We Live In The Pleistocene Ice Age

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Hear a new talk at the Weather Club, "We Live In The Pleistocene Ice Age" on August 17 at 1:30 PM at Laurel Manor. We live in the coldest period of Earth's 4.5 billion year history. It's called the Pleistocene Ice Age, which started 2.5 million years ago; and with few exceptions, each Ice Age glaciation gets colder and colder. Before the Pleistocene, the Earth had no permanent ice caps - but now we do. Even though we are in an Interglacial Warming Period, many glaciers continue to grow.

[golfing eagles]

Hear a new talk at the Weather Club, "We Live In The Pleistocene Ice Age" on August 17 at 1:30 PM at Laurel Manor. We live in the coldest period of Earth's 4.5 billion year history. It's called the Pleistocene Ice Age, which started 2.5 million years ago; and with few exceptions, each Ice Age glaciation gets colder and colder. Before the Pleistocene, the Earth had no permanent ice caps - but now we do. Even though we are in an Interglacial Warming Period, many glaciers continue to grow.

Again, and I think I've repeated it many times, DON"T CONFUSE THE TRUE BELIEVING LEMMINGS WITH THE FACTS. It upsets the apple cart of their faith in the imminent, catastrophic global warming false narrative that is being crammed down everyone's throat'

[Keefelane66]

Hear a new talk at the Weather Club, "We Live In The Pleistocene Ice Age" on August 17 at 1:30 PM at Laurel Manor. We live in the coldest period of Earth's 4.5 billion year history. It's called the Pleistocene Ice Age, which started 2.5 million years ago; and with few exceptions, each Ice Age glaciation gets colder and colder. Before the Pleistocene, the Earth had no permanent ice caps - but now we do. Even though we are in an Interglacial Warming Period, many glaciers continue to grow.
And I was planning to hear about “ Tonga will be discussed in the next Weather Club meeting - Aug 17, 1:30 PM, at Laurel Manor.”

[fdpaq0580]

[QUOTE=golfing eagles;2245970
crammed down everyone's throat'[/QUOTE]

??? It's not a pill. And nobody is physically assaulting and force feeding anyone. Non-believers (there, I didn't say deniers) act like little kids sticking their fingers in their in their ears screaming "ice age, ice age" just because they don't like hearing the truth.

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And I was planning to hear about “ Tonga will be discussed in the next Weather Club meeting - Aug 17, 1:30 PM, at Laurel Manor.”

Correct. Each Weather Club talk begins with current events -- Tonga being one of them -- but only with respect to climate change.

[fdpaq0580]

By the way, the pliestocene ended around 11,700 years ago.
Welcome to the Holocene.

[Number 10 GI]

??? It's not a pill. And nobody is physically assaulting and force feeding anyone. Non-believers (there, I didn't say deniers) act like little kids sticking their fingers in their in their ears screaming "ice age, ice age" just because they don't like hearing the truth.

Same as the climate change believers that scream, climate change, climate change we're all going to die!!! Doesn't make the climate change alarmists right either.

If you remember about all the claims of doom and death that have been predicted over the years, there should be no life on our planet. So far we are still here and none of these dire predictions have happened. Keep screaming wolf and eventually no one will believe it.

[Taltarzac725]

Cloudflare CAPTCHA (https://research.amnh.org/paleontology/perissodactyl/concepts/deep-time/holocene)

From the linked article above--

The Holocene is an unfinished chapter of the Cenozoic. Observers in the future will probably identify the Holocene as the time period when human occupation was the dominant feature of the Earth’s biota. The fossil record of the Holocene will no doubt reveal that humans had a dramatic impact on the earth's climate, floras, and faunas.

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By the way, the pliestocene ended around 11,700 years ago.
Welcome to the Holocene.

We live in the Holocene Interglacial Warm Period and the Pleistocene Ice Age. Find out why -- at the Weather Club talk.

[Bill14564]

By the way, the pliestocene ended around 11,700 years ago.
Welcome to the Holocene.

No reason to let international bodies and real scientists make these determinations. Come to the weather club and hear real Villages experts tell you the scientists are wrong.

[JMintzer]

By the way, the pliestocene ended around 11,700 years ago.
Welcome to the Holocene.

Just my luck... I'm always late to the party...

[fdpaq0580]

No reason to let international bodies and real scientists make these determinations. Come to the weather club and hear real Villages experts tell you the scientists are wrong.

No reason to ........? Are you suggesting that we can all make our own determinations as to what we can call the various epochs? Boy that's going to play hell with them textbooks. I can see some wild possibilities in this.

[rsmurano]

Will the real climate scientists please stand up? The real climate scientists are not involved with the Gore and Greta Thunberg propaganda movement. That movement changes their narrative every few years to keep it going.
For example, this statement came from Gore about 15 years ago: ‘ Mr Gore, speaking at the Copenhagen climate change summit, stated the latest research showed that the Arctic could be completely ice-free in five years.’

