Americas Friendliest hometown…i believe it!

[Gpsma]

Villager kills another Villager…never hapens in Americas fFriendliest place


Except i read the other forbidden other online news source.

Not a word here about a 75 year old punching n 85 year old in the jaw at Glenview CC becuse he thought he hit his lexus.

Poor 85 yer old is dead from a brain bleed.

You wont find these stories in the Sun. No one talks about the violence here.

Lets all drink the kool aid

[margaretmattson]

Villager kills another Villager…never hapens in Americas fFriendliest place


Except i read the other forbidden other online news source.

Not a word here about a 75 year old punching n 85 year old in the jaw at Glenview CC becuse he thought he hit his lexus.

Poor 85 yer old is dead from a brain bleed.

You wont find these stories in the Sun. No one talks about the violence here.

Lets all drink the kool aid Been here for many years. The Kool-aid drank around here comes in a bottle titled self-entitlement. The arguments I've seen over parking spaces, golf balls, chairs in the squares, exercise equipment, etc. are so common that when I read this I was numb to the details. And, nowadays, I can't seem to have a restaurant meal without some table arguing. Usually the mine is better than yours scenario. Who cares what you own? Welcome to the Villages!

[manaboutown]

Lock him up!

[Gpsma]

Ill accept the arguments, the sniping and the anger.

I find it astonishing that retired people here resort to violence

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Ill accept the arguments, the sniping and the anger.

I find it astonishing that retired people here resort to violence

I find it more astonishing that you (or anyone else) would be astonished. This is a community of 150,000 transplants from other places, most of whom had never met each other before moving in. Of course there will be criminals, violent people, drunks, drug addicts, unwed mothers, uneducated people, bigots, racists, sex offenders, antisemites.

There are more good people than there are bad, in my opinion. But no one should be astonished to learn that the bad exist.

[margaretmattson]

I find it more astonishing that you (or anyone else) would be astonished. This is a community of 150,000 transplants from other places, most of whom had never met each other before moving in. Of course there will be criminals, violent people, drunks, drug addicts, unwed mothers, uneducated people, bigots, racists, sex offenders, antisemites.

There are more good people than there are bad, in my opinion. But no one should be astonished to learn that the bad exist. Right! Why some people think this is the land of sunshine, lollipops, and rainbows amazes me too! It's like they never were around grumpy/hostile elderly people before moving here.
News Flash! No one is checking anyone's background information before letting them purchase a home. I think some of those overly cheerful YouTubers who try to sell "the Villages is perfect" scenario along with the well-trained Villages sales staff are to blame. Where have you ever been that is "perfect"?

[I'm Popeye!]

For some reason, and the first time to be exact, I agree with the OrangeBlossomLady.
I'm getting soft...:shocked:

[BrianL99]

For some reason, and the first time to be exact, I agree with the OrangeBlossomLady.
I'm getting soft...:shocked:

OMG, I'm going back to read that post ... it could be a FIRST for most all of us!

(Is it OrangeBlossomLady or OrangeBlossomBaby? Are they one and the same? Yeah, must be ... there couldn't possibly be 2 people going down those tracks.)

[I'm Popeye!]

OMG, I'm going back to read that post ... it could be a FIRST for most all of us!

(Is it OrangeBlossomLady or OrangeBlossomBaby? Are they one and the same? Yeah, must be ... there couldn't possibly be 2 people going down those tracks.)

OrangeBlossomLady put us in the "Good People" category... :highfive:

[rustyp]

Hole in one !

[Bogie Shooter]

Not a crime wave more like an unfortunate incident.
Now that I have read about it, not sure what I am supposed to do.

[margaretmattson]

Not a crime wave more like an unfortunate incident.
Now that I have read about it, not sure what I am supposed to do.
Unfortunate incident? You are being too kind. The man thought his Lexus was hit. It was not! When you choose to love/worship your material objects more than people you need to have your head checked. Unfortunately, his family members and friends probably enabled his behavior. He should have been told (and often) a car is just a car. It doesn't bring prestige or the like. It takes money out of your pocket and insurance premiums to pay. Nothing more! If it gets damaged, you get it fixed. It's only an object.

Truth is millions of people own a Lexus. He is not "that special". Anyone can go to a store and buy one if they want to. I feel sorry for the families. Both lost a loved one. One to unnecessary violence the other because a man loved his Lexus. Sad!

[coralway]

Villager kills another Villager…never hapens in Americas fFriendliest place


Except i read the other forbidden other online news source.

Not a word here about a 75 year old punching n 85 year old in the jaw at Glenview CC becuse he thought he hit his lexus.

Poor 85 yer old is dead from a brain bleed.

You wont find these stories in the Sun. No one talks about the violence here.

Lets all drink the kool aid




Living is easy with eyes closed

[wisbad1]

Villager kills another Villager…never hapens in Americas fFriendliest place


Except i read the other forbidden other online news source.

Not a word here about a 75 year old punching n 85 year old in the jaw at Glenview CC becuse he thought he hit his lexus.

Poor 85 yer old is dead from a brain bleed.

You wont find these stories in the Sun. No one talks about the violence here.

Lets all drink the kool aid

That’s why they have to give it away for free for 6 months.

[wisbad1]

Lock him up!

He’ll get anger management and probation

[star20166@yahoo.com]

As this country and our culture degrades further you will see real violence enter our lives as have nots, criminals and illegal migrants come looking for some from the haves. We can't escape the politically induced crime wave that is eating the country alive forever. Two old timers engaged in mutual combat is not the kind of violence that endangers this community.

[JoelJohnson]

Since we moved here (in 2015) I know of 2 murder suicides, one near Rio Ponderosa, near where we live.

[djplong]

I may not agree with the predominant politics around here but I do believe in the truth (especially when backed up with reliable statistics).

1) The Villages, crime wise, is WAY safer than the national average on all kinds of crime.

2) There are always bad apples in every barrel.

3) Ask any public-facing employee (anything from a clerk to a fast food cashier) who the most troublesome, most entitled, hardest to please people and they'll tell you that it's OUR generation (I'm 60). Too many of us were raised spoiled by The Greatest Generation (because they didn't want us reliving their horrors) and, while that's an easy accusation to make, it DOES tend to come true too often. Most of us aren't like that - but ask them who stands out in their minds and it's usually some entitled old person.

So I have no trouble in believing that there are a lot of low-level spats going on. Heck, seeing the arguments in the nursing home I worked at as a teenager right up to the one my mom was in starting last year - the evidence is there.

[thevillagernie]

Villager kills another Villager…never hapens in Americas fFriendliest place


Except i read the other forbidden other online news source.

Not a word here about a 75 year old punching n 85 year old in the jaw at Glenview CC becuse he thought he hit his lexus.

Poor 85 yer old is dead from a brain bleed.

You wont find these stories in the Sun. No one talks about the violence here.

Lets all drink the kool aid

it happens everywere,look around...."don't let the old man in "

[La lamy]

"Grumpy old..." syndrome is a real thing. Like everything else that gets depleted as we age, serotonin (the feel good hormone) gets depleted too. Combined with chronic pain, lack of sleep, loss of spouse, it can get harder and harder to maintain a level, happy head space. It's easy to judge angry older people, but I like to imagine why they are that way. I'm sure it's hard living for them. I'll try my best not to cause unnecessary grump fest!

[Skunky1]

The link to the other source please

[Blackbird45]

Not all but some people when they reach a certain age do not play well with others.
And this does happen everywhere, and it's not just confined to men.

[GizmoWhiskers]

Not all but some people when they reach a certain age do not play well with others.
And this does happen everywhere, and it's not just confined to men.
Why do you think Xanex if free for old folks?

Perhaps "soylent green" is actually not a bad fate for angry old peeps.

After all, T V has (or maybe its been quashed) a large medical research facility planned near Middleton. What better group to test on than over 55's. Pick your "vacation" theme and enjoy the journey lol.

[Annie66]

Not all but some people when they reach a certain age do not play well with others.
And this does happen everywhere, and it's not just confined to men.

Grumpy folks never learned to play well with others in the kindergarten sandbox.

[NoMo50]

Villager kills another Villager…never hapens in Americas fFriendliest place


Except i read the other forbidden other online news source.

Not a word here about a 75 year old punching n 85 year old in the jaw at Glenview CC becuse he thought he hit his lexus.

Poor 85 yer old is dead from a brain bleed.

You wont find these stories in the Sun. No one talks about the violence here.

Lets all drink the kool aid

So, the truth is, you know how to get your "other" news here in TV. The incident mentioned, while tragic, is not surprising. Further, it is certainly not common.

The fact the story did not appear in the Sun is also not surprising. The publisher of the Sun is free (free press) to print or not print that story. The "other" paper relishes in offering up stories about anything negative about TV, especially crime. Most of the crime stories they run wouldn't even get a passing glance in a newspaper in (pick any big city). Every newspaper has editorial/publisher bias.

The incident does not change my perception of safety in The Villages one little bit. Of all the places I have lived, TV is, by far, the safest and most crime free.

[NoMo50]

He’ll get anger management and probation

I doubt it. Best case scenario, if it went down the way it was reported, is he gets convicted of involuntary manslaughter. He'll do time.

[bowlingal]

It wasn't even his car that was hit!! Sad, sad situation all the way around

[wamley]

It's unrealistic to believe that within a group of people of more than 120,00 people that everything would be a wonderland of no disagreements, drunks and an all encompassing attitude of all is just perfect. Doesn't exist, but this is still a wonderful place to spend the last years of your life. It's not for everyone, but it is for a multitude of us.

[Ele201]

I find it more astonishing that you (or anyone else) would be astonished. This is a community of 150,000 transplants from other places, most of whom had never met each other before moving in. Of course there will be criminals, violent people, drunks, drug addicts, unwed mothers, uneducated people, bigots, racists, sex offenders, antisemites.

