Should dogs be allowed in a grocery store?

[VApeople]

I read that the Publix at Magnolia Plaza has two large signs that says dogs are not allowed in their store.

Do you think dogs should be allowed in a grocery store?

[shaw8700@outlook.com]

No, other than service dogs, (aren’t they all service dogs?) they shouldn’t be allowed in a place that sells food. I love dogs, but not where I go for food.

[Taltarzac725]

Just "service dogs" that have been vetted in some manner. I am not even sure what a "service dog" is when taking into account the pooches I have seen in some places in the Villages.

[Two Bills]

No! Niet! Definitely not.
Service dogs only, and the law should be changed that those animals are fully certified, and proof should be shown on request of management.
But it will never be, because the poor 'bleeding hearts' will be so offended if their 'fur babies' are excluded.

[fishon]

No. Neither should their fur parents.

[Dusty_Star]

Of course they should be allowed, accompanied by a person, on a leash, or well trained, or in a cart.

[Sweatman]

No.

[asianthree]

Of course they should be allowed, accompanied by a person, on a leash, or well trained, or in a cart.

On a leash they can wiz on the shelf, in the cart hopefully the owner will step in the puddle instead. Yes have witnessed both issues more I care to count.

Those who have to take their dogs in the grocery are rarely well trained.

[Bay Kid]

Why is it necessary for a dog to be brought in a store around other people's food? What good would a service dog even provide while in a grocery store? Sorry but unless you are blind I don't get it.

[MX rider]

No, other than service dogs, (aren’t they all service dogs?) they shouldn’t be allowed in a place that sells food. I love dogs, but not where I go for food.

100% agree

[Marathon Man]

Why is it necessary for a dog to be brought in a store around other people's food? What good would a service dog even provide while in a grocery store? Sorry but unless you are blind I don't get it.

It's ok that you don't get it. The right people do.

[Altavia]

I'd be more worried about the people contaminating food by handling and sampling. The food bars especially are gross.

[Gpsma]

Can anyone explain why so many dog owners need to bring their dogs with them to grocery stores, restaurants, etc!
Why cant the dog stay at home?

[brianherlihy]

i would go out and not put my stuf back

[MrFlorida]

No, leave them home.

[asianthree]

Can anyone explain why so many dog owners need to bring their dogs with them to grocery stores, restaurants, etc!
Why cant the dog stay at home?

A lady at Publix yelled at the Manager when he asked her to remove her dog
This is a direct quote from her.

“If I leave Harley at home he will ignore me for a week…he will run away if I don’t take him every time I walk out the door”

She proceeded into the store and the dog squatted on the floor, which she walked away from.

Manager had to clean the mess.. but on an up note he was congratulated from many for trying

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Why is it necessary for a dog to be brought in a store around other people's food? What good would a service dog even provide while in a grocery store? Sorry but unless you are blind I don't get it.

There are dogs trained to sense seizures before they happen. Having one can help increase someone's independence. A flickering fluorescent light overhead in a supermarket can trigger an epileptic seizure in some people. A trained service dog would press against the owner's leg, warning him that something is about to happen so he can get down to the floor and prepare for it. A service dog would also bark to attract attention, so that his owner can get immediate help.

A PTSD service animal can sense an anxiety attack before it happens, and assist its owner in getting fresh air, or discouraging people from coming too close, or whatever else it's trained to do.

There are service animals who actually pull the wheelchairs of people who have limited use of their hands and legs.

People with mobility problems can use service animals who are trained to provide them with stability and pacing when standing, walking, and sitting back down.

There exist people with psychiatric issues, who can use service dogs to prevent or interrupt impulsive or potentially dangerous behaviors. The dogs are trained to know the signs of a triggering event.

There are others - but those are some examples.

[Caymus]

Can anyone explain why so many dog owners need to bring their dogs with them to grocery stores, restaurants, etc!
Why cant the dog stay at home?

A sign of mental illness. They think the dogs are their children.

[Topspinmo]

I read that the Publix at Magnolia Plaza has two large signs that says dogs are not allowed in their store.

Do you think dogs should be allowed in a grocery store?


IMO no, only seeing eye dogs for the blind. Otherwise, real service dogs.

[Topspinmo]

There are dogs trained to sense seizures before they happen. Having one can help increase someone's independence. A flickering fluorescent light overhead in a supermarket can trigger an epileptic seizure in some people. A trained service dog would press against the owner's leg, warning him that something is about to happen so he can get down to the floor and prepare for it. A service dog would also bark to attract attention, so that his owner can get immediate help.

A PTSD service animal can sense an anxiety attack before it happens, and assist its owner in getting fresh air, or discouraging people from coming too close, or whatever else it's trained to do.

There are service animals who actually pull the wheelchairs of people who have limited use of their hands and legs.

People with mobility problems can use service animals who are trained to provide them with stability and pacing when standing, walking, and sitting back down.

There exist people with psychiatric issues, who can use service dogs to prevent or interrupt impulsive or potentially dangerous behaviors. The dogs are trained to know the signs of a triggering event.

There are others - but those are some examples.


I consider those rare, not common place beings dogs were in stores regularly. The sign send message to the emotional support dogs are now not allowed.

[ThirdOfFive]

I can certainly understand the objections of some of the folks here to having dogs in grocery stores (with the exception of bona fide service animals), but to be honest, as long as the dog is well-mannered and on a leash, it just doesn't bother me that much.

Except the dogs riding in carts. People put food into those carts and I doubt they are sterilized after every use.

[Stu from NYC]

Yesterday went to the dollar store on 466A just off Powell.

Lady had dog on a leash sniffing everything in sight.

Asked the cashier if they allow it she said they do not, but she ignored the dog.

[vintageogauge]

There are dogs trained to sense seizures before they happen. Having one can help increase someone's independence. A flickering fluorescent light overhead in a supermarket can trigger an epileptic seizure in some people. A trained service dog would press against the owner's leg, warning him that something is about to happen so he can get down to the floor and prepare for it. A service dog would also bark to attract attention, so that his owner can get immediate help.

A PTSD service animal can sense an anxiety attack before it happens, and assist its owner in getting fresh air, or discouraging people from coming too close, or whatever else it's trained to do.

There are service animals who actually pull the wheelchairs of people who have limited use of their hands and legs.

People with mobility problems can use service animals who are trained to provide them with stability and pacing when standing, walking, and sitting back down.

There exist people with psychiatric issues, who can use service dogs to prevent or interrupt impulsive or potentially dangerous behaviors. The dogs are trained to know the signs of a triggering event.

There are others - but those are some examples.

A few, but what about all those other dogs that don't do anything but cause trouble. There is fast acting meds for anxiety and panic attacks, you don't need a dog to tell you when to take them.

[JMintzer]

I read that the Publix at Magnolia Plaza has two large signs that says dogs are not allowed in their store.

Do you think dogs should be allowed in a grocery store?

What a thought provoking question that hasn't been discussed in what, 3-4 days?

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[Altavia]

What a thought provoking question that hasn't been discussed in what, 3-4 days?

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Especially since the other ground hog day thread was closed...

[retiredguy123]

A lady at Publix yelled at the Manager when he asked her to remove her dog
This is a direct quote from her.

“If I leave Harley at home he will ignore me for a week…he will run away if I don’t take him every time I walk out the door”

She proceeded into the store and the dog squatted on the floor, which she walked away from.

Manager had to clean the mess.. but on an up note he was congratulated from many for trying
All the manager had to do was to tell the lady that she won't be able to check out.

[Djean1981]

NO, unless a true service dog.

[Velvet]

No. It is disgusting and unhygienic to have a dog near my food, or in my grocery cart etc … and yes I am a dog lover. A dog is not of human species and will never become one no matter how much you might want it to, or love it.

[I'm Popeye!]

I'll write it in Spanish,
. . . . . No!

[LuvNH]

A lady at Publix yelled at the Manager when he asked her to remove her dog
This is a direct quote from her.

“If I leave Harley at home he will ignore me for a week…he will run away if I don’t take him every time I walk out the door”

She proceeded into the store and the dog squatted on the floor, which she walked away from.

Manager had to clean the mess.. but on an up note he was congratulated from many for trying

That realy "burns" me. He told her not to come in with a dog, then cleans up the dogs pee while she is waltzing around the store like Lady Muck. Oh I wish I had been there for that.

[patfla06]

Absolutely not!!
A woman brought a dog into Publix Trailwinds.
I complained to an employee and they told me they
Couldn’t do anything.
When checking out the dog had pooped on the floor.
As an employee I would NOT have cleaned it up.

Exactly why dogs should NOT be in stores. :mad:

[retiredguy123]

That realy "burns" me. He told her not to come in with a dog, then cleans up the dogs pee while she is waltzing around the store like Lady Muck. Oh I wish I had been there for that.
I agree. But, the store can refuse to do business with the lady. Just because she went into the store doesn't mean that she can buy anything. The manager doesn't sound very effective.

