the most confusing round abouts that I have ever seen. Using your scenario you need to cross over the outside lane of traffic.

OMG did you read any of the past pages? He is correct.

[djlnc]

I would bet against you. Roundabouts in TV are the most confusing round abouts that I have ever seen. Using your scenario you need to cross over the outside lane of traffic.

Look at the dashed lines on the road. The dashed lines leading from the inside lane, over the outside lane and to the exit means the inside lane can exit. The outside lane needs to yield.

[Rainger99]

After reading all of the posts, it seems that about half of the people in the Villages have no idea how to drive in a roundabout!

I have learned that you must be extra careful in roundabouts and assume that people are going to make illegal turns. Best course of action is avoid other cars if at all possible!

[Davonu]

Look at the dashed lines on the road. The dashed lines leading from the inside lane, over the outside lane and to the exit means the inside lane can exit. The outside lane needs to yield.
Another example of why you should NEVER drive alongside another vehicle in a roundabout.

[Two Bills]

Look at the dashed lines on the road. The dashed lines leading from the inside lane, over the outside lane and to the exit means the inside lane can exit. The outside lane needs to yield.

No offense, but you are giving bad advice.
If cars are in correct lane, and enter when both lanes are clear to the left, no car has to give way to any other car in the roundabout.
That is the whole point of a roundabout system.
Unfortunately most Villagers seem to have their own interpretation of the system, that is why there is so much confusion.
It is a really a simple process, if you bother to take the time to just learn the rule!

[golfing eagles]

No offense, but you are giving bad advice.
If cars are in correct lane, and enter when both lanes are clear to the left, no car has to give way to any other car in the roundabout.
That is the whole point of a roundabout system.
Unfortunately most Villagers seem to have their own interpretation of the system, that is why there is so much confusion.
It is a really a simple process, if you bother to take the time to just learn the rule!

Absolutely correct!
However, mama always says stupid is as stupid does.

The top reasons for problems in RBs:

1) drivers going to 3rd exit in outer lane
2) drivers entering RB when another vehicle is approaching in EITHER lane
3) drivers cutting across inner lane from outer lane and back again when going to 2nd exit
4) drivers trying to take 1st exit from inner lane
5) Idiots coming to dead stop in RB presumably to let someone enter (or play on cell phone 😂😂😂)

If we eliminate those actions (or drivers 😂😂😂) we might have those flawless RBs

[djlnc]

No offense, but you are giving bad advice.
If cars are in correct lane, and enter when both lanes are clear to the left, no car has to give way to any other car in the roundabout.


That's a big "if". I stand by my statement.

[golfing eagles]

That's a big "if". I stand by my statement.

The problem with standing by that statement is that the driver in the outer lane that you state must yield has already proven they are an idiot by either trying for the 3rd exit in the outer lane or entering when a vehicle was approaching

[djlnc]

The problem with standing by that statement is that the driver in the outer lane that you state must yield has already proven they are an idiot by either trying for the 3rd exit in the outer lane or entering when a vehicle was approaching

Nevertheless, they must yield. Would you suggest they t-bone you instead?

[Bill14564]

Nevertheless, they must yield. Would you suggest they t-bone you instead?

Better to say the outside lane must leave the roundabout at the second exit. Or, better to say the inside lane must not leave the roundabout at the first exit. Or, better to say the car in the outside lane should yield to traffic already in the roundabout before entering.

All the above demand proper behavior rather than accepting incorrect practices.

[Two Bills]

That's a big "if". I stand by my statement.

Still wrong though.
Better to say nothing than give bad advice..:shrug:

[golfing eagles]

Nevertheless, they must yield. Would you suggest they t-bone you instead?

They shouldn’t be there in the first place. But yes, after the idiot has placed both vehicles in that position, somebody better yield, and yes, you’re right, it should be the vehicle in the outer lane. But would you trust the driver who already proved they’re a moron to now have an epiphany and do the right thing????