There are more good people than there are bad, in my opinion. But no one should be astonished to learn that the bad exist.
You’re right, criminals buy homes and move, as well as go on vacation. Agree with your list of problematic people, except wouldn’t include “unwed mothers” or “uneducated people.” Nothing wrong with single mothers and not everyone has a college degree, no shame in either!

[Bogie Shooter]

Unfortunate incident? You are being too kind. The man thought his Lexus was hit. It was not! When you choose to love/worship your material objects more than people you need to have your head checked. Unfortunately, his family members and friends probably enabled his behavior. He should have been told (and often) a car is just a car. It doesn't bring prestige or the like. It takes money out of your pocket and insurance premiums to pay. Nothing more! If it gets damaged, you get it fixed. It's only an object.

Truth is millions of people own a Lexus. He is not "that special". Anyone can go to a store and buy one if they want to. I feel sorry for the families. Both lost a loved one. One to unnecessary violence the other because a man loved his Lexus. Sad!

After all of that…….I still don’t give a damn that I didn’t read about it in the Sun.

[rsmurano]

TV isn’t perfect but pretty damn close compared to any other town. Talk to the police and they will tell you it’s pretty safe. The last cop I talked to he said the major issue is drunk golf cart drivers followed by domestic violence. How many drive by shootings have occurred in TV? How many meth labs have been raided inside TV?
As for somebody destroying your personal property, on purpose or by accident, no owner should just walk away. The offender should agree to fix the damage or suffer retaliation which could be being sued.

[ThirdOfFive]

So...what WERE the expectations when moving here? That the folks moving here were going to leave their baggage behind? That all of a sudden irascible old people were going to turn into kindly old grandmotherly and grandfatherly types? That rocking chairs, card games in the lanai and doily-knitting were going to predominate?

It doesn't work that way. People are who they were before moving here, and that is pretty much a cross-section of America. More money, maybe, but that's not necessarily a positive when discussing personality types. But there is another factor that wasn't seen, at least to this extent and in this concentration, before people moved here, and that is summed up in the saying "as people age, they become more like themselves". So as age advances the philanthropist is apt to want to contribute even more. The quick-to-anger types are apt to develop a hair trigger. The life-of-the-party type is apt to become even more outgoing. The lounge-lizard types are apt to become even more of a pain. The loner is apt to become even more withdrawn. And so on. And unfortunately, the bullies among us may give in to their urges even more so than before.

The reason is simple. As people age, mental processes deteriorate, and as they deteriorate we gradually lose control of our emotions and how we act upon them. Bottom line: the real person that we've kept hidden more or less successfully all our lives is progressively more apt to start showing through, and not always with good results. Not all of us, or even most of us, and not necessarily in a bad way. But it DOES happen, and when you couple that with things like booze, a rocky home life, chronic pain, as well as other factors--well, sometimes the result is going to be like happened in the case being discussed here. Put simply, people have less emotional control, at times with unfortunate and even deadly results.

Post #17 mentions two murder-suicides here since 2015 (in a town that at this time has a population of 150,000, more or less). I come from a town of 25,000 and I can recall more such incidents there in roughly the same time-period--plus other crimes, against persons and property, that rarely if ever happen here. I carried a pistol there virtually every time I went out the door. Here? Not even once--though I did get my permit upon moving here. Just haven't felt the need, and this latest incident didn't change that. The Villages is by far the safest place I've lived since leaving home at age 18.

If there is one gripe I have about TV (maybe Florida in general--I'm not familiar with other settings) it is the lack of services designed to assist people with the emotional problems attendant upon advancing age. They just don't seem to exist, at least not to the extent that they're obviously needed. Maybe to develop and advertise them would go against the "healthy active senior lifestyle" thing, but to NOT develop them, and then have to deal with stuff like this, is to my mind far worse.

[midiwiz]

TV isn’t perfect but pretty damn close compared to any other town. Talk to the police and they will tell you it’s pretty safe. The last cop I talked to he said the major issue is drunk golf cart drivers followed by domestic violence. How many drive by shootings have occurred in TV? How many meth labs have been raided inside TV?
As for somebody destroying your personal property, on purpose or by accident, no owner should just walk away. The offender should agree to fix the damage or suffer retaliation which could be being sued.

Define perfect. The police do practically nothing as a whole in at least 2 of the 3 counties. They're more concerned with policing things that don't need to be policed rather than what they should be doing.

I won't disagree with the drunk golf cart, lord knows this is the largest collection of irresponsible I've ever seen. Meth is on the coasts of the state most predominately around here they'd blow up the house LOL.

Oh yes lets make the lawyers more money. How about "IF" this person had done damage... since the OP stated this guy jumped off the handle when in fact he was wrong.

Kool-aid or not (and there is a S***load of it around here), all I hear is how wonderful this and that is, the reality is it's engineered into the fabric. TV restaurant reviews... seriously? I don't think restaurant reviews by overly PC people with declining tastebuds is of any benefit, but it does feed the entitled being's ego. I don't think enough people look at the reality of the way things are set up.

oh before I forget, please the handful of you entitled people don't forget to tell me "if you don't like it then leave" because that is so laughable it cracks me up every time. (The message from the ''hidden" entitled people)

[djplong]

As this country and our culture degrades further you will see real violence enter our lives as have nots, criminals and illegal migrants come looking for some from the haves. We can't escape the politically induced crime wave that is eating the country alive forever. Two old timers engaged in mutual combat is not the kind of violence that endangers this community.

It would be nice if the statistics backed up your opinion. However, FBI stats show that illegal immigrants commit crimes at a lower rate than American-born citizens. There's a lot out there that goes counter to what people "believe" - like how you're more likely to die of a gunshot wound in Ohio (16.5 killed per 100,000) than New York City (5.5 per 100,000). Oh - and the Ohio number is ONLY gun murders - the New York City numbers are ALL murders (i.e. including stabbings, beatings, etc).

[Tobys Dad]

Been here for many years. The Kool-aid drank around here comes in a bottle titled self-entitlement. The arguments I've seen over parking spaces, golf balls, chairs in the squares, exercise equipment, etc. are so common that when I read this I was numb to the details. And, nowadays, I can't seem to have a restaurant meal without some table arguing. Usually the mine is better than yours scenario. Who cares what you own? Welcome to the Villages!

We have been here over 20 years. I have never witnessed an argument, fight or anything even close to a fight. Only arguments have been with umpires at softball. We are a "city" of nearly 150,000. Stuff happens. Crime and incident issues extremely low compared to the rest of America .

[I'm Popeye!]

Lexus, another Toyota with a slanted "L" option..

[bitsnkiblz]

I doubt it. Best case scenario, if it went down the way it was reported, is he gets convicted of involuntary manslaughter. He'll do time.

Just remember, he’s currently out on bond.

[golfing eagles]

Define perfect. The police do practically nothing as a whole in at least 2 of the 3 counties. They're more concerned with policing things that don't need to be policed rather than what they should be doing. ...........


Just one question:

What is it that "doesn't need to be policed" and what "should they be doing"?
Who decides???? You????Me????

Ideal policing is to show up at the scene of a crime 30 seconds before it occurs, which is only possible in the movie "Minority Report"

Meanwhile, there are those, even on this site, that want the police to spend their time writing thousands of tickets for going 40 in a 35 zone or 21 mph in a golf cart. Oh, the horror, the horror. Should those people be deciding what the police "should be doing"? Or should they just hide under their beds?

The other extreme is anarchy, a la California and some of our larger cities.

Perhaps we should allow the professional law enforcement senior management to decide what policing activities to focus upon.

[JGibson]

The OP should immediately call their realtor and put their house on the market and get out of this very dangerous crime filled area. Do you need help packing? Geez.

[Marmaduke]

I may not agree with the predominant politics around here but I do believe in the truth (especially when backed up with reliable statistics).

1) The Villages, crime wise, is WAY safer than the national average on all kinds of crime.

2) There are always bad apples in every barrel.

3) Ask any public-facing employee (anything from a clerk to a fast food cashier) who the most troublesome, most entitled, hardest to please people and they'll tell you that it's OUR generation (I'm 60). Too many of us were raised spoiled by The Greatest Generation (because they didn't want us reliving their horrors) and, while that's an easy accusation to make, it DOES tend to come true too often. Most of us aren't like that - but ask them who stands out in their minds and it's usually some entitled old person.

So I have no trouble in believing that there are a lot of low-level spats going on. Heck, seeing the arguments in the nursing home I worked at as a teenager right up to the one my mom was in starting last year - the evidence is there.
I don't believe it's entitled "Olde People" only.
We know that personality is set by age 30.
An individuals disposition at 30 is the same at 60, 70, 80...
Think about that for a minute. Older adults get a bad rap all of the time.

If and when folks spend a lot of time outside of their cohort, they see this to be very evident.

Sadly, the case in point would be the now deceased "gentleman" who did the "proper thing" and offered to exchange insurance info with the man who was a raging maniacal drunk, who thought he hit his treasured lexus. He wanted to fight.

The fighter, by the way didn't step up and admit anything, until the police came knocking on his door, due to ANOTHER Good Samaritan, our age, who helped the police I.D. the bad guy.

One man was a gentleman, who tried unsuccessfully to defend himself.

One man was not a gentleman, but rather a drunken, violent man who had his priorities askew and caused the DEATH of a gentleman, while his wife was witness.
There's a great poem titled,
"Children live what they learn."
Look it up.
My Mum and Dad were of the Greatest Generation and do not deserve to be disrespected, with such a generalized broad brush.

[Ele201]

So...what WERE the expectations when moving here? That the folks moving here were going to leave their baggage behind? That all of a sudden irascible old people were going to turn into kindly old grandmotherly and grandfatherly types? That rocking chairs, card games in the lanai and doily-knitting were going to predominate?

