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Bay Kid
07-24-2023, 08:43 AM
I watched this video yesterday, "Try That In A Small Town". It was moving but I didn't see anything wrong with this, other than the memory of 2020 riots. I was born and raised in rural town and that is so true that we always would help others.

MrFlorida
07-24-2023, 09:05 AM
It's mild compared to a Rap song.....Rap songs are violent, degrading, and radical. But nobody says anything about them, I wonder why that is ?

Bill14564
07-24-2023, 09:08 AM
I watched this video yesterday, "Try That In A Small Town". It was moving but I didn't see anything wrong with this, other than the memory of 2020 riots. I was born and raised in rural town and that is so true that we always would help others.

I agree.

I have read some of the articles explaining the controversy and I have watched the video. While I acknowledge that the the historical perspective may be accurate, I don't believe the casual viewer would recognize it or follow it to the conclusions drawn by the detractors. Most viewers will find the video moving, particularly those who grew up in small towns.

If anything, I'm a little uncomfortable with the challenge offered by the song itself. The small town that I grew up in would rather not have anyone trying that, they don't need that kind of challenge on the table. I also believe current society is confrontational enough and we don't need to encourage any more "tough guy" attitude. But that's the song and not the video and it's just something that makes me uncomfortable.

Not my preferred style of music but a nice song and a good video to accompany it.

OrangeBlossomBaby
07-24-2023, 11:11 AM
I watched this video yesterday, "Try That In A Small Town". It was moving but I didn't see anything wrong with this, other than the memory of 2020 riots. I was born and raised in rural town and that is so true that we always would help others.

The hypocrisy of the singer is astounding and profound. A little background:

He performed in 2017 in Vegas. A series of shots were fired into the crowd from a single shooter at Mandalay Bay, killing 58 people and injuring over 200. That was the BIG "Vegas mass shooting" and yes he was the one performing on stage when it happened.

Did he, or anyone in his crew, take up their arms and shoot the killer? Nope. Not a one. What did Jason Aldean do then, you might ask? Glad you asked. He ran from his spot, ducked behind stage equipment, and ran off stage from there.

He wrote his current song knowing full well that it would divide people even further and knowing full well that he wouldn't do any such thing as take up arms against an enemy. He would run from the enemy. He already showed that's what he would do.

And frankly - he was right to run. Standing still and trying to shoot back would've been stupid, and potentially even more lethal than running.

But he would have everyone ELSE shoot back. That's what the problem is. It's false bravado intended to rile up someone's base.

JMintzer
07-24-2023, 02:02 PM
The hypocrisy of the singer is astounding and profound. A little background:

He performed in 2017 in Vegas. A series of shots were fired into the crowd from a single shooter at Mandalay Bay, killing 58 people and injuring over 200. That was the BIG "Vegas mass shooting" and yes he was the one performing on stage when it happened.

Did he, or anyone in his crew, take up their arms and shoot the killer? Nope. Not a one. What did Jason Aldean do then, you might ask? Glad you asked. He ran from his spot, ducked behind stage equipment, and ran off stage from there.

He wrote his current song knowing full well that it would divide people even further and knowing full well that he wouldn't do any such thing as take up arms against an enemy. He would run from the enemy. He already showed that's what he would do.

And frankly - he was right to run. Standing still and trying to shoot back would've been stupid, and potentially even more lethal than running.

But he would have everyone ELSE shoot back. That's what the problem is. It's false bravado intended to rile up someone's base.

None of what you wrote is true... Nothing but a false narrative...

Shoot back? Did he (or his crew) have rifles (or any type of gun) onstage? Of course not? I'm sure the Mandalay Bay Hotel had a strict "no firearms policy" at the concert... Exactly WHO would he have "shooting back"?

He ran? Nope. His security team did their job and came on stage and grabbed him, dragging him to safety...

He wrote his current song KNOWING FULL WELL it would divide? Were you in on the creative process? You know this how?

Keefelane66
07-24-2023, 02:23 PM
I watched this video yesterday, "Try That In A Small Town". It was moving but I didn't see anything wrong with this, other than the memory of 2020 riots. I was born and raised in rural town and that is so true that we always would help others.
“Try That in a Small Town” was written by songwriters Kelley Lovelace, Kurt Allison, Tully Kennedy and Neil Thrasher. The video features Aldean performing in front of the Maury County Courthouse in Columbia, Tenn.
Henry Choate, 18, was accused of assaulting a white 16-year-old girl. He was jailed, but a mob of hundreds of white people kidnapped him from his cell. He was tied to the back of a car and dragged across town, and eventually hanged in front of the Maury County County Court House.
Choate was one of at least 20 Black men in Maury County to be lynched or kidnapped and presumably killed by the KKK or white mobs, according to local historian Elizabeth Queener.
Let's rewrite history?

Al2014
07-24-2023, 02:27 PM
The hypocrisy of the singer is astounding and profound. A little background:

He performed in 2017 in Vegas. A series of shots were fired into the crowd from a single shooter at Mandalay Bay, killing 58 people and injuring over 200. That was the BIG "Vegas mass shooting" and yes he was the one performing on stage when it happened.

Did he, or anyone in his crew, take up their arms and shoot the killer? Nope. Not a one. What did Jason Aldean do then, you might ask? Glad you asked. He ran from his spot, ducked behind stage equipment, and ran off stage from there.

He wrote his current song knowing full well that it would divide people even further and knowing full well that he wouldn't do any such thing as take up arms against an enemy. He would run from the enemy. He already showed that's what he would do.

And frankly - he was right to run. Standing still and trying to shoot back would've been stupid, and potentially even more lethal than running.

But he would have everyone ELSE shoot back. That's what the problem is. It's false bravado intended to rile up someone's base.
Las Vegas is not a small town. His song speaks to small towns.

Plinker
07-24-2023, 02:32 PM
The hypocrisy of the singer is astounding and profound. A little background:

He performed in 2017 in Vegas. A series of shots were fired into the crowd from a single shooter at Mandalay Bay, killing 58 people and injuring over 200. That was the BIG "Vegas mass shooting" and yes he was the one performing on stage when it happened.

Did he, or anyone in his crew, take up their arms and shoot the killer? Nope. Not a one. What did Jason Aldean do then, you might ask? Glad you asked. He ran from his spot, ducked behind stage equipment, and ran off stage from there.