[Dotneko]

What a thought provoking question that hasn't been discussed in what, 3-4 days?

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Well, i tend to pass on by the questions posed here that I dont find thought provoking. But thats just me i guess.....
Personally, keep your dirty creatures out of the food store. The manager needs to man up and tell the miscreant they arent welcome in the store with their mangy mutt. Or let them do their shopping and refuse to check them out. Let them waste an hour of their time.

[retiredguy123]

Well, i tend to pass on by the questions posed here that I dont find thought provoking. But thats just me i guess.....
Personally, keep your dirty creatures out of the food store. The manager needs to man up and tell the miscreant they arent welcome in the store with their mangy mutt. Or let them do their shopping and refuse to check them out. Let them waste an hour of their time.
I agree. A manager who can't enforce their own policy should not be a manager.

Regarding Post No. 16, why would customers congratulate a manager who can't do his job? Pretty sad.

[I'm Popeye!]

What a thought provoking question that hasn't been discussed in what, 3-4 days?

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Just admit it, JM, you hate these types of dog threads; why? Because you disagree with the majority...

[LuvNH]

I agree. But, the store can refuse to do business with the lady. Just because she went into the store doesn't mean that she can buy anything. The manager doesn't sound very effective.

I really believe The Village attitude is "do not upset the Villagers" which is ridiculous. Remember the toilet paper sell out during the pandemic .... well I do, I have never seen so many crazy rude old people trying to stock up on toilet paper.

[asianthree]

Grocery Management is afraid they will be named in a lawsuit, if store loses it’s their job right or wrong.

One of our sons is the COO with 3 high end restaurants. Each has a service dog only sign posted on the front door, and the hostess podium.

They have only one customer who tries to bring her dog multiple times a month, stating that it’s emotional support and her need to eat with the pet. He has turned her away each time, offering take out meal, giving her their attorney’s card, (the one and only time she ate there she snuck the purse dog in and had it on the table eating off her plate).

Yes they could be sued, and it’s a hot button for mom and pop that don’t have attorney money.

They do however have a young girl who comes with her seizure dog, sitting tight against her leg, under the table, her family eats there often using same table right round the corner from front door, and has had one episode that the dog alerted her, and help was called immediately. So far no suits have been filed, and their customers are extremely happy to have a pet free meal.

[Bill14564]

I agree. A manager who can't enforce their own policy should not be a manager.

Regarding Post No. 16, why would customers congratulate a manager who can't do his job? Pretty sad.

Even the manager has a boss. I wonder if his hands may be tied more than we realize. Or maybe not.

[I'm Popeye!]

I really believe The Village attitude is "do not upset the Villagers" which is ridiculous. Remember the toilet paper sell out during the pandemic .... well I do, I have never seen so many crazy rude old people trying to stock up on toilet paper.

Speaking of Rude: Not nice to call Older Citizens, "Crazy Rude Old People."
So, "Toilet Paper" is what you continue to think of from the pandemic. :coolsmiley:

[Bill14564]

Speaking of Rude: Not nice to call Older Citizens, "Crazy Rude Old People."
So, "Toilet Paper" is what you continue to think of from the pandemic. :coolsmiley:

Toilet paper, beef, canned tuna, and a few others. I didn’t read that as a criticism of all older citizens, I read it as calling out the subset that can accurately be described as crazy rude older people.

[retiredguy123]

Even the manager has a boss. I wonder if his hands may be tied more than we realize. Or maybe not.
FYI, here is the official Publix policy from their corporate, Publix.com website:

"Publix permits service animals in the areas of its premises that are open to the public.

A service animal is a dog or miniature horse that is individually trained to do work or perform tasks to assist an individual with a disability. Dogs, miniature horses, or other animals that provide only emotional support, comfort, or companionship are not considered service animals.

A service animal must be under the control of its handler. A service animal must have a harness, leash, or other tether, unless the handler is either unable to use the same because of a disability, or the use of the same would interfere with the service animal’s safe, effective performance of work or tasks. In such case, the service animal must otherwise be under the handler’s control, such as through voice commands, signals, or other effective means.

We ask that non-service animals be removed from the premises. We also ask that service animals that are out of control, pose a threat to health or safety, or are not housebroken be removed from the premises. The individual may continue to shop at the store without the animal. Publix will gladly provide personal shopping assistance to such an individual upon request.

All service animals are prohibited from being carried in a Publix shopping cart (even on a mat) or in Publix wheelchair basket attachments."

[Stu from NYC]

FYI, here is the official Publix policy from their corporate, Publix.com website:

"Publix permits service animals in the areas of its premises that are open to the public.

A service animal is a dog or miniature horse that is individually trained to do work or perform tasks to assist an individual with a disability. Dogs, miniature horses, or other animals that provide only emotional support, comfort, or companionship are not considered service animals.

A service animal must be under the control of its handler. A service animal must have a harness, leash, or other tether, unless the handler is either unable to use the same because of a disability, or the use of the same would interfere with the service animal’s safe, effective performance of work or tasks. In such case, the service animal must otherwise be under the handler’s control, such as through voice commands, signals, or other effective means.

We ask that non-service animals be removed from the premises. We also ask that service animals that are out of control, pose a threat to health or safety, or are not housebroken be removed from the premises. The individual may continue to shop at the store without the animal. Publix will gladly provide personal shopping assistance to such an individual upon request.

All service animals are prohibited from being carried in a Publix shopping cart (even on a mat) or in Publix wheelchair basket attachments."

Is a miniature horse a quarter horse? Asking for a friend.

Wonder if Publix generally follows these guidelines.

[Byte1]

Love dogs. NO, dogs should not be anywhere near where there is food. That said, I do believe that a seeing eye dog should be allowed for those that are blind. ONLY for those that are sight impaired that require a seeing eye dog to maintain mobility. NO DOGS in grocery stores.

[coffeebean]

I read that the Publix at Magnolia Plaza has two large signs that says dogs are not allowed in their store.

Do you think dogs should be allowed in a grocery store?

NO, with the exception of genuine service dogs. Please.....no dogs in the grocery carts without anything to protect the cart. That is just skeevy without cart protection.

[coffeebean]

No! Niet! Definitely not.
Service dogs only, and the law should be changed that those animals are fully certified, and proof should be shown on request of management.
But it will never be, because the poor 'bleeding hearts' will be so offended if their 'fur babies' are excluded.

Please, please keep the fur babies at home when you go to the grocery store.

[coffeebean]

No! Niet! Definitely not.
Service dogs only, and the law should be changed that those animals are fully certified, and proof should be shown on request of management.
But it will never be, because the poor 'bleeding hearts' will be so offended if their 'fur babies' are excluded.

There are dogs trained to sense seizures before they happen. Having one can help increase someone's independence. A flickering fluorescent light overhead in a supermarket can trigger an epileptic seizure in some people. A trained service dog would press against the owner's leg, warning him that something is about to happen so he can get down to the floor and prepare for it. A service dog would also bark to attract attention, so that his owner can get immediate help.

A PTSD service animal can sense an anxiety attack before it happens, and assist its owner in getting fresh air, or discouraging people from coming too close, or whatever else it's trained to do.

There are service animals who actually pull the wheelchairs of people who have limited use of their hands and legs.

People with mobility problems can use service animals who are trained to provide them with stability and pacing when standing, walking, and sitting back down.

There exist people with psychiatric issues, who can use service dogs to prevent or interrupt impulsive or potentially dangerous behaviors. The dogs are trained to know the signs of a triggering event.

There are others - but those are some examples.

The issues most folks have is not with genuine service animals. The issues are with FiFi and Fido who squat and pee and poop in the aisles of the grocery store. Big difference.

[LuvNH]

Speaking of Rude: Not nice to call Older Citizens, "Crazy Rude Old People."
So, "Toilet Paper" is what you continue to think of from the pandemic. :coolsmiley:

What would you like me to call crazy rude old people fighting at Publix front door to get in for toilet paper? I am open to suggestion. As for toilet paper and pandemic, if you recall we were extremely fortunate in TV with the pandemic. Outside the bubble, not so much.

[I'm Popeye!]

Toilet paper, beef, canned tuna, and a few others. I didn’t read that as a criticism of all older citizens, I read it as calling out the subset that can accurately be described as crazy rude older people.

So, Who is to say I am or You are...

[Bill14564]

So, Who is to say I am or You are...

Pretty sure I'm safe from Crazy but I'm definitely a People. I'm beginning to accept Older though I'm on the young side of those north of 44. Rude... for the most part I consider the source, but sometimes things just happen.

[LuvNH]

I now need to apologize to the nice people on this thread who posted about dogs in stores. I am sorry ....................

[eyc234]

I read that the Publix at Magnolia Plaza has two large signs that says dogs are not allowed in their store.

Do you think dogs should be allowed in a grocery store?


NO!!!

[dhdallas]

I read that the Publix at Magnolia Plaza has two large signs that says dogs are not allowed in their store.