It doesn't work that way. People are who they were before moving here, and that is pretty much a cross-section of America. More money, maybe, but that's not necessarily a positive when discussing personality types. But there is another factor that wasn't seen, at least to this extent and in this concentration, before people moved here, and that is summed up in the saying "as people age, they become more like themselves". So as age advances the philanthropist is apt to want to contribute even more. The quick-to-anger types are apt to develop a hair trigger. The life-of-the-party type is apt to become even more outgoing. The lounge-lizard types are apt to become even more of a pain. The loner is apt to become even more withdrawn. And so on. And unfortunately, the bullies among us may give in to their urges even more so than before.

The reason is simple. As people age, mental processes deteriorate, and as they deteriorate we gradually lose control of our emotions and how we act upon them. Bottom line: the real person that we've kept hidden more or less successfully all our lives is progressively more apt to start showing through, and not always with good results. Not all of us, or even most of us, and not necessarily in a bad way. But it DOES happen, and when you couple that with things like booze, a rocky home life, chronic pain, as well as other factors--well, sometimes the result is going to be like happened in the case being discussed here. Put simply, people have less emotional control, at times with unfortunate and even deadly results.

Post #17 mentions two murder-suicides here since 2015 (in a town that at this time has a population of 150,000, more or less). I come from a town of 25,000 and I can recall more such incidents there in roughly the same time-period--plus other crimes, against persons and property, that rarely if ever happen here. I carried a pistol there virtually every time I went out the door. Here? Not even once--though I did get my permit upon moving here. Just haven't felt the need, and this latest incident didn't change that. The Villages is by far the safest place I've lived since leaving home at age 18.

If there is one gripe I have about TV (maybe Florida in general--I'm not familiar with other settings) it is the lack of services designed to assist people with the emotional problems attendant upon advancing age. They just don't seem to exist, at least not to the extent that they're obviously needed. Maybe to develop and advertise them would go against the "healthy active senior lifestyle" thing, but to NOT develop them, and then have to deal with stuff like this, is to my mind far worse.
I usually don’t read longer posts, but I read yours and found it interesting and thought provoking. You’re right that people become more of who they truly are, as they age. In addition, I’m wondering what role dementia plays in bad behavior at TV. With people here in their later years of life, there has to be some dementia.

I’ve also read about more car crashes and golf cart crashes recently. Some of this is because people in their 80s and 90s with health issues are driving — and they shouldn’t. A woman 91 years old was recently sent to jail because she left the scene where her car crashed into two bicyclists, one of whom was severely injured.

[Mikee1]

Not Sure HALAL is going to help by making it all permissible?

Halal

Wikipedia
Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (https://en.wikipedia.org) › wiki › Halal
halal from en.wikipedia.org
Halal is an Arabic word that translates to 'permissible' in English. In the Quran, the term halal is contrasted with the term haram ('forbidden').


Villager kills another Villager…never hapens in Americas fFriendliest place


Except i read the other forbidden other online news source.

Not a word here about a 75 year old punching n 85 year old in the jaw at Glenview CC becuse he thought he hit his lexus.

Poor 85 yer old is dead from a brain bleed.

You wont find these stories in the Sun. No one talks about the violence here.

Lets all drink the kool aid

[Burnie]

We have been here over 20 years. I have never witnessed an argument, fight or anything even close to a fight. Only arguments have been with umpires at softball. We are a "city" of nearly 150,000. Stuff happens. Crime and incident issues extremely low compared to the rest of America .

Same here.

[deborahcme]

If you look at the online masthead of The Villages News, you'll see a tab labeled "Crime." There is no "Crime" tab for the Daily Sun. It doesn't take long to figure out that the Daily Sun is just that--your shot of daily sunshine with a liberal side dish of real-estate ads. The paper does not claim to be anything else. So, here's the thing. If this were a period any time before the Internet, this sunshiny narrow focus would be concerning. But we aren't limited to just one source for news. A quick glance at the newsstand in any Publix displays other print sources if the Internet is not your thing. Finally, all publications and media appear to have a lean or a slant. I guess I'd suggest to anyone who is unhappy with the Daily Sun's lack of harder hitting news to let them know about it.

[GATORBILL66]

Villager kills another Villager…never hapens in Americas fFriendliest place


Except i read the other forbidden other online news source.

Not a word here about a 75 year old punching n 85 year old in the jaw at Glenview CC becuse he thought he hit his lexus.

Poor 85 yer old is dead from a brain bleed.

You wont find these stories in the Sun. No one talks about the violence here.

Lets all drink the kool aid

I don't understand how the 75 year old is out on bond. He should never see the light of day again!

[Steve]

Been here for many years. The Kool-aid drank around here comes in a bottle titled self-entitlement. The arguments I've seen over parking spaces, golf balls, chairs in the squares, exercise equipment, etc. are so common that when I read this I was numb to the details. And, nowadays, I can't seem to have a restaurant meal without some table arguing. Usually the mine is better than yours scenario. Who cares what you own? Welcome to the Villages!

Your "golf ball" comment struck me thanks to a situation a few years ago. I was playing in one of the local Villages tournaments and on the practice green two guys were almost coming to blows over a golf ball. Each guy said it was his. It got to the point where I walked over, reached into my pocket and gave each guy a Titleist, said "It's only a golf ball", picked up the ball in question and walked away. That ended the dispute.

[GATORBILL66]

OrangeBlossomLady put us in the "Good People" category... :highfive:

It was in the Village News.

[Jerry F2]

Villager kills another Villager…never hapens in Americas fFriendliest place


Except i read the other forbidden other online news source.

Not a word here about a 75 year old punching n 85 year old in the jaw at Glenview CC becuse he thought he hit his lexus.

Poor 85 yer old is dead from a brain bleed.

You wont find these stories in the Sun. No one talks about the violence here.

Lets all drink the kool aid

Start watching SKIP SMITH's weekly "The Villages News Reports" on Utube.
You will get updates on "incidents" in The Villages...it is a must see.

[Bogie Shooter]

Your "golf ball" comment struck me thanks to a situation a few years ago. I was playing in one of the local Villages tournaments and on the practice green two guys were almost coming to blows over a golf ball. Each guy said it was his. It got to the point where I walked over, reached into my pocket and gave each guy a Titleist, said "It's only a golf ball", picked up the ball in question and walked away. That ended the dispute.

Great story.

[Taltarzac725]

Check the crime statistics between where you came from and the Villages?

Probably will be a very sharp contrast. Former places I have lived:

I have heard that Reno, NV has a big crime problem as do parts of Minneapolis, MN; the Santa Rosa, CA area; Scottsdale, AZ; Denver, CO; Itasca, IL; Palm Harbor FL; Menomonee Falls, WI, and other places.

Probably not Provo, Utah but then who knows?

I feel very safe most of the time in the Villages, FL.

Bad drivers is my biggest worry.

[golfing eagles]

I don't understand how the 75 year old is out on bond. He should never see the light of day again!

Probably not a flight risk---the bond is just an attempt to guarantee appearance in court. While you (and others, maybe even myself) have already convicted him and sentenced him to life imprisonment, he is innocent until proven guilty and gets to have his day in court. Also, mens rea is probably attached, and also since he was reported as drunk, the DA may only go for what he can prove---involuntary manslaughter.

[airstreamingypsy]

I doubt it. Best case scenario, if it went down the way it was reported, is he gets convicted of involuntary manslaughter. He'll do time.

I hope he does time, that whole story is appalling. Remember the young guy who beat a guy to death in Spanish Springs..... he didn't do time, he got six months probation.

[Boomer]

Just found and read the two parts to the story in villageshyphennews.com. (If you don’t know the site, decipher that. TOTV does not allow it to be linked or shown here.)

Looks like he hit his victim (who had done nothing) and then had to be tracked down through camera footage.

According to **************.com, Moore, when arrested, was quoted as saying about his victim that he “was older and appeared to be frail but (he) did not think he was 87 years old.” …….

What a despicable thing to say — and sure looks to me like before throwing his killer punch, he had calculated that he would not be taking any risk for his own safety.

One innocent man killed and many other lives ruined because of this 75 year old man who was so stoked up by stupid, uncontrollable anger.

Boomer

I see the track of this thread is turning to indignation that this horror sullies the reputation of TV. That is not the issue in this. This issue is an out of control 75 year old has killed an innocent man. That could happen anywhere in this country now so full of anger.

[golfing eagles]

.......
I see the track of this thread is turning to indignation that this horror sullies the reputation of TV. That is not the issue in this. This issue is an out of control 75 year old has killed an innocent man. That could happen anywhere in this country now so full of anger.

I'll go one step further-----it happens MORE often anywhere else in the country.

[Gpsma]

Not Sure HALAL is going to help by making it all permissible?

Halal

Wikipedia
Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (https://en.wikipedia.org) › wiki › Halal
halal from en.wikipedia.org
Halal is an Arabic word that translates to 'permissible' in English. In the Quran, the term halal is contrasted with the term haram ('forbidden').

Dont think you get my tag line. Do a search here on halal and u will find an old post of mine…it will explain the tag line…..which has nothing to do with this topic

[Shelly]

You’re right, criminals buy homes and move, as well as go on vacation. Agree with your list of problematic people, except wouldn’t include “unwed mothers” or “uneducated people.” Nothing wrong with single mothers and not everyone has a college degree, no shame in either!

Agree. With the divorce rate being at 50% or higher there are millions of single mothers and single fathers and not sure why "unwed mothers" is even mentioned in reply to an article about a man killing another man in a fit of rage over a car. Also agree that having or not having a college degree (I have one but my husband does not) does not affect one's integrity.

[Djean1981]

You are stereotyping almost 150k people. With any large group, there will be people of all types. People don't change because they move here or elsewhere.. Hopefully, the killer will be jailed forever.

