Central Pkwy/Eastport

[margaretmattson]

Word has it, the Developer named the street near Eastport, Central Pkwy because when construction is complete, this area will now be the center of the Villages. If my calculations are correct, our population is going to explode approaching 1/2 million! A city possibly larger than Orlando or Tampa.

UPDATE: THANKS TO THOSE WHO HAVE CONFIRMED ON THIS THREAD THAT THIS IS NOT A RUMOR. WHEN YOU WANT THE TRUTH, JUST ASK TOTV! THANKS AGAIN! This information will help when I purchase a new home.

Here are my calculations. Population now 140,000. Multiply by two since Developer has stated Villages is going to double in size. A 280,OOO population.

But, this does not include the many outside developments in Lady Lake, Beaumont, or apartment buildings, townhouses, etc. It also does not include homes with children or multi-generational living.

Yikes! I can only imagine what traffic is going to be like in a few years. Overcrowded, everywhere? What do you think?

Some current populations for comparison:
Tampa: 395,276
Orlando: 312, 280
Miami: 452,952
Jacksonville: 954, 614

Please note: this is not a bash the south post. Population includes everyone. Please spare those remarks.

[MrChip72]

Word has it, the Developer named the street near Eastport, Central Pkwy because when construction is complete, this area will now be the center of the Villages.

Who has been saying this? I don't think even the Developer knows where they center will end up being.


If my calculations are correct, our population is going to explode to nearly 1/2 million! A city much larger than Orlando or Tampa.

Here are my calculations. Population now 140,000. Multiply by two since Developer has stated Villages is going to double in size. A 280,OOO population.

But, this does not include the outside developments like Beaumont, or apartment buildings, townhouses, etc. It also does not include homes with children or multi-generational living.

Yikes! I can only imagine what traffic is going to be like in a few years. Overcrowded, everywhere? What do you think?

Some current populations for comparison:
Tampa: 395,276
Orlando: 312, 280
Miami: 452,952
Jacksonville: 954, 614

Please note: this is not a bash the south post. Population includes everyone. Please spare those remarks.

You're not factoring "metro area" of these cities. All of these cities are much older than The Villages and the historic area of each is only counted in the population figures as they're all surrounded by suburbs in each direction. Tampa's metro area is 3.2 million. The Tampa Bay area had a larger population than the Villages has now 100 years ago (mid 1920's).

I think "central parkway" was just chose as descriptive name for that area in general. It's a parkway that goes up the center of that particular area.

[margaretmattson]

.[/QUOTE] Hopefully, you are correct about the naming of Central Pkwy and it is just another one of those rumors. I have heard it several times and am starting to believe it. A few people told me they read the Developer purchased enough land to build for 23 yrs. I have experienced the Villages population sweltering to 140,000 from a a few thousand. In my eyes, anything is possible. I have lived it! If there is land, they are going to build.

Funny, how things get in your head! This is why I am asking, want to hear from people who are "in the know". Anyone know how much available land the developer has purchased? And, if there is a significant amount of available land for other developments?

Note: Did not include the metro areas, I was explicitly talking about the cities themselves for comparison. Including metro areas like Fruitland park, Bellevue, Oxford, etc, makes the population numbers worse.

[Altavia]

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Here are my calculations. Population now 140,000. Multiply by two since Developer has stated Villages is going to double in size. A 280,OOO population.
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Assuming on average:

Construction rate is about 5,000 homes per year.

Occupancy is 1.7 people per home.

Population growth would be 8,500/yr

It will take about 16yrs to add 140,000 residents.

[Marathon Man]

Around here "word has it" is usually a good story and seldom accurate.

[asianthree]

I missed my pedicure appointment this month so have been up on the gossip of Central Parkway.

But unless You are family, one has no idea the inter work of the developer, until they choose, or if they choose to make something public.

So guessing is all this thread is.

[Bogie Shooter]

Around here "word has it" is usually a good story and seldom accurate.

Also, “I have heard it several times and am starting to believe it.”

[NoMo50]

Look at it this way: The Developer is now into their 4th generation building homes and amenities in The Villages. A safe assumption would be that as long as there is available land to develop, and the demand for new homes continues, they will continue to build and expand. I doubt most of us living here now will live to see the end of it.

[Michael 61]

I recently moved here with eyes “wide open”, knowing about the future development and growth - this actually played into my decision to move here - there is a vibrancy that comes with growth - so the place doesn’t feel like an “old folks home” and sedate like so many other 55+ communities throughout the US that I visited. I can’t wait for all the new restaurants / amenities / entertainment options that will come with Eastport, Middleton and beyond! I guess if I was wanting to live I’m a sleepy retirement hamlet, I would choose to live someplace else.

[Stu from NYC]

Assuming on average:

Construction rate is about 5,000 homes per year.

Occupancy is 1.7 people per home.

Population growth would be 8,500/yr

It will take about 16yrs to add 140,000 residents.

They will stop building when they run out of land that is available at the price they are willing to pay. We will all be long gone when that happens.

[JohnN]

It will take about 16yrs to add 140,000 residents.

16 years and I won't care

[Stu from NYC]

16 years and I won't care

The next generation living here will get to worry.

[VApeople]

Overcrowded, everywhere? What do you think?


We have been here for 7 years and we think things are better than ever. We enjoy all of the new amenities in the Southern Area, except for the wretched Sawgrass area.

[kansasr]

. Hopefully, you are correct about the naming of Central Pkwy and it is just another one of those rumors. I have heard it several times and am starting to believe it. A few people told me they read the Developer purchased enough land to build for 23 yrs. I have experienced the Villages population sweltering to 140,000 from a a few thousand. In my eyes, anything is possible. I have lived it! If there is land, they are going to build.