Do you think dogs should be allowed in a grocery store?

Dogs do not belong in grocery stores, restaurants, the squares, at parties, and when visiting someone else's home.

They are not your children (no matter what you think) and there are plenty of people who do not like dogs. They are smelly, needy creatures that shed, carry fleas, slobber, have worms, and drag their butt on the carpet. Don't even get me started about the barking.

Owners of purebred dogs are really offensive. If they really cared about dogs they'd get a rescue animal or a mutt from the local dog pound (and not a puppy mill). Instead, the vain purebred owners are too snobbish to have a mixed breed animal, wanting to show off their expensive animal everywhere they go. Leave your animal where it belongs; at home!

[JMintzer]

Well, i tend to pass on by the questions posed here that I dont find thought provoking. But thats just me i guess.....
Personally, keep your dirty creatures out of the food store. The manager needs to man up and tell the miscreant they arent welcome in the store with their mangy mutt. Or let them do their shopping and refuse to check them out. Let them waste an hour of their time.

So... You passed on commenting the last time this was posted just a few days ago (and the what is it now, dozens of time before that?) But you see fit to post now?

And by insulting people, you expect what in response?

[JMintzer]

Just admit it, JM, you hate these types of dog threads; why? Because you disagree with the majority...

Nope. I don't believe dogs need to be taken into grocery stores...

I never suggested that they should... But nice try!

[Topspinmo]

Well, i tend to pass on by the questions posed here that I dont find thought provoking. But thats just me i guess.....
Personally, keep your dirty creatures out of the food store. The manager needs to man up and tell the miscreant they arent welcome in the store with their mangy mutt. Or let them do their shopping and refuse to check them out. Let them waste an hour of their time.

Do you feel alright? Your wording sounds like you might be having stroke or something.

[Topspinmo]

So, Who is to say I am or You are...

Me, I’m great judgement of people. :pepper2:

[Dotneko]

Do you feel alright? Your wording sounds like you might be having stroke or something.

Why, thank you for checking on me! My words appear to track just fine, though, so I think I am good. And you appear to have regained your mastery of the English language too! Good news all around. Seriously you were uncharacteristically butchering your sentences - forgive me for being concerned. It wont happen again.

[Dotneko]

Me, I’m great judgement of people. :pepper2:

LOL I stand corrected. Back to butchering.

[Dotneko]

So... You passed on commenting the last time this was posted just a few days ago (and the what is it now, dozens of time before that?) But you see fit to post now?

And by insulting people, you expect what in response?

Ive been busy. There are some days I dont even post here - imagine that!
And your original comment about this thread wasnt meant as an insult? Pot, meet kettle.

[Garywt]

I say no dogs in grocery stores, restaurants (inside or out) and any other stores including Home Depot and Lowes. Dogs should be left home if you plan any type of shopping.

[Fredster]

I read that the Publix at Magnolia Plaza has two large signs that says dogs are not allowed in their store.

Do you think dogs should be allowed in a grocery store?

No….I don’t believe dogs should be brought
to grocery stores!

[dnobles]

Why is it necessary for a dog to be brought in a store around other people's food? What good would a service dog even provide while in a grocery store? Sorry but unless you are blind I don't get it.

You should read Doctor Dogs by Maria Goodavage. Dogs are trained to detect diabetic attacks and epileptic seizures to name only 2.

[JMintzer]

Ive been busy. There are some days I dont even post here - imagine that!
And your original comment about this thread wasnt meant as an insult? Pot, meet kettle.

:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Riiight... My post, commenting on starting a new thread when a thread EXACTLY like it was closed just a day or two ago is the same as your's stating this:

"Personally, keep your dirty creatures out of the food store. The manager needs to man up and tell the miscreant they arent welcome in the store with their mangy mutt."

Nice rationalization...

[Topspinmo]

You should read Doctor Dogs by Maria Goodavage. Dogs are trained to detect diabetic attacks and epileptic seizures to name only 2.


So.

[Topspinmo]

[QUOTE=Dotneko;2245399]Why, thank you for checking on me! My words appear to track just fine, though, so I think I am good. And you appear to have regained your mastery of the English language too! Good news all around. Seriously you were uncharacteristically butchering your sentences - forgive me for being concerned. It wont happen again.[/

I rest my case.

[fdpaq0580]

My sympathy to those who truly have no choice but to rely solely upon dogs, but other than truly professionals trained medically certified service dogs should not be allowed in grocery stores or restaurants. Imho.

[Lyarham]

I read that the Publix at Magnolia Plaza has two large signs that says dogs are not allowed in their store.

Do you think dogs should be allowed in a grocery store?

No dogs in grocery stores or restaurants

[gbs317]

Keep the dogs home. They are probably thinking to themselves “ … finally some peace and quiet.”

[donfey]

NO!

[PersonOfInterest]

Supposedly there are laws that prohibit animals in places where food is sold or prepared. There are also laws that require such businesses to allow service animals. I would think that management could approach someone trying to bring an animal / pet into their business and ask them to remove the animal or they will call the police to have them removed.

Why is there reluctance to involve law enforcement?

[snorkey1]

Pet smart only!!!

[Life as I know it]

No cart. Our food goes there.

[GoneFishing]

No!!!

[swooner]

I read that the Publix at Magnolia Plaza has two large signs that says dogs are not allowed in their store.

Do you think dogs should be allowed in a grocery store?
NO!

[birdawg]

Some countries you can find them in the frozen food section

[retiredguy123]

Supposedly there are laws that prohibit animals in places where food is sold or prepared. There are also laws that require such businesses to allow service animals. I would think that management could approach someone trying to bring an animal / pet into their business and ask them to remove the animal or they will call the police to have them removed.

Why is there reluctance to involve law enforcement?
Publix has an official corporate policy about dogs in their stores. See Post No. 41. It seems to me that the store can refuse service to anyone who violates their policy by just refusing to check them out. I don't see any need to involve law enforcement.

[samquiros]

A lot of misinformation and misunderstandings on this thread. If you are interested in learning about service animals, why not go to the source? Service animals are governed by the American with Disabilities Act (ADA). If you review the ADA, and you disagree with it, blaming the Publix manager will not help. Write to your Congressperson.

Service Animals | ADA.gov (https://www.ada.gov/topics/service-animals/)

[dnobles]

Love dogs. NO, dogs should not be anywhere near where there is food. That said, I do believe that a seeing eye dog should be allowed for those that are blind. ONLY for those that are sight impaired that require a seeing eye dog to maintain mobility. NO DOGS in grocery stores.

So someone who needs a dog that can detect an on coming seizure or diabetic attack must stay home right

[wsachs]

I read that the Publix at Magnolia Plaza has two large signs that says dogs are not allowed in their store.

Do you think dogs should be allowed in a grocery store?

NO. Real service dogs YES.

[retiredguy123]

A lot of misinformation and misunderstandings on this thread. If you are interested in learning about service animals, why not go to the source? Service animals are governed by the American with Disabilities Act (ADA). If you review the ADA, and you disagree with it, blaming the Publix manager will not help. Write to your Congressperson.

Service Animals | ADA.gov (https://www.ada.gov/topics/service-animals/)
Publix doesn't have any rules against service animals, but they do have a very detailed policy about dogs in their stores. See Post No. 41. A Publix manager should be able to enforce their own company policy, which is not in conflict with the ADA law.

[Drakeswood]

Absolutely not!
Think about where your dog’s snout goes when out for a walk or around other pets…Yep, right sniffing the anus of other dogs or urine or feces. And we want our unpackaged fruit & veggies in the same location these animals have sat or licked? E. Coli is not healthy nor are dander and fur. Furthermore, what about folks with allergies? Price an epi pen…
Common sense is just not common!

[Caymus]

So someone who needs a dog that can detect an on coming seizure or diabetic attack must stay home right

What do they do in almost every other city, county and town where health codes are enforced? I visited food stores thousands of times in other states and only encountered dogs twice. Both times they were obviously service dogs.

They do it where they can get away with it.

[sdm1222]

:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Riiight... My post, commenting on starting a new thread when a thread EXACTLY like it was closed just a day or two ago is the same as your's stating this:

"Personally, keep your dirty creatures out of the food store. The manager needs to man up and tell the miscreant they arent welcome in the store with their mangy mutt."

Nice rationalization...
And you also replied 50 times!

[banjobob]

I read that the Publix at Magnolia Plaza has two large signs that says dogs are not allowed in their store.

Do you think dogs should be allowed in a grocery store?

A resounding NO leave the pets at home,grocery, restaurants, town squares .

[ThirdOfFive]

FYI, here is the official Publix policy from their corporate, Publix.com website:

"Publix permits service animals in the areas of its premises that are open to the public.

A service animal is a dog or miniature horse that is individually trained to do work or perform tasks to assist an individual with a disability. Dogs, miniature horses, or other animals that provide only emotional support, comfort, or companionship are not considered service animals.

