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patfla06
08-14-2023, 12:32 PM
Since we’re in Hurricane Season, with the water so unusually warm, I worry
about if a Hurricane hits that water.

I don’t remember ever seeing the temps being this hot in the 26 years
I’ve lived in Florida.

Keefelane66
08-14-2023, 12:43 PM
You just don’t understand we’re in a 8 years cooling trend that’s been repeated several times in Weather Forum.
You see I see it but others don't
Ross Island wit have a high of -34° and a low of -51° atmospheric conditions at clear.
My unofficial weather station says it’s 98° in the shade…

kkingston57
08-14-2023, 01:25 PM
Since we’re in Hurricane Season, with the water so unusually warm, I worry
about if a Hurricane hits that water.

I don’t remember ever seeing the temps being this hot in the 26 years
I’ve lived in Florida.

Scary thoughts. Will be interesting to see what happens. Andrew was a meandering storm 2 days prior to hitting south of Miami

golfing eagles
08-14-2023, 02:16 PM
Since we’re in Hurricane Season, with the water so unusually warm, I worry
about if a Hurricane hits that water.

I don’t remember ever seeing the temps being this hot in the 26 years
I’ve lived in Florida.

Tropical weather that drifts over from Africa always hits the warm water of the Caribbean and Gulf. Please tell us you didn't believe that idiotic report that water temperature in key Largo was 101.1. Pretty amazing when you consider a 12,000 gallon pool on your lanai reaches 87 with no waves pulling in cooler water from deeper areas, but the 22 trillion gallon Atlantic gets to 101.1 with constant waves hitting the shore. I call BS, double BS and triple BS. Somebody must think we're pretty stupid.

bob47
08-14-2023, 02:37 PM
More like 82 quintillion gallons. But what's six orders of magnitude among friends?

bsloan1960
08-15-2023, 11:04 AM
Since we’re in Hurricane Season, with the water so unusually warm, I worry
about if a Hurricane hits that water.

I don’t remember ever seeing the temps being this hot in the 26 years
I’ve lived in Florida.
We may see hurricanes forming over the hot swimming pools. 96 degrees last evening- 99 a couple of weeks ago.

oldtimes
08-15-2023, 11:17 AM
OMG yes, let’s have another climate discussion thread!

larbud
08-15-2023, 11:51 AM
Since we’re in Hurricane Season, with the water so unusually warm, I worry
about if a Hurricane hits that water.

I don’t remember ever seeing the temps being this hot in the 26 years
I’ve lived in Florida.

You probably don’t remember because the gubments agenda wasn’t quite as intense as now..Just sayin👎🏿

JMintzer
08-15-2023, 01:53 PM
OMG yes, let’s have another climate discussion thread!

Why not? I'm sure everyone with change their minds... This time...

golfing eagles
08-15-2023, 02:26 PM
Why not? I'm sure everyone with change their minds... This time...

Doubt it---most are ill-equipped:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

shut the front door
08-15-2023, 05:08 PM
Tropical weather that drifts over from Africa always hits the warm water of the Caribbean and Gulf. Please tell us you didn't believe that idiotic report that water temperature in key Largo was 101.1. Pretty amazing when you consider a 12,000 gallon pool on your lanai reaches 87 with no waves pulling in cooler water from deeper areas, but the 22 trillion gallon Atlantic gets to 101.1 with constant waves hitting the shore. I call BS, double BS and triple BS. Somebody must think we're pretty stupid.

My pool is set for 88 degrees and the heater has had to come on every day. My lanai must be exempt?

Bill14564
08-15-2023, 05:16 PM
My pool is set for 88 degrees and the heater has had to come on every day. My lanai must be exempt?

Mine is set for 90 but I believe it is currently sitting at 99. Yours is more exempt than mine.

(Are you sure it is the heater coming on and not a pre-set filter cycle?)

shut the front door
08-15-2023, 05:20 PM
Mine is set for 90 but I believe it is currently sitting at 99. Yours is more exempt than mine.

(Are you sure it is the heater coming on and not a pre-set filter cycle?)

No, it's the heater. I have a huge live oak in my back yard that blocks the sun for half the day. Very annoying that my pool won't even hit 90 in this weather.