Funny, how things get in your head! This is why I am asking, want to hear from people who are "in the know". Anyone know how much available land the developer has purchased? And, if there is a significant amount of available land for other developments?

Note: Did not include the metro areas, I was explicitly talking about the cities themselves for comparison. Including metro areas like Fruitland park, Bellevue, Oxford, etc, makes the population numbers worse.[/QUOTE]

If you look at the map on The Villages web site it clearly outlines the land they currently own for development. If you look at the adjacent properties to all of this, there is no significant acreage available, mostly individual family lots. The only large adjacent acreage is about 3400 acres owned by First Berkshire in Lake County, west of the turnpike and south of CR 470. I would image they would want a hefty return on their investment here.

I would seem there is more than enough available land to keep building for quite some time.

[charlie1]

if you go to the Villages app and search homes, you can change the view to "MAP" This shows you the land where the developer is planning to build residences. There is a huge area still south of 470 that is owned by them. Almost down to Centerville. There has also been a couple of articles that the Villages has bought more land South but right now these purchases are not attached to the land owned without the purchase of the parcel in between. Based on the information available today, Central Parkway is probably aptly names.

[Normal]

Will we ever get 470 back without all those roundabouts etc? The sooner, the better.

[Stu from NYC]

if you go to the Villages app and search homes, you can change the view to "MAP" This shows you the land where the developer is planning to build residences. There is a huge area still south of 470 that is owned by them. Almost down to Centerville. There has also been a couple of articles that the Villages has bought more land South but right now these purchases are not attached to the land owned without the purchase of the parcel in between. Based on the information available today, Central Parkway is probably aptly names.

Someday Central Parkway will be considered to be in the northern section of the Villages

[Randall55]

Someday Central Parkway will be considered to be in the northern section of the VillagesMy wife and I just bought a home in Hawkins. Our realtor told us, in a few years, we will be located in the center of the Villages. We are looking forward to the changes. We love our new home!

[Stu from NYC]

My wife and I just bought a home in Hawkins. Our realtor told us, in a few years, we will be located in the center of the Villages. We are looking forward to the changes. We love our new home!

Welcome. Most of the changes are for the better, some though not quite as good.

[JoMar]

Will we ever get 460 back without all those roundabouts etc? The sooner, the better.

Agree, put in stop signs, lights and speed bumps....that will make people happy :rolleyes:

[Normal]

Agree, put in stop signs, lights and speed bumps....that will make people happy :rolleyes:

Or just make it the way it was before the developer decided how it should be. We had zero impediments to traffic, the speed limit was 60 and it was a 5 minute shot from the turnpike to 301.

[Stu from NYC]

Will we ever get 460 back without all those roundabouts etc? The sooner, the better.

Not likely.

[John Mayes]

Will we ever get 460 back without all those roundabouts etc? The sooner, the better.

Do you mean 470?

[Normal]

Do you mean 470?
Lol…yes 470

[Altavia]

Will we ever get 470 back without all those roundabouts etc? The sooner, the better.

Nope, four lane Central Parkway is a huge safety improvement over two lane 470.

[John Mayes]

Lol…yes 470

Thought so but I was looking for 460 on the map. LOL!!

[Normal]

Nope, four lane Central Parkway is a huge safety improvement over two lane 470.

Got it, so you think 470 was a huge safety problem and the Villages interpretation for their better good is more important than a straight road that has been there for 50 plus years for the rest of us.

[Bill14564]

Or just make it the way it was before the developer decided how it should be. We had zero impediments to traffic, the speed limit was 60 and it was a 5 minute shot from the turnpike to 301.

Got it, so you think 470 was a huge safety problem and the Villages interpretation for their better good is more important than a straight road that has been there for 50 plus years for the rest of us.

470 was not marked 60mph and even traveling that speed it would take more than five minutes to go the 7.5 miles from 301 to the Turnpike. Either that memory is wrong or there was just a bit of excessive speed along that road. I'm not going to bother trying to find accident reports to see how safe it was.

I think it probably was a safety problem when it went crossed empty fields. But those fields aren't all empty any longer. 470/Central Parkway now runs near or through Middleton, will be close to Eastport, and will be surrounded by new Villages soon. Things change.

[Normal]

470 was not marked 60mph and even traveling that speed it would take more than five minutes to go the 7.5 miles from 301 to the Turnpike. Either that memory is wrong or there was just a bit of excessive speed along that road. I'm not going to bother trying to find accident reports to see how safe it was.

I think it probably was a safety problem when it went crossed empty fields. But those fields aren't all empty any longer. 470/Central Parkway now runs near or through Middleton, will be close to Eastport, and will be surrounded by new Villages soon. Things change.

It would be moot to argue timing, I just wonder if it takes much longer than that with the “improvements”? I would measure to guess the travel time has at least doubled? But then The Developer was fairly successful in destroying most of the roadway with its trucks and self proclaimed diversions anyway.

[Marathon Man]

It would be moot to argue timing, I just wonder if it takes much longer than that with the “improvements”? I would measure to guess the travel time has at least doubled? But then The Developer was fairly successful in destroying most of the roadway with its trucks and self proclaimed diversions anyway.

So, from five minutes to ten minutes. Yep, quite an issue.

[JMintzer]

Will we ever get 470 back without all those roundabouts etc? The sooner, the better.

Not a chance. It's being changed permanently...

[Altavia]

Got it, so you think 470 was a huge safety problem and the Villages interpretation for their better good is more important than a straight road that has been there for 50 plus years for the rest of us.


Absolutely, 470 is a heavily traveled shoulderless rural 2 lane where many driving 70+.