Or how about this statement from 1 of these so called climate scientists in 2009: ‘Dr Maslowki, who works at the US Naval Postgraduate School in California, said that his latest results give a six-year projection for the melting of 80 per cent of the ice, but he said he expects some ice to remain beyond 2020.’

These statements came fro Al Gores movie from the 2006 timeframe: ‘Gore predicts that our shores will be flooded and sea-bordering cities will sink beneath the water leaving millions of people homeless. His narration tells the audience that, due to global warming, melting ice could release enough water to cause at 20-foot rise in sea level “in the near future.” ‘.

I sure didn’t buy beach front property when I bought in TV.

[sounding]

No reason to let international bodies and real scientists make these determinations. Come to the weather club and hear real Villages experts tell you the scientists are wrong.

Best advice yet -- unless you prefer more Gores.

[golfing eagles]

Best advice yet -- unless you prefer more Gores.

And yet the party just keeps rolling on...... :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[Ptmcbriz]

Learn the difference between weather and climate. Big difference.

[golfing eagles]

Learn the difference between weather and climate. Big difference.

And yet there are those, and they're on TV every day, that use the last 10 days of unusually hot WEATHER to claim proof of global CLIMATE change.

[Bill14564]

No reason to ........? Are you suggesting that we can all make our own determinations as to what we can call the various epochs? Boy that's going to play hell with them textbooks. I can see some wild possibilities in this.

Seems to be the way it works around here sometimes.

[Bill14564]

Best advice yet -- unless you prefer more Gores.

You would think I would get used to it but I am still amazed that some people point to Al Gore as a climate scientist.

For everyone's sake, I hope they don't go to Robert Young or Neil Patrick Harris for medical advice just because they played doctors on tv.

[Notsocrates]

No reason to ........? Are you suggesting that we can all make our own determinations as to what we can call the various epochs? Boy that's going to play hell with them textbooks. I can see some wild possibilities in this.

All he is asking is that you be open, listen and defer judgment. The alternative is to remain in the herd.

[Two Bills]

All he is asking is that you be open, listen and defer judgment. The alternative is to remain in the herd.

Animals that stray too far from the herd, usually die!:icon_wink:

[Vermilion Villager]

Hear a new talk at the Weather Club, "We Live In The Pleistocene Ice Age" on August 17 at 1:30 PM at Laurel Manor. We live in the coldest period of Earth's 4.5 billion year history. It's called the Pleistocene Ice Age, which started 2.5 million years ago; and with few exceptions, each Ice Age glaciation gets colder and colder. Before the Pleistocene, the Earth had no permanent ice caps - but now we do. Even though we are in an Interglacial Warming Period, many glaciers continue to grow.
And for those who can't make this meeting, next month the topic is: CHEMTRAILS!!!!:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl::1ro tfl::1rotfl::

[Barkriver]

Tell that to the people of Maui.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

This is the best thing that I've ever heard on the subject. Go ahead, attack the source but try to refute the information.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSrjAXK5pGw

[dougjb]

The Weather Club....should have its full name here....whether you believe science based by thousands of peer review articles....or whether you believe unqualified Villages "experts" who present NO peer review articles and only their opinions and those of other whackos!

Being a meteorologist is not the same as a climatologist...no matter how you stretch it!

[Bill14564]

This is the best thing that I've ever heard on the subject. Go ahead, attack the source but try to refute the information.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSrjAXK5pGw

Interesting. I think I heard:

1. Climate change is real but it's a small price to pay for the convenience of burning fossil fuels.

2. Climate change is real but we don't know the precise magnitude of how bad it will be and we like the convenience of burning fossil fuels.

3. If we use our definitions to restate what a paper claims to show then we can demonstrate that the paper doesn't show that. Oh, and we like the convenience of burning fossil fuels.

To be fair, the paper says:
Among abstracts expressing a position on AGW, 97.1% endorsed the consensus position that humans are causing global warming.

People can debate whether "humans are causing global warming" means all warming is caused by humans or whether it means the significant increase in warming is caused by humans. The video argues against the former but so would I. On the other hand, while the irrefutable proof is missing, I believe the latter.

[fdpaq0580]

All he is asking is that you be open, listen and defer judgment. The alternative is to remain in the herd.

The evidence is in and it is overwhelming. Don't defer too long, the clock is ticking.

[Cybersprings]

The evidence is in and it is overwhelming. Don't defer too long, the clock is ticking.

I am so tired of the supposed "facts." When really they are just "educated" guesses. Scientists "knowing" what the temperatures were 1000 years ago much less a million or 50 years in the future is absolute baloney. Every single day there are stories about scientists have "learned" knew things which makes what they "already knew" wrong.