A service animal must be under the control of its handler. A service animal must have a harness, leash, or other tether, unless the handler is either unable to use the same because of a disability, or the use of the same would interfere with the service animal’s safe, effective performance of work or tasks. In such case, the service animal must otherwise be under the handler’s control, such as through voice commands, signals, or other effective means.

We ask that non-service animals be removed from the premises. We also ask that service animals that are out of control, pose a threat to health or safety, or are not housebroken be removed from the premises. The individual may continue to shop at the store without the animal. Publix will gladly provide personal shopping assistance to such an individual upon request.

All service animals are prohibited from being carried in a Publix shopping cart (even on a mat) or in Publix wheelchair basket attachments."
Drat! Does that mean that I can no longer bring Spike (my emotional support monitor lizard) into Publix when I shop there?

[OhioBuckeye]

Love dogs, but don’t think any kind of animal should be allowed in any store that has food.I think it would only hurt business! Dogs won’t know the difference or dislike you if you don’t take them there.

[garykoca427@gmail.com]

I agree with the majority. Only service dogs.

[MandoMan]

Just "service dogs" that have been vetted in some manner. I am not even sure what a "service dog" is when taking into account the pooches I have seen in some places in the Villages.

Allow highly-trained dogs that serve the blind. Not fake “emotional support animals.” Of course, if a blind person counts on a guide dog for grocery shopping, perhaps they will return home with lots of fresh mean and fish and sacks of dog food. (Joking)

[Lindaws]

I read that the Publix at Magnolia Plaza has two large signs that says dogs are not allowed in their store.

Do you think dogs should be allowed in a grocery store?

Absolutely NOT. Never allowed years ago, Why now?

[BBBnWitty]

No, other than service dogs, (aren’t they all service dogs?) they shouldn’t be allowed in a place that sells food. I love dogs, but not where I go for food.

I too love dogs, but not where I go for food. But since many stores deliver food now, why does anyone need to bring a dog, even service dogs, to a grocery store?

[midiwiz]

It's ok that you don't get it. The right people do.

just exactly WHO are "The Right People"???? I'd like to know what you are inferring here. Are you saying that if we don't agree with the tree huggers we are wrong? Are you saying that if we don't agree with you we are wrong?

Spell it out!

As a side note - in many places across the US and Europe, dogs (and cats) are not allowed in establishments that have fresh food. Which includes markets, grocery stores, butcher shops, etc. Now if you want bats contaminating your fresh items I'm sure we can oblige. I think for the most part you'll find this is policy/law/etc.

They just don't belong there period the end.

[Bay Kid]

There are dogs trained to sense seizures before they happen. Having one can help increase someone's independence. A flickering fluorescent light overhead in a supermarket can trigger an epileptic seizure in some people. A trained service dog would press against the owner's leg, warning him that something is about to happen so he can get down to the floor and prepare for it. A service dog would also bark to attract attention, so that his owner can get immediate help.

A PTSD service animal can sense an anxiety attack before it happens, and assist its owner in getting fresh air, or discouraging people from coming too close, or whatever else it's trained to do.

There are service animals who actually pull the wheelchairs of people who have limited use of their hands and legs.

People with mobility problems can use service animals who are trained to provide them with stability and pacing when standing, walking, and sitting back down.

There exist people with psychiatric issues, who can use service dogs to prevent or interrupt impulsive or potentially dangerous behaviors. The dogs are trained to know the signs of a triggering event.

There are others - but those are some examples.

Not very many, if hardly any, of these dogs/people. This discussion is for the privileged dog owners that have no respect for others. I see dogs with their nose up other dogs rear, eating rabbit pellets, etc. They shouldn't be around other peoples food.

[Hmckinn]

I read that the Publix at Magnolia Plaza has two large signs that says dogs are not allowed in their store.

Do you think dogs should be allowed in a grocery store?

No. They should never be allow where there is food sold.

[midiwiz]

What would you like me to call crazy rude old people fighting at Publix front door to get in for toilet paper? I am open to suggestion. As for toilet paper and pandemic, if you recall we were extremely fortunate in TV with the pandemic. Outside the bubble, not so much.

we were 'outside the bubble' and had zero issues, the only ones with issues were those that demanded things that we ignored...such as masks.

[LuvNH]

What do they do in almost every other city, county and town where health codes are enforced? I visited food stores thousands of times in other states and only encountered dogs twice. Both times they were obviously service dogs.

They do it where they can get away with it.

This is an excellent point. We have traveled extensively and have NEVER seen a dog in a store serving or selling food. ONLY IN THE VILLAGES.

[Rainger99]

Especially since the other ground hog day thread was closed...

When I clicked on this thread, I thought it was the other thread!!! Took me a few minutes to realize that it was a new one!

[Goodwingle]

No! "Real" Service Dogs yes but only on a leash walking on the floor. Please dear lord do not put a dog or "any" pet in a shopping cart where I put my actual groceries!

[virtue51]

NO!!! If an individual cannot leave the dog home, then they should have their groceries delivered.

[Aulicino]

No, I have had dogs my whole life and have never brought them shopping with me. It disgusts me to see a dog sitting in a shopping cart where my merchandise would be. Just ignorant owners.

[nordic tug]

The owner and the dog belong in the barn.

[cwhitecat]

I don’t want to put my produce in a cart that a dog has been riding in.

[Bilyclub]

Hell no. It's against most health codes.

[Steve]

Of course they should be allowed, accompanied by a person, on a leash, or well trained, or in a cart.

Well, that's a reversal. The dog has the person on a leash, well trained or in a cart!

[Steve]

This is an excellent point. We have traveled extensively and have NEVER seen a dog in a store serving or selling food. ONLY IN THE VILLAGES.

I, too, have never seen a dog serving or selling food in a store...or anywhere for that matter.

[MSGirl]

I read that the Publix at Magnolia Plaza has two large signs that says dogs are not allowed in their store.

Do you think dogs should be allowed in a grocery store?
Regarding Publix at Magnolia Plaza, there was a woman in that store yesterday with her little white dog. So, I’m guessing the signs mean nothing. A dog, unless a seeing eye dog, should not be allowed in stores and in the grocery cart, where many sit

[Blackbird45]

I believe dogs have every right to be in supermarkets as long as they know how to push a shopping cart and are not accompanied by their master.

[Steve]

A lot of misinformation and misunderstandings on this thread. If you are interested in learning about service animals, why not go to the source? Service animals are governed by the American with Disabilities Act (ADA). If you review the ADA, and you disagree with it, blaming the Publix manager will not help. Write to your Congressperson.

Service Animals | ADA.gov (https://www.ada.gov/topics/service-animals/)

I think some people are confusing "Service Dogs" and "Therapy Dogs". I think the "Therapy Dog" thing is being abused.

[JGibson]

If you read the ingredients in most of the foods these days like Bio-Engineered food ingredients a dog is the last thing you would have to worry about.

Meanwhile restaurants around TV are getting all types of violations for roaches, rats and improperly temperature controlled food storage.

If you ever worked in a kitchen of a restaurant you may never eat out again.

But yeah, dogs lol.

[JGibson]

I think some people are confusing "Service Dogs" and "Therapy Dogs". I think the "Therapy Dog" thing is being abused.

Airlines allow therapy animals and granted its supposed to stay in crate but there is many times food is being served.

Maybe if the Airlines didn't charge $200 for an animal folks wouldn't abuse it.

[I'm Popeye!]

Pretty sure I'm safe from Crazy but I'm definitely a People. I'm beginning to accept Older though I'm on the young side of those north of 44. Rude... for the most part I consider the source, but sometimes things just happen.

Not saying that you are, but,
Mr. Bill, did you know that not even the NUT-CASE knows they are nuts... :jester:

[Bill14564]

No, other than service animals, there should be no dogs (cats, mice, horses, peacocks) in a grocery store. That's the easy part.

The hard part is, what would you have the store do? Don't say, "keep them out," explain how the store manager should do that.

Should they have security at the front of the store? What would the security do? Should they block the path of anyone attempting to enter with a pet? Should they take people by the arm and physically remove them from the store? Should they call the police and have customers arrested? Knowing that whatever they do will wind up on the front page of the paper, how should they treat their pet-owning customers?

[Canada friends]

Totally agree 100% leave the dogs at home…..

[retiredguy123]

No, other than service animals, there should be no dogs (cats, mice, horses, peacocks) in a grocery store. That's the easy part.

The hard part is, what would you have the store do? Don't say, "keep them out," explain how the store manager should do that.

Should they have security at the front of the store? What would the security do? Should they block the path of anyone attempting to enter with a pet? Should they take people by the arm and physically remove them from the store? Should they call the police and have customers arrested? Knowing that whatever they do will wind up on the front page of the paper, how should they treat their pet-owning customers?
They should warn them at the front door or in the store that they will not be able to check out at the register.

