Cart Fire

[Dusty_Star]

Does anyone know anything about the cart fire in LSL area yesterday (8-13-2023)? I read that the woman & the clubs were rescued, but the cart was incinerated. Take a look at the Villages News site that must not be named, if you are curious. It looks like the cart was just a pile of rubble at the end. Amazing.

[Dotneko]

Does anyone know anything about the cart fire in LSL area yesterday (8-13-2023)? I read that the woman & the clubs were rescued, but the cart was incinerated. Take a look at the Villages News site that must not be named, if you are curious. It looks like the cart was just a pile of rubble at the end. Amazing.

And their usual bad reporting tells you nothing other than there was a fire. No cause. Are their reporters from the middle school?

[Dusty_Star]

And their usual bad reporting tells you nothing other than there was a fire. No cause. Are their reporters from the middle school?

Completely agree with the lack of 'reports' in the reports. No details whatsoever. That is why I was asking. Some must know.

[bhoward]

It must have been an electric cart. Glad I have gas.

[villagetinker]

It must have been an electric cart. Glad I have gas.

Sorry, gas cart can burn also, a small leak, and a nylon gas tank, can make for a big fire.

[Topspinmo]

My money on gas that had no preventive inspection or maintenance done?

[tophcfa]

All is good, gas or electric is unimportant as long as the golf clubs came out OK : (

[asianthree]

Our club up north had the cart barn burn to the ground. One couldn’t tell what it was that caught fire. All 60 carts were electric, no gas storage in barn.

[Topspinmo]

Our club up north had the cart barn burn to the ground. One couldn’t tell what it was that caught fire. All 60 carts were electric, no gas storage in barn.


Not knowing the circumstances it could of been number of things like faulty wiring due having to charge all those carts, faulty chargers, or environmental problem like lightning strike.

[Djean1981]

If you go to the related article on the un-nameable news / infotainment site, and zoom in on the crumbled remains. It looks like it was a gas cart.

[Bilyclub]

A pile of goo.

[BrianL99]

It must have been an electric cart. Glad I have gas.


Why does this Gas vs Electric nonsense continue in The Villages?

Gas golf carts are legacy products and you probably won't be able to buy a new one, in another 3 or 4 years.

Electric Golf Carts have an 82% Market Share in the USA and a 64% Global Market Share.

They are demonstrably cleaner, more efficient, more convenient, need less maintenance, quieter and more comfortable. Gas carts have been banned by most so-called "golf cart communities" around the country.

Defending, advocating and even using a gasoline power golf cart, is no different than saying you have no use for a refrigerator, because your Ice Box works perfectly fine. Gasoline carts are dinosaurs and no amount desk pounding is going to change that.

[UpNorth]

It must have been an electric cart. Glad I have gas.

I've seen several gas cart infernos burn to the ground in The Villages. I feel safer in an electric cart.

[mickey100]

Why does this Gas vs Electric nonsense continue in The Villages?

Gas golf carts are legacy products and you probably won't be able to buy a new one, in another 3 or 4 years.

Electric Golf Carts have an 82% Market Share in the USA and a 64% Global Market Share.

They are demonstrably cleaner, more efficient, more convenient, need less maintenance, quieter and more comfortable. Gas carts have been banned by most so-called "golf cart communities" around the country.

Defending, advocating and even using a gasoline power golf cart, is no different than saying you have no use for a refrigerator, because your Ice Box works perfectly fine. Gasoline carts are dinosaurs and no amount desk pounding is going to change that.

But you know some people just have trouble with "change". Anything different or new is immediately suspect, hence all the dissing of electric cars, wind and solar power, etc.

[tophcfa]

Gas golf carts are legacy products and you probably won't be able to buy a new one, in another 3 or 4 years.

That’s why I recently bought a brand new quiet tech and have three nice gas carts in our garage. This legacy kind of guy should be all set for the rest of my life : )

[Topspinmo]

That’s why I recently bought a brand new quiet tech and have three nice gas carts in our garage. This legacy kind of guy should be all set for the rest of my life : )


Agree, I could still be driving my first car, same with my golf cart at my age it will outlast me.

[bcsnave]

That’s why I recently bought a brand new quiet tech and have three nice gas carts in our garage. This legacy kind of guy should be all set for the rest of my life : )


Gas for us also, but I will post this up for the "Electric crowd" that have an inclination to think they are green and not using petroleum products.

And an interesting article from CBS news Lithium-ion battery fires from electric cars, bikes and scooters are on the rise. Are firefighters ready? - CBS News (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/lithium-ion-battery-fires-electric-cars-bikes-scooters-firefighters/)

[Bill14564]

Gas for us also, but I will post this up for the "Electric crowd" that have an inclination to think they are green and not using petroleum products.

And an interesting article from CBS news Lithium-ion battery fires from electric cars, bikes and scooters are on the rise. Are firefighters ready? - CBS News (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/lithium-ion-battery-fires-electric-cars-bikes-scooters-firefighters/)

So 40% of the electricity that goes into my cart was produced by renewables or nuclear. (or is it a 40% chance?) and only 60% might come from fossil fuels. What percentage of the fuel for the gas carts come from fossil fuels?

Additionally, my fuel cost per mile with the electric cart is about $0.01 while the fuel cost per mile for the gas is $0.07. Given the large difference, there must be a large gain in efficiency in either burning fossil fuels to generate electricity or in using electricity to power the cart. Either way, I seem to use significantly less oil with the electric cart, even considering the oil used for generation.

[mrf0151]

Why does this Gas vs Electric nonsense continue in The Villages?

Gas golf carts are legacy products and you probably won't be able to buy a new one, in another 3 or 4 years.

Electric Golf Carts have an 82% Market Share in the USA and a 64% Global Market Share.

They are demonstrably cleaner, more efficient, more convenient, need less maintenance, quieter and more comfortable. Gas carts have been banned by most so-called "golf cart communities" around the country.

Defending, advocating and even using a gasoline power golf cart, is no different than saying you have no use for a refrigerator, because your Ice Box works perfectly fine. Gasoline carts are dinosaurs and no amount desk pounding is going to change that.
STOP,STOP,PLEASE STOP trying to Californicate Florida.

[bcsnave]

STOP,STOP,PLEASE STOP trying to Californicate Florida.

I agree, why cant we all just do what WE CHOOSE to do. For me, I'll just take a ride in my cart and breathe in the fresh air:icon_wink:

[JMintzer]

So 40% of the electricity that goes into my cart was produced by renewables or nuclear. (or is it a 40% chance?) and only 60% might come from fossil fuels. What percentage of the fuel for the gas carts come from fossil fuels?