Here are just a few...there are lots.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/neither-white-nor-long-haired-%C3%B6tzi-the-iceman-was-bald-and-dark-skinned/ar-AA1fm3ER?ocid=winp2fptaskbarhover&cvid=35c688d7c2d249f180ef602cf22ec4fd&ei=16

New Discoveries Changed Our Understanding of Human History (https://www.businessinsider.com/discoveries-changed-understanding-human-history-evolution-2020-12)

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And for those who can't make this meeting, next month the topic is: CHEMTRAILS!!!!:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl::1ro tfl::1rotfl::

You'd be surprised how many requested this talk.

[sounding]

The Weather Club....should have its full name here....whether you believe science based by thousands of peer review articles....or whether you believe unqualified Villages "experts" who present NO peer review articles and only their opinions and those of other whackos!

Being a meteorologist is not the same as a climatologist...no matter how you stretch it!

The traditional job description of a climatologist is one who catalogs and studies historical weather data.

[fdpaq0580]

I am so tired of the supposed "facts." When really they are just "educated" guesses. Scientists "knowing" what the temperatures were 1000 years ago much less a million or 50 years in the future is absolute baloney. Every single day there are stories about scientists have "learned" knew things which makes what they "already knew" wrong.

Here are just a few...there are lots.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/neither-white-nor-long-haired-%C3%B6tzi-the-iceman-was-bald-and-dark-skinned/ar-AA1fm3ER?ocid=winp2fptaskbarhover&cvid=35c688d7c2d249f180ef602cf22ec4fd&ei=16

New Discoveries Changed Our Understanding of Human History (https://www.businessinsider.com/discoveries-changed-understanding-human-history-evolution-2020-12)

If you don't trust science, then you shouldn't trust anyone. They'll miss you at the weather club meeting. Don't bother going to a doctor, their whole business is based in science.

[fdpaq0580]

You'd be surprised how many requested this talk.

Actually, very little surprises me any more.

[golfing eagles]

Interesting. I think I heard:

1. Climate change is real but it's a small price to pay for the convenience of burning fossil fuels.

2. Climate change is real but we don't know the precise magnitude of how bad it will be and we like the convenience of burning fossil fuels.

3. If we use our definitions to restate what a paper claims to show then we can demonstrate that the paper doesn't show that. Oh, and we like the convenience of burning fossil fuels.

To be fair, the paper says:
Among abstracts expressing a position on AGW, 97.1% endorsed the consensus position that humans are causing global warming.

People can debate whether "humans are causing global warming" means all warming is caused by humans or whether it means the significant increase in warming is caused by humans. The video argues against the former but so would I. On the other hand, while the irrefutable proof is missing, I believe the latter.

But what you didn't list is: "Climate change is real, but it has been going on in repetitive cycles for millions of years BEFORE we burned fossil fuels--and we still like burning them" :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[Bill14564]

But what you didn't list is: "Climate change is real, but it has been going on in repetitive cycles for millions of years BEFORE we burned fossil fuels--and we still like burning them" :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

I didn't hear that; I guess I need to go back and listen more carefully.

I will say that I agree with that as an explanation for part of the warming. What I don't see in that statement and I can't get out of my mind is the correlation between the increase in CO2 and the increase in the *rate* of warming. Could be a coincidence, that happens, but it could also be more.

Has AGW been proven to be the cause of the increase in rate? Not sure about that. Plenty of models and explanations for why AGW *could* be the cause though.

Worth spending $100T on? Now we're really into speculation and opinion. Renewable power, less dependence on fossil fuels, cleaner vehicles are all worth exploring. Waiting for China or India to invest in the research and development is a lost cause. Getting ahead of the game and driving the price down so that India and China can afford the "green" solutions? We're back into opinions again but that might be worthwhile.

[Topspinmo]

IMO the problem with climate too many humans and too many corn, soybeans fields, strip mines, cattle farms, fishing boats the dredge the oceans. Too many termite mounds, and many more. But overpopulation and deforestation NO 1 IMO.

[golfing eagles]

IMO the problem with climate too many humans and too many corn, soybeans fields, strip mines, cattle farms, fishing boats the dredge the oceans. Too many termite mounds, and many more. But overpopulation and deforestation NO 1 IMO.

Don't forget too many farting cows :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[Cybersprings]

If you don't trust science, then you shouldn't trust anyone. They'll miss you at the weather club meeting. Don't bother going to a doctor, their whole business is based in science.

That's just it. It's not science, it's just their current guess. So you trust them completely when they say the first thing is the truth and you trust them completely when they say that was wrong this new thing is the absolute truth? I didn't say I don't trust science. I don't trust people who claim to know what happened a million years ago and what will happen 50 years from now.