He wrote his current song knowing full well that it would divide people even further and knowing full well that he wouldn't do any such thing as take up arms against an enemy. He would run from the enemy. He already showed that's what he would do.

And frankly - he was right to run. Standing still and trying to shoot back would've been stupid, and potentially even more lethal than running.

But he would have everyone ELSE shoot back. That's what the problem is. It's false bravado intended to rile up someone's base.


Wow! You have an entirely different take on this song and video
than I do.

Your statement claiming Mr. Aldean is a hypocrite is absurd.
Your third paragraph suggests he, his band members and staff are wimps for not carrying concealed weapons and firing back at the unseen assailant yet your fifth paragraph praises him for sheltering in place which is what law enforcement suggests. This is your basis for labeling Mr. Aldean a hypocrite? Your entire claim of hypocrisy is based on nothing more than assumption and supposition.

I lived on a bayou in Louisiana. Neighbors looked out for each other. In my opinion, Mr. Aldean has a hit on his hands.

Bill14564
07-24-2023, 02:33 PM
“Try That in a Small Town” was written by songwriters Kelley Lovelace, Kurt Allison, Tully Kennedy and Neil Thrasher. The video features Aldean performing in front of the Maury County Courthouse in Columbia, Tenn.
Henry Choate, 18, was accused of assaulting a white 16-year-old girl. He was jailed, but a mob of hundreds of white people kidnapped him from his cell. He was tied to the back of a car and dragged across town, and eventually hanged in front of the Maury County County Court House.
Choate was one of at least 20 Black men in Maury County to be lynched or kidnapped and presumably killed by the KKK or white mobs, according to local historian Elizabeth Queener.
Let's rewrite history?

Just what history is anyone attempting to rewrite?

As I wrote earlier:
I agree.

I have read some of the articles explaining the controversy and I have watched the video. While I acknowledge that the the historical perspective may be accurate, I don't believe the casual viewer would recognize it or follow it to the conclusions drawn by the detractors. Most viewers will find the video moving, particularly those who grew up in small towns.

....

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JMintzer
07-24-2023, 02:43 PM
“Try That in a Small Town” was written by songwriters Kelley Lovelace, Kurt Allison, Tully Kennedy and Neil Thrasher. The video features Aldean performing in front of the Maury County Courthouse in Columbia, Tenn.
Henry Choate, 18, was accused of assaulting a white 16-year-old girl. He was jailed, but a mob of hundreds of white people kidnapped him from his cell. He was tied to the back of a car and dragged across town, and eventually hanged in front of the Maury County County Court House.
Choate was one of at least 20 Black men in Maury County to be lynched or kidnapped and presumably killed by the KKK or white mobs, according to local historian Elizabeth Queener.
Let's rewrite history?

Thanks for the history lesson...

What does that have to do with the song, the courthouse (which has been used in multiple videos, movies and TV shows) or the music video?

JMintzer
07-24-2023, 02:45 PM
Wow! You have an entirely different take on this song and video
than I do.

Your statement claiming Mr. Aldean is a hypocrite is absurd.
Your third paragraph suggests he, his band members and staff are wimps for not carrying concealed weapons and firing back at the unseen assailant yet your fifth paragraph praises him for sheltering in place which is what law enforcement suggests. This is your basis for labeling Mr. Aldean a hypocrite? Your entire claim of hypocrisy is based on nothing more than assumption and supposition.

I lived on a bayou in Louisiana. Neighbors looked out for each other. In my opinion, Mr. Aldean has a hit on his hands.

It's the #1 song on iTunes...

MrFlorida
07-24-2023, 03:09 PM
Again, listen to a Rap song, and lets compare notes.....

Keefelane66
07-24-2023, 03:26 PM
Thanks for the history lesson...

What does that have to do with the song, the courthouse (which has been used in multiple videos, movies and TV shows) or the music video?
He could have used the Capitol in DC as a back drop...

Whitley
07-24-2023, 03:35 PM
“Try That in a Small Town” was written by songwriters Kelley Lovelace, Kurt Allison, Tully Kennedy and Neil Thrasher. The video features Aldean performing in front of the Maury County Courthouse in Columbia, Tenn.
Henry Choate, 18, was accused of assaulting a white 16-year-old girl. He was jailed, but a mob of hundreds of white people kidnapped him from his cell. He was tied to the back of a car and dragged across town, and eventually hanged in front of the Maury County County Court House.
Choate was one of at least 20 Black men in Maury County to be lynched or kidnapped and presumably killed by the KKK or white mobs, according to local historian Elizabeth Queener.
Let's rewrite history?

I am a bit amazed at how some will really streeeetttccchhhhhh to find something to be outraged about.

Nice song. Don't play stupid games in a small town. Unlike big cities like Seattle and Portland, we don't put up with that nonsense.

Bill14564
07-24-2023, 03:36 PM
He could have used the Capitol in DC as a back drop...

Probably not. At a minimum there are rules and regulations but it is likely that there are also hefty fees.

Whitley
07-24-2023, 03:39 PM
There is a certain type of person who wakes up each morning thinking, what can I find to offend me today. If nothing is obvious, they will do backflips and contort reality to find something they can be outraged by. Must be a sad existence.

"HOW DARE YOU go to a gym and work out, when in MY MIND that is racist!" Not making that up. They actually say that now. As I said, they MUST be outraged.

JMintzer
07-24-2023, 06:37 PM
He could have used the Capitol in DC as a back drop...

DC's not a "Small Town"...

Doro22
07-25-2023, 05:55 AM
:agree::agree:None of what you wrote is true... Nothing but a false narrative...

Shoot back? Did he (or his crew) have rifles (or any type of gun) onstage? Of course not? I'm sure the Mandalay Bay Hotel had a strict "no firearms policy" at the concert... Exactly WHO would he have "shooting back"?

He ran? Nope. His security team did their job and came on stage and grabbed him, dragging him to safety...

He wrote his current song KNOWING FULL WELL it would divide? Were you in on the creative process? You know this how?

Good post with factual info!

Captainpd
07-25-2023, 06:44 AM
I watched this video yesterday, "Try That In A Small Town". It was moving but I didn't see anything wrong with this, other than the memory of 2020 riots. I was born and raised in rural town and that is so true that we always would help others.
And these memories would be of muggers, thieves, looters, burning buildings.? And now a major city is going to reward these people who were arrested with $10000 each! Hold on to your real memories of what America was, it will never be the same.