ScottGo
08-15-2023, 06:17 PM
90+ in Dec Jan & Feb not summer (may - oct) key reason for not using a pool for me.

rustyp
08-16-2023, 05:56 AM
Tropical weather that drifts over from Africa always hits the warm water of the Caribbean and Gulf. Please tell us you didn't believe that idiotic report that water temperature in key Largo was 101.1. Pretty amazing when you consider a 12,000 gallon pool on your lanai reaches 87 with no waves pulling in cooler water from deeper areas, but the 22 trillion gallon Atlantic gets to 101.1 with constant waves hitting the shore. I call BS, double BS and triple BS. Somebody must think we're pretty stupid.

No, it's the heater. I have a huge live oak in my back yard that blocks the sun for half the day. Very annoying that my pool won't even hit 90 in this weather.

That explains the low ocean temps - lots of shade out in the gulf.

Transplant
08-16-2023, 06:45 AM
So when the increased amount of hurricanes don't materialize, they will be pushing a new narrative of a severe winter (think polar vortex) with lots of snow.

golfing eagles
08-16-2023, 06:48 AM
So when the increased amount of hurricanes don't materialize, they will be pushing a new narrative of a severe winter (think polar vortex) with lots of snow.

And "they" will blame that on global warming as well:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

coconutmama
08-16-2023, 07:53 AM
My pool is set for 88 degrees and the heater has had to come on every day. My lanai must be exempt?

Guess so. Our pool water hit 91 degrees on Sunday. No heater on for months.

Vermilion Villager
08-16-2023, 08:13 AM
Tropical weather that drifts over from Africa always hits the warm water of the Caribbean and Gulf. Please tell us you didn't believe that idiotic report that water temperature in key Largo was 101.1. Pretty amazing when you consider a 12,000 gallon pool on your lanai reaches 87 with no waves pulling in cooler water from deeper areas, but the 22 trillion gallon Atlantic gets to 101.1 with constant waves hitting the shore. I call BS, double BS and triple BS. Somebody must think we're pretty stupid.
You gots some proof it wasn't a correct temp reading?
As far as the pool theory. You have a circulating pump. It continually circulates water from a shaded area. If you don't believe me shut the pump off for four or five days and then tell me what the temperature is.:wave:

Haggar
08-16-2023, 08:50 AM
Tropical weather that drifts over from Africa always hits the warm water of the Caribbean and Gulf. Please tell us you didn't believe that idiotic report that water temperature in key Largo was 101.1. Pretty amazing when you consider a 12,000 gallon pool on your lanai reaches 87 with no waves pulling in cooler water from deeper areas, but the 22 trillion gallon Atlantic gets to 101.1 with constant waves hitting the shore. I call BS, double BS and triple BS. Somebody must think we're pretty stupid.

I'm tired of the non-stop bs about the 7 year cooling trend you espouse at every occasion.

See the attached article. One of many articles about this "statistic" you use to "prove" your case and deny we have a problem.

Steven Hawking - before his death - stated mankind wouldn't be around by 2100. I'm in the camp if you deniers don't stop burying your heads in the sand he'll be right.

Tell the people who have died because of the continuing heat wave we don't have a problem.

Fact Check-Eight cooler years cannot be extrapolated to draw conclusions on long-term global warming | Reuters (https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-noaa-global-cooling/fact-check-eight-cooler-years-cannot-be-extrapolated-to-draw-conclusions-on-long-term-global-warming-idUSL1N34J26C)

tophcfa
08-16-2023, 08:55 AM
No worries for another month. The tropical storm activity typically remains very quiet until mid September, when they follow my wife and I down the east coast on our way to the Villages. We brought Ian down with us last year.

And besides, FROGS love hurricanes, they keep most of the Snowbirds away for a couple extra months.

bcsnave
08-16-2023, 09:13 AM
And "they" will blame that on global warming as well:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

The polar vortex is GREAT for Golfing Eagles
Bald Eagles Play with Golf Ball on Frozen Lake - ViralHog (https://viralhog.com/v?t=ak5dj3ghof)

maistocars
08-16-2023, 09:41 AM
Since we’re in Hurricane Season, with the water so unusually warm, I worry
about if a Hurricane hits that water.