[jimjamuser]

Hear a new talk at the Weather Club, "We Live In The Pleistocene Ice Age" on August 17 at 1:30 PM at Laurel Manor. We live in the coldest period of Earth's 4.5 billion year history. It's called the Pleistocene Ice Age, which started 2.5 million years ago; and with few exceptions, each Ice Age glaciation gets colder and colder. Before the Pleistocene, the Earth had no permanent ice caps - but now we do. Even though we are in an Interglacial Warming Period, many glaciers continue to grow.
Somehow when I think of this particular Weather Club.....the concept of "cone of uncertainty" comes to mind.
.......To be serious. If you Google, "is Antarctica losing mass (melting)? You get to NASA (.com) where you see the statement. Antarctica is melting at an average rate of 150 BILLION tons per year. Greenland's loss is even greater.....losing about 270 BILLION tons per year, adding to sea level rise.
........NASA satellites show that the land ice sheets in Greenland and Antarctica have been LOSING mass since 2002.

[jimjamuser]

Hear a new talk at the Weather Club, "We Live In The Pleistocene Ice Age" on August 17 at 1:30 PM at Laurel Manor. We live in the coldest period of Earth's 4.5 billion year history. It's called the Pleistocene Ice Age, which started 2.5 million years ago; and with few exceptions, each Ice Age glaciation gets colder and colder. Before the Pleistocene, the Earth had no permanent ice caps - but now we do. Even though we are in an Interglacial Warming Period, many glaciers continue to grow.
Logically speaking, why would ANYONE believe that worldwide - glaciers are increasing? Last July was the warmest in RECORDED history and that trend is predicted by close to 100 % of all scientists to continue for the next 8 years. And it is part of MAN-MADE Global Warming. This can be proved by the increase in the ocean level worldwide that has gone up rapidly in the last few years. Also related is the CO2 increase both the oceans and in the upper atmosphere. This logically has happened because the RAPID population increase worldwide has caused humans to cut down forests and the Amazon Rain Forest, which in years past could absorb any extra CO2. And logically most CO2 production is from Internal Combustion automobile engines.

[fishon]

If the goal is depopulation, show your commitment by leading the way and being an example to others.
By and by, I’ll let you know if it works.

[golfing eagles]

Logically speaking, why would ANYONE believe that worldwide - glaciers are increasing? Last July was the warmest in RECORDED history and that trend is predicted by close to 100 % of all scientists to continue for the next 8 years. And it is part of MAN-MADE Global Warming. This can be proved by the increase in the ocean level worldwide that has gone up rapidly in the last few years. Also related is the CO2 increase both the oceans and in the upper atmosphere. This logically has happened because the RAPID population increase worldwide has caused humans to cut down forests and the Amazon Rain Forest, which in years past could absorb any extra CO2. And logically most CO2 production is from Internal Combustion automobile engines.

Logically speaking, there are about 130,000 glaciers on Earth. Thousands are growing, thousands are melting. Overall, right now, I suspect that the net is more melting, and that will continue for another 20,000 years or so. After all, it started 20,000 years ago. But wait---there weren't any internal combustion engines 20,000 years ago. And now you're up to claiming 100% of scientists. Hey, I'm a scientist and I dissent, so there goes 100%.

As far as CO2 goes, atmospheric levels appear to have increased from 300 ppm to 400 ppm over the last century or so. Carbon emissions? Maybe, but there are many possible causes. After all, there have been times when Earth's CO2 in the atmosphere has exceeded 4,000 ppm, and some of those periods were ice ages.

So, once again, this ICE theme is just more useless noise, like a fly buzzing.

[miharris]

Interesting. I think I heard:

1. Climate change is real but it's a small price to pay for the convenience of burning fossil fuels.

2. Climate change is real but we don't know the precise magnitude of how bad it will be and we like the convenience of burning fossil fuels.

3. If we use our definitions to restate what a paper claims to show then we can demonstrate that the paper doesn't show that. Oh, and we like the convenience of burning fossil fuels.

To be fair, the paper says:
Among abstracts expressing a position on AGW, 97.1% endorsed the consensus position that humans are causing global warming.

People can debate whether "humans are causing global warming" means all warming is caused by humans or whether it means the significant increase in warming is caused by humans. The video argues against the former but so would I. On the other hand, while the irrefutable proof is missing, I believe the latter.

Actually according to the Video, an analysis showed that less that 2% of the papers surveyed specifically said that human activity was the main cause of Climate change, the alleged scientific researcher admitted that he included papers where he felt that the change was anthropogenic is "implied", but not stated specifically. Pretty representative of what passes for research today, total drivel.

[Bill14564]

Actually according to the Video, an analysis showed that less that 2% of the papers surveyed specifically said that human activity was the main cause of Climate change, the alleged scientific researcher admitted that he included papers where he felt that the change was anthropogenic is "implied", but not stated specifically. Pretty representative of what passes for research today, total drivel.