Captainpd
07-25-2023, 06:55 AM
“Try That in a Small Town” was written by songwriters Kelley Lovelace, Kurt Allison, Tully Kennedy and Neil Thrasher. The video features Aldean performing in front of the Maury County Courthouse in Columbia, Tenn.
Henry Choate, 18, was accused of assaulting a white 16-year-old girl. He was jailed, but a mob of hundreds of white people kidnapped him from his cell. He was tied to the back of a car and dragged across town, and eventually hanged in front of the Maury County County Court House.
Choate was one of at least 20 Black men in Maury County to be lynched or kidnapped and presumably killed by the KKK or white mobs, according to local historian Elizabeth Queener.
Let's rewrite history?
That happened in 1927 almost 100 years ago. With the way history is being erased, no one remembers anything. How about all the people who were killed in the Christian wars in the name of religion

NoMo50
07-25-2023, 06:59 AM
The furor surrounding Jason Aldean's music video is just the latest example of selective outrage practiced by the Cancel Clowns. Where are the Clowns when rappers and hip hoppers "sing" about murdering police officers and degrading women? Talk about hypocrites. I give Aldean a lot of credit for having the stones to put his video out there, given the climate in the entertainment industry.

TheWarriors
07-25-2023, 07:04 AM
The hypocrisy of the singer is astounding and profound. A little background:

He performed in 2017 in Vegas. A series of shots were fired into the crowd from a single shooter at Mandalay Bay, killing 58 people and injuring over 200. That was the BIG "Vegas mass shooting" and yes he was the one performing on stage when it happened.

Did he, or anyone in his crew, take up their arms and shoot the killer? Nope. Not a one. What did Jason Aldean do then, you might ask? Glad you asked. He ran from his spot, ducked behind stage equipment, and ran off stage from there.

He wrote his current song knowing full well that it would divide people even further and knowing full well that he wouldn't do any such thing as take up arms against an enemy. He would run from the enemy. He already showed that's what he would do.

And frankly - he was right to run. Standing still and trying to shoot back would've been stupid, and potentially even more lethal than running.

But he would have everyone ELSE shoot back. That's what the problem is. It's false bravado intended to rile up someone's base.

You mean that same concert where we never really heard who was the shooter or why? Just waxed over as an upset gambler, yea right. And you wonder why people don’t trust the alphabet agencies any longer. The king is naked and I’m not buying the new clothes look great. They couldn’t even figure out who brought cocaine into the Whitehouse. And yet crickets from the mainstream media on Amy issues that don’t support their agenda

ithos
07-25-2023, 07:06 AM
Speaking of courthouses, whose side are you on?

Rioters barricaded DHS officers in Portland courthouse and tried to set it on fire

dewilson58
07-25-2023, 07:13 AM
You mean that same concert where we never really heard who was the shooter or why?

Stephen Paddock

Wondering
07-25-2023, 07:24 AM
I watched this video yesterday, "Try That In A Small Town". It was moving but I didn't see anything wrong with this, other than the memory of 2020 riots. I was born and raised in rural town and that is so true that we always would help others.
The musician who wrote and sang the song comes from a town that had/has a history of racism and violence toward minorities. You may have come from/ grew up in a nice small rural town with no history of racism and or violence toward minorities but that is not the case in many small southern towns.

Bay Kid
07-25-2023, 07:27 AM
Funny how it is ok to sing about killing police, open sex and even using the N word. We are upside down.

Whitley
07-25-2023, 07:31 AM
And these memories would be of muggers, thieves, looters, burning buildings.? And now a major city is going to reward these people who were arrested with $10000 each! Hold on to your real memories of what America was, it will never be the same.

Why is that? What does a Chicago gain by no cash bail, at all. Or portland with legalizing all drugs? Why do this?

dewilson58
07-25-2023, 07:32 AM
The musician who wrote and sang the song comes .............................

I thought the writer(s) and the singer were different.

Whitley
07-25-2023, 07:34 AM
Speaking of courthouses, whose side are you on?

Rioters barricaded DHS officers in Portland courthouse and tried to set it on fire

Mostly peaceful.

Bill14564
07-25-2023, 07:41 AM
The musician who wrote and sang the song comes from a town that had/has a history of racism and violence toward minorities. You may have come from/ grew up in a nice small rural town with no history of racism and or violence toward minorities but that is not the case in many small southern towns.

Four people are credited with writing the song and none of them are the singer, Jason Aldean.

One could argue that the small town the song refers to (if it refers to any one small town) would likely be the home of those who wrote it, not the artist who sings it. But even given that, what part of the "history of racism and violence toward(sic) minorities" that you mention happened in the last 40 years when Aldean would have been around to notice it?

airstreamingypsy
07-25-2023, 07:42 AM
The hypocrisy of the singer is astounding and profound. A little background:

He performed in 2017 in Vegas. A series of shots were fired into the crowd from a single shooter at Mandalay Bay, killing 58 people and injuring over 200. That was the BIG "Vegas mass shooting" and yes he was the one performing on stage when it happened.

Did he, or anyone in his crew, take up their arms and shoot the killer? Nope. Not a one. What did Jason Aldean do then, you might ask? Glad you asked. He ran from his spot, ducked behind stage equipment, and ran off stage from there.

He wrote his current song knowing full well that it would divide people even further and knowing full well that he wouldn't do any such thing as take up arms against an enemy. He would run from the enemy. He already showed that's what he would do.

And frankly - he was right to run. Standing still and trying to shoot back would've been stupid, and potentially even more lethal than running.

But he would have everyone ELSE shoot back. That's what the problem is. It's false bravado intended to rile up someone's base.

I agree with everything you said, I always do, but slight correction.... he didn't write the song. Four people actually wrote that dreck, and he wasn't one of them. Kelley Lovelace, Kurt Allison, Neil Thrasher and Tully Kennedy wrote it.

Bill14564
07-25-2023, 07:46 AM
Why is that? What does a Chicago gain by no cash bail, at all. Or portland with legalizing all drugs? Why do this?

Two questions worthy of their own threads.

justjim
07-25-2023, 07:51 AM
The hypocrisy of the singer is astounding and profound. A little background:

He performed in 2017 in Vegas. A series of shots were fired into the crowd from a single shooter at Mandalay Bay, killing 58 people and injuring over 200. That was the BIG "Vegas mass shooting" and yes he was the one performing on stage when it happened.