I don’t remember ever seeing the temps being this hot in the 26 years
I’ve lived in Florida.
Unusually warm water temps? Huh? May want to reread the thread a few weeks ago that called that biased report bogus.

Bill14564
08-16-2023, 09:49 AM
Unusually warm water temps? Huh? May want to reread the thread a few weeks ago that called that biased report bogus.

I recall one or two posters claiming it was bogus but others pointed out the opposite.

The high temp readings are still in the history for that particular buoy.

I have not seen any articles stating the readings were bogus. Please add links if there are some that I missed.

justjim
08-16-2023, 09:55 AM
You just don’t understand we’re in a 8 years cooling trend that’s been repeated several times in Weather Forum.
You see I see it but others don't
Ross Island wit have a high of -34° and a low of -51° atmospheric conditions at clear.
My unofficial weather station says it’s 98° in the shade…

OP, is talking about water temps. plain and simple and how they could make a hurricane more powerful. “People will generally accept facts as truth only if the facts agree with what they already believe”. Andy Rooney. The water temps in the Atlantic are currently more warmer than usual. That the facts plain and simple and as the OP said this is not good for a new hurricane.

justjim
08-16-2023, 10:07 AM
Your swimming pool temp (with a pump circulating the water) is not the same as the temp of the Atlantic or the Gulf. Apples and oranges. “You can be young over half of your life but you can be immature and stubborn all of your life.” Anonymous

Normal
08-16-2023, 10:53 AM
We are still less likely to have a hurricane this year. The conditions are impacted by so many other variables. Underwater currents contribute to water temps much more than ambient temperatures. Anyone who tries to frame this as just the sun being hotter is untruthful and not scientific. Holistically all inputs for water temperature are needed for a substantial hypothesis of cause. The Sigsbee Deep is within mean for the year, however the North Equatorial is about.3 degrees warmer with a Standard Deviation of 1 degree Celsius. Gulf Stream water isn’t as heavily exchanging with the Northern Atlantic currents.

Keep in mind we should be at solar Maximus which now is peaking in late December? This breaks slightly from the 2025 prediction, but is by no means atypical of the 11 year cycle variation. Currents should cool if the suns rays do their flip by April giving us a much cooler ambient temp AND current changes again.

Without throwing too much into all the water temperatures amalgamations, we seem to be having heavier Sahara winds latent with dust. The dust suppresses storm activity quite a bit.

If you are into agenda driven hype, there are 3 storms in the Atlantic now. Fun fact: since 1851 only eighteen hurricane seasons passed without a known storm impacting the state of Florida. We average a little over 3 per season.

golfing eagles
08-16-2023, 01:12 PM
You gots some proof it wasn't a correct temp reading?
As far as the pool theory. You have a circulating pump. It continually circulates water from a shaded area. If you don't believe me shut the pump off for four or five days and then tell me what the temperature is.:wave:

Proof? Here's the proof: IT'S NOT POSSIBLE!

And you think that a 4 foot deep 12,000 gallon pool with a circulating pump is a good analogy to a 20,000 foot deep 22 quintillion gallon ocean. PPPPLLLLEEEEEZZZZEEEEE:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

golfing eagles
08-16-2023, 01:17 PM
I'm tired of the non-stop bs about the 7 year cooling trend you espouse at every occasion.

See the attached article. One of many articles about this "statistic" you use to "prove" your case and deny we have a problem.

Steven Hawking - before his death - stated mankind wouldn't be around by 2100. I'm in the camp if you deniers don't stop burying your heads in the sand he'll be right.

Tell the people who have died because of the continuing heat wave we don't have a problem.

Fact Check-Eight cooler years cannot be extrapolated to draw conclusions on long-term global warming | Reuters (https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-noaa-global-cooling/fact-check-eight-cooler-years-cannot-be-extrapolated-to-draw-conclusions-on-long-term-global-warming-idUSL1N34J26C)

First of all, I'M NOT THE POSTER WHO ESPOUSES THAT 7 YEAR COOLING TREND, so direct that comment where it belongs.

That being said, I tend to agree with that person in general, except I've said neither side can use this year, 7 years, or even 200 years to predict a change in cycles that have been repeating for 4 1/2 million years.