The paper was misrepresented in the video. I read it today, I looked at the numbers, and I quoted directly from the paper.

If I missed something, please point out the section of the paper that I missed.

[golfing eagles]

The paper was misrepresented in the video. I read it today, I looked at the numbers, and I quoted directly from the paper.

Par for the course. There seems to be a lot of "misrepresentation" going around these days.

[Bill14564]

Par for the course. There seems to be a lot of "misrepresentation" going around these days.

Unfortunately, this does seem to be the case

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Logically speaking, why would ANYONE believe that worldwide - glaciers are increasing? Last July was the warmest in RECORDED history and that trend is predicted by close to 100 % of all scientists to continue for the next 8 years. And it is part of MAN-MADE Global Warming. This can be proved by the increase in the ocean level worldwide that has gone up rapidly in the last few years. Also related is the CO2 increase both the oceans and in the upper atmosphere. This logically has happened because the RAPID population increase worldwide has caused humans to cut down forests and the Amazon Rain Forest, which in years past could absorb any extra CO2. And logically most CO2 production is from Internal Combustion automobile engines.

Glacier info ....

[jimjamuser]

If the goal is depopulation, show your commitment by leading the way and being an example to others.
By and by, I’ll let you know if it works.
cute

[jimjamuser]

Logically speaking, there are about 130,000 glaciers on Earth. Thousands are growing, thousands are melting. Overall, right now, I suspect that the net is more melting, and that will continue for another 20,000 years or so. After all, it started 20,000 years ago. But wait---there weren't any internal combustion engines 20,000 years ago. And now you're up to claiming 100% of scientists. Hey, I'm a scientist and I dissent, so there goes 100%.

As far as CO2 goes, atmospheric levels appear to have increased from 300 ppm to 400 ppm over the last century or so. Carbon emissions? Maybe, but there are many possible causes. After all, there have been times when Earth's CO2 in the atmosphere has exceeded 4,000 ppm, and some of those periods were ice ages.

So, once again, this ICE theme is just more useless noise, like a fly buzzing.
Once again, it is nice to have a gentleman's debate that is NOT oozing snark.

[jimjamuser]

Logically speaking, there are about 130,000 glaciers on Earth. Thousands are growing, thousands are melting. Overall, right now, I suspect that the net is more melting, and that will continue for another 20,000 years or so. After all, it started 20,000 years ago. But wait---there weren't any internal combustion engines 20,000 years ago. And now you're up to claiming 100% of scientists. Hey, I'm a scientist and I dissent, so there goes 100%.

As far as CO2 goes, atmospheric levels appear to have increased from 300 ppm to 400 ppm over the last century or so. Carbon emissions? Maybe, but there are many possible causes. After all, there have been times when Earth's CO2 in the atmosphere has exceeded 4,000 ppm, and some of those periods were ice ages.

So, once again, this ICE theme is just more useless noise, like a fly buzzing.
As far as glaciers go, those thousands that are growing LOGICALLY must have had a hard time GROWING when WORLDWIDE this July was the WARMEST in recorded temperatures. Those poor little glaciers must have had to try so very hard to grow in JULY. And now along comes August, which seems pretty warm to me. And I have the sweaty shirts to prove it.

[jimjamuser]

Logically speaking, there are about 130,000 glaciers on Earth. Thousands are growing, thousands are melting. Overall, right now, I suspect that the net is more melting, and that will continue for another 20,000 years or so. After all, it started 20,000 years ago. But wait---there weren't any internal combustion engines 20,000 years ago. And now you're up to claiming 100% of scientists. Hey, I'm a scientist and I dissent, so there goes 100%.

As far as CO2 goes, atmospheric levels appear to have increased from 300 ppm to 400 ppm over the last century or so. Carbon emissions? Maybe, but there are many possible causes. After all, there have been times when Earth's CO2 in the atmosphere has exceeded 4,000 ppm, and some of those periods were ice ages.

So, once again, this ICE theme is just more useless noise, like a fly buzzing.
Just looked up the %s for agreement of scientists about Global Warming. nationalacademies.org says that 97% agree that humans are causing global warming and climate change. The Cornell Chronicle says that 99.9 % of studies agree.......humans cause Climate Change. NASA says 97 %.

[fdpaq0580]

Just looked up the %s for agreement of scientists about Global Warming. nationalacademies.org says that 97% agree that humans are causing global warming and climate change. The Cornell Chronicle says that 99.9 % of studies agree.......humans cause Climate Change. NASA says 97 %.

The thing that amazes me is that folks you think should be understanding and accept the truth for what it is, argue against it the way they do. I suspect that many of those folks know what is happening and believe it. But I also think that they see global warming as a partisan issue (which it definitely is not), and they just can't make themselves be seen changing positions.