Late passers often running people off the road with no shoulder.

Not unusual to be passed by someone doing 90+.

There were an average of three EMS/Fire respones a day. This has dropped to just a few a week.

Some incidents on the old design were serious/fatality centerline crossover accidents.

The difference in transit time from 470 at MBT to the Turnpike is less than 5 min at posted speed limit. And you can safely pass slow traffic since there are 4 Lanes.

Slow down and enjoy the ride.

[P A Paul]

To my knowledge, virtually everybody in TV is HERE by CHOICE. IF your CHOICE is to LEAVE, for whatever reason, you’ll PROFIT from your time here, and be replaced by someone who WANTS to be HERE.

[b0bd0herty]

During the rogue salesmen trial, Jennifer Parr said, under oath, that The Villages will double in size and that State Road 44 is now seen by the Morse family as the geographic center of the community.

[LadyDiva]

When property goes for sale anyone can purchase it, If the Villages don’t purchase it, someone else will and the building will continue. Nothing you or I can really do
about it, just grab your popcorn and sit back and relax and watch the show.

[margaretmattson]

During the rogue salesmen trial, Jennifer Parr said, under oath, that The Villages will double in size and that State Road 44 is now seen by the Morse family as the geographic center of the community.Thanks! I was hoping someone could fill me in completely..Now I know it is not a just a rumor. Like the last poster said, sit back, grab some popcorn and enjoy the show. I am looking forward to the many new amenities but not the traffic.(Guess we can't have everything)

[GizmoWhiskers]

It would be moot to argue timing, I just wonder if it takes much longer than that with the “improvements”? I would measure to guess the travel time has at least doubled? But then The Developer was fairly successful in destroying most of the roadway with its trucks and self proclaimed diversions anyway.
The fact that the Developer had the power to take 470, a main road for 18 wheelers to reach the turnpike from 75 traveling at 55 mph (which they never honored), and turn it into a 45 mph roundabout joy ride should explain everything regarding the well oiled machine called The Villages. That change alone showed pretty impressive clout. It will never go back to that old pretty road where cows roamed free in beautiful pastures and wild boars got hit.

[NotGolfer]

Well as others have asked.....how did you hear this? Coming on a social media site to ask your main question is like throwing sand into the wind. Rumors abound in this community and few are true. Someone said that only the developer knows the answer(s) you ask. Live here long enough and you might know that!!! Besides, I think many of us won't be here to experience what you fear. Someone once said the only thing to fear is fear itself!! Just take deep breathes and relax!

[Altavia]

The fact that the Developer had the power to take 470, a main road for 18 wheelers to reach the turnpike from 75 traveling at 55 mph (which they never honored), and turn it into a 45 mph roundabout joy ride should explain everything regarding the well oiled machine called The Villages. That change alone showed pretty impressive clout. It will never go back to that old pretty road where cows roamed free in beautiful pastures and wild boars got hit.

Lots of ranch land (that pays little if any in property taxes) in FL for the future McDonalds hamburgers to graze.

The county/state could have (should have) made 470 a 4 lane divided east/west 75/Turnpike connector road years before the Villages purchased the land.

301 is another example that's 10 years behind need.

Then there's the repaving of 44 with its miles of sidewalks to nowhere which seems to have come to a screeching halt.

[ehonour]

Rumors abound in this community and few are true.

Oh, oh, oh! Here's an opportunity to start a new one. I hear that (grin) the real center of The Villages was always intended to be Avenida Central. (After all, look at the name!) The developers are going to buy up both Spruce Creeks and Stonecrest and raze all the individual homes around them, expanding NORTH all the way to Jacksonville! Spread it around, folks, you saw it here first so it must be true.

[margaretmattson]

Well as others have asked.....how did you hear this? Coming on a social media site to ask your main question is like throwing sand into the wind. Rumors abound in this community and few are true. Someone said that only the developer knows the answer(s) you ask. Live here long enough and you might know that!!! Besides, I think many of us won't be here to experience what you fear. Someone once said the only thing to fear is fear itself!! Just take deep breathes and relax! It has been confirmed on this thread that it IS NOT a rumor. Jennifer Parr testified under oath in a trial that the the size of the Villages is going to double. Also, Some posters loaded maps of the land the developer has bought to show Central Pkwy will be the new center of the villages.

I am not fearful of this change. simply dreading the traffic. I wanted to seek the truth because I am planning on moving to the new area. Now, I am well-equipped with facts to make the best decision possible.

[kendi]

. Hopefully, you are correct about the naming of Central Pkwy and it is just another one of those rumors. I have heard it several times and am starting to believe it. A few people told me they read the Developer purchased enough land to build for 23 yrs. I have experienced the Villages population sweltering to 140,000 from a a few thousand. In my eyes, anything is possible. I have lived it! If there is land, they are going to build.

Funny, how things get in your head! This is why I am asking, want to hear from people who are "in the know". Anyone know how much available land the developer has purchased? And, if there is a significant amount of available land for other developments?

Note: Did not include the metro areas, I was explicitly talking about the cities themselves for comparison. Including metro areas like Fruitland park, Bellevue, Oxford, etc, makes the population numbers worse.[/QUOTE]

The map on TV website shows all the land they own.

[kendi]

. Hopefully, you are correct about the naming of Central Pkwy and it is just another one of those rumors. I have heard it several times and am starting to believe it. A few people told me they read the Developer purchased enough land to build for 23 yrs. I have experienced the Villages population sweltering to 140,000 from a a few thousand. In my eyes, anything is possible. I have lived it! If there is land, they are going to build.