[Cindysum90]

No - the FDA prohibits them. It’s disgusting and I’m glad Publix put up a sign. I hope they adhere to it!

[I'm Popeye!]

Nope. I don't believe dogs need to be taken into grocery stores...

I never suggested that they should... But nice try!

You seem to jump on those that say "NO".. To me, meaning you think they should allow the stinky mongrel to lick the oranges...
Just check every one of your posts on this thread, it proves my point and it seems that way with every topic... Relax my friend you seem like a lovely person at times. :highfive:

[Two Bills]

When I was a whole lot younger, any dog of ours that came shopping with us, was just tied to hooks in the wall outside of shop, that were put there specifically for that purpose.
Dogs never entered a shop, and the store owners were not shy of telling you to get out if you brought your mutt in.
But dogs then, were lean, mean, happy, and knew their place, unlike the fur babies of today, who seem to be in charge of their owners..

Whole world has gone to the dogs!

[airstreamingypsy]

What difference does what we think make? Only service dogs are legally allowed in grocery stores. No fake service dogs, no emotional support dogs..... real honest to god trained for service dogs. I don't understand the point of this question.

[I'm Popeye!]

Publix has an official corporate policy about dogs in their stores. See Post No. 41. It seems to me that the store can refuse service to anyone who violates their policy by just refusing to check them out. I don't see any need to involve law enforcement.
Thanks retiredguy,
Not just posted on the Publics website, undecided: SHOULD BE POSTED on every door entering the store!
Here it is again:

[Regorp]

I read that the Publix at Magnolia Plaza has two large signs that says dogs are not allowed in their store.

Do you think dogs should be allowed in a grocery store?

NO!!

[kendi]

Of course they should be allowed, accompanied by a person, on a leash, or well trained, or in a cart.

Problem is they have to say no to all or yes to all. (Except service dogs of course) Can’t sort out the good from the not so good.

[GATORBILL66]

I read that the Publix at Magnolia Plaza has two large signs that says dogs are not allowed in their store.

Do you think dogs should be allowed in a grocery store?

Anytime I see any animal in a shopping cart, I walk out of the store.

[I'm Popeye!]

A lot of misinformation and misunderstandings on this thread. If you are interested in learning about service animals, why not go to the source? Service animals are governed by the American with Disabilities Act (ADA). If you review the ADA, and you disagree with it, blaming the Publix manager will not help. Write to your Congressperson.

Service Animals | ADA.gov (https://www.ada.gov/topics/service-animals/)

I can't find it, but maybe YOU can tell us, when was this NEW meaning of SERVICE Aminals was put into practice?

[jimkerr]

I read that the Publix at Magnolia Plaza has two large signs that says dogs are not allowed in their store.

Do you think dogs should be allowed in a grocery store?

I have an amazing dog but she sure as heck doesn’t belong in a grocery store! There are a lot of ignorant people that think their dog should be able to go with them anywhere though.

The best is those people that buy the fake service dog vests and cards from Amazon. Real service dog vests can’t be purchased from Amazon.

[I'm Popeye!]

Absolutely not!
Think about where your dog’s snout goes when out for a walk or around other pets…Yep, right sniffing the anus of other dogs or urine or feces. And we want our unpackaged fruit & veggies in the same location these animals have sat or licked? E. Coli is not healthy nor are dander and fur. Furthermore, what about folks with allergies? Price an epi pen…
Common sense is just not common!

I approve of this message, thank you Drakeswood.. :BigApplause:

[Bill14564]

Anytime I see any animal in a shopping cart, I walk out of the store.

I hope you stop at the customer service desk to let them know why. Seriously. Either management does not know there is a problem or they are worried that correcting the problem (removing the animal) will cause them to lose a customer. They need to know they are losing customers by NOT correcting the problem.

I don't usually pay attention to what other customers are doing as long as they are not blocking my way. Perhaps I will start watching for animals and choose to leave if I see one.

[cjrjck]

Do you think dogs should be allowed in a grocery store?

Sure. Why not? But dog owners need to know that the horse I ride into Publix doesn't like dogs sniffing around his backside. Never has.

[JMintzer]

And you also replied 50 times!

So?

[JMintzer]

This is an excellent point. We have traveled extensively and have NEVER seen a dog in a store serving or selling food. ONLY IN THE VILLAGES.

You need to travel more...

And oddly, I've NEVER seen anyone with a dog in a grocery store in TV...

[I'm Popeye!]

we were 'outside the bubble' and had zero issues, the only ones with issues were those that demanded things that we ignored...such as masks.
. . . . . . .

[I'm Popeye!]

I, too, have never seen a dog serving or selling food in a store...or anywhere for that matter.

You need to get out more..... :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[I'm Popeye!]

If you read the ingredients in most of the foods these days like Bio-Engineered food ingredients a dog is the last thing you would have to worry about.

Meanwhile restaurants around TV are getting all types of violations for roaches, rats and improperly temperature controlled food storage.

If you ever worked in a kitchen of a restaurant you may never eat out again.

But yeah, dogs lol.

So then, you're saying it's OK to pile poop on top of poop... :coolsmiley:

[mags900]

NO!!!!!!!!!

[JMintzer]

You seem to jump on those that say "NO".. To me, meaning you think they should allow the stinky mongrel to lick the oranges...
Just check every one of your posts on this thread, it proves my point and it seems that way with every topic... Relax my friend you seem like a lovely person at times. :highfive:

I did no such thing. I only responded to the person who called people "miscreants" along with other insults...

Was that you?

[tophcfa]

Only a real service dog like the beautiful girl pictured below. She is off harness in the picture and not working. When she is in harness she is a highly trained guid dog for the blind/visually impaired (she is my brothers third German Shepherd guide dog). She has gone through extensive training, including her first year being fostered by a loving family and then another full year of intestine training as a guide dog. Only a very certain type of dog has the temperament, skills, and physical strength to do the job. Many of the dogs don’t pass the test during training and either become police dogs or pets. She is my brothers eyes, goes everywhere with him, and allows him to live a full life with his handicap. His guide dogs have saved his life more than once by pulling him from traffic in downtown Boston.

People buying fake “service dog” vests on Amazon and taking advantage of ridiculously lax ADA laws should be absolutely ashamed of themselves. They are doing a discreet to truly handicapped individuals who rely on their dogs for their quality of life!

[JMintzer]

You seem to jump on those that say "NO".. To me, meaning you think they should allow the stinky mongrel to lick the oranges...
Just check every one of your posts on this thread, it proves my point and it seems that way with every topic... Relax my friend you seem like a lovely person at times. :highfive:

And I suggest you re-read this thread. I didn't "jump on anyone who said dogs don't belong in grocery stores". I actually agreed with them...

And I find it odd that you refer to the customers in grocery stores as "stinky mongrels"...

[JMintzer]

They should warn them at the front door or in the store that they will not be able to check out at the register.

And then the store will have to restock the items in their cart... Which usually means tossing out the fresh produce and meats...

Unfortunately, it's a lose/lose proposition for them...

[snbrafford]

I read that the Publix at Magnolia Plaza has two large signs that says dogs are not allowed in their store.

Do you think dogs should be allowed in a grocery store?

I think only service animals (and I question the need for some of those)in grocery stores, restaurants, or any stores. I don't hate dogs but don't want to be around their dander and fleas and have to worry about the dog's temperament.

[mikeycereal]

Back in the 80's when I worked at a grocery store we had a customer come in with a big labrador on a leash wearing a small vest. I was working on a checkout register and saw that the young bag girl nearest to me was enamored over seeing the dog. "Ohh..." she cooed and went over and bagged for that customer and when she walked back toward me I could tell she enjoyed the brief interaction. Back then it was rare... only dog that I remember seeing in the store for the 3 years I worked there. These days people freak out over everything, and I mean everything!

[Johnsocat]

No, other than service dogs, (aren’t they all service dogs?) they shouldn’t be allowed in a place that sells food. I love dogs, but not where I go for food.

Don't you have food and eat at home?

[Arlene pugh]

Parasites and dog butts on grocery carts sounds delicious. What’s on the blanket they put underneath. Why not put bare butted children in the cart??

[Whitley]

Only on Doggy Thursday and take your dog shopping Saturdays. Other than that, NO.

[Gpsma]

Only on Doggy Thursday and take your dog shopping Saturdays. Other than that, NO.

And why cant you leave your feces spewing, flea invested, butt licking mongrel at home…EVERY DAY?

[jparsoneau@aol.com]

Love dogs. But no dog should be next to anybody food or next to my food.
And as far as everybody complaining about a dog and a cart? What about all the dirty diapers that have been in that cart before you put your food in there? Just saying some thing to think about. As I no longer use the top of the cart where the babysit or the dog sit

[Ray Greene]

Only leader dogs for the blind should be allowed. No others, not even other service dogs.
Of course pet elephants are always welcome!!!

[VApeople]

I was very pleased to see that our local Publix at Lake Deaton Plaza has a sign on the door stating that pets are not allowed in the store.

