Walkers on golf cart pathways

[ghg7689]

Most walkers on golf cart pathways walk in the direction of the traffic. Logically, this is so they can see oncoming traffic with the intent to avoid getting run over.
Unfortunately, most times it becomes a game of “chicken”.
The intent of seeing the traffic allows the walkers to avoid the traffic by moving on the grass as a courtesy instead of forcing the golf carts onto the oncoming traffic.
It is especially frustrating and dangerous when traffic is on both sides of the path the walker remains on the pathway forcing the traffic to avoid the walker and onto the oncoming traffic.
If a walker refuses to yield to traffic, than walk on the side with the direction of the traffic.
Then the traffic is required to avoid the walker as the walker strolls merrily down the pathway.

[Bogie Shooter]

It’s a multi-modal pathway.

:popcorn::popcorn:

[charlie1]

you got to be joking! Walkers are allowed on the multimodal paths! Also, you should always walk against the flow of traffic where motor vehicles are present. A cart is a motor vehicle. If there is a walker coming toward you - SLOW DOWN - and past only when it is safe. It is not a game of chicken! You can't be in that much of a hurry to not drive safely!

[rjm1cc]

No problem passing a walker who movers over to the edge. We all have to share.

[PJMac]

Wow

[Marathon Man]

Most walkers on golf cart pathways walk in the direction of the traffic. Logically, this is so they can see oncoming traffic with the intent to avoid getting run over.
Unfortunately, most times it becomes a game of “chicken”.
The intent of seeing the traffic allows the walkers to avoid the traffic by moving on the grass as a courtesy instead of forcing the golf carts onto the oncoming traffic.
It is especially frustrating and dangerous when traffic is on both sides of the path the walker remains on the pathway forcing the traffic to avoid the walker and onto the oncoming traffic.
If a walker refuses to yield to traffic, than walk on the side with the direction of the traffic.
Then the traffic is required to avoid the walker as the walker strolls merrily down the pathway.

I agree that moving over into oncoming traffic is dangerous (and the opposite of smart). And since you seem to be admitting to this dangerous action, please stop driving.

[billethkid]

Looks/sounds like bait to me!!

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:censored:

[Topspinmo]

Most walkers on golf cart pathways walk in the direction of the traffic. Logically, this is so they can see oncoming traffic with the intent to avoid getting run over.
Unfortunately, most times it becomes a game of “chicken”.
The intent of seeing the traffic allows the walkers to avoid the traffic by moving on the grass as a courtesy instead of forcing the golf carts onto the oncoming traffic.
It is especially frustrating and dangerous when traffic is on both sides of the path the walker remains on the pathway forcing the traffic to avoid the walker and onto the oncoming traffic.
If a walker refuses to yield to traffic, than walk on the side with the direction of the traffic.
Then the traffic is required to avoid the walker as the walker strolls merrily down the pathway.


I don’t have that problem when I walk, I just step off the path/diamond lane and remove any chance of getting hit. That way I don’t have argue who’s right or who’s wrong.

[Bill14564]

Plenty of room in my area for the walker to move to the edge of the trail and carts pass both directions at the same time. Been there, done that.

ALWAYS walk facing golf cart traffic. Those electric ones are quiet and will sneak up on you.

[MrFlorida]

Wow, first post and already complaining..

[golfing eagles]

Wow, first post and already complaining..

Might as well get an early start :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

The only time I can think of that a pedestrian wouldn't be able to move out of the way, is on the golf cart bridge over 441. There's barely enough room for two golf carts to pass each other, there is no room at all for two carts, plus anything else. In that case, the person going in the same direction the pedestrian is walking, needs to - not get that close to the pedestrian. So the cart on the other side can safely continue over the bridge. And then that first golf cart can then move over and pass the pedestrian. If it's a bicycle, you normally would just wait til the bike gets to the top of the bridge, and roll up behind them, and follow them to the other side til they're able to give you room to pass them.

No idea what the actual rules are for that situation but that's been what people have been doing since I moved in, and it seems to work fine.

[manaboutown]

They are NOT "golf cart pathways" as the OP calls them. They are "multi-modal paths". Share the paths!

Multi-Modal Path Information and Safety (https://www.districtgov.org/community/MultiModal.aspx)

[DonH57]

Not surprising so many people don't understand just because the paths have a divider line and have the belief the paths are for golf carts only. Pure selfishness. I've heard golf cart drivers yell at walkers to get off the path like they think they own them. Usually the ones running late for their tee times because they have poor time management.

[golfing eagles]

Not surprising so many people don't understand just because the paths have a divider line and have the belief the paths are for golf carts only. Pure selfishness. I've heard golf cart drivers yell at walkers to get off the path like they think they own them. Usually the ones running late for their tee times because they have poor time management.