Did he, or anyone in his crew, take up their arms and shoot the killer? Nope. Not a one. What did Jason Aldean do then, you might ask? Glad you asked. He ran from his spot, ducked behind stage equipment, and ran off stage from there.

He wrote his current song knowing full well that it would divide people even further and knowing full well that he wouldn't do any such thing as take up arms against an enemy. He would run from the enemy. He already showed that's what he would do.

And frankly - he was right to run. Standing still and trying to shoot back would've been stupid, and potentially even more lethal than running.

But he would have everyone ELSE shoot back. That's what the problem is. It's false bravado intended to rile up someone's base.

You’re entitled to your opinion but you’re off base on this one IMHO. It’s a bridge way too far to make “something” out of this song that’s just not there. It’s just a typical country song like thousands of others. Not all country songs make any money but it appears this one will!

Jokomo
07-25-2023, 07:56 AM
Aumahd Arbery tried jogging in a small town and he was chased and murdered.

DonnaNi4os
07-25-2023, 08:05 AM
The hypocrisy of the singer is astounding and profound. A little background:

He performed in 2017 in Vegas. A series of shots were fired into the crowd from a single shooter at Mandalay Bay, killing 58 people and injuring over 200. That was the BIG "Vegas mass shooting" and yes he was the one performing on stage when it happened.

Did he, or anyone in his crew, take up their arms and shoot the killer? Nope. Not a one. What did Jason Aldean do then, you might ask? Glad you asked. He ran from his spot, ducked behind stage equipment, and ran off stage from there.

He wrote his current song knowing full well that it would divide people even further and knowing full well that he wouldn't do any such thing as take up arms against an enemy. He would run from the enemy. He already showed that's what he would do.

And frankly - he was right to run. Standing still and trying to shoot back would've been stupid, and potentially even more lethal than running.

But he would have everyone ELSE shoot back. That's what the problem is. It's false bravado intended to rile up someone's base.

Just for the record, Aldean is not the writer of the song. He did not pick the location of the filming, the production team did. I do not know if it was an intentional choice or not, likely it was. What I do know is that he was on stage when the mass shooting in Las Vegas took place. Yes he ran. Who wouldn’t have? The slightest suggestion that he and his band would have taken up arms and shot back is ludicrous.

Incidentally, there was no controversy over the song until the video was snubbed by CMT and in doing so his song became controversial not to mention increasing the purchase of his recording. As they say, no publicity is bad publicity. Aren’t we all tired of gun violence and isn’t it always on our minds when out in crowds or even in church. His song is saying he is fed up with it and it’s time to stop. I propose that he makes another video of this song at a different location.
It was unfortunate choice of locale to begin with. What happened there many years ago is unforgivable and hence the controversy.

dewilson58
07-25-2023, 08:24 AM
I agree with everything you said, I always do, but slight correction.... he didn't write the song. Four people actually wrote that dreck, and he wasn't one of them. Kelley Lovelace, Kurt Allison, Neil Thrasher and Tully Kennedy wrote it.

Surprised you agree with "Did he, or anyone in his crew, take up their arms and shoot the killer? Nope. Not a one. What did Jason Aldean do then, you might ask? Glad you asked. He ran from his spot, ducked behind stage equipment, and ran off stage from there."

You understand he was on stage and the shooter was floors up in a hotel.

Boomer
07-25-2023, 08:34 AM
People who earn a living with words know the power of words and they know their target audience.

That’s a fact and it applies across the board. He knew what he was doing. And so do rappers.

Words matter.

Boomer

Cybersprings
07-25-2023, 08:42 AM
The hypocrisy of the singer is astounding and profound. A little background:

He performed in 2017 in Vegas. A series of shots were fired into the crowd from a single shooter at Mandalay Bay, killing 58 people and injuring over 200. That was the BIG "Vegas mass shooting" and yes he was the one performing on stage when it happened.

Did he, or anyone in his crew, take up their arms and shoot the killer? Nope. Not a one. What did Jason Aldean do then, you might ask? Glad you asked. He ran from his spot, ducked behind stage equipment, and ran off stage from there.

He wrote his current song knowing full well that it would divide people even further and knowing full well that he wouldn't do any such thing as take up arms against an enemy. He would run from the enemy. He already showed that's what he would do.

And frankly - he was right to run. Standing still and trying to shoot back would've been stupid, and potentially even more lethal than running.

But he would have everyone ELSE shoot back. That's what the problem is. It's false bravado intended to rile up someone's base.

Because, of course, he had a rifle on stage to shoot back with. What nonsense.

OrangeBlossomBaby
07-25-2023, 08:43 AM
Funny how it is ok to sing about killing police, open sex and even using the N word. We are upside down.

It's only bad if people of color sing or rap them. If a good ole white country boy sings it, it's patriotic.

dewilson58
07-25-2023, 08:47 AM
People who earn a living with words know the power of words and they know their target audience. That’s a fact and it applies across the board. He knew what he was doing. And so do rappers. Words matter. Boomer

The words are fine................it's all the media, assumption, fake news that has created the issue and people jump on.

The Words as C&P:

Lyrics
Sucker punch somebody on a sidewalk
Carjack an old lady at a red light
Pull a gun on the owner of a liquor store
Ya think it's cool, well, act a fool if ya like
Cuss out a cop, spit in his face
Stomp on the flag and light it up
Yeah, ya think you're tough
Well, try that in a small town
See how far ya make it down the road
Around here, we take care of our own
You cross that line, it won't take long
For you to find out, I recommend you don't
Try that in a small town
Got a gun that my granddad gave me
They say one day they're gonna round up
Well, that **** might fly in the city, good luck
Try that in a small town
See how far ya make it down the road
Around here, we take care of our own
You cross that line, it won't take long
For you to find out, I recommend you don't
Try that in a small town
Full of good ol' boys, raised up right
If you're looking for a fight
Try that in a small town
Try that in a small town
Try that in a small town
See how far ya make it down the road
Around here, we take care of our own
You cross that line, it won't take long
For you to find out, I recommend you don't
Try that in a small town
Try that in a small town
Ooh-ooh
Try that in a small town

Whitley
07-25-2023, 08:49 AM
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Cybersprings
07-25-2023, 08:53 AM
It's only bad if people of color sing or rap them. If a good ole white country boy sings it, it's patriotic.