The next time I go there I will definitely thank the manager for instituting their new policy.

[dnobles]

Only leader dogs for the blind should be allowed. No others, not even other service dogs.
Of course pet elephants are always welcome!!!

So people that have dogs that detect for diabetics and seizures should not be allowed. Not all services dogs are for the blind. Read Doctor Dogs by Maria Goodavage

[ThirdOfFive]

And why cant you leave your feces spewing, flea invested, butt licking mongrel at home…EVERY DAY?
Helluva way to talk about a man's wife...

[wcsdanzer]

Just "service dogs" that have been vetted in some manner. I am not even sure what a "service dog" is when taking into account the pooches I have seen in some places in the Villages.

A. Under the ADA, a service animal is defined as a dog that has been individually trained to do work or perform tasks for an individual with a disability. The task(s) performed by the dog must be directly related to the person’s disability.

Q3. Are emotional support, therapy, comfort, or companion animals considered service animals under the ADA?
A. No. These terms are used to describe animals that provide comfort just by being with a person. Because they have not been trained to perform a specific job or task, they do not qualify as service animals under the ADA. However, some State or local governments have laws that allow people to take emotional support animals into public places. You may check with your State and local government agencies to find out about these laws.

[samquiros]

I can't find it, but maybe YOU can tell us, when was this NEW meaning of SERVICE Aminals was put into practice?

Last updated: February 28, 2020

[almondz]

Let's face it - it's not a dog problem - it's a people problem - just like so many other issues.

[JMintzer]

I think only service animals (and I question the need for some of those)in grocery stores, restaurants, or any stores. I don't hate dogs but don't want to be around their dander and fleas and have to worry about the dog's temperament.

After reading this (and the other) thread, I'm worried about other PEOPLE'S temperament...

[Lea N]

I read that the Publix at Magnolia Plaza has two large signs that says dogs are not allowed in their store.

Do you think dogs should be allowed in a grocery store?

I am currently without a pet, unfortunately. So when I get to see other people's dogs it makes my day. However, I believe that we have to respect those who have allergies to dogs and keep dogs home. The exception being a medical service dog for those who have medical needs or seeing eye dogs.

[JMintzer]

And why cant you leave your feces spewing, flea invested, butt licking mongrel at home…EVERY DAY?

Looks like someone has lost their sense of humor...

[Lea N]

There are dogs trained to sense seizures before they happen. Having one can help increase someone's independence. A flickering fluorescent light overhead in a supermarket can trigger an epileptic seizure in some people. A trained service dog would press against the owner's leg, warning him that something is about to happen so he can get down to the floor and prepare for it. A service dog would also bark to attract attention, so that his owner can get immediate help.

A PTSD service animal can sense an anxiety attack before it happens, and assist its owner in getting fresh air, or discouraging people from coming too close, or whatever else it's trained to do.

There are service animals who actually pull the wheelchairs of people who have limited use of their hands and legs.

People with mobility problems can use service animals who are trained to provide them with stability and pacing when standing, walking, and sitting back down.

There exist people with psychiatric issues, who can use service dogs to prevent or interrupt impulsive or potentially dangerous behaviors. The dogs are trained to know the signs of a triggering event.

There are others - but those are some examples.

These incredible dogs provide a much needed service for those who truly need a medical service dog.

Guardian Angels Medical Service Dog's provide medical service dog's to individuals, with military and first responders being priority. They do not charge the recipient for the dog. It costs approximately $30K to teach one of these dogs. Typically they use German Shepherds, some (not all) of these dogs are rescue dogs that were hours away from being euthanized.

The work that these dogs do dramatically change the lives of people for the better. These dogs are well trained and will not go to the bathroom on the floor in stores or restaurants. When their person is at a restaurant they are so quiet and still that many people don't even know they are there.

Here is a link to Guardian Angels Medical Service Dogs. Guardian Angels Medical Service Dogs (https://www.medicalservicedogs.org/?gclid=CjwKCAjwxOymBhAFEiwAnodBLFAuerNbhjHFMxjJf9o CSGPKAAu1Y9zKqeYdpk7O9XfE52d4X6o0ABoCNn4QAvD_BwE)

[Elaine Dickinson]

The Food and Drug Administration's Food Guide lays down the law: with few exceptions, live animals of any kind are not permitted on the premises of a grocery store, a restaurant or other food establishment. The prohibition applies to dogs, cats, birds and other animals. Only service animals that are specifically trained to aid a person with disabilities are permitted within a store. Service animals are not permitted to sit or ride in shopping carts.

[Stu4206]

I read that the Publix at Magnolia Plaza has two large signs that says dogs are not allowed in their store.

Do you think dogs should be allowed in a grocery store?

Service dogs only!

[Shimpy]

Of course they should be allowed, accompanied by a person, on a leash, or well trained, or in a cart.


Dogs don't use toilet paper so where ever they set does the job for them including the grocery cart. This also includes your couch, bed, carpet etc.

[JMintzer]

Dogs don't use toilet paper so where ever they set does the job for them including the grocery cart. This also includes your couch, bed, carpet etc.

Just over half of Americans wash their hands after using the bathroom, so there's that...

[I'm Popeye!]

A lot of misinformation and misunderstandings on this thread. If you are interested in learning about service animals, why not go to the source? Service animals are governed by the American with Disabilities Act (ADA). If you review the ADA, and you disagree with it, blaming the Publix manager will not help. Write to your Congressperson.

Service Animals | ADA.gov (https://www.ada.gov/topics/service-animals/)

I can't find it, but maybe YOU can tell us, when was this NEW meaning of SERVICE Aminals was put into practice?

Last updated: February 28, 2020

Thank you, I should have known (:ohdear: Feb. 2020 :rolleyes:)...

[Vermilion Villager]

There are dogs trained to sense seizures before they happen. Having one can help increase someone's independence. A flickering fluorescent light overhead in a supermarket can trigger an epileptic seizure in some people. A trained service dog would press against the owner's leg, warning him that something is about to happen so he can get down to the floor and prepare for it. A service dog would also bark to attract attention, so that his owner can get immediate help.

A PTSD service animal can sense an anxiety attack before it happens, and assist its owner in getting fresh air, or discouraging people from coming too close, or whatever else it's trained to do.

There are service animals who actually pull the wheelchairs of people who have limited use of their hands and legs.

People with mobility problems can use service animals who are trained to provide them with stability and pacing when standing, walking, and sitting back down.

There exist people with psychiatric issues, who can use service dogs to prevent or interrupt impulsive or potentially dangerous behaviors. The dogs are trained to know the signs of a triggering event.

There are others - but those are some examples.
All true examples of Service Dogs.
However.......the stupid little lunchbox size dog yipping and yapping in the shopping cart is not!!!:rant-rave:

[Vermilion Villager]

Minnesota recently passed a law making it a misdemeaner to falsly represent your animal as a service animal. Several organizations, including Can-Do-Canines of New Hope helped write the legislation. We need this here in FL.

Sec. 609.833 MN Statutes (https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/cite/609.833#:~:text=It%20is%20illegal%20for%20a,posses sion%20as%20a%20service%20animal.%22)

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Minnesota recently passed a law making it a misdemeaner to falsly represent your animal as a service animal. Several organizations, including Can-Do-Canines of New Hope helped write the legislation. We need this here in FL.

Sec. 609.833 MN Statutes (https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/cite/609.833#:~:text=It%20is%20illegal%20for%20a,posses sion%20as%20a%20service%20animal.%22)

That statute doesn't include a little tidbit that makes the entire statute a moot point:

It is against federal law to ask someone for proof that their animal is a service animal. And furthermore, there is no "official" service animal certification, federally authorized training or license. Anyone can train an animal to perform a service for them, and by law, that animal is, by definition, a service animal.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

I can't find it, but maybe YOU can tell us, when was this NEW meaning] of SERVICE Animals was put into practice?

It was put into practice some time before this thread started. That's really all that matters. Anyone could have looked it up between then and now, and would've seen the information right there.

Also I fixed your post - you misspelled animals.

[Velvet]

No, I have had dogs my whole life and have never brought them shopping with me. It disgusts me to see a dog sitting in a shopping cart where my merchandise would be. Just ignorant owners.

I agree, Instacart, Amazon, Walmart etc all deliver. And there has to be a way of officially proving that a dog is a service dog - a pass like handicap parking pass etc to be produced on request like a license to bring an animal where otherwise it would not be permitted.
Please don’t say it is my private business what’s wrong with me, the license would not have to say that you have epilepsy or something, or whatever service dogs help with, just that this dog is required to assist you. On the license maybe a photo of the dog. Like a handicap pass it should not be reproducible.

[Fenster]

Gross.

