Which entity to pay the $15,000,000. or $12,620, 000 for Morris Blvd golf cart lane

[HandyGrandpap]

Which entity will pay for the Morse Blvd golf cart lane?
I recognize it will eventually be paid by the taxpayers, but curious which entity initially foots the tab? County??

Myself like a lot of folks here have reviewed the Morse Blvd proposals which provide essentially 3 options

Alternative 1 $15,280,000+/-
Alternative 2 $12,620,000+/-
Alternative 3, $0, leave as is

[BrianL99]

Which entity will pay for the Morris Blvd golf cart lane?
I recognize it will eventually be paid by the taxpayers, but curious which entity initially foots the tab? County??

Myself like a lot of folks here have reviewed the Morris Blvd proposals which provide essentially 3 options

Alternative 1 $15,280,000+/-
Alternative 2 $12,620,000+/-
Alternative 3, $0, leave as is

Where is Morris Blvd?

[Gpsma]

Where is Morris Blvd?

Right next to Boner Vister Street.

[mtdjed]

Which entity will pay for the Morse Blvd golf cart lane?
I recognize it will eventually be paid by the taxpayers, but curious which entity initially foots the tab? County??

Myself like a lot of folks here have reviewed the Morse Blvd proposals which provide essentially 3 options

Alternative 1 $15,280,000+/-
Alternative 2 $12,620,000+/-
Alternative 3, $0, leave as is

Probably the same people who pay for the Route 44 sidewalks or the US 441 sidewalks. Can you imagine the hordes of people who will walk these sidewalks?

[JMintzer]

Probably the same people who pay for the Route 44 sidewalks or the US 441 sidewalks. Can you imagine the hordes of people who will walk these sidewalks?

That would be State money... FDOT...

[Bilyclub]

Which entity will pay for the Morse Blvd golf cart lane?
I recognize it will eventually be paid by the taxpayers, but curious which entity initially foots the tab? County??

Myself like a lot of folks here have reviewed the Morse Blvd proposals which provide essentially 3 options

Alternative 1 $15,280,000+/-
Alternative 2 $12,620,000+/-
Alternative 3, $0, leave as is


The AAC.

[golfing eagles]

The AAC.

The AAC doesn't own Morse Blvd., the county does.

But I like your logic----perhaps you are willing to pay for my landscaping revision?????

[DonH57]

Right next to Boner Vister Street.

LOL, Good one!

[UsuallyLurking]

The AAC.

One of the AAC members proposed that they take over all the MMPs north of 466, but it went nowhere. The engineering report indicated that Sumter County was not interested in paying for an MMP, so it would fall on District 1 to pay for it.

[tophcfa]

One of the AAC members proposed that they take over all the MMPs north of 466, but it went nowhere. The engineering report indicated that Sumter County was not interested in paying for an MMP, so it would fall on District 1 to pay for it.

Way too big of an expense for one district to pay for, especially for improvements that would benefit many other districts in the vicinity.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

One of the AAC members proposed that they take over all the MMPs north of 466, but it went nowhere. The engineering report indicated that Sumter County was not interested in paying for an MMP, so it would fall on District 1 to pay for it.

Maybe they can come up with an alternative to the proposed job. At the very least, a tunnel under Morse, from the entrance of Tierra del Sol and over where the golf cart path picks up. That would eliminate the need for golf carts to cross Morse at all to get to the golf cart path, if they're heading south. And it'd eliminate the need for golf carts to cross Morse at all if they're coming north and want to go to Tierra del Sol.

[Bilyclub]

The AAC doesn't own Morse Blvd., the county does.

But I like your logic----perhaps you are willing to pay for my landscaping revision?????


I live South of 466 so no, I won't be paying for a MMP on Morse because some people don't know how to drive.

[Marathon Man]

Which entity will pay for the Morse Blvd golf cart lane?
I recognize it will eventually be paid by the taxpayers, but curious which entity initially foots the tab? County??

Myself like a lot of folks here have reviewed the Morse Blvd proposals which provide essentially 3 options

Alternative 1 $15,280,000+/-
Alternative 2 $12,620,000+/-
Alternative 3, $0, leave as is

Are you sure about that?

[Topspinmo]

The AAC doesn't own Morse Blvd., the county does.

But I like your logic----perhaps you are willing to pay for my landscaping revision?????


Don’t the AAC own narrow strip of land under the bridge but not the water. You know the part that eroding.

[Topspinmo]

I live South of 466 so no, I won't be paying for a MMP on Morse because some people don't know how to drive.