And people dying in this "heat wave"???? Really???? You're right, this year is the first year, EVER, that people died in a "heat wave". right??? What a joke! :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Hank’s mom
08-16-2023, 01:26 PM
Tropical weather that drifts over from Africa always hits the warm water of the Caribbean and Gulf. Please tell us you didn't believe that idiotic report that water temperature in key Largo was 101.1. Pretty amazing when you consider a 12,000 gallon pool on your lanai reaches 87 with no waves pulling in cooler water from deeper areas, but the 22 trillion gallon Atlantic gets to 101.1 with constant waves hitting the shore. I call BS, double BS and triple BS. Somebody must think we're pretty stupid.
I think I spotted a stupid one!

bcsnave
08-16-2023, 01:32 PM
Your swimming pool temp (with a pump circulating the water) is not the same as the temp of the Atlantic or the Gulf. Apples and oranges. “You can be young over half of your life but you can be immature and stubborn all of your life.” Anonymous


Yeah...pool water can be warmed up by many different methods...just saying

Southwest737
08-16-2023, 01:40 PM
Just returned from scuba trip in Key West. Water temperature was 91 or 92 everyday on the Gulf side. Past years it was 86 to 88 in mid August.

Byte1
08-16-2023, 01:42 PM
Hmmm, I wonder how much underwater volcanoes contribute to warm oceans/seas.

justjim
08-16-2023, 01:48 PM
Just returned from scuba trip in Key West. Water temperature was 91 or 92 everyday on the Gulf side. Past years it was 86 to 88 in mid August.

Thanks for your report.

bcsnave
08-16-2023, 01:50 PM
Just returned from scuba trip in Key West. Water temperature was 91 or 92 everyday on the Gulf side. Past years it was 86 to 88 in mid August.

And to reiterate my point..

A single fin whale is thought to produce around 1,000 liters (260 gallons) of urine each day — enough to fill a 10-by-6-foot kiddie pool.

Or heaven forbid the warm Yellow feces from the blue whale...

get em' out of the Ocean they are contributing to water temperature rise

shut the front door
08-16-2023, 01:51 PM
Your swimming pool temp (with a pump circulating the water) is not the same as the temp of the Atlantic or the Gulf. Apples and oranges. “You can be young over half of your life but you can be immature and stubborn all of your life.” Anonymous

The people talking about pool temps are giving this subject the exact amount of seriousness that it deserves. NONE.

bcsnave
08-16-2023, 01:53 PM
The people talking about pool temps are giving this subject the exact amount of seriousness that it deserves. NONE.

WTF????? (well that's funny)

golfing eagles
08-16-2023, 01:55 PM
I think I spotted a stupid one!

To paraphrase Charlton Heston as Moses in "The Ten Commandments" to Pharoah:

"Out of your own mouth you have condemned yourself."

Bill14564
08-16-2023, 01:55 PM
Proof? Here's the proof: IT'S NOT POSSIBLE!

And you think that a 4 foot deep 12,000 gallon pool with a circulating pump is a good analogy to a 20,000 foot deep 22 quintillion gallon ocean. PPPPLLLLEEEEEZZZZEEEEE:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

I wouldn't be so sure about not possible.

Looking at the data though, it's concerning. I found data for three buoys plus the MNBF1 that registered the high temperature. Today, three of them show a little over 87 degrees and MNBF1 shows a little over 89 degrees. There could be all sorts of valid reasons why MNBF1 reads two degrees higher. However, on the hot day MNBF1 read almost six degrees higher. Six degrees is still not impossible but it makes it a little harder to believe.

Whatever the case, while MNBF1 showed the absolute highest temperature it does not seem to be typical of the ocean around it. The three buoys around it all show similar temperatures: 87.3 degrees today and 95.6 degrees on the hot day.

golfing eagles
08-16-2023, 01:58 PM
I wouldn't be so sure about not possible.

Looking at the data though, it's concerning. I found data for three buoys plus the MNBF1 that registered the high temperature. Today, three of them show a little over 87 degrees and MNBF1 shows a little over 89 degrees. There could be all sorts of valid reasons why MNBF1 reads two degrees higher. However, on the hot day MNBF1 read almost six degrees higher. Six degrees is still not impossible but it makes it a little harder to believe.