I think I ran into that guy. He came up from a tunnel to merge into the main MMP and blew right through the stop sign at full speed just in front of me (He must have thought he was a cyclist:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:). When I reminded him of his wrongdoing with my horn, he gave me a one finger salute. When we both had to stop shortly after at a gate crossing, I verbally reminded him that the sign is big, red, octagonal and means STOP. He told me to blow it out my you know what. I was seriously tempted to give him a roadside colonoscopy with his pitching wedge---sideways.

[Bogie Shooter]

I think I ran into that guy. He came up from a tunnel to merge into the main MMP and blew right through the stop sign at full speed just in front of me (He must have thought he was a cyclist:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:). When I reminded him of his wrongdoing with my horn, he gave me a one finger salute. When we both had to stop shortly after at a gate crossing, I verbally reminded him that the sign is big, red, octagonal and means STOP. He told me to blow it out my you know what. I was seriously tempted to give him a roadside colonoscopy with his pitching wedge---sideways.

Wouldn’t giving someone a colonoscopy without consent be considered harassment?:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[golfing eagles]

Wouldn’t giving someone a colonoscopy without consent be considered harassment?:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

More like ASSault :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[Stu from NYC]

Might as well get an early start :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Why wait till the last minute

[JMintzer]

Wouldn’t be considerate just to step off path other than demand I am walking here.

Also the path not intended walk side by side then take up the whole path either. Single file when traffic approaches would be polite.

There are many places where one cannot "just step off the path"...

Places where there is thick landscaping abutting the path...

And no one ever suggested walking two abreast (when traffic approaches) was a good idea...

[DAVES]

Most walkers on golf cart pathways walk in the direction of the traffic. Logically, this is so they can see oncoming traffic with the intent to avoid getting run over.
Unfortunately, most times it becomes a game of “chicken”.
The intent of seeing the traffic allows the walkers to avoid the traffic by moving on the grass as a courtesy instead of forcing the golf carts onto the oncoming traffic.
It is especially frustrating and dangerous when traffic is on both sides of the path the walker remains on the pathway forcing the traffic to avoid the walker and onto the oncoming traffic.
If a walker refuses to yield to traffic, than walk on the side with the direction of the traffic.
Then the traffic is required to avoid the walker as the walker strolls merrily down the pathway.

A game of chicken is a childish thought. The thought should always be it is not your job to teach others a lesson. Your job is to see ALL do not get injured. Even the term accident is false. In a car, golf cart, well over 90% of accidents are avoidable. Thus, what we call an accident is a dumb action.

Should be. Walkers should use the sidewalk if there is one. If,there is no sidewalk walkers should walk against the flow of traffic so they can see golf carts and cars coming at them. IN A RUSH?
What do you save. The legal speed for a golf cart is 20 mph otherwise you need plates, insurance and a driver's license.

For too many, HURRY UP AND RELAX.

[Topspinmo]

They are NOT "golf cart pathways" as the OP calls them. They are "multi-modal paths". Share the paths!

Multi-Modal Path Information and Safety (https://www.districtgov.org/community/MultiModal.aspx)


Share don’t mean hogging.

[Topspinmo]

There are many places where one cannot "just step off the path"...

Places where there is thick landscaping abutting the path...

And no one ever suggested walking two abreast (when traffic approaches) was a good idea...

And there are many places you can step off path, but they don’t. And there are many who walk 2 three or 4 abreast and don’t get out of way. Safety first, argue later.

[DAVES]

Not surprising so many people don't understand just because the paths have a divider line and have the belief the paths are for golf carts only. Pure selfishness. I've heard golf cart drivers yell at walkers to get off the path like they think they own them. Usually the ones running late for their tee times because they have poor time management.

We/I seem to notice the FOOLS. It is the same people everywhere. I call them astronomers.
They were always like that sure the world revolves around them.

[Topspinmo]

A game of chicken is a childish thought. The thought should always be it is not your job to teach others a lesson. Your job is to see ALL do not get injured. Even the term accident is false. In a car, golf cart, well over 90% of accidents are avoidable. Thus, what we call an accident is a dumb action.

Should be. Walkers should use the sidewalk if there is one. If,there is no sidewalk walkers should walk against the flow of traffic so they can see golf carts and cars coming at them. IN A RUSH?
What do you save. The legal speed for a golf cart is 20 mph otherwise you need plates, insurance and a driver's license.

For too many, HURRY UP AND RELAX.

Exactly, that’s why when in doubt I step of street or path. Safety first.