[mntlblok]

So...what WERE the expectations when moving here? That the folks moving here were going to leave their baggage behind? That all of a sudden irascible old people were going to turn into kindly old grandmotherly and grandfatherly types? That rocking chairs, card games in the lanai and doily-knitting were going to predominate?

It doesn't work that way. People are who they were before moving here, and that is pretty much a cross-section of America. More money, maybe, but that's not necessarily a positive when discussing personality types. But there is another factor that wasn't seen, at least to this extent and in this concentration, before people moved here, and that is summed up in the saying "as people age, they become more like themselves". So as age advances the philanthropist is apt to want to contribute even more. The quick-to-anger types are apt to develop a hair trigger. The life-of-the-party type is apt to become even more outgoing. The lounge-lizard types are apt to become even more of a pain. The loner is apt to become even more withdrawn. And so on. And unfortunately, the bullies among us may give in to their urges even more so than before.

The reason is simple. As people age, mental processes deteriorate, and as they deteriorate we gradually lose control of our emotions and how we act upon them. Bottom line: the real person that we've kept hidden more or less successfully all our lives is progressively more apt to start showing through, and not always with good results. Not all of us, or even most of us, and not necessarily in a bad way. But it DOES happen, and when you couple that with things like booze, a rocky home life, chronic pain, as well as other factors--well, sometimes the result is going to be like happened in the case being discussed here. Put simply, people have less emotional control, at times with unfortunate and even deadly results.

Post #17 mentions two murder-suicides here since 2015 (in a town that at this time has a population of 150,000, more or less). I come from a town of 25,000 and I can recall more such incidents there in roughly the same time-period--plus other crimes, against persons and property, that rarely if ever happen here. I carried a pistol there virtually every time I went out the door. Here? Not even once--though I did get my permit upon moving here. Just haven't felt the need, and this latest incident didn't change that. The Villages is by far the safest place I've lived since leaving home at age 18.

If there is one gripe I have about TV (maybe Florida in general--I'm not familiar with other settings) it is the lack of services designed to assist people with the emotional problems attendant upon advancing age. They just don't seem to exist, at least not to the extent that they're obviously needed. Maybe to develop and advertise them would go against the "healthy active senior lifestyle" thing, but to NOT develop them, and then have to deal with stuff like this, is to my mind far worse.
"as people age, they become more like themselves"

Tried a little googling to learn more about that. The name Bernice L. Neugarten kept popping up and the year 1977, but the actual article doesn't seem to be particularly "accessible". Even looks like she might have been quoting it from another. Any insights? TIA

[Whitley]

Right! Why some people think this is the land of sunshine, lollipops, and rainbows amazes me too! It's like they never were around grumpy/hostile elderly people before moving here.
News Flash! No one is checking anyone's background information before letting them purchase a home. I think some of those overly cheerful YouTubers who try to sell "the Villages is perfect" scenario along with the well-trained Villages sales staff are to blame. Where have you ever been that is "perfect"?

I would prefer to be neighbors with someone who can not understand how people our age and should know better, can resort to violence. I am astonished myself. Because we are astonished at peoples behaviour does not mean we are naive.

[ThirdOfFive]

"as people age, they become more like themselves"

Tried a little googling to learn more about that. The name Bernice L. Neugarten kept popping up and the year 1977, but the actual article doesn't seem to be particularly "accessible". Even looks like she might have been quoting it from another. Any insights? TIA
Not so much on the originator of the concept. It was often referenced by a Ph.D. psychologist who our agency used at times as a consultant and for client assessments.

[Whitley]

"Grumpy old..." syndrome is a real thing. Like everything else that gets depleted as we age, serotonin (the feel good hormone) gets depleted too. Combined with chronic pain, lack of sleep, loss of spouse, it can get harder and harder to maintain a level, happy head space. It's easy to judge angry older people, but I like to imagine why they are that way. I'm sure it's hard living for them. I'll try my best not to cause unnecessary grump fest!

They give me a pill for everything else, isn't there one for serotonin?

[ThirdOfFive]

Probably not a flight risk---the bond is just an attempt to guarantee appearance in court. While you (and others, maybe even myself) have already convicted him and sentenced him to life imprisonment, he is innocent until proven guilty and gets to have his day in court. Also, mens rea is probably attached, and also since he was reported as drunk, the DA may only go for what he can prove---involuntary manslaughter.
Good points. At this point we know more or less just what a news source wants us to know, and as a rule (in my experience anyway), such reporting tends more to arouse ire than to satisfy one's curiosity about what really happened.

[Indydealmaker]

I find it more astonishing that you (or anyone else) would be astonished. This is a community of 150,000 transplants from other places, most of whom had never met each other before moving in. Of course there will be criminals, violent people, drunks, drug addicts, unwed mothers, uneducated people, bigots, racists, sex offenders, antisemites.

There are more good people than there are bad, in my opinion. But no one should be astonished to learn that the bad exist.

Maybe "Critical Thinking" is the first thing to go.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

You’re right, criminals buy homes and move, as well as go on vacation. Agree with your list of problematic people, except wouldn’t include “unwed mothers” or “uneducated people.” Nothing wrong with single mothers and not everyone has a college degree, no shame in either!

Yeah I thought of that, but those are two demographics that "some people" complain about as offensive to their "family values."

I'm a good example of why it doesn't matter: I'm educated. College degree, multiple certifications in a myriad of subjects from bartending to aromatherapy to computer coding. What did I do with all my education? I mostly did retail, customer service and cashiering. Most of it was non-management. Remember, narrow-minded folks: the person you're criticizing for being stupid at the check-out counter, because they needed to check with their manager to approve an unusual return - might be more educated than you are. They WILL laugh at you after you've left the store.

[rpalumberi]

I find it more astonishing that you (or anyone else) would be astonished. This is a community of 150,000 transplants from other places, most of whom had never met each other before moving in. Of course there will be criminals, violent people, drunks, drug addicts, unwed mothers, uneducated people, bigots, racists, sex offenders, antisemites.

There are more good people than there are bad, in my opinion. But no one should be astonished to learn that the bad exist.

We agree, especially the part about "150,000 transplants from other places". We're sorry to hear that things got out of control and someone was hurt and died. Not that it helps so much but condolences to the family.

[BAT777]

The more it grows here the worst it is getting-doctors, hospitals, no parking at the squares, traffic, and I could go on and on! This is all about how much more money can be made and I find this to be sad. As much as we enjoy the warmer weather in just 6 years of living here we are rethinking our move.

I can't even find an experienced cardiologist for my pet! We have to travel to Gainesville. We use to live in a town with over 150,00 and we had 4 veterinarians that were experienced in echos and medicine needed for heart disease..
Prayers for the elderly man that recently died at Glenview from the fall :{

[LuvNH]

Earlier I had ignored this thread because I figured it was just another "kool aid" post. When I read it I was really quite horrified to think that the aggressor had punched the older man several times before realizing it was not even his car the older man had hit and then just walked away, not even offering help. One can assume the aggressor had been drinking which would not help the situation, but he needs to do time.

I believe the relatives of the deceased person could take a civil suit and put this guy away for a good long time.

This is information in Florida law. "Punishment for Battery on an Elderly Person

This is a first-degree felony that is punishable up to 30 years in prison and a $10,000 fine. There is a mandatory 3 year prison term. The judge will order that restitution will be paid and the defendant must do 500 hours of community service." So who knows, maybe he will pay dearly for his stupidity.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

The more it grows here the worst it is getting-doctors, hospitals, no parking at the squares, traffic, and I could go on and on! This is all about how much more money can be made and I find this to be sad. As much as we enjoy the warmer weather in just 6 years of living here we are rethinking our move.

I can't even find an experienced cardiologist for my pet! We have to travel to Gainesville. We use to live in a town with over 150,00 and we had 4 veterinarians that were experienced in echos and medicine needed for heart disease..
Prayers for the elderly man that recently died at Glenview from the fall :{

You didn't look very hard if you couldn't find an experienced cardiologist for your pet or a vet that has echocardiogram services. I just did a google search. VCA at Buffalo Ridge, right here in The Villages, offers cardiology and echo services.

There's also Central Florida Veterinary Cardiology in Eustis. That's much closer than Gainesville.

[margaretmattson]

We have been here over 20 years. I have never witnessed an argument, fight or anything even close to a fight. Only arguments have been with umpires at softball. We are a "city" of nearly 150,000. Stuff happens. Crime and incident issues extremely low compared to the rest of America .
I am looking to move. What part of the villages do you live in? I live near a square and things around here are not as peaceful as your area sounds. I am looking for a quieter place

[dougawhite]

Some people think this is the land of sunshine, lollipops, and rainbows

Oh, I thought it was Unicorns, Butterflies, and Rainbows! My bad...

[cjrjck]

Villager kills another Villager…never hapens in Americas fFriendliest place


Except i read the other forbidden other online news source.

Not a word here about a 75 year old punching n 85 year old in the jaw at Glenview CC becuse he thought he hit his lexus.

Poor 85 yer old is dead from a brain bleed.

You wont find these stories in the Sun. No one talks about the violence here.

Lets all drink the kool aid

There are about 140,000 people living in TV, give or take, during peak residency. It is by far the least violent place I have lived, but it is not immune from violence.

[Pugchief]

I believe the relatives of the deceased person could take a civil suit and put this guy away for a good long time.

This is information in Florida law. "Punishment for Battery on an Elderly Person

This is a first-degree felony that is punishable up to 30 years in prison and a $10,000 fine. There is a mandatory 3 year prison term. The judge will order that restitution will be paid and the defendant must do 500 hours of community service." So who knows, maybe he will pay dearly for his stupidity.

I hope there are former lawyers on here that can corroborate, but I believe a civil suit can only result in a cash settlement, not jail time which would require conviction in a criminal case. Refer to the OJ Simpson trials for a similar situation.