[Eg_cruz]

Sounds like you are not reading the direction for the roundabout. The outside lanes once entered has to exit within two exits, if you go to exit the third exit you are in the wrong.
Most roundabouts have solid lines where the outside lane is forced to exit but so many drivers cross the solid line.
It’s not that hard if you just follow the directions that are posted before every roundabout

[Eg_cruz]

This is correct. Simple rules.....Everyone should consider themselves entering the ROB at 6. Your options are:

Left Lane: go to 12
Continue around to 9
Right Lane: go to 3
go to 12 (you cannot go past 12 from right lane)
Simply put
Enter RB in the left lane we can exit the 2nd or 3rd exit
Enter RB in the right lane you can exit 1st or 2nd exit

[djlnc]

Still wrong though.
Better to say nothing than give bad advice..:shrug:

The OP claimed that he would not be at fault if he was in the outside lane and ran into someone crossing in front of him to exit from the inside lane. I'm simply stating that the outside lane must yield to the inside lane (no matter how they got there). Not bad advice, but a fact. The alternative is a crash.

[fdpaq0580]

Simply put
Enter RB in the left lane we can exit the 2nd or 3rd exit
Enter RB in the right lane you can exit 1st or 2nd exit

Good! But do you have any idea of how many numbskulls are gonna ask, "but what happens if you ENTER at the first or second exit?" Beware! They are out there.

[djlnc]

Good! But do you have any idea of how many numbskulls are gonna ask, "but what happens if you ENTER at the first or second exit?" Beware! They are out there.

"You are about to enter another dimension. A dimension not only of sight and sound but of mind. A journey into a wondrous land of imagination."

Imagine, if you will, a car approaching the roundabout at 6, intending to exit at 12. Another car has just entered the roundabout at 9, in the inside lane, intending to exit at 3. The car at 6 enters the outside lane immediately after the car from 9 passes. The car from 9 slows down to make his exit at 3 (and of course does not signal). The car from 6 is very close behind him. If the car from 6 is not paying attention, and does not yield, it's collision time.

This is a case where everyone is pretty much following the rules, but danger lurks.

[Two Bills]

I would bet against you. Roundabouts in TV are the most confusing round abouts that I have ever seen. Using your scenario you need to cross over the outside lane of traffic.

Roundabouts in TV are really simple to drive through, if you bother to learn how.
The only confusing thing about them is the drivers making up their own rules to navigate them.
Betting against GE in that scenario shows you are part of the problem, and not the answer.

[Byte1]

Sounds like you are not reading the direction for the roundabout. The outside lanes once entered has to exit within two exits, if you go to exit the third exit you are in the wrong.
Most roundabouts have solid lines where the outside lane is forced to exit but so many drivers cross the solid line.
It’s not that hard if you just follow the directions that are posted before every roundabout

If you think that you can't cross the solid line in the outside lane, then if you are in the outside lane you ALWAYS have to turn right at the first exit you encounter.

[djlnc]

Sounds like you are not reading the direction for the roundabout. The outside lanes once entered has to exit within two exits, if you go to exit the third exit you are in the wrong.
Most roundabouts have solid lines where the outside lane is forced to exit but so many drivers cross the solid line.
It’s not that hard if you just follow the directions that are posted before every roundabout

I don't think I've ever seen one of those - could you give an example?

[coffeebean]

That's because - in a roundabout, if you want to "take a left" you go around the circle 3/4 and then turn your steering wheel to the RIGHT to exit the circle.

At an intersection, if you want to "take a left" you turn your steering wheel LEFT to exit the intersection.

AGREE...........What is so difficult to understand if you picture the RAB as an analog clock? You enter at 6:OO and exit at 9:00. Visualize that you have made a LEFT TURN even though you had to turn your steering wheel to the right to exit the RAB. This is not that difficult.

Her is another one......
Enter the RAB at 6:00 and exit at 12:00. You just went straight even though you had to turn you steering wheel to the right to exit the RAB.