[Topspinmo]

Wouldn’t giving someone a colonoscopy without consent be considered harassment?:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

No, and attitude adjustment :oops:

[DonH57]

I think I ran into that guy. He came up from a tunnel to merge into the main MMP and blew right through the stop sign at full speed just in front of me (He must have thought he was a cyclist:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:). When I reminded him of his wrongdoing with my horn, he gave me a one finger salute. When we both had to stop shortly after at a gate crossing, I verbally reminded him that the sign is big, red, octagonal and means STOP. He told me to blow it out my you know what. I was seriously tempted to give him a roadside colonoscopy with his pitching wedge---sideways.

LOL ! Without lube I assume!

[Garywt]

Most walkers on golf cart pathways walk in the direction of the traffic. Logically, this is so they can see oncoming traffic with the intent to avoid getting run over.
Unfortunately, most times it becomes a game of “chicken”.
The intent of seeing the traffic allows the walkers to avoid the traffic by moving on the grass as a courtesy instead of forcing the golf carts onto the oncoming traffic.
It is especially frustrating and dangerous when traffic is on both sides of the path the walker remains on the pathway forcing the traffic to avoid the walker and onto the oncoming traffic.
If a walker refuses to yield to traffic, than walk on the side with the direction of the traffic.
Then the traffic is required to avoid the walker as the walker strolls merrily down the pathway.

If you are heading towards a walker and carts are approaching you are required to stop and wait for the oncoming traffic to pass. Golf Carts are low man on the totem pole and pedestrians have the right of way. You cannot cross to the other side of the path forcing others off the path. If the walkers choose to move to the grass then you are fine.

[dhdallas]

Most walkers on golf cart pathways walk in the direction of the traffic. Logically, this is so they can see oncoming traffic with the intent to avoid getting run over.
Unfortunately, most times it becomes a game of “chicken”.
The intent of seeing the traffic allows the walkers to avoid the traffic by moving on the grass as a courtesy instead of forcing the golf carts onto the oncoming traffic.
It is especially frustrating and dangerous when traffic is on both sides of the path the walker remains on the pathway forcing the traffic to avoid the walker and onto the oncoming traffic.
If a walker refuses to yield to traffic, than walk on the side with the direction of the traffic.
Then the traffic is required to avoid the walker as the walker strolls merrily down the pathway.

"Most walkers on golf cart pathways walk in the direction of the traffic. Logically, this is so they can see oncoming traffic with the intent to avoid getting run over." Really? If you are walking in the same direction as the traffic then the carts are coming up behind you. You need to walk against the direction of traffic. As far as moving into the grass, pedestrians do have the right-of-way but with every other golf cart driver being drunk, speeding, inattentive, senile, etc., it is prudent to move off the path.

[MorTech]

I would rather see it coming than be hit from behind...although, I would take a blindfold in front of a firing squad...and a cigarette.

[MorTech]

If you are heading towards a walker and carts are approaching you are required to stop and wait for the oncoming traffic to pass. Golf Carts are low man on the totem pole and pedestrians have the right of way. You cannot cross to the other side of the path forcing others off the path. If the walkers choose to move to the grass then you are fine.

Correct. Golf carts always have to yield to all others...Except snakes.

[Raywatkins]

Look in Florida Drivers handbook.
Pedestrians have right of way.

[Altawood]

All of the ‘Cart Paths’ are multi-modal transportation arteries made for Pedestrians, Bicycles and Golf Carts. Courtesy would dictate that pedestrians walk to the side to allow others to pass. I have seen drivers texting while navigating carts down the path which is wholly irresponsible.
The Multi-Modal Paths are not Golf Cart Paths.

Most walkers on golf cart pathways walk in the direction of the traffic. Logically, this is so they can see oncoming traffic with the intent to avoid getting run over.
Unfortunately, most times it becomes a game of “chicken”.
The intent of seeing the traffic allows the walkers to avoid the traffic by moving on the grass as a courtesy instead of forcing the golf carts onto the oncoming traffic.
It is especially frustrating and dangerous when traffic is on both sides of the path the walker remains on the pathway forcing the traffic to avoid the walker and onto the oncoming traffic.
If a walker refuses to yield to traffic, than walk on the side with the direction of the traffic.
Then the traffic is required to avoid the walker as the walker strolls merrily down the pathway.

[Sandy and Ed]

I don’t have that problem when I walk, I just step off the path/diamond lane and remove any chance of getting hit. That way I don’t have argue who’s right or who’s wrong.
And courtesy is a two way street. I walk slower than a cart and if I’m walking I probably am not in a rush to make a tee time. Just step off the road and let them pass. No big deal.

[pvetrano1]

Another genius !