Additionally, my fuel cost per mile with the electric cart is about $0.01 while the fuel cost per mile for the gas is $0.07. Given the large difference, there must be a large gain in efficiency in either burning fossil fuels to generate electricity or in using electricity to power the cart. Either way, I seem to use significantly less oil with the electric cart, even considering the oil used for generation.

Living in TV, it's more likely that 100% of the electricity for your golf cart comes from burning trash...

[BrianL99]

Gas for us also, but I will post this up for the "Electric crowd" that have an inclination to think they are green and not using petroleum products.

And an interesting article from CBS news Lithium-ion battery fires from electric cars, bikes and scooters are on the rise. Are firefighters ready? - CBS News (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/lithium-ion-battery-fires-electric-cars-bikes-scooters-firefighters/)

The person who wrote that article, should be embarrassed to have their name attached to it.

"Battery fires are on the rise"? Gee, I wonder how many "battery fires" they had in the 1800's? EVERY kind of "fire" damage has risen, every year since fire was discovered.

"San Francisco and NY combined, had 20 deaths and 300 injuries from "battery fires" since 2019?" In the last 3 years, more people have probably died from eating tainted lettuce or choking on a hot dog.

I hope all the crazies that rant about "Lithium Battery fires", aren't holding iPhones next to their head. If the fire doesn't get you, the gamma rays will.

[TomSpasm]

I always find it amusing that someone thinks I have an electric golf cart because I'm some sort of "green freak". I have an electric golf cart because it performs far better than any gas cart I've ever been in. When I step on the gas, it doesn't hesitate, it just goes.

[JoMar]

I always find it amusing that someone thinks I have an electric golf cart because I'm some sort of "green freak". I have an electric golf cart because it performs far better than any gas cart I've ever been in. When I step on the gas, it doesn't hesitate, it just goes.

Agree, not a green freak here but have been driving electric since we moved here 8 years ago, only because they are more responsive, I can play music without sharing the sound with everyone around me, hold a quiet conversation with whoever is in the cart with me, don't need to make those runs to the gas station and a 40 mile range on the oldest cart (50 on the newest) takes me everywhere I need to go (neither are Lithium). I also don't understand the gas vs electric battles since we all drive what we prefer for whatever reason, why does there need to be competition

[BrianL99]

I always find it amusing that someone thinks I have an electric golf cart because I'm some sort of "green freak". I have an electric golf cart because it performs far better than any gas cart I've ever been in. When I step on the gas, it doesn't hesitate, it just goes.

Well yeah, but the quiet is disconcerting and there's no smell!

[Topspinmo]

You can bet when golf cart mentioned it will Eventually (as this one has turn in to my electric or gas is better than yours). I could care less what your choices are. I make my own decisions and nothing going to influence me. Yes I have had both, both serve purpose.

[Topspinmo]

Why does this Gas vs Electric nonsense continue in The Villages?

Gas golf carts are legacy products and you probably won't be able to buy a new one, in another 3 or 4 years.

Electric Golf Carts have an 82% Market Share in the USA and a 64% Global Market Share.

They are demonstrably cleaner, more efficient, more convenient, need less maintenance, quieter and more comfortable. Gas carts have been banned by most so-called "golf cart communities" around the country.

Defending, advocating and even using a gasoline power golf cart, is no different than saying you have no use for a refrigerator, because your Ice Box works perfectly fine. Gasoline carts are dinosaurs and no amount desk pounding is going to change that.

Nonsense.


Why? cause poster push their opinion and determined they are right. Purchase of new Gas carts will be around longer than 3 years.

[bcsnave]

The person who wrote that article, should be embarrassed to have their name attached to it.


The article was from CBS news and they are pretty supportive of the Green New Deal and the Electric wave

[bcsnave]

I always find it amusing that someone thinks I have an electric golf cart because I'm some sort of "green freak". I have an electric golf cart because it performs far better than any gas cart I've ever been in. When I step on the gas, it doesn't hesitate, it just goes.

Now this is a sound and logical explanation. I like the Quietech for the afforded distance on a fill but can certainly appreciate the performance (torque) from electric. The lithium is an expensive option and I sure do not want to replace every 4-5 years (ouch) but they do provide better range and performance.

[pokeefe45@aol.com]

Why does this Gas vs Electric nonsense continue in The Villages?

Gas golf carts are legacy products and you probably won't be able to buy a new one, in another 3 or 4 years.

Electric Golf Carts have an 82% Market Share in the USA and a 64% Global Market Share.

They are demonstrably cleaner, more efficient, more convenient, need less maintenance, quieter and more comfortable. Gas carts have been banned by most so-called "golf cart communities" around the country.

Defending, advocating and even using a gasoline power golf cart, is no different than saying you have no use for a refrigerator, because your Ice Box works perfectly fine. Gasoline carts are dinosaurs and no amount desk pounding is going to change that.

I'm thinking about putting a second ice box in the garage-anyone selling one?
Also-Read the article below (there are dozens of them from all spectrums of news organizations). I'm working on a patent for a gas powered Iphone. Will let everyone know when I get it.
Child labour behind smart phone and electric car batteries (https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2016/01/Child-labour-behind-smart-phone-and-electric-car-batteries/#:~:text=The%20report%2C%20This%20is%20what%20we%2 0die%20for%3A,as%20seven%20and%20adults%20work%20i n%20perilous%20conditions).

[TEXJK]

Not sure if the cart that burned was one of the new Quitetechs.
I have new one drove it on a long drive to one of the squares checked the oil and temperature temps with a heat gun head temperature over 350F and oil 250F in effort to make these carts quieter.
Yamaha installed belly pans and insulation restricting air flow significantly any type of fuel leak has the ability to start a fire ….but one on this model could ignite more easily
Have made modifications head temperatures 200 230F
Oil temperatures 210F after long runs ….. IMHO these Drive2 carts may not live long under those conditions ������*♂️

[RichR.]

It must have been an electric cart. Glad I have gas.

:1rotfl: Because gas don't burn!

[rsmurano]

Gas carts are legacy products? Electric carts have years to mature before I would consider 1, same goes for an EV.
Lithium batteries are a hazardous waste item, no way to fix that.
Lithium batteries have to be replaced every 5-8 years at a cost of thousands of dollars. My gas engine will last decades even if I have to rebuild the motor.

What happens to the lithium cart if you run out of power on the golf course? I can carry a gallon of gas in my gas cart if I think I will be extending my hundreds of miles of a tank of gas.

How many charging stations in TV to charge your cart if you extended your trip (usually around 50 miles per charge)? How many gas stations in TV where I can fill up? Many more gas stations.