[merrymini]

The Holocene period, which we live in, began about 12,000 years ago and began human domination of the planet, specifically because seasons became predictable and allowed for farming, more food, more people. We are not causing global warming but are probably adding to it. The Holocene began without human interference and will probably end without it. No one knows how long it will continue before the next major climate change. Live it up while you can. I would be more concerned with the crazies that have nuclear bombs that can wipe us off the face of the planet first.

[golfing eagles]

The Holocene period, which we live in, began about 12,000 years ago and began human domination of the planet, specifically because seasons became predictable and allowed for farming, more food, more people. We are not causing global warming but are probably adding to it. The Holocene began without human interference and will probably end without it. No one knows how long it will continue before the next major climate change. Live it up while you can. I would be more concerned with the crazies that have nuclear bombs that can wipe us off the face of the planet first.

So very true! The really hard to believe part is that no one has proposed spending $131 TRILLION to keep nukes away from the "crazies", like they have for fighting so called "global warming"

[fdpaq0580]

So very true! The really hard to believe part is that no one has proposed spending $131 TRILLION to keep nukes away from the "crazies", like they have for fighting so called "global warming"

That would be its own thread. Maybe start one? I would be interested in how you would propose to keep the nukes from the "crazies", seeing as how the "crazies" already have them and would likely use them before they lose them. Certainly deserving of its own thread.

[justjim]

Just looked up the %s for agreement of scientists about Global Warming. nationalacademies.org says that 97% agree that humans are causing global warming and climate change. The Cornell Chronicle says that 99.9 % of studies agree.......humans cause Climate Change. NASA says 97 %.

Many people ignore the scientific facts and have already made up their mind what they believe.

[jimjamuser]

The thing that amazes me is that folks you think should be understanding and accept the truth for what it is, argue against it the way they do. I suspect that many of those folks know what is happening and believe it. But I also think that they see global warming as a partisan issue (which it definitely is not), and they just can't make themselves be seen changing positions.
That IS possible to a certain extent. It's possible that some have stock in fossil fuels or some related industry. But, an opinion on a small talk forum like this will NOT move any stocks. I find that most who disagree with me are doing it in a conscientious manner and they REALLY believe (against the 97 NASA scientists) that man-made global warming does NOT exist.
........there is also the other problem of NOT just disagreeing, but the attempt to drown out anyone of opposite opinion in a sea of snark.

[Taltarzac725]

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[fdpaq0580]

That IS possible to a certain extent. It's possible that some have stock in fossil fuels or some related industry. But, an opinion on a small talk forum like this will NOT move any stocks. I find that most who disagree with me are doing it in a conscientious manner and they REALLY believe (against the 97 NASA scientists) that man-made global warming does NOT exist.
........there is also the other problem of NOT just disagreeing, but the attempt to drown out anyone of opposite opinion in a sea of snark.

I actually do have a shared ownership of oil land with wells, so it is in my financial interest to pump and sell oil. But I get the truth of man's interference with nature and our, dare I say "contributions", to global warming. It is painfully obvious (or should be) to any thinking and caring person taking a look at our poor planet what we have done, and are continuing to do. I feel like echoing the words of Jesus on the cross, "PITY THEM, FATHER, FOR THEY KNOW NOT WHAT THEY DO".

[golfing eagles]

I actually do have a shared ownership of oil land with wells, so it is in my financial interest to pump and sell oil. But I get the truth of man's interference with nature and our, dare I say "contributions", to global warming. It is painfully obvious (or should be) to any thinking and caring person taking a look at our poor planet what we have done, and are continuing to do. I feel like echoing the words of Jesus on the cross, "PITY THEM, FATHER, FOR THEY KNOW NOT WHAT THEY DO".

Actually, at the risk of committing blasphemy, I would paraphrase Jesus to describe the misguided true believer climate alarmists to read: "FORGIVE THEM FATHER FOR THEY KNOW NOT. PERIOD."

[Taltarzac725]

Actually, at the risk of committing blasphemy, I would paraphrase Jesus to describe the misguided true believer climate alarmists to read: "FORGIVE THEM FATHER FOR THEY KNOW NOT. PERIOD."

Jesus if he were actually divine would be able to see the past, present and future. All of it. As would God.

Humans Destroying Ecosystems: How to Measure Our Impact on the Environment (https://sentientmedia.org/humans-destroying-ecosystems/)

Jesus WEPT. This would probably be the fitting line for man's destruction of the Garden of Eden.

[fishon]

I’m not being noble, but it doesn't take much to see that the problems of these little people don't amount to a hill of beans in this big world. Someday you'll understand that. “Now, now. Here's looking at you, kid."

[golfing eagles]

Jesus if he were actually divine would be able to see the past, present and future. All of it. As would God.