As far as what will or will not result in prison, it seems that these days there is underenforcement of existing laws and underpenalization of convicted offenders. YMMV

[shut the front door]

So, the truth is, you know how to get your "other" news here in TV. The incident mentioned, while tragic, is not surprising. Further, it is certainly not common.

The fact the story did not appear in the Sun is also not surprising. The publisher of the Sun is free (free press) to print or not print that story. The "other" paper relishes in offering up stories about anything negative about TV, especially crime. Most of the crime stories they run wouldn't even get a passing glance in a newspaper in (pick any big city). Every newspaper has editorial/publisher bias.

The incident does not change my perception of safety in The Villages one little bit. Of all the places I have lived, TV is, by far, the safest and most crime free.

Very true. Everyone knows that the Daily Sunshine Pumper is not going to publish bad things. But on the other hand, the owner of the other site is a disgruntled former employee of the Daily Sunshine Pumper and is obviously hellbent on making the villages look bad. So, you have both extremes feeding you news.
Sadly, most of the sensationalistic crimes headlined on the other site aren't even in The Villages.

[broiler]

I may not agree with the predominant politics around here but I do believe in the truth (especially when backed up with reliable statistics).

1) The Villages, crime wise, is WAY safer than the national average on all kinds of crime.

2) There are always bad apples in every barrel.

3) Ask any public-facing employee (anything from a clerk to a fast food cashier) who the most troublesome, most entitled, hardest to please people and they'll tell you that it's OUR generation (I'm 60). Too many of us were raised spoiled by The Greatest Generation (because they didn't want us reliving their horrors) and, while that's an easy accusation to make, it DOES tend to come true too often. Most of us aren't like that - but ask them who stands out in their minds and it's usually some entitled old person.

So I have no trouble in believing that there are a lot of low-level spats going on. Heck, seeing the arguments in the nursing home I worked at as a teenager right up to the one my mom was in starting last year - the evidence is there.

I agree with you completely but would like to share another view of your point #3.. yes, many in my generation may have been spoiled. But, most of the people I know were raised by very hard-working parents who instilled a strong work ethic in their children. Unfortunately, that same work ethic is missing from the younger, more spoiled generation.

I would also like to offer that some of the residents in TV are dealing with the frustrations of the health and mental issues that come with the "new normal" of aging. Frustration is often displayed as anger.

Don't get me wrong, I don't agree with verbal or physical abuse. ..but, I would ask that we all be a bit more hesitant to use the word "entitled" until you have walked a mile in someone's shoes.

[margaretmattson]

I just finished reading another article about this situation. The man who hit the car got out and was offering his insurance card. Instead of accepting, the other man threw several punches at his face. He only stopped when he realized the car hit was not his. Then he drives away leaving the injured man who shows signs of collapsing. The police had to track down the man who delivered the punches, then was able to arrest him. The man's excuse? The gentleman he murdered didn't look like an 87 year old man. He is out on a $30,000 bond.

I showed the article to my family. A good reminder to them that objects are not worth fighting over. They can easily be fixed or replaced. Worship, rage, and a feeling of prestige with "precious objects" is a real thing! Objects can and never will bring you anything but the bill you have to pay for them. Perhaps this was the reason for his rage. He bought something he couldn't afford.

[edtherock]

When you find a city in the USA that has a few hundred thousand people living there and a few hundred thousand outside influencers that has no violence, let us all know. Been looking for perfectionism a long time.

[Gettingoutofdodge]

Villager kills another Villager…never hapens in Americas fFriendliest place


Except i read the other forbidden other online news source.

Not a word here about a 75 year old punching n 85 year old in the jaw at Glenview CC becuse he thought he hit his lexus.

Poor 85 yer old is dead from a brain bleed.

You wont find these stories in the Sun. No one talks about the violence here.

Lets all drink the kool aid

I doubt if you even live here.

I do not minimize the sadness and horror of such violence. But it’s not a COMMONPLACE reality of life in the VILLAGES.

145, 000 give or take people do live here. I have lived in The Villages for almost 2 years and have never witnessed or been part of a crime. The Villages is the size of Manhattan! I feel safe. A few exceptions, but all in all, the Kool aid feels pretty good.

If you have so much negative to say, live somewhere else.

[Tobys Dad]

We are on 3rd house. Not close to any square by choice. Villages of Woodbury, Pennecamp and finally Sanibel. Quiet area beautiful cul de sac.

[margaretmattson]

I doubt if you even live here.

I do not minimize the sadness and horror of such violence. But it’s not a COMMONPLACE reality of life in the VILLAGES.

145, 000 give or take people do live here. I have lived in The Villages for almost 2 years and have never witnessed or been part of a crime. The Villages is the size of Manhattan! I feel safe. A few exceptions, but all in all, the Kool aid feels pretty good.

If you have so much negative to say, live somewhere else. What part of the Villages do you live in? Asking, because I am looking to sell my CYV and move to a quieter neighborhood. Whether you believe it or not, arguing, rudeness, fighting, and loud mouths is prevalent where I live. And, I have seen my fair share of crime. I live by one of the squares. Once darkness hits, it's game on around here!

[margaretmattson]

We are on 3rd house. Not close to any square by choice. Villages of Woodbury, Pennecamp and finally Sanibel. Quiet area beautiful cul de sac.

When I bought close to a square I was expecting the noise and traffic. I liked the convenience. Should have realized the squares bring party-mode people. And, with that, lots of trouble. My fault! Never going to live near a square again. Cul de sac is a good idea. Thanks.

[Flyers999]

So sad. Prayers for the victim, condolences to the family. As far as the defendant, none of us know all the details but I think the fact that he ran from the scene, doesn't bode well.

[skyking]

For some reason, and the first time to be exact, I agree with the OrangeBlossomLady.
I'm getting soft...:shocked:

It's Orange Blossom, "Baby". Try to keep up.

[I'm Popeye!]

It's Orange Blossom, "Baby". Try to keep up.

Maybe for you, but not my "baby", I already have Swee'Pea.. :D

[patfla06]

Not all but some people when they reach a certain age do not play well with others.
And this does happen everywhere, and it's not just confined to men.

For this man to punch another over a car accident, I have to believe he has been a bully his entire life.

[PersonOfInterest]

Yeah I thought of that, but those are two demographics that "some people" complain about as offensive to their "family values."

I'm a good example of why it doesn't matter: I'm educated. College degree, multiple certifications in a myriad of subjects from bartending to aromatherapy to computer coding. What did I do with all my education? I mostly did retail, customer service and cashiering. Most of it was non-management. Remember, narrow-minded folks: the person you're criticizing for being stupid at the check-out counter, because they needed to check with their manager to approve an unusual return - might be more educated than you are. They WILL laugh at you after you've left the store.

Education does not guarantee Intelligence.

[RedWingNut]

The man charged is assumed to be innocent until proven guilty that’s our legal system. If the day comes he is found guilty I hope he is punished to the fullest extent of the law, he destroyed the life of an innocent victim and his family due to his irresponsible actions

[La lamy]

They give me a pill for everything else, isn't there one for serotonin?

There sure is, but not everyone thinks about that option I guess.

[jimbomaybe]

Education does not guarantee Intelligence.
hard to keep track of how many times that has that been demonstrated here

[wawriwwawriw]

You don’t now who lives next to yow. They may tell you that they work/volunteered for the Peace Corp or or retired from the law enforcement or military, when in fact, before moving here he/she was just released fron an State or Federal penitentiary for a violent crime. Add to this, we are getting old, and we don’t know their mental health. Anywhere that you have people, you are going to find violence, fact of life. The Villages is not exempt from the reality of living within humans.

[thevillager1988]

This story is a tragedy. Two families destroyed. Sounds like it could be another example of how too much alcohol could cause people to do something disastrous.

It's confusing to me why we use these tragedies to criticize TV and the Daily Sun. Florida's friendliest home town is a marketing tag line, not a force field. And there are many news sources available. In both cases (living in TV, and selecting a news source) you have choices. Do your research. Inform yourself. And choose for yourself. And don't worry about and criticize the choices other people make.

The situation that started this thread is a tragedy. Prayers for those involved.

[midiwiz]

Just one question:

What is it that "doesn't need to be policed" and what "should they be doing"?
Who decides???? You????Me????

Ideal policing is to show up at the scene of a crime 30 seconds before it occurs, which is only possible in the movie "Minority Report"

Meanwhile, there are those, even on this site, that want the police to spend their time writing thousands of tickets for going 40 in a 35 zone or 21 mph in a golf cart. Oh, the horror, the horror. Should those people be deciding what the police "should be doing"? Or should they just hide under their beds?

The other extreme is anarchy, a la California and some of our larger cities.

Perhaps we should allow the professional law enforcement senior management to decide what policing activities to focus upon.

99% of all police departments only focus on the sin side of life, as in hookers and massage parlors. Big deal... provides nothing for the community at all. I'm sure you've hear "that's nice they busted her, what about the crack deal that was going down 20 feet from them?"

[ThirdOfFive]

Education does not guarantee Intelligence.
...Nor wisdom.

Back in the day, I funded part of my college expenses selling Kirby vacuum cleaners. Best prospects of all were those couples living near campus pursuing post-graduate degrees. They may have known a lot about their chosen field of study but as a rule precious little about money. Easily convinced to by something that was obviously beyond their means.

[Cheapbas]

I find it more astonishing that you (or anyone else) would be astonished. This is a community of 150,000 transplants from other places, most of whom had never met each other before moving in. Of course there will be criminals, violent people, drunks, drug addicts, unwed mothers, uneducated people, bigots, racists, sex offenders, antisemites.

There are more good people than there are bad, in my opinion. But no one should be astonished to learn that the bad exist.

So, “unwed mothers” belongs in the same group as criminals, sex offenders and racists. Wow!