[mikeycereal]

When I see a walker on the golf cart path I slow down and give them a wide berth whether they are facing me or not. That's their choice to walk either way but I walk facing traffic so I can see people coming. I myself would not walk on a golf cart path because I don't trust other drivers. I would be one who would calmly step in the grass when I see a cart coming. But I'll just stick to the walking/bike paths and enjoy those.

[Carlsondm]

First it’s a multimodal path (MMP), not just a cart path. Second, the walkers did not design the paths or there would be extra room in places to get over safely. Landscaping comes down to the mmp frequently, so walkers and other users have to be patient and courteous. Slow down and enjoy the trip. It’s a great way to meet new people!

[Bogie Shooter]

When I see a walker on the golf cart path I slow down and give them a wide berth whether they are facing me or not. That's their choice to walk either way but I walk facing traffic so I can see people coming. I myself would not walk on a golf cart path because I don't trust other drivers. I would be one who would calmly step in the grass when I see a cart coming. But I'll just stick to the walking/bike paths and enjoy those.

I have only once in 20 years seen a walker on “the golf cart path”, now multi-modal………

[ffresh]

They are NOT "golf cart pathways" as the OP calls them. They are "multi-modal paths". Share the paths!

Multi-Modal Path Information and Safety (https://www.districtgov.org/community/MultiModal.aspx)

With a bit of research, I believe you will conclude that these are not multi-modals paths being referred to but specialty lanes (within the boundary of a roadway). While it is perfectly acceptable for pedestrians to utilize multi-modal paths, FL statutes prohibit pedestrians from walking on the road surface if a sidewalk is provided - not directed toward you but DUH :shrug:

Blackie covered it very well in the following response in 2017:
12-20-2017, 08:37 PM

Florida Statute 316.130 Pedestrians; traffic regulations.—

(3) Where sidewalks are provided, no pedestrian shall, unless required by other circumstances, walk along and upon the portion of a roadway paved for vehicular traffic.

4) Where sidewalks are not provided, any pedestrian walking along and upon a highway shall, when practicable, walk only on the shoulder on the left side of the roadway in relation to the pedestrian’s direction of travel, facing traffic which may approach from the opposite direction.

"I believe all of the roads that have diamond lanes, south of 466, have sidewalks so Statute 316.130 (3) would apply. Being in the road/diamond lane is illegal you must be on the sidewalk.

If you are talking about north of 466, where there may not be a sidewalk, then Statute 316.130 (4) applies and you are taking a big chance".

In the United States and Canada, a diamond lane is a special lane on a street or highway that is reserved for specific types of traffic. These lanes are usually marked with white diamonds or lozenges, and hence their name. (Wikipedia)

Multimodal paths are sometimes located adjacent to a roadway but are usually separated by a barrier

https://www.**************.com/2018/09/23/multi-modal-paths-are-not-only-for-golf-carts/
Multi-modal or Shared-Use Paths are paved, off-street travel ways designed to serve non-motorized travelers. Across our community, golf carts and bicyclists are typically the most common users of shared-use paths. However, shared-use paths are frequently also used by pedestrians, roller skaters, skateboarders, wheelchair users, and users of many other modes except automotive.

Diamonds painted on the road indicate a restricted lane, which means only vehicles meeting certain criteria may use the lane

Multi-modal or Shared-Use Paths are paved, off-street travel ways designed to serve non-motorized travelers.

From Topic #625-000-002
FDOT Design Manual

https://
www.fdot.gov/docs/default-source/roadway/FDM/current/2018FDM224SharedUsePaths.pdf (https://www.fdot.gov/docs/default-source/roadway/FDM/current/2018FDM224SharedUsePaths.pdf)

224 Shared Use Paths
224.1 General
This chapter contains the requirements for shared use paths that are contained within the State Highway System. Shared use paths are paved facilities physically separated from motorized vehicular traffic by an open space or barrier ...

FredF

[msilagy]

It's interesting when walking on a golf cart path with the walking villagers and we all are single file on the edge many of the golf carts go flying by without any regard to the walkers while others are more aware and polite and slow down. The latter are greatly appreciated. We try to stay off these paths but with 6 mi walks sometimes it's necessary. Says a lot about courtesy, doesn't it????

[graciegirl]

Most walkers on golf cart pathways walk in the direction of the traffic. Logically, this is so they can see oncoming traffic with the intent to avoid getting run over.
Unfortunately, most times it becomes a game of “chicken”.
The intent of seeing the traffic allows the walkers to avoid the traffic by moving on the grass as a courtesy instead of forcing the golf carts onto the oncoming traffic.
It is especially frustrating and dangerous when traffic is on both sides of the path the walker remains on the pathway forcing the traffic to avoid the walker and onto the oncoming traffic.
If a walker refuses to yield to traffic, than walk on the side with the direction of the traffic.
Then the traffic is required to avoid the walker as the walker strolls merrily down the pathway.