Humans Destroying Ecosystems: How to Measure Our Impact on the Environment (https://sentientmedia.org/humans-destroying-ecosystems/)

Jesus WEPT. This would probably be the fitting line for man's destruction of the Garden of Eden.

But man DIDN"T "destroy" the Garden of Eden-----he was kicked out.
And using your see the future/predestination argument, why create it in the first place?????

[fdpaq0580]

But man DIDN"T "destroy" the Garden of Eden-----he was kicked out.
And using your see the future/predestination argument, why create it in the first place?????

We agree!?

[golfing eagles]

We agree!?

Oh, no! This could be a sign that the world really IS coming to and end. (but not from global warming :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:)

[Taltarzac725]

But man DIDN"T "destroy" the Garden of Eden-----he was kicked out.
And using your see the future/predestination argument, why create it in the first place?????

The Garden of Eden is supposedly in the Middle East unless it is just a metaphor for people doing evil deeds and losing God's grace.

Destroying the place where future generations will be living seems evil. Especially if the scientific community views that destruction as being able to be mitigated by man's efforts. Sticking your head in the sand and just saying it is all part of Mother Nature's designs seems like turning your back on your kids', grandkids' and great grandkids' futures.

[golfing eagles]

The Garden of Eden is supposedly in the Middle East unless it is just a metaphor for people doing evil deeds and losing God's grace.

Destroying the place where future generations will be living seems evil. Especially if the scientific community views that destruction as being able to be mitigated by man's efforts. Sticking your head in the sand and just saying it is all part of Mother Nature's designs seems like turning your back on your kids', grandkids' and great grandkids' futures.

Actually brings up an interesting question. According to Genesis, the Garden of Eden was at the confluence of 4 rivers--the Tigris, the Euphrates, and 2 that are unknown to us, putting it somewhere near the head of the Persian Gulf.

But since it is no longer there, and man was kicked out and didn't "destroy" it, what happened? Did God destroy it? But according to your post, that would make God evil. Or perhaps, the desert eventually took over, over time, just as ongoing cycles of glaciation and interglacial thaws are dominating our climate. I'd hate to think God turned his back on his children and grandchildren.

[Taltarzac725]

Actually brings up an interesting question. According to Genesis, the Garden of Eden was at the confluence of 4 rivers--the Tigris, the Euphrates, and 2 that are unknown to us, putting it somewhere near the head of the Persian Gulf.

But since it is no longer there, and man was kicked out and didn't "destroy" it, what happened? Did God destroy it? But according to your post, that would make God evil. Or perhaps, the desert eventually took over, over time, just as ongoing cycles of glaciation and interglacial thaws are dominating our climate. I'd hate to think God turned his back on his children and grandchildren.

It is still there.

[golfing eagles]

It is still there.

Really?????

Where do I sign up for a tour???

Does it depend if it is on the Iraqi side or the Iranian side of the Euphrates?

[Taltarzac725]

Really?????

Where do I sign up for a tour???

Does it depend if it is on the Iraqi side or the Iranian side of the Euphrates?

Where Is the Garden of Eden? What We Know of it'''s Location (https://www.biblestudytools.com/bible-study/topical-studies/where-is-the-garden-of-eden.html)

You kind of opened this up to religion a few posts back. I do prefer to talk about science.

[Taltarzac725]

Actually, at the risk of committing blasphemy, I would paraphrase Jesus to describe the misguided true believer climate alarmists to read: "FORGIVE THEM FATHER FOR THEY KNOW NOT. PERIOD."

Right here. You bring in religion. I prefer science and I see Global Warming clues every day on the news. As have most of the scientific community the world over. Accept Global Warming as a danger that needs to be addressed NOW.

[golfing eagles]

Where Is the Garden of Eden? What We Know of it'''s Location (https://www.biblestudytools.com/bible-study/topical-studies/where-is-the-garden-of-eden.html)

You kind of opened this up to religion a few posts back. I do prefer to talk about science.

Revisionist "history"???? and only a few posts back. It was fdp... that quoted Jesus on the cross in post # 58, the first religious reference in this thread. I merely corrected the quote to make it applicable to climate change advocates. Then YOU first mentioned the Garden of Eden. Sorry to confuse you with the facts (again)

[golfing eagles]

I actually do have a shared ownership of oil land with wells, so it is in my financial interest to pump and sell oil. But I get the truth of man's interference with nature and our, dare I say "contributions", to global warming. It is painfully obvious (or should be) to any thinking and caring person taking a look at our poor planet what we have done, and are continuing to do. I feel like echoing the words of Jesus on the cross, "PITY THEM, FATHER, FOR THEY KNOW NOT WHAT THEY DO".

Right here. You bring in religion. I prefer science and I see Global Warming clues every day on the news. As have most of the scientific community the world over. Accept Global Warming as a danger that needs to be addressed NOW.