[Gunny2403]

And the reason for this post is….., what!

[Bogie Shooter]

And the reason for this post is….., what!

Which post?

[ronda]

We say it is America's Freindliest Hometown, but that doesn't mean there are no unfriendly people in TV. You are engaging in typical media tactic. Take one example of something and try to lead people to believe that this is the norm or rampant.

There is no place on earth were 100% of the people are friendly. In my experience in TV the overwhelming majority of people are extremely friendly, law abiding and considereate of their neighbors. There is no place I'd rather Live.



Villager kills another Villager…never hapens in Americas fFriendliest place


Except i read the other forbidden other online news source.

Not a word here about a 75 year old punching n 85 year old in the jaw at Glenview CC becuse he thought he hit his lexus.

Poor 85 yer old is dead from a brain bleed.

You wont find these stories in the Sun. No one talks about the violence here.

Lets all drink the kool aid

[Beyond The Wall]

Last time I checked ,,,,, no one is forced to stay if you are unhappy. Kool aide? Who is running the place Jim Jones?

[RCMill531@comcast.net]

I read about it yesterday in The Village News.

[Keefelane66]

Villager to rely on public defender in alleged manslaughter of 87-year-old. According to latest article.

[LuvNH]

Villager to rely on public defender in alleged manslaughter of 87-year-old. According to latest article.

Well good luck with that. He needs an attorney who specializes in elder abuse.

[GATORBILL66]

What I don't understand, why is this nut out on bail walking the streets among us? Does anyone know what village he lives in?

[Bill14564]

What I don't understand, why is this nut out on bail walking the streets among us? Does anyone know what village he lives in?

Yes, I am sure someone does know what village he lives in. You would know what village he lived in if you had read any of the three articles about the incident.

Why would he NOT be out on bail? Is there a risk he won't appear in court?

[shut the front door]

99% of all police departments only focus on the sin side of life, as in hookers and massage parlors. Big deal... provides nothing for the community at all. I'm sure you've hear "that's nice they busted her, what about the crack deal that was going down 20 feet from them?"

That has to be the absolute dumbest made up statistic that I've ever read.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

So, “unwed mothers” belongs in the same group as criminals, sex offenders and racists. Wow!

Yes. With the group name being: "people who are either villains or vilified by other groups of people, people who some members of society think "not in MY neighborhood."

Sort of like a guy who was charged, sentence, and did time for sex with his 15-year-old girlfriend, when he was 19 years old himself, and is now 50 and hasn't ever committed any other crime but is now forced to register as a pedophile sex offender for the rest of his life.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

What part of the Villages do you live in? Asking, because I am looking to sell my CYV and move to a quieter neighborhood. Whether you believe it or not, arguing, rudeness, fighting, and loud mouths is prevalent where I live. And, I have seen my fair share of crime. I live by one of the squares. Once darkness hits, it's game on around here!

Move up to the Historic Section, to the left of the Boone Gate, past the golf cart gate on Paradise. Kiley Court has a couple of nice site-built homes for sale, the streets off Magnolia usually have great properties available as well. It's fairly quiet. We had one prowler who we never caught and never showed up again, who never stole from or harassed anyone. Probably just someone with dementia who got lost and found their way home again. One neighbor with a nasty adult kid living with her (she alternately referred to him as her son, her nephew, and her friend's son). The kid's gone, problems solved. And one house that was abandoned by the management company that owned it. The house has been sold, so hopefully the lawn will get mowed this week, for the first time in almost three months.

[Nevinator]

"Two old timers engaged in mutual combat is not the kind of violence that endangers this community."

Mutual combat implies that both of these gentlemen were willing participants in the altercation. I didn't get that impression from the article that I read.

[Whitley]

99% of all police departments only focus on the sin side of life, as in hookers and massage parlors. Big deal... provides nothing for the community at all. I'm sure you've hear "that's nice they busted her, what about the crack deal that was going down 20 feet from them?"

Wouldn't drug use also be on the "sin side"? Crime can be like a chain. Arrest a hooker and it can go back to child sex traffic. When you do not deal with Quality of life issues ala Portland, well you see what happens.

[Gpsma]

And our fellow Villager who is now charged with a serious deadly crime…owns a lexus and a home here is using the public defender.

[margaretmattson]

What I don't understand, why is this nut out on bail walking the streets among us? Does anyone know what village he lives in?I believe the article said Polo Ridge

[ThirdOfFive]

And our fellow Villager who is now charged with a serious deadly crime…owns a lexus and a home here is using the public defender.
I understand that the article stated he APPLIED for Public Defender services. Has to be approved by the judge, as far as I know, before it is a done deal.

[Cybersprings]

99% of all police departments only focus on the sin side of life, as in hookers and massage parlors. Big deal... provides nothing for the community at all. I'm sure you've hear "that's nice they busted her, what about the crack deal that was going down 20 feet from them?"

99.9% of posts that include statistics are completely made up.

[Blueblaze]

So far, none of my neighbors have been shot in their front yard over a meth deal gone bad, as happened three doors down in the affluent suburb of Houston where I moved from. Not many meth addicts or dealers survive to 55 in this world, so at least we've got that going for us!

The Villages is by far the friendliest place I've ever lived.

My theory is that it's tough to achieve the age and affluence necessary to retire to Florida without learning a minimal level of courtesy along the way. One moron punching out a guy over a fender bender is not enough to convince me otherwise.

Just remember that if you'd like to live in a friendly hometown, you're gonna have to be friendly yourself.

[KAM+6]

And our fellow Villager who is now charged with a serious deadly crime…owns a lexus and a home here is using the public defender.
Article said he is collecting unemployment from Massachusetts. According to sumterpa, he has a homestead and other declaration. Paying only $700 real estate tax.
How can he collect unemployment from one state while being a resident in another?

[LuvNH]

Article said he is collecting unemployment from Massachusetts. According to sumterpa, he has a homestead and other declaration. Paying only $700 real estate tax.
How can he collect unemployment from one state while being a resident in another?

He has obviously found a way to work the system.

[margaretmattson]

Article said he is collecting unemployment from Massachusetts. According to sumterpa, he has a homestead and other declaration. Paying only $700 real estate tax.
How can he collect unemployment from one state while being a resident in another?. He cant have both, homestead here and unemployment in Massachusetts. Strange, also. The man is 75. Can you receive unemployment at 75? That is what social security is for.

Who knows? He could just be renting the home or living with someone else. I learned a long time ago, beware of people who flaunt expensive things. Sometimes, it is just a way to show off. Doesn't represent anything they can actually afford. They just wanna be seen as something they are not.

[KAM+6]

. He cant have both, homestead here and unemployment in Massachusetts. Strange, also. The man is 75. Can you receive unemployment at 75? That is what social security is for.

Who knows? He could just be renting the home or living with someone else. I learned a long time ago, beware of people who flaunt expensive things. Sometimes, it is just a way to show off. Doesn't represent anything they can actually afford. They just wanna be seen as something they are not.

According to sumterpa, he is the sole owner of the property. I hope he looses everything and ends up in jail.

[LuvNH]

According to sumterpa, he is the sole owner of the property. I hope he looses everything and ends up in jail.

This is a bit of a stretch, but, if he is homesteading he must be a Florida resident, so if he really is drawing unemployment from Massachusetts he could be in trouble in both States.

[margaretmattson]

According to sumterpa, he is the sole owner of the property. I hope he looses everything and ends up in jail. I just laugh at his defense "But, the man didn't look 87 yrs old!" So, you can punch and murder someone younger?

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Article said he is collecting unemployment from Massachusetts. According to sumterpa, he has a homestead and other declaration. Paying only $700 real estate tax.
How can he collect unemployment from one state while being a resident in another?

He can't. It also says he's retired. It is illegal to collect unemployment if you aren't actively seeking full-time work in the state you're collecting it from. If you do it anyway, it's called fraud, and you can face criminal charges and penalties for it. They actually TELL you this every single week that you file for the next week's check.

[Blackbird45]

Maybe we're looking at this the wrong way, there is an opportunity for TV to make money.
Once a week you have cage matches in the town squares. It will be a new form of entertainment and these old timers can relieve their built-up anger. I'd pay a couple of bucks to watch this.

[Sully]

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[gbs317]

Villager kills another Villager…never hapens in Americas fFriendliest place


Except i read the other forbidden other online news source.

Not a word here about a 75 year old punching n 85 year old in the jaw at Glenview CC becuse he thought he hit his lexus.

Poor 85 yer old is dead from a brain bleed.

You wont find these stories in the Sun. No one talks about the violence here.

Lets all drink the kool aid

Safest Places to Live and Retire in Florida (Updated Yearly) (https://www.floridaforboomers.com/safest-places-florida/)

[LuvNH]

In a document on file in Sumter County Court, the Massachusetts retiree indicated he will rely on the public defender’s office to represent him. Applying for the help of the public defender, requires the defendant to disclose financial data. Moore indicated on his form that he receives $1,900 in monthly Social Security benefits and $2,000 per month in unemployment compensation. He also receives $1,000 in monthly retirement/pension benefits. The form he completed also indicates he has $5,000 in liabilities.

Can someone please explain how a person receiving 2 other sources of income, one being SS, age 75, receives unemployment compensation?

Someone mentioned the unemployment is being received from out of state, not sure where that info came from? If correct, this all seems very suspect.

With regards to the victim who was trying to enjoy his retirement. To have survived 87 long years, just to meet your fate in a parking lot at the hands of a 6' 2" 220 lb Scut Farkus (Christmas Story movie) is beyond disturbing. It's downright disgusting!

Given the way this all went down, hard to imagine this would be the first sign of violence in this man's past.

https://i.redd.it/jrpgi7sx1l021.jpg


Agree.