Funny, how things get in your head! This is why I am asking, want to hear from people who are "in the know". Anyone know how much available land the developer has purchased? And, if there is a significant amount of available land for other developments?

Note: Did not include the metro areas, I was explicitly talking about the cities themselves for comparison. Including metro areas like Fruitland park, Bellevue, Oxford, etc, makes the population numbers worse.[/QUOTE]

The map on TV website shows the land they own.

[KenLee100]

We have been here for 7 years and we think things are better than ever. We enjoy all of the new amenities in the Southern Area, except for the wretched Sawgrass area.
That was harsh. Sawgrass was different on purpose. We happen to like it. If you don't, that's OK. There are other areas you can grace with your presence.
May you "Live long and prosper."

[jrref]

Word has it, the Developer named the street near Eastport, Central Pkwy because when construction is complete, this area will now be the center of the Villages. If my calculations are correct, our population is going to explode approaching 1/2 million! A city possibly larger than Orlando or Tampa.

UPDATE: THANKS TO THOSE WHO HAVE CONFIRMED ON THIS THREAD THAT THIS IS NOT A RUMOR. WHEN YOU WANT THE TRUTH, JUST ASK TOTV! THANKS AGAIN! This information will help when I purchase a new home.

Here are my calculations. Population now 140,000. Multiply by two since Developer has stated Villages is going to double in size. A 280,OOO population.

But, this does not include the many outside developments in Lady Lake, Beaumont, or apartment buildings, townhouses, etc. It also does not include homes with children or multi-generational living.

Yikes! I can only imagine what traffic is going to be like in a few years. Overcrowded, everywhere? What do you think?

Some current populations for comparison:
Tampa: 395,276
Orlando: 312, 280
Miami: 452,952
Jacksonville: 954, 614

Please note: this is not a bash the south post. Population includes everyone. Please spare those remarks.

I hope you are right that Central Pkw will be the center of the villages so all the traffic and crowds stay down there.

[Stu from NYC]

I hope you are right that Central Pkw will be the center of the villages so all the traffic and crowds stay down there.

It will be the center until down the road it is not.

[JWGifford]

If it wasn’t the current developer it would be someone else based on TV success.

[Michael 61]

When property goes for sale anyone can purchase it, If the Villages don’t purchase it, someone else will and the building will continue. Nothing you or I can really do
about it, just grab your popcorn and sit back and relax and watch the show.

Exactly - this land will get developed one way or another - I personally would rather that land come under the “control” and ownership of TV. The empty land between TV and Clermont will all be “gobbled up” and developed in the next decade, and we will become a far northern suburb of Greater Orlando. It’s inevitable. I’m excited for the future of TV.

[Altavia]

It has been confirmed on this thread that it IS NOT a rumor. Jennifer Parr testified under oath in a trial that the the size of the Villages is going to double. Also, Some posters loaded maps of the land the developer has bought to show Central Pkwy will be the new center of the villages.

I am not fearful of this change. simply dreading the traffic. I wanted to seek the truth because I am planning on moving to the new area. Now, I am well-equipped with facts to make the best decision possible.

Safe bet for sure.

With over 10,000 people retiring per day the development is sustainable and pumping over a billion dollars a year into the local economy.

This created continuous high paying skilled jobs for thousands of workers for over twenty years. It's not common to meet families that have multiple generations working in Villages construction all their lives.

The property tax base is also increasing over a billion dollars a year. Apparently enough last year that will result in a tax reduction this year.

Middleton with the schools is brilliant for many reasons and bringing a diverse demographic mix to the market. This will likely open new commercial opportunities. It will be interesting to watch and see if they continue family housing development.

[jwwbmw]

So many Villagers are flipping out over the fact that The Villages is growing and expanding. While it is not what it used to be, consider this… so many cities and communities across our country are facing the opposite problem. Their communities are dying. People are moving out, therefore businesses are shutting down, new business won’t come, property values have plummeted. They are scrambling in desperation to save what they have left. An expansion like The Villages would be their epiphany. It’s another way to look at our rapid expansion.

[Normal]

It does make you wonder when The Villages will be large enough for their first throughway. It’s certainly getting close in size and scope. I’m sure those whom it effect will raise Cain. But hey, you can’t have traffic glutting forever.

[Regorp]

Word has it, the Developer named the street near Eastport, Central Pkwy because when construction is complete, this area will now be the center of the Villages. If my calculations are correct, our population is going to explode approaching 1/2 million! A city possibly larger than Orlando or Tampa.

UPDATE: THANKS TO THOSE WHO HAVE CONFIRMED ON THIS THREAD THAT THIS IS NOT A RUMOR. WHEN YOU WANT THE TRUTH, JUST ASK TOTV! THANKS AGAIN! This information will help when I purchase a new home.

Here are my calculations. Population now 140,000. Multiply by two since Developer has stated Villages is going to double in size. A 280,OOO population.

But, this does not include the many outside developments in Lady Lake, Beaumont, or apartment buildings, townhouses, etc. It also does not include homes with children or multi-generational living.

Yikes! I can only imagine what traffic is going to be like in a few years. Overcrowded, everywhere? What do you think?

Some current populations for comparison:
Tampa: 395,276
Orlando: 312, 280
Miami: 452,952
Jacksonville: 954, 614

Please note: this is not a bash the south post. Population includes everyone. Please spare those remarks.

Central parkway goes right by Middleton where our son lives. There has been land cleared as far as the eye can see in every direction with Moultrie Creek and East Port just beginning. We live in a constantly changing amazing area here. Can't wait for what comes next.

[nmgirardot]

I believe Eastport, Central Lake, Torch Lake, Grand Traverse, Brownwood, Antrim, Atwood, etc are a nod to the area in Michigan where the family originates.