Please provide one example of a white rap song talking about killing police or using the n-word that you find supported by this group or the entire evil group of white men in general. I'll wait.......

OrangeBlossomBaby
07-25-2023, 09:10 AM
I agree with everything you said, I always do, but slight correction.... he didn't write the song. Four people actually wrote that dreck, and he wasn't one of them. Kelley Lovelace, Kurt Allison, Neil Thrasher and Tully Kennedy wrote it.

Thanks. Yeah I saw that after I posted. Point stands though, Aldean has the option of performing a song or not, and he chose to perform it. He chose to deliver the message. He isn't from a small town, he's from Macon, GA. Macon was considered the arsenal of the Confederacy during the Civil War. Now, Macon is mostly black, with over 30% of the population living in poverty. The city has a history of racism starting (obviously) with slavery pre-Civil War, and all the way up to this year (when a coach's bigoted rant went viral).

There's nothing "not racist" about him. Even the clips in the video (which he would have had to approve, even if he didn't create the video himself), he chooses "BLM" clips, clips of violence in Germany, Ukraine, and Canada, some of which are over a decade old. The background for Aldean himself in the video, is the Maury County Courthouse, which is where Henry Choate was lynched and 20 years later, was the location of a huge race riot.

His message - which is basically - "the people in my town will tear you apart if you do anything we don't like" - combined with the BLATANT racist tones of the video - is evidence of one of two possibilities: Either Jason Aldean is intentionally racist and bigoted, OR he's ignorantly racist and bigoted.

In other words - he either knows what he is, and is making excuses and lying about it, or he's been so deeply indoctrinated that he sincerely has no idea just how bigoted he is.

Bill14564
07-25-2023, 09:37 AM
Thanks. Yeah I saw that after I posted. Point stands though, Aldean has the option of performing a song or not, and he chose to perform it. He chose to deliver the message. He isn't from a small town, he's from Macon, GA. Macon was considered the arsenal of the Confederacy during the Civil War. Now, Macon is mostly black, with over 30% of the population living in poverty. The city has a history of racism starting (obviously) with slavery pre-Civil War, and all the way up to this year (when a coach's bigoted rant went viral).

There's nothing "not racist" about him. Even the clips in the video (which he would have had to approve, even if he didn't create the video himself), he chooses "BLM" clips, clips of violence in Germany, Ukraine, and Canada, some of which are over a decade old. The background for Aldean himself in the video, is the Maury County Courthouse, which is where Henry Choate was lynched and 20 years later, was the location of a huge race riot.

His message - which is basically - "the people in my town will tear you apart if you do anything we don't like" - combined with the BLATANT racist tones of the video - is evidence of one of two possibilities: Either Jason Aldean is intentionally racist and bigoted, OR he's ignorantly racist and bigoted.

In other words - he either knows what he is, and is making excuses and lying about it, or he's been so deeply indoctrinated that he sincerely has no idea just how bigoted he is.

Wow! That's an opinion. It's absolutely not one that I share but it is indicative of the times we live in today.

Aldean is a performer. He may write songs but he didn't write this one. He is likely not a video producer or an historian. He didn't choose the locations and likely had no idea what someone could dig up about it.

You call him racist for using BLM clips plus clips from clips from throughout the world. I wonder if you personally recognized the demonstrations and their locations or if you are parroting information from a website dedicated to denouncing this song and video. In any case, what *I* noticed was that the protesters whose race I could identify were predominantly white, not black or brown. Are you saying the video is racist against whites???

I believe you misspoke (miswrote?) when you wrote "There's nothing 'not racist' about him." From context it seems you meant that there is nothing anti-racist about him. Contrary to what some activists write, there is a very large expanse between "racist" and "anti-racist" that most of us live in.

To me, there is nothing at all racist about the song, the video, or the artist. There is historical significance to the courthouse and perhaps a different site should have been chosen. There is absolutely no reason to believe the site was chosen in spite of the significance.

Your conclusion is ridiculous, insulting, and may be libelous.

Battlebasset
07-25-2023, 10:04 AM
I don't listen or even pay attention to music or music videos I don't like. If you don't like this, don't watch/listen to it.

Amazed at people that just seem to look for things to be upset about.

manaboutown
07-25-2023, 10:26 AM
The lyrics nail it. Great song writers.

justjim
07-25-2023, 11:18 AM
Why is that? What does a Chicago gain by no cash bail, at all. Or portland with legalizing all drugs? Why do this?

I’m originally from Illinois so ask some friends about “no cash bail”. From what I learned, no bail does not cover every committed crime. For example, If you’re a danger to the public or a risk to run, you stay in jail. Not unusual for the media to not explain the details. As far as Portland, common sense tells me not all drugs are legal. Headlines are like a book cover. You heard it said many times “you can’t always tell a book by its cover”.

Boomer
07-25-2023, 11:23 AM
People who earn a living with words know the power of words and they know their target audience.

That’s a fact and it applies across the board. He knew what he was doing. And so do rappers.

Words matter.

Boomer




The words are fine................it's all the media, assumption, fake news that has created the issue and people jump on.

The Words as C&P:

Lyrics
Sucker punch somebody on a sidewalk
Carjack an old lady at a red light
Pull a gun on the owner of a liquor store
Ya think it's cool, well, act a fool if ya like
Cuss out a cop, spit in his face
Stomp on the flag and light it up
Yeah, ya think you're tough
Well, try that in a small town
See how far ya make it down the road
Around here, we take care of our own
You cross that line, it won't take long
For you to find out, I recommend you don't
Try that in a small town
Got a gun that my granddad gave me
They say one day they're gonna round up
Well, that **** might fly in the city, good luck
Try that in a small town
See how far ya make it down the road
Around here, we take care of our own
You cross that line, it won't take long
For you to find out, I recommend you don't
Try that in a small town
Full of good ol' boys, raised up right
If you're looking for a fight
Try that in a small town
Try that in a small town
Try that in a small town
See how far ya make it down the road
Around here, we take care of our own
You cross that line, it won't take long
For you to find out, I recommend you don't
Try that in a small town
Try that in a small town
Ooh-ooh
Try that in a small town


DING! DING! DING! We have a winner! (sort of) — It’s complicated.

Don’t faint, dew, I rather agree with you this time. It’s about context.

Had this song come out in the first part of this century, it would not have been on the radar.

Now, shall we take it line-by-line? Damn, I would love to do that, but I don’t have enough time.