The initial cost is thousands more to start.

Gas cars/carts are going to be here for many decades to come

[bookernoe]

I've owned golf carts for 40 years now. I got over battery carts many years ago, as ours tend to sit months at a time. After my third or fourth set of batteries (lead acid) at about $1200 each, I decided gas was best for me. If you literally drive everyday, battery may be your best choice. My first gas cart is also my current one. 15 years old now, almost never maintained, and still running like new. I was sold when I learned I could buy a whole new engine for mine for less than a set of batteries. I go weeks without refilling.

[Annie66]

Hmmmmm. This one got off track real fast. The question was: does anyone know the cause of the fire? It was a simple yes or no.

[Bogie Shooter]

Hmmmmm. This one got off track real fast. The question was: does anyone know the cause of the fire? It was a simple yes or no.

Hi-jacked threads seldom happen on here.:1rotfl:

[skippy05]

The fire was apparently due to the owner carrying multiple newspapers with the article regarding the opening of the new costco to come, too close to the battery.

[Mrmean58]

And their usual bad reporting tells you nothing other than there was a fire. No cause. Are their reporters from the middle school?

Curious, how would any reporter know what the cause was based on what is left of the cart? Determining the cause is out of their expertise. To state a cause would be purely speculation, gossip. Unless gossip is what you desire.

[bowlingal]

lithium batteries???

[Bill14564]

lithium batteries???

highly flammable liquids???

[NoMo50]

Curious, how would any reporter know what the cause was based on what is left of the cart? Determining the cause is out of their expertise. To state a cause would be purely speculation, gossip. Unless gossip is what you desire.

Perhaps ask one of the firefighters or deputies at the scene? That's what real reporters do.

[jimkerr]

Well yeah, but the quiet is disconcerting and there's no smell!

I have a gas cart and there is no smell either.

[airstreamingypsy]

Can an electric car get from one end of TV to the other and back home? How many miles can they go on a charge?

[Miboater]

Hmmmmm. This one got off track real fast. The question was: does anyone know the cause of the fire? It was a simple yes or no.

I saw some photos of the fire on Nextdoor and it was a yesteryear or similar type of golf cart. You could clearly see the exhaust pipe in the rubble so it had to be a gas model.

My theory is that an entitled dog owner who was walking their dog to go shopping at Publix. The dog pooped and naturally they did not pick it up and this unsuspecting entitled Villages drove over it and flung the poop on the hot exhaust of the dated technology gas cart when clearly half of people know that electric carts are better.

I may be wrong but I may be right.

[BrianL99]

Not sure if the cart that burned was one of the new Quitetechs.
I have new one drove it on a long drive to one of the squares checked the oil and temperature temps with a heat gun head temperature over 350F and oil 250F in effort to make these carts quieter.
Yamaha installed belly pans and insulation restricting air flow significantly any type of fuel leak has the ability to start a fire ….but one on this model could ignite more easily
Have made modifications head temperatures 200 230F
Oil temperatures 210F after long runs ….. IMHO these Drive2 carts may not live long under those conditions ������*♂️

The heating issues on QuietTechs has been well known for a long time.

Here's a market study on the Golf Cart industry. It's perfectly clear where things are headed and why.

Golf Cart Market Share, Growth & Size | Industry Trends [2028] (https://www.fortunebusinessinsights.com/golf-cart-market-106337)

[srswans]

Can an electric car get from one end of TV to the other and back home? How many miles can they go on a charge?

My lithium cart has 60 mile range.

[merrymini]

My electric cart can go about 60 miles. Who would want to be in a golf cart that long to go anywhere is anybody’s guess. I had an electric cart with regular batteries. When you have it plugged in, like we did when we were snowbirds, the trickle charger kept them charged and we checked the water and they lasted about 6 years. I loved the electric cart. Do not let anyone tell you that gas carts do not smell. Why do the tunnels stink if the gas carts do not smell? Do not let stupid comments about electric carts put you off. They are mostly made by people who do not know anything about them. I now have an atomic cart with lithium batteries, love it. Looks like the cart that burned was gas. The kind of gas that does burn.

[wamley]

Using the refrigerator as a comparison shows a lack of knowledge. Its the battery in the electric carts that is an issue. They seem to have a spontaneous eruption. It's not often, but is usually violent and almost imposible to extinguish with water. The information I have is from Automobiles, not gold carts. I would imagine a statistics on gas vs EV carts is not available. A statistic with Gas Vs EV cars uses a number per 100,000 vehicles. Gas cars go on fire at a much higher rate, but the amount of iles the vehicles drive and are in use is not factored in. Anyway good luck with this argument. I have a gas cart, I can go longer distances than an EV cart. I have access to gas that takes a few minutes to fill my 5 gallon tank vs plugging in and waiting at least a couple hours. Newer gas carts are quiet, but not as quiet as EV.

[Mrfriendly]

Does anyone know anything about the cart fire in LSL area yesterday (8-13-2023)? I read that the woman & the clubs were rescued, but the cart was incinerated. Take a look at the Villages News site that must not be named, if you are curious. It looks like the cart was just a pile of rubble at the end. Amazing.

Possibly the turn signal was left on for a long period of time?

[Vermilion Villager]

STOP,STOP,PLEASE STOP trying to Californicate Florida.
STOP,STOP,PLEASE STOP trying to take us back to the 1960s:mornincoffee:

[Vermilion Villager]

It must have been an electric cart. Glad I have gas.

I think they call that a "SWING AND A MISS!"
In the picture you can see a muffler. Electric carts don't have those.

[Bill14564]

Can an electric car get from one end of TV to the other and back home? How many miles can they go on a charge?

I took a trip one day to find out.

Eisenhower - Savannah Center - Historic Side - Spanish Springs - Lake Sumter Landing - Sawgrass - Ednas - Brownwood - Eisenhower.

About 42 miles and I was tired of being in the cart that long. My cart (new) had 1/4 charge left.

[bcsnave]

I think they call that a "SWING AND A MISS!"
In the picture you can see a muffler. Electric carts don't have those.

Okay...it must've been a spark from the ELECTRIC that caused the combustion...let's try a novel theory here and end this GAS vs Electric debate. No electric any thing as it may spark and ignite gas..no gas as it may combust...let's all do our part ....get rid of our carts and do something good for TV

[Bilyclub]

The rubble doesn't look like it was a quiet tech.