When the walker on the golf cart path is walking "wrong", than it is up to us drivers to slow down and go carefully around said walker.

Next?

[jimbomaybe]

Most walkers on golf cart pathways walk in the direction of the traffic. Logically, this is so they can see oncoming traffic with the intent to avoid getting run over.
Unfortunately, most times it becomes a game of “chicken”.
The intent of seeing the traffic allows the walkers to avoid the traffic by moving on the grass as a courtesy instead of forcing the golf carts onto the oncoming traffic.
It is especially frustrating and dangerous when traffic is on both sides of the path the walker remains on the pathway forcing the traffic to avoid the walker and onto the oncoming traffic.
If a walker refuses to yield to traffic, than walk on the side with the direction of the traffic.
Then the traffic is required to avoid the walker as the walker strolls merrily down the pathway.
In the unfortunate event you are involved with a traffic altercation with your golf cart and a pedestrian you could be asked why your post seems to suggest you would have the right of way over a pedestrian

[golfing eagles]

Most walkers on golf cart pathways walk in the direction of the traffic. Logically, this is so they can see oncoming traffic with the intent to avoid getting run over.
Unfortunately, most times it becomes a game of “chicken”.
The intent of seeing the traffic allows the walkers to avoid the traffic by moving on the grass as a courtesy instead of forcing the golf carts onto the oncoming traffic.
It is especially frustrating and dangerous when traffic is on both sides of the path the walker remains on the pathway forcing the traffic to avoid the walker and onto the oncoming traffic.
If a walker refuses to yield to traffic, than walk on the side with the direction of the traffic.
Then the traffic is required to avoid the walker as the walker strolls merrily down the pathway.

A couple problems with that post:

A walker is not required to jump off the path when a cart (or cycle) approaches. Plus, there are sections of MMP that just don't have the space to do that.

A "courtesy" is just that, the pedestrian is not required to give a courtesy. On the other hand, the cart is required to yield the right of way.

A cart driver is not forced to drive in the opposite "lane" or into oncoming traffic by a pedestrian, he chooses to do so. The law would suggest he must take the other option---STOP or slow down until the oncoming lane is clear. I have no idea why any cart driver would think they are entitled to drive at max speed on a MMP, never slowing down, stopping or yielding. Actually, I do, I just wrote it----ENTITLEMENT

And finally, the last 2 sentences of the OP suggests that a cart only has to avoid pedestrians walking in the same direction as he is. Please don't test THAT theory.

[NotGolfer]

I think I ran into that guy. He came up from a tunnel to merge into the main MMP and blew right through the stop sign at full speed just in front of me (He must have thought he was a cyclist:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:). When I reminded him of his wrongdoing with my horn, he gave me a one finger salute. When we both had to stop shortly after at a gate crossing, I verbally reminded him that the sign is big, red, octagonal and means STOP. He told me to blow it out my you know what. I was seriously tempted to give him a roadside colonoscopy with his pitching wedge---sideways.

We've all encountered someone like that if we've lived here any amount of time. I recall a guy coming out of a tunnel right after I'd passed it, over by the Sherrif's annex on 466. Apparently the guy was in a hurry for his softball game (he had on the clothes) and was late. Traffic was coming our way and he wanted to get past me. He was cursing and waving his fist. My first inclination would have been to slow down a bit just to be stubborn but thought it wasn't worth it, so pulled over. He went to pass me but stopped long enough to curse further. Hope he had a "good" day! Another time I was with a friend and had to stop at an intersection to cross. It was at that round-about going into LSL off of Buena Vista. Couldn't go as the car traffic was dense so the line behind me kept building. A guy about 3 or 4 carts back began to curse as he wanted things to move. My thought was "WOW!! So I should get killed so he can get wherever he felt he was more important to go??" People here need to dial it back. One day they might encounter someone who they can't intimidate!!

[golfing eagles]

We've all encountered someone like that if we've lived here any amount of time. I recall a guy coming out of a tunnel right after I'd passed it, over by the Sherrif's annex on 466. Apparently the guy was in a hurry for his softball game (he had on the clothes) and was late. Traffic was coming our way and he wanted to get past me. He was cursing and waving his fist. My first inclination would have been to slow down a bit just to be stubborn but thought it wasn't worth it, so pulled over. He went to pass me but stopped long enough to curse further. Hope he had a "good" day! Another time I was with a friend and had to stop at an intersection to cross. It was at that round-about going into LSL off of Buena Vista. Couldn't go as the car traffic was dense so the line behind me kept building. A guy about 3 or 4 carts back began to curse as he wanted things to move. My thought was "WOW!! So I should get killed so he can get wherever he felt he was more important to go??" People here need to dial it back. One day they might encounter someone who they can't intimidate!!