Got time for a couple of things though.

Critical thinking skills matter.

The line, “Cuss out a cop, spit in his face” — He is right. That does not go with the territory of small towns. It should never happen anywhere in America. But this is why I cannot comprehend how so many people, who are good in so many ways, seem to have been brainwashed into excusing that horrific treatment of cops in DC on that day from hell. How can people accept that?

He sings about respect for the flag, too. It is important to respect the flag. But our flag was hijacked……The treatment of the flag on that day in DC was horrible to watch. The flag is to represent all Americans. But it was waved from poles to be weaponized against our own. The face of an individual had been plastered across the face of Old Glory to dangerously invite and welcome things we thought could never happen to our country.
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But in the context of just the song, without the “show” of just one side of extremism, I think those words would fit just fine.

The line, “Got a gun my granddad gave me” — In context, I see how that line works because I see ‘granddad’ as the operative word. Boys who are taught about guns and gun safety by responsible men (or women) do not turn out to be mass shooters. In many families, guns are a part of growing up. They are not forbidden. Those guns are understood, handled properly, and respected.

That line about the guns — “They say one day they’re gonna round up” — well, that “They say” part is real but who are”they”? That damned routine has been used for years by those who tap into paranoia to rile people up for reasons of power and money.

Nobody is gonna go door-to-door getting guns. Besides, very few of those handed-down guns are registered anyway. (Personally, I would like to see the weapons-of- war type guns banned from sale. Other than that, we need to just shut up about banning guns. It’s never going to happen and it just gives fuel to the fire that is consuming America.)

Speaking of shutting up, I always find it amusing when there are men who constantly have to brag and imply how dangerous they are because they are packing heat and want everybody to know about it. Geez. Just what is their problem, huh? Secure men who are good with guns do not blather on and on about them. I know this for a fact.

That “gonna round up” line though is in the context of the gun conversation that has been going on as long as I can remember. And I have a very long memory. Under today’s circumstances, it is certainly not the most helpful line, but in context, it fits.

Anyway, yeah, it was all the one-sided, ugly $#!+ in the video part that made this mess. Context matters. But……somebody in the loop had an agenda.

I never heard of this singer before, but if he wants to show that he cares about America, he would come out with a statement about how extremes on both sides are unAmerican, and lose the video, and keep on singing his song……… but I don’t see that happening.

Boomer the Moderate (an endangered species)

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Greatlawn
07-25-2023, 11:51 AM
Aldean didn’t write the song but he knew it would be a big hit and controversial. The two go hand in hand. Nostalgia sells, look at TV.

MrLonzo
07-25-2023, 12:33 PM
I watched this video yesterday, "Try That In A Small Town". It was moving but I didn't see anything wrong with this, other than the memory of 2020 riots. I was born and raised in rural town and that is so true that we always would help others.
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mraines
07-25-2023, 01:15 PM
The furor surrounding Jason Aldean's music video is just the latest example of selective outrage practiced by the Cancel Clowns. Where are the Clowns when rappers and hip hoppers "sing" about murdering police officers and degrading women? Talk about hypocrites. I give Aldean a lot of credit for having the stones to put his video out there, given the climate in the entertainment industry.

What exactly do you mean about "the climate in the entertainment industry"?

mraines
07-25-2023, 01:43 PM
(John Mellencamp got it right.)


Re. The current controversy?

If this guy with his new song wanted to use scenes of historic, vile, violent, deadly riots to make a point about those who want to divide and destroy America. . .looks to me like he left out the biggest one of all. Wonder why.

Boomer
Well, I just read the lyrics and it sound like typical redneck vigilante speak to me.

Cybersprings
07-25-2023, 01:46 PM
Well, I just read the lyrics and it sound like typical redneck vigilante speak to me.

I am curious why you feel comfortable using the perjorative redneck.

Bwanajim
07-25-2023, 01:47 PM
The hypocrisy of the singer is astounding and profound. A little background:

He performed in 2017 in Vegas. A series of shots were fired into the crowd from a single shooter at Mandalay Bay, killing 58 people and injuring over 200. That was the BIG "Vegas mass shooting" and yes he was the one performing on stage when it happened.

Did he, or anyone in his crew, take up their arms and shoot the killer? Nope. Not a one. What did Jason Aldean do then, you might ask? Glad you asked. He ran from his spot, ducked behind stage equipment, and ran off stage from there.

He wrote his current song knowing full well that it would divide people even further and knowing full well that he wouldn't do any such thing as take up arms against an enemy. He would run from the enemy. He already showed that's what he would do.

And frankly - he was right to run. Standing still and trying to shoot back would've been stupid, and potentially even more lethal than running.

But he would have everyone ELSE shoot back. That's what the problem is. It's false bravado intended to rile up someone's base.

That analogy is absurd. There was a sniper 20 or 30 floors off the ground. Nobody even knew where the hell he was!

Pugchief
07-25-2023, 02:23 PM
Aldean didn’t write the song but he knew it would be a big hit and controversial.

Dang, he must be really prescient. Since he can tell what will be a hit in advance, why would he record anything that wouldn't be? [/eye roll]

Maybe he was just making a point: That big cities have become somewhat unlivable, and perhaps if you want to get away from crime, wokeness, high taxes, bad policies, etc, maybe you should consider a less densely populated area.

JMintzer
07-25-2023, 02:24 PM
The musician who wrote and sang the song comes from a town that had/has a history of racism and violence toward minorities. You may have come from/ grew up in a nice small rural town with no history of racism and or violence toward minorities but that is not the case in many small southern towns.

So he must be a racist, right? Gimme' a break...

JMintzer
07-25-2023, 02:34 PM
I thought the writer(s) and the singer were different.

Don't confuse him with facts...

More facts...

Aldean grew up splitting his time between Macon, GA and the Miami FL suburb of Homestead (his parents divorced when he was 3...) Yes, Miami, that hotbed of racism in the 90's...

He was born in 1977, so he grew up in the 80's/90's... Long after the Civil Rights Movement changed things in "The South"...

And last I checked, there were (and still are) quite a few towns in the north known for their continued racism...

JMintzer
07-25-2023, 02:37 PM
Aumahd Arbery tried jogging in a small town and he was chased and murdered.

A tragedy, but irrelevant to the conversation...

JMintzer
07-25-2023, 02:39 PM
It's only bad if people of color sing or rap them. If a good ole white country boy sings it, it's patriotic.