[mrf0151]

Using the refrigerator as a comparison shows a lack of knowledge. Its the battery in the electric carts that is an issue. They seem to have a spontaneous eruption. It's not often, but is usually violent and almost imposible to extinguish with water. The information I have is from Automobiles, not gold carts. I would imagine a statistics on gas vs EV carts is not available. A statistic with Gas Vs EV cars uses a number per 100,000 vehicles. Gas cars go on fire at a much higher rate, but the amount of iles the vehicles drive and are in use is not factored in. Anyway good luck with this argument. I have a gas cart, I can go longer distances than an EV cart. I have access to gas that takes a few minutes to fill my 5 gallon tank vs plugging in and waiting at least a couple hours. Newer gas carts are quiet, but not as quiet as EV.
It's a matter of what kind of sound you want to listen to. New Yamaha gas carts have a low rumble, and the New electric carts have a whining sound. Each to his/her own. Don't worry, be happy.

[bcsnave]

It's a matter of what kind of sound you want to listen to. New Yamaha gas carts have a low rumble, and the New electric carts have a whining sound. Each to his/her own. Don't worry, be happy.

Don't worry
(Ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh) Be happy
(Ooh-ooh-ooh) Hey I give you my phone number
When you worry, call me, I make you happy
(Ooh, ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh) Don't worry
(Ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh) Be happy
(Ooh-ooh-ooh)

[Bilyclub]

I see a drivetrain and an axle ? Where's a muffler. Yamaha's exhaust is a lot of plastic that goes out the bottom.

[Steve]

But you know some people just have trouble with "change". Anything different or new is immediately suspect, hence all the dissing of electric cars, wind and solar power, etc.

Electric golf carts are not "new". I had one when I first moved to The Villages 18 years ago. But after replacing the batteries three times in eight years (with batteries going from $45 each to $100 each in that time span) and, at one point, having to push my golf cart three blocks to get it home after a trip from Polo Ridge to Brownwood and back I went gas. I've never regretted it. $42 mpg, 200 mile range, $85/year for an annual maintenance check-up. You can keep your 60-80 mile range electric.

[ROCKETMAN]

There will be gas carts out there for another 10 years or more. By the year 2035 half the cars on the road will be gas powered. People keep their cars an average of 10 or more years and right now electric are less than 10 per cent of sales. Do the math.

[bcsnave]

I see a drivetrain and an axle ? Where's a muffler. Yamaha's exhaust is a lot of plastic that goes out the bottom.

I think I see a wheel and tire by the arrow...WHAT.. a TIRE? Aren't they a petroleum product....Oh my goodness...these should be banned...oh and that casing for the batteries....made using petroleum products that at the phase change are the basis for ethylene and propylene...but heck who thinks about that

[bcsnave]

Hmmmmm. This one got off track real fast. The question was: does anyone know the cause of the fire? It was a simple yes or no.

NO..I do not

[bcsnave]

I'm thinking about putting a second ice box in the garage-anyone selling one?
Also-Read the article below (there are dozens of them from all spectrums of news organizations). I'm working on a patent for a gas powered Iphone. Will let everyone know when I get it.
Child labour behind smart phone and electric car batteries (https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2016/01/Child-labour-behind-smart-phone-and-electric-car-batteries/#:~:text=The%20report%2C%20This%20is%20what%20we%2 0die%20for%3A,as%20seven%20and%20adults%20work%20i n%20perilous%20conditions).


Can I get in on the IPO?

[dtennent]

I am guessing the person driving the cart was reading TOTV on their phone with all of the flame wars about electric vs. gas vehicles. The phone erupted in flames and they dropped the phone. The cart caught on fire and the rest is history.

[Bill14564]

I see a drivetrain and an axle ? Where's a muffler. Yamaha's exhaust is a lot of plastic that goes out the bottom.

If you see a drivetrain then I'm pretty sure you see a gas cart. Electric carts have no drivetrain, the electric motor is attached to the rear end at the axle itself.

I can't make out either an engine or an electric motor in this picture. One of the two has to be there.

[UpNorth]

Back in the day, we used to argue Ford vs Chevy. Today it's Gas vs Electric.

[Rzepecki]

Why does this Gas vs Electric nonsense continue in The Villages?

Gas golf carts are legacy products and you probably won't be able to buy a new one, in another 3 or 4 years.

Electric Golf Carts have an 82% Market Share in the USA and a 64% Global Market Share.

They are demonstrably cleaner, more efficient, more convenient, need less maintenance, quieter and more comfortable. Gas carts have been banned by most so-called "golf cart communities" around the country.

Defending, advocating and even using a gasoline power golf cart, is no different than saying you have no use for a refrigerator, because your Ice Box works perfectly fine. Gasoline carts are dinosaurs and no amount desk pounding is going to change that.

We’ll, that’s one opinion.

[TonyM]

So 40% of the electricity that goes into my cart was produced by renewables or nuclear. (or is it a 40% chance?) and only 60% might come from fossil fuels. What percentage of the fuel for the gas carts come from fossil fuels?

Additionally, my fuel cost per mile with the electric cart is about $0.01 while the fuel cost per mile for the gas is $0.07. Given the large difference, there must be a large gain in efficiency in either burning fossil fuels to generate electricity or in using electricity to power the cart. Either way, I seem to use significantly less oil with the electric cart, even considering the oil used for generation.

Are you considering the cost of replacing the batteries in your calculations?

[Bill14564]

Are you considering the cost of replacing the batteries in your calculations?

Clearly, my calculations concern fossil fuel usage. You already know the answer to your question.

But just as clearly, you are trying to make a point. No, I didn't consider the cost replacing the batteries just as I didn't consider the cost of rebuilding/repairing the gasoline engine. With all the moving parts, the engine rebuild/repair is more likely than the need for new batteries.

While I have seen golf carts advertised that are 15 years old, I suspect I will be replacing both of mine before that. With a ten year (or maybe 8 year) warranty on the batteries, they ought to last as long as the cart does.

The only reason I might replace the batteries is if new technology comes out that doubles the range. I might upgrade to something like that if it becomes available.

[Bilyclub]

If you see a drivetrain then I'm pretty sure you see a gas cart. Electric carts have no drivetrain, the electric motor is attached to the rear end at the axle itself.

I can't make out either an engine or an electric motor in this picture. One of the two has to be there.

I've never been under an electric cart, but that blackened round thing could be a electric motor.

[bcsnave]

Clearly, my calculations concern fossil fuel usage. You already know the answer to your question.

But just as clearly, you are trying to make a point. No, I didn't consider the cost replacing the batteries just as I didn't consider the cost of rebuilding/repairing the gasoline engine. With all the moving parts, the engine rebuild/repair is more likely than the need for new batteries.

While I have seen golf carts advertised that are 15 years old, I suspect I will be replacing both of mine before that. With a ten year (or maybe 8 year) warranty on the batteries, they ought to last as long as the cart does.