[terryw13]

I worked at one of the sales offices and saw a map of the land they have purchased to the south. It goes past Bushnell almost to Webster. They said it would allow them to build for another 25 years. Not a stretch to say Central Parkway could be the center of The Villages someday.

[Sandy and Ed]

Up north malls and large department stores are closing left and right due to th surge in shop by phone houses such as Amazon as well as less merchandise being stocked on store shelves in lieu of phone orders from websites. Wonder if this might eventually put a damper on some of the anchor stores anticipated in the villages present and future

[Michael 61]

Up north malls and large department stores are closing left and right due to th surge in shop by phone houses such as Amazon as well as less merchandise being stocked on store shelves in lieu of phone orders from websites. Wonder if this might eventually put a damper on some of the anchor stores anticipated in the villages present and future

Good point to ponder - and could be true, as many big box stores are rethinking their business models regarding building new stores. Personally, I would be OK if these stores do not make it south of 44. I don’t shop at any of them anyway (most shopping done on-line). I drive up to 441/27 and that traffic quagmire in Lady Lake as little as possible, because of all that traffic that comes with those strip malls and fast food outlets.

[Dantes]

Correct in your numbers so is the other persons City limits and metro are different The Villages is the Villages , Bigger In two years Fenny area will be the center my humble opinion

[Normal]

Up north malls and large department stores are closing left and right due to th surge in shop by phone houses such as Amazon as well as less merchandise being stocked on store shelves in lieu of phone orders from websites. Wonder if this might eventually put a damper on some of the anchor stores anticipated in the villages present and future

The eventual implosion of commercial real estate will hit investors and bankers the hardest. I know of a mall near Norwalk Connecticut that had Nordstrom’s for an anchor that is closing. It opened just 2 years ago.

My point, new or established, it just won’t matter. Unless you are dealing with food items or the discounted inventory environment, you likely will die on the commercial vine.

[mntlblok]

It does make you wonder when The Villages will be large enough for their first throughway. It’s certainly getting close in size and scope. I’m sure those whom it effect will raise Cain. But hey, you can’t have traffic glutting forever.

Whoa! An elevated N/S road! Bet it's been pondered!

[Jcicales]

The eventual implosion of commercial real estate will hit investors and bankers the hardest. I know of a mall near Norwalk Connecticut that had Nordstrom’s for an anchor that is closing. It opened just 2 years ago.

My point, new or established, it just won’t matter. Unless you are dealing with food items or the discounted inventory environment, you likely will die on the commercial vine.
I know that mall. I live in CT- it was empty tge two times I went. Couldn’t believe it was built.

[mntlblok]

The eventual implosion of commercial real estate will hit investors and bankers the hardest. I know of a mall near Norwalk Connecticut that had Nordstrom’s for an anchor that is closing. It opened just 2 years ago.

My point, new or established, it just won’t matter. Unless you are dealing with food items or the discounted inventory environment, you likely will die on the commercial vine.

That does seem to be a major concern with so much "work from home" happening. Wondering how much of it, if any, could be converted to residential.

[Normal]

That does seem to be a major concern with so much "work from home" happening. Wondering how much of it, if any, could be converted to residential.

Yes, I do think the work from home plan has saved businesses a lot of cash, but it sure has assisted the commercial slide as well. Businesses in The Villages will need to be service oriented like restaurants, grocery, with a touch of textiles and furniture?

The commercial building death could be slowed by residential conversion. Maybe a mall could make nice condos or a mini indoor The Villages up north?

[Michael 61]

Yes, I do think the work from home plan has saved businesses a lot of cash, but it sure has assisted the commercial slide as well. Businesses in The Villages will need to be service oriented like restaurants, grocery, with a touch of textiles and furniture?

The commercial building death could be slowed by residential conversion. Maybe a mall could make nice condos or a mini indoor The Villages up north?

In Colorado Springs, where I just moved from, they tore down an empty anchor store in the mall (an old Sears), and replaced it with apartments that connect to the existing mall. I think you will see this model played out across the country with other malls.

[JMintzer]

During the rogue salesmen trial, Jennifer Parr said, under oath, that The Villages will double in size and that State Road 44 is now seen by the Morse family as the geographic center of the community.


It has been confirmed on this thread that it IS NOT a rumor. Jennifer Parr testified under oath in a trial that the the size of the Villages is going to double. Also, Some posters loaded maps of the land the developer has bought to show Central Pkwy will be the new center of the villages.

I am not fearful of this change. simply dreading the traffic. I wanted to seek the truth because I am planning on moving to the new area. Now, I am well-equipped with facts to make the best decision possible.

So typical of ToTV... Two different people stating, AS FACT, two completely different things...

[JMintzer]

The map on TV website shows all the land they own.

Maybe... Or maybe not...

[JMintzer]

I believe Eastport, Central Lake, Torch Lake, Grand Traverse, Brownwood, Antrim, Atwood, etc are a nod to the area in Michigan where the family originates.

Correct...

[Villagesgal]

Moved here in 2001 with the hopes the Villages would continue to grow. There was no shopping here then, you had ti drive to Leesburg or Ocala. I love how big it's grown. Sure I miss the surrounding farmland and oak covered 2 lane 301, but all in all I love whatsavailable to us all here now and see it getting even better as we continue to grow. I was 46 when we retired early and moved here and am 68 now, so hopefully I'll be around for another 23 years or more to see it all grow. We live in an amazing place, not perfect, but amazing never the less.

[Pmgokey]

In one of her videos about 2-3 months ago, Jennifer Parr stated exactly that. I was flabbergasted that the villages would actually make that statement, but she did!!!!