I would not say won’t yet?

[Bilyclub]

Don’t the AAC own narrow strip of land under the bridge but not the water. You know the part that eroding.

No, the AAC will skate on that since it's South of 466. The SLCDD owns that. I think.

[Pairadocs]

I would not say won’t yet?

AGREE ! ! That's a really definite word. Seems to me, one way or another, no matter where you live, if you pay any types/categories of taxes at all...you do end up paying for things you never dreamed you'd pay for !

[HandyGrandpap]

I would not say won’t yet?

My understanding from credible info it is a county road, thus I could see the narrative of county tax payers footing the bill.

Link below to the study, starts on page 34 -35

District 1 Agenda Packet.pdf - Google Drive (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1hCtkUGsNDSakyoPpmus8Md6KyXC2Bc32/view)

[Normal]

The entirety in question is in Sumter County. Does all of Sumter want to pay for The Villages entitled golf cart drivers? That would include local cities not in The Villages like Wildwood, Bushnell, Panaoffskee, Webster and then the Villages in the South that would never utilize the area. Perhaps it should be placed on a ballot. In short, fat chance. I doubt anyone will want to pay for the lanes.

[JP]

This is so unnecessary. Never going to happen.

[kkingston57]

The AAC doesn't own Morse Blvd., the county does.

But I like your logic----perhaps you are willing to pay for my landscaping revision?????

Agree county owns and maintains the road. Per report, Sumter County will not pay anything. Live in this area and can't imagine how many Sumter County residents would be complaining about modifying a road so that several hundred golf cart drivers will be safer.

[kkingston57]

I live South of 466 so no, I won't be paying for a MMP on Morse because some people don't know how to drive.

IF this comes to fruition it will probably be paid for by some type of tax/assessment/increased fee(s) and will not be the responsibility of Sumter County. To make matters worse, this would only help the golf cart drivers and passengers on this section of Morse.

[kkingston57]

The entirety in question is in Sumter County. Does all of Sumter want to pay for The Villages entitled golf cart drivers? That would include local cities not in The Villages like Wildwood, Bushnell, Panaoffskee, Webster and then the Villages in the South that would never utilize the area. Perhaps it should be placed on a ballot. In short, fat chance. I doubt anyone will want to pay for the lanes.

And this area serves very few people. I live in this area and only use cart to play golf

[Bilyclub]

The entirety in question is in Sumter County. Does all of Sumter want to pay for The Villages entitled golf cart drivers? That would include local cities not in The Villages like Wildwood, Bushnell, Panaoffskee, Webster and then the Villages in the South that would never utilize the area. Perhaps it should be placed on a ballot. In short, fat chance. I doubt anyone will want to pay for the lanes.

Considering 80% of property tax revenue in Sumter County comes from TV and that TV is now paying for it's own ambulance and fire protection as well as Sumter County's...

[Normal]

Considering 80% of property tax revenue in Sumter County comes from TV and that TV is now paying for it's own ambulance and fire protection as well as Sumter County's...

But, most Villagers wouldn’t back the expense for that secluded corner and the entire population has a right to vote on it. You are talking about an improvement where about only 1% of the population would enjoy the improvement. Cars are available, there isn’t a need to drive golf carts around in resort style atmosphere for the entitled few. If those people want it in their district, they can pay for it, don’t ask the rest of us to foot that monstrosity of a bill.

[Marathon Man]

But, most Villagers wouldn’t back the expense for that secluded corner and the entire population has a right to vote on it. You are talking about an improvement where about only 1% of the population would enjoy the improvement. Cars are available, there isn’t a need to drive golf carts around in resort style atmosphere for the entitled few. If those people want it in their district, they can pay for it, don’t ask the rest of us to foot that monstrosity of a bill.

This is actually a valid point. If I lived in that area and believed that it was dangerous to golf carts, I would take my car. I would only take my golf cart when headed to the course. Less time equals less chance of trouble. Now multiply that times everyone.

[golfing eagles]

The entirety in question is in Sumter County. Does all of Sumter want to pay for The Villages entitled golf cart drivers? That would include local cities not in The Villages like Wildwood, Bushnell, Panaoffskee, Webster and then the Villages in the South that would never utilize the area. Perhaps it should be placed on a ballot. In short, fat chance. I doubt anyone will want to pay for the lanes.

A question and an observation:

Why do you refer to Villages cart drivers as "entitled"?