The only reason I might replace the batteries is if new technology comes out that doubles the range. I might upgrade to something like that if it becomes available.

Batteries...batteries...good for the environment...

[Bill14564]

Batteries...batteries...good for the environment...

Looks like a stack of lead-acid batteries. The kind that is used alongside a gasoline engine and needs to be replaced every five years or so.

[bcsnave]

National Fire Protection

FORE! Improper charging of golf carts can lead to fumes and fire | NFPA (https://www.nfpa.org/news-and-research/publications-and-media/blogs-landing-page/nfpa-today/blog-posts/2020/02/07/fore-improper-charging-of-golf-carts-can-lead-to-fumes-and-fire)

And hey .....these folks chose electric, in life we have choices

[Topspinmo]

:1rotfl: Because gas don't burn!


Normally is use for combustion. Electricity don’t burn either it combusts then burns.

[Topspinmo]

Looks like a stack of lead-acid batteries. The kind that is used alongside a gasoline engine and needs to be replaced every five years or so.


So you’re saying lithium ion better for environment. How do we know that. Lead acid batteries can be recycled some, byproduct disaster for the environment.

[Topspinmo]

Clearly, my calculations concern fossil fuel usage. You already know the answer to your question.

But just as clearly, you are trying to make a point. No, I didn't consider the cost replacing the batteries just as I didn't consider the cost of rebuilding/repairing the gasoline engine. With all the moving parts, the engine rebuild/repair is more likely than the need for new batteries.

While I have seen golf carts advertised that are 15 years old, I suspect I will be replacing both of mine before that. With a ten year (or maybe 8 year) warranty on the batteries, they ought to last as long as the cart does.

The only reason I might replace the batteries is if new technology comes out that doubles the range. I might upgrade to something like that if it becomes available.


I have never worn out gasoline engine in anything I’ve owned, but I know where the dipstick is and know when to change oil. On the other hand I’ve replace lots of batteries over the years. I had to buy lithium Ion for tools, they only have so many recharges in them before the loose volts.

[Bill14564]

So you’re saying lithium ion better for environment. How do we know that. Lead acid batteries can be recycled some, byproduct disaster for the environment.

I'm saying if you are going to find a picture to make your point, find the right picture.

It's nice that lead acid batteries can be recycled but your picture would imply that is not happening.

A picture of a stack of lithium ion batteries would be applicable to this thread. Do you have one of those?

[Bill14564]

I have never worn out gasoline engine in anything I’ve owned, but I know where the dipstick is and know when to change oil. On the other hand I’ve replace lots of batteries over the years. I had to buy lithium Ion for tools, they only have so many recharges in them before the loose volts.

Either the lithium batteries in golf carts will last over eight (maybe ten) years or the manufacturers will go broke satisfying their battery-life warranties.

[bcsnave]

I have never worn out gasoline engine in anything I’ve owned, but I know where the dipstick is and know when to change oil. On the other hand I’ve replace lots of batteries over the years. I had to buy lithium Ion for tools, they only have so many recharges in them before the loose volts.


Oh geez....I ran to the dealer and felt pretty stupid looking at a new Star EV cart....I said he Topspinmo knows where the dip stick is and how to change the oil on one of these rascals......they kicked me out:a20:

[Topspinmo]

Oh geez....I ran to the dealer and felt pretty stupid looking at a new Star EV cart....I said he Topspinmo knows where the dip stick is and how to change the oil on one of these rascals......they kicked me out:a20:


Some people need things to to be simple… :girlneener:

[Topspinmo]

Either the lithium batteries in golf carts will last over eight (maybe ten) years or the manufacturers will go broke satisfying their battery-life warranties.

Might want to read the fine print, probably pro rated?

Didn’t you say gas engines wear out in 10 years? 95 % don’t kept stuff that long, not even electric carts and cars. Have ask, how much would electric cart with lithium batteries be worth at end of their life cycle? Guess find out when try to trade them in. My money on the will be traded long before that due to cost of batteries which what 80% probably do anyway?

[Topspinmo]

I'm saying if you are going to find a picture to make your point, find the right picture.

It's nice that lead acid batteries can be recycled but your picture would imply that is not happening.

A picture of a stack of lithium ion batteries would be applicable to this thread. Do you have one of those?

I didn’t post pictures, nor was this thread about lithium batteries only speculation. I know several recycle battery plants. Those piles of batteries are awaiting recycling. But, you knew that right…..

[BrianL99]

Oh geez....I ran to the dealer and felt pretty stupid looking at a new Star EV cart....I said he Topspinmo knows where the dip stick is and how to change the oil on one of these rascals......they kicked me out:a20:

6 Pages of Posts and I've yet to see a post by someone who owns a golf cart, without a battery.

Funny how all the gas owners are content to depend on a battery to get their Flintstone Vehicle going, but then want to toss battery power like they don't really need it.

I'm surprised no one seems concerned about sitting on 4-6 gallons of gas, with a battery right next to it, who's job it is, to get that gas engine ignited.

I was particularly impressed by the poster who's been able to remove the smell from the gas he uses. Must be a super higher octane or his cart is burning vegetable oil.

& to the poster who correctly pointed out the "smell" in the tunnels. The oder in gasoline comes from Benzene. Benzene smell is so strong, most folks can smell it, even if the concentration is only about 2 parts/million. Anyone who's close to gasoline and can't smell it, should get a Covid test.

[JMintzer]

Hi-jacked threads seldom happen on here.:1rotfl:

Coral Bleaching anyone?

[JMintzer]

Might want to read the fine print, probably pro rated?

Didn’t you say gas engines wear out in 10 years? 95 % don’t kept stuff that long, not even electric carts and cars. Have ask, how much would electric cart with lithium batteries be worth at end of their life cycle? Guess find out when try to trade them in. My money on the will be traded long before that due to cost of batteries which what 80% probably do anyway?

I just sold my 2013 GAS Yamaha cart. It was running like a champ.

The only reason I sold it was because I wanted a QuieTech and more comfortable seats...

[JMintzer]

6 Pages of Posts and I've yet to see a post by someone who owns a golf cart, without a battery.

Funny how all the gas owners are content to depend on a battery to get their Flintstone Vehicle going, but then want to toss battery power like they don't really need it.

I'm surprised no one seems concerned about sitting on 4-6 gallons of gas, with a battery right next to it, who's job it is, to get that gas engine ignited.

I was particularly impressed by the poster who's been able to remove the smell from the gas he uses. Must be a super higher octane or his cart is burning vegetable oil.