[HoosierPa]

We have been here for 7 years and we think things are better than ever. We enjoy all of the new amenities in the Southern Area, except for the wretched Sawgrass area.

We love Sawgrass area !

[JeepsterGlenn]

Central Parkway and Middleton (middle town), hmmm

[Altavia]

So typical of ToTV... Two different people stating, AS FACT, two completely different things...

Huh?
Same person said:
"Now seen" vs "will be"
Which are two different points on time?

[Alib3636]

Also, “I have heard it several times and am starting to believe it.”

I did hear in a Villages video that Central Parkway will be the middle of the Villages someday , I would just need to search around to find the exact video.. 🤔

[jimjamuser]

Assuming on average:

Construction rate is about 5,000 homes per year.

Occupancy is 1.7 people per home.

Population growth would be 8,500/yr

It will take about 16yrs to add 140,000 residents.
There is a factor that could change those future predictions. The Gulf of Mexico and the Atlantic Ocean around Florida are at record temperatures. Also, most parts of the planet. Scientists predict increased HEAT around the earth for at least 8 years due to fossil fuel use and population increase.
........What will likely happen is that smart people will look at the fact that they can't live in Florida year around due to the summer heat, humidity, and hurricanes. Then, they will look to buy homes in Georgia, South and North Carolina. And they will find those places are probably less costly than Florida is right now.

[Stu from NYC]

Maybe... Or maybe not...

Why would anyone think that the Morse family has not bought land in other names than their own. Smart people that they are sure they buy land using shell companies.

Who knows how much land they really own? Only the shadow knows and he aint talking.

[JMintzer]

Huh?
Same person said:
"Now seen" vs "will be"
Which are two different points on time?

It was said at the same trial...

[JMintzer]

There is a factor that could change those future predictions. The Gulf of Mexico and the Atlantic Ocean around Florida are at record temperatures. Also, most parts of the planet. Scientists predict increased HEAT around the earth for at least 8 years due to fossil fuel use and population increase.
........What will likely happen is that smart people will look at the fact that they can't live in Florida year around due to the summer heat, humidity, and hurricanes. Then, they will look to buy homes in Georgia, South and North Carolina. And they will find those places are probably less costly than Florida is right now.

Never fails...

[JMintzer]

Why would anyone think that the Morse family has not bought land in other names than their own. Smart people that they are sure they buy land using shell companies.

Who knows how much land they really own? Only the shadow knows and he aint talking.

Well, the map shows all the property TV owns, right? That's what's being claimed...

Hence my reply...

[BlueStarAirlines]

I heard that its called Central Parkway because they are putting the new Katie Belle's, a Costco, and a Chik-fil-A right there. I haven't confirmed this part, but <insert your favorite restaurant> is coming to that same part of the parkway.

[margaretmattson]

I heard that its called Central Parkway because they are putting the new Katie Belle's, a Costco, and a Chik-fil-A right there. I haven't confirmed this part, but <insert your favorite restaurant> is coming to that same part of the parkway. That is where I was when I started this thread. Skeptical! Read through the entire thread and you will see it is not a rumor. Some posters attached maps, others spoke of a trial in which Jennifer Parr stated the size of the villages is going to double. Using this information, research it yourself. It is true!

[alaskagirl]

The original developer is from the Central Lake area in northern Michigan. The beautiful area includes Torch Lake, Eastport and located in Atrium County and near Traverse City, Michigan. I am from northern Michigan and therefore have been to these places. The developer used Michigan town, city, county and lake names throughout The Villages.

[margaretmattson]

The original developer is from the Central Lake area in northern Michigan. The beautiful area includes Torch Lake, Eastport and located in Atrium County and near Traverse City, Michigan. I am from northern Michigan and therefore have been to these places. The developer used Michigan town, city, county and lake names throughout The Villages. Nobody is disputing the names come from their hometown. The family has been using "family-related" names for years throughout development. This thread is about the amount of land the developer has purchased...enough to double the size of the Villages. This has been confirmed several times in this thread. Whether it is the reason they renamed the road Central Pkwy may be questionable. However, the development maps provided by a few posters on this thread reveal, without question, that Central Pkwy will be the in the middle of the Villages when the planned construction is complete. If the developer purchases more land, this will obviously change.

I looked up the history of Central Lake in Michigan. It got its name because it is located in the center of a chain of lakes. Not that far-fetched that the family knows this information and is using it the same way in the Villages.

[Papa_lecki]

There is a factor that could change those future predictions. The Gulf of Mexico and the Atlantic Ocean around Florida are at record temperatures. Also, most parts of the planet. Scientists predict increased HEAT around the earth for at least 8 years due to fossil fuel use and population increase.
........What will likely happen is that smart people will look at the fact that they can't live in Florida year around due to the summer heat, humidity, and hurricanes. Then, they will look to buy homes in Georgia, South and North Carolina. And they will find those places are probably less costly than Florida is right now.

OR - if we are lucky, the oceans will rise so much, that the villages will become ocean front.

[margaretmattson]

Well as others have asked.....how did you hear this? Coming on a social media site to ask your main question is like throwing sand into the wind. Rumors abound in this community and few are true. Someone said that only the developer knows the answer(s) you ask. Live here long enough and you might know that!!! Besides, I think many of us won't be here to experience what you fear. Someone once said the only thing to fear is fear itself!! Just take deep breathes and relax! I was hearing it over and over by many individuals I consider to be intelligent and not mere rumor spreaders. Good thing I did decide to throw sand into the wind. Turns out, the information is true.