So true, but as my son would say "It's a first world problem". And if these things are the worst we have to put up with, we're lucky--luckier than the 31 people who were shot in Chicago on a single weekend a few weeks back.

[tophcfa]

Look in Florida Drivers Handbook.

I follow the law of physics handbook. Anything bigger and going faster has the right of way. The last thing in the world I want is to wind up in the hell hole that is the Village’s Hospital ER.

[Lottoguy]

Ouch! There is so much wrong with your post about how the paths work. Others will chime in, I don't have the time.

[njpugjr]

Most walkers on golf cart pathways walk in the direction of the traffic. Logically, this is so they can see oncoming traffic with the intent to avoid getting run over.
Unfortunately, most times it becomes a game of “chicken”.
The intent of seeing the traffic allows the walkers to avoid the traffic by moving on the grass as a courtesy instead of forcing the golf carts onto the oncoming traffic.
It is especially frustrating and dangerous when traffic is on both sides of the path the walker remains on the pathway forcing the traffic to avoid the walker and onto the oncoming traffic.
If a walker refuses to yield to traffic, than walk on the side with the direction of the traffic.
Then the traffic is required to avoid the walker as the walker strolls merrily down the pathway.

I hate to break it to you but the walker has the right of way not the golf cart. The paths are called bi-modal meaning they have traffic from walkers, bikes and golf carts. Non motorized vehicles have the right of way ,so walkers first then bikes then golf carts. Get it?

[Velvet]

And courtesy is a two way street. I walk slower than a cart and if I’m walking I probably am not in a rush to make a tee time. Just step off the road and let them pass. No big deal.

I’m not sure why the golf cart has the right of way. I thought that on multimodal paths everyone has equal right of way. The golf cart can wait till it is safe to pass the walker and then do so. It is hubris to think the multi modal path was made for just for YOU. Whether you’re a dog walker taking up both sides of the path with your dogs or pedestrians walking side by side in a group or a golf cart driver in a rush.

[Freehiker]

I don’t have an issue with walkers. The only thing that is crazy is I come up on a TON of people walking on the inside lane of a curve. Cart drivers can’t see them until they are right on top of them.

[golfing eagles]

I don’t have an issue with walkers. The only thing that is crazy is I come up on a TON of people walking on the inside lane of a curve. Cart drivers can’t see them until they are right on top of them.

You can if you slow way down as you approach the curve

[Bill14564]

I don’t have an issue with walkers. The only thing that is crazy is I come up on a TON of people walking on the inside lane of a curve. Cart drivers can’t see them until they are right on top of them.

When I am in that situation I try to walk in the center of the lane. This way I can see farther around the corner and, hopefully, be seen sooner by someone approaching. Then I move to the edge of the path to leave as much room as possibly for the cart I am about to meet.

[Inexes@aol.com]

I think I ran into that guy. He came up from a tunnel to merge into the main MMP and blew right through the stop sign at full speed just in front of me (He must have thought he was a cyclist:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:). When I reminded him of his wrongdoing with my horn, he gave me a one finger salute. When we both had to stop shortly after at a gate crossing, I verbally reminded him that the sign is big, red, octagonal and means STOP. He told me to blow it out my you know what. I was seriously tempted to give him a roadside colonoscopy with his pitching wedge---sideways.
I LOVE IT....... lol

[Pairadocs]

[QUOTE=ghg7689;2246714]Most walkers on golf cart pathways walk in the direction of the traffic. Logically, this is so they can see oncoming traffic with the intent to avoid getting run over.
Unfortunately, most times it becomes a game of “chicken”.
The intent of seeing the traffic allows the walkers to avoid the traffic by moving on the grass as a courtesy instead of forcing the golf carts onto the oncoming traffic.
It is especially frustrating and dangerous when traffic is on both sides of the path the walker remains on the pathway forcing the traffic to avoid the walker and onto the oncoming traffic.
If a walker refuses to yield to traffic, than walk on the side with the direction of the traffic.
Then the traffic is required to avoid the walker as the walker strolls merrily down the pathway.


Surely there is some misunderstanding on your part concerning the unique "multi-modal" paths our community offers. Might be you fault, or, possibly you just had a less than stellar instructor when you went to the new resident orientation. Which ever, you really do need to take the orientation again, or ask a long time resident to explain that carts and bikes must give pedestrians the right of way (exactly like Florida laws that even if there is NOT a stop sign, you MUST stop if pedestrians are walking in front of your auto). For the most part our community does not have many sidewalks, so it is imperative that you get a better understanding that carts do not take precedence over those talking a walk or riding their bikes.