& to the poster who correctly pointed out the "smell" in the tunnels. The oder in gasoline comes from Benzene. Benzene smell is so strong, most folks can smell it, even if the concentration is only about 2 parts/million. Anyone who's close to gasoline and can't smell it, should get a Covid test.

The gas tank and the battery are on opposite sides of the cart...

[Bill14564]

Might want to read the fine print, probably pro rated?

Didn’t you say gas engines wear out in 10 years? 95 % don’t kept stuff that long, not even electric carts and cars. Have ask, how much would electric cart with lithium batteries be worth at end of their life cycle? Guess find out when try to trade them in. My money on the will be traded long before that due to cost of batteries which what 80% probably do anyway?

Does not appear to be pro rated but you never know until you try to make a claim.

I didn't say engines wear out in 10 years, I said I didn't consider engine rebuilds or battery replacement.

It never occurred to me that you could trade in a golf cart. I expected when I was done with it I would hope that I wouldn't have to pay to have it hauled away. We'll find out in ten years or so.

I didn’t post pictures, nor was this thread about lithium batteries only speculation. I know several recycle battery plants. Those piles of batteries are awaiting recycling. But, you knew that right…..

I missed that it wasn't you who posted the picture. My apologies.

This thread is about a golf cart fire. Speculation was that it was caused by lithium batteries. The discussion then devolved into this.

No, I didn't see the "waiting for recycling sign" on the jumbled pile of batteries. This seems like an odd way to store them, out in the weather, jumbled pile, on their side and upside down... but I'm not in the recycling business.

[bcsnave]

6 pages of posts and i've yet to see a post by someone who owns a golf cart, without a battery.

Funny how all the gas owners are content to depend on a battery to get their flintstone vehicle going, but then want to toss battery power ......anyone who's close to gasoline and can't smell it, should get a covid test.
covid test.....naw....i'll just throw on a cloth mask...that'll save me and stop any benzene smell

[bcsnave]

I'm saying if you are going to find a picture to make your point, find the right picture.

It's nice that lead acid batteries can be recycled but your picture would imply that is not happening.

A picture of a stack of lithium ion batteries would be applicable to this thread. Do you have one of those?

No I don't but here is irrefutable proof in the picture that it is a Star EV...I think I can make out the logo on the back of the cart...but I had to squint a little bit..or clik and enlarge the photo

[Topspinmo]

6 Pages of Posts and I've yet to see a post by someone who owns a golf cart, without a battery.

Funny how all the gas owners are content to depend on a battery to get their Flintstone Vehicle going, but then want to toss battery power like they don't really need it.

I'm surprised no one seems concerned about sitting on 4-6 gallons of gas, with a battery right next to it, who's job it is, to get that gas engine ignited.

I was particularly impressed by the poster who's been able to remove the smell from the gas he uses. Must be a super higher octane or his cart is burning vegetable oil.

& to the poster who correctly pointed out the "smell" in the tunnels. The oder in gasoline comes from Benzene. Benzene smell is so strong, most folks can smell it, even if the concentration is only about 2 parts/million. Anyone who's close to gasoline and can't smell it, should get a Covid test.


Batteries and staters on lawn mower engines are there for convenience.

[Topspinmo]

Does not appear to be pro rated but you never know until you try to make a claim.

I didn't say engines wear out in 10 years, I said I didn't consider engine rebuilds or battery replacement.

It never occurred to me that you could trade in a golf cart. I expected when I was done with it I would hope that I wouldn't have to pay to have it hauled away. We'll find out in ten years or so.



I missed that it wasn't you who posted the picture. My apologies.

This thread is about a golf cart fire. Speculation was that it was caused by lithium batteries. The discussion then devolved into this.

No, I didn't see the "waiting for recycling sign" on the jumbled pile of batteries. This seems like an odd way to store them, out in the weather, jumbled pile, on their side and upside down... but I'm not in the recycling business.


The battery acid has been drained, they bring them in semi loads, they recycle the lead plates in batteries. It very toxic operation. They basically burn the rubber off and plates, all left big pile of lead that has to be broken up. The worker’s enter The smelter in what looks like space suits. They have to be blood test if I remember correctly at least monthly, maybe weekly for blood lead levels.

All the battery recycler’s have big lined slug pond which is highly toxic. I’m would want live within 10 miles of one.

Only certain stats allow them, usually in middle of now where. These states will all most except anything for the jobs. But, iMO will regret it down the road.

[Keefelane66]

No I don't but here is irrefutable proof in the picture that it is a Star EV...I think I can make out the logo on the back of the cart...but I had to squint a little bit
Fair photoshop

[Bogie Shooter]

Might want to read the fine print, probably pro rated?

Didn’t you say gas engines wear out in 10 years? 95 % don’t kept stuff that long, not even electric carts and cars. Have ask, how much would electric cart with lithium batteries be worth at end of their life cycle? Guess find out when try to trade them in. My money on the will be traded long before that due to cost of batteries which what 80% probably do anyway?
Did you proof read this?

[MorTech]

Either gas or electric...It's like the cart was made of wood.
Hydrocarbons are renewable...Made from sun energy...Hydrocarbons are literally liquid sunshine.

Florida uses 20% nuclear and near 80% natgas for electric generation...Both very cheap and natgas oxidation produces plant food (CO2/H2O) that makes plants green.

[Two Bills]

Fair photoshop

Obvious more like it.
Even the guy in yellow jacket is giving it the finger!

[bcsnave]

Obvious more like it.
Even the guy in yellow jacket is giving it the finger!

Oh my, breaking news at Star EV lot

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/2247208-post274.html

[tophcfa]

I just sold my 2013 GAS Yamaha cart. It was running like a champ.

The only reason I sold it was because I wanted a QuieTech and more comfortable seats...

I wanted, and got, the same thing. I just couldn’t get myself to sell the 2014 GAS Yamaha cart because I like it so much, so now I have three gas carts in the garage. One each for my wife and I, and one for guests. Set for life hopefully.

[bcsnave]

I wanted, and got, the same thing. I just couldn’t get myself to sell the 2014 GAS Yamaha cart because I like it so much, so now I have three gas carts in the garage. One each for my wife and I, and one for guests. Set for life hopefully.

So is that in a specific order or is this like a "boxed" trifecta of GAS carts?

[bcsnave]

Oh my https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/2248959-post1.html

[Topspinmo]

Did you proof read this?


Sorry if you can’t comprehend. Try harder. But, I can see why.

[Topspinmo]

I just sold my 2013 GAS Yamaha cart. It was running like a champ.

The only reason I sold it was because I wanted a QuieTech and more comfortable seats...

among the 5%. Most don’t.

[JMintzer]

among the 5%. Most don’t.

Most don't what? Keep running?