Wasn't asking out of fear. Knowledge is power and I plan to use what I learned wisely when purchasing a newly constructed home. The lottery the salesmen use to convince you that you need to purchase a home quickly or lose out? Not exactly true! I now know the Developer has enough land purchased to build for 15+ more years. Going to take my time and wait for a home I truly love instead of acting on a FOMO sales tactic.

[MrChip72]

I was hearing it over and over by many individuals I consider to be intelligent and not mere rumor spreaders. Good thing I did decide to throw sand into the wind. Turns out, the information is true.

What the heck is the evidence you've used to conclude that the information is true?

It seems obvious to me that the developer is just going to keep expanding until it is no longer profitable to do so. They've clearly bought tons of land AFTER central parkway was planned and it's doubtful that they're just going to stop all of the sudden.

[Randall55]

What the heck is the evidence you've used to conclude that the information is true?

It seems obvious to me that the developer is just going to keep expanding until it is no longer profitable to do so. They've clearly bought tons of land AFTER central parkway was planned and it's doubtful that they're just going to stop all of the sudden. Why do posters keep asking for proof that the developer has already purchased enough land to double the size of the villages? Or, make stupid remarks about how gullible the OP is?

READ THE ENTIRE THREAD. There has been enough information provided in this thread that supports the OP. The map provided by a few posters clearly shows Eastport/Central Lake will be the center of the Villages once the developer's PLANNED construction is complete. There has been no mention of other land being purchased. If there is more land, it also supports the OP. The size of the Villages will be as big as the city of Tampa and Orlando. Or maybe even bigger.

Geez! There is another thread on this site that asks the question: Do you read the thread or just post? Obvious to me, some people just post.

[JMintzer]

Why do posters keep asking for proof that the developer has already purchased enough land to double the size of the villages? Or, make stupid remarks about how gullible the OP is?

READ THE ENTIRE THREAD. There has been enough information provided in this thread that supports the OP. The map provided by a few posters clearly shows Eastport/Central Lake will be the center of the Villages once the developer's PLANNED construction is complete. There has been no mention of other land being purchased. If there is more land, it also supports the OP. The size of the Villages will be as big as the city of Tampa and Orlando. Or maybe even bigger.

Geez! There is another thread on this site that asks the question: Do you read the thread or just post? Obvious to me, some people just post.

Except, if you actually look at said map, SR 44 in much closer to the geographical center...

[Stu from NYC]

Except, if you actually look at said map, SR 44 in much closer to the geographical center...

As most of us realize it is the geographical center only temporarily.

[JMintzer]

As most of us realize it is the geographical center only temporarily.

I'm only going by the map that some are stating is what compromises TV land holdings...

[Stu from NYC]

I'm only going by the map that some are stating is what compromises TV land holdings...

True but anyone living awhile who pays attention knows that the developer keeps certain things close to his chest. I cannot blame him for doing so

[Randall55]

Except, if you actually look at said map, SR 44 in much closer to the geographical center... Much better post than others who do not read the thread and simply post nonsense. East Port and SR. 44 will someday be the middle of the Vilages. Thanks for your insight. It will be interesting to see when the construction is complete. More amenities at what cost? Like some, concerned about the traffic.

[Altavia]

Much better post than others who do not read the thread and simply post nonsense. East Port and SR. 44 will someday be the middle of the Vilages. Thanks for your insight. It will be interesting to see when the construction is complete. More amenities at what cost? Like some, concerned about the traffic.

The regional road plan for Sumter County:

https://www.sumtercountyfl.gov/AgendaCenter/ViewFile/Item/18464?fileID=43890

[JMintzer]

True but anyone living awhile who pays attention knows that the developer keeps certain things close to his chest. I cannot blame him for doing so

I never said otherwise...

I specifically said "based on the map some are using..."

Anything is is pure speculation.

[JMintzer]

Much better post than others who do not read the thread and simply post nonsense. East Port and SR. 44 will someday be the middle of the Vilages. Thanks for your insight. It will be interesting to see when the construction is complete. More amenities at what cost? Like some, concerned about the traffic.

Except they're two different crossroads, several miles apart...

And the cost of the amenities? They are paid for with our amenity fees. Same as it ever was...

[Randall55]

Except they're two different crossroads, several miles apart...

And the cost of the amenities? They are paid for with our amenity fees. Same as it ever was... Was not speaking about the actual cost of the amenities. More homes, apartments, and commercial at what price is what I meant. Traffic is already bad at certain times during the day down here. 301 can be a nightmare. Several miles apart, same difference to me. Point is, the south will no longer be the south and the population is going to explode.

[Stu from NYC]

I never said otherwise...

I specifically said "based on the map some are using..."

Anything is is pure speculation.

Never thought you said otherwise but based on what I have learned while living here stand by what I said

[MrChip72]

The map provided by a few posters clearly shows Eastport/Central Lake will be the center of the Villages once the developer's PLANNED construction is complete.

The developer has never shared what their total planned construction is. They also bought new land 4 months ago even.

Central lake is named after Central lake in Western Michigan just as around 100 other things in TV have been named after other places in Western Michigan. BTW, Central lake in Michigan, is nowhere near the center of Michigan. It's just a name.

[VApeople]

Traffic is already bad at certain times during the day down here. 301 can be a nightmare.

If you bought a house that requires you to drive on 301 south of Wildwood, you have only yourself to blame.

South of Wildwood, 301 is a little meandering country road, just like it was in 1952 when my family and I traveled from Ohio to Fort Myers. However, thanks to The Villages, it will soon be a nice 4-lane highway, and you will probably be much happier.

[Randall55]

The developer has never shared what their total planned construction is. They also bought new land 4 months ago even.