And, the population 2023 Sumter Co census bureau estimate is 140,500 and that of the villages (all three counties) is 135,000, with the majority in Sumter Co. Why would you assume a ballot referendum would have a "fat chance"?

[golfing eagles]

But, most Villagers wouldn’t back the expense for that secluded corner and the entire population has a right to vote on it. You are talking about an improvement where about only 1% of the population would enjoy the improvement. Cars are available, there isn’t a need to drive golf carts around in resort style atmosphere for the entitled few. If those people want it in their district, they can pay for it, don’t ask the rest of us to foot that monstrosity of a bill.

1%???????

Probably half of the Villages population of 135,000 use Morse in a golf cart at one time or another. And again with the "entitlement". Where do you live???? And why are you so jealous of those that live here????

[Normal]

1%???????

Probably half of the Villages population of 135,000 use Morse in a golf cart at one time or another. And again with the "entitlement". Where do you live???? And why are you so jealous of those that live here????

Off Meggison South of 44 and yes we have paths that parallel 44 that we are paying for through our bonds. You do realize most people who live outside The Villages in Sumter county have zero interest in footing the bill for an extra luxury of additional golf cart paths for the golf cart riding Villagers, right? Calculating 1%, I measure the slim amount of The Villages population even living in that sector and then the addition of how many of that population even utilize carts, and then how many would actually utilize the path. Hey, if CDD 1 wants a path, create a bond for just them and make them pay for it. Don’t ask the rest of us to pay for it. Heck, we just got hit with the strong possibility of an additional 300 plus per year for fire departments.

[kkingston57]

Lets erect toll booths on Morse Blvd like the ones used in the movie Blazing Saddles and call the road, The Morse/Schwarz tollway.

[golfing eagles]

Off Meggison South of 44 and yes we have paths that parallel 44 that we are paying for through our bonds. You do realize most people who live outside The Villages in Sumter county have zero interest in footing the bill for an extra luxury of additional golf cart paths for the golf cart riding Villagers, right? Calculating 1%, I measure the slim amount of The Villages population even living in that sector and then the addition of how many of that population even utilize carts, and then how many would actually utilize the path. Hey, if CDD 1 wants a path, create a bond for just them and make them pay for it. Don’t ask the rest of us to pay for it. Heck, we just got hit with the strong possibility of an additional 300 plus per year for fire departments.

By that reasoning maybe people who live in the Villages don’t want to pay for the library in Bushnell which 1% of the population might use.

[Bill14564]

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[Normal]

By that reasoning maybe people who live in the Villages don’t want to pay for the library in Bushnell which 1% of the population might use.

Ya, a library might be more needed than an optional route for optional golf cart transportation? Besides, we are talking about “county” funds and a “county” road all with a several mill dollar price tag. I think the people of Webster, Panasoffkee and Wildwood would all like paved roads, public sewage, public water, high speed internet and many other more crucial items also.

[Normal]

Just curious, where are the golf cart paths that run parallel to 44?

Sorry, I misspoke and meant Morse. We have a few tunnels that go under it and paths that run along it from Meggison all the way up to 466 for the most part.

[golfing eagles]

Ya, a library might be more needed than an optional route for optional golf cart transportation? Besides, we are talking about “county” funds and a “county” road all with a several mill dollar price tag. I think the people of Webster, Panasoffkee and Wildwood would all like paved roads, public sewage, public water, high speed internet and many other more crucial items also.

And 80% of those "county funds" come from The Villages homeowners.

30 years ago, the economy of Sumter County ranked 67th among Florida's 67 counties. Today it ranks 12th. Go ahead, keep denigrating The Villages----like killing the goose that laid the golden egg

[Normal]

And 80% of those "county funds" come from The Villages homeowners.

30 years ago, the economy of Sumter County ranked 67th among Florida's 67 counties. Today it ranks 12th. Go ahead, keep denigrating The Villages----like killing the goose that laid the golden egg

ALL golf cart paths were built with bond money. Your CDD had a bond to pay for the infrastructure. The Villages has helped many, but I doubt the city of Wildwood would be interested in adding luxury to a small section of the Villages at Wildwood’s expense. All the Villages wouldn’t necessarily want to step in for an optional golf cart path. Besides, those in the Southern part of the Villages have a much larger bond to pay for infrastructure and are paying for what we have. The northern sections can do the same, besides their bonds were much smaller proportionally.