[LuvNH]

In a document on file in Sumter County Court, the Massachusetts retiree indicated he will rely on the public defender’s office to represent him. Applying for the help of the public defender, requires the defendant to disclose financial data. Moore indicated on his form that he receives $1,900 in monthly Social Security benefits and $2,000 per month in unemployment compensation. He also receives $1,000 in monthly retirement/pension benefits. The form he completed also indicates he has $5,000 in liabilities.

Can someone please explain how a person receiving 2 other sources of income, one being SS, age 75, receives unemployment compensation?

Someone mentioned the unemployment is being received from out of state, not sure where that info came from? If correct, this all seems very suspect.

With regards to the victim who was trying to enjoy his retirement. To have survived 87 long years, just to meet your fate in a parking lot at the hands of a 6' 2" 220 lb Scut Farkus (Christmas Story movie) is beyond disturbing. It's downright disgusting!

Given the way this all went down, hard to imagine this would be the first sign of violence in this man's past.

https://i.redd.it/jrpgi7sx1l021.jpg


Agree. I hope his wife has an excellent attorney.

[Eg_cruz]

Beyond sad
This hate in America needs to end
Prayers to his wife, my heart breaks for her. I can’t imagine watching a 6’ bully hitting your husband. I hope she is able to help put him in jail for the rest of his life.

[jimkerr]

What’s sick is that he’s out on bail.

[Bay Kid]

What’s sick is that he’s out on bail.

His life as he knew it is over. As it should be.

[margaretmattson]

Maybe we're looking at this the wrong way, there is an opportunity for TV to make money.
Once a week you have cage matches in the town squares. It will be a new form of entertainment and these old timers can relieve their built-up anger. I'd pay a couple of bucks to watch this.There are caged fights for men like the puncher. It's called prison. Maybe this is what developer had in mind when he built so close to Coleman. He can add on a drive thru and just drop the nut cases off.

[jminnis]

We were at Glenview that night. Our car was hemmed in by the police cars. Yikes!

[Keefelane66]

In a document on file in Sumter County Court, the Massachusetts retiree indicated he will rely on the public defender’s office to represent him. Applying for the help of the public defender, requires the defendant to disclose financial data. Moore indicated on his form that he receives $1,900 in monthly Social Security benefits and $2,000 per month in unemployment compensation. He also receives $1,000 in monthly retirement/pension benefits. The form he completed also indicates he has $5,000 in liabilities.

Can someone please explain how a person receiving 2 other sources of income, one being SS, age 75, receives unemployment compensation?

Someone mentioned the unemployment is being received from out of state, not sure where that info came from? If correct, this all seems very suspect.

With regards to the victim who was trying to enjoy his retirement. To have survived 87 long years, just to meet your fate in a parking lot at the hands of a 6' 2" 220 lb Scut Farkus is beyond disturbing. It's downright disgusting!

Given the way this all went down, hard to imagine this would be the first sign of violence in this man's past.

https://i.redd.it/jrpgi7sx1l021.jpg

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Massachusetts UI info
“ If you are eligible to receive UI benefits, you will receive a weekly benefit amount of approximately 50% of your average weekly wage, up to the maximum set by law. As of October 2, 2022, the maximum weekly benefit amount is $1015 per week”.
Max unemployment Florida
“ This number is your weekly benefit amount. The minimum weekly benefit amount is $32 and the maximum weekly benefit amount is $275”.

[ThirdOfFive]

Beyond sad
This hate in America needs to end
Prayers to his wife, my heart breaks for her. I can’t imagine watching a 6’ bully hitting your husband. I hope she is able to help put him in jail for the rest of his life.
Not trying to be a wet blanket here--but Mr. Moore is not guilty of anything, until a court of law says he is. Until that happens, if it does, he enjoys the same rights as any of the rest of us.

The information I've read has aroused the same ire in me that it apparently does in just about everything else, and I admit to giving in to this emotion numerous times, here and in other places. But we need to remind ourselves that what we know so far, at least insofar as I know (maybe there are other, less partisan sources) comes from an online newspaper that is notorious for wasting no opportunity to cast The Villages in general, and Villagers in particular, in as bad a light as it can. They have a stake in controversy, and history has shown that they'll promote this controversy as hard and as often as they can.

There is a reason that criminal cases aren't tried in the Court of Public Opinion. Had this one been, it seems obvious that Mr. Moore would have paid the ultimate price mere hours after the story hit the aforementioned online newspaper. But we're not vigilantes, after all.

[Steve]

Villager kills another Villager…never hapens in Americas fFriendliest place


Except i read the other forbidden other online news source.

Not a word here about a 75 year old punching n 85 year old in the jaw at Glenview CC becuse he thought he hit his lexus.

Poor 85 yer old is dead from a brain bleed.

You wont find these stories in the Sun. No one talks about the violence here.

Lets all drink the kool aid

The story finally made The Daily Sun today--35 days after the fact.

[margaretmattson]

Not trying to be a wet blanket here--but Mr. Moore is not guilty of anything, until a court of law says he is. Until that happens, if it does, he enjoys the same rights as any of the rest of us.

The information I've read has aroused the same ire in me that it apparently does in just about everything else, and I admit to giving in to this emotion numerous times, here and in other places. But we need to remind ourselves that what we know so far, at least insofar as I know (maybe there are other, less partisan sources) comes from an online newspaper that is notorious for wasting no opportunity to cast The Villages in general, and Villagers in particular, in as bad a light as it can. They have a stake in controversy, and history has shown that they'll promote this controversy as hard and as often as they can.

There is a reason that criminal cases aren't tried in the Court of Public Opinion. Had this one been, it seems obvious that Mr. Moore would have paid the ultimate price mere hours after the story hit the aforementioned online newspaper. But we're not vigilantes, after all.I do not think you read all the articles. The puncher left the scene and the man dying. The news was then reported by the Villages asking if anyone knew identification of the puncher. Through this, the police were able to track him down and arrest him.

[ThirdOfFive]

I do not think you read all the articles. The puncher left the scene and the man dying. The news was then reported by the Villages asking if anyone knew identification of the puncher. Through this, the police were able to track him down and arrest him.
I read it. The point is still the same. Innocent until PROVEN guilty in a court of law.

[margaretmattson]

I read it. The point is still the same. Innocent until PROVEN guilty in a court of law. Understand that. But you made it seem that one paper was trying to scathe the villages. Not true! And not the only paper to cover the story.

[Sully]

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[gwelmen]

Cannot believe the low bail he got!. And returning to hit the man again in the head seems more like murder to me. What a low life!

[Sully]

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[Bill14564]

Cannot believe the low bail he got!. And returning to hit the man again in the head seems more like murder to me. What a low life!

$30,000 is low???

Did the Daily Sun (DS) article say something different from the three articles on the news site that shall not be named? Those articles said nothing about returning to hit the man, they mentioned multiple blows and then walking away. I don't trust the accuracy of either so if it would be good to know if it was presented differently in the DS.

The three articles also mention that the victim was taken to the hospital after he began stumbling and slurring his words which implies that he was not initially stumbling or slurring words. To me, this means the attacker could not have known how much he had actually injured the individual.

The attack should not have happened, no question. The attacker should be prosecuted, no question. But, we should pay attention to the facts that are presented and be careful not to embellish them.

[New Englander]

I read the story about the 85 yr old man being pummeled by the guy because the guy thought a minor fender bender involved his car. It wasn't even HIS car.

This older man died from this beating. I pray the courts give this big bully a long time in prison to think about what he did.

[Sully]

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[Sully]

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[I'm Popeye!]

His life as he knew it is over. As it should be.

:police: His life will be taken care of as an 80-year-old inmate while being kept in prison, I'm sure. :police:
Maybe he'll get a picture from someone every day of his "Home" here in the Villages and a picture of his pride and joy "Lexus" as a goodwill jester...

[davefin]

Story made todays (8/2) paper. Arrested and released on $20,000 bail.

[Sully]

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[Sully]

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[Ecuadog]

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Also, worth noting. TVN indicated the address of 777 Barbados Pl. That appears to be an unfortunate mistake for the person at 777 Barbados as the accused resides at 772 Barbados Pl The Villages, FL 32162 according to files with the Sumter County Clerk. See below.

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Fortunately, I believe there is no 777 Barbados Pl.

[I'm Popeye!]

Are you referring to the photo on record with the Sumter County Property Appraiser?

shown here... (https://qpublic.schneidercorp.com/Application.aspx?AppID=1207&LayerID=36374&PageTypeID=4&PageID=13872&Q=1704833193&KeyValue=D09A164)

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Yep... :thumbup:

[dhdallas]

Villager kills another Villager…never hapens in Americas fFriendliest place


Except i read the other forbidden other online news source.

Not a word here about a 75 year old punching n 85 year old in the jaw at Glenview CC becuse he thought he hit his lexus.

Poor 85 yer old is dead from a brain bleed.

You wont find these stories in the Sun. No one talks about the violence here.

Lets all drink the kool aid

The SUN is nothing more than a propaganda tool for the developer. The people who write all that happy drivel are not journalists but are copywriters.

[midiwiz]

That has to be the absolute dumbest made up statistic that I've ever read.

then you aren't paying attention

[margaretmattson]

The SUN is nothing more than a propaganda tool for the developer. The people who write all that happy drivel are not journalists but are copywriters.Wouldnt you feel safer if your city newspaper reported crimes? You would know which areas to avoid or to be careful. And you would know what time most of the crimes happen and to be cautious. You can also be on the lookout and report any suspicious activity. Seems a disfavor to residents not to report crime. Lots of covering-up in "Florida's Friendliest Hometown"!

[Whitley]

How does one go about starting a new post?

[Bill14564]

How does one go about starting a new post?

Click on "Talk of the Villages" link above. Choose a forum to start the new thread in. Click on "Post New Thread."