It is a circle. If you don't turn your steering wheel to the right at any given time to exit, you will just go around in circles. Have fun. Wheeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

What is so difficult to understand if you picture the RAB as an analog clock. You enter at 6:OO and exit at 9:00. Visualize that you have made a LEFT TURN even though you had to turn your steering wheel to the right to exit the RAB. This is not that difficult.

Her is another one......
Enter the RAB at 6:00 and exit at 12:00. You just went straight even though you had to turn you steering wheel to the right to exit the RAB.

It is a circle. If you don't turn your steering wheel to the right at any given time to exit, you will just go around in circles. Have fun. Wheeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!

That's pretty much my point, to explain WHY some people find it confusing. Because we refer to exits as "lefts" when in fact, we are exiting to our RIGHT. Once we get to our chosen exit, that exit becomes a RIGHT exit. Even though when we enter the circle, we're heading "left" - to get around the circle. The exit itself is a right exit.

That's why it's confusing to some people. Because we keep referring to those 9 o'clock exits as lefts, when they are not lefts, once we get to them. Because we keep referring to the 12-o'clock exits as "straight" when in fact we aren't going straight, we're going around in a curve, and then taking a RIGHT to get out.

That's why it's confusing to some people. And around and around we go - but if you ever want to get out - turn your wheel to the RIGHT.

[Byte1]

Missouri Highway Patrol Sergeant Michael McClure:
"When leaving a roundabout from the inside lane of a 2-lane roundabout, do you have to yield to the outside lane? Don’t assume the driver in the outside lane is making a right turn. They may be continuing in the roundabout. So, yes. You should yield to avoid a collision."

[Bill14564]

That's pretty much my point, to explain WHY some people find it confusing. Because we refer to exits as "lefts" when in fact, we are exiting to our RIGHT. Once we get to our chosen exit, that exit becomes a RIGHT exit. Even though when we enter the circle, we're heading "left" - to get around the circle. The exit itself is a right exit.

That's why it's confusing to some people. Because we keep referring to those 9 o'clock exits as lefts, when they are not lefts, once we get to them. Because we keep referring to the 12-o'clock exits as "straight" when in fact we aren't going straight, we're going around in a curve, and then taking a RIGHT to get out.

That's why it's confusing to some people. And around and around we go - but if you ever want to get out - turn your wheel to the RIGHT.

I have yet to see someone stuck in the circle because they can’t figure out how to get out.

We/I refer to the left exit because I know some people won’t understand 9 o’clock particularly because by the time they get there it is 12 o’clock to them (just as you insist it is a right turn to them which, I suppose, makes it 3 o’clock to them… very confusing)

[golfing eagles]

I have yet to see someone stuck in the circle because they can’t figure out how to get out.

We/I refer to the left exit because I know some people won’t understand 9 o’clock particularly because by the time they get there it is 12 o’clock to them (just as you insist it is a right turn to them)

Plus we now have an entire generation raised on digital watches and have no idea how to tell time 😂😂😂

[coffeebean]

Simply put
Enter RB in the left lane we can exit the 2nd or 3rd exit
Enter RB in the right lane you can exit 1st or 2nd exit

Now.........how easy peasy is that?

[coffeebean]

That's pretty much my point, to explain WHY some people find it confusing. Because we refer to exits as "lefts" when in fact, we are exiting to our RIGHT. Once we get to our chosen exit, that exit becomes a RIGHT exit. Even though when we enter the circle, we're heading "left" - to get around the circle. The exit itself is a right exit.

That's why it's confusing to some people. Because we keep referring to those 9 o'clock exits as lefts, when they are not lefts, once we get to them. Because we keep referring to the 12-o'clock exits as "straight" when in fact we aren't going straight, we're going around in a curve, and then taking a RIGHT to get out.

That's why it's confusing to some people. And around and around we go - but if you ever want to get out - turn your wheel to the RIGHT.

I just now edited my post you are referring to and added AGREE as the first word, so I do agree with what you said.

[fdpaq0580]

230 posts talking about going in circles. WOW!