Uhhhh. Wrong again, in 2 consecutive posts. It was not I that introduced religion to this thread. And I much prefer science. However, this "your children and grandchildren will die from global warming" or "the world will end in 2030" is NOT science---more of a pseudoscientific cult that doesn't even realize they are being used by certain powerful people to push an agenda with a HUGE profit motive and HUGE political gain. What was the term coined in years gone by? "Useful idiots"?

[Stu from NYC]

Uhhhh. Wrong again, in 2 consecutive posts. It was not I that introduced religion to this thread. And I much prefer science. However, this "your children and grandchildren will die from global warming" or "the world will end in 2030" is NOT science---more of a pseudoscientific cult that doesn't even realize they are being used by certain powerful people to push an agenda with a HUGE profit motive and HUGE political gain. What was the term coined in years gone by? "Useful idiots"?

When do usefull idiots become useless idiots? Asking for a friend

[JMintzer]

As far as glaciers go, those thousands that are growing LOGICALLY must have had a hard time GROWING when WORLDWIDE this July was the WARMEST in recorded temperatures. Those poor little glaciers must have had to try so very hard to grow in JULY. And now along comes August, which seems pretty warm to me. And I have the sweaty shirts to prove it.

What was it that you just said about having a debate without "snark"?

[JMintzer]

Just looked up the %s for agreement of scientists about Global Warming. nationalacademies.org says that 97% agree that humans are causing global warming and climate change. The Cornell Chronicle says that 99.9 % of studies agree.......humans cause Climate Change. NASA says 97 %.

How many times are you going to repeat that same old "DEBUNKED" statistic?

[Stu from NYC]

How many times are you going to repeat that same old "DEBUNKED" statistic?

Run out of fingers and toes and perhaps a spouses.

[margaretmattson]

I have been on a few missions through my church and have learned that many countries are not fixated on the mere talk of global warming and the mitigation of fossil fuels. Instead, they recognize the world is changing and are putting in the effort/money to ADAPT. Some examples that I have witnessed are:
1. Replenishing forests and restoring damaged ecosystems
2. Diversify crops so that they can adapt to changing climates.
3. Using alternate forms of energy..i.e. solar, wind, water
4. Developing plans to manage natural catastrophes.

And, there are more.

Instead of talking/arguing about what period we are now living in, isn't it more valuable to talk about how to adapt?

For the poster who keeps stating that the trillions of dollars invested is a waste of time. The concept of reversing the affects of global warming is two-fold; mitigating fossil fuels and adapting to the changes on the planet. I have witnessed with my own eyes that the dollars being spent are well worth it. Argue as you may, but the USA is behind several countries who instead of talking are putting plans into action.

Before you naysayers crush my post, during our missions, we worked side by side with scientists who are "up to speed" with global warming. I am not pulling what I have said out of my #$$. Mitigation of fossil fuels is not the ONLY thing scientists are addressing. To them, adapting is crucial. I think we all can understand this basic scientific concept: humans can not survive without food, water, or oxygen. How much money are you willing to spend to make certain you always have an ample supply of those three items?

[Taltarzac725]

I have been on a few missions through my church and have learned that many countries are not fixated on the mere talk of global warming and the mitigation of fossil fuels. Instead, they recognize the world is changing and are putting in the effort/money to ADAPT. Some examples that I have witnessed are:
1. Replenishing forests and restoring damaged ecosystems
2. Diversify crops so that they can adapt to changing climates.
3. Using alternate forms of energy..i.e. solar, wind, water
4. Developing plans to manage natural catastrophes.

And, there are more.

Instead of talking/arguing about what period we are now living in, isn't it more valuable to talk about how to adapt?

For the poster who keeps stating that the trillions of dollars invested is a waste of time. The concept of reversing the affects of global warming is two-fold; mitigating fossil fuels and adapting to the changes on the planet. I have witnessed with my own eyes that the dollars being spent are well worth it. Argue as you may, but the USA is behind several countries who instead of talking are putting plans into action.

Before you naysayers crush my post, during our missions, we worked side by side with scientists who are "up to speed" with global warming. I am not pulling what I have said out of my #$$. Mitigation of fossil fuels is not the ONLY thing scientists are addressing. To them, adapting is crucial. I think we all can understand this basic scientific concept: humans can not survive without food, water, or oxygen. How much money are you willing to spend to make certain you always have an ample supply of those three items?

Thanks for adding a voice of reason combined with real life experiences.

[golfing eagles]

Thanks for adding a voice of reason combined with real life experiences.

Actually, not so much

[fdpaq0580]

Actually, not so much

As expected. Have a nice day.

[golfing eagles]

As expected. Have a nice day.

I didn’t want to disappoint you 😂😂😂😁
Have a great day!