Whatever the case, while MNBF1 showed the absolute highest temperature it does not seem to be typical of the ocean around it. The three buoys around it all show similar temperatures: 87.3 degrees today and 95.6 degrees on the hot day.

Sure, Ocean temps of 87 in the Gulf are pretty much the norm, maybe a degree or 2 high. But 101.1 just isn't possible--the laws of thermodynamics prohibit it.

Bill14564
08-16-2023, 01:59 PM
Hmmm, I wonder how much underwater volcanoes contribute to warm oceans/seas.

In Manatee Bay between Key Largo and main Florida?? Not very much!

bcsnave
08-16-2023, 01:59 PM
I wouldn't be so sure about not possible.

Looking at the data though, it's concerning. I found data for three buoys plus the MNBF1 that registered the high temperature. Today, three of them show a little over 87 degrees and MNBF1 shows a little over 89 degrees. There could be all sorts of valid reasons why MNBF1 reads two degrees higher. However, on the hot day MNBF1 read almost six degrees higher. Six degrees is still not impossible but it makes it a little harder to believe.

Whatever the case, while MNBF1 showed the absolute highest temperature it does not seem to be typical of the ocean around it. The three buoys around it all show similar temperatures: 87.3 degrees today and 95.6 degrees on the hot day.

Perhaps there are a lot of whales swimming in the area? Who knows

Bill14564
08-16-2023, 02:07 PM
Sure, Ocean temps of 87 in the Gulf are pretty much the norm, maybe a degree or 2 high. But 101.1 just isn't possible--the laws of thermodynamics prohibit it.

Which laws of thermodynamics prevent water from being heated by direct sunlight or warmed by other material in the water that is being heated by the sunlight?

101 seems off, particularly given the difference from the 95.6 degrees measured by the neighboring buoys. Even if it is accurate, the explanation for why it was so different might negate the value of the measurement.

Haggar
08-16-2023, 02:17 PM
First of all, I'M NOT THE POSTER WHO ESPOUSES THAT 7 YEAR COOLING TREND, so direct that comment where it belongs.

That being said, I tend to agree with that person in general, except I've said neither side can use this year, 7 years, or even 200 years to predict a change in cycles that have been repeating for 4 1/2 million years.

And people dying in this "heat wave"???? Really???? You're right, this year is the first year, EVER, that people died in a "heat wave". right??? What a joke! :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:


You're right about heat waves. In 1936 5000 people died from heat during the Oklahoma and surrounding area dust storms and heat. Don't see what the temperatures were in 1936.

Sorry If you thought I was directing this at you. It was directed at the posters that have made a definite judgment based upon studies that may or not be valid but seem to have made up their minds that only they are right. It would seem the "weather club" only has presentations that support the one theory. If I am wrong on this please correct me.

bcsnave
08-16-2023, 02:54 PM
That explains the low ocean temps - lots of shade out in the gulf.

I think I found the guy responsible for the high temps by the MFBN1 bouy

golfing eagles
08-16-2023, 02:55 PM
You're right about heat waves. In 1936 5000 people died from heat during the Oklahoma and surrounding area dust storms and heat. Don't see what the temperatures were in 1936.

Sorry If you thought I was directing this at you. It was directed at the posters that have made a definite judgment based upon studies that may or not be valid but seem to have made up their minds that only they are right. It would seem the "weather club" only has presentations that support the one theory. If I am wrong on this please correct me.

No problem. I don't know anything about the weather club, but from posts on TOTV it seems like it may be one sided.

I've been quite vocal about this topic, but my point has always been that we just don't know.

We do know that we are in a 4 1/2-million-year-old ice age marked by cycles of glaciation and interglacial thaws of about 100,000 years. We do know that our current geological era is one of the, if not the coolest in the history of the Earth. We do know that these cycles have been repeating themselves many times, driven by the power of the sun, and changes in Earth's orbit around the sun and Earth's axis---all without the aid of human activity.

What we don't know is whether human activity of the past 200 years has put us on a new trajectory that is warming us faster than would have been otherwise without human contribution. And if it is, we don't know to what extent that will manifest itself---trivial or catastrophic.