The first rule of holes:

When in a hole... Stop Digging!

JMintzer
07-25-2023, 02:41 PM
Pot meet kettle? Do you not see that?

"Shirley" you jest...

JMintzer
07-25-2023, 02:46 PM
Thanks. Yeah I saw that after I posted. Point stands though, Aldean has the option of performing a song or not, and he chose to perform it. He chose to deliver the message. He isn't from a small town, he's from Macon, GA. Macon was considered the arsenal of the Confederacy during the Civil War. Now, Macon is mostly black, with over 30% of the population living in poverty. The city has a history of racism starting (obviously) with slavery pre-Civil War, and all the way up to this year (when a coach's bigoted rant went viral).

There's nothing "not racist" about him. Even the clips in the video (which he would have had to approve, even if he didn't create the video himself), he chooses "BLM" clips, clips of violence in Germany, Ukraine, and Canada, some of which are over a decade old. The background for Aldean himself in the video, is the Maury County Courthouse, which is where Henry Choate was lynched and 20 years later, was the location of a huge race riot.

His message - which is basically - "the people in my town will tear you apart if you do anything we don't like" - combined with the BLATANT racist tones of the video - is evidence of one of two possibilities: Either Jason Aldean is intentionally racist and bigoted, OR he's ignorantly racist and bigoted.

In other words - he either knows what he is, and is making excuses and lying about it, or he's been so deeply indoctrinated that he sincerely has no idea just how bigoted he is.

Yes, ONE football coach that no one knows defines an entire city...

The courthouse that has been used in multiple videos, tv shows and movies (I guess they're all racist as well), defines Aldean...

So the clips from Ukraine and Germany are racist, as well?

What about the Antifa clips? They're pretty much all privileged white kids... Are they racist?

And you call Aldean "indoctrinated"...

Unbelievable...

JMintzer
07-25-2023, 02:48 PM
Wow! That's an opinion. It's absolutely not one that I share but it is indicative of the times we live in today.

Aldean is a performer. He may write songs but he didn't write this one. He is likely not a video producer or an historian. He didn't choose the locations and likely had no idea what someone could dig up about it.

You call him racist for using BLM clips plus clips from clips from throughout the world. I wonder if you personally recognized the demonstrations and their locations or if you are parroting information from a website dedicated to denouncing this song and video. In any case, what *I* noticed was that the protesters whose race I could identify were predominantly white, not black or brown. Are you saying the video is racist against whites???

I believe you misspoke (miswrote?) when you wrote "There's nothing 'not racist' about him." From context it seems you meant that there is nothing anti-racist about him. Contrary to what some activists write, there is a very large expanse between "racist" and "anti-racist" that most of us live in.

To me, there is nothing at all racist about the song, the video, or the artist. There is historical significance to the courthouse and perhaps a different site should have been chosen. There is absolutely no reason to believe the site was chosen in spite of the significance.

Your conclusion is ridiculous, insulting, and may be libelous.

You said it better than I could have...

JMintzer
07-25-2023, 02:51 PM
DING! DING! DING! We have a winner! (sort of) — It’s complicated.

Don’t faint, dew, I rather agree with you this time. It’s about context.

Had this song come out in the first part of this century, it would not have been on the radar.

Now, shall we take it line-by-line? Damn, I would love to do that, but I don’t have enough time.

Got time for a couple of things though.

Critical thinking skills matter.

The line, “Cuss out a cop, spit in his face” — He is right. That does not go with the territory of small towns. It should never happen anywhere in America. But this is why I cannot comprehend how so many people, who are good in so many ways, seem to have been brainwashed into excusing that horrific treatment of cops in DC on that day from hell. How can people accept that?

He sings about respect for the flag, too. It is important to respect the flag. But our flag was hijacked……The treatment of the flag on that day in DC was horrible to watch. The flag is to represent all Americans. But it was waved from poles to be weaponized against our own. The face of an individual had been plastered across the face of Old Glory to dangerously invite and welcome things we thought could never happen to our country.
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But in the context of just the song, without the “show” of just one side of extremism, I think those words would fit just fine.

The line, “Got a gun my granddad gave me” — In context, I see how that line works because I see ‘granddad’ as the operative word. Boys who are taught about guns and gun safety by responsible men (or women) do not turn out to be mass shooters. In many families, guns are a part of growing up. They are not forbidden. Those guns are understood, handled properly, and respected.

That line about the guns — “They say one day they’re gonna round up” — well, that “They say” part is real but who are”they”? That damned routine has been used for years by those who tap into paranoia to rile people up for reasons of power and money.

Nobody is gonna go door-to-door getting guns. Besides, very few of those handed-down guns are registered anyway. (Personally, I would like to see the weapons-of- war type guns banned from sale. Other than that, we need to just shut up about banning guns. It’s never going to happen and it just gives fuel to the fire that is consuming America.)

Speaking of shutting up, I always find it amusing when there are men who constantly have to brag and imply how dangerous they are because they are packing heat and want everybody to know about it. Geez. Just what is their problem, huh? Secure men who are good with guns do not blather on and on about them. I know this for a fact.

That “gonna round up” line though is in the context of the gun conversation that has been going on as long as I can remember. And I have a very long memory. Under today’s circumstances, it is certainly not the most helpful line, but in context, it fits.

Anyway, yeah, it was all the one-sided, ugly $#!+ in the video part that made this mess. Context matters. But……somebody in the loop had an agenda.

I never heard of this singer before, but if he wants to show that he cares about America, he would come out with a statement about how extremes on both sides are unAmerican, and lose the video, and keep on singing his song……… but I don’t see that happening.

Boomer the Moderate (an endangered species)

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Only you could turn this into a 1/6 diatribe... Brilliant!

And calling yourself a "moderate" is adorable... :icon_wink:

JMintzer
07-25-2023, 02:59 PM
Aldean didn’t write the song but he knew it would be a big hit and controversial. The two go hand in hand. Nostalgia sells, look at TV.

He knew it would be a big hit? I'll bet he wishes he could predict that every time he picks a song to record...

BTW, the song was released over two months ago (guess what? It wasn't a "Big Hit")...

It wan't until CMT stopped playing it (over protests from one side of the aisle) did it become a "big hit"...

BTW, its the same people who complained about the other country artist covering Tracey Chapman's "Fast Car"... They called him racist and anti-gay for daring to sing a song written by a black lesbian...