[Eg_cruz]

Not trying to be a wet blanket here--but Mr. Moore is not guilty of anything, until a court of law says he is. Until that happens, if it does, he enjoys the same rights as any of the rest of us.

The information I've read has aroused the same ire in me that it apparently does in just about everything else, and I admit to giving in to this emotion numerous times, here and in other places. But we need to remind ourselves that what we know so far, at least insofar as I know (maybe there are other, less partisan sources) comes from an online newspaper that is notorious for wasting no opportunity to cast The Villages in general, and Villagers in particular, in as bad a light as it can. They have a stake in controversy, and history has shown that they'll promote this controversy as hard and as often as they can.

There is a reason that criminal cases aren't tried in the Court of Public Opinion. Had this one been, it seems obvious that Mr. Moore would have paid the ultimate price mere hours after the story hit the aforementioned online newspaper. But we're not vigilantes, after all.
Ok sure.
I still feel for her. Her husband is punched right in front of her. It must have been hard on her.
Let’s don’t forget a man’s life is gone and a family is grieving the loss of him.
I just hope she is a good witness when the time comes.

Prayers to his family.
Seems a lot of people seem to have forgot he has love ones.

[Pamela1130]

I find it more astonishing that you (or anyone else) would be astonished. This is a community of 150,000 transplants from other places, most of whom had never met each other before moving in. Of course there will be criminals, violent people, drunks, drug addicts, unwed mothers, uneducated people, bigots, racists, sex offenders, antisemites.

There are more good people than there are bad, in my opinion. But no one should be astonished to learn that the bad exist.

Unwed mothers are not the same as criminals, violent people, drunks, drug addicts, etc, in my humble opinion. Geez. You forgot the deadbeat dads!

[Bogie Shooter]

Wouldnt you feel safer if your city newspaper reported crimes? You would know which areas to avoid or to be careful. And you would know what time most of the crimes happen and to be cautious. You can also be on the lookout and report any suspicious activity. Seems a disfavor to residents not to report crime. Lots of covering-up in "Florida's Friendliest Hometown"!

Yep, got to avoid that area where I go to get my mail…..a number of shady characters letting their dogs $&*# on the grass.
And yet the Daily Sun doesn’t report this…..I have to rely on the TOTV, copywriters.

[margaretmattson]

Yep, got to avoid that area where I go to get my mail…..a number of shady characters letting their dogs $&*# on the grass.
And yet the Daily Sun doesn’t report this…..I have to rely on the TOTV, copywriters. Like your sense of humor but not what I meant. For instance, Lady Lake Police requested shutting down alcohol sales at midnight.This was to curtail crime. Is most crime after midnight? is it just Lady Lake? Would be good to know these things. Some of the crime mentioned was theft of items in cars/carts. Is your neighborhood safe? Again, would be good information to have. If city police have a concern, mine isn't that silly.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Like your sense of humor but not what I meant. For instance, Lady Lake Police requested shutting down alcohol sales at midnight.This was to curtail crime. Is most crime after midnight? is it just Lady Lake? Would be good to know these things. Some of the crime mentioned was theft of items in cars/carts. Is your neighborhood safe? Again, would be good information to have. If city police have a concern, mine isn't that silly.

Our local weekly papers (we had two in our community) had a Police Blotter page, that gave just a basic summary of arrests and tickets issued the week before. One was something like:

Parking violations: 23
Moving vehicle violations: 9
Domestic Dispute charges: 2
Burglary arrests: 1
Non-Domestic Assault: 1
Shoplifting: 2

The other looked more like:

Week of June 27:
James Doe, Sam Doe, Johnny Fugese, Mark Centrino, all of Clintonville Avenue, were arrested on charges of breach of peace and disorderly conduct. Mr. Doe received an additional charge of harassment.
Cindy and Joe Smith, of Arlene Court, were charged with one count each of disorderly conduct and misdemeanor assault in a domestic dispute.
Two minor children were each charged with shoplifting at Stop & Shop.
Sally Jones, of Newport Rhode Island, was charged with evading and travelling in the wrong lane.

A general count and general categorization of arrests and tickets issued would be pretty useful, I think. It would either a) remind people that this really is a pretty safe community, comparatively or b) warn people who insist that crime never happens here, that yes - it does, and while you can trust in the Lord you should still tie up your camel.

[Bogie Shooter]

Reading the police blotter in the local paper before leaving the house is a sign of paranoia. :sad:

[kcrazorbackfan]

This story is a tragedy. Two families destroyed.

One family destroyed. I have no sympathy for the family of the maniacal drunk that did this (even if he had one, he more than likely lived alone). He needs to be taught a life long lesson.

[margaretmattson]

Reading the police blotter in the local paper before leaving the house is a sign of paranoia. :sad: You say paranoia. Others say preventative measures. I guess it depends on if you are frail, a single woman, disabled etc. or a big, healthy, retired military man. Some people would benefit from the information more than others.

[Whitley]

Wouldnt you feel safer if your city newspaper reported crimes? You would know which areas to avoid or to be careful. And you would know what time most of the crimes happen and to be cautious. You can also be on the lookout and report any suspicious activity. Seems a disfavor to residents not to report crime. Lots of covering-up in "Florida's Friendliest Hometown"!

Spotcrime.com offers an app that shows crimes in your neighborhood.

[Whitley]

Click on "Talk of the Villages" link above. Choose a forum to start the new thread in. Click on "Post New Thread."

Thank You

[Salty Dog]

It would be nice if the statistics backed up your opinion. However, FBI stats show that illegal immigrants commit crimes at a lower rate than American-born citizens.

If they are as you've stated illegal immigrants. Haven't 100% of them already committed a crime? I doubt that the percentage of American born citizens who have committed a crime are more than a few percent.

[JMintzer]

It would be nice if the statistics backed up your opinion. However, FBI stats show that illegal immigrants commit crimes at a lower rate than American-born citizens. There's a lot out there that goes counter to what people "believe" - like how you're more likely to die of a gunshot wound in Ohio (16.5 killed per 100,000) than New York City (5.5 per 100,000). Oh - and the Ohio number is ONLY gun murders - the New York City numbers are ALL murders (i.e. including stabbings, beatings, etc).

There is some disputing of that "fact"...

What the media tell you about illegal-immigrant crime is plain wrong (https://nypost.com/2022/10/19/what-the-media-tell-you-about-illegal-immigrant-crime-is-plain-wrong/)

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

If they are as you've stated illegal immigrants. Haven't 100% of them already committed a crime? I doubt that the percentage of American born citizens who have committed a crime are more than a few percent.

Almost 30% of Americans have some kind of criminal record.

[Pugchief]

Almost 30% of Americans have some kind of criminal record.

Source please? I find that hard to believe.

[JMintzer]

Source please? I find that hard to believe.

Politifact has deemed that number as "false"...

PolitiFact | How many U.S. adults have a criminal record? Depends on how you define it (https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2017/aug/18/andrew-cuomo/yes-one-three-us-adults-have-criminal-record/)

[margaretmattson]

Politifact has deemed that number as "false"...

PolitiFact | How many U.S. adults have a criminal record? Depends on how you define it (https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2017/aug/18/andrew-cuomo/yes-one-three-us-adults-have-criminal-record/) Huh? the article you shared stated 1 in 3 adults have a criminal record. So, it is actually a little more than 30%. The poster was close enough.

[Pugchief]

Source please? I find that hard to believe.

Politifact has deemed that number as "false"...

PolitiFact | How many U.S. adults have a criminal record? Depends on how you define it (https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2017/aug/18/andrew-cuomo/yes-one-three-us-adults-have-criminal-record/)

Huh? the article you shared stated 1 in 3 adults have a criminal record. So, it is actually a little more than 30%. The poster was close enough.

The article also points out that the FBI "definition" [lol] of a criminal record includes everyone that has been arrested, not necessarily convicted. That is a ludicrous statistic. Ironically, after calling it a half-truth, the article makes no mention of the number or percent of actually convicted criminals. More quality journalism [eyeroll].

[JMintzer]

Huh? the article you shared stated 1 in 3 adults have a criminal record. So, it is actually a little more than 30%. The poster was close enough.

Did you read the ENTIRE article?

It included ALL those ever arrested, even if the charges were dropped or they were found Not Guilty...

So technically, they were "in the system", but they have not been convicted of a crime...

[margaretmattson]

Did you read the ENTIRE article?

It included ALL those ever arrested, even if the charges were dropped or they were found Not Guilty...

So technically, they were "in the system", but they have not been convicted of a crime... Did you read all the posts before adding yours? The poster was using a number to defend a different issue. This is one of the problems with this forum. People often go out on a tangent. Then ask, where's your proof? Next thing we are going to talk about on this post will be something like " I heard most aliens are criminals." Then someone will ask for proof. Geez! Give Orange Blossom Baby a break.

[JMintzer]

Did you read all the posts before adding yours? The poster was using a number to defend a different issue. This is one of the problems with this forum. People often go out on a tangent. Then ask, where's your proof? Next thing we are going to talk about on this post will be something like " I heard most aliens are criminals." Then someone will ask for proof. Geez! Give Orange Blossom Baby a break.

Yeah, I'll take a pass on that advice...

When I see false information posted, I'll comment on it...

[margaretmattson]

Yeah, I'll take a pass on that advice...

When I see false information posted, I'll comment on it... I Still believe it is a good idea to read all the posts before adding yours. But, we can agree to disagree. Don't have a problem with that.

[LuvNH]

How did this thread get so far away from the original post? Maybe too much time on your hands ..............

[JMintzer]

I Still believe it is a good idea to read all the posts before adding yours. But, we can agree to disagree. Don't have a problem with that.

That's not the advice I was passing on...

[LuvNH]

Mr. Moore made GMA (Good Morning America) this morning on CNN. His defence, according to this report, is that Mr. Zook (sp) put his hands on him and would not let go. Had not heard that one before.