[Laker14]

Some dogs should be allowed, others not. However, some people will bring their dogs even if they shouldn't be allowed, and in fact, fall outside of the description of dogs that are allowed.
I like dogs. I don't love seeing them in grocery stores. But, I don't let it bother me.
The fact is, that fresh fruit you are looking to buy, that came from South America, or Southern California, has spent some time in a warehouse with all kinds of vermin crawling all over it, so you should wash it carefully when you get home anyway. That dog in Aisle 3 is the least of your worries if your concern is food contamination .

[Eg_cruz]

I read that the Publix at Magnolia Plaza has two large signs that says dogs are not allowed in their store.

Do you think dogs should be allowed in a grocery store?
100% no. Went to Publix on 466 and there were 3 dogs in the store, it’s 96 out and all I think about was how selfish the owners were.
Leave dogs at home were they are cool and safe.

[miharris]

REAL service dogs, yes. Pets, absolutely not! In fact, I actually think pets are prohibited by federal law (FDA) law, AND it is against the law misrepresent your pet as a service animal.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

REAL service dogs, yes. Pets, absolutely not! In fact, I actually think pets are prohibited by federal law (FDA) law, AND it is against the law misrepresent your pet as a service animal.

Unfortunately it's also against the law to require proof that someone's animal is a service animal. You can ask someone if their animal is a service animal. You can ask what kinds of services that animal is trained to perform. You canNOT ask them what it's trained to perform "for the person" - or whether that is THEIR service animal. The law is incredibly nitpicky and specific. And clear. If the person says yes, then you are required to accept their answer.

HOWEVER

If that dog misbehaves in any way, you still reserve the right to order its handler to leave, and take the dog with them.

Four on the floor (no carts, strollers, carried in arms).
On a short, non-retractable leash.
Heeled at all times, out of the way of other customers.
No sniffing at the food or other customers.
No one other than the handler should be permitted to touch the dog (if you say "sure you can pet him!" then he's not there as a service animal).

[CoachKandSportsguy]

NO!

[JGibson]

So then, you're saying it's OK to pile poop on top of poop... :coolsmiley:

Huh? What does that even mean?

I don't own a dog but it doesn't bother me if a well behaved dog is in a store. Some times the dogs are better behaved than the humans in the store.

I'm more concerned with our food being made in laboratories and the filthy restaurant kitchens, you can add Waffle House to the long list of restaurants that have received violations for bad food handling recently in TV.

I lost track of how many times IHOP has been closed due to rodent infestation.

I love Publix and if no dogs is their policy so be it, I'm not losing sleep over it but I would still be more concerned with what so called food we're putting in our bodies.

Oh, just checking are cats still allowed in the store in a baby carriage. lol.

[Bilyclub]

Huh? What does that even mean?

I don't own a dog but it doesn't bother me if a well behaved dog is in a store. Some times the dogs are better behaved than the humans in the store.

I'm more concerned with our food being made in laboratories and the filthy restaurant kitchens, you can add Waffle House to the long list of restaurants that have received violations for bad food handling recently in TV.

I lost track of how many times IHOP has been closed due to rodent infestation.

I love Publix and if no dogs is their policy so be it, I'm not losing sleep over it but I would still be more concerned with what so called food we're putting in our bodies.

Oh, just checking are cats still allowed in the store in a baby carriage. lol.



It's not just a policy. It's Florida law.
Time To Call Law Enforcement? More Dogs In Publix, Despite Sign - BocaNewsNow.com (https://bocanewsnow.com/2023/04/30/time-to-call-law-enforcement-more-dogs-in-publix-despite-sign/)

[OhioBuckeye]

Good point!

[Velvet]

Unfortunately it's also against the law to require proof that someone's animal is a service animal. You can ask someone if their animal is a service animal. You can ask what kinds of services that animal is trained to perform. You canNOT ask them what it's trained to perform "for the person" - or whether that is THEIR service animal. The law is incredibly nitpicky and specific. And clear. If the person says yes, then you are required to accept their answer.

HOWEVER

If that dog misbehaves in any way, you still reserve the right to order its handler to leave, and take the dog with them.

Four on the floor (no carts, strollers, carried in arms).
On a short, non-retractable leash.
Heeled at all times, out of the way of other customers.
No sniffing at the food or other customers.
No one other than the handler should be permitted to touch the dog (if you say "sure you can pet him!" then he's not there as a service animal).

It’s against the law to require proof if an animal is a service animal makes as much sense as asking a person for their driver’s license when they drove questionably. Because there is so much abuse of it right now, that law needs to be modified.

[fdpaq0580]

Some dogs should be allowed, others not. However, some people will bring their dogs even if they shouldn't be allowed, and in fact, fall outside of the description of dogs that are allowed.
I like dogs. I don't love seeing them in grocery stores. But, I don't let it bother me.
The fact is, that fresh fruit you are looking to buy, that came from South America, or Southern California, has spent some time in a warehouse with all kinds of vermin crawling all over it, so you should wash it carefully when you get home anyway. That dog in Aisle 3 is the least of your worries if your concern is food contamination .

Thanks for the visual. I may never eat again.

[Laker14]

Thanks for the visual. I may never eat again.

it is what it is. It won't kill you. I've also worked in the restaurant biz. That won't kill you either, but if you think it's a sterile atmosphere, well....best you just keep on thinking that.

And, in the "it is what it is" department, there is this...

"The FDA allows up to 30 insect fragments and one rodent hair to be detected in every 100 grams of peanut butter. A standard jar of peanut butter is often between 300 to 500 grams.

This means that a single jar of peanut butter can have around five rodent hairs and 150 insect fragments and still pass inspection. " (source: The Daily Mail")

[Charm1]

On a leash they can wiz on the shelf, in the cart hopefully the owner will step in the puddle instead. Yes have witnessed both issues more I care to count.

Those who have to take their dogs in the grocery are rarely well trained.

Correct! I saw this about six months ago at Winn Dixie as a woman had two dogs inside the cart and they were making a big mess. I mentioned it to a clerk, who said they couldn't do anything about it (even though there is a sign on the door that pets are not allowed). I asked for a manager and told him and he said there was nothing they could do, except that they would be sanitizing the cart after the lady left.
I watched and she left the store with the dogs still in the cart, put them in her car and then the cart was added to the others in the parking lot. No sanitization was going to be done. :MOJE_whot:

[I'm Popeye!]

That statute doesn't include a little tidbit that makes the entire statute a moot point:

It is against federal law to ask someone for proof that their animal is a service animal. And furthermore, there is no "official" service animal certification, federally authorized training or license. Anyone can train an animal to perform a service for them, and by law, that animal is, by definition, a service animal.

Lately, Its an upside-down country, but most :0000000000luvmyhors like it that way...

[I'm Popeye!]

It was put into practice some time before this thread started. That's really all that matters. Anyone could have looked it up between then and now, and would've seen the information right there.

Also, I fixed your post - you misspelled animals.

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[I'm Popeye!]

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[kkingston57]

No, other than service dogs, (aren’t they all service dogs?) they shouldn’t be allowed in a place that sells food. I love dogs, but not where I go for food.

Brother has a real service dog. It went through 15 months of training. Many of these "service dogs" are what I call comfort dogs.

[Byte1]

No. It is disgusting and unhygienic to have a dog near my food, or in my grocery cart etc … and yes I am a dog lover. A dog is not of human species and will never become one no matter how much you might want it to, or love it.

UNLESS it identifies as a human...:pepper2:

[Byte1]

I really believe The Village attitude is "do not upset the Villagers" which is ridiculous. Remember the toilet paper sell out during the pandemic .... well I do, I have never seen so many crazy rude old people trying to stock up on toilet paper.

Folks do not become "crazy rude old people" once they move to The Villages. They were like that before they moved here.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

True story - happened today.

You know the lady who LITERALLY drags her ancient little dog around Spanish Springs sometimes when the bands are playing, the dog with only three working legs, and the back left is non-functional? She walks faster than the dog can keep up so she ends up - I kid you not - dragging the poor thing.

Today I'm at the supermarket, and there she is, with the dog. Comes up behind me in the checkout line. Now mind you - I've recently had surgery to remove a malignant melanoma from my calf, and have only started walking around without keeping it covered, after 3 weeks of waiting for it to heal enough for that. Doctor says it's good to go but I still have a thin layer of ointment on it to keep it moist.

So what does that poor decrepit tortured abused dog do? It comes up to my leg and starts sniffing it.

Because nothing says "service animal" like dog-germs and fur on a healing scab. Of COURSE I said "hey!" to get the lady's attention. She doesn't even look me in the eye, and mumbles "sorry."

Sorry my left butt cheek. If you were REALLY sorry you would've kept your dog home. Or better still - allowed someone to adopt him years ago who wouldn't torture him every time you want to leave the house.

If you're that lady, and you're reading this, I hope your dog pees on your shoes every day until the day it finally is rid of you.

[Byte1]

So someone who needs a dog that can detect an on coming seizure or diabetic attack must stay home right

Ha! And all these little rascals are trained for that, right? Com'on, Man!