How did you come up with that #? When I was looking there were tons of 2010-2015 carts for sale. Most were snapped up quickly due to the fact that there were no new ones available (2021...) And if you look on the classified ads on ToTV and FaceBook, there are plenty still on the road...

[Topspinmo]

Most don't what? Keep running?

How did you come up with that #? When I was looking there were tons of 2010-2015 carts for sale. Most were snapped up quickly due to the fact that there were no new ones available (2021...) And if you look on the classified ads on ToTV and FaceBook, there are plenty still on the road...

OK, m-o-s-t don’t k-e-e-p vehicles that long…….I repeat most don’t keep vehicles that long. That what most don’t do.

[JMintzer]

OK, m-o-s-t don’t k-e-e-p vehicles that long…….I repeat most don’t keep vehicles that long. That what most don’t do.

It would have helped if you had said that in the first place...

[bcsnave]

Could someone help me out, trying to figure out if this was a gas Golf Car?

[Bay Kid]

I wanted, and got, the same thing. I just couldn’t get myself to sell the 2014 GAS Yamaha cart because I like it so much, so now I have three gas carts in the garage. One each for my wife and I, and one for guests. Set for life hopefully.

Same with me for my 2013 4 seater Yamaha. +16,000 miles and still running strong!

[frayedends]

Disregarding the argument on eco friendliness of gas vs electric, the fact is Lithium batteries are prone to combust due to heat buildup in the battery. Even my iPhone overheats to the point of shutting down sometimes, for no apparent reason.

Gas explosion would take some sort of catastrophic failure for an explosion. There'd likely need to first be a leak that hits an ignition source, then the gas tank would likely have to melt to the point of spilling out fuel. A closed gas tank is not very conducive to combusting because there is not enough oxygen. The fumes in the tank are more often above the lower explosive limit (basically not enough O2 to combust). Of course these things can happen, but I'd bet when they do it's usually part of a crash and not spontaneous combustion.

[Bill14564]

Disregarding the argument on eco friendliness of gas vs electric, the fact is Lithium batteries are prone to combust due to heat buildup in the battery. Even my iPhone overheats to the point of shutting down sometimes, for no apparent reason.

Gas explosion would take some sort of catastrophic failure for an explosion. There'd likely need to first be a leak that hits an ignition source, then the gas tank would likely have to melt to the point of spilling out fuel. A closed gas tank is not very conducive to combusting because there is not enough oxygen. The fumes in the tank are more often above the lower explosive limit (basically not enough O2 to combust). Of course these things can happen, but I'd bet when they do it's usually part of a crash and not spontaneous combustion.

Has your phone combusted yet?

Lithium battery systems have safeguards built in too.

I would like to see a side by side, apples to apples comparison of the two. Are lithium vehicles truly more unstable than gasoline vehicles or is lithium just getting the attention now?

[frayedends]

Has your phone combusted yet?

Lithium battery systems have safeguards built in too.

I would like to see a side by side, apples to apples comparison of the two. Are lithium vehicles truly more unstable than gasoline vehicles or is lithium just getting the attention now?

I think it’s definitely fair to say that lithium carts are more unstable than gas carts. I can’t tell you if that means there are more fires in one than the other but it is a fair assumption that gas vehicles don’t spontaneously combust. But you are correct there are ever improving safeguards being put in place. I agree that battery powered golf carts will eventually be the norm, I don’t believe this just because of the eco-friendly garbage. I think the quietness and lack of fumes are good reasons to buy.

[Bill14564]

I think it’s definitely fair to say that lithium carts are more unstable than gas carts. I can’t tell you if that means there are more fires in one than the other but it is a fair assumption that gas vehicles don’t spontaneously combust. But you are correct there are ever improving safeguards being put in place. I agree that battery powered golf carts will eventually be the norm, I don’t believe this just because of the eco-friendly garbage. I think the quietness and lack of fumes are good reasons to buy.

And I don't agree with that without more evidence. When a similar thread was started I searched for related fires and one of the first I found was a BMW catching on fire when parked in a garage. Gas vehicles can also spontaneously combust but without more data we can't compare.

When a car or cart fire is reported the first question is whether it was an EV. If it turns out to be a gas vehicle then conversation ends. If it turns out to be electric then we get several pages of how dangerous lithium batteries are. We need statistics on the number of events and not on the number of pages written.

[bcsnave]

Has your phone combusted yet?

Lithium battery systems have safeguards built in too.

I would like to see a side by side, apples to apples comparison of the two. Are lithium vehicles truly more unstable than gasoline vehicles or is lithium just getting the attention now?

Still haven't got an answer..was this a Gas car?

[frayedends]

I just researched the BMW issue. Interesting.

I just found an article about cars that seems to indicate hybrid car fires are double gas cars. All electric are much less than both.

[bcsnave]

I just researched the BMW issue. Interesting.

I just found an article about cars that seems to indicate hybrid car fires are double gas cars. All electric are much less than both.

Frayends-I still did NOT receive an answer. Was this a gas cart?

[frayedends]

Frayends-I still did NOT receive an answer. Was this a gas cart?

Looks electric to me. Isn't that a huge battery?

[JMintzer]

Looks electric to me. Isn't that a huge battery?

That would be my guess as well...

[Altavia]

That would be my guess as well...

But it looks like lead acid to me?

[Randall55]

Frayends-I still did NOT receive an answer. Was this a gas cart? I have no idea. Too much char and I am not a mechanic. But, I can help you by posting another thread regarding your question. The sooner we get to a new page, the sooner the discussions on owning a gas or electric cart will end. MAYBE THEN SOMEONE WILL ANSWER YOUR QUESTION. (Sorry, it is all I got.)

[frayedends]

But it looks like lead acid to me?

It sort of looks like lead acid. But then it looks like 1 big battery and you usually see 6 separate lead acid batteries. I have no idea what a lithium battery looks like under the nice cool covers they put on them.

I've also heard lithium battery fires are harder to put out. But with all the plastic in a golf cart, I'd guess any type would burn to nothing pretty fast.

[bcsnave]

It sort of looks like lead acid. But then it looks like 1 big battery and you usually see 6 separate lead acid batteries. I have no idea what a lithium battery looks like under the nice cool covers they put on them.

I've also heard lithium battery fires are harder to put out. But with all the plastic in a golf cart, I'd guess any type would burn to nothing pretty fast.

Okay..then I guess I'll take that as it was NOT a gas cart. Those darn electrical fires are the worst. I guess I will stick with the Quietech EFI car.:gc:

[UpNorth]

If it really was a lithium ion battery, there would be nothing left to see in the photo.