[golfing eagles]

ALL golf cart paths were built with bond money. Your CDD had a bond to pay for the infrastructure. The Villages has helped many, but I doubt the city of Wildwood would be interested in adding luxury to a small section of the Villages at Wildwood’s expense. All the Villages wouldn’t necessarily want to step in for an optional golf cart path. Besides, those in the Southern part of the Villages have a much larger bond to pay for infrastructure and are paying for what we have. The northern sections can do the same, besides their bonds were much smaller proportionally.

The bond was smaller 25 years ago just as the price of milk was cheaper, it’s called inflation. And the golf cart “path” on Morse north of 466(for those that want to post about TV but don’t live here) is just a lane alongside the road, so I’m not sure it was built with bond funds

[Marathon Man]

ALL golf cart paths were built with bond money. Your CDD had a bond to pay for the infrastructure. The Villages has helped many, but I doubt the city of Wildwood would be interested in adding luxury to a small section of the Villages at Wildwood’s expense. All the Villages wouldn’t necessarily want to step in for an optional golf cart path. Besides, those in the Southern part of the Villages have a much larger bond to pay for infrastructure and are paying for what we have. The northern sections can do the same, besides their bonds were much smaller proportionally.

This one made me think.

If the MMPs had been included as they were south of 466, the residents would have paid for them by way of bond payments. So, adding them now falls on the folks (or their replacements) who live in those homes.

Hmmm. Not an unreasonable assertion.

[JMintzer]

Lets erect toll booths on Morse Blvd like the ones used in the movie Blazing Saddles and call the road, The Morse/Schwarz tollway.

https://media.tenor.com/1fGlBLL4TrIAAAAd/blazingsadles-dimes.gif

[justjim]

One of the AAC members proposed that they take over all the MMPs north of 466, but it went nowhere. The engineering report indicated that Sumter County was not interested in paying for an MMP, so it would fall on District 1 to pay for it.

Why not Sumter County? It would seem that price would be a “drop in a bucket” to a county where so much development is taking place.

[npwalters]

And this area serves very few people. I live in this area and only use cart to play golf

Actually quite a few. Read the report for specifics.

[tophcfa]

And this area serves very few people. I live in this area and only use cart to play golf

Seriously, it isn’t just used by people who live in CDD1. Just about anyone coming from south of 466 to Spanish Springs, the Historic Area, to shop or dine in the northern area, to take in a show at the Sharon, to play golf at Tierra Del Sol, Hacienda Hills, Orange Blossom, or one of the several Executive courses in the area uses that section of Morse Blvd. Have you ever seen the traffic in that area during the annual St. Patrick’s Day Parade or the monthly cruise in at the SS town square? Get a clue!

[Normal]

This one made me think.

If the MMPs had been included as they were south of 466, the residents would have paid for them by way of bond payments. So, adding them now falls on the folks (or their replacements) who live in those homes.

Hmmm. Not an unreasonable assertion.

Exactly Correct!


Yes, and after looking at population data

The Villages MSA vs. Florida | Population Trends over 1969-2021 (https://florida.reaproject.org/analysis/comparative-trends-analysis/population/tools/96690000/120000/#page_2)

About the year 1995 the population was under 40,000. That means additional development not necessarily in the Spanish Springs area adjusted almost another 100,000 citizens (the number may even be larger). These are people that may not even be roughly associated with Spanish Springs or CDD 1. The practical side is most won’t drive their golf cart for an hour plus from Sawgrass to locate Spanish Springs.

It’s nuts and bolts. We have what we have because we paid for it, all of it. If a district wants more, create a bond for that district to pay for it. CDD 1 is no more special than CDD 13. Pay the piper if you want something and stop looking for handouts from everyone else.

Too many have the “free” roof syndrome because insurance pays for it (Northern Villages).

[HandyGrandpap]

This is a county road: That is a fact
The most credible (not necessarily preferred by those outside of CDD1) the county will issue a muni bond amortorized over so many years, thus the sell will be no tax payer will take a bit hit, if approved by the county

[Garywt]

I live South of 466 so no, I won't be paying for a MMP on Morse because some people don't know how to drive.
What does living south have to do with anything. If it is stated everyone pays then we all pay.

[Garywt]

And this area serves very few people. I live in this area and only use cart to play golf

That is a shame, I drive the cart everywhere. Car is only for times we need to to leave the reservation.

[JP]

Accidents happen and always will. For the amount of accidents that have occurred, it's not worth the money to change the golf cart paths and I believe it will never happen.

[Freehiker]

😂 🤣 🍺

[keithwand]

Right next to Boner Vister Street.
Corner of viagara?