Central lake is named after Central lake in Western Michigan just as around 100 other things in TV have been named after other places in Western Michigan. BTW, Central lake in Michigan, is nowhere near the center of Michigan. It's just a name. Not going to argue. If you do not believe the Developer has already purchased enough land to double the size of the Villages, that is your choice. Developer Buying more parcels of land 4 months ago supports the OP, it does not negate it. The present Villages south will no longer be the south and Eastport will be in the middle of the Villages. (Argue as you wish exactly how much in the middle, it doesn't matter.) The OP's main point was that the population of the Villages is going to explode.

Never said Central Lake was in the center of Michigan. I merely Looked up the history of Central Lake and found it is in the center of a chain of lakes. Hence the name. And, that is what I wrote in my post.

[Randall55]

Just received a PM that suggested I look at the Villages Continuing the Dream Videos- A Closer Look at Eastport.

In it Tracy Morse states: when we were renaming the roadway system, we realized we were in the middle of our property. Central Pkwy seemed appropriate. After renaming the highway, we followed through by naming the lake, Central Lake, after an area we grew up in while living in Michigan.

Straight from the horse's mouth. This is how Central Pkwy and Central Lake were named.

[margaretmattson]

Just received a PM that suggested I look at the Villages Continuing the Dream Videos- A Closer Look at Eastport.

In it Tracy Morse states: when we were renaming the roadway system, we realized we were in the middle of our property. Central Pkwy seemed appropriate. After renaming the highway, we followed through by naming the lake, Central Lake, after an area we grew up in while living in Michigan.

Straight from the horse's mouth. This is how Central Pkwy and Central Lake were named.
I watched the video. Interesting how the Morse family tied the names of the Pkwy and Lake together. I had no idea Eastport was named because it will be on the east side of the lake. And, that Eastport also happens to be a place in Michigan where they grew up. Nice tie-in by Tracy Morse!

From the description of Eastport by the Morse sisters, it sounds like the place is going to be spectacular. Looking forward to the indoor pickleball courts and the rock climbing wall. Knowing they have purchased quite a bit of land, I wonder what else they have in store. Can't wait!

[Stu from NYC]

Knowing they have purchased quite a bit of land, I wonder what else they have in store. Can't wait!

Statehood?

[Randall55]

I watched the video. Interesting how the Morse family tied the names of the Pkwy and Lake together. I had no idea Eastport was named because it will be on the east side of the lake. And, that Eastport also happens to be a place in Michigan where they grew up. Nice tie-in by Tracy Morse!

From the description of Eastport by the Morse sisters, it sounds like the place is going to be spectacular. Looking forward to the indoor pickleball courts and the rock climbing wall. Knowing they have purchased quite a bit of land, I wonder what else they have in store. Can't wait! The video certainly puts that why spread a rumor nonsense to rest.

[Randall55]

Statehood? Don't they have a flag? On their way!

[BlueStarAirlines]

If you bought a house that requires you to drive on 301 south of Wildwood, you have only yourself to blame.

However, thanks to The Villages, it will soon be a nice 4-lane highway, and you will probably be much happier.

301 is being widened is a great example of proactive road management. Its heavy, but not a complete standstill. If there is to be concerned about a road, look at those that need to use Powell Rd (CR 462) from 466A north. It goes from four lanes down to two. You'll have tons of churches and housing with no any road widening. The estimate is that it will be bumper to bumper throughout the day once all the development is done.

[VApeople]

If there is to be concerned about a road, look at those that need to use Powell Rd (CR 462) from 466A north. It goes from four lanes down to two. You'll have tons of churches and housing with no any road widening. The estimate is that it will be bumper to bumper throughout the day once all the development is done.

I completely agree!!

We live in Osceola Hills and we often drive to the Wildwood area. I think that a lot of people living in the new areas south of 44 pay city taxes to Wildwood, and the city is using the money for their own benefit.

Wildwood is approving new developments in the 'suburbs' along 44A and 301 and along Powell Road north of 466A, and I agree it is going to make traffic much worse along those roads.

Our personal solution? Avoid that area, but that will be heartbreaking for us. We have some Oakwood BBQ in our refrigerator and I plan to enjoy it right now!

[JMintzer]

I completely agree!!

We live in Osceola Hills and we often drive to the Wildwood area. I think that a lot of people living in the new areas south of 44 pay city taxes to Wildwood, and the city is using the money for their own benefit.

Wildwood is approving new developments in the 'suburbs' along 44A and 301 and along Powell Road north of 466A, and I agree it is going to make traffic much worse along those roads.

Our personal solution? Avoid that area, but that will be heartbreaking for us. We have some Oakwood BBQ in our refrigerator and I plan to enjoy it right now!

Just go the the one in Lady Lake on 441/27...

[Bilyclub]

301 is being widened is a great example of proactive road management. Its heavy, but not a complete standstill. If there is to be concerned about a road, look at those that need to use Powell Rd (CR 462) from 466A north. It goes from four lanes down to two. You'll have tons of churches and housing with no any road widening. The estimate is that it will be bumper to bumper throughout the day once all the development is done.

I completely agree!!

We live in Osceola Hills and we often drive to the Wildwood area. I think that a lot of people living in the new areas south of 44 pay city taxes to Wildwood, and the city is using the money for their own benefit.

Wildwood is approving new developments in the 'suburbs' along 44A and 301 and along Powell Road north of 466A, and I agree it is going to make traffic much worse along those roads.

Our personal solution? Avoid that area, but that will be heartbreaking for us. We have some Oakwood BBQ in our refrigerator and I plan to enjoy it right now!



It's not Powell Road North of 466A and it's not 462 South of 466A. Just to clarify things.