[Pairadocs]

Look in Florida Drivers handbook.
Pedestrians have right of way.

YES, it's amazing how many people move here and have NO desire to learn about their "new" state or even their new community. Multi-modal paths are new to many people (same with traffic circles), but wonder the percentage that actually attend the orientation sessions ?

[Pairadocs]

Wouldn’t giving someone a colonoscopy without consent be considered harassment?:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:
How many people have any of us met who are in the "wrong", committed a behavior that is actually very dangerous, and then if it is brought to their attention, they posture and puff up and, like this person, the only thing they have to back up their position are really nasty words and gestures ? ? You can tell them every time. They have no support for what they have done, so they have to revert to the lowest level of their "intellect". Letting people like this know that you recognize how illegal or dangerous their behavior is, you can at the least expect some really nasty vocabulary, and it could result in a bad beating or even being shot these days ! Civil behavior in a community designed for older folks is FAR from "civil" here !

[bcsnave]

All kidding aside, I think everyone needs to respect each others rights and their safety. That being said, this is a two way street. If walking or bicycling, and a golf car is behind you, have some respect and courtesy to move over when you are able to.

[Freehiker]

You can if you slow way down as you approach the curve

Good luck with that around here!

:gc:


I slow down plenty because I don’t want to hit anyone, but walkers should be smart enough to stay visible as well.

[VApeople]

My wife and I love to walk together but we stay away from multi-modal paths. They are much too dangerous.

[kendi]

Most walkers on golf cart pathways walk in the direction of the traffic. Logically, this is so they can see oncoming traffic with the intent to avoid getting run over.
Unfortunately, most times it becomes a game of “chicken”.
The intent of seeing the traffic allows the walkers to avoid the traffic by moving on the grass as a courtesy instead of forcing the golf carts onto the oncoming traffic.
It is especially frustrating and dangerous when traffic is on both sides of the path the walker remains on the pathway forcing the traffic to avoid the walker and onto the oncoming traffic.
If a walker refuses to yield to traffic, than walk on the side with the direction of the traffic.
Then the traffic is required to avoid the walker as the walker strolls merrily down the pathway.

The solution is to simply slow down relax and politely deal with the situation at hand. No one will ever always be satisfied with what others do. I’m sure you’ve irritated a few in your lifetime as we all have. Really helps when a person makes helping others more important than getting their own way.

[kendi]

Good luck with that around here!

:gc:


I slow down plenty because I don’t want to hit anyone, but walkers should be smart enough to stay visible as well.

Absolutely!! Both parties are responsible.

[kendi]

How many people have any of us met who are in the "wrong", committed a behavior that is actually very dangerous, and then if it is brought to their attention, they posture and puff up and, like this person, the only thing they have to back up their position are really nasty words and gestures ? ? You can tell them every time. They have no support for what they have done, so they have to revert to the lowest level of their "intellect". Letting people like this know that you recognize how illegal or dangerous their behavior is, you can at the least expect some really nasty vocabulary, and it could result in a bad beating or even being shot these days ! Civil behavior in a community designed for older folks is FAR from "civil" here !

I will never forget the day decades ago in my 20s when I first realized some don’t get wiser as they get older. I was walking into Walgreens when an old man as nasty as can be was coming out. At that age and still hadn’t learned how to control his emotions. Reminded me of a two yo. I was shocked and definitely let down by this realization. I have since come to the conclusion that many never learn. I also learned that you never know how your actions will affect another. That man was probably too angry to even notice I was there. But he sure made a huge impression that has lasted a lifetime.

[Topspinmo]

A couple problems with that post:

A walker is not required to jump off the path when a cart (or cycle) approaches. Plus, there are sections of MMP that just don't have the space to do that.

A "courtesy" is just that, the pedestrian is not required to give a courtesy. On the other hand, the cart is required to yield the right of way.

A cart driver is not forced to drive in the opposite "lane" or into oncoming traffic by a pedestrian, he chooses to do so. The law would suggest he must take the other option---STOP or slow down until the oncoming lane is clear. I have no idea why any cart driver would think they are entitled to drive at max speed on a MMP, never slowing down, stopping or yielding. Actually, I do, I just wrote it----ENTITLEMENT

And finally, the last 2 sentences of the OP suggests that a cart only has to avoid pedestrians walking in the same direction as he is. Please don't test THAT theory.


So I got 3 walkers coming towards me blocking the whole lane with some traffic coming. I come to stop in my lane. Somebody has to give. I either have move off path into grass or to opposite lane when clear. Or the walkers stop, have to fall in single file, or step off till congestion clears. It’s not always clear cut. Nobody should demand right of way but give way to stay safe. if they don’t that entitlement IMO.