That being said, there appears to be an agenda at work to not only push the catastrophic possibility, but also to make it appear much more imminent than is actually possible. Somebody quoted Stephen Hawkins as proposing that humans will be extinct in another 77 years. If so, it will be because we blew ourselves up or got wiped out by some super virus, but not because of climate change. It takes thousands of years to change the climate (not the weather).
Whenever there is the possibility of an agenda, there is usually a few people that stand to profit monetarily or politically. Naturally, those people can't wait thousands of years, so they have to push an agenda that basically claims the sky is falling and we have to act now---that act being the expenditure of 131 TRILLION dollars to follow the Paris accords. Now that's what I call a profit motive. A profit motive that hangs climatologists who don't follow the party line into professional suicide, one that blasts us with "heat indices" rather than actual temperatures, one that revamped the methodology of calculating temperature data in 1979, one that blames every little weather quirk into "proof" of their narrative.

The bottom line is that a few years of weather data, or even 150 years going back to the beginning or reasonably accurate records is a drop in the bucket compared to the timeline in question.

WE JUST DON'T KNOW.

Normal
08-16-2023, 02:56 PM
Which laws of thermodynamics prevent water from being heated by direct sunlight or warmed by other material in the water that is being heated by the sunlight?

101 seems off, particularly given the difference from the 95.6 degrees measured by the neighboring buoys. Even if it is accurate, the explanation for why it was so different might negate the value of the measurement.


The type of paint, the color, shape and physical composition can all affect temps on and around a buoy, whether they are warmer or colder. This could account for the variations with the other buoys?

bcsnave
08-16-2023, 03:01 PM
The type of paint, the color, shape and physical composition can all affect temps on and around a buoy, whether they are warmer or colder. This could account for the variations with the other buoys?

Yeah a lot of things can affect the temps around Buoys

JMintzer
08-16-2023, 03:56 PM
You gots some proof it wasn't a correct temp reading?
As far as the pool theory. You have a circulating pump. It continually circulates water from a shaded area. If you don't believe me shut the pump off for four or five days and then tell me what the temperature is.:wave:

And the ocean doesn't have continuous circulation of it's water?

JMintzer
08-16-2023, 03:57 PM
I'm tired of the non-stop bs about the 7 year cooling trend you espouse at every occasion.

See the attached article. One of many articles about this "statistic" you use to "prove" your case and deny we have a problem.

Steven Hawking - before his death - stated mankind wouldn't be around by 2100. I'm in the camp if you deniers don't stop burying your heads in the sand he'll be right.

Tell the people who have died because of the continuing heat wave we don't have a problem.

Fact Check-Eight cooler years cannot be extrapolated to draw conclusions on long-term global warming | Reuters (https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-noaa-global-cooling/fact-check-eight-cooler-years-cannot-be-extrapolated-to-draw-conclusions-on-long-term-global-warming-idUSL1N34J26C)

More people die every year from cold than die from heat...

Stu from NYC
08-16-2023, 06:21 PM
Tropical weather that drifts over from Africa always hits the warm water of the Caribbean and Gulf. Please tell us you didn't believe that idiotic report that water temperature in key Largo was 101.1. Pretty amazing when you consider a 12,000 gallon pool on your lanai reaches 87 with no waves pulling in cooler water from deeper areas, but the 22 trillion gallon Atlantic gets to 101.1 with constant waves hitting the shore. I call BS, double BS and triple BS. Somebody must think we're pretty stupid.

They do

tophcfa
08-16-2023, 08:07 PM
Just returned from scuba trip in Key West. Water temperature was 91 or 92 everyday on the Gulf side. Past years it was 86 to 88 in mid August.

How were the coral reefs? Noticeably bleached?

bcsnave
08-17-2023, 11:40 AM
How were the coral reefs? Noticeably bleached?

Pollution, overfishing, destructive fishing practices using dynamite or cyanide, collecting live corals for the aquarium market, mining coral for building materials, and a warming climate are some of the many ways that people damage reefs all around the world every day

Human Threats to Corals: Corals Tutorial (https://oceanservice.noaa.gov/education/tutorial_corals/coral09_humanthreats.html#:~:text=Pollution%2C%20o verfishing%2C%20destructive%20fishing%20practices, around%20the%20world%20every%20day).