[JMintzer]

It's not just a policy. It's Florida law.
Time To Call Law Enforcement? More Dogs In Publix, Despite Sign - BocaNewsNow.com (https://bocanewsnow.com/2023/04/30/time-to-call-law-enforcement-more-dogs-in-publix-despite-sign/)

That's not what the article says...

[Michael G.]

You would think the state of Florida and retail businesses would be working together
through Florida's sanitation laws, (if there are any), to keep animals out of any establishment
that deals with food service.

Or insert common sense in pet owners.

[PersonOfInterest]

Does anybody want to disclose WHY they don't want a Dog in the grocery Store? There are hundreds/Thousands of homes that have dogs in the home and they are most likely around the food and and in the food preparation locations of the home. How do you see a dog in a grocery store being a problem?

[Two Bills]

Do people take their dogs to church these days?
Not been in one for many decades.
Genuine question.

[Two Bills]

Does anybody want to disclose WHY they don't want a Dog in the grocery Store?

Same reason they do not allow them in Operating Theaters.

[Laker14]

Same reason they do not allow them in Operating Theaters.

they don't let ANYONE in the OR unless they are scrubbed, gloved, and gowned. I don't think that standard would apply well in Publix.

[Two Bills]

they don't let ANYONE in the OR unless they are scrubbed, gloved, and gowned. I don't think that standard would apply well in Publix.

Not for shoppers, just for dogs!:)

[Bay Kid]

Do people take their dogs to church these days?
Not been in one for many decades.
Genuine question.

I have not seen them in my church. And we shouldn't.

[Dotneko]

Does anybody want to disclose WHY they don't want a Dog in the grocery Store? There are hundreds/Thousands of homes that have dogs in the home and they are most likely around the food and and in the food preparation locations of the home. How do you see a dog in a grocery store being a problem?

Because that dog's butt, nose, paws are everywhere. If you read the above stories, the owners cant stop them from defecating in the store. Or ****ing on the low level foodstuffs. If they put them in the cart, then they spread that crap onto the cart and then onto the next persons food that uses that cart.

If I go to a home and see the owners dog is into everything, I wont be eating there either.
The dogs lick their behinds and kiss the owners faces? How mentally deficient can a person be to think that is OK?

[Cybersprings]

Do people take their dogs to church these days?
Not been in one for many decades.
Genuine question.

There is a lady in my church in Michigan that brings hers every Sunday.

[Dlpdo]

Why is it necessary for a dog to be brought in a store around other people's food? What good would a service dog even provide while in a grocery store? Sorry but unless you are blind I don't get it.

There are many kinds of trained service dogs. Some can even warn their owners of an impending seizure, then help the owner to the ground as well as maneuver to provide a cushion for the owners head so that it does not hit the ground repeatedly.

[Fredster]

There are many kinds of trained service dogs. Some can even warn their owners of an impending seizure, then help the owner to the ground as well as maneuver to provide a cushion for the owners head so that it does not hit the ground repeatedly.

Specially trained service dogs are one thing,
but pets and comfort dogs are not welcome in food stores IMHO!

[fdpaq0580]

I agree, Instacart, Amazon, Walmart etc all deliver. And there has to be a way of officially proving that a dog is a service dog - a pass like handicap parking pass etc to be produced on request like a license to bring an animal where otherwise it would not be permitted.
Please don’t say it is my private business what’s wrong with me, the license would not have to say that you have epilepsy or something, or whatever service dogs help with, just that this dog is required to assist you. On the license maybe a photo of the dog. Like a handicap pass it should not be reproducible.

With the delivery services available, no one actually needs to go into a store, especially if they need to drag a dog with them.
Also, many people who have medical issues wear medic-alert tags incase the have attacks or seizures. For the protection of the patient and the dog, both should have tags issued by government.

[bilcon]

Just "service dogs" that have been vetted in some manner. I am not even sure what a "service dog" is when taking into account the pooches I have seen in some places in the Villages.

Every time this topic comes up, it reminds me of the time when a black lab was brought into Ben, Bath and Beyond and proceeded to take a "dump" on the floor. The dog's owner quickly took the dog back outside, but never returned to clean up the mass. Leave them home. I don't want them in a shopping cart that I put my perishables in. I really love dogs, just not in stores.

[Michael G.]

Does anybody want to disclose WHY they don't want a Dog in the grocery Store? There are hundreds/Thousands of homes that have dogs in the home and they are most likely around the food and and in the food preparation locations of the home. How do you see a dog in a grocery store being a problem?

Your home is your business what dogs do or where they go.

Public places is a different then your home where products are consumed
and bought without dog/cat hair in/on them.

[brianherlihy]

i was in lows and a dog peed on the floor and he just went out side

[Bay Kid]

There are many kinds of trained service dogs. Some can even warn their owners of an impending seizure, then help the owner to the ground as well as maneuver to provide a cushion for the owners head so that it does not hit the ground repeatedly.

I understand but they are few. This is about all the other privileged owners/dogs.

[Caymus]

Does anybody want to disclose WHY they don't want a Dog in the grocery Store? There are hundreds/Thousands of homes that have dogs in the home and they are most likely around the food and and in the food preparation locations of the home. How do you see a dog in a grocery store being a problem?

Are you actually asking why normal people do not want to encounter dog feces and urine when shopping?

[MX rider]

Are you actually asking why normal people do not want to encounter dog feces and urine when shopping?

Exactly! Why is it so hard for the entitled dog owners to understand this?

[Stu from NYC]

Are you actually asking why normal people do not want to encounter dog feces and urine when shopping?

You beat me to it. Just shaking my head at that comment.

[Velvet]

Does anybody want to disclose WHY they don't want a Dog in the grocery Store? There are hundreds/Thousands of homes that have dogs in the home and they are most likely around the food and and in the food preparation locations of the home. How do you see a dog in a grocery store being a problem?

Yes. I don’t like an animal which eats **** to lick my food or sit in my grocery cart. I don’t appreciate animals which are not clean at other peoples’ homes either. The groomed ones are fine. But not to lick your plate or something. Now it is true that some of my friends keep their dog cleaner than themselves so those dogs are okay to sit in my lap.

[Troopie]

No, no, no, no, no!
I love dogs, but there is absolutely no reason to take them with you everywhere you go. It's ridiculous. Except for service dogs, of course.

[coffeebean]

No! "Real" Service Dogs yes but only on a leash walking on the floor. Please dear lord do not put a dog or "any" pet in a shopping cart where I put my actual groceries!

I feel the same way about kids sitting in the main part of grocery carts. Their shoes are contaminated with who knows what they have walked in. I would like to see grocery store employees prohibit kids from riding inside the main part of the grocery carts for this reason.

[coffeebean]

NO!!! If an individual cannot leave the dog home, then they should have their groceries delivered.
That is a great suggestion.

[coffeebean]

No, other than service animals, there should be no dogs (cats, mice, horses, peacocks) in a grocery store. That's the easy part.

The hard part is, what would you have the store do? Don't say, "keep them out," explain how the store manager should do that.

Should they have security at the front of the store? What would the security do? Should they block the path of anyone attempting to enter with a pet? Should they take people by the arm and physically remove them from the store? Should they call the police and have customers arrested? Knowing that whatever they do will wind up on the front page of the paper, how should they treat their pet-owning customers?
I think I saw this on the other thread and I agree with this.........management should not allow the person with their pet to check out at the register. That will surely relay a message and that person will refrain from coming back into the store again with their pet. That seems reasonable to me.

[coffeebean]

No, other than service animals, there should be no dogs (cats, mice, horses, peacocks) in a grocery store. That's the easy part.

The hard part is, what would you have the store do? Don't say, "keep them out," explain how the store manager should do that.

Should they have security at the front of the store? What would the security do? Should they block the path of anyone attempting to enter with a pet? Should they take people by the arm and physically remove them from the store? Should they call the police and have customers arrested? Knowing that whatever they do will wind up on the front page of the paper, how should they treat their pet-owning customers?
I think I saw this suggestion on the other thread and I agree with this.........management should not allow the person with their pet to check out at the register. That will surely relay a message and that person will refrain from coming back into the store again with their pet. That seems reasonable to me.

[coffeebean]

Anytime I see any animal in a shopping cart, I walk out of the store.
Do you do the same when you see kids with their contaminated shoes riding in the main part of a shopping cart?

[Velvet]

Do you do the same when you see kids with their contaminated shoes riding in the main part of a shopping cart?

The thing is, what do you do with the kid? Unlike the dog you can’t leave it at home alone.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

The thing is, what do you do with the kid? Unlike the dog you can’t leave it at home alone.

1. Put them in the kiddie section in the front of the cart, where they're supposed to go.
2. Make them walk.
3. Roll them around in a stroller with a basket attached for people who have kids and go shopping with them.
4. Use the "kiddie cart" if the store provides them for customers with young kids.

Kids don't belong in the basket of the shopping cart.