[JMintzer]

This "there is no left turn at a roundabout, every turn is a right turn" crap is just pedantic nonsense. Everyone knows what they mean when they talk about "turning left at a roundabout"...


P.S. So how was your "vacation"? :p

[dewilson58]

This "there is no left turn at a roundabout, every turn is a right turn" crap is just pedantic nonsense. Everyone knows what they mean when they talk about "turning left at a roundabout"...


P.S. So how was your "vacation"? :p

Welcome to the merry-go-round!!

[fdpaq0580]

This "there is no left turn at a roundabout, every turn is a right turn" crap is just pedantic nonsense. Everyone knows what they mean when they talk about "turning left at a roundabout"...


P.S. So how was your "vacation"? :p

"Everyone? "
I have seen a few that didn't.

[Byte1]

The OP claimed that he would not be at fault if he was in the outside lane and ran into someone crossing in front of him to exit from the inside lane. I'm simply stating that the outside lane must yield to the inside lane (no matter how they got there). Not bad advice, but a fact. The alternative is a crash.

Nope, the outside lane has the right of way and the left has to yield. The law in every state is that the person going straight has the right of way over those turning. You never turn in front of another vehicle that is traveling straight unless you are just passing and only when safe.

[Bogie Shooter]

And the repetition continues…………………

[JMintzer]

"Everyone? "
I have seen a few that didn't.

Well, those few who didn't aren't going to understand "you only make a right turn off the roundabout" either...

[Byte1]

Sounds like you are not reading the direction for the roundabout. The outside lanes once entered has to exit within two exits, if you go to exit the third exit you are in the wrong.
Most roundabouts have solid lines where the outside lane is forced to exit but so many drivers cross the solid line.
It’s not that hard if you just follow the directions that are posted before every roundabout

The signs ONLY show you how you can exit the RB, but not which vehicle must yield. And there is NO law that says you cannot continue around the circle in the right lane. If you miss your turn for some reason, you are allowed to continue around until you get to your destination exit.

[JMintzer]

Nope, the outside lane has the right of way and the left has to yield. The law in every state is that the person going straight has the right of way over those turning. You never turn in front of another vehicle that is traveling straight unless you are just passing and only when safe.

If the r-a-b has two lanes that enter and two lanes that go straight thru, the inside lane does not yield to the outside lane...

[Two Bills]

Nope, the outside lane has the right of way and the left has to yield. The law in every state is that the person going straight has the right of way over those turning. You never turn in front of another vehicle that is traveling straight unless you are just passing and only when safe. :ohdear:

There is an old say about stopping digging when in a deep hole.
Still applies today!

[Byte1]

If the r-a-b has two lanes that enter and two lanes that go straight thru, the inside lane does not yield to the outside lane...

Normally, I agree with you. In this case, I don't. As former law enforcement, if I was required to give one or the other a ticket for an accident in a RB, it would be the one that turned in front of the other vehicle. Just because the sign says how to exit the RB, it does not say which vehicle has the right of way because it is assumed that anyone taking a drivers test for a license knows that one does not turn in front of another car. I understand the confusion, but anyone that is in the inside lane that assumes that the outside car going on to the next exit is going to yield for them as they turn in front of them, is easily asking for a collision. You must slow down until it is safe to exit from the left lane for a right turn. Not only is that law, but it is also common sense. I am not a former Florida officer, so if they have a different law, I would be interested in reading it.

[Bill14564]

The signs ONLY show you how you can exit the RB, but not which vehicle must yield. And there is NO law that says you cannot continue around the circle in the right lane. If you miss your turn for some reason, you are allowed to continue around until you get to your destination exit.

Since you seem so well versed in the law, please point to the Florida statute(s) that supports your assertion.