She was happy with the cover and has earned $500K in royalties from his recording...

I guess Aerosmith should have been angry at RUN-DMC for doing a cover of "Walk this Way" years ago... Oh, wait, they decided to shoot a video with them and it re-energized their career...

JMintzer
07-25-2023, 03:00 PM
What exactly do you mean about "the climate in the entertainment industry"?

Do as we say or be cancelled...

Whitley
07-25-2023, 03:20 PM
"Shirley" you jest...

I do, and don't caLL ME SHIRLEY

oldtimes
07-25-2023, 04:02 PM
He knew it would be a big hit? I'll bet he wishes he could predict that every time he picks a song to record...

BTW, the song was released over two months ago (guess what? It wasn't a "Big Hit")...

It wan't until CMT stopped playing it (over protests from one side of the aisle) did it become a "big hit"...

BTW, its the same people who complained about the other country artist covering Tracey Chapman's "Fast Car"... They called him racist and anti-gay for daring to sing a song written by a black lesbian...

She was happy with the cover and has earned $500K in royalties from his recording...

I guess Aerosmith should have been angry at RUN-DMC for doing a cover of "Walk this Way" years ago... Oh, wait, they decided to shoot a video with them and it re-energized their career...

Gotta stop with the logic and common sense. TOTV is all about finding things to be offended about and virtue signalling

Get real
07-25-2023, 04:12 PM
Gotta stop with the logic and common sense. TOTV is all about finding things to be offended about and virtue signalling

I thought it was about the two or three posters on here that have internet access from the asylum.

dewilson58
07-25-2023, 04:24 PM
Gotta stop with the logic and common sense. TOTV is all about finding things to be offended about and virtue signalling

It's America.................very few being very noisy, trying to make everyone feel bad about being: White
Male
From the North
From the South
Straight
God fearing
Logical
What happened 100 years ago.
It's your fault
Take your pick.


In America..........there is very few, In The Villages............there are very few.

:wave:

Bogie Shooter
07-26-2023, 04:11 PM
That sounds bigoted to me... I guess you must hate rednecks...

You are beginning to flirt with another “vacation “.:wave::1rotfl:

Heartnsoul
07-26-2023, 05:42 PM
Agree. Great song. Will buy it

mickey100
07-27-2023, 05:28 AM
Thanks. Yeah I saw that after I posted. Point stands though, Aldean has the option of performing a song or not, and he chose to perform it. He chose to deliver the message. He isn't from a small town, he's from Macon, GA. Macon was considered the arsenal of the Confederacy during the Civil War. Now, Macon is mostly black, with over 30% of the population living in poverty. The city has a history of racism starting (obviously) with slavery pre-Civil War, and all the way up to this year (when a coach's bigoted rant went viral).

There's nothing "not racist" about him. Even the clips in the video (which he would have had to approve, even if he didn't create the video himself), he chooses "BLM" clips, clips of violence in Germany, Ukraine, and Canada, some of which are over a decade old. The background for Aldean himself in the video, is the Maury County Courthouse, which is where Henry Choate was lynched and 20 years later, was the location of a huge race riot.

His message - which is basically - "the people in my town will tear you apart if you do anything we don't like" - combined with the BLATANT racist tones of the video - is evidence of one of two possibilities: Either Jason Aldean is intentionally racist and bigoted, OR he's ignorantly racist and bigoted.

In other words - he either knows what he is, and is making excuses and lying about it, or he's been so deeply indoctrinated that he sincerely has no idea just how bigoted he is.

I agree. I think a lot of people just don't see how racist and bigoted they are. Mind boggling, really. At the very least this video puts me off because of the confrontational tone. Our country is divided enough. We don't need more of this divisiveness.

Cybersprings
07-27-2023, 08:21 AM
I agree. I think a lot of people just don't see how racist and bigoted they are. Mind boggling, really. At the very least this video puts me off because of the confrontational tone. Our country is divided enough. We don't need more of this divisiveness.


I agree. Most people don’t realize how bigoted they are. Mainly the people who call other people bigots because they disagree with them on the issues….which of course creates divisiveness.

Pugchief
07-27-2023, 05:26 PM
I agree. I think a lot of people just don't see how racist and bigoted they are. Mind boggling, really. At the very least this video puts me off because of the confrontational tone. Our country is divided enough. We don't need more of this divisiveness.

I agree. Most people don’t realize how bigoted they are. Mainly the people who call other people bigots because they disagree with them on the issues….which of course creates divisiveness.

That is patently false. The United States is arguably the least racist country on the planet by any number of measures, despite what the media and disingenuous politicians tell us.

shaw8700@outlook.com
07-27-2023, 10:43 PM
If they want a racist country they should go to India, where it’s acceptable for a member of one caste to kill a member of another. I honestly think they’re not trying to rid our society of racism, they’re perpetuating it!

patfla06
08-14-2023, 10:33 PM
I don’t see anything wrong with it.

Topspinmo
08-15-2023, 06:36 AM
The hypocrisy of the singer is astounding and profound. A little background:

He performed in 2017 in Vegas. A series of shots were fired into the crowd from a single shooter at Mandalay Bay, killing 58 people and injuring over 200. That was the BIG "Vegas mass shooting" and yes he was the one performing on stage when it happened.

Did he, or anyone in his crew, take up their arms and shoot the killer? Nope. Not a one. What did Jason Aldean do then, you might ask? Glad you asked. He ran from his spot, ducked behind stage equipment, and ran off stage from there.

He wrote his current song knowing full well that it would divide people even further and knowing full well that he wouldn't do any such thing as take up arms against an enemy. He would run from the enemy. He already showed that's what he would do.

And frankly - he was right to run. Standing still and trying to shoot back would've been stupid, and potentially even more lethal than running.

But he would have everyone ELSE shoot back. That's what the problem is. It's false bravado intended to rile up someone's base.

And what would you have done? Same thing.

Topspinmo
08-15-2023, 06:47 AM
It’s just song 🎶, people have the right to listen to it or just pass on by. I bet ABC wish the view would just kept their mouth shut. O by the what happen to view?

Whitley
08-15-2023, 12:41 PM
It’s just song 🎶, people have the right to listen to it or just pass on by. I bet ABC wish the view would just kept their mouth shut. O by the what happen to view?
There are rumors that they are being cancelled, but I doubt there is anything to them. Probably on vacation or wrapped another season/