[margaretmattson]

If it really was a lithium ion battery, there would be nothing left to see in the photo.
Instead of looking at the battery look very closely at the steering wheel and dashboard. EV? Or, take the pic to the golf cart store. They will know.

[UpNorth]

Still haven't got an answer..was this a Gas car?

So, if it started the fire, why didn't it burn?:icon_wink:

[coffeebean]

So 40% of the electricity that goes into my cart was produced by renewables or nuclear. (or is it a 40% chance?) and only 60% might come from fossil fuels. What percentage of the fuel for the gas carts come from fossil fuels?

Additionally, my fuel cost per mile with the electric cart is about $0.01 while the fuel cost per mile for the gas is $0.07. Given the large difference, there must be a large gain in efficiency in either burning fossil fuels to generate electricity or in using electricity to power the cart. Either way, I seem to use significantly less oil with the electric cart, even considering the oil used for generation.

I do not want a gas cart. I prefer the quieter smoother operation of electric. I don't golf so I don't have to worry about going really long distances. Having said that........OMG, I have sticker shock from replacing the eight batteries. Total cost, installed was $1800. from Battery Boys. The guy who installed the batteries told me that pre-Covid, those same batteries went for $900. Yikes! I still will not ever purchase a gas cart though.

[coffeebean]

I always find it amusing that someone thinks I have an electric golf cart because I'm some sort of "green freak". I have an electric golf cart because it performs far better than any gas cart I've ever been in. When I step on the gas, it doesn't hesitate, it just goes.

The hesitation is what I find abhorable in a gas cart. When I said I prefer the smooth operation of an electric cart, the hesitation of a gas cart is precisely what I was referring to, followed by the smooth quietness of the electric cart. My cart does not leave that awful odor of gas for anyone following me, especially in a tunnel. That smell is stinky.

[Bill14564]

I do not want a gas cart. I prefer the quieter smoother operation of electric. I don't golf so I don't have to worry about going really long distances. Having said that........OMG, I have sticker shock from replacing the eight batteries. Total cost, installed was $1800. from Battery Boys. The guy who installed the batteries told me that pre-Covid, those same batteries went for $900. Yikes! I still will not ever purchase a gas cart though.

You might want to look into a lithium replacement for those nine, lead acid batteries. The lithium will be more expensive and will require a charger but should last longer and require no maintenance. They *might* save money over time.

[coffeebean]

Can an electric car get from one end of TV to the other and back home? How many miles can they go on a charge?

Hell NO! I wouldn't ever want to do that type of a drive in my quiet and smooth as silk electric cart, let alone a gas cart. YIKES! Who would do that? Even once? Well, maybe one person would. There is a discussion about that in the General Discussion forum currently titled "Just For The Hell Of It". But seriously folks, who would do that?

[coffeebean]

It's a matter of what kind of sound you want to listen to. New Yamaha gas carts have a low rumble, and the New electric carts have a whining sound. Each to his/her own. Don't worry, be happy.

My 2016 Yamaha electric cart does not whine at all. The only noise my cart makes at full speed is the sound of the tires on the road. That's it. Smooth as silk but certainly does not have the range of a gas cart. I don't care though because I will NEVER drive that far.

[Papa_lecki]

It must have been an electric cart. Glad I have gas.

On Sat Sept 30 around 5PM,
there was another fire in front of the sales center in Brownwood (almost across front he golf store).
Gas cart up in flames, spread to 2 other carts.

[twoplanekid]

From the VPSD October, 2023 monthly report

On Friday September 30, 2023, VPSD responded to reports of a golf cart fire in Brownwood in the
vicinity of City Fire. Upon arrival, Ladder 45 found one fully involved golf cart, parked amidst several
others on the street. The fuel cell (gas tank) on the golf cart that was on fire ruptured, causing the fuel to
ignite resulting in a "running" fire draining in the gutter towards the other nearby golf carts. This fire
extension led to damage of two additional golf carts. Due to the rapid response time and actions of Ladder
45, the fire was contained and extinguished prior to spreading any further.
Response time (dispatch to arrival) = 3 minutes and 51 seconds.

[frayedends]

So after reading all the speculation as to the cause of this, and having just returned from my first week in the Villages, with my brand new Drive 2 Quiet Tech, I am speculating a bit. We noticed a ton of heat coming up from under our seats. We have the bucket seats. We found out that part of the "quiet tech" technology is a plastic shield on the bottom of the cart, enclosing the engine to keep noise in. Well that results in a lot of heat buildup. I wonder if this could be a fire hazard.

[fdpaq0580]

So after reading all the speculation as to the cause of this, and having just returned from my first week in the Villages, with my brand new Drive 2 Quiet Tech, I am speculating a bit. We noticed a ton of heat coming up from under our seats. We have the bucket seats. We found out that part of the "quiet tech" technology is a plastic shield on the bottom of the cart, enclosing the engine to keep noise in. Well that results in a lot of heat buildup. I wonder if this could be a fire hazard.

Maybe that heat is the "bun warmer "?

[frayedends]

Maybe that heat is the "bun warmer "?

LOL, it will be great on those days it gets under 50. But in August I'm thinking I may need to make some modifications. Swamp ass is a thing. :D

[fdpaq0580]

LOL, it will be great on those days it gets under 50. But in August I'm thinking I may need to make some modifications. Swamp ass is a thing. :D

LOL! True!

[UpNorth]

So after reading all the speculation as to the cause of this, and having just returned from my first week in the Villages, with my brand new Drive 2 Quiet Tech, I am speculating a bit. We noticed a ton of heat coming up from under our seats. We have the bucket seats. We found out that part of the "quiet tech" technology is a plastic shield on the bottom of the cart, enclosing the engine to keep noise in. Well that results in a lot of heat buildup. I wonder if this could be a fire hazard.

Pure marketing for suckers. Quiet "Tech" is simply a lot of padding added around the engine and some troublesome stuff in the tailpipe to muffle the noise level.

[CoachKandSportsguy]

Nonsense.
Why? cause poster push their opinion and determined they are right. Purchase of new Gas carts will be around longer than 3 years.

:beer3:

[KennyP]

Pure marketing for suckers. Quiet "Tech" is simply a lot of padding added around the engine and some troublesome stuff in the tailpipe to muffle the noise level.
No, it is way more than that. Yamaha engineers went after everything that made noise

[CoachKandSportsguy]

There will be gas carts out there for another 10 years or more. By the year 2035 half the cars on the road will be gas powered. People keep their cars an average of 10 or more years and right now electric are less than 10 per cent of sales. Do the math.

not a fact, just a trend based prediction, extrapolating well beyond the limits of acceptable statistical significance