[Topspinmo]

I will never forget the day decades ago in my 20s when I first realized some don’t get wiser as they get older. I was walking into Walgreens when an old man as nasty as can be was coming out. At that age and still hadn’t learned how to control his emotions. Reminded me of a two yo. I was shocked and definitely let down by this realization. I have since come to the conclusion that many never learn. I also learned that you never know how your actions will affect another. That man was probably too angry to even notice I was there. But he sure made a huge impression that has lasted a lifetime.

Some never get wiser. :shocked:

[russtcc]

I would suggest walkers always walk facing any type of traffic on any type of path that has wheels (including bicycles). With the advent of electric bicycles their speed changes things. I had an electric bicycle pass my cart and I was doing 20!

[Bill14564]

So I got 3 walkers coming towards me blocking the whole lane with some traffic coming. I come to stop in my lane. Somebody has to give. I either have move off path into grass or to opposite lane when clear. Or the walkers stop, have to fall in single file, or step off till congestion clears. It’s not always clear cut. Nobody should demand right of way but give way to stay safe. if they don’t that entitlement IMO.

If I was approached by walkers side by side I would stop the cart in the right-hand half of the MMP and wait for them to decide what they want to do.


- I can't drive into them. They can't climb over my cart.
- I'm retired and can probably miss whatever I am heading towards. They are just out for a walk with no place in particular to go.
- I'm sitting down, probably in the shade, with music to listen to. They are standing, maybe in the sun.


The right solution, of course, is for the cart to slow until the oncoming cart has passed then move towards the other lane to make room and for the walkers to converge to a single-file line near the edge of the MMP.

Unfortunately, these days common courtesy is not as common as it ought to be and compromise is too often seen as losing.

[Velvet]

We've all encountered someone like that if we've lived here any amount of time. I recall a guy coming out of a tunnel right after I'd passed it, over by the Sherrif's annex on 466. Apparently the guy was in a hurry for his softball game (he had on the clothes) and was late. Traffic was coming our way and he wanted to get past me. He was cursing and waving his fist. My first inclination would have been to slow down a bit just to be stubborn but thought it wasn't worth it, so pulled over. He went to pass me but stopped long enough to curse further. Hope he had a "good" day! Another time I was with a friend and had to stop at an intersection to cross. It was at that round-about going into LSL off of Buena Vista. Couldn't go as the car traffic was dense so the line behind me kept building. A guy about 3 or 4 carts back began to curse as he wanted things to move. My thought was "WOW!! So I should get killed so he can get wherever he felt he was more important to go??" People here need to dial it back. One day they might encounter someone who they can't intimidate!!

I would just ignore it. The guy was not cursing you really, or the traffic or anything else, he was just cursing his life.

[chicksinger]

Don't walk blindly period. Don't expect everyone to be paying attention, because they clearly don't and you should always expect things may go awry, but whenever you are walking and vehicles are present, of any sort, you ALWAYS walk against the traffic so you see who's coming and hopefully so do they.. and if you notice they're not looking at you, get out of the way, pronto! You don't want to walk with the traffic because they are coming up behind you and you can't see them or what they're doing or how fast they're coming so you have no control if they don't happen to see you or are unaware and you are definitely going down!

[manaboutown]

I will never forget the day decades ago in my 20s when I first realized some don’t get wiser as they get older. I was walking into Walgreens when an old man as nasty as can be was coming out. At that age and still hadn’t learned how to control his emotions. Reminded me of a two yo. I was shocked and definitely let down by this realization. I have since come to the conclusion that many never learn. I also learned that you never know how your actions will affect another. That man was probably too angry to even notice I was there. But he sure made a huge impression that has lasted a lifetime.

That kind of anger can be a sign of dementia.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

So I got 3 walkers coming towards me blocking the whole lane with some traffic coming. I come to stop in my lane. Somebody has to give. I either have move off path into grass or to opposite lane when clear. Or the walkers stop, have to fall in single file, or step off till congestion clears. It’s not always clear cut. Nobody should demand right of way but give way to stay safe. if they don’t that entitlement IMO.

I look at this from a "reality" perspective. If you stop, and they DON'T move over, then they'll have to climb over your golf cart in order to get past you. If you don't stop, and they DON'T move over, you'll run them over.

So it's really up to them to move over. There's no reason pedestrians NEED to walk three abreast on a two-lane MMP.

In my neighborhood we have neighbors who congregate in the middle of the road to chit-chat. It's a small road that doesn't get much traffic since it doesn't lead anywhere other than - into the neighborhood, and back out again. It's not a "thru-way."

When that happens, if I want to get past them with a vehicle I beep my horn and yell at them "get a job!" and we all laugh and they move out of the way. After I pass them they move right back into the middle of the road. I love my neighborhood!