[Bill14564]

Normally, I agree with you. In this case, I don't. As former law enforcement, if I was required to give one of the other a ticket for an accident in a RB, it would be the one that turned in front of the other vehicle. Just because the sign says how to exit the RB, it does not say which vehicle has the right of way because it is assumed that anyone taking a drivers test for a license knows that one does not turn in front of another car. I understand the confusion, but anyone that is in the inside lane that assumes that the outside car going on to the next exit is going to yield for them as they turn in front of them, is easily asking for a collision. You must slow down until it is safe to exit from the left lane for a right turn. Not only is that law, but it is also common sense. I am not a former Florida officer, so if they have a different law, I would be interested in reading it.

As others have argued that exiting a RAB requires a right hand turn, it is more accurate to say that staying in the RAB requires a left hand turn. Straighten the wheel and you will find yourself outside the circle. Do this at just the right time and you will find yourself on one of the exit roads. The lane markings also support that exiting is natural and continuing in the outside lane is the exception.

So, given physics, steering wheel position, lane markings, and signage, just who is turning in front of who in your scenario?

[Byte1]

Since you seem so well versed in the law, please point to the Florida statute(s) that supports your assertion.

show me one that supports what you say. I am very interested, seriously.

[JMintzer]

Normally, I agree with you. In this case, I don't. As former law enforcement, if I was required to give one or the other a ticket for an accident in a RB, it would be the one that turned in front of the other vehicle. Just because the sign says how to exit the RB, it does not say which vehicle has the right of way because it is assumed that anyone taking a drivers test for a license knows that one does not turn in front of another car. I understand the confusion, but anyone that is in the inside lane that assumes that the outside car going on to the next exit is going to yield for them as they turn in front of them, is easily asking for a collision. You must slow down until it is safe to exit from the left lane for a right turn. Not only is that law, but it is also common sense. I am not a former Florida officer, so if they have a different law, I would be interested in reading it.

You are not "turning in front of another car"...

The lane directions aren't a "just because". They are instructions on how to navigate the r-a-b.

If you gave someone a citation after being hit from the right, going straight thru a r-ab, it would be tossed out.

[Bill14564]

show me one that supports what you say. I am very interested, seriously.

I’ll go with the law requiring you to yield to vehicles in the circle and the signage prior to the circle for now. Will find the traffic laws when I am on a better platform.

[Byte1]

As others have argued that exiting a RAB requires a right hand turn, it is more accurate to say that staying in the RAB requires a left hand turn. Straighten the wheel and you will find yourself outside the circle. Do this at just the right time and you will find yourself on one of the exit roads. The lane markings also support that exiting is natural and continuing in the outside lane is the exception.

So, given physics, steering wheel position, lane markings, and signage, just who is turning in front of who in your scenario?

Good question. Do you also go straight on a winding road? If you are following a road around a mountain and you go straight off the side, are you traveling straight or turning? :beer3:

[Babubhat]

Laws are meaningless without enforcement

[Byte1]

I’ll go with the law requiring you to yield to vehicles in the circle and the signage prior to the circle for now. Will find the traffic laws when I am on a better platform.

Ok, I'll follow the law when someone shows me the law. Until then, I will yield to the person that is about to cause an accident. The signs at the entrance to the RB do not stipulate right of way. Only how to exit the RB properly. There IS a yield sign at the entrance to the RB, which means you must yield to vehicles already in the RB before proceeding. Technically, you can exit from the RB from either lane, at any given point in the RB.

[JMintzer]

The signs ONLY show you how you can exit the RB, but not which vehicle must yield. And there is NO law that says you cannot continue around the circle in the right lane. If you miss your turn for some reason, you are allowed to continue around until you get to your destination exit.

Are you aware of the laws regarding a solid line vs a dotted/dashed line separating the lanes?

In regular traffic, you are not supposed to change lanes where the line is solid. Yes, you can change lanes at a dotted/dashed line, but only when safe.

The car in the inside lane does not have to cross any lines to continue thru the r-a-b. The car in the outside lane MUST change lanes in order to continue going around. Hence, THEY are the ones who must yield to the inside lane traffic.

I can only explain it to you. I can't "understand" it for you...

[djlnc]

Technically, you can exit from the RB from either lane, at any given point in the RB.

Jeez...all the money